Rich people have feelings too

[Violet]

You know.

Sometimes it seems that there's a witch hunt going on for people who are (materially) rich, especially in these days of shaky economies.

Their charity is mocked as is their participation in social debates about common people issues (I'm generalising).

I'm not rich in that manner, but I see it, and it's not fair.

The funny thing is, everyone wants to win the lottery, and then, all of a sudden, they're on the other side of the mirror.

[shadowstalker]

Posted by Violet (here)
You know.

Sometimes it seems that there's a witch hunt going on for people who are (materially) rich, especially in these days of shaky economies.

Their charity is mocked as is their participation in social debates about common people issues (I'm generalising).

I'm not rich in that manner, but I see it, and it's not fair.

The funny thing is, everyone wants to win the lottery, and then, all of a sudden, they're on the other side of the mirror.

Ya I have felt the same way, The Judgement is uncanny isn't it?
Till the shoe/show is on the other foot.

[grannyfranny100]

Well the rich can afford shrinks for their hurt feelings.

[lastlegs]

There have been many books about this written over the centuries. In most of them, the rich do not come out well. There is a reason for that.

Last year, Walmart, the largest employer in the United States, made 15 billion in PROFIT. If they paid 15.00 an hour to every employee; they would have made 12 billion in PROFIT.

Added on to 20 years of similar profit --how much is enough? They give .04% to charity.

Each store has at least one million in public subsidies. **** their feelings.

[Desire]

We are all rich if we want to see it.

[Dennis Leahy]

The further you look up the tiers of the pyramid of money and power, the more sociopathy you'll find. So, they may feel some emotions, such as feeling "frightened" that they might lose their fortunes, but among their feelings you won't find compassion for humans and non-human life forms. Someone who cannot feel compassion or remorse (part of the definition of a sociopath) may indeed feel feelings like joy with a stock market rally, but not the (in my opinion) most important feelings a human can possess.

I feel sorry for sociopaths. I cannot imaging the hollowness and emptiness of not feeling compassion. I feel sorry for them, but I also recognize they are the absolute worst choices of whom should be in charge of anything affecting life on Earth.

[Flash]

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
The further you look up the tiers of the pyramid of money and power, the more sociopathy you'll find. So, they may feel some emotions, such as feeling "frightened" that they might lose their fortunes, but among their feelings you won't find compassion for humans and non-human life forms. Someone who cannot feel compassion or remorse (part of the definition of a sociopath) may indeed feel feelings like joy with a stock market rally, but not the (in my opinion) most important feelings a human can possess.

I feel sorry for sociopaths. I cannot imaging the hollowness and emptiness of not feeling compassion. I feel sorry for them, but I also recognize they are the absolute worst choices of whom should be in charge of anything affecting life on Earth.

I am sorry Dennis but you feeling sorry for a sociopath does not do any good, nor bad, except maybe to yourself.

Why, because they are not aware of what they are missing, and frankly, they could not care less. If they were aware, some remnants of empathy would show up at times. Real psychopaths and sociopaths have no emotions, they have thrills, not emotions - they learn to imitate emotions so that they can live within our societies.

I have emotions for you, through compassion, because it is worthwile and transformative for both of us, but i do not waste my time on sociopaths anymore, in any ways. And I refuse to work for/with them.

[shadowstalker]

I don't believe that Violet was peaking about the elitists.
I do feel that she was speaking about your average rich person. Your average rich person is not an elitist.
And she is right, there is a witch hunt, and when there is a witch hunt, lines and definitions get very much blurred.
And when we blur the lines are we any better then the elitist that think the same about us sheeple?

Extremism doesn't get anybody anywhere, it just makes one look bad.

[Flash]

You are right Shadowstalker. Most rich people are not in the Elite. They are plainly just rich.

THe filthy filthy rich billionnaires are the ones and above these. Even your first billion may not put you in this category. Oprah is very rich, yet she seem to have some real empathy for people.

We are talking here of the governing oligarchy.

It is very very difficult to have some regular folks truly understand what really rich means. You car is the equivalent value of 1 cent to them. Your 500,000 $ house, 1.5 cents Worth in their overall Financial value. Their ways of seeing things is vastly different from the normal regular folks. And to get to that point, they had to think differently, and they had to breed differently to maintain this thinking (breeding within themselves). Their objective is the total increase in power for total control usually. They are utterly sick. You have to have seen them behaving, even from far, to start having a glimmer of how they may think.

I was talking about women marrying rich men (gold chasers) 2-3 times in their life to make up a pension Worth some millions. I was talking of regular richnesss, not the billionnaires. Guess what, the friend I was talking to told me "well, how do they get millions, through splitting the RRSP (401 in USA), retirement savings, they cannot make that much...." he was serious. I almost choked. And told him: no rich people invest in 401/RRSP, are you kidding me, these are for the poors investments.

He could not follow what I was talking about. Now, imagine how different life is for the billionnaires.

Violet is speaking, in my views, of the regular rich people. With no sense of how billions make you or how you have to be to get to have billions.

