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    There is a civilization of Human beings who live on the moon.

    This is the BIGGEST and Best kept secret on Planet Earth.

    The nearside of the moon which is the side that faces earth appears to be desolate and unoccupied.

    The farside of the moon which also has a breathable atmospere also has lakes,rivers,forests,snow capped mountains and life as we know it here on earth.

    People generally believe that the moon has one sixth the gravity of the earth because they are told that the density of the moon is 3.3gr/cm3 and that the earths gravity is 5.5gr/cm3 and with those densities and the radius of the moon and the earth, the calculation is made:

    Fg=G x m1m2/r2

    The assumption that the density of the moon is 3.3gr/cm3 is based on:

    1)Earth density is 5.5gr/cm3 and the gravity of the moon is one sixth that of earth.
    2)Observations of asteroids and the earths polar axis
    3)Angular momentum
    4)Soil samples from the moon
    5)Keplers third Law
    6)Shockwave measurement

    In fact we have no idea what the density of the moon is and we are just assuming that the density is 3.3gr/cm3 because that is the only explanation apparent to us at this time. it seems to make sense.

    Just as we have no idea what the density of the earth is . We make educated guesses of 5.5gr/cm3 and we say "Well it has to be 5.5gr/cm3 because the moon is 3.3gr/cm3 and the moons gravity is one sixth that of the earth so there is no other option.

    Oh yes ,and the Cavendish experiment with 2 solid metal spheres. This experiment determined the gravitational constant in Newtons gravitational equation which was then used to determine the mass of the earth.

    And of course they hypothesize and inner and outer iron core of earth to make in density what they lack in actual evidence.

    So essentially we dont really know what the earths density is.

    There are 5 main theories for the existence of the moon in orbit around earth and they are:
    1)Capture from an independent orbit.
    2)Formation as a double planet
    3)Fission from a rapidly rotating earth.
    4)disintegration of incoming planetismals
    5)Earth impact by a mars sized planetismal.

    There is another theory that is not generally accepted but its occurrence is far more likely and that is that our moon was placed in orbit around our earth by a civilization very far advanced from our own.

    Our moon is in rotational lock around the earth.This means that only one face or one hemisphere of the moon, what we call the nearside ever faces earth.

    A contemporary and completely fallacious and bogus explanation by mainstream science for rotational lock is a fantsy force called "tidal locking", which has forced the moon, whatever its origin, into this rotational lock.

    Tidal locking was only proposed a few years ago to explain the moons rotational lock.

    In fact in my opinion, tidal locking has no scientific validity and those who defend it are only making up a theory to account for the unexplainable, which is what mainstream science is all about anyway.

    The scientific community claims that most all of the moons and satellites of the planets in the solar system are tidally locked with their mother planets. in my opinion that is not a fact.

    One of the earliest memories of man is that there was a time many thousands of years ago when there was no moon in the sky.

    Immanuel Velikovsky wrote that Democritus and Anaxagoras taught that there was a time when the earth was without a moon. Aristotle wrote that Arcadia in Greece, before being inhabited by the Hellenes had a population of Pelasgians and that these aborigines occupied the land already there" before there was a moon in the sky above the earth", for this reason they were called Proselenes.

    Apollonius Rhodius mentioned the time"when not all the orbs were yet in the heavens"before the Danai and the Deukalion races came into existence, and only the Arcadians lived of whom it is said that they dwelt on the mountains and fed on acorns before there was a moon.

    So there are several ideas of how the moon came into existence, Mine is that a largeship, towed from solar system to solar system with its prime mission to help jump start lesser advanced civilizations, spending many thousands and thousands of years in secret manipulations and stimulations, until that lesser civilization can continue on their own, then moving to another solar system.

    Whatever you decide the moon really is or where it came from or how it got her and placed itself into a rotationally locked orbit there are many strange things about our moon which are not easily explained.

