David Wilcock "The Proof"

[OMG]

David Wilcock http://www.divinecosmos.com is obviously a very intelligent and likable guy. And from what I have heard with his interviews he's good at reciting facts, stats, and providing uplifting or unique theories on what's happening or could happen.

My question is, and forgive my ignorance, what actual proof or information has he actually offered that was successful or accurate? Could someone provide a bullet point LIST? Or does he just offer theories and hope?

Thank you

[Redstar Kachina]

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[Snoweagle]

Have you done any research yourself?
Do you believe everything you are shown?
Do you believe what you are told?
Do you expect the answers to be given to you?
Have you checked yourself anything from any of the videos you have seen?

We are all familiar with fast food but sadly there is no such thing in research.

The only way you will be convinced is by doing your own investigations and producing your own bullet lists.

Lots and lots here in the archives of Project Avalon and Project Camelot as well as on the web. Be careful, not all experts are as expert as they claim to be.

[giovonni]

15 Runs ~ No Draws ~ Knockout Decision Only

[OMG]

I'm sorry...I'll be more specific.

From what I know about David he gains his UNIQUE information through either his inner work/visions/OBE's or through his "contacts/sources". The results of these are what I'm curious about in summation form, NOT the facts or stats that pretty much anyone can locate. Such as when he mentioned that Coast-to-Coast had more listeners than all of the major conventional news services. And George Noorey said yes, all of them combined. Such stats can be looked up for verification.

And yes "proof" can be a tricky affair but there are many negative government or PTB "proofs" that already exist or are still accumulating that warrant deep concern. Such as the Patriot act, NDAA, IRS scandal, immigration, gun control, FCC internet neutrality, and the list goes on...and there seems no end in sight, only rumors of an end...

While it's true that I could do more research on David it is equally true that his site and relevant information is VERY large and would be excessively time consuming. The motivation to delve into his work thoroughly is just not a realistic option for me. As such, it was my hope that there might be those who are deeply familiar with his work and provide a general summary or bullet points of the information I requested. Obviously if I felt compelled I would do my best to verify any information that was provided.

Thank you!

[OBwan]

Snoweagle’s comment “Be careful, not all experts are as expert as they claim to be.” is so true.

Medical Experts:

• 50% of all doctors graduated in the lower half of their class
• It is illegal for doctors to prescribe anything other than a drug for a disease
• Doctors regurgitate incorrect (sometimes fraudulent) information they have been given about drug safety

Drug Professionals:

• The government has a program to compensate people who have been harmed by vaccines
• The story of how Aspartame was approved by the FDA (otherwise known as the Fraud and Deception Agency) is scheme story of deception
• In 2012 GlaxoSmithKline got a BILLION DOLLAR criminal fine
• In 2009 Phizer got a BILLION DOLLAR criminal fine

Governmental Experts:

• The video 1960s below “TV NATIONAL ANTHEM SUBLIMINAL MESSAGES” is a clear example of mind control
• The video below “List of Government Executive Orders Strip America's Rights” describes how the Executive branch of the government is not moving in the best interest of the population

• Belief:

• The video below “Derren Brown ~ Fear And Faith - Pt-1” explores the placebo effect

• Advertisement:

• The video below “Derren Brown - Subliminal Advertising” describes the power of how our lives are influenced

You can research many topics that will scare you the BLANK out of you. When the fear that occurs is no longer with you for a given topic, you can find an empowering love perspective.

Removing the fear can be done using the following process. OMG, think about topics that David Wilcock discuss and see if this elicits a fear response. Try the below process which will remove many of the fears, and then ask yourself if David’s information needs to be validated.

Be In Peace,
OBwan

---- How to Remove Fearful Memories ----

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/atta...9&d=1421587445

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=X1G9nCFgRfw

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=S2a6l10LLaU

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=hfDlfhHVvTY

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ZyQjr1YL0zg

[gripreaper]

Proof can either be objective or subjective.

Objective proof follows a protocol of a hypothesis that is then "proven" through experiments and tests which verify certain parameters within the overall context of the Newtonian periodic chart of the elements of solids, liquids and gasses. If a certain experiment can be proven to be reproducible within this paradigm of elements, then it is said to be true and valid.

