Re Kevin Annett ~ another conversation

[gripreaper]

Posted by onawah (here)
Well, if this was all orchestrated to create a lot of confusion in the alternative community, I'd say it's probably succeeding very well!

This will be a "stream of consciousness" diatribe based on energy I'm feeling, which may or may not be related to this thread.

First, let me say, anyone who was a lawyer and is now supposedly on the side of the opposition to the control matrix, gives me pause. I know I may have bias, but on a scale of ten, any lawyer who comes onto the scene has 8 red flags and two possible green ones. All ten must then be filled in with integrity and heart.

Alfred was a lawyer. Karen Hudes, for example, is a lawyer who came onto the scene almost out of nowhere and yet she suddenly was on every single alternative blog, internet radio show, and alternative news site in a matter of weeks. The reason I have such bias towards lawyers is because they are, or were, the gatekeepers for the banksters, the henchmen for the status quo.

I've just followed Rod Class and watched him challenge every aspect of the system based on their rules, and yet they ignored him, threatened him and forced him to enter a plea in order to avoid months of diesel therapy in the revolving door of the system. Rod Class has decided to terminate his talkshoe and his teaching, as I think it is just too much for him. He looks like he is getting old and in poor health as a result of being taken to the cleaners. His sentencing hearing is coming up any day now.

Paul Andrew Mitchell just spent a year incarcerated because he would not enter a plea, and he is genuine as the day is long and fully understands the system and how it works. He got out, and it would behoove anyone here to listen to his December 25th talkshoe with Angela Stark if you want the whole story.

Dean Clifford is still incarcerated as of November 2013 because he would not plea. They have run him around, done their psych evaluations, their psychotropic drugs, their solitary confinement, and their diesel therapy (moving you around from facility to facility). Dean is strong, but his blog has gone deftly silent.

Why do I say all this? Because there are gatekeepers. Because I see that there is controlled opposition, designed to control both sides of the dialectic, to create divisiveness, conflict and confusion in all manner of events, to keep us in the lower terrestrial discordant energies of fear and confusion. We are being fed copious amounts of information, and I see a change in the alternative news which did not exist ten years ago. The energy was pure and clean, but now it feels like there is more and more discordant energy all around us and that it is hard to discern what is true and who is an agent and who is not.

I don't know that much about Alfred or Annett. I've not been attracted to either of their initiatives or their energy. They could be sincere, or not, I do not know. What I do know, is that the controllers will do ANYTHING to keep us from focusing on the inner work of unity and awakening, the ability to stand in our own power and emanate the energy of change into the matrix of control and shift the outcome.

We can't do that if we are too busy with the latest story or the latest "tiff" between those who are supposed to be our advocates. There are gatekeepers who will do anything to keep us from the truth and they have stepped up their game and have gone full attack on the alt/media to discredit it, and any movement which might gain enough inertia to shift the status quo.

The game is on and in full swing. Let's not get sucked in.

[onawah]

What should we expect these two men to look and sound like, after all they've been through? Well-educated, articulate, well adjusted, content? They've been through hell, deprived of their human rights and denied basic needs from the time they were young children. To my eyes, they have a lot of dignity, and speak from the heart, which is admirable.
Webre is in his 80s, and obviously still working very hard indeed, doing stressful work that most wouldn't touch with a 10ft. pole. He may not always be right, but I think he's courageous for even trying to do what he is trying to do. Where is the proof he is living in a mansion? Last I heard, he and his wife were sharing digs with other couples, so they could make ends meet.
If Annett has close ties with Jesuits, as has been claimed, it could easily explain why he presents a favorable appearance. Jesuits are masters when it comes to persuasion, but that doesn't make them principled.

Posted by sigma6 (here)

Maybe Alfred got a phone call, or a promise of even more money than he somehow received this past year when he and his wife Gerri moved from a modest home to a $4,800 per month mansion in Vancouver. Or maybe it’s true that Alfred, whose stutter, glassy eyes and inability to write very coherently despite his doctoral degrees is not the behaviour of a stable guy, has in fact undergone some sort of mind control or trauma based alteration, as some have suggested.

you can't make that kind of money doing hokey interviews on the internet, ok some of them are good, and I have enjoyed listening to a handful, I can't deny, and I want to believe in Alfred, he reminds me of a bit of an underdog...