    One is that its size, when viewed from earth is identical to the apparent size of the sun. Isaac Asimov says "There is no astronomical reason why the moon and the sun should fit so well" it is the sheerest of coincidences and only the earth is blessed in this fashion".

    Moon rocks were dated 5.3 billion years old approximately 700 million years older than the earth.

    The moons composition should conform to normal planetary formation with heavier elements in the core ond lighter elements at the surface, on the moon however elements like titainium are found on the surface in great quantity.

    Another oddity is that women of childbearing age menstruate once every complete cycle of the moon(27.3 days).

    Many scientists and astronomers in history have proposed and or believed that the moon has a breathable atmoshere and that there is a civilization, possibly of human like beings that live on the farside.

    In the 1950,s there were a number of men,derogatorily referred to as contactees that claimed to have been taken to the moon in flying saucers. They were shown magnificent cities with enormous buildings many strange structures and constructs,rivers,lakes,meadows,forests along with fantastic scenery much of it similar to earth.

    Two of these contactees were George Adamski & Howard Menger,who unbeknownst to the general public both became secret advisors to the pentagon.

    Howard claimed to have ridden on a train which was a strange vechile that had no wheels,rested in suspension about a foot above a copper highway which ribboned through the terrain and disappeared from view "he went on" we boarded the train and soon were gliding noiselessly above the highway. as we traveled we could see all around us and above us.

    Howard went on to describe the terrain some of the terrain in one section of the moon near the so called dark side reminded me of flagstaff, Arizona while other sections made me think of Nevada. Huge cliffs and mouyntains made our own look like ant hills. At one point we stopped long enough for your guide to open the door and permit us to stick our heads out for a brief moment which was all we could take for it was terribly hot outside like a blast furnace. he was certain no one could have lived outside very long and was glad when the door was shut.

    At the end of the 4 day tour menger said they were wined and dined along with many others who had taken the tour.

    Whatever the truth there is certainly photographic evidence by Russian Zond, Lunar orbiter and Apollo mission photos that clearly show buildings, mining operations ,and mining equipment , factories , domes ,cranesand in one case in the crater Aristarchus we can see what appears to be a huge 24mile diameter hexagonal dome shaped structure, emitting or surrounded by a strange blue glow.

    This blue glow has been described by one nuclear physicist as the Cherenkov effect which is the result of radiation coming in contact with molecules of air.
    Modern science has claimed the moon is airless, that although there is an atmosphere it is so minute it is virtually a vacuum.
    They back up this claim with the formula that the moon has only one sixth gravity of the earth and further claim that no breathable atmosphere could be held intact with that amount of gravity.

    They also point to the films of the apollo astronauts hopping and skipping across the lunar landscapes in apparent one sixth gravity.

    If one points out that these hops and skips are barely more than 12 inches high,18 inches at the most they tell you that the astronauts were wearing very heavy spacesuits and backpacks and that it was dangerous to take advantage of the minimum gravity to jump any higher.

    If a breathable atmosphere is suggested mainstream science counters that there is no occultation of a star passing behind the moon,thereby proving, they say, that there is no atmosphere

    If you propose that the atmosphere could be very,very clean with no dust or other particles and that the height of the atmosphere might not be thick enough to actually see an occultation they dismiss it with "what about all the scientific data from all the moon probes and apollo astronauts?"

    And therein lays the question of whether or not there is more than one sixth gravity and or a breathable atmosphere on the moon: WHO IS CORRECT?
    The contactees who say there is a civilization on the moon with some gravity and a breathable atmosphere or mainstream science with all their billions of dollars of scientific probes and the testimony of the apollo astronauts ,WHO,IT IS CLAIMED,WERE ACTUALLY THERE ?.

    One of those astronauts Buzz Aldrin had this to say about what it felt like to be on the moon: For christs sake i dont know , i just dont know. i have been frustrated since the day i left the moon by that question.