[Dennis Leahy]

Posted by shadowstalker (here)
I don't believe that Violet was peaking about the elitists.
I do feel that she was speaking about your average rich person. Your average rich person is not an elitist.
And she is right, there is a witch hunt, and when there is a witch hunt, lines and definitions get very much blurred.
And when we blur the lines are we any better then the elitist that think the same about us sheeple?

Extremism doesn't get anybody anywhere, it just makes one look bad.

Right, that's why I spoke about looking up the tiers of the pyramid. People like Russell Brand (who may have a few million dollars liquid, I don't know, and don't plan to research it) gets raked over the coals for being "rich" when he speaks out for social justice. I'm sure there are plenty of examples. (If one is reading this, they should contact Bill Ryan and donate a large chunk of cash to Avalon. ) But I doubt there are ANY examples as you look near the top of the pyramid.

[A Voice from the Mountains]

The rich have feelings?

Like what, feeling like scamming more money from people?

If somebody has a few million dollars, that's one thing. If they have to make fake charities to hide their billions from the tax collector, and then use those "charities" for pushing their personal agendas upon the world, that's a whole other can of worms.

[Wind]

I've been sick and poor nearly all my life, but I have wealth.

"Money is a way of measuring wealth but is not wealth in itself. A chest of gold coins or a fat wallet of bills is of no use whatsoever to a wrecked sailor alone on a raft. He needs real wealth, in the form of a fishing rod, a compass, an outboard motor with gas, and a female companion. But this ingrained and archaic confusion of money with wealth is now the main reason we are not going ahead full tilt with the development of our technological genius for the production of more than adequate food, clothing, housing, and utilities for every person on earth."

~ Alan Watts

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=c7tlaF3dv_M

[Agape]

It's not about it . It's either you are playing the game or not playing the game , if you are working for the system , struggle to be rich , or just keep you going , it matters not .. you are still part of the exchange trade .

You can do almost nothing but the moment you give touch any of these devices and services and money , you're part of the game , the exchange trade .

It may work well for you or not depending on how smart you are .. money is nothing .. it's a flow of energy , river that flows .. it depends on your intents and purposes whether it flows to you when you need it .

That may be true or not ... because you can always opt out , the other side of the mirror is not playing any such trade game ..

Oh i can imagine few souls will hate me for the post I mean well though ...

[shadowstalker]

Agape you are right. I agree with what you said, all of it. But I don't hate you or your post.

But it is another extreme that your average person is unable to play. (literally not feasible in this day and age)
The money exchange game has almost every corner of living.
Unless the elite exchangers plan on giving up zero point energy and the like. And we know they wont anytime to soon.

This would make a whole lot of sense if money was just made up yesterday, but the concept is 1000's of years old and embedded in the psyche.
Can we convince the elitist to let us grow our own gardens? and the like, no we can't.

Shoot I can't even convince my landlord to let us grow a garden in one of the main halls here.
That's just a small example.

And flow and intent does not work on another so called sovereign being.

It's hard put to get friends to understand, let alone a small group, let alone an entire world. Yes baby steps can be achieved and that will take a very long time no mater what your flow and intent is.

[Mini Flash]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
The further you look up the tiers of the pyramid of money and power, the more sociopathy you'll find. So, they may feel some emotions, such as feeling "frightened" that they might lose their fortunes, but among their feelings you won't find compassion for humans and non-human life forms. Someone who cannot feel compassion or remorse (part of the definition of a sociopath) may indeed feel feelings like joy with a stock market rally, but not the (in my opinion) most important feelings a human can possess.

I feel sorry for sociopaths. I cannot imaging the hollowness and emptiness of not feeling compassion. I feel sorry for them, but I also recognize they are the absolute worst choices of whom should be in charge of anything affecting life on Earth.

I am sorry Dennis but you feeling sorry for a sociopath does not do any good, nor bad, except maybe to yourself.

Why, because they are not aware of what they are missing, and frankly, they could not care less. If they were aware, some remnants of empathy would show up at times. Real psychopaths and sociopaths have no emotions, they have thrills, not emotions - they learn to imitate emotions so that they can live within our societies.

I have emotions for you, through compassion, because it is worthwile and transformative for both of us, but i do not waste my time on sociopaths anymore, in any ways. And I refuse to work for/with them.

I was thinking ''I completely agree with this person's opinion''.. then i realised it was you Flash! It doesn't suprise me that I have a similar opinion to yours

[Mini Flash]

I see plenty of people who have enourmous hate for ''rich'' people..
Indeed, there are more sociopaths in the ''rich world''. It is easy to be rich when you can make others work as slaves without feeling guilty.
I personally don't think you can be happy with your heart close. So if you are abusing others for materialistic reasons, you are already unhappy.
Imagine how unhappy you must be to decide to stop caring for others and rely on material that can easily disapear.
Who cares about rich people's feelings? I care.. Because they are living beings like us.. I am just sorry that they are trapped in fake happiness. If they would be happier, they probably wouldn't feel the need to have more material

[Tangri]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Dennis Leahy (here)
The further you look up the tiers of the pyramid of money and power, the more sociopathy you'll find. So, they may feel some emotions, such as feeling "frightened" that they might lose their fortunes, but among their feelings you won't find compassion for humans and non-human life forms. Someone who cannot feel compassion or remorse (part of the definition of a sociopath) may indeed feel feelings like joy with a stock market rally, but not the (in my opinion) most important feelings a human can possess.

