UFO CRASH IN CANADA on 18 Feb, 2015

[DarMar]

THIRD
PHASE
OF
THE
MOON...

nuff said..

[Tangri]

Posted by buares (here)
Posted by Chris Rutkowski - Sunday, February 22, 2015


The next day, after I had thought things had slowed down, I awoke to find the story was going viral. I knew someone had to investigate this story, and it obviously had to be me, since no one else seemed to want to do so. Mainstream media took a look and found quickly it was the military exercise, but I wanted to know who started the rumours, and what was actually seen that led to the report of a UFO?

I easily found a number for the Band Office, and spoke with a council member there. She laughed. She said that if everyone had been evacuated, she wouldn’t have answered the phone. I asked her about the rumours and she said that there was nothing to them at all.

I dutifully reported back on Twitter about what I had learned.

Chris Rutkowski @ufologyresearch  ·  Feb 19 No, there was no #UFO #crash in #Jackhead #Manitoba last night, and no one was evacuated by the military. #hoax Sorry, no #Disclosure

But there was no way that facts were going to get in the way of a good story. Rumours continued to circulate on Facebook, Twitter, Youtube and UFO Media about the amazing UFO crash at Jackhead, which was variously described as a town, a reserve and a military base.

Posters insisted that they knew people who had been evacuated, who had been turned away at a military checkpoint, and who had definitely seen UFOs. Many said they knew people from Jackhead First Nation who had witnessed the crash and ensuing cover-up personally.

Of course, no one was talking about it firsthand. Obviously, the conspirators explained, they had been hushed up. Taken away, never to be heard from again.

I tried being the voice of reason again, the following day, as the story continued its viral ascent.

Throughout the hour the incoming Canadian callers would get disconnected.  Interference was felt by the radio host and his frustration over the situation. The host was able, during the live broadcast, share information that he had received emails from eye witnesses with texted cryptic information: “Your government needs you.  Keep quiet” pointing  a finger at them.“They told us we have one hour to evacuate.”“That’s all I’m allowed to say.”“Don’t send to anyone.” (implied text message)The eye witnesses have been intimidated and are now afraid to speak out.  People are unhappy with the shut down and the military presence in their area.

Many posters on social media really had no idea of what the facts of the case were at all. But the implications of their comments are making things uncomfortable. ThirdPhaseOfMoon’s second podcast stirred things up by stating that the residents on the reserve were mad that the military was covering up such an event on their land.

One poster on February 22nd, three days after the story began going viral, asked:

Kris H ‏@HargoFett
Did a Canadian Roswell just happen?http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/canada/manitoba/ufo-near-jackhead-it-s-actually-a-plane-says-military-1.2963994 …Why would military conduct exercise on Indian reservation?

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Jackhead is quite remote, with only a single gravel road leading in from Peguis First Nation and the town of Dallas (really!), about 60 kilometres south, and nothing in between. There are about 225 people who live on Jackhead First Nation, and some fish for a living. There are few other communities anywhere near there. During the winter, weather conditions make it very challenging to travel around or about the lake.

Second, related to the first point about the isolation of the site, the Canadian Forces chose Lake Winnipeg as the perfect place for winter training exercises.

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What about the rumours of people being taken from their homes and cut off from the outside world? What we do know is that Internet access out there can be spotty and dependent on phone lines. I was able to reach people in the band office by phone, and it’s obvious that someone out there is on Twitter and Facebook, so Internet access has not been cut off. Nor have posts been removed.

Another thing that should be pointed out is that the military exercise started on February 13th, several days before the “UFO crash.” If a saucer did crash on the night of the 18th, it’s odd that the military would know about it before it happened, and also were in the exact location where it would occur.

There are plenty of second-hand sources of information about evacuation and saucers on the frozen lake, but apart from the fishermen, no one has admitted seeing or experiencing any of the strange events.

This is what’s on MysteriousUniverse.org:

UFO crash reported on the Jackhead reserve in Manitoba, Canada. Apparently the Canadian Military have vehicles lined up on north shore. They are threatening anybody who tries to take pics…lots of eye witnesses. Thur is round object being hauled across the lake being pulled by snow mobiles and bombardier … Something was seen going down by 8 fishermen they reported it…why would they not let the media know if it was a plane crash. Apparently a disc shaped craft was seen crashing through the ice on the lake, at least one person got photographic evidence but has since been detained by the Canadian military.

