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I wonder how O2 levels relate to the various solar cycles, contractions and expansions of the polar ice sheets, contraction and expansion of the worlds oceans and contraction and expansion of the inner and outer atmosphere and magnetosphere ? Naturally deforestation and reducing grasslands and cyanobacteria/phytoplankton (diatoms etc) and destabilizingthe world soils are major culprits but surely there are also natural cycles ? ;-) There are so many biochemical cycles related to oxygen production - looking at additive effects is only one small angle is it not ?Are dead zones really dead zones or zones where other non O2 metabolisms take place ?

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Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Earthlink (here)
On this one I'm going by the only lighthouse I know to be true, because I maintain it myself. I am going by an eye witness account on this one, and it is based entirely on that which I used to see with my own eyes and no longer see now with my own eyes, and that which I used to hear with my own ears and no longer hear now with my own ears.

And, pray tell, what did your eyes once see, but no longer see ?

Posted by Earthlink (here)
Words can not bring back the Butterflies.

Ah - you used to see butterflies, where now you see none?

Ok - that doesn't surprise me greatly, given the variety of toxins that we humans have been putting into the air, earth and water of late.

My analysis of how small was the change in the oxygen to nitrogen ratio at the Mauna Lao Observatory does not contradict your observations of an absence of butterflies.

Both could easily be true.

Thanks Paul for taking the time to analyse where the data is from and what it truly is. For me, here, discussion closed on O2 levels.
Lets get back to the real impacts of human actions, such as chemtrails and vaccines and free energy cover ups and satanism and.... we have enough of these to go forever.

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
The first is called electrolysis. That would be just dumping excess electricity, (which, all power production system make, since, big compressors and industrial electrical use have to turn on and off, the power must be there all the time, so, power plants have to over produce their loads, and, that surplus power is just grounded out now to a suitable ground) into water, and therefore creating vast amounts of both Oxygen and Hydrogen which can just be released into the air. The cost to do this is insignificant, and, insignificant to the purpose. Also, with the number of power grids we have globally, we could adjust the current deadly level up to a sustainable 21% in a calendar year or less, if, we all participated. There are power grid groups, and existing affiliations, all over the world who just deal in electrical production, so, it is well within reasonable limits.

Where does this information come from? (This is what happens when technical information gets misinterpreted and innocently repeated.)

Power companies don't 'over produce'. Why would they do that? They are there to make a profit! There is something called 'base load', the minimum requirements of a power grid and usually produced by coal and nuclear power plants run at maximum output and maximum efficiency 24/7. The peaks are filled in by gas and hydro plants (like the Welsh Dinorwig Plant) to provide a fast response to short-term rapid changes in power demand.

Perhaps I have misinterpreted your sentence about excess power being turned into oxygen and hydrogen by electrolysis. If this is done anywhere to uses excess power can you supply a reference? If you're suggesting it would be a good idea, it probably wouldn't be simply because the power needed to do it is greater that the power released by recombining the hydrogen and oxygen to make water. (There are plenty of schemes claiming this can be done efficiently, but strangely they never reach production. Funny that...)

General point about oxygen levels; since it's about 21 percent of the air and has been for millennia, it will take a long time for a significant drop. Nevertheless, burning fossil fuels and cutting down trees will inevitably lead to gradually falling levels.

I did a bit of Googling to see how long we'd manage if all natural oxygen generation stopped (mostly from forests and plankton), yet we continued industrially as we are now. Apparently that's a very complex question, but estimates are between 5,000 and 50,000 years before we all suffocated!

Nick

[Earthlink]

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)

Posted by PurpleLama (here)
The first is called electrolysis. That would be just dumping excess electricity, (which, all power production system make, since, big compressors and industrial electrical use have to turn on and off, the power must be there all the time, so, power plants have to over produce their loads, and, that surplus power is just grounded out now to a suitable ground) into water, and therefore creating vast amounts of both Oxygen and Hydrogen which can just be released into the air. The cost to do this is insignificant, and, insignificant to the purpose. Also, with the number of power grids we have globally, we could adjust the current deadly level up to a sustainable 21% in a calendar year or less, if, we all participated. There are power grid groups, and existing affiliations, all over the world who just deal in electrical production, so, it is well within reasonable limits.

