David Wilcock "The Proof"

[Carmody]

Hell, your body is a conspiracy, one to keep your world dogmatic. It's inherent in the creation of thought as the body's first line of defense.

That's the why of the line 'seek detachment'.

From what?

'Your body, fool!', as Mr T would say.

No looky inward = no looky outward.

[OMG]

Hi "Shadowself"

I wasn't suggesting David isn't part of some conspiracy, maybe he is. I was attempting to suggest that I wasn't starting this thread as some instigator or conspirator. Also, I feel that REAL solutions don't result in hovering in the realm of ambiguity continually and casting suspcions indefinitely without answers.

Thank you

[M0JFK]

Wilcocks science work is impeccable you cant knock that. But his alignment with Fulford puts me off the guy now. I don't listen to a word he says anymore unless its on science of course.

[JRS]

Hi OMG. I’ll take you at your word that you are not “some instigator or conspirator”. I’d like to address your last statement in your original post: “Or does he just offer theories and hope?” My answer is “Far from it-He offers a lot of evidence and science that should not be ignored”. I’ll give you one example of David’s work that I don’t think you will find anywhere else. It will take you less than 2 hours. The topic is “Rainbow Body”.

Go to Gaiamtv.com and sign up for a free 10 day trial. This should take less than 10 minutes. go to David’s series “Wisdom Teachings” and watch episode 66. The shows are only 30 minutes. The show concerns a trip taken by Fr. Tiso, paid for by the Institute of Noetic Sciences, to investigate the “Rainbow Body” phenomenon. It is very interesting! Wilcock says that Fr. Tiso’s conclusion is that the rainbow body phenomenon is real. Now maybe you are thinking to yourself that David is full of crap-he is lying.

Then go to the Institute of Noetic Sciences website (www.noetic.org) and use their fine search engine-search “Tiso”. You will find a lecture by Fr. Tiso about the phenomenon. The lecture is a little over an hour. Listen to it. He relates the Rainbow Body phenomenon to the events reported around the time of Jesus’ death. If you don’t want to listen to the whole thing, just listen to the first 10 minutes or so and you should conclude that Fr. Tiso does consider the “Rainbow Body” phenomenon to be real because he was there and is an eyewitness.

Like I said, I don’t think you will find some of David’s info anywhere else. If I was to put a list of “bullet points” of Wilcock’s work it would be way too long. I would suggest you start with David’s two books, Source Field and Synchronicity Key. Both are available on Amazon for less than $10 each.

Concerning David’s whole body of work, some folks at Avalon have stated “don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater!” I agree with this wholeheartedly! Have fun investigating this! But be careful, Wilcock has over 60 hours of his Wisdom Teachings show and has a new show, DisclosureTruth, on Gaiam. His first four guests are Graham Hancock, John Anthony West, Robert Bauval, and Andrew Collins. Interesting topics and guests and free for 10 days, but be careful, you may invest much more time in David's work than you anticipated!

[Snoweagle]

I must apologise for my initial castigation at seeking the research of others especially over the new "lush" of the alternative media. It wasn't my intention to start a firestorm, though @OMG, the material that David extolls now appears to be bought and paid for media moguls steering his influence toward a younger generation, which is most frustrating and disappointing for researchers that have spent many years exploring the work and experiences of knowledgeable sources.

To assist your research may I recommend the golden boy of the alternative media Mr Jordan Maxwell or any of the following as a first step or continuance of your current interests: Graham Hancock, Lawrence Gardner, Michael Tsarion, Eric Von daniken who will open the door to the "mysteries" of the past. But these are just starters, these stand at a doorway with an open door for investigators.

Alternatively, in the field of science, The Electric Universe, Prof Alexander Thom, Dr Konstantin Meyl, Prof Eric Dollard and Col Bearden. Again, these are just for starters.

The archive here at Avalon is packed with the reference material you seek but even here you will be directed to a plethora of other websites and sources though supported by lively debate amongst the community.