And speaking of hoaky... these guys look like I could convince them with enough booze and smokes to claim they were the ones responsible for making all the crops circles...

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kCkA8Op0-ek

I still don't understand the full nature of Kevin's legal process, and I haven't seen anyone come forward with a definitive analysis, but I don't feel there is any inherent flaw in his logic either... I just haven't had the time, or means to figure out how to approach it... and I am not even sure if he actually goes into the detail of his strategy, or would be willing to (good question)... and it takes an effort to learn any process, because you have to learn the context, rationale, historical precedent, procedures, etc... and I would very much love to study his process... absolutely...

Right now I'm going with my gut, and that is simple. If I have to choose between Lambert and these two guys in the YouTube above... or Annett, then I'm sticking with Annett into the foreseeable future.

He speaks plainly, with consistency, he doesn't beat you over the head with biblical diatribe, or try to emotionally blackmail you with fiery sermons, that play on your guilt and fears, but wisely quotes simple truisms... I respect that... I do get the impression he is a man of principled convictions...

Alfred Webre... does seem to have health issues, maybe he is getting older... what if he was threatened? His interviews were one of the biggest boosts to Kevin Annett's message... it was a promising platform, a stepping stone between conspiracy and legal understanding... (or at least that was what I was expecting from Webre, which WAS surprisingly absent....???) So he is looking old, and what if someone offered him his TWO BIG choices?... just like Benjamin Fulford... can you blame him? he knows he wouldn't survive an attack,

If they put the magic marker on his 'Mr. Magoo' forehead, he definitely wouldn't survive for very long... and if he died of "congestive heart failure" honestly, If I posted it here on this site, that it was a conspiracy, and he was "knocked off". How many on this site, would attack it, snub it, deny it, ignore it??? Especially at his age and in his condition?... What if Alfred was made to know and understand this too?...

And if this is true, it would add a lot to the picture... and I don't think Alfred is all bad, but he looks like he is susceptible to temptation, and I could certainly see him crumbling under a direct and immediate threat... Kevin not so much...

So maybe he chose to live, instead of become another statistic, and now he has to stab a friend and ally in the back... I don't know... as much as I always want to believe in Webre, and his occasional half decent interviews... I can never wrap my head around everything he does... there's always a fringe of ambiguity... a disbelief in some of the things he says and does in interviews... $4800 a month mansion in Vancouver??... did he just luck into an inheritance?... is he trying to tell us something? that he can't tell us directly? He could have just quietly banked the money... and no one would be the wiser... maybe that good side of him is still trying to say something...

[BMJ]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
What I do know, is that the controllers will do ANYTHING to keep us from focusing on the inner work of unity and awakening, the ability to stand in our own power and emanate the energy of change into the matrix of control and shift the outcome.

We can't do that if we are too busy with the latest story or the latest "tiff" between those who are supposed to be our advocates. There are gatekeepers who will do anything to keep us from the truth and they have stepped up their game and have gone full attack on the alt/media to discredit it, and any movement which might gain enough inertia to shift the status quo.

The game is on and in full swing. Let's not get sucked in.

You hit the nail on the head Gripreaper.