I feel sorry for sociopaths. I cannot imaging the hollowness and emptiness of not feeling compassion. I feel sorry for them, but I also recognize they are the absolute worst choices of whom should be in charge of anything affecting life on Earth.

I am sorry Dennis but you feeling sorry for a sociopath does not do any good, nor bad, except maybe to yourself.

Why, because they are not aware of what they are missing, and frankly, they could not care less. If they were aware, some remnants of empathy would show up at times. Real psychopaths and sociopaths have no emotions, they have thrills, not emotions - they learn to imitate emotions so that they can live within our societies.

I have emotions for you, through compassion, because it is worthwile and transformative for both of us, but i do not waste my time on sociopaths anymore, in any ways. And I refuse to work for/with them.

Affluentia is on their help.

Affluentia- noun of state from affluentem .
Affluence
1. abundance of money, property, and other material goods; riches; wealth.
2.an abundant supply, as of thoughts or words; profusion.
3.a flowing to or toward; afflux.

I am going to propose this, as a new kind sickness for DSM V.

People who raised in with 3 private cities (city of London- Vatican, DC Washington)
feel that they are not broken any rule when they criminally act.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post771460

[Bill Ryan]

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Wow... so much of interest on and in this thread.

I live in Ecuador, on a farm in the Andes thousands of feet above sea level, and my neighbors are what would be called poor in North America or Europe.

One woman is a single mother with 6 children, and her home is what looks like a small mud-brick barn with no windows (not one). Yet she is always immaculately turned out, and is ALWAYS cheerful.

The moral of the story? To her — and many others here — I am the 'rich' one. Compared to them, I am (or seem like!) a multi-millionaire.

So think of this: everyone posting on this thread is 'rich' compared with probably at least a third of the world's population....

(And yes, you and I have feelings, for sure. )

[Bill Ryan]

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And here's a story for Mini Flash... (Hi there! )

It's a true story, too. I've never told it before.

I once was very privileged to spend a lot of time with a princess (a real one, from a royal family outside of Europe). This woman, who was a wonderful, spiritual person, was a secret Camelot follower — and the black sheep of her royal family.

She lived in an apartment in a five star hotel that cost $5,000 a night. She was extremely wealthy.

But she was also very lonely. She couldn't even go for a simple walk in the hotel grounds without being followed by two security guards everywhere she went. Friends — normal friends — were almost out of the question.

But she and I did become very good friends: the reason she liked me so much was that I absolutely refused to treat her like 'royalty'. I would tease her about her golden slippers (a joke we had), and make her laugh a lot. I treated her just like any other very nice person. She desperately wanted to be 'normal', with 'normal' friends, doing 'normal' things (like driving a car, taking a bus, going shopping, having coffee in a restaurant). But all that was completely impossible.

Did she have feelings? Absolutely. She was one of the most lovely, warm-hearted, sensitive people I've ever met. But it would have been easy for someone who didn't know her to imagine, just from her wealth and background, that she was haughty, arrogant, elitist, selfish... but she was absolutely none of those things. She was trapped like a bird in a golden cage... really. I learned a huge, huge amount from the time I was able to spend with her.

[Flash]

Posted by Mini Flash (here)
I see plenty of people who have enourmous hate for ''rich'' people..
Indeed, there are more sociopaths in the ''rich world''. It is easy to be rich when you can make others work as slaves without feeling guilty.
I personally don't think you can be happy with your heart close. So if you are abusing others for materialistic reasons, you are already unhappy.
Imagine how unhappy you must be to decide to stop caring for others and rely on material that can easily disapear.
Who cares about rich people's feelings? I care.. Because they are living beings like us.. I am just sorry that they are trapped in fake happiness. If they would be happier, they probably wouldn't feel the need to have more material

Well, here, I must admit, mom is impressed. You are showing whom you truly are. And about no grammatical mistakes.... in English, wow!! (I make many lol) - one cannot stop a mom being a mom!! sorry.

The problem with fake happiness is that, in my views, sociopaths do not know they aren't happy. They are not equipped to understand that happiness comes from the heart. Something is missing in them to understand this.

And of course, there is no guilt either, or compassion. Therefore, the only thing they know is materialistic gains and the thrill of power. This is how they build a shell around an emptiness.

When they decided to stop caring about others was not, in this actual lifetime of theirs, because they were unhappy, but rather because they are not mentally/emotionnally equiped to live true happiness. So they do not care for it.

My theory is that this was decided a long time ago, through their soul evolution. At one point, they decided to shut down their contact with themselves in order to survive or thrive in a materialistic/power way. And they now incarnate again and again in bodies that represent whom they have become through many incarnations.

I would add that those of them who are conscious of what they have done to themselves, aons ago, have somewhere some inner hidden jealousy or envy of the a bit dum folk, therefore wanting his demise.