I couldn't possibly end this post any more vibrantly than this extremely wise post @Eaglespirit, as this comment summarises where eventually, after due diligence on your study, where you will be. I hope:-)

Posted by eaglespirit (here)
Not to be 'off topic'...as it may be accepted as rather 'on-topic' by many...

Volunteer at a local soup kitchen for a week...and then,
Take a simple quiet weekend alone and away from it all at Your most treasured nature area.
See and feel the changes You wish to help orchestrate personally.
Be those endearing changes.

And then maybe post a new thought here,
I feel it just may become very new and very uplifting, for All, imho !!!

Awesome comment:-)

David Wilcox started well, we all congregated to his work as it appeared relevant and assisted many moving forward but he changed, his alternative media model changed and so did his impact to a burgeoning youth interest. He is somewhat controversial these days with his mannequin monocled monologue.

[Hawkwind]

Carmody all of your posts to this thread seem to me uncharacteristic of your usual tone and demeanor. Assuming that your account hasn't been hijacked by someone, what's up?

[Mike]

Posted by Carmody (here)
IMO that is an unfair question set. And if I was in Bill's situation, with such a thing presented to me, I'd probably refuse to answer it ---for all the right reasons (IMO and IME).

You are asking for determinism, dogma, dismissal or otherwise, to be issued from one person in this system of alternative research, to issue such a 'papal bull', against another in said area of works and research.

And that is pure rubbish and contrary to having researchers, exploration, and changes in our future outlook.

In such innocent looking text.. you are, in effect... pitting one person against the other.

It's called divide and conquer.

This the fundamental reason for my disdain, my barely cloaked disgust for such threads as this one. People are looking for a safe future, free from a need to make actual decisions that come from their discernment and thought processes. The monkey in them is looking for perfections in determined reality in tough situations of complex data.

Asking others to do the work for you is typical monkey talk from the base emotions and hindbrain of a human, and when it comes to growing up and out, it is entirely backward.

If one indulges in this utter horse****, they are bowing to their body's desires (in the essence of thought creation and coloring of thought creation by the body's inherent neural design) for absolute determinism, absolute dogma as a feeling of safety and comfort.

If one does not put in the time and the effort then their answers are worth exactly the same effort they put into finding them. Zero.

Dude everything is an unfair question set to you. if my life depended on discovering your favorite color, I wouldn't even bother asking. I think id rather die than read another one of your windy, endlessly pompous non-answers. Just think: with all that energy you've spent patronizing the posters here, you could have started 2 maybe 3 more pointless threads on why you find answering basic questions to be so offensive to your alleged intellect. It would be a neat little place where you and others like you could give long, profoundly pretentious explanations as to why you all refuse to answer each others inquiries. Think of all the fun to be had!

Get over yourself. You're not helping.

See, I prefer the direct approach.

[Agape]

Personally , I am not sure of 'bullet points' ( other than David could possibly name since I've not studied his work ) but .. my impression of those teaching on his level is like giant processor of various ( non exclusive in this case ) information ,
expansion of thinking process and fitting all those various loose pieces to 'some place' ( sometimes this seems to be momentarily the fittest placement other times not ) .

The goodness of his work as I see it ( from distance ) is that wisdom , spirituality and critical thinking are all considered and remain on top .
It's largely an intuitive process ..but as can be seen here , and also many others in the field , most of the information pieces come from outer source and are being incorporated to the 'field' , 'explained' - sometimes that's not possible unless the original sources are available .

On the wisdom path often less predictions you make further you can proceed or better to say , higher you 'ascend' those very worldly events become truly less important ,
in most cases .
Expansion of thinking and consciousness is great in one way but the other polarity missed so often is focused , methodical approach . Now , you may say we did not get too far with the scientific method devoid of greater intuition and it's true in one way,
the other part is that once you make too many predictions - or even conclusions - that can't be proved you become sort of trapped in your ( even if ascended ) version of reality .
It's basically what religions do and way how plenty of big religious systems evolved in past , trying to create 'higher matrix' where information could be stored and linked together and explained on 'another level' .

