Dark Matter - to be evoked(?) by CERN's Large Hadron Machine

[Bob]

Post 13 and dark matter has nothing to do with Nichola Tesla. This thread and its topic is about Dark Matter experimentation, and in this case CERN's experiment to look for it. I will discuss other Dark Matter/Energy detectors, and experiments relevant to the topic in this thread to STAY ON TOPIC.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post941544

That post details a constructive use for Dark Matter/Energy and is about the Casmir effect and using Dark Energy and the vacuum fluctuations. Configured properly (with no Tesla resonance effects) it would provide perpetual energy without having to pump the earth or any other system. It is truly a zero point engine and extraction system.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Posted by Bob (here)
Post 13 and dark matter has nothing to do with Nichola Tesla. This thread and its topic is about Dark Matter experimentation, and in this case CERN's experiment to look for it. I will discuss other Dark Matter/Energy detectors, and experiments relevant to the topic in this thread to STAY ON TOPIC.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post941544

That post details a constructive use for Dark Matter/Energy and is about the Casmir effect and using Dark Energy and the vacuum fluctuations. Configured properly (with no Tesla resonance effects) it would provide perpetual energy without having to pump the earth or any other system. It is truly a zero point engine and extraction system.

Well Bob, the problem is, a few months back in an unrelated thread that you were NOT the author of,
you heavily heavily criticized and attempted to censor and silence my opinions about HAARP and plasma antennas.
I considered my research to be timely and well-thought, but you attacked me and said I was wrong and my posts were unrelated.

We were discussing possible reasons the HAARP contract had been re-assigned (the others in the thread),
and all you could do was tell me how wrong I was.


I have the right to present alternative opinions, especially if I can find scientists willing to point out the facts of what causes me to believe that way.

P.s. i researched some of what you told me about dolphin behavior and found it was 100% wrong when compared to the studies...
so someone is wrong... you told me that male dolphins run the society and keep "harems" when the actual scientists wrote that older females run the pods...

I just don't see how someone who makes strange/outlandish assertions about sexuality and dominance could expect to be treated as infallible or "always right".


If he didn't know about Dark Matter how do you explain Tesla's zero point experiments?

P.s. why Dark Matter research on earth and not in space harbors extreme risk:

Dangers[edit]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strangelet#Dangers


If the strange matter hypothesis is correct and its surface tension is larger than the aforementioned critical value, then a larger strangelet would be more stable than a smaller one. One speculation that has resulted from the idea is that a strangelet coming into contact with a lump of ordinary matter could convert the ordinary matter to strange matter.[13][14] This "ice-nine"-like disaster scenario is as follows: one strangelet hits a nucleus, catalyzing its immediate conversion to strange matter. This liberates energy, producing a larger, more stable strangelet, which in turn hits another nucleus, catalyzing its conversion to strange matter. In the end, all the nuclei of all the atoms of Earth are converted, and Earth is reduced to a hot, large lump of strange matter.

This is not a concern for strangelets in cosmic rays because they are produced far from Earth and have had time to decay to their ground state, which is predicted by most models to be positively charged, so they are electrostatically repelled by nuclei, and would rarely merge with them.[15][16] But high-energy collisions could produce negatively charged strangelet states which live long enough to interact with the nuclei of ordinary matter.[17]

The danger of catalyzed conversion by strangelets produced in heavy-ion colliders has received some media attention,[18][19] and concerns of this type were raised[13][20] at the commencement of the Relativistic Heavy Ion Collider (RHIC) experiment at Brookhaven, which could potentially have created strangelets. A detailed analysis[14] concluded that the RHIC collisions were comparable to ones which naturally occur as cosmic rays traverse the solar system, so we would already have seen such a disaster if it were possible. RHIC has been operating since 2000 without incident. Similar concerns have been raised about the operation of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN[21] but such fears are dismissed as far-fetched by scientists.[21][22][23]