[sigma6]

The Black Pope, posing as the white Pope?
Taking the helm at a time when they are being besieged from all sides?...
The Grand Master, watch and learn from his example, learned in the art of deception

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_Pmap6upWFo

Although this guy blathers a lot (this "call" has certainly played on his ego)
he gets into some explanation just before 14:00 min, I like that it supports my belief Google can and will suppress statistics on YouTube at will, at the behest of special interests

Either that or this guy is an egocentric and diabolically clever liar... (can never rule anything out these days) What's that saying...? All is fair in love and war... (marketing sales and PR) O.o?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RaKEFZasI0A

Sympathy For The Devil
Please allow me to introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul and faith
And I was 'round when Jesus Christ
Had his moment of doubt and pain
Made damn sure that Pilate
Washed his hands and sealed his fate
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game
I stuck around St. Petersburg
When I saw it was a time for a change
Killed the czar and his ministers
Anastasia screamed in vain
I rode a tank
Held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged
And the bodies stank
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guess my name, oh yeah
Ah, what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah
I watched with glee
While your kings and queens
Fought for ten decades
For the gods they made
I shouted out,
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all
It was you and me
Let me please introduce myself
I'm a man of wealth and taste
And I laid traps for troubadours
Who get killed before they reached Bombay
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, oh yeah, get down, baby
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, oh yeah
But what's confusing you
Is just the nature of my game
Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
Cause I'm in need of some restraint
So if you meet me
Have some courtesy
Have some sympathy, and some taste
Use all your well-learned politesse
Or I'll lay your soul to waste, um yeah
Pleased to meet you
Hope you guessed my name, um yeah
But what's puzzling you
Is the nature of my game, um mean it, get down
Woo, who
Oh yeah, get on down
Oh yeah
Oh yeah!
Tell me baby, what's my name
Tell me honey, can ya guess my name
Tell me baby, what's my name
I tell you one time, you're to blame
Ooo, who
Ooo, who
Ooo, who
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Oh, yeah
What's me name
Tell me, baby, what's my name
Tell me, sweetie, what's my name
Ooo, who, who
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Ooo, who, who
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Ooo, who, who
Oh, yeah

[sigma6]

Posted by ulli (here)
It's really heavy stuff, and all about the power of decreeing desired reality.
My wish is that Alfred can rise to the realization that even if Kevin's "court" is not quite one that can be compared to worldly courts, it nevertheless is quite capable of dishing out justice for the innocent.
And what are the greatest needs of this planet right now if not fairness and justice for all, especially the young and innocent.
There has to be a way this can all be resolved without major friction.

Excellent, well said, reality supersedes the limitations of human perception, I never intended to get into ITTCS or whatever, I don't trust institutions at all, they are necessary evils at best... but I am opening myself to being a devil's advocate of my own well stated earlier position... Alfred's explanation is not completely convincing, there were a couple of points that seemed too incredible, but I get the impression he believes what he is saying...

For example being told that Annett was using him because he believed him to be a Vatican Agent and that he was just using him...!!!??? Even if Annett actually believed this... why on earth would he actually say such a thing so plainly and overtly!!?? If he is the mastermind they claim, why on God's earth would he make such a proclamation like that to ANYONE!?... And isn't Alfred being a little naive accepting something like this, not even considering other possibilities? I like harping on this particular criticism because I see a logical flaw in the whole suggestion... it is inherently inconsistent, suspect, at the very least.

Whoever provided that info, was compromised somehow... and a couple other blatant 'illogicalities' gives me the impression there is something else at work here... I am now less sure of my previous assertion (Pro Annett) https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post929257 , after listening to Alfred's side... this clearly needs more research... and getting complicated very fast... I'd like to verify Alfred's claims... both of their claims against each other... Alfred is making a hell of a lot of (scathing I might add) claims, this should be good material to research...

[Mark]

It is not just Webre. There are many who have experienced Annett's particular brand of dysfunction. They cannot be ignored, nor can his actions and lies.

[sigma6]

Posted by Rahkyt (here)
It is not just Webre. There are many who have experienced Annett's particular brand of dysfunction. They cannot be ignored, nor can his actions and lies.

On the other hand... I could potentially see Alfred slipping beneath the radar, again Kevin not so much...(because his message is too in your face) but I have never focused on the background of either... just their main messages... and what exactly would be Annett's evil intention in bringing much needed attention to the plight of severely abused children??? That's what I find so odd... (picking up chicks! O.o?)