There are plenty of such systems and there will be yet in future .. like giant kaleidoscope because this is about evolution of consciousness and the idea itself is far reaching and goes beyond what any times and society can process ,

what remains to say is that there's no 'final step' to be taken any soon .

The evolution of consciousness ( rather than 'evolution of thought' as we used to say ) has to continue , since we are speaking of complex systems with multiple and multileveled resources and very rarely someone gets things just right.
Even if you do explaining it to others turns impossible since they can't all surpass their own evolution etc.

The only criterium with such teachers/writers for me remains whether they are wise and inspirational ( rather than conspiracy oriented ) and stopper would probably be a claim of some capital nonsense .

Other than this , it's 'serve yourself' - and others ' best as you can , in my opinion.

[Kristin]

In the spirit of people having a conversation, we will give this thread one last chance to get back to topic before we simply close it due to people being less then respectful. We can and DO do better then this. Let's take a breather and move forward with our best intentions at having a conversation. Please and thank you.

From the Heart,
Kristin

[gripreaper]

Posted by JRS (here)
I’ll give you one example of David’s work that I don’t think you will find anywhere else. It will take you less than 2 hours. The topic is “Rainbow Body”.

The gnostic teachings have been around for centuries and have been taught by many cultures. The path of the initiate in Egypt, the teachings of the Essene's during Roman times, and a host of others too numerous to mention. Here in the last century, Yogananda brought these teachings to America and a host of modalities sprang forth from the teachings of the rainbow body.

In my opinion, it is a subjective viewpoint that these teachings came from David Wilcock, and my experience could not be further from this conjecture.

[lucidity]

[QUOTE=jackovesk;938602]

Posted by lucidity (here)

Posted by jackovesk (here)

Hi Jack,

Go on.. substantiate your claims against Wilcox.
What has he said that's been wrong?
Back it up with references, links etc...
No baseless tantrums that you just don't like him. ;-)

Or are you just jealous of his good looks, charm and intelligence ?
It takes a real man to admit to jealousy,
... and remember we're all adults here ;-)

be happy

lucidity :-)

I'm ((Done)) trying to educate the ignorant..!!!

If you can't work it out for yourself then your destined for failure as a Truthseeker...

PS - Couldn't even be bothered when the ((I Told You So)) factor comes into the equation at a later date...

PSS - In fact, I'm almost done with this forum. It's just not the same as it used to be...

Hi Jack,

As i understand it.... either:
(a) For whatever shoddy motives, you're trying to smear Wilcox's
reputation with baseless insinuations (again)...
....or....
(b) You're not as young as you used to be an putting
together a coherent argument is well... a bit daunting.

No problem, we're all human and none of us are getting
any younger.

be happy

lucidity :-)

[Agape]

Posted by gripreaper (here)

Posted by JRS (here)
I’ll give you one example of David’s work that I don’t think you will find anywhere else. It will take you less than 2 hours. The topic is “Rainbow Body”.

The gnostic teachings have been around for centuries and have been taught by many cultures. The path of the initiate in Egypt, the teachings of the Essene's during Roman times, and a host of others too numerous to mention. Here in the last century, Yogananda brought these teachings to America and a host of modalities sprang forth from the teachings of the rainbow body.

In my opinion, it is a subjective viewpoint that these teachings came from David Wilcock, and my experience could not be further from this conjecture.

True and /but the difference between authentic , original ( and very ancient ) gnostic/esoteric traditions some of which survived to this day , mostly hidden from 'preying eyes' of 'wanting public' and the new age teachings
is that the path ( and its information - gnosis ) was guided from student to various levels of aptitude , and its methods of teaching and learning was meant to be adjusted to individual qualities of the student and the master .
From the one-to-one unique methodology and when it 'leaked out' in form public teachings , much later anything was allowed to be written down ,
such as 'basic principles' or 'instructions' and those were kept to essentials to avoid their misuse ..or deliberate use for any purpose such instructions and teachings may serve .

