9/11 and false flag bullet points / can we create ?

[thepainterdoug]

Fellow Avalonians

Doing my own research over time,I learned a good deal about 9/11, Sandy Hook and the Boston Bombing etc .
But when it comes to actually organizing all my thoughts and info into a clear,concise and effective presentation to share with others, Im not so sure I can do so.

It is fairly easy to be preaching to the choir so to speak. But has anyone else had a similar problem introducing this information to others in an effective manner that really gets to the key points in a clear, concise and orderly way for someone new to grasp and understand?

I had it in mind to see if others here at Project Avalon would like to take this on? Maybe there is a way we could take it on as a team?

So many videos are presented with thick overly dramatic English accents or gothic music etc. This sickens me and I would never share them with others.
The idea that the facts don't stand up for themselves and need to be garnered with entertainment and spin only weakens the credibility.

Im looking for a bullet point list . Something I could hand or send to someone that puts the most compelling info in best order for others to see and share.
My list maybe different than yours and vice versa so by sharing, we could sort it out.

how would we start?

for example/ I would list Operation Northwoods as a 1st point to demonstrate an official document that shows that they would even be capable of planning such an outlandish scheme.
Then maybe the PNAC and their calling for " a new pearl harbor ", and so on.
This gives the event some context.

If what I am looking for already exists please let me know. If not, should anyone want to join me in this , please also let me know your thoughts?

thanks all

[Selkie]

Maybe one approach would be to take an incident...like Sandy Hook...but then ask the person you are talking to some rhetorical "dumb questions" about it? Then give them some examples like Operation Northwoods, the Gulf of Tonkin Incident, the sinking of the Lusitania, the Tuskegee syphilis study, the Quaker Oats nuclear studies, etc., etc. (the examples are endless). Because it seems to me that questions about the realities of which you speak might be more engaging and have more impact...plus be less threatening...than facts about them. Incidents like Sandy Hook, and 9/11 are simply ripe with possibilities for "dumb (naïve/critical) questions"...the kind of questions that just might get people thinking. For an example of the style of engagement sort of similar to that which I am referring, see:

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/

p.s. What I am thinking is that once you supply a question, the person might be intrigued enough to ask you for some facts, or go looking for the facts on their own. At which point you could supply references so that they can fact-check for themselves.

Just some thoughts.

[thepainterdoug]

hi silke/ thanks for your thoughts and i get what your saying. but I'm actually interested in being able to present something to someone who has a serious interest in the topic . a best clear and concise list of facts that have been documented and can be verified .

this is all inspired by being asked the other day by someone out of the blue who wanted to know why I was so convinced of all these things. i felt like i knew so much that my presentation was all over the board and fragmented.

[Selkie]

Posted by thepainterdoug (here)
hi silke/ thanks for your thoughts and i get what your saying. but I'm actually interested in being able to present something to someone who has a serious interest in the topic . a best clear and concise list of facts that have been documented and can be verified .

this is all inspired by being asked the other day by someone out of the blue who wanted to know why I was so convinced of all these things. i felt like i knew so much that my presentation was all over the board and fragmented.

Thanks for clarifying, Doug, that helps a lot

[Nasu]

I admire your passion. Most of the time people don't want to hear the truth, you just look a bit crazy.. However, sometimes people are receptive, in these golden moments I recommend Silki's approach, ask dumb questions.

Like, for example, don't you think it's an incredible coincidence that the day before 911, Rums announced to a senate review pannel, a three point something trillion dollars in missing funds, by incredible coincidence, the office of naval intelligence looking into this matter was the very office hit in the pentagon the next day, leaving only one wounded survivor, who soon retired and effectively ended the investigation...

Can you beleave that???

My recommend is to keep it simple, then move on the conversation, if they are truly interested they will bring it back to topic, don't force it, if the search for answers does not come from within them, your effort is futile..