In the case of a neutron star, the conversion scenario seems much more plausible. A neutron star is in a sense a giant nucleus (20 km across), held together by gravity, but it is electrically neutral and so does not electrostatically repel strangelets. If a strangelet hit a neutron star, it could convert a small region of it, and that region would grow to consume the entire star, creating a quark star.[24]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice-nine

Ice-nine is a fictional material appearing in Kurt Vonnegut's novel Cat's Cradle. Ice-nine is supposedly a polymorph of water more stable than common ice (Ice Ih); instead of melting at 0 °C (32 °F), it melts at 45.8 °C (114.4 °F). When ice-nine comes into contact with liquid water below 45.8 °C (thus effectively becoming supercooled), it acts as a seed crystal and causes the solidification of the entire body of water, which quickly crystallizes as more ice-nine. As people are mostly water, ice-nine kills nearly instantly when ingested or brought into contact with soft tissues exposed to the bloodstream, such as the eyes.

In the story, it is developed by the Manhattan Project in order for the Marines to no longer need to deal with mud, but abandoned when it becomes clear that any quantity of it would have the power to destroy all life on earth. A global catastrophe involving freezing the world's oceans with ice-nine is used as a plot device in Vonnegut's novel.

Other people have already pointed out the risks and of course many modern people stupidly ignore the warnings.
I don't think being gung-ho about something so dangerous reflects much thought on the matter at all.


It was men like this who built the BOMB...

[heyokah]

I'd like to crosspost a reply I made in the "Should Humanity Be Con-CERN-ED?" thread some weeks ago.

Posted by heyokah (here)
CERN’s Large Hadron Collider will start working again in March

The particle collider, which has undergone a $151 million upgrade, will resume circulating proton beams in March and expects the first collision to occur in May 2015.
It will be able to function at double its previous power, which will help physicists gain a deeper understanding of the Universe, including dark matter and dark energy.........
Dark as Dark can be??

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In the graphs, developed in detail in the different posts of this web, we show the 3 distinctive Life extinction events that the Large Hadron Collider – a quark cannon that throws bullets of the densest, most explosive material of the Universe, quark condensates – can cause, once it is put on line at double potency in Spring 2015, over the 10 Tev barrier of creation of dark matter - the theoretical minimal energy of formation of a ‘bag of strangelets’ and ‘micro-black holes’.

- Creation of baby black holes that do not evaporate, either as top quark condensates (Einstein’s famous frozen stars) or string stars with higher dimensionality. This risk has been overblown by media, since it is less likely and black hole theory has still a ‘mythic, speculative’ side that allowed them to divert attention from the truly, well-proved, scientific catastrophe:

- Creation of strangelets – lumps of strange quarks shown to be very common in the Universe, as all pulsars seems to be frozen, strange quark stars. This risk is absolute, meaning that according to the ‘Totalitarian Principle’ of physics, all particles that can theoretically happen will happen. And strange quark matter will theoretically happen, since the LHC is merely beyond ‘speculative theories’ a quark cannon, which produces massive quantities of strange quarks at high energy regimes.

Now, a strangelet is nothing strange, it is merely a ‘lump of strange quarks’. And we know those lumps of strange quarks, once formed devour our lighter, simpler up and down quarks.

And as it happens, the LHC is just a ‘quark cannon that produces lumps of strange quarks, strangelets. The LHC is a cyclical, ‘never-ending’ cannon barrel, that accelerates lead ion ‘bullets’ every cycle, the heaviest non-radioactive atom with more quarks, with two purposes: to increase the mass of those quarks transforming them into ‘strange quarks’, and then collide them to make ‘strangelets’, strange quark condensates.

The LHC is JUST A FACTORY of strangelets, and so when it goes on line at full potency, will just mass produce strangelets

Thus strangelets will be made at CERN between 2015 and 2020 on collisions over 10 Tev. Then those strangelets will fall to the center of the Earth undetected (which will excuse CERN from responsibility, AS IT will deny it produced them till the end), and it will eat up the Earth inside out, till it converts it into a 15 km. strangelet rock.