Where does this information come from? (This is what happens when technical information gets misinterpreted and innocently repeated.)

Power companies don't 'over produce'. Why would they do that? They are there to make a profit! There is something called 'base load', the minimum requirements of a power grid and usually produced by coal and nuclear power plants run at maximum output and maximum efficiency 24/7. The peaks are filled in by gas and hydro plants (like the Welsh Dinorwig Plant) to provide a fast response to short-term rapid changes in power demand.

Perhaps I have misinterpreted your sentence about excess power being turned into oxygen and hydrogen by electrolysis. If this is done anywhere to uses excess power can you supply a reference? If you're suggesting it would be a good idea, it probably wouldn't be simply because the power needed to do it is greater that the power released by recombining the hydrogen and oxygen to make water. (There are plenty of schemes claiming this can be done efficiently, but strangely they never reach production. Funny that...)

General point about oxygen levels; since it's about 21 percent of the air and has been for millennia, it will take a long time for a significant drop. Nevertheless, burning fossil fuels and cutting down trees will inevitably lead to gradually falling levels.

I did a bit of Googling to see how long we'd manage if all natural oxygen generation stopped (mostly from forests and plankton), yet we continued industrially as we are now. Apparently that's a very complex question, but estimates are between 5,000 and 50,000 years before we all suffocated!

Nick

... a couple of things here: yes Nick, that article needs to be edited. You are correct, it is not the individual power plants per say that over produce, it is that only a percentage of what they are producing enters the grid. If my compressor in my garage turns on, what we do not want to see, on the grid, is the lights at my neighbours house dim every time my compressor turns on, and, the way the grid does this is that it always has up to 20% more power available than what is currently being used by the grid. Every night, for example, when it gets dark, all the street lights in all the cities are going to turn on, and since we can not effectively ramp up or down the generation of electricity to match these fluctuations, what the grid is set up to do is to always have more than it needs, so that when something else turns on, the power is already there. It is through a shunt, or a gate, that excess power is grounded out, since, it can't be stored without some battery banks or other such devices. There is a term referred to as "spinning reserve" and the grid always has this. It is built in to the grid, and, they all operate this way. (I am an electrical engineer)

also, I do not intend to turn water into Oxygen and Hydrogen just to turn it back into water again, I intend to turn water into Oxygen and Hydrogen and release the Oxygen into the atmosphere, to keep the remainder of all of the species inside The Animal Kingdom alive.

this isn't wishful fanciful thinking, this is a desperate action for survival.

sooo much dis-information ... sooo little time ...

if anyone wants to know the truth about the O2 level of our atmosphere, I strongly suggest you go to a book store and find books from the early 1900's up to the 1940's and see what they say. depending on what year the book was written, the O2 level will be presented in these books as either 24%, 23%, or 22%, depending on what year the book was writ, and if you find the results of the first time we measured it, it will tell you that it was roughly a quarter, or 25%, of the non-water gasses in the air.

finally, it isn't 21% now, and it has not been so for over a decade. right now it is very close to the point where Humans will begin to loose consciousness. high elevation places on Earth where people dwell, such as in Tibet and Peru, have seen increases in the rates of deaths by hypoxia, and these cases are coming down the mountain and affecting more and more people in lower elevations. the base camp at mount everest is moved down 3000 metres per year these days, as this is the point where one can go no further without an oxygen mask.

[Earthlink]

... and, mount everest is a good case study in this. in 1949 it is debatable whether sir edmund hillary used a mask or not to get to the top, the original account said he did not, and what this tells me is that in 1949 the livable portion of our atmosphere was somewhere beyond the top of the highest mountain on Earth. today, you can not get to within many thousands of metres from the top without an oxygen mask, and, this is lowering every.calendar.year.now

[Earthlink]

and do you know what else?!?!?! I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO GO LOOKING IN OLD TEXTBOOKS TO FIND OUT THE TRUTH OF SOMETHING!!! WHAT IS WRONG WITH US???

[Earthlink]

and i do know this: because of these campaigns of dis-information, campaigns of mis-information and campaigns of just stupid willy nilly pie in the sky bogus science and doctored scientific findings, most of the insect fish and bird populations here on Earth today: are gone!!!