Also I've also stated previously I am not 100% against people manipulating media to get their message out... sometimes it's just a pragmatic necessity, and in this context the 'media' is just a "messenger" and the single individual using the very system against the original manipulators who have access to unlimited funds (our tax money) we don't always live in a world of perfect absolutes, and I am starting to feel that karma, may be more subtle and complex then I imagine most people conceive it to be...

re: Alfred... I know I have watched a few of his interviews, and they held no interest whatsoever, weren't even worth critiquing, so it just slips by... out of sight, out of mind... that can almost be a strategy in and of itself... The strategy of the mediocre... against the ego of the more inclined... and so it goes... Can someone dig up something on Annett, that goes beyond hearsay?... I'd be more than willing to look at it... this looks like it's going to get messy...

[Mark]

Read back through the thread, there are a number of videos that contain direct evidence of Annett's excesses. The evidence goes back years. The testimony of the purported "jury" who never knew they were, the native american and 1st nation peoples who have testified as to his forked-tonguedness, there are others. His penchant for going on the attack when accused instead of addressing the issue directly can also be pointed to. I have personally known individuals who have been traumatically affected by Kevin, subjected to intense attacks on character and, even, on life itself.

So I guess I'm biased.

[sigma6]

Wow, this is an interesting video and it DIRECTLY speaks to Alfred's accusations, and to me it sounds VERY reasonable... it made lot of sense to me. Kevin has to attract negative blow-back from the institutions. He is implicating the RCMP in the deaths of Indian women at the Picton Pig Farm. HELLO!!! His interviews with Alfred were the biggest breakthrough in the media as I suspected.

I for one, have absolutely no problem believing that. And I did know someone who had direct contact with the RCMP (she said they were dirty "double crossers") There is no way someone can believe the Picton Pig Farmer got away with that many murders without a network of criminal support. The diabolical efficiency of it speaks that he was only the "garbage man" (to have his 'way' and then dispose of the bodies...) His interviews don't show high intelligence AT ALL. The way it was investigated by the RCMP was a joke. The prejudice against native woman is beyond comprehension, makes absolutely NO SENSE whatsoever, given the sheer number of murders... and yet this is still going on, we read it in the media almost weekly!!! The Harper Government refuses to acknowledge it... This makes NO sense except that they are involved...

Obviously there is no denying the historical precedence, SOMEBODY is killing THOUSANDS OF NATIVE WOMEN AND CHILDREN, this can't be hidden. (like duhhh WHO killed them and took their land?... self explanatory)

And finally Alfred is taking down the YouTubes of the interviews with Kevin??????? That is the most damning. How can he justify his attacks by taking them down? Kevin makes NUMEROUS reference to them, and this could be proven/disproven if they were left up... Kevin makes another excellent point, if he had sex with a whore in a camera room, where is the YouTube????

ALFRED PRODUCE THE YOUTUBES!.... what have you got to hide?... That is TOTALLY HYPOCRITICAL to hide them (because "he doesn't know what's true and what's not"???) ESPECIALLY if they could be used to expose Kevin??... THEY ARE EVIDENCE... (as if Alfred doesn't know this???...) This is definitely controlling the media, and not allowing the people to be the judge... another HUGE minus for Alfred in my opinion.

This definitely leaned me toward Kevin, again I see him being incredibly reasonable, I don't sense any denial, avoidance, politicking, etc...

Kevin Annett's Responses to Alfred Webre's Accusations 12.24.14

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=R4Z6R9G6Wag

[Mark]

I understand. I'd want to be done with it too, if I was Alfred. It is never-ending. My friend, Lydia Hersloff-Whitecalf, finally had enough as well and wanted to put it all behind her and move on. She even deleted her page dedicated to exposing Kevin.

When dealing with psychopaths, the best thing to do is to cut off all contact and association. Individuals who may be of that orientation don't stop. Like the energizer bunny. Focusing on them just keeps them going. And going..and going.