- Finally the magnetic field of the LHC, the strongest on planet Earth, which cause disturbances on the Earth’s magnetic field, cause of Earthquakes that have increased till record numbers, similar to those of II World War during the carpet bombing of the pacific seismic ‘ring of fire’, since the machine was put on line in a continuous growth that made April 2014, the all time record for this month.

Any of those 3 scenarios should have deterred CERN’s physicists and its political backers, from upgrading the machine to double potency in 2015, but physicists and the P.R.ess considers the issue closed and prefer wishful thinking to ethic and social responsibility.

Read further
https://cerntruth.wordpress.com

[Gardener]

So Bob, what do you think dark matter is? Does anyone know?

[Bob]

Posted by Gardener (here)
So Bob, what do you think dark matter is? Does anyone know?

Hi Gardener - I like this reply which I believe to be accurate.
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post904265

GhostRider makes some good observations.. This is the part which I agree with..

the secret will unlock how to harness the energy of space for propulsion in spaceships , using dark matter , dark energy , sub neutrinos , quarks , etc ... put a hulu hoop inside a slightly smaller one , and another inside of that , and another inside of that , keep going till you get seven rings , hence the disk shape is best for installing the hyperdrive in the craft ... particles moving one direction very near the tube of particles moving the other direction , and so on , they will be an exchange of gravity and a field , match the frequency to that of earth , and your floating on earth's magnetic wave and shielding yourself from radiation in the process ... every wonder why most ET craft are disk shaped ??? A tiny version of CERN used as a spaceship engine , you can go anywhere without running out of fuel ... controlling the speed of the particles is the key , not smashing them together

The rings within rings concept is interesting, if the machine is evoking dark matter, it could be a way to shape dark matter to open up the desired space warps. but it supposes that dark matter would be being created at all points in the rings.. I dunno if they can configure the colliders that way though.. As is, at best 40 collisions per second of infinitesimal mass are combined... hardly a good opening of space time.. BUT the point is to research HOW to find a way to produce it in quantity I believe.

Would they weaponize? Historically military has always wanted a bigger bang for the buck.. Could they make a dark matter, dark energy bomb? Dunno, instantaneous release of ALL the energy is needed to be an effective weapon, else, it would be like a controlled release of gasoline into an engine (old school), or a controlled release of amps of energy into an electrical motor, (new school)..

I think the hyped concern, for such a minuscule reaction is unwarranted and unfair to people who are reaching for solutions for energy shortage, transportation issues (fuel manipulation and shortage)... I don't think the lay public would give one iota about time travel, but that could be a side effect of the proper configuration of the dark matter fields.. About conventional matter creation, quite possible like in food replicators could be possible..

To not do the research would be tragic in my opinion. There is no indication from the existing experimentation that colliding 15 mosquitoes worth of energy (the actual proton mass times the momentum and speed) 40 times in 10 hours is going to harm anything.. The common sense understanding is over 100 times that amount of energy hits every day from proton proton cosmic rays on the earths upper atmosphere, and we are still here, and we are not damaged, there is no black holes from even 100 X the LHC experiments power levels..

In the OP "dark matter? One idea is that it could contain "supersymmetric particles" – hypothesized particles that are partners to those already known in the Standard Model."

In post 14 and 16 I talk about the different types of STANDARD MATTER (as explained in the Standard theory).. The Dark Matter is being hypothesised as a HIGHER SET of particles, with potentially a stronger effect..

What perplexes me is why is there repulsion, unless there is some type of dimensional spin difference in the darkmatter particles.. Not anti-matter (opposite polarity), but like an anti-gravity property, an opposite gravity well curve.. Immediately understanding that, a way to cancel gravity should show that one can STOP entropy, or losses - nothing bleeds away the charges holding matter together.. So that's kinda why the physicists who are into understanding SUPER-SYMMETRY say, dark matter/energy IS keeping the universe from collapsing in on itself..