Let’s look at this summary of the conspiracy line by line.

UFO crash reported on the Jackhead reserve in Manitoba, Canada.
FALSE. A simulated plane crash was on the lake itself, significantly offshore.

Apparently the Canadian Military have vehicles lined up on north shore.
FALSE. There would be supporting military vehicles near the exercises, but this is the west shore.

They are threatening anybody who tries to take pics.
PARTLY TRUE. The military likely was discouraging civilians to take photos.

Lots of eye witnesses
POSSIBLY TRUE. If this refers to the UFO seen, then yes. The rumour says “eight fishermen,” though none have come forward officially. But what else were people witnesses to?

There is [a] round object being hauled across the lake being pulled by snow mobiles and bombardier.
PROBABLY TRUE. The military exercise involves a 300-kilometre trip across the frozen lake in -40F conditions. I sure hope they have plenty of supplies.

Something was seen going down by 8 fishermen.
See above.

Why would they not let the media know if it was a plane crash?
ANSWER: Because there was no real plane crash.

Apparently a disc shaped craft was seen crashing through the ice on the lake.
UNSUBSTANTIATED. There is no report of such an event, and no evidence to this effect. (I hope this did not refer to a military accident involving personnel, but we would have heard of this by now through conventional media if they had.)

At least one person got photographic evidence but has since been detained by the Canadian military.
UNSUBSTANTIATED. Who? Wouldn’t anyone from the community know who this was and object, perhaps going right to media? This would have been something to tweet out for sure, that “John White was arrested by the military.”
Wrong people can be detained without witness
So, despite the lack of evidence of the wild claims, the story of the “UFO Crash in Jackhead” continues to go viral. Why did the story get made up, anyway? I suspect because of the general distrust of the military and the poor communication by the Canadian Forces public relations office about is operation, the activity was viewed as suspicious by some people in the remote community.

And the UFO conspiracy community did the rest.

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Source: http://uforum.blogspot.com

Canadian Native Indian's rights is different then American natives's rights.

Most of them they do not have official(governmental) document. They only use documents when they need to shopping(which easily can be obtain from a friend) to not give a tax for trade. They are officially non exist(most of them) as a documentation.

"There are about 225 people who live on Jackhead First Nation, and some fish for a living."

As you see there is no definite numbers on living beings in that area. People can disappear without any trace( already there is no trace by official records). Intimidation is easy since their number is low and lack of out world's interest.
Officially military or RCMP(canadian FBI) has no affair in their land without informing local tribe. Military search and rescue is not an adequate explanation for Canadians since it could harm unacknowledged locals.
An information for training is a custom procedure and it should not followed by threat.

What about the rumours of people being taken from their homes and cut off from the outside world? What we do know is that Internet access out there can be spotty and dependent on phone lines. I was able to reach people in the band office by phone, and it’s obvious that someone out there is on Twitter and Facebook, so Internet access has not been cut off. Nor have posts been removed.

It is a narrowed truth. The Jamming effects in limited radius, if individuals not targeted by purpose. But if a targeting occurs, those individuals can not be reached.
Something really did happened there and it will surface eventually since Natives getting help from surrounding tribes.

[Carmody]

There is a zero number of allowed military training operations on sovereign independent Canadian native (first nations) lands.

Period.

The Canadian government has, literally millions of square km outside of those wholly separate sovereign first nations areas, that they can commit to operations and training exercises on. (Canada: approx 10million sq km in total)

They would never -and have never- used native lands for training exercises.

Has anyone bothered to try and use a internet wayback machine, to find out exactly when this announcement of a 'training exercise' actually appeared on given websites?

Also, how disinformation is doled out, how it is created, etc. To keep the public blind, and in a 'double bind' so they have no capacity to move forward in any form of decision making.

So, whenever the public starts to get close, the second part of maintaining the 'double bind' is introduced, the falsification of the moment is created, so the public can 'calm down' and continue being ignorant.

Also, websites and specific people are targeted for take-down, via trying to capture them in a falsehood story, so this story can be dragged up from time to time, in order to keep those researchers, whistleblowers and so on, to keep the double bind on anyone who may listen to them.