This video is a good one to prime yourself with great talking points for next time, keep up the resistance!!!...x.... N

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HAzuH7TT-lI

Edit - Doug's right, not three trillion, two trillion and change, my bad.. N

[ghostrider]

I would let them see the illusions the world accepts without blinking ... like parents tell their children a man in a red suit with flying reindeer visits every house in one night , and gives presents to the kids ... a whole shopping season is built on a fairy tale ... people act different at Christmas , etc ... but then tell them that the world is full of illusions like 911 , the Boston bombing , Sandy Hook and they look at you like your the one this is crazy ... go figure ... people will only get the truth when they are ready for it , on their terms , at their pace ... trying to convince them is a challenge when they really aren't ready for it ... good luck

[thepainterdoug]

yes Nasu i remember. rumsfield was announcing that the pentagon cannot account for a missing 2.3 trillion dollars! thats trillion!!!

can u imagine ?? american tax payer dollars lost?? right ?? black budget, black ops I'm sure.

then after 9/11 totally forgotten. slight of hand, a dove flys from a hat!! ohhh how amazing. were complete suckers.

[thepainterdoug]

ghost rider/ i agree. but when they are asking, we who have done our homework should be ready.

[East Sun]

Suckers no more......I hope.....

Spread the word far and wide......

[awakeningmom]

Here is an interesting article that gives you 24 talking points to start off with - the article was written in 2013. You could use this to form your bullet point list.

http://www.hangthebankers.com/24-har...t-be-debunked/

I know for me, it all started with watching Zeitgeist and then Loose Change. Perhaps direct your friend to those two documentaries first. Even after watching those two, I still wasn't convinced (mostly because I doubted that a small group of insiders could "get away with it" without being completely exposed -- how naive that seems now!). I had to do a lot more internet research and read through two more books (Jim Marr's 9-11 Synthetic Terror and David Ray Griffin's 911 Ten Years Later: When State Crimes Against Democracy Succeed) before I finally accepted that it was all true. I remember literally breaking down and crying in the middle of David Ray Griffin's book when I finally understood that our "own" leaders were behind it. It literally felt like my being was cracking in two at that moment -- and everything felt scary and surreal for nearly a year after that. You'll need to be prepared for the fall-out when your friend finally groks the truth too.

[thepainterdoug]

nasu/ i watched the video you attached. its great and covers lots of disturbing and essential information.
but again , why do the creators of these presentations feel it necessary to produce effectual,s, scratchy sound effects as if a reality tv show or an episode of the history channel on ufos, s etc.
i hope we can continue this discussion and the american public can grow up and get past the need for entertainment ,as we discuss the truth of vital information.

[awakeningmom]

Here is another article by David Ray Griffin giving you great bullet points to provide to your friend.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/septemb...out-9-11/10145

Of course we all know that the entire 911 Truth Movement has been infiltrated and that getting to the bottom of what "really happened" is near-impossible now. But I still think Griffin is one of the most credible, least compromised researchers on 911 out there.

[thepainterdoug]

awakeningmom / thanks much for your reply. i have seen all that you have listed. and the cognitive dissonance you have passed thru and overcome is so difficult. kudos to you for weathering it.

but to get someone to watch lengthy videos, as good as they are, is difficult. I'm hoping to put all info into some kind of succinct user friendly order.

[awakeningmom]

I agree Doug. I stumbled on the videos myself (at least Zeitgeist), but getting others to watch a two-three hour documentary might not be easy. But the two articles I posted above provide easy bullet-points. They are itemized lists of information that clearly dismantle the official narrative, point by point. Best of luck!

[thepainterdoug]

a k mom/ holy crow, missed that link. thats the ticket ! thanks much my friend. will build on this.

[yelik]

This particular event has been well and truly analysed by many people.

One critical point that always stuck in my mind about 911 was that some 1400 expert witness, eye witness, police, fire, and media testimony was omitted from the official reports, how does that work.

Skyscrapers are desired for an aircraft impact and not one building, ever, has collapsed as a result of fire.

Molten metal was still burning after about two week. Only some sort of nuclear detonation could have vapourised huge metal columns and caused them to continue burning.