Now with 'new age' wisdom teachings everything is 'available' at once , all the information from start to the end ( vis the 'rainbow body' which is very rare attainment and always was ..and the 'end instructions' for this practice are still kept rather under the table with very few masters who received the practice from an unbroken lineage and so forth ) ,
everyone can read and hear about it , very few people teach individually, the teachings are given to masses of people - most of whom lack the basic idea and practical experience ( that's an observed fact ) . So many get the impression that these are 'common phenomena' and common and uncommon get so mixed , and information overload is the 'name of the day' so that very few people care to follow the practice far enough to find out what's real and not .

There's no way that authentic masters would ever give students answers or 'all the answers' , they rather sent them to find truth by their own diligent effort .

It's kind of 'transposition' of information taking place , or an attempt for , in todays world and not always it plays out quite well .

[SKAWF]

Posted by lucidity (here)

Hi Jack,

As i understand it.... either:
(a) For whatever shoddy motives, you're trying to smear Wilcox's
reputation with baseless insinuations (again)...
....or....
(b) You're not as young as you used to be an putting
together a coherent argument is well... a bit daunting.

No problem, we're all human and none of us are getting
any younger.

be happy

lucidity :-)

the thing is, as i see it....

you are a fan of wilcock

and because some members are putting voice to some long standing experiences around david,
and the views which are expressed are somewhat negative...

that it runs counter to your own beliefs.

this (as i have quoted above) has led you to express your 'understanding'
that jackovesk is either smearing david for shoddy reasons, or
that jackovesk is suffering the effects of senility.

are there no other alternatives which might also be probable?

it has also been said that threads which cast doubt upon david seem to occur at a time when david,
is working on another epic piece of work....

to my mind, this is more due to the fact that there is a steady flow of people who are waking up all the time.
and while searching, they encounter wilcock and his erm.... work.
over time they begin to doubt wilcock, and express that doubt on various forums.
as wilcock is always producing work, and as people are expressing doubt over his work,
it follows that there will be numerous times when doubt will be expressed just as another piece of work is released.

there are people on this forum who have been here a long while, most of whom
have looked into wilcock and his work, and reached their own conclusions.

bill has mentioned two threads for reference..

there have been many more than that over the years!!,
so if some members seem a little erm.... jaded where wilcock is concerned,
its because they have seen threads like this time and time again.


i am also someone who doubts wilcock.

my reasons are that he lacks humility, he is shamelessly egotistic, he praises his own work,
he attempts to use accounts of his own experience as evidence to back up his claims,
and in nearly every respect his claims have been incorrect.

s'alright though...

the good thing about opinions and advice is, you are free to ignore it if you want to!

[Gardener]

Just to add something from Walter Russell which may or may not help anyone struggling with the concept of 'do your own research'
or its seeming opposite 'asking for help' (also in defence of Carmody and OMG) even though they don't need my defence lol.

[...Man lives in a bewildering complex world of EFFECT of which he knows not the CAUSE. Because of its seemingly infinite multiplicity and complexity, he fails to vision the simple underlying principle of Balance in all things. He therefore complexes Truth until its many angles, sides and facets have lost balance with each other and with him....]
The great unanswered question of man has a simple
answer. The Silent Voice within every man is ceaselessly
whispering it to his awakening consciousness. Every
desire written upon the heart of man is carried to the
Source, and its answer will come, but few there are who
ask comprehensively and fewer still who hear.
Many are the ages of preparation for worthiness to
hear it, for man's consciousness is insulated from his
Source by the sensations of his electrically conditioned
body which he wrongly thinks of as being his Mind and
his personal Self.
What he calls his objective human mind isbut the
seat of electric sensations of his body. What he mistakes
for thinking is but an electric awareness of things sensed
and recorded within the cells of his brain for repetitive
usage through what is termed "memories." Memories
have no more relation to knowledge of Universal Mind
which is in man than Victrola records are related to the
source of their recordings.
What he thinks of as his living body is but an electrically
motivated machine which simulates life.....]