What we may be looking at can be real, or the introduction of a purposely crafted falsehood, so to create the double bind condition, and the purposeful activation of planted operatives and assets on forums and websites, in order to confuse the data and story to create a 'double bind' confusion inducing mindset (create a wide variance in opinion of individuals-who's voice creates and holds the double bind), so that people move away from trying to interpret or look at such data, today, and in the future.

To carry forward, in the public who may try to look at such things... a cancellation of any future looking at of UFO data and information. A creation of bias in expectancy of the public mind. That .... if they go look, all they'll ever get is 'brain hurt', and no answers, no clarity....thus the subconscious and semiconscious outcome in the general public is to shy away from dealing with it.

A double bind is an emotionally distressing dilemma in communication in which an individual (or group) receives two or more conflicting messages, and one message negates the other....... Unlike the usual no-win situation, the subject has difficulty in defining the exact nature of the paradoxical situation in which he or she is caught. That both the question and the answer are purposely obscured and made to be complicated or increasingly and purposely complexified.

If one looks at how this works.... they find that public interest (casual Avalon viewer) in these threads picks up at the start or initiation of the given forum thread....and then wanes off, and MANY TIMES, does not stick around to read further, that the general public does not come back...to look at clarity of the situation that is reached, later on - in the given thread development. Part of the psychology of the introduction of 'brain hurt' and information denial, all carried out or executed...via the way that people's minds work.

To add, one primary methodology is the usage of emotionalism, hardness and uncaring, attacks, viciousness in undertones, as specific cues into the act of diverting people's minds away from the subject. A fundamental of introducing an argument, a position and a set of data for that discussion, is a clear and correct intellectualism. Only this sort of thing is taken in to the mind of an individual, for consideration.

Downward trending angry invective and browbeating in text form, is enough to begin the process of shutting discussion down, shutting reasoning down shutting situational resolution down, which is why you'll see it being introduced in discussions as it tears away from reasoned debate, and defines the situation into two or more distorted camps of data and reduced communication between them... so the double bind can be held.

That the public is being gamed via the underlying way that their minds create and function in thought creation. Any variation in that pattern of execution of control is noted and the given subject (person) or situation (forum developments) is monitored closely, as this is a core component of information control, public control... in the internet age.

The above is the constant state that world wide governmental systems (and departments) forced denial of UFO information exists in, today.

An article on the subject, from a ex-cia director, from 1979, this spells it out clearly (without ever saying it directly). It's all about information denial... and carrying forward such a mindset in the public. To work with how people's minds function, just outside of their recognition of such things.


Before blowing the whistle on America's illegal covert Cold War activities, Victor Marchetti was a 14-year CIA veteran ultimately promoted to executive assistant to The Agency's Deputy Director. After resigning in 1969, he wrote two exposes -- 1971's The Rope Dancer, and The CIA and the Cult of Intelligence in 1974. The latter, which the federal government attempted to ban from publication, was among the many slings and arrows contributing to the formation of the U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence hearings in 1975.

In 1979, Marchetti stoked yet another controversy by providing a rare if not largely speculative glimpse into the mindset of The Agency's uneasy relationship with The Great Taboo. Titled "How the CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon," Marchetti's magazine piece took a cautious approach. "The topic was rarely discussed at internal meetings," he wrote. "It seemed to fall into the category of 'very sensitive activities,' e.g., drug and mind-control operations, domestic spying, and other illegal actions. People simply did not talk about the UFO phenomenon."

[Carmody]

Of course, while typing the above thread post out, over multiple edits and changes..near the end of it, I received exactly one ring on my phone, with no conclusion, no caller id, nothing.

A double bind phone call. (It's called the game of 'ring ring', where you ring them once. In the old days, with analog phones, you could get even a half or 1/4 ring in there, or even a single 'ting' on the bell of the phone)

These situations are not without a sense of humour (IMO). I could get all fearful about such things (they're watching me, oh no!), but I prefer the joke scenario.

The answer, is that it is you. The individual you reading this.

You are the object and the war front itself. It's all on you.

[Flash]

Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
That still doesn't constitute proof to me. That fellow is from there. Was he actually there though? He could be receiving third hand "info" from his family/friends who still live there. Info told to them by military guys that came to their door.

