Guardian: German anger over Greek demand for war reparations

[Michael Moewes]

Don't get me started swoods_blue. What your country has done all over the planet. You robbed all our industry after WW2 and built it up in the US. you've left Germany bold naked. And when you are asked to pay reparations to the 50+ countries in the world you invaded and robbed for oil etc. You'll pay for the next 2000 years. Stop blaming Germany, for crying out loud, this happens 70+ years ago due t a crazy austrian who was part of the iluminati and a jew. He just found a fertil ground in Germany because off all the punishment oppressed on Germany after WW1 from the Usa and the others.

We better stop right here.

[christian]

The issue is central banking and government spending, that's the same for all countries. It's the people vs bankers and governments. As soon as you shift attention towards nation vs nation, as Tsipras does, you're continuing the old paradigm game. Of course, governments all over the world do that, so the new Greek government is really no different from all the others in that sense. Varoufakis, Secretary of Treasury, just said it's his highest goal to create a United States of Europe. Syriza were elected as eurosceptics, now they come up with that. Nothing new here, I guess, election promises, the same old story…

[swoods_blue]

Posted by Michael Moewes (here)
Don't get me started swoods_blue. What your country has done all over the planet. You robbed all our industry after WW2 and built it up in the US. you've left Germany bold naked. And when you are asked to pay reparations to the 50+ countries in the world you invaded and robbed for oil etc. You'll pay for the next 2000 years. Stop blaming Germany, for crying out loud, this happens 70+ years ago due t a crazy austrian who was part of the iluminati and a jew. He just found a fertil ground in Germany because off all the punishment oppressed on Germany after WW1 from the Usa and the others.

We better stop right here.

Michael,

I don't think you're reading me correctly here. The present-day issue is that Greece is attempting to deal with a debt burden it truly cannot afford to bear. The EU central bankers, led by German government, are imposing austerity measures on the country, with the threat of default hanging over Greece. In an attempt to repay its principal and interest, Greek governments have cut government services and social welfare very, very deeply, and that has really dried up economic activity there and deeply hurt regular people. This loss of economic stimulus further cripples Greece's ability to repay.

Greece has elected a new, populist government, which seems to have no obligations politically to the big banks. And unlike their predecessors, they are willing to dig up WWII-related debts to try to balance the scales. Their point, if you have missed it, is that by forgoing reparations due to them decades ago, Greeks helped provide Germany with the ability to rebuild itself when that was needed. It's using the terms of the central bankers' own game as leverage against the claims being made on the people of Greece.

Do not think I will defend the pro-corporate actions of past U.S. administrations -- I won't. And I resent their use of American boys as the muscle in their games of profit.

I would urge you to stop looking this issue through the lens of nationalism, and start looking at it as a fight between central banks, which would use debt enslavement to control a country full of people, and the people of that country trying to fight back.

Christian, in Post #22, hits the nail on the head in that respect. However, we need to recognize that Tsipras is not the problem here -- he is doing what he can in the situation he (and his nation) are in. And we need to recognize that unlike the central banks, he has the legitimacy of widespread popular support.

[Michael Moewes]

I love greece and the people.
But, Greece is an example how democracy is turning sick.
They have too many civil servants and they don't charge their billionaires.
A couple of years back it came out that 98% of the widdowed people never had declared the passing of their spouse. so that they betrayed from the governement millions of euros over a period of 15 years. the greek mentality is different.
What they should do, and all the european countries is to jail all the bankers and pass the sponge.
Restart by zero. but this is just me dreaming of a brighter future.
Live healthy and leave the dead where they belong. live in the here and now, let the past passing away and hope for the future(which doesn't exist) as there will allways be only this moment.