As to the power potential capability - any time there can be a polarity of stresses held opposed to each other, there is a potential for work-force.. or a battery in the simplest terms can be evoked.. The ultimate battery would be MATTER | DARKMATTER and thusly potentially perpetual motion.. perpetual energy..

That's where it gets exciting, as GhostRider observed.. simple simple simple.. and LHC can make all the money groups playing with shortage manipulation get awfully upset that the old system would collapse.. So when I see the arguments to shut down LHC I ask who would benefit - the money manipulators and shortage manipulators.. they are for control and slavery.. they are the groups the build the bombs.. to enslave and threat.. a group offering actual free energy results, teleportation, time travel, anti-gravity, matter replication.... that is a new age transition... Anyone with good skill could guide this past scarcity manipulation and into abundance.. THAT is why I am moved by seeing this basic research happen..

Here is the supersmmetry and standard particle example graphic.. The dark matter particles are like mirrors in this graphic suggestion.. Is it that? Only experiment will prove it one way or another:

[Gardener]

Thanks Bob, and I do get where you are coming from (re experimenting), and I like ghostriders elegant hula hoops which is somewhat more continuous rather than momentarily colliding gnats at great speed. I have concerns I have to admit it, in my current thoughts on the LHC. Somewhere in all of this is consciousness, we aren't there yet, well some might be, which I doubt includes the cern scientists. Dark matter/energy is outside our perception for now, which might be so for a good reason, but there again so is electricity I suppose until its effects are manifest.
But there is a paradox too; we are led to believe the anti-gravity tech is already being secretly utilised, and also possibly zeropint energy so what then is the purpose starting baby class at cern in hopes of discovery. Unless of course it is to 'usher in the tech' so there doesn't have to be any explanations about 'disclosure' of what we were never told.

Can't find who said it but (paraphrased) 'Man in his infinite wisdom will come remarkably close to suicide..'
Ok its late I might be dreaming

[Bob]

Those are great words Gardener, spoken with head and heart, mind and spirit.. kinda where I had hoped many scientists have been willing to enter into. My belief is to reach em, we have to look at example, finding a heart and head synergy and balance.. In my signature message, and I believe it, From Within A loving Heart all Knowledge is Possible was the bridge I made early in the 80's, then again later in the '80's and beginning of the '90's.. And on doing that much more technological skill appeared when it was focused on "service to humanity", more so than service to the military or the big money..

Scientists though are out of school, having been taught party line from the prestigious university, and achieved some nice doctoral work again under a "mentor" having also toed the party line to keep funding coming in. It doesn't change except for the rebels who have explored heart AND head, and kept both together, balanced. Keeping the "light on" for transformation comes from being able to be in the same wavelength as those who are "unreachable" by normal means of logic and conveying through feeling plus logic.. In other words, the "frequencies" and the modulation are correct.. What happens then is 'they grock it', and spontaneous transformation happens..

It's not hard whence one has learned the "tuning".

I'm not worried about the technology. nor what basic particles what few of them they will create. The testing apparatus is crude, and massive and although I feel the immensity of the significance of the particles being looked at, they just won't have enough of them to be seriously dangerous.. I feel what is seriously dangerous are emotion people who don't understand the technology and have gotten anything they think they can convey their sentiments through places that have an agenda to stop progress. That's just a feeling but one can see how people act, either through the heart or through a dagger tossed at someone's heart when joy has been offered and a viper is tossed back in exchange. The movie "Contact" comes to mind..

Remember seeing this person? Lot of charisma to move the crowd emotionally, but ended up monkey wrenching and self immolating in the process attempting to destroy everyone's work..

I found this and it sure seems appropriate -

anyway,