We'll see what becomes of this.

This was the same bizarre conspiracy buff when a few years ago there were lots of talk about Chinese, 100,000 troop, being silently massing along the American border from the Québec side.

To tell the truth, it was almost hilarious, if not for those not wanting to understand that 100,000 troop Chinese would not go unnoticed even in the population at large. Why: because they are Chinese, in military outfit, amongst a whole lot of whites. Because they cannot speak French or English without a very thick accents usually and because of the sheer number. But some would vehemently argue with me that they were there, at 1/2 drive from Montréal.

In conclusion, when locals tells you there is nothing there, those used to their environements, and more Native Indians who are very keen observers, the chances are there is nothing there.

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JUst read your post Carmody and there is one (and more) thing true that makes my mind go 180 degrees around, there is no military exercises on Reservation land, ever. I had not thought of this, but it is true.

Therefore, i may want to retract my post later after receiving more information.

[Atlas]

Pyramid shaped UFO debunked:


Full original image: https://betweenbrushstrokes.files.wo...2/img_8103.jpg

[Tangri]

Posted by Flash (here)

Posted by Tyy1907 (here)
That still doesn't constitute proof to me. That fellow is from there. Was he actually there though? He could be receiving third hand "info" from his family/friends who still live there. Info told to them by military guys that came to their door.

We'll see what becomes of this.

This was the same bizarre conspiracy buff when a few years ago there were lots of talk about Chinese, 100,000 troop, being silently massing along the American border from the Québec side.

To tell the truth, it was almost hilarious, if not for those not wanting to understand that 100,000 troop Chinese would not go unnoticed even in the population at large. Why: because they are Chinese, in military outfit, amongst a whole lot of whites. Because they cannot speak French or English without a very thick accents usually and because of the sheer number. But some would vehemently argue with me that they were there, at 1/2 drive from Montréal.

In conclusion, when locals tells you there is nothing there, those used to their environements, and more Native Indians who are very keen observers, the chances are there is nothing there.

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JUst read your post Carmody and there is one (and more) thing true that makes my mind go 180 degrees around, there is no military exercises on Reservation land, ever. I had not thought of this, but it is true.

Therefore, i may want to retract my post later after receiving more information.

Well only, Carmody's missing point is search and rescue can be exercised in emergency situation(like plane crash) without authorisation <only information is necessary>. They tried this first but quickly chanced it, as a "it was a training exercise " Training exercise is not an option in Native reservation.

[Tangri]

Posted by buares (here)
Pyramid shaped UFO debunked:


Full original image: https://betweenbrushstrokes.files.wo...2/img_8103.jpg

What about Canadian army's claim "military exercise on search and rescue training" in that area.

" Training exercise is not an option in Native reservation.

Photos can be fake(photoshoped) or served to dilute the real one, but something doesn't match with their position on training story.

Also those poor natives must be in desperation or enormous boredom to organise this one as a hoax. It is in probability range but so many not match angles on this.

In my gut feeling some other Natives are paying attention right now to the situation.

[Atlas]

What really happened at Jackhead
by Rutkowski

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=B1UARQHVrWE

[Atlas]

Blake Cousin of Third Phase of The Moon: Jackhead Chief denies all of it

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dI0nRfSNkFg

Jackhead Chief says:

"None of our people have been detained [...] That's just rumors and propaganda".

[Atlas]

Posted by lucidity (here)
What smells bad here, is that someone is going to extreme lengths with a detailed and unnecessarily convoluted story about how it's all really not a UFO at all. [...] I confidently predict that more images, video and testimony will surface in the days and weeks that follow to show that buares' story above (citing the story by Chris Rutkowski) above is a load of hogwash.

FYI, here are some of the books written by Chris Rutkowski:





https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chris...15025698561962

[Tyy1907]

Well I guess we had our own exercise on this thread here didn't we ahahahahahahhahahahaha......................haha..............

[Tangri]

Posted by buares (here)
What really happened at Jackhead
by Rutkowski

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=B1UARQHVrWE

I believe he is Canadian but he is not talking like one.

He is saying "military training exercise was not on Indian's land but it was on the lake". If I were American or European citizen I would understand that, subject lake belong the military.
I believe he never had a fishing permit in Canada.