[onawah]

if Annett is as bad as Rahkyt says he is, to the point of actually being dangerous, even life threatening (and I have no reason to doubt Rahkyt, do you?), then perhaps Webre is just feeling like he'd better protect himself from retaliation.
If Annett really is linked with the Jesuits, then he may have much more in the way of reinforcements at his disposal than Webre.
The whole point is, if the Vatican knew that eventually all this would come out and someone would be investigating it, then who better to do it than someone they have trained to work as their henchman?
Someone who would seem to be doing a good job, but would actually be much less effective in the long run than someone who was actually there to make a difference.
If that seems too convoluted, I suggest you remember those lyrics from the Rolling Stones song and make a study of some of the Jesuit's nefarious and very subtle double dealings over the centuries.

Posted by sigma6 (here)
What Kevin is doing has to attract negative blow-back from the institutions. After all, he is essentially implicating the RCMP in the deaths of Indian women at the Picton Pig Farm.

And I for one have absolutely no problem believing that. There is no way that someone can believe the Picton Pig Farmer could get away with this many murders without a network of higher level support. The diabolical efficiency of it speaks that he was only the "garbage man" to have his way and dispose of the bodies... His interviews don't show high intelligence at all. And the way this has been investigated by the RCMP and the government is a joke. The prejudice against native woman is beyond comprehension, and makes absolutely NO SENSE whatsoever, given the sheer number of murders... and yet this is still going on... And even the Canadian Government is dragging it's feet? This make absolutely no sense except that they are involved in it...

And finally Alfred is taking down the YouTubes of the interviews with Kevin??????? That is the most damning. How can he justify his attacks by taking them down? Kevin makes NUMEROUS reference to them, and this could be proven/disproven if they were left up... Kevin makes another excellent point, if he had sex with a whore in a camera room, where is the YouTube????

ALFRED PRODUCE THE YOUTUBES!.... what have you got to hide?... That is TOTALLY HYPOCRITICAL to hide them if they could be used to expose Kevin... THEY ARE EVIDENCE... (as if Alfred doesn't know this???...)

[sigma6]

Removing information, after going through a lot of effort to put it up, DOES NOT LOOK GOOD, to say the VERY LEAST... CALL OUT TO ALFRED: PUT THE YOUTUBE VIDEOS BACK UP!... That's a manipulation and a disgrace... and doesn't support his position AT ALL.

The whole point is, if the Vatican knew that eventually all this would come out and someone would be investigating it, then who better to do it than someone they have trained to work as their henchman?

What exactly is coming out? People putting up information, it blows up in their face and then they hide it, by removing it? is evidence Annett must be guilty? that doesn't hold logic, even on the face of it...

The idea that Annett is controlled opposition... again when people say this, consider what you're saying... the stuff Annett is saying couldn't possibly help the Vatican, or the RCMP, or the Canadian Government or Her Majesty in ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM...

How in the world would they want some guy repeatedly talking about not one or two... but THOUSANDS OF DEAD BODIES in cisterns, gutters, under buildings, buried in basements, being fed dead and alive to pigs... GENOCIDAL MASS MURDER... during peacetime... this is so politically explosive... if enough Canadians would get off their arses and even give a crap... but the controlled media plays this DOWN!! Controlled opposition doesn't operate like this... this does not add up...

Repeating stuff like this year in and year out... is helping the Vatican/RCMP/HMTQ, Canada, manipulate the public how again???



"Controversial" Videos of Kevin Annett that Alfred wants to suppress... O.o?
Kevin Annett Update 30 August 2014 800 Babies Buried In A Cistern

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=QU5B-pnz0Q4

Saskatchewan is a hellhole of prejudice, my sister just left an 80,000 a year job in Saskatchewan... I lose track of how many Indian girls are being raped and murdered in the news... the latest they even caught the two culprits (teens) AND she managed to survive after being left for dead... yet the coverage is MINIMAL... the prejudice is so rampant, its the kids, the parents, the schools, (and therefore the government...) There is NO justification for this...