    Edgar Mitchell had this to say :Somehow i couldnt resurrect the feelings i had while there although my thoughts and actions were easily summoned.
    And Neil Armstrong has had little to say about being the first man on the moon. At the 25th anniversary of the Apollo 11 landing on the moon he commented "there are"breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truths protective layers, there are places to go beyond belief !

    Another puzzle in the mystery of the moon is the so called neutral point. The neutral point is that point in space,between the earth and the moon where the pull of the earths gravity is exactly equal to the gravity of the earth is equal pull of the moons gravity, hence neutral point.

    Mainstream science, up until a few years ago maintained that the nuetral point was 24,000 miles from the moon and that,according to the Bullialdus/Newton law of inverse square which states:

    Any physical quantity or strength is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them,specifically the gravatational attraction between two massive objects in additional to being directly proportional to the product of their masses,is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between them.

    The gravity on the moon would be one sixth that of earth.

    But there a few problems with that 24,000 figure.

    At a point 43,495 miles from the moon,lunar gravity exerted a force equal to the gravity of the earth, then some 200,000 miles distant - Werner von Braun(Time magazine,july25,1969)

    This is Eugene Cernans book " The last man on the moon" written with Don Davis. (Inbound to the moon) "It was saturday December 9 and we were in the moons firm hold about 38,000 miles out and drawing closer by the moment.

    This is Michael Collins book, Carryin the fire an astronauts journey -
    (Outbound from the moon)Houston reports the instant at which we leave the lunar sphere of influence . This means that despite the fact we are only 34,000 nautical miles(39,000statue miles) from the moon and still 174,000 miles from the earth/ the earths pull has become dominant and the mathematical equations now recognise that fact.

    Reginald Turnhill"The Moonlandings" (Inbound to the moon) Soon after that a new stage in manned space flight was achieved, like a ball thrown upwards the space craft had been gradually slowing down until its velocity was 2724mph and its position was 202825 miles from earth, and 38,900 miles from the moon.For the first time men had reached a point where the pull of earths gravity was less than that of another body. Now the pull of lunar gravity was greater and the crafts speed began to increase again as it fell towards the moon.

    No matter how many flip flopping,flap jacking earth moon sun spheres of influence paradigm shifting non rotating frames of reference you throw into the mix the fact is at some point the Apollo spacecraft left the dominant pull of earths gravity and was in the dominant pull of the moons gravity of left the dominant pull of the moons gravity and was in the dominant pull of earths gravity. THAT POINT IS THE NEUTRAL POINT !

    Now lets look at the POSSIBILITY,however far fetched it may seem and suppose that some INCREDIBLY ADVANCED CIVILIZATION wanted to monitor earth and its start upmankind,The dawn of civilization on earth.

    Lets suppose they built a huge spaceship in the form of the moon. They have designed it so that mankind will never have an inkling that they are being watched, nurtured and hepled along.

    The spaceship moon has one hemisphere an atmosphere, normal gravity lakes,mountains,rivers,meadows,forests,large cities in which the owners live and carry out their monitoring of earth.

    On the other hemisphere is a bleak,desolate,seemingly deserted land bereft of any apparent life, with thousands of craters, huge mares of unknown material and mountain ranges.

    They place spacecraft moon in orbit so that, at least for a while mankind, in their infinite ignorance will conclude:there can be no gravity,there can be no atmosphere,conclusion?

    NOBODY IS AT HOME !

    The mysterious watchers with technology advanced by hundreads of thousands of yearshas managed to create gravity which is normal on their side but less on the side seen by earth.

    They may accomplish this feat by locating a gravity b generator inside the moon slightly further from earth than the geocentric center. The gravity generator would cause a normal 1"g" gravity other farside .64"g"on the nearside.

    One of the mysteries of the moon is her mascons. Mascons are massive concentrations of gravity which affect the orbital paths of spacecraft flying over them,

    The known Mascons on the nearside are Imbrium,Serentatis,Crisium
    Nectarisand Humorum.