"Reserve lands may not be seized legally, nor is the personal property of a band or a band member living on a reserve subject to "charge, pledge, mortgage, attachment, levy, seizure distress or execution in favour or at the instance of any person other than an Indian or a band" (section 89 (1) of the[17]GCa (1985), Indian Act, Government of Canada"
We believe that the legal principles established in the American case law, which recognize Aboriginal rights to lands under waters, applies equally in Manitoba. Therefore, Aboriginal title continues in force unless and until it can be demonstrated by the Crown that it has been surrendered validly by treaty. In addition, we have concluded that many of the reserves established pursuant to the treaties include adjacent waters.

First Nations also possess riparian rights. This means that First Nations and the Metis have the legal authority to protest any use of water that diminishes the quality or quantity of water available to them. The existence of these Aboriginal rights to water, of course, may have a significant impact on those hydro-electric projects throughout the province that dramatically affect water levels or water quality. All environmental management licences that permit companies to pollute waters should be subject to Aboriginal water rights.
edit Well Subject is little confusing when Manitoba on the table.
Migratory Birds Convention Act ("breaches of Aboriginal and treaty rights ",Supreme Court of Canada decisions in the 1960)

"Since most reserves were situated next to bodies of water for fishing, transportation and domestic consumption purposes, it is logical to infer that the reserve included at least a portion of the surrounding waters as well as the land itself."

This is tricky part, federal government may use body of water. Although Existing Aboriginal rights to water and beds of waters be recognized by the federal and provincial governments.

[huyi82]

I don't understand, why are two different ufis being shown? Has it been confirmed that two ufos have crashed at the site?

[MorningSong]

I really don't want to add more fuel to the fire, but... I saw this today on spaceweather.com and went, "hmmm... maybe the military were prepping for possible space junk reaching the ground"?

CHINESE ROCKET RE-ENTRY (UPDATED): On Monday night, Feb. 23-24, sky watchers in the western half of North America witnessed a spectacular cluster of fireballs and meteors. We now know it was the re-entry and breakup of a Chinese rocket body, specifically stage 3 of the CZ-4B rocket that launched the Yaogan Weixing 26 satellite in Dec. 2014. Donny Mott photographed the glowing debris from Spirit Lake, Idaho:



Mott was watching a display of auroras around 10 pm local time when the fragments flew by. "It was super bright," he says. "You can see it breaking up in these 4 images I took 10 seconds apart."

Another photographer, John Arnold, caught the meteor flying over Craig, Montana: photos.

According to satellite tracking expert Ted Molczan, "there are confirmed sightings from Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Idaho, Oregon, Washington, Montana, British Columbia, Alberta. The most southerly observation I have noted so far was from Scottsdale, Arizona; the most northerly from Didsbury, Alberta. That spans nearly 3000 km of the descent." Molczan has prepared a map of sightings along with the ground track of the decaying rocket body:



The re-entering rocket body traveled from south to north. One of the first sightings was made by NASA's all-sky meteor camera at the MMT Observatory near Tucson, AZ. "We caught the object just as it was entering the atmosphere," says Bill Cooke of NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office. A movie shows the rocket body, apparently still in one piece, moving slowly across the sky as it brightens to magnitude -4 (about the same as Venus). By the time the rocket body reached the US-Canadian border, it was in many pieces. Molczan says "the approximate toe of the debris footprint (should any have survived to impact Earth) would be well into Canada."

Monitor the realtime photo gallery for more sightings:

[lucidity]

Posted by buares (here)
Blake Cousin of Third Phase of The Moon: Jackhead Chief denies all of it

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=dI0nRfSNkFg

Jackhead Chief says:

"None of our people have been detained [...] That's just rumors and propaganda".

Hello Siblings,

Actually NO!
This is not an interview with the Chief of the Jackhead tribe.

And if you listen carefully the person interviewed denies being David
(the chief) and says (of the chief) "he's not in".
The interviewer fails to register this and continues on with
the interviewer anyway.
This is not, as billed, an interview with the Chief of the Jackhead tribe.