Kevin Annett- Euro Police joins ITCCS to take down Satanic networks in Vatican, Monarchies, Cargill

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xEM6TqwURfY

[sigma6]

Collecting links (non Alfred Webre Links of Kevin/Alfred Interviews) before they are "disappeared" at which point people can make up all the stories they want if and when they are gone...

btw, it just hit me, would Alfred Webre previously being a "judge" (?) and a lawyer not be in an even more compromising position? If not at the very least equal to Kevin? What does he have to say about the Freemasons?? And Secret Societies of Police and Lawyers??? I don't exactly hear Alfred speak out about the hypocritical, secretive and occult nature of the Legal system... or have I missed these?

And yet who would be in a better position?... How easy would it be for "them" to put a little 'something extra' in his "pension" checks? And according to Annett he switched over in less than 24 HOURS with NO EFFORT to contact Annett? Which is completely NOT what a lawyer or judge would do, they understand this protocol better than anyone! ... I don't know... the more I look at this... I'm not even scratching the surface yet... O.o???

To think Kevin is doing all this just pick up women??... while creating a strategic and more favourable impression for the Vatican???... (you'd think there was an easier way to get laid! ...O.o?)

More "controversial" videos that we are unable to tell "what is true or what is false"?
And therefore they have to be taken down... (so we can never find out???)

Kevin Annett ITCCS Update 27 Oct 2014 - Canada's NDAA or "Track B"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=aaqjWeFwGCI

Kevin Annett back from Common Law Proceedings - May 2014 Update

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=FNMigsdy0a0

Kevin Annett Update (ICLCJ) 23 May 2014

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZUwTu2RD1Jg

[onawah]

I don't know what to say about Webre.
His work may be as much hit as it is miss, but he strikes me as being sincere, however much he may bungle things.
But Annett just creeps me out, and I go with my intuition more than anything else, because in the long run, that usually serves me best.
And it's just a theory, but the fact that Annett's courts have no actual power to accomplish anything that would bring the elite down would certainly make most people think he is just a crackpot, no matter how explosive the information is that he is conveying.
...Therefore casting all of that information into question in most people's eyes, as well.
To me, it seems possible this may just be another way in which the elite play their little game of sneakily revealing a little of what they are doing in such a way that very few actually detect all or even some of what it signifies.
...Apparently just because that is one of their "rules of the game" which, in their eyes, somehow justifies everything they do.
Take it or leave it, it's just my humble opinion...

[sigma6]

I just had to throw this in, these golden nuggets of movie clips, I love it when some similar minded soul, saw the same 'subtle' humour I did... and sure enough, when I search for it, someone has posted it...lol ;- )

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=p8UkRi34H8Y

Posted by onawah (here)
I don't know what to say about Webre.
His work may be as much hit as it is miss, but he strikes me as being sincere, however much he may bungle things.
But Annett just creeps me out, and I go with my intuition more than anything else, because in the long run, that usually serves me best.
And it's just a theory, but the fact that Annett's courts have no actual power to accomplish anything that would bring the elite down would certainly make most people think he is just a crackpot, no matter how explosive the information is that he is conveying.
...Therefore casting all of that information into question in most people's eyes, as well. To me, it seems possible this may just be another way in which the elite play their little game of sneakily revealing a little of what they are doing in such a way that very few actually detect all or even some of what it signifies.
...Apparently just because that is one of their "rules of the game" which, in their eyes, somehow justifies everything they do. Take it or leave it, it's just my humble opinion...

Humility is a virtue... but I have to "leave" your opinion. I agree, he speaks like he believes what he is saying, but when you combine that with his background and training and his personality in general, and some (certainly not all) the interviews he has conducted, (the fringe of the fringes) and try and square that with his "bungling" "Mr Magoo" persona, that presents a logical contrast doesn't it?... i.e. he can't be both, can he? And that didn't take that deep look to 'see' did it? Intuition counts, but its accuracy is a function of the life you have lived imo. Since it draws on the subconscious of the totality of your life's experiences, for example, someone who has accumulated a lifetime of self deluding experiences would have almost no intuitive ability at all, they would be a classic 'calamity Jane', their own worst enemy, and so on... it's a constant exercise, technically we are 'programming' it all the time... but the measure of it, will be the accuracy of the perceptions of the experiences one stores and their willingness to exercise trial and error and correct any mistakes, along the way... (... thus related to the concept of 'forgiveness' of self, and others, on another note...)