    Here is how they are oriented on the nearside of spaceship moon:

    Since this spaceship moon is not really a moon composed of dirt ,rock and iron core it cant maintain its distance from earth by normal gravitational attraction(its not dense enough)it has to maintain its distance from earth by other than the gravity generated by the gravity b generator.

    To maintain its distance from earth, The spaceship moon might use a gravity A wave generator which is not actually a generator as such, it is a machine that accesses and amplified the gravity a wave which can exert an enormous pull. SO ENOURMOUS in fact that it can hold the spaceship moon in orbit around the earth by using the gravity A wave which pulss it towards the earth or actually pulls the earth towards the moon.

    In 1856 , Peter Hansen, A much respected Danish mathematician and Astronomer proposed to the Royal astronomical society that the moon was not Spherical but ellipsodial with the longest axis directed towards the earth Based on the very slight discrepancy between the observed position of the moon and its position predicted by calculation he hypothesized the the moons center of gravity was not at its geometric centre but actually located at a point 59 kilometres farther from earth rather than the centre of the figure.

    His theory was that the hemisphere turned towards earth would be elevated above the average altitude of the moons surface and would therefore be sterile because any atmosphere would seek a lower altitude. But he proposed that the opposite hemisphere lower in altitude could have an atmosphere and it was not impossible that there existed vegetation and living things.

    All of us have been told,since we were old enough to listen that the moon is a desolate, airless colorless wasteland.

    The U.S. Goverment even spent 20 billion dollars on the Apollo program to make sure that we believed it so .They showed us movies of the apollo astronauts, wearing moon suits hopping around in what was said to be one sixth gravity of the earth.

    I once talked to a former Nasa psychologist who said her job was to work with the Apollo astronauts after their flight to the moon to help them deal with the fact that they could not tell the public what they really saw there. He said they talked of HUGE CONSTRUCTS.

    SO NASA HAS LIED TO US FOR ALMOST 50 YEARS ABOUT WHAT THEY KNOW ABOUT THE MOON "WHY"....WHY INDEED.

    The reality is the moon is an interesting place with most everything we have here on earth,gravity,breathable atmosphere,a civilization far more advanced than our own,forests,lakes,bridges,highways,huge structures the purpose of which we can only guess ....Thank you
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    If the far side of the moon has an atmosphere, why doesn't this cause a "glow" at the edge that we can see? And why doesn't the atmosphere leak over to the side that we can see?

    Quote (Mutchie) Two of these contactees were George Adamski & Howard Menger,who unbeknownst to the general public both became secret advisors to the pentagon.
    What evidence is there for this? I can find nothing relating to Adamski. On the other hand, Menger might have been used by the Pentagon, but for a different reason.

    Quote Later, in letters to investigators Jim Mosely and Gray Barker (publisher of From Outer Space to You), Menger described his book as 'fiction-fact' and implied that the Pentagon had given him the films of saucers and requested he participate in an experiment to test the public's reaction to extraterrestial contact.' He has helped us, therefore, to dismiss his entire story as not only a hoax, but a hoax perpetrated by the US Government,' wrote Keel.

    The Howard Menger Case - Part 5
    There seems considerable evidence that Adamski was a fraud:

    Quote There are three types of Adamski fans :

    1. the credulous ones who believe all what Adamski said, either in his books or in his lectures, without ever questioning it
    2. those who are afraid to recognize they could have been duped and who find it easier to believe than to deny
    3. those who know he was a liar and who say the contrary for various reasons that I leave to your imagination.

    Why I can say that Adamski was a Liar
    More on Adamski:
    UFO photos: Adamski scout ships

    George Adamski

    George Adamski (Wikipedia)

    This image taken from William Brian's 1982 book Moongate indicates that Menger's description was similar to that of Adamski's, as noted by John Lear (see Howard Menger - Extraterrestrials link below). However, it does not exclude the possibility that one of them might have copied the description from the other.