Listen carefully to the 10 second segment from 01:19

01.19 [?????] Hello
01:20 [Blake] Hello. How you doing David?
01:22 [?????] No
01:23 [Blake] Yeah I'm looking for David ....
01:24 [?????] Yeah. No. It's the errrr chief and he's err not in.
01:27 [Blake] Hey i was wondering if err.. [sniff] ... Hey Chief i was just err
... I'm calling from the state of Hawaii....etc.

This could be an interview with any old Tom, Dick or Agent Harry.

be happy

lucidity :-)

[lucidity]

Posted by buares (here)

Posted by lucidity (here)
What smells bad here, is that someone is going to extreme lengths with a detailed and unnecessarily convoluted story about how it's all really not a UFO at all. [...] I confidently predict that more images, video and testimony will surface in the days and weeks that follow to show that buares' story above (citing the story by Chris Rutkowski) above is a load of hogwash.

FYI, here are some of the books written by Chris Rutkowski:





https://www.facebook.com/pages/Chris...15025698561962

This is amusing.

I think it's a great cover for a disinfo agent to be a member of some UFO group
and to have published several UFO books.

In fact, if I was planning disinfo resources to cope with future 'incidents'
this is exactly the kind of cover i'd set up. Having an appropriately
experienced, appropriately placed 'agent' would maximise the credibility
of the source of any future denials i might wish to circulate.

What's more amusing is that someone has gone to the trouble
to produce videos on youtube suggesting that Chris Rutkowski
is a reptilian shapeshifter.

I kid you not!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn3E2XrWBdw

How many other UFO investigators are accused of this ?
Normally this accusation is levelled at people at the highest
levels of the political or military hierarchy.

Isn't it odd that the first UFO researcher to publicise conclusions
(somewhat prematurely) on this matter denies it's validity.

Isn't it also strange that this same UFO researcher is the subject
of a video suggesting he's a reptilian shapeshifter ?

It's ridiculously amusing.

I haven't read any of this guy's books.
I've no idea in what direction his books lean.
For example, on the issue of alien abductions, what conclusion does
he come to? Does he say abductees are having fantasies and probably
there's nothing really to this ? Does he say we should believe what
these witnesses are telling us and that something worrying is going on ?

If anyone has read this guy's books, i would be very interested to hear.

be happy

lucidity :-)

[Flash]

Posted by MorningSong (here)
I really don't want to add more fuel to the fire, but... I saw this today on spaceweather.com and went, "hmmm... maybe the military were prepping for possible space junk reaching the ground"?

CHINESE ROCKET RE-ENTRY (UPDATED): On Monday night, Feb. 23-24, sky watchers in the western half of North America witnessed a spectacular cluster of fireballs and meteors. We now know it was the re-entry and breakup of a Chinese rocket body, specifically stage 3 of the CZ-4B rocket that launched the Yaogan Weixing 26 satellite in Dec. 2014. Donny Mott photographed the glowing debris from Spirit Lake, Idaho:



Mott was watching a display of auroras around 10 pm local time when the fragments flew by. "It was super bright," he says. "You can see it breaking up in these 4 images I took 10 seconds apart."

Another photographer, John Arnold, caught the meteor flying over Craig, Montana: photos.

According to satellite tracking expert Ted Molczan, "there are confirmed sightings from Arizona, Utah, Nevada, Wyoming, Idaho, Oregon, Washington, Montana, British Columbia, Alberta. The most southerly observation I have noted so far was from Scottsdale, Arizona; the most northerly from Didsbury, Alberta. That spans nearly 3000 km of the descent." Molczan has prepared a map of sightings along with the ground track of the decaying rocket body:



The re-entering rocket body traveled from south to north. One of the first sightings was made by NASA's all-sky meteor camera at the MMT Observatory near Tucson, AZ. "We caught the object just as it was entering the atmosphere," says Bill Cooke of NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office. A movie shows the rocket body, apparently still in one piece, moving slowly across the sky as it brightens to magnitude -4 (about the same as Venus). By the time the rocket body reached the US-Canadian border, it was in many pieces. Molczan says "the approximate toe of the debris footprint (should any have survived to impact Earth) would be well into Canada."

Monitor the realtime photo gallery for more sightings:

I sincerely think you nailed it.

[Tyy1907]

The war for our minds conti nues.....

[Cinta]

..i wonder when they will actually be forced to put something about this on mainstream media...not seen anything so far..but im watching..