Germanwings flight 4U9525 crash in Southern France

[Sophocles]

Germanwings A320 passenger plane crashes in Southern France

An Airbus A320 with 144 passengers and 6 crewmembers has crashed in Digne region, southern France. The jet, which belonged to Germanwings low-cost airline, was flying from Barcelona to Düsseldorf.

Link: http://rt.com/news/243525-airbus-crash-southern-france/

Link: http://rt.com/news/243533-plane-crash-german-wings/

First Images Of Germanwings Crash Debris Emerge; White House Says "No Indication Of Terrorism"

While the White House, seemingly an expert in determining airplane crashes causes within hours if not minutes of the accident (see flight MH-17) has already opined on the tragic crash of the Lufthansa Germanwings airplane:

WHITE HOUSE: NO INDICATION OF TERRORISM IN AIRPLANE CRASH

Link: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-0...ation-terroris

Playback of flight #4U9525: http://www.flightradar24.com/data/ai...-aipx/#5d42675

Much love to all those affected by this disaster.

[CD7]

And the spring equinox travel catastrophe has commenced!!!

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Much love to all those affected by the world disaster!!!!

[Taurean]

Let's see if the MSM try and pin this one on Putin.

An incredible amount of discernment is going to be required for this one.

[MorningSong]

I heard about this driving home from school, today.... another sad event... 16 students and 2 teachers were onboard.... 2 newborns and their families... 46 Folks from Spain, 76 from Germany, 1 fromTurkey and ???... about 150 including the 6 crew members...

It's very cloudy and foggy and it's raining here in the Alps, today... it's snowing at the crash site. The news say the plane crashed at about 1600 mt/sl.... not high enough to get over those mountains....

You can follow updates here:

http://www.breakingnews.com/topic/pl...ps-march-2015/

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories...03-24-11-57-22

[araucaria]

One rescuer said on TV here that he'd seen no wreckage bigger than a meter in size, which is rather puzzling for a normal crash, where a layman like me would expect a business end smashed to smithereens and the other end slightly less badly damaged, if only because it would likely snap off at some point. The whole plane must have belly-flopped.

[Violet]

Every time something like this happens, the news (here at least) always ends with: despite (...event), flying has never been so safe.


Better to just have left that line out, replace it to a better timing.

[rgray222]

I understand it and I do get it but it is still hard to take. 150 people die in a tragic plane crash and it is plastered all over the news, the President of the USA comes on national TV and makes a statement. Two days ago 137 die from the actions of suicide bomber in Yemen and nothing, a non event. Somehow the media and politician have decided which lives are important and which method of dying is newsworthy. Politicians and the mainstream media set the agenda. They have pre-determined what they want you to think about, they want to tell people what is important and what isn't. There is no way that the 137 people in Yemen are less important than the 150 in France.

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Posted by rgray222 (here)
I understand it and I do get it but it is still hard to take. 150 people die in a tragic plane crash and it is plastered all over the news, the President of the USA comes on national TV and makes a statement. Two days ago 137 die from the actions of suicide bomber in Yemen and nothing, a non event. Somehow the media and politician have decided which lives are important and which method of dying is newsworthy. Politicians and the mainstream media set the agenda. They have pre-determined what they want you to think about, they want to tell people what is important and what isn't. There is no way that the 137 people in Yemen are less important than the 150 in France.

I agree. maybe people are just sad.tired of hearing about terrorism.
they wanna believe there are parts of the world that are safe.
but due to corporate terrorists, the truth of the world,
nowhere is safe. nowhere healthy and competitive is safe.

people need to inform themselves and arm themselves emotionally and intellectually against the very hard times,
and truths of our times.

these things will not stop happening until cronyism in the MIC is stopped.
until contracts are no longer given to thugs, these things probably won't stop.

because the beastly corporate rule we live under in our world is always hungry,
never stops eating -- it is always cutting corners, cheapening safety, and killing the little guy.


i hate to sound like a naysaying luddite, but until the corporate leaders and governments of our world start acting with a moral conscience and put a real value on human life,
we will just keep hearing about more crashes, more explosions, more reasons oil price goes up and hope goes down, everything falling apart.



let's pray that a common hope and vision for the future help guide the people who make it through this difficult, formative age.
and try not to be too depressed by inequal reporting....

people can't choose where they are born, but some can choose to change the place, or move on....
people need to de-claw the System that birthed and enabled the whole terrorist generation...

even CNN stooping to sensational titles on their main page like "teen's ISIS packing list", what kind of crap!?
did anyone else see them doing that? mindless sensationalism 8(

[korgh]

My condolences for their families.
I'm wondering why so many planes are crashing lately.. strange isn't?
I have thousands of miles of flight and i'm very concerned about all of these "coincidences"... Next time i will travel by ship!


Edited: I'm not concerned about some kind of terrorism but in nowadays is very hard to take down a plane even thinking about an A320 by human failure because there is a high tech instrumentation behind of it. Also, all traffic on EU is heavily controlled and well monitored.

[Bob]

http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq10.htm

Loss of elevator horizontal stabilizer and or trim system or the jackscrew motor and or locknut could be the issue in the recent wave of mysterious jet incidents. If there were sabotage that location in the flight control mechanism most likely would be the common denominator. It could be a maintenance accident too. But being stuck in an up or down nose orientation would make flying difficult or impossible. If the pilot went to trim flight after leveling off and catestrophic failure happened there would be not much time to deal with a plane falling out of the sky with such an issue.

Investigative group if they can find the tail section would have to look at the parts mentioned. Then track back to see was last working on such.

[CD7]

Two days ago 137 die from the actions of suicide bomber in Yemen and nothing, a non event. Somehow the media and politician have decided which lives are important and which method of dying is newsworthy. Politicians and the mainstream media set the agenda

Yes the "surface" events are plastered everywhere WHILE THOUSANDS DIE EVERYDAY (humans/animals) NEEDLESSLY........Genius isn't it how we are trained to watch the WRONG BALLS.....

[MorningSong]

Here are a few interesting comments I have found:

15.24 Even though it will take some time to determine exactly what caused the Airbus to crash, experts are already beginning to focus on the sensors the plane uses to determine its speed.

Bob Mann, an American aviation consultant, suggested that the key could be in the sophisticated computer technology used to control the plane.

In particular, he highlighted the Angle of Attack Sensors used on the A320.

“If it thinks a plane is about to stall, it will cause the nose to pitch down,” he said.

“From the flight radar it looks like a nine minute descent at a constant 400 knots.”

The steady path of the plane could indicate that its path was being controlled by computer.

And:

15.40 Nick Brough, an aviation consultant based in Italy, told The Telegraph it was highly unlikely that weather conditions brought the plane down:

Quote Commercial airplanes simply don’t crash because of bad weather.

The aircraft appears to have gone into a descent lasting eight minutes, at a more or less constant velocity, until hitting terrain.

Without intending to speculate, if it is true that the crew made no