    Howard Menger - Extraterrestrials

    Howard Menger case illuminates Extraterrestrial infiltration of Earthbound human society

    Bizarre Moon Theories

    Howard Menger’s Final Journey

    Howard Menger Revisited

    Official Howard Menger Website

    My own position: Adamski's claims are fairly easy to debunk, Menger's less so. As for the Moon, there may well be hidden bases on the other side, but hardly forests and lakes as claimed.

    There are several other threads in Project Avalon relating to the Moon.

    The Hollow Moon?

    The moon is artificial indeed

    Far side of the moon revealed

    98% of Earths Oxygen gone! Moon put here by Anunnaki
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    Wow what a post Mutchie! Very interesting. I tend to go with the Artificial spaceship hypothesis backed up by hollow sounds and Glass construction.
    The fact that Nasa has being reluctant to return and the amount of image fakery as described by Hoagland demonstrates the cover up by the PTB. Thanks for your post. Rob

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    Thanks for your reply sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you - you Know everyone nowadays within the exopolitics circles goes on about disclosure and that is okay but when you talk of extraterrestials most folks are thinking of beings from another star system etc etc im thinking we should look right above us at the moon !

    Whether there is an atmosphere or not is an arguement that can swing to and fro all night but NO ONE can deny the HUGE STRUCTURES which are plain for all to see and the glass domes and everything else which has been photographed up there, I believe there is a base up there , John Lears living moon site has photos of what they think is a SPACE PORT AND CRAFTS !

    WHAT ANNOYS ME IS THAT WE ARE THE MINORITY SEEKING ANSWERS THE WHOLE HUMAN RACE SHOULD BE ASKING !

    and if they have the technology to lock in the moon in orbit around the earth they MAY have technology which would stagger the mind ....

    I noticed with GREAT INTEREST the other day Charles mentioning the technology on the moon which if they could pop into a capsule and bring back to earth -

    thats all well and good but im willing to bet we wont go back to moon "WHY" because its populated already and we have been told to stay away

    Why is America so Hell Bent on Weaponising space ? disclosure might SHOCK US ALL especially if we find et was above us right from the dawn of mankind.

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    Check out the video/s in this thread.

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    Thank you noprophet i like that name by the way lol

    I watched moon rising recently and found it to be very informative its good to see that the information is getting out to the masses but i feel it isnt happening fast enough sometimes -

    I mean if i come on avalon and talk to the average member they know most things but if its friends at work or people i know in general many of them have NO IDEA about the things which are
    happening like disclosure or say moon structures etc - infact many times im told im online to much i suppose im thankfull to have a site like this to turn to

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    Science fiction writers have always enjoyed speculating about life on the other planets and the moon holds a somewhat unique place in that it always shows us the same side, leading to a mysterious 'dark' side.

    This of course is nonsense as the far side gets just as much light from the sun as the rest of it but because we dont get to see it there is that added unknown factor that lends to the mystique.

    The far side has, however, been imaged in great detail although, again adding to the mystique, only a fraction of the photos have ever been made public.

    The photos show, unsurprisingly, much the same kind of barren, crater strewn landscapes as the side we do see.

    I would have to see some proper evidence before I was convinced that there are bases on the moon, and none of the pictures I have seen hawked around the internet purporting to show bases is what I would call proper evidence.

    Until then I consider it a product of the fear of the unknown.

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    Thank you for your reply i would suggest you go to http://thelivingmoon.com as it holds nearly every photo which has been made available by nasa
    and you will not believe the things they have found up there and its all on camera im talking citys , buildings ,mining strips , roads , mining equipment , statues , massive glass domes , pyramids ,
    and much much more it really does drive home the fact that either there was civilization there or there STILL IS TO THIS DAY .......

    I THINK THE LATTER IS THE TRUTH

    ps: i tried to put in some images of structures i have photos of but for what ever reason it would not work
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    Interesting post! The more we learn about the moon, the stranger it gets.