Posted by swoods_blue (here)

Posted by Michael Moewes (here)
Don't get me started swoods_blue. What your country has done all over the planet. You robbed all our industry after WW2 and built it up in the US. you've left Germany bold naked. And when you are asked to pay reparations to the 50+ countries in the world you invaded and robbed for oil etc. You'll pay for the next 2000 years. Stop blaming Germany, for crying out loud, this happens 70+ years ago due t a crazy austrian who was part of the iluminati and a jew. He just found a fertil ground in Germany because off all the punishment oppressed on Germany after WW1 from the Usa and the others.

We better stop right here.

Michael,

I don't think you're reading me correctly here. The present-day issue is that Greece is attempting to deal with a debt burden it truly cannot afford to bear. The EU central bankers, led by German government, are imposing austerity measures on the country, with the threat of default hanging over Greece. In an attempt to repay its principal and interest, Greek governments have cut government services and social welfare very, very deeply, and that has really dried up economic activity there and deeply hurt regular people. This loss of economic stimulus further cripples Greece's ability to repay.

Greece has elected a new, populist government, which seems to have no obligations politically to the big banks. And unlike their predecessors, they are willing to dig up WWII-related debts to try to balance the scales. Their point, if you have missed it, is that by forgoing reparations due to them decades ago, Greeks helped provide Germany with the ability to rebuild itself when that was needed. It's using the terms of the central bankers' own game as leverage against the claims being made on the people of Greece.

Do not think I will defend the pro-corporate actions of past U.S. administrations -- I won't. And I resent their use of American boys as the muscle in their games of profit.

I would urge you to stop looking this issue through the lens of nationalism, and start looking at it as a fight between central banks, which would use debt enslavement to control a country full of people, and the people of that country trying to fight back.

Christian, in Post #22, hits the nail on the head in that respect. However, we need to recognize that Tsipras is not the problem here -- he is doing what he can in the situation he (and his nation) are in. And we need to recognize that unlike the central banks, he has the legitimacy of widespread popular support.

[soleil]

an interesting concept i read about is, if greece does do this, whose to stop iraq etc etc etc etc from suing usa for their wars?

[Carmody]

we do have to remember that this is all fake non-existent money as an agreed upon valuation system.... which has no basis in any known form of reality, outside of that of a child playing with dolls and drinking non-existent tea from non-existent cups.

They expect real life, real death, real suffering, real war, and real blood...... for a fake dollar, a fake financing.

Always remember that.

Greece accepted false money and handled it poorly, via false leadership and it is now expected that the people of Greece pay for their corrupt and incorrect leadership - of days past.

They are expected to pay back non delivered non real money with more real suffering to return non existent money. Ie, real loss for fake money.

Greece should blow them off and go work with Russia and China.

it is something that needs be done, the message of carnage and brutality... for fake non existent..self created world values ...this message from the Babylonian money creators--going back over 7000 years.... this garbage, this infiltration.... finally needs to be shed from humanity.

Greece should start that process. If they had any sense to/of/in them at all, they would. They hold the lever in their hands, so strike, dammit, and get on with it.

In the same exact moment, Germany should reject this delivery of new military vehicles from the US. That is part and parcel of the problem. The USA is forcing US military presence INTO the heart of Germany, and we can guess why.

[Maia Gabrial]

The demands stem from a Greek finance ministry report published in December 2014 which calculated on the basis of expert assessment that Germany “owed” Greece €9.2bn for the first world war, €322bn for the second world war and €10bn for money Greece was forced to lend the Nazi regime in 1942.

Isn't this what the jews have been doing to Germany, too? Most of the jews are gone now, but Israel wants the free money to keep rolling in forever. And when the truth comes fully out, everyone will see that it was the Rothschilds who sacrificed their own people to the Nazi cause, so that they could steal Palestine and create Israel. Btw, God said they were not allowed to have their own country....

Oh hey, let's not forget that they get billions of dollars every year from Americans, too. Damn....

Maybe if aggressive countries knew at the start of a war that they would have to pay out of their noses for attacking other countries, they may think many times over whether it would be worth it or not....

I'm sick of wars....