Subjective proof is predicated upon one's own experience and the pain or pleasure response of the five physical senses which helps form beliefs and archetypes around the sensations and impulses which are relevant to survival and comfort.

The third possibility, is the viewpoint outside of the tangible elements and the carnal senses. This paradigm, sometimes called the quantum paradigm, has it's hypothesis in the field of photonics and energy, and is purely subjective as the hologram of creation one perceives is relative to the position of the observer and their ability to see the fullness and wider perspective of the visible light spectrum. This is also called "spiritual" or "ascended" and other terms.

As this image shows, most of us see very little of what's available for "seeing"

[Carmody]

Even crazier and more to the point, find the visible light spectrum on this Westinghouse electromagnetic spectrum chart. It is very freaking small. Seeing may be believing, in the human lexicon of projected ideals... but it is about 1/100th of what 'is'. It is at the 1 o'clock position on the chart.

http://freeenergy.creasysee.com/wp-c...trum-table.jpg

[OMG]

This is getting convoluted. I appreciate the perspectives and am well aware of what constitutes "proof", the limitations of our awareness etc...

Looking for bullet points and keeping things as simple as possible.

Thank you!

[Carmody]

not.

gonna.

happen.

Work for it. No free rides.

The below image, which everyone wants and desires, the simple push of a button to become 'informed', fails....on all levels.



If you want a different road to walk, one more cemented in the science of research, then Joseph Farrell's works can take you on a similar journey.

Another is the works of Jim Marrs.

Personally, I've read all three, which amounts to..about ..what..25-30 books, mostly all very well researched, with huge bibliographies and references, all included in each book.

A good one for a single take, is 'the field', by Lynn McTaggart. that would be opening the door a sliver and it has probably..nearly a thousand references of books, texts, research papers and articles.

This is what I mean by, 'work for it, no free rides'. The subject requires your full intent and intention, just like all life changing endeavors. Energy in=energy out.

This is no path of innocence. If you are successful, nearly all things in and of you will be altered, changed, broken and refreshed into something new. All. that's the problem with change, it requires change. And that is inherently, for a human incarnate, an in-depth affair of the internal all.

[DNA]

Wilcock used to say that all of the animal headed versions of the Egyptian Gods were actually human like beings with elaborate head dresses designed to inspire fear like the movie/tv show Stargate.
He made a big deal about this. In his most recent interview on coast to coast he stated without recanting how the depictions were actual aliens as depicted.

He is also preaching ascension again.
I used to really like Wilcock. That changed into maybe he has something to offer. Now when I listen to wilcock it's strictly for entertainment purposes.

[OMG]

No disrespect intended but I honestly do not understand this "free ride" or "do all the research youself" mentality. I'm certainly not asking for that.

Surely we can all see that we all don't need to be a specialist, say for example a medical doctor, in order for a medical doctor to summarize complicated information within his feild of specialty so the lay person can understand.

Similarly I am asking anyone who is deeply familiar with David's work, or even David himself, to provide said summary. Any accountable social venue or professional should have such information at hand. As a business man I know this as a fact since my business wouldn't operate without successful social accoutability of my service.

Humbly if I may request that those who can NOT contribute to this end just reframe from posting since it only complicates the matter. This isn't a challenge and I certainly am not trying to instigate retaliation or repress free speech. People can do what they feel they must...it's merely an uncomplicating request.

Cheers!

[gripreaper]

Ok, I’ll provide a bullet point list.

Aliens came to planet earth and screwed things up. Now, good aliens are helping to fix things and have taken out the nuclear missile silos and the underground DUMBS and the Dragon family wants their gold back from the evil cabal who is controlling the planet and wants to kill us all and take the money and run to some other planet with their advanced technology which we slaves do not have in the mainstream. Once all the gold is located and returned to the rightful heirs, then we will each get a couple million of our inheritance and a new paradigm will start with the disclosure of the benevolent ET’s which are helping us ascend, and the new BRIC alliance of nations who have mankind’s best interest at heart will usher in a new system of commerce, and an awakening occurring in the minds of the people who don’t believe mainstream news anymore, and then things will go 4D and old structures and paradigms will die and the economy will collapse and the military industrial complex used by the elite bankster cabalistic alien interlopers will be dismantled and all of the bad guys will get arrested and put on trial in a world court of proper jurisprudence and justice will be served.