    I've always been fascinated by George Gurdjieff's assessment:

    "Everything living on the Earth, people, animals, plants, is food for the moon…. All movements, actions, and manifestations of people, animals, and plants depend upon the moon and are controlled by the moon…. The mechanical part of our life depends upon the moon, is subject to the moon. If we develop in ourselves consciousness and will, and subject our mechanical life and all our mechanical manifestations to them, we shall escape from the power of the moon."

    http://knol.google.com/k/gurdjieff-t...-organic-life#

    Here again we have the theme of predation. Humans as food for other beings.

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    John Lear & many others believe that there is a SOUL CATCHER on the moon "soul catcher pics on the living moon" They believe that when a human baby is born and it is known to be healthy & that it will survive it then has A SOUL placed within it and that the GOAL in life is to learn to live without envy , hate or greed and with as much integrity as possible they believe that when you die you are shown all the GOOD THINGS & ALL THE BAD THINGS which you did while you were alive " There is NO judgement " & then your memory is wiped clean and your soul awaits its turn to try again to live without envy, hate or greed . we are merely containers of souls some of us live hundreads of lives before we get it right & when we do they believe your soul is finally free to travel the universe & participate in many fantastic things !

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    Quote The case for the civilization on the moon

    There is a civilization of Human beings who live on the moon.

    This is the BIGGEST and Best kept secret on Planet Earth.

    The nearside of the moon which is the side that faces earth appears to be desolate and unoccupied.

    The farside of the moon which also has a breathable atmospere also has lakes,rivers,forests,snow capped mountains and life as we know it here on earth.

    People generally believe that the moon has one sixth the gravity of the earth because they are told that the density of the moon is 3.3gr/cm3 and that the earths gravity is 5.5gr/cm3 and with those densities and the radius of the moon and the earth, the calculation is made:
    This sounds like nonsense to me.

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    That is the beauty of a forum like Avalon EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO HIS/HER OWN OPINION & IF YOU FEEL THAT IT IS NONSENSE THEN FINE

    but please check out http://thelivingmoon.com at least there you will see certified pictures nasa has taken -

    Thank you.
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    I should have been more specific as to what parts I thought to be nonsense. These parts include:
    • a human civilization on the moon
    • a breathable atmosphere (on one side, but not the other, no less)
    • lakes,rivers,forests,and snow capped mountains
    • that we don't know the density of the moon (its orbit depends on its mass, its density depends on its size and mass, we can measure its orbit and its size, therefore we can calculate its average density.)
    I am willing to suppose that there may be human (or other sentient being) constructions on the moon. I don't know what you were specifically suggesting I see at the http://thelivingmoon.com, but I'm guessing it would be NASA images showing constructions of sentient beings - right?

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    I personally believe that the moon has been visited by humans in the distant past and that there are artifacts there that would confirm this beyond a shadow of a doubt. I also believe that Aliens (non-human entities) are using the moon for purposes unknown and we're either A, in collusion with them at the highest levels and keeping it secret, or B, we seen something there that scared us enough not to return. I've never been fully convinced by the U.S moon landings, but honestly don't have enough information on the subject to say with any conviction that they were all faked. Though I am certain at least some of the footage has been faked. It really is a fascinating topic and there's no doubt that the moon has some pretty unbelievable anomalies that are worth serious investigation.

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    In actuality my friend i have come to the conclusion that there MAY BE a civilization on the moon , I reached this conclusion after studying the living moon and most if not all of the pictures-

    as you probaly know nasa has been photographing the moon since the early 1950,s and in thousands of these we see the following -

    1) Buildings 2)roads 3) a mining strip 4) mining equipment 5) huge towers"actual purpose unknown"6) pyramids 7) statues 8)bridges 9)the shard

    10)aristarchus "a huge dome within the crater which emmits a blue glow thought to be a fusion reactor 11) a spaceport "photos supplied"

    all this and many more things are on the living moon for all to see ....the atmosphere i cant prove i concede that ...Anyway Someone put all this stuff up there -

    Is it a civilization who more advanced than our own ? Was it us before did we lose everything and have to start again ?