Its is the asking and searching, listening and hearing within, whilst also doing the same in the outer, continuously refining and recognising the electrical or kneejerk response from the quiet voice of the still magnetic light of source/god/universe or whatever your personal label happens to be.

[OMG]

I've been listening to several of David's videos lately. And as I have already noted he certainly is a very likable, positive oriented guy who seems authentic. His message is like mind-candy. But I'd have to study him more closely to determine if the candy he is putting out there actually does anything or if it's like video games to kids where they get plenty of stimulation, information, diversity and even a sense of accomplishment, but in the end they aren't doing anything except playing a video game, going nowhere and accomplishing nothing... If you catch my drift...

p.s. Also since this keeps popping up for me I thought I would inquire. Almost simultaneously to posting this thread I randomly came upon a link written by William Cooper http://www.hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm

In it he says, "All so-called leaks are intentional misinformation projects..." and identifies various personalities and friends of Wilcock's, all of whom I listen to and generally find likeable. People such as Art Bell, Whitley Strieber, Linda Moultan Howe, Richard Hoagland, etc. And I heard something similar about George Noorey from C2C. One thing that strikes me is Bill Cooper (and others that remind me of him like Phil Schneider) are dead while these other people are not and in many cases seem to be prospering. Does something about this seem a bit odd?


p.p.s Finally what is this about blonde hair blue eyed people being easily brain washed while darker skin people are not? I heard Stewart Swerdlow say this yesterday on an old YouTube video and also read a reference to it in these post regarding David Wilcock. And about a month ago I saw a very disturbing video about how TPTB are trying to promote genocide on the Caucasian race, such as showing statistical facts of who minorities are taking over. And curiously when you mix races the blonde hair blue eye gene's seem recessive...

So much for my alien Avatar here...LOL...that's an odd coincidence eh...

[Carmody]

The problem with Bill Cooper is the same as the problem that some perceive as David having.

That bill was nuts and ultimately, quite paranoid. David being seen by some as just, well, not of a central collective behaviour. Ahem.

However, insanity is a group consensus issue thrust upon 'other', so it should be taken with a grain of salt, IMO and IME.

[magnum]

there is OBVIOUS proof that much of wilcocks work is NOT accurate..we didn't all ascend into a higher dimension in 2012...people's memories seem to be very short..he spent many years trying to convince people through his "scientific" theories that we would all ascend in 2012...oh yeah,and "disclosure" in the way Wilcock means it has NOT happened either...so his insiders and theories on that haven't panned out either.

Go back to any of his major presentations in the years before 2012 and watch..PROOF that a very large chunk of Wilcocks work and theory is BS.

here's one http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/d...12eventhorizon

Why can't people see the OBVIOUS?

Considering Wilcock has such a large audience,can you see that the COMPLACENY programming he has seeded into these people, through his mass ascension and disclosure theories, is a very negative thing?..for some people this programming works at subtle levels,for others not so subtle..

[David Ansible]

Posted by Carmody (here)
The problem with Bill Cooper is the same as the problem that some perceive as David having.

That bill was nuts and ultimately, quite paranoid. David being seen by some as just, well, not of a central collective behaviour. Ahem.

However, insanity is a group consensus issue thrust upon 'other', so it should be taken with a grain of salt, IMO and IME.

Was Cooper "paranoid" or did he actually get shot ...
How is it "paranoia" when "they" apparently were really out to get him?

[East Sun]

OMG,

I've been listening to several of David's videos lately. And as I have already noted he certainly is a very likable, positive oriented guy who seems authentic. His message is like mind-candy. But I'd have to study him more closely to determine if the candy he is putting out there actually does anything ....

Hope I did that right.... No I didn't.....sorry!

OMG, I would like to recommend a book and hope no one has already recommended it. It's entitled. "The Tibetan book of Living and Dying" by Sogyal Rinpochi(sp)
It is the translation of "The Tibetan Book of the Dead" and goes into great detail on the 'Rainbow Body.' Extremely informative.
ES

[East Sun]

Maybe it isn't that blond haired people are more easily brainwashed but that they are more intuitive and can see beyond the 'barrier.'