David Wilcock "The Proof"

[JRS]

Wow, David must currently be on to something important! Threads like this popping up are a signal to me to really pay close attention to what David is posting. It just seems that when Wilcock gets into some really good info, up pops a thread where he gets trashed (and it seems like the same folks do the trashing-just my opinion). They certainly are entitled to their own opinion. However, I do disagree. I see it as being a good time for me to really pay attention to Wilcock! I’ve listened to some of David’s recent interviews-time to listen closely to the rest!

[lucidity]

Posted by OMG (here)
No disrespect intended but I honestly do not understand this "free ride" or "do all the research youself" mentality. I'm certainly not asking for that.

Surely we can all see that we all don't need to be a specialist, say for example a medical doctor, in order for a medical doctor to summarize complicated information within his feild of specialty so the lay person can understand.

Similarly I am asking anyone who is deeply familiar with David's work, or even David himself, to provide said summary. Any accountable social venue or professional should have such information at hand. As a business man I know this as a fact since my business wouldn't operate without successful social accoutability of my service.

Humbly if I may request that those who can NOT contribute to this end just reframe from posting since it only complicates the matter. This isn't a challenge and I certainly am not trying to instigate retaliation or repress free speech. People can do what they feel they must...it's merely an uncomplicating request.

Cheers!

Hi OMG,

I thought your request was reasonable.

Wilcox has been at this game for years and years and so the
body of his 'writings' and 'speakings' is overwhelmingly large.
Asking for others to offer a summary of it seems entirely
reasonable to me.

If someone asked me to translate the phrase 'Uber was denkst du?'
into english. I wouldn't reply that there was "no free rides" and
that you must go away and learn Klingon (ermm... i mean German) ;-)

We're supposed to be a community here, we're supposed to
help each other out and share our views and knowledge.
Come on boys.. where's the love ?

be happy

lucidity :-)

[lucidity]

Posted by JRS (here)
Wow, David must currently be on to something important! Threads like this popping up are a signal to me to really pay close attention to what David is posting. It just seems that when Wilcock gets into some really good info, up pops a thread where he gets trashed (and it seems like the same folks do the trashing-just my opinion). They certainly are entitled to their own opinion. However, I do disagree. I see it as being a good time for me to really pay attention to Wilcock! I’ve listened to some of David’s recent interviews-time to listen closely to the rest!

Hi JRS,

It's funny you should say that...
... i had noticed the same thing about Wilcox bashing.

Does it mean that we have infiltrators on the forum
trying to dissuade us from believing certain things ?
Does it mean Wilcox has been wrong too many times in
the past and is now regarded as a charlatan ?
I don't know... I've not spent enough time with the
Wilcox collected works.

What Wilcox has been saying recently that has been of particular
interest to members of this forum, is that, basically, the
commentary of Ben Fullford ... is correct.... That there's a war
going on between the good guys and the Cabal.
The Cabal are taking a beating and that things are going very
well for the good guys.

Of-course, that doesn't mean it's true.
But his critics can't say it's untrue either.
However, it does make cheerful reading.

be happy

lucidity :-)

[Wind]

David is a great researcher who puts a bit too much emphasis on himself and likes to overdramatize things, that is my feeling about him. Although he seems to be highly intelligent so I wonder why he plays that game, or maybe I actually do know and don't like the answer. These days I'm mostly feeling indifferent about him, if he releases a new book I'll certainly buy it, but I don't really follow his stuff due to the overdramatization thing. His "insiders" could be basically anyone.

[jackovesk]

Posted by JRS (here)
Wow, David must currently be on to something important! Threads like this popping up are a signal to me to really pay close attention to what David is posting. It just seems that when Wilcock gets into some really good info, up pops a thread where he gets trashed (and it seems like the same folks do the trashing-just my opinion). They certainly are entitled to their own opinion. However, I do disagree. I see it as being a good time for me to really pay attention to Wilcock! I’ve listened to some of David’s recent interviews-time to listen closely to the rest!