    The more you look into the moon the STRANGER THE STORY BECOMES - WHY HAVE WE NEVER EVER WENT BACK ?

    Im willing to bet the U.S GOVERMENT knows exactly who and what is going on up there ....WHY THE BIG SECRET ?

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    Quote Posted by Mutchie (here)
    The case for the civilization on the moon

    There is a civilization of Human beings who live on the moon.

    This is the BIGGEST and Best kept secret on Planet Earth.

    The nearside of the moon which is the side that faces earth appears to be desolate and unoccupied.

    The farside of the moon which also has a breathable atmospere also has lakes,rivers,forests,snow capped mountains and life as we know it here on earth.

    People generally believe that the moon has one sixth the gravity of the earth because they are told that the density of the moon is 3.3gr/cm3 and that the earths gravity is 5.5gr/cm3 and with those densities and the radius of the moon and the earth, the calculation is made:
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    This sounds like nonsense to me.
    After reading Ingo Swann's book "Penetration" (see here for a copy), and various other readings on this forum over the last couple of years ... what you wrote no longer seems like nonsense to me .
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    I know this is a thread about the moon and I don't want to go (too far ) off topic, but, I was thinking recently about the atmosphere on Mars.

    As I understand it, NASA tell us the atmosphere on Mars is very thin.

    It suddenly dawned on me that must be a lie. In all the photos from the surface of Mars, the sky is bright just like the sky on Earth. It doesn't even look a tiny bit darker!

    For the sky to look so bright, the atmosphere must be as dense are Earth's atmosphere. A photo from a planet/moon's surface with no atmosphere would show a black sky. A little bit of atmosphere would show a bit of a diffusion of light and a more dense atmosphere, more diffusion etc all the way up to a sky that is all diffusion and no direct star/sun light.

    I'm pretty certain they are not only lying about the colors on Mars but also about the atmosphere.

    So, what they tell us about the Moon cannot be trusted either.
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    Interesting read which begs for a slight follow-up.

    Quote Posted by Mutchie (here)
    Quote gravity A wave generator
    Is a 'gravity wave generator' to your knowledge, in reality an existing confirmed technology? If so, any information you can share would be very welcome.

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    Quote I once talked to a former Nasa psychologist who said her job was to work with the Apollo astronauts after their flight to the moon to help them deal with the fact that they could not tell the public what they really saw there. He said they talked of HUGE CONSTRUCTS.
    Above, "her" and "He" seems to refer to only one person. As this is only possible in rare cases, i presume it's a typing error, or did you have anything else in mind here?
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    Quote Posted by norman (here)
    I know this is a thread about the moon and I don't want to go (too far ) off topic, but, I was thinking recently about the atmosphere on Mars.

    As I understand it, NASA tell us the atmosphere on Mars is very thin.

    It suddenly dawned on me that must be a lie. In all the photos from the surface of Mars, the sky is bright just like the sky on Earth. It doesn't even look a tiny bit darker!

    For the sky to look so bright, the atmosphere must be as dense are Earth's atmosphere. A photo from a planet/moon's surface with no atmosphere would show a black sky. A little bit of atmosphere would show a bit of a diffusion of light and a more dense atmosphere, more diffusion etc all the way up to a sky that is all diffusion and no direct star/sun light.

    I'm pretty certain they are not only lying about the colors on Mars but also about the atmosphere.

    So, what they tell us about the Moon cannot be trusted either.
    No, I don't recall NASA saying that the atmosphere on Mars is very thin (do you have an official quote?). What they have said, officially, is that there is comparitively very little oxygen in the atmosphere around Mars.
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