This new paradigm shift is predicated upon you and me waking up and ascending.

[Carmody]

Posted by OMG (here)
No disrespect intended but I honestly do not understand this "free ride" or "do all the research youself" mentality. I'm certainly not asking for that.

Surely we can all see that we all don't need to be a specialist, say for example a medical doctor, in order for a medical doctor to summarize complicated information within his feild of specialty so the lay person can understand.

Similarly I am asking anyone who is deeply familiar with David's work, or even David himself, to provide said summary. Any accountable social venue or professional should have such information at hand. As a business man I know this as a fact since my business wouldn't operate without successful social accoutability of my service.

Humbly if I may request that those who can NOT contribute to this end just reframe from posting since it only complicates the matter. This isn't a challenge and I certainly am not trying to instigate retaliation or repress free speech. People can do what they feel they must...it's merely an uncomplicating request.

Cheers!

You are asking me to fill your head with 'facts'.

I refuse, as you yourself should refuse to accept.

You are asking for a free ride, the kind with the greatest cost.

'Dictated to'... has nothing to do with 'learning from'.

The matter is inherently incredibly complex and is only simple once it has been negotiated by the individual. No free rides. No bullet points, no summaries, nothing.

Do the work, or the inquiry is meaningless.

[Wookie]

There is no "proof" that belief cannot deny.
There is no "truth" that is not relative.
1+1= an apple and an orange

Peaceful Journeys wookie

[Bill Ryan]

.

Hi, All —

I think that OMG is saying something like this...

* Bill risks a paraphrase *

David has made a lot of strong, public statements and claims over the years. Can anyone add value to those, by documenting which have later been shown, beyond reasonable doubt (in the internet community group of peers!) to be either substantiated or otherwise?

[Atlas]

Posted by OMG (here)
Could someone provide a bullet point LIST?

Is this what you are looking for:

Posted by waves (here)
I'm noticing a growing number of people questioning the validity or sincerity of David Wilcock as I am. It's been evident in the recent emotional breakdown and financial article threads, and all the threads regarding his 'channeled' information, but a lot of people are also still offering empathy and support and seemingly feeling called to show a sense of loyalty to the insight and truth they felt they've resonated with in his work and lectures.

However, I'm starting to overflow with questions and think it may be time for the community to really put our accumulated knowledge to the test and possibly let go of even more layers of deception that we didn't think we had - to consider what views of reality we may have decided to adopt because they feel good - even bold, defiant or courageous - rather than what may be true.

I have been trying to apply this filter to all whistleblowers, investigators, channellers, good samaritans, authors, etc. in the growing alternative media, and think we have to filter it all with the expectation that deliberate manipulation and disinfo is probably RAMPANT and extremely clever and is possibly very long planned, patient and even star-trek level technologically advanced, including directly into undefended brains.

One probably common, powerful and possibly required tool for effectiveness is to mix real info with disinfo.

This list includes what immediately struck me especially in the recent break-down episode with David and why. This essay is not a criticism of the real David, it is great recognition and empathy/sympathy for the real David that I offer, but I have had growing suspicions for a long time of an underlying agenda possibly out of his conscious control, and wondered if blatant evidence of it seemed to finally burst into full exposure in the 'episode'.

I have suspected for a long time that public personna David is a long planned, programmed alter full of software that is being cleverly and deliberately used to infiltrate and manipulate the alternative crowd. I wonder if the real David still doesn't know it, is in denial or is mostly trapped in his programmed personna, and wonder if what we witnessed may have been a rare public break in the veneer/programming with the real David alter appearing briefly begging for help.

I too enthusiastically gravitated towards David a few years ago, appreciating his seeming incredibly deep, insightful and refreshing cutting edge grasp of the gigantic big picture delivered with a very cavalier, regular joe offhandedness. I overlooked the Cayce/self-congratulatory stuff at first.