Even more I can't believe it...

Time to listen closely...

Time to start ((Again)) on your journey towards Truth, is the best advice I can give all Wilcock fans...

[lucidity]

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by JRS (here)
Wow, David must currently be on to something important! Threads like this popping up are a signal to me to really pay close attention to what David is posting. It just seems that when Wilcock gets into some really good info, up pops a thread where he gets trashed (and it seems like the same folks do the trashing-just my opinion). They certainly are entitled to their own opinion. However, I do disagree. I see it as being a good time for me to really pay attention to Wilcock! I’ve listened to some of David’s recent interviews-time to listen closely to the rest!

Even more I can't believe it...

Time to listen closely...

Time to start ((Again)) on your journey towards Truth, is the best advice I can give all Wilcock fans...

Hi Jack,

Go on.. substantiate your claims against Wilcox.
What has he said that's been wrong?
Back it up with references, links etc...
No baseless tantrums that you just don't like him. ;-)

Or are you just jealous of his good looks, charm and intelligence ?
It takes a real man to admit to jealousy,
... and remember we're all adults here ;-)

be happy

lucidity :-)

[M0JFK]

Wilcock entertains Fulford...so say no more.

[eaglespirit]

Not to be 'off topic'...as it may be accepted as rather 'on-topic' by many...

Volunteer at a local soup kitchen for a week...and then,
Take a simple quiet weekend alone and away from it all at Your most treasured nature area.
See and feel the changes You wish to help orchestrate personally.
Be those endearing changes.

And then maybe post a new thought here,
I feel it just may become very new and very uplifting, for All, imho !!!

[jackovesk]

Posted by lucidity (here)

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by JRS (here)
Wow, David must currently be on to something important! Threads like this popping up are a signal to me to really pay close attention to what David is posting. It just seems that when Wilcock gets into some really good info, up pops a thread where he gets trashed (and it seems like the same folks do the trashing-just my opinion). They certainly are entitled to their own opinion. However, I do disagree. I see it as being a good time for me to really pay attention to Wilcock! I’ve listened to some of David’s recent interviews-time to listen closely to the rest!

Even more I can't believe it...

Time to listen closely...

Time to start ((Again)) on your journey towards Truth, is the best advice I can give all Wilcock fans...

Hi Jack,

Go on.. substantiate your claims against Wilcox.
What has he said that's been wrong?
Back it up with references, links etc...
No baseless tantrums that you just don't like him. ;-)

Or are you just jealous of his good looks, charm and intelligence ?
It takes a real man to admit to jealousy,
... and remember we're all adults here ;-)

be happy

lucidity :-)

I'm ((Done)) trying to educate the ignorant..!!!

If you can't work it out for yourself then your destined for failure as a Truthseeker...

PS - Couldn't even be bothered when the ((I Told You So)) factor comes into the equation at a later date...

PSS - In fact, I'm almost done with this forum. It's just not the same as it used to be...

[Shadowself]

My opinion for what it's worth:

David changed immensely when he got to Hollywood.

Something to note and very important to realize when it comes to Hollywood (which I know very well)....ask yourself is he hanging with the "A List group in Hollywood or the B List or below? Because if he were hanging with the A list group I'd pay more attention. In one of these two threads he mentions the direction of certain movies....Like mentioning Iron Man 3. Has he worked inside with these people? Has he worked on or been on set with these characters to know what their up to?

(Mentioned here on this thread and post)

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post937252

Until he can provide proof of what he says and I do believe there is directional content of influence btw.....who is his source to give such analysis?

Again is he working with A list or B list insiders feeding him information. The truth may just surprise you...I know it did me! In fact I just shared some of that information with someone who might just connect some of those dots in the future. I can't...because it's too risky.

Here are some personal photos on the set of Iron Man An A list Movie:

Weapon of Choice?





You really want to taste the future? Via Hollywood? You'd be very surprised.