Your interpretation of Annett's legal process is just guessing and doesn't seem to correlate with the unprecedented earth shattering events happening all around us, the most salient currently being the Vatican for example. And considering that this is only what we know about. (have you imagined what we don't know?) Also I consider your wording 'self sabotaging programming' that we must all acknowledge (if we are to transcend it) i.e. I can understand and even sympathize, but the most scientific and accurate thing you could say, instead of variations of "there is nothing we can do..." could be; "I don't know if there is anything we can do..." instead for example. Even that would be one tiny step forward and count as progress... thus your following conclusion also comes into question...

At least I have gathered from your post that I am not the only one that sees Webre as, at the very least, ambiguous, if not almost 'not there', invisible, below the radar, etc (but maybe no longer...) And Annett may come off as a little 'creepy' on first impression (that doesn't exactly support the 'chic magnet' theory does it? ...given the context, what would you look like if you were living in a constant state of literal threats on your life? character assassins willing to take money, basically to stab you in the back, any way they can?... It certainly wouldn't be happy go lucky would it? Would you crumble? run and hide? go psychotic? become paranoid? Would you have a fearful countenance? whine and complain how life just isn't fair?... the only way, of course, to know for sure... is to EXPERIENCE it, to have to live through it...

Again I can only see consistency in Annett so far, a very serious demeanour, balanced with temperance. That used to be what they called a "strong character" or countenance. If you saw it in anyone today, I imagine it would look 'odd, out of place, maybe even a bit 'creepy' or 'alien' depending on where you are at in life. I am still open to more info, and will look into past threads, but if your post in any way represents the 'culmination' of all the info covered so far... I am already procrastinating... my 2¢

[onawah]

I don't even know where to begin in rebutting your circuitous reasoning sigma, and I'm not going to spend the time it would take, in any case, except to say a few things: that nowhere did I say "there's nothing we can do" or anything even close to that, and secondly, you have evaded Rahkyt's comments about Annett altogether, which I think is rather telling.
And I just want to add again that given Webre is in his 80s, I think it's kind of remarkable that he's doing anything like what he is doing at all.
And who said that Annett is a "chick magnet"?

[onawah]

Having reread Gripreaper's excellent post, I think perhaps that would have been the best place to end this "conversation".

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by onawah (here)
Well, if this was all orchestrated to create a lot of confusion in the alternative community, I'd say it's probably succeeding very well!

This will be a "stream of consciousness" diatribe based on energy I'm feeling, which may or may not be related to this thread.

First, let me say, anyone who was a lawyer and is now supposedly on the side of the opposition to the control matrix, gives me pause. I know I may have bias, but on a scale of ten, any lawyer who comes onto the scene has 8 red flags and two possible green ones. All ten must then be filled in with integrity and heart.

Alfred was a lawyer. Karen Hudes, for example, is a lawyer who came onto the scene almost out of nowhere and yet she suddenly was on every single alternative blog, internet radio show, and alternative news site in a matter of weeks. The reason I have such bias towards lawyers is because they are, or were, the gatekeepers for the banksters, the henchmen for the status quo.

I've just followed Rod Class and watched him challenge every aspect of the system based on their rules, and yet they ignored him, threatened him and forced him to enter a plea in order to avoid months of diesel therapy in the revolving door of the system. Rod Class has decided to terminate his talkshoe and his teaching, as I think it is just too much for him. He looks like he is getting old and in poor health as a result of being taken to the cleaners. His sentencing hearing is coming up any day now.

Paul Andrew Mitchell just spent a year incarcerated because he would not enter a plea, and he is genuine as the day is long and fully understands the system and how it works. He got out, and it would behoove anyone here to listen to his December 25th talkshoe with Angela Stark if you want the whole story.