[Nick Matkin]

From Eathlink: ...and, the way the grid does this is that it always has up to 20% more power available than what is currently being used by the grid. Every night, for example, when it gets dark, all the street lights in all the cities are going to turn on, and since we can not effectively ramp up or down the generation of electricity to match these fluctuations, what the grid is set up to do is to always have more than it needs, so that when something else turns on, the power is already there.

If you mean that 20 percent more than is needed is generated, well that's not the case in the UK! Transmission losses are only about 4 to 5 percent, but I don't think that's relevant here.

I'm looking at the total UK load now: 44.65 GW. Generated from coal 15.23 GW; nuclear 8.47 GW; gas turbines 12.3 GW; wind 3.6 GW, and the rest comes from Hydro, biomas, and reversible power links from France, Holland and Ireland. (I hope that's not a National Secret!)

It all adds up to the UK load of 44.65 GW right now, 1600 gmt, 12 Feb 2015. To the best of my knowledge, we don't 'ground' excess power here. If there is excess power it's sent overseas via our reversible links.

The whole point of some of the gas-powered and the Welsh Dinorwig plants is exactly to deliver power during sudden demands. The most common causes being during important televised national events (major sport for example) where six million 3kW kettles all get switched on at the end of the programme! These extra power plants can deliver this sudden demand in seconds.

I very much doubt the UK power grid network is better balanced that any other.

The death of Princess Diana illustrates an interesting aspect to this. The very widely observed two-minutes silence at 11am on 6 September on the day of her funeral nearly brought the UK power grind down. The power companies had made allowance for a drop in demand and were ready to temporarily remove generating capacity. This was not not necessarily to save money for just two minutes, but if the power generated is too great for the load, not only does the 50Hz mains frequency rise beyond the permitted limits, but networks start to trip off.

However, the drop in demand was severely underestimated, and an insider told me that the mains frequency rose to over 52Hz and parts of the network were on the verge of being automatically disconnected!

This is a good example of why we do not/cannot generate more than we need.

Nick

Edit:
PS: Earthlink, you say you are an electrical engineer...?

[giovonni]

Greeting's

i think (believe) your on to something that is most definitely occurring within earths atmosphere ... i have especially noticed this during the last 7 years (living in respectively the Midwest, East Coast, Southwest and now presently in the Pacific Northwest) ... i am (what is medically described as) a shallow breather who is more sensitive to these decreasing effects ... note those with respiratory aliments would probably also concur if consulted ... i have continually noticed a steady depletion of plant and wild life in the U.S. as well as a decline in the world's rainforest with little replenishment ... which i undoubtedly believe is related to the crazed raping of earth's natural resources by a few suspect nations .. fueling their economic growth appetites and producing ever increasing pollution to the global environment ... and last but not lest the continuous (criminal) chemical spraying by U. S. government contractors with no given official explanation and or end in sight ?

Of course just my personal observations and opinion folks ...

PS ~ i have countered (in the past) some of the side effects to my system by drinking this unique water ...
but it is now to expensive for my retired budget.

[Earthlink]

alas, it doesn't matter how big my heart is, the reality of life on Earth today in this climate of disinformation and purely speculative bogus science reports, only one thing will remain true for most people: never saw it coming, never knew what hit them.

what concerns me most of this is that all the fish insects and birds are in the same boat: never saw it coming, never knew what hit them.

why do I bother ...

[Earthlink]

... i do have a well developed sense of imagination and can and will entertain any thought at least once. you have to, to explore it.

well, has Mars recovered yet? did it "bounce back" after we trashed it, and then abandoned it, or did it in fact remain quite dead to us?

(i don't mean this to be taken seriously, it's just an exploration into the un-proven and unknown)

[giovonni]

Posted by Earthlink (here)
alas, it doesn't matter how big my heart is, the reality of life on Earth today in this climate of disinformation and purely speculative bogus science reports, only one thing will remain true for most people: never saw it coming, never knew what hit them.

what concerns me most of this is that all the fish insects and birds are in the same boat: never saw it coming, never knew what hit them.

why do I bother ...

You bother because you obviously care ...

and by caring you are allowing for the changes to come in the manifesting ...

i do believe nature will make the necessary adjustments in due time ...
all things must pass ... but life no doubt will always continue.