..are you just jealous of his good looks, charm and intelligence ?

Good looks and charm have nothing to do with it.

REAL inside intelligence has everything to do with it!

Weapon of Choice? Yes...this guy IS really that freaky!

Release Date: March 12, 2001

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7z57qrZU8

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/fatbo...nofchoice.html

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by lucidity (here)

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Posted by JRS (here)
Wow, David must currently be on to something important! Threads like this popping up are a signal to me to really pay close attention to what David is posting. It just seems that when Wilcock gets into some really good info, up pops a thread where he gets trashed (and it seems like the same folks do the trashing-just my opinion). They certainly are entitled to their own opinion. However, I do disagree. I see it as being a good time for me to really pay attention to Wilcock! I’ve listened to some of David’s recent interviews-time to listen closely to the rest!

Even more I can't believe it...

Time to listen closely...

Time to start ((Again)) on your journey towards Truth, is the best advice I can give all Wilcock fans...

Hi Jack,

Go on.. substantiate your claims against Wilcox.
What has he said that's been wrong?
Back it up with references, links etc...
No baseless tantrums that you just don't like him. ;-)

Or are you just jealous of his good looks, charm and intelligence ?
It takes a real man to admit to jealousy,
... and remember we're all adults here ;-)

be happy

lucidity :-)

As I said above, do please read right through these two threads (from beginning to end)...

• Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock

• Critical Analysis of David Wilcock | A Resource for the Awakening Human: David Wilcock and the Real NWO (part 1 and 2)

... and then come back to this thread with (probably) some of your questions answered.

David has, in the briefest summary, been way more than wrong with quite a large amount of stuff.

[swoods_blue]

Bill, you and Kerry worked with David several times. You interviewed him (Part 1 is here, and the rest should be easy to find from there), and he sat in with both of you during the interviews with Pete Peterson and Bill Wood (maybe others as well?). He was also involved in the Awake and Aware conference as a speaker -- though I don't know if he had a role behind the scenes.

So although you indicate that he has shared information you find erroneous, at some point in the past, did you find his contributions to have more value?

What changed? And what was your sense of how earnest he was? In other words, did you discern an agenda?

[Carmody]

IMO that is an unfair question set. And if I was in Bill's situation, with such a thing presented to me, I'd probably refuse to answer it ---for all the right reasons (IMO and IME).

You are asking for determinism, dogma, dismissal or otherwise, to be issued from one person in this system of alternative research, to issue such a 'papal bull', against another in said area of works and research.

And that is pure rubbish and contrary to having researchers, exploration, and changes in our future outlook.

In such innocent looking text.. you are, in effect... pitting one person against the other.

It's called divide and conquer.

This the fundamental reason for my disdain, my barely cloaked disgust for such threads as this one. People are looking for a safe future, free from a need to make actual decisions that come from their discernment and thought processes. The monkey in them is looking for perfections in determined reality in tough situations of complex data.

Asking others to do the work for you is typical monkey talk from the base emotions and hindbrain of a human, and when it comes to growing up and out, it is entirely backward.

If one indulges in this utter horse****, they are bowing to their body's desires (in the essence of thought creation and coloring of thought creation by the body's inherent neural design) for absolute determinism, absolute dogma as a feeling of safety and comfort.

If one does not put in the time and the effort then their answers are worth exactly the same effort they put into finding them. Zero.

[swoods_blue]

Posted by Carmody (here)
IMO that is an unfair question set. And if I was in Bill's situation, with such a thing presented to me, I'd probably refuse to answer it ---for all the right reasons (IMO and IME).

OK, Carmody. I ask this with respect for your position (and I've seen many of your well-written and thoughtful posts), and without trying to be argumentative -- why is that question set unfair? I'm open-minded as to your response, but IMHO, asking someone about their personal experiences -- which are out on the Web for all to see -- seems very fair to me.