In an order I don't remember, I started taking note of puzzle pieces that didn't seem to fit the persona he was trying to project or the purity/reliability of his message:

1. The most crucial, foundational red flag to me is that he grew up near a military base and was a former extreme drug addict (heroin?). Either or both are the classic child/teenhoods that have been the opportunities/origins of programs to create fractured minds extremely vulnerable to programming/alters (refresh your MKultra knowledge). This can be done without the conscious knowledge or memory of the programmee.

2. He is blond haired and blue eyed. This is apparently the most vulnerable/desirable genetic base for mind control programming.

3. In all his writing and lectures that I've heard claiming deep understanding of psy-ops and MKultra, he has never once addressed the issue of psy-ops having long ago perfected ability to download dreams and data into people's minds, and why he thinks his dreams are totally impervious to this. Quite the contrary - he endlessly cites his dreams as proof !! of being given special insight, futuretelling, confirmation of stuff, uncanny coincidence, etc. and even congratulates himself ad nauseum for being so special to have them.

4. He has an encyclopedic memory of extremely complex interrelated data combining mathematical, physics, scientific, historical and archaeologicial facts. This is looks like SOFTWARE to me.

5. It was too uncanny for coincidence to me that supposed Montauk survivor/lawyer Andrew Basiago with that wierd 60's b/w photo suddenly appeared on the major interview circuit out of nowhere robotically sounding exactly like David. This included repeating much of the exact same complex, supposed inside info in frequently the exact same phrases as David! I read many comments of people both mistaking Andrew for David Wilcock and/or noting the EXACT same tone of voice, phrasing, delivery and run-on knowledge spewing. It screamed SOFTWARE to me.

If this is true, then I think we need to look closely at the David and Andrew version of 'reality' and why it may be being fed to us, repeated for supposed 'proof' to the alternative crowd and for what reason. Of course psy-ops is doing this somewhere, is this one of the examples? What's this agenda, where's the line between info and disinfo?

I wonder if the similarity to David became too noticable and created too loud a buzz because something changed, and suddenly Andrew stopped sounding anything like he did at first anymore. Was this a software rewrite to de-David him? Something like a emotionless monotone really creeps me out when listening to Andrew too, and David growingly, but that's another topic.

6. I wonder if David has also been downloaded with programs to destroy his credibility on a dime if they need to. One is his unwavering portrayal of Obama as a closet good guy playing the system behind the scenes and waiting for the right moment to be a hero. David has absolutely refused to acknowledge the overwhelming evidence about who Obama might really be that screams fraud, puppet and long destined powerless figurehead.

7. Other programs that seem to have been implanted and mildly triggered to sow seeds of doubt for future use to discredit him are the growing list of set-in-stone declarations of what is going to happen that have not happened, frequently based on his prophetic 'dreams'. One example was flatly announcing on C2C in later 2010 or 09? that there would be full disclosure by the President by Nov. with one of the aliens standing next to him. I also notice David repeatedly using the don't worry, we're going to win, all these ugly facts don't matter stance in a sort of messianic way. It's sure is a timely sales magnet to market hope backed by nice sounding esoteric certainty in this atmosphere of dread, but also a podium that could be collapsed at any time.

8. Didn't he once state that the publishing company for his book was going to be the same as Tolle's? It has been obvious to me that everyone repeatedly paraded by Oprah has been a fellow MK'er then if he has the same publisher as Tolle it puts him in the deep circle of controlled, manipulated info, promotion and exposure.

9. I frankly don't know what to think about David's extreme ad nauseum self-congratulatory egotism. Would it fit that it could be an insecure alter sort of proud of/congratulating the smart alter in him?...and that's how he can do it so unabashedly egomanaically? And was the Cayce part some software yahoo in psy-ops thinking "hey.. I got it!... the new age crowd will really buy this.."? It may even be child's play to have produced a baby with facial features for this future purpose. Or I'm just sick and tired of his ego.