Blessings to those who care !

[Earthlink]

I agree completely Giovonni. Life will continue, of this I have no doubts, for, it is Life and only Life, which is what we can safely call "reverse entropy", that is responsible for everything in the known universe. would it not for Life, everything in the universe would have been cold and completely lifeless trillions of years ago.

it's just ... I don't want to be a tree in my next life. I went through that already, we all did.

I also know that in the grand scheme of things 250 million years is nothing to the timeless trillions of years that have already passed, and the trillions of years that are to come.

the thing is right now I am able to enjoy this Life, and all the evolutionary work that went into getting it to this stage, where we can, free of the earth itself, move around, dance, and build musical instruments. I'm happy here now, like this, and the only "fun" i see myself having as a tree in the future, would be if I was in a forest with all the "climate change deniers" and then spent a few thousand years at a time putting my branches up to block the sun from getting to them, and continuously drop my acorns at their base, so that my kids can grow up and mess with them too ...

and that's not very fun compared to what I have here now.

[giovonni]

i recall reading the book (Seth Speaks) years ago, and he spoke of the experience of living as a tree ...
as the most complex, exhilarating and fulfilling ever upon this planet ... bless the trees ...

note it is for water and the tree's that i moved out here to the Great Northwest five years ago ...

[Earthlink]

... i have to laugh to prevent myself from crying, so, over the next 250 million years, once you re-learn how to speak as a tree, likely the first message you'll receive from another tree, will be me, telling you to go mate with yourself. no insects = asexual species only!!!

everything we knew of male and female will disappear for a while, until it, in that lightning quick speed of evolution, returns.

fml

i haven't given up yet, however, the campaigns of disinformation have not either.

i honestly can not believe how stupid and trivial these debates have been and continue to be. it's like being in a pre-school sandbox, it really is, especially while the subject of these stupid and banal discussions is the very survival of all Life here!!!

just ... un-believeable ...

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Earthlink (here)
... and, mount everest is a good case study in this. in 1949 it is debatable whether sir edmund hillary used a mask or not to get to the top, the original account said he did not, and what this tells me is that in 1949 the livable portion of our atmosphere was somewhere beyond the top of the highest mountain on Earth. today, you can not get to within many thousands of metres from the top without an oxygen mask, and, this is lowering every.calendar.year.now

According to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Everest, the fastest climb to the summit of Mt Everest without use of oxygen occurred in 2007:

2007 – Fastest to reach the summit via the northeast ridge, without supplemental oxygen, by Christian Stangl, in 58 hours, 45 minutes

[Earthlink]

see? they're ceaseless. absolutely ceaseless, if one were to look up the stories of the corpses presently lining the trail to the summit, (it's not my job to carry them back down?!?!) or, the stats on the actual base camp, and it's frequent moves and current actual elevation, you'd realize that asserting something as ridiculous as doing so in the calendar year 2007 without an oxygen mask is beyond magical. it is! by saying this now, what one is attempting to do is erase decades of empirical evidence, you know, first hand written accounts, photographs, all of it. that is what that is ... and, they don't care. the more ridiculous an assertion, it seems, the more they like it!

[eaglespirit]

Earthlink, Good Day To You...

Your points are understood and taken!

May it be known that many of Us here at Avalon are quite aware and fully concerned and commune with Mother Nature daily so as to personally offset and spiritually mitigate these matters that anger You.

My prior post may seem like spiritual fluff, I assure You it is not...
the co-creation we can initiate is real...and an entrainment ensues from enough of Us doing the work, as more and more tune to the same concepts and actions and frequencies, we help the momentum of change vigorously...and it becomes more real than any scientific or historic print.

I have experienced it personally and it can be done globally...
with enough heart-centered active participants, yes, US, Together!!!

Most all of us have come from a place of rather extreme anger and disgust as to these mutant matters and then to contemplation and discern and introspect and then "personal spiritual action in real time in all day to day doings!"

Spirit Consciousness in Coordinated Concert Motion Makes Changes Happen!

The debilitation and diatribe and dis-empowerment as to the combined human races spiritual creative potency has had its day, time now of enhanced and elevated energy to help create that oxygen...help create that oxygen, with pure intent willfully!

This IS why we are here!