[swoods_blue]

Posted by Carmody (here)

And that is pure rubbish and contrary to having researchers, exploration, and changes in our future outlook.

In such innocent looking text.. you are, in effect... pitting one person against the other.

It's called divide and conquer.

Easy, mate -- part of the reason I looked into Wilcock and listened to him was that Bill and Kerry collaborated with him. I imagine I'm not alone in that. I continue to try to understand all the material that's "out there", and that is the purpose of both my question and this entire thread. I'm not trying to sow discord.

[Carmody]

I expanded my post and explained my point further: the understanding that this sort of situation is a circular dead end, which has very little in the way of positive outcome, if the depth of it is not understood.

Truthfully, the human body couches all input-output in the expression and color of determinism, as that is how your autonomous system functions. It absolutely detests any form of unsure or complex decision making in the realm of safety and future safety, imagined or real, and forces a system of determinism in the process of thought creation (as that is what it, the body, the thought vehicle --is) and execution of said thoughts, in all ways.

[Zionbrion]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=swHTmEXsCC4

[ceetee9]

Excellent assessment buares.

I'm sorry, I missed that the assessment was actually "waves" assessment that you included in your post. I had not seen it before and realized it was "waves" when I saw it in one of Bill's links. Regardless, thank you for re-posting it.

As someone pointed out, few, if any of us, have the kind of free time it would take to extensively research all of this insanity so I, for one, appreciate the work others share of their findings and opinions--not to adopt someone else's opinion on a given subject, but to help me determine what subjects of interest I might prefer to put my limited time into deeper research.

[OMG]

Boy, there are all sorts of things going on here...we are ALL family so I desire for us all to do our best to spread love, tolerance and understanding.

The reason I started this thread was because a good friend of mine was bringing up Wilcock a lot, and his stuff kept popping up around me. I've watched him and read his stuff on and off for years and due to a combination of synchroniciies I decided to post what I did. I honestly thought my post was reasonable and none argumentative and I certainly am not trying to ditch David or start trouble. I find it disheartening how people seem to get off topic or start conflicts with each other, but that seems to be how forums (and life) works.

As I was reading the responses I almost abandoned this thread and wasn't gong to write anymore because I felt VERY uncomfortable. I don't like conflict but this doesn't mean I won't stand up for what I feel is right. Yet sometimes things here seem to take on a life of there own, similar to how groups of people can turn into mobs, although not exactly...but I'm sure you can catch my drift.

I know we deal with conspiracies here and none of you know me...but that aside the questions I put forth are rational and shouldn't provoke some hidden agenda or trouble on my part. So I am troubled by attempts to cast conspiracy on everything. And a similar thing that disturbs me is when I read about David (or others) being brainwashed or chipped and that's why they do what they do. The common denominator is such theories is that they facilitate distrust and suspicion on others with NO WAY to be verified. And since humans tend to distrust over trust those they don't know you end with a degradation type system.

I think the MOST important thing we can do is share and express LOVE with each other. However, this doesn't mean to be gullible and tolerant to the point of submission to hostile forces. Looking at life as moral relativism, or promoting insolvable debates is NOT an effective social condition. Yes, we are ALL sovereign individuals and maybe the ideal world/dimension is one where we are the first and final say in everything. But as I see it our reality is a social reality and demands mutual soverign respect and dignity. As such, we should NOT promote insolvable agendas without a humble caveat admitting to our ignorance and hope for understanding.

IT'S ALL ABOUT UNDERSTANDING AND KNOWING...so in the mean time let us love and tolerate each other while we explore how to come into KNOWING, both personally and socially.

Peace my friends and thank you ALL for contributing although only a few actually provided information that was requested.

[Shadowself]

I know we deal with conspiracies here and none of you know me...but that aside the questions I put forth are rational and shouldn't provoke some hidden agenda or trouble on my part. So I am troubled by attempts to cast conspiracy on everything.

Isn't Conspiracy the subject matter of most of David's work lately?