Dean Clifford is still incarcerated as of November 2013 because he would not plea. They have run him around, done their psych evaluations, their psychotropic drugs, their solitary confinement, and their diesel therapy (moving you around from facility to facility). Dean is strong, but his blog has gone deftly silent.

Why do I say all this? Because there are gatekeepers. Because I see that there is controlled opposition, designed to control both sides of the dialectic, to create divisiveness, conflict and confusion in all manner of events, to keep us in the lower terrestrial discordant energies of fear and confusion. We are being fed copious amounts of information, and I see a change in the alternative news which did not exist ten years ago. The energy was pure and clean, but now it feels like there is more and more discordant energy all around us and that it is hard to discern what is true and who is an agent and who is not.

I don't know that much about Alfred or Annett. I've not been attracted to either of their initiatives or their energy. They could be sincere, or not, I do not know. What I do know, is that the controllers will do ANYTHING to keep us from focusing on the inner work of unity and awakening, the ability to stand in our own power and emanate the energy of change into the matrix of control and shift the outcome.

We can't do that if we are too busy with the latest story or the latest "tiff" between those who are supposed to be our advocates. There are gatekeepers who will do anything to keep us from the truth and they have stepped up their game and have gone full attack on the alt/media to discredit it, and any movement which might gain enough inertia to shift the status quo.

The game is on and in full swing. Let's not get sucked in.

[sigma6]

... "is rather telling?..." O.o??? I didn't put enough coverage or detail into my response???

the fact that Annett's courts have no actual power to accomplish anything

was paraphrasing, sorry if was being a little vague and ambiguous there...

Speaking of which, I thought I was disagreeing (in case that wasn't clear) I got from Rhakyt he knows people who have had bad experiences... and he also said to read some other posts, if I'm not mistaken.

I thought I clearly explained the "illogicality" of people who would remove information, posts, and/or YouTubes, especially if they are the ones trying to "EXPOSE" something... does that help you? is there something more specific?

Isn't Alfred's critical "accusation" about "hundreds of romantic secret relationships"? ... even caught having "sex with a woman" in a room apparently with cameras? (but no YouTube?) did I miss something?

Alfred is doing more damage then good... no one is denying his interviews were bringing a wide audience to Kevin's message... I started listening to Alfred again precisely because of these interviews...his now trying to hide the YouTubes is asinine and completely hypocritical either way... imo

[sigma6]

I don't see it exactly the same way...

I see a man trying to expose the most heinous, despicable, evil, unspeakable and horrific behaviour, the fact that the parties implicated hold high office makes it a moral imperative to do something, an emergency level immediate threat...

Then I see people injecting their own egos into this, out of their depth, trying to wish it away. (subconscious shutdown) If there is anything "telling" it is how they are saying the opposite of what they are doing. i.e. not helping but hindering.

I see one man maintaining pretty much the same consistency I've always seen.

I see another starting one direction, trying to pry clearly agreed upon private info, not getting it, then doing 180 degrees in a 24 hour period, and tearing down all his YouTube videos (vindictive and calculating) To me it looks the greater possibility, that Alfred would be the perfect agent, with the right connections and clear motive... (just take his accusation and reverse them... if you understand the strategy... Kevin's explanations specifically address Alfred accusations, and she literally quoted each accusation, and held nothing back, which was refreshing for a change, and his answers were reasonable and clarifying

btw, no one is forcing you to post...

[gripreaper]

Lets clear up some of the confusion then. Here is a piece on Webre claiming he is part of the controlled opposition used to usher in the antithesis of the New World Order known as the BRICS alliance.

http://redefininggod.com/2015/02/the...bremont-webre/

Not very endearing from my point of view. This counter intel is laid out in a previous article which has been discussed in Paul's excellent thread:

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...932#post924932

Be careful what you ask for and whose energy you endorse. The whole Common Law movement, aka: Annett, which is afoot also misses the mark. See the second video I linked to on the "Up at the Ranch" thread today.

So Webre v Annett is a discordant aberration, to which both energies are not in the context of solutions and unity.