10. His 50-song debut album went nowhere and things sure got quiet about the movie Convergence. Now he's got how many? $10k or more investors who bought into the glowing sales pitch promoting a far-more-generous-than-average payback 3 years ago adding up to maybe $500,000 waiting for some return. I remember reading that at the new screenwriter's suggestion, the movie premise was changed to the aftermath of the Dec. 21, 2012 'ascension' rather than the before evidence, and now we're going to know what happens after Dec. 21 sooner than any predictive movie gets finished. And what happened to the 1st round of $250?k besides the 2nd round of $250?k supposedly raised just for the screenwriter?

11. Lastly, it's become glaringly obvious to me that everybody who is regularly on C2C or Rense are among the strongest candidates for disinfo agents, many of whom David cites as close allies - especially Hoagland & Fulford. I strongly suspect that anybody regularly parading around their constant flow of super secret insider leaks that no one else 'has' on major or growingly popular alternative networks and becomes a prominent name in the alternative insider leak business without being silenced are prime suspects.


Anyway, I know many arguments can be made to many of these statements, and I agree that there are provable exceptions and lots of plausible denialies, and I still acknowledge that David dispels fascinating info. I especially often don't know where the line is between truth and manipulation, especially in the archao-meta-science world.

My intention is to lay all the semi-solid pieces of a puzzle I currently see on the table for observation, refrain from conclusions and continue to closely observe to see what puzzle pieces become more solid.

I'd sure like to hear any more puzzle pieces regarding David that's ocurred to anyone, I know I've thought of others that don't come to mind right now.

But the red pills keep coming, don't they?

I think it's time to really ramp up the super-vetting of all messengers and info. I'd sure like to see lots of them sit at the same table and hash out conflicting theories. I'm not hearing any interviewer ask anyone hard, put them on the spot questions.

[OMG]

That works Bill thanks!

[Flash]

Posted by Carmody (here)

Posted by OMG (here)
No disrespect intended but I honestly do not understand this "free ride" or "do all the research youself" mentality. I'm certainly not asking for that.

Surely we can all see that we all don't need to be a specialist, say for example a medical doctor, in order for a medical doctor to summarize complicated information within his feild of specialty so the lay person can understand.

Similarly I am asking anyone who is deeply familiar with David's work, or even David himself, to provide said summary. Any accountable social venue or professional should have such information at hand. As a business man I know this as a fact since my business wouldn't operate without successful social accoutability of my service.

Humbly if I may request that those who can NOT contribute to this end just reframe from posting since it only complicates the matter. This isn't a challenge and I certainly am not trying to instigate retaliation or repress free speech. People can do what they feel they must...it's merely an uncomplicating request.

Cheers!

You are asking me to fill your head with 'facts'.

I refuse, as you yourself should refuse to accept.

You are asking for a free ride, the kind with the greatest cost.

'Dictated to'... has nothing to do with 'learning from'.

The matter is inherently incredibly complex and is only simple once it has been negotiated by the individual. No free rides. No bullet points, no summaries, nothing.

Do the work, or the inquiry is meaningless.

I agree with do the work yourself, otherwise no transformation will occur. Comprehension IS an inner path. And look at others for guidance in Learning, not otherwise.

I went to an exhilarating conference last Friday from one of the scientist who was on the team that discovered the Boson particle (or energy field). He was extremely down to earth and vulgarising to a point where most could understand, but told us at the beginning that he would not lie and not hide through making it too easy, because it ain't.

So he took us from the bottom line theories and the energy fields that have been discovered up to now, to what the Hicks Boson theory is and what has been seen in Cern experiment in 2011. Believe it or not, i had to be real attentive but I pretty much followed and understood.

However, to be able to think further on the matter (pun intended) I will have to do my homework and review and read and think.

I was amazed at how near today's science, when taken in it raw functions of discovering, is parallele and meeting esoteric and spiritual teachings.

I want to make a thread on this, but before, I have to do my homeworks because most here are more able to discuss this than i am for one, and because it deserves it.

[Timewaster]

I remember about 2 or so years ago he was crying on Kerry Cassidy's radio show that he had recieved a death threat, and he had too get some info out within 24hours or he would be killed.

Can anyone tell me what this situation was about?