The BBC report that building 7 had collapsed but was still standing in the background for anothe half an hour, you couldn't make it up

The evidence goes on and on

[Selkie]

Posted by yelik (here)
This particular event has been well and truly analysed in many people.

One critical point that always stuck in my mind about 911 was that some 1400 expert witness, eye witness, police, fire, media testimony was omitted from the official reports, how does that work.

Skyscrapers are desired for an aircraft impact and not one building, ever, has collapsed as a result of fire.

Molten metal was still burning after about two week. Only some sort of nuclear detonation could have vapourised huge metal columns and caused them to continue burning.

The BBC report that building 7 had collapsed but was still standing in the background for anothe half an hour, you couldn't make it up

The evidence goes on and on

If you have not read it, you might want to check out Where Did The Towers Go: Evidence of Directed Free-Energy Technology on 9/11 by Dr. Judy Wood. It is replete with eyewitness testimony, photographs of the physical evidence, the math and physics needed to understand the evidence, etc.

[thepainterdoug]

hey silkie/ yes i have read the majority of "where did the towers go" ? and i do agree with the mystery as to where did the body of this building material go?? i believe the planners of this event were very smart and introduced new tech as well as pedestrian evidence to keep us all spinning our wheels.
this has been largely successful, pitting the no plane john lear, morgan reynolds camp against the plane camp, the thermite richard gage camp vrs the Veterans today nuclear camp and so on. Chris bollyn and V T even got into a name calling episode w while back regarding all. and they are all trying to get to the truth!

if you planned a outrageously dibiocle plot against someone, wouldn't you cover your tracks and do the same? some bird seed to lead some of the birds on the wrong path.

in my circle, I'm one of the only people that seems to even get the depth of this deception. thats one of the reason i joined avalon. to become part of a family that would air these things out in a civil , respectful and intelligent way.

thanks for your input

[Cidersomerset]

little by little we all can play a part in uncovering this great deception.
please see my post regarding 9/11 bullet list in general forum. add to it if you can

thanks/d

I did see your post and mentioned it on Pauls current thread , trying to bring it to
his attention , but he edited it out and said I was straying from the point of his
thread. As I added this post below and some other comments referring to your
request for bullet points and some others of mine. That's why if you look at his
thread I posted three vids and say " no probs' ...

It was on the lines of this subject is so vast , where the hell do you start ?
We have posted many threads on here and the further down the rabbit
hole we have gone the more open we are to all possibilities.

But someone starting fresh and I see them everyday at work and within the family.
I have told them a lot , but it means nothing to them until they take that first look
( not peep) down the rabbit hole. Or it effects them and it becomes obvious . But
they still want mainstream validation on the whole.

Keep thinking about it and hopefully a simple bit of inspiration will come into our
reality. At the moment I think we are looking at it bit to much indepth , when really
in one respect it is simple .

9/11 was an inside job ! Then it gets a bit complicated...LOL



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There are three possible ways the towers, building 7 and others like building 6
which Chris Bollyn said in his presentation was destroyed before either tower
had collapsed. They were brought down by nano thermite possibly painted
onto the walls of the towers. Some sort of nuclear devise of some kind, possibly
an energy weapon or a combination, or maybe something yet to be discovered.


The one thing that can be ruled out is that all these buildings were brought
down by two hijaked aircraft.........The World Trade Centre Complex.




Chris Bollyn in the presentations below tends to go with the Dr. Stephen Jones
Nano thermite theory , but says he is open to other suggestions and in the
second Q & A discussion video , when asked about Dr. Judy Woods theory ,
he said he was not convinced by her video presentations so far , but was
about to read her book as someone had just lent him it to read during his
tour. He also gives a lot of info to who he thinks is behind the whole event.

"Where Did The Towers Go?" - Dr Judy Wood in the UK....Sky 200 TV with Theo Chalmers.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-Theo-Chalmers.

Dr Judy Wood - Several good interviews in early 2013

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-in-early-2013


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Re: Christopher Bollyn 2015: ‘Solving 911 Ends the War’


A thought provoking and interesting presentation explaining connection into 9/11
and current war doctrine and who are the real terrorists behind these ongoing
conflicts and connects some dots. Some you will have seen before other observations
are revisited, good watch.......


Christopher Bollyn 2015: ‘Solving 911 Ends the War’

Wednesday 18th March 2015 at 07:14 By David Icke

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SP_Ezjm7xDg

Published on 7 Mar 2015


Christopher Bollyn 2015 “Solving 911 Ends the War”

In the name of 9/11, “wars have been waged, governments overthrown, and an untold
number of lives sacrificed.” Yet 9/11 is an unsolved crime of terrorism and mass
murder, with no trial and no serious investigation. This elaborately planned criminal
deception was carried out “with the intention that the public would be deceived with a
false explanation blaming the atrocity on Osama Bin Laden and Al Quaida....”

Christopher Bollyn states he has written “Solving 9-11: the Deception that Changed the
World” because he could not remain indifferent and silent...”as the lies about 9/11 were
used to wage wars of aggression and transform American into a police state.”

An investigative journalist from Illinois, Bollyn sojourned in Europe and the Middle East
before studying languages, history and journalism at UC Davis and Santa Cruz. His
degree in history focused on the Israeli occupation of Palestine. He has written in-depth
articles about the Middle East, electronic vote fraud, the dangers of depleted uranium,
and the history and geo-political background of 9/11.

In 2007, Bollyn and his family moved to Sweden when his research into 9/11 brought
about his being attacked by undercover police and then charged with assaulting them.
He began writing this book and has been touring in the US with the hope of raising the
consciousness of the American public and exposing the true culprits.

Readers of his book have said it is “the top-notch work of the 9/11 collection and ...the
work of a brave genius...information we can use to reformulate our worldview....gives
me hope that truth and liberty can ultimately prevail.”

More information at www.bollyn.com.
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Tags: 911, Christopher Bollyn, Solving 911, Jewish Lightning, Sayanim, Agents, Assets
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Produced: 2015, Episode: CD-S911, 57:58, Category: Education
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View This Show On YouTube: http://youtu.be/SP_Ezjm7xDg
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More 911TV Films On YouTube: http://youtube.com/911TVorg
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Some of the many topics discussed..

Building Six destroyed before either of the Twin Towers fell
Cover for stealing the gold stored there & evidence in the Enron
fraud case and other important documentation.


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Predictive planning...

THE MEDUSA TOUCH....


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Lone gunman



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"It was Bin Laden , let saddle up the posse and get him "......




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A more indepth presentation for those interested....

Christopher Bollyn - Solving 9-11 - The Los Angeles Session

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=v0quVNNwcz0

Published on 25 Feb 2015


On January, 28th, 2015, a small private lecture was held in the Los Angeles area that featured author and investigative
journalist Christopher Bollyn. The audience members were a supportive group of enlightened individuals and activists
who are already familiar with the events of September 11th, 2001 and the aftermath that this deliberate PsyOp has created.
Each of the Q & A sessions which are featured after every set of opening comments Bollyn makes (at his various appearances)
are extremely unique and informative and give him a chance to offer greater details and historical background about the various
"Cast of Conspiracy Characters" involved in the cover up. A video well worth your time.
Video by SANCHEZ

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...221#post944221

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Wider 9/11 destruction area

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)

little by little we all can play a part in uncovering this great deception.
please see my post regarding 9/11 bullet list in general forum. add to it if you can

thanks/d

I did see your post and mentioned it on Pauls current thread , trying to bring it to
his attention , but he edited it out and said I was straying from the point of his
thread.

I did leave a link (if I recall correctly) to one of these posts. In my view, cross-links between threads are one of the good ways to support connecting the dots while still allowing some threads that might want to focus on one aspect. This leaves it up to the reader whether to dig deeper in one rabbit hole, or to survey some near by rabbit holes.

Feel free to post such a link on my Where Did the Planes Go? thread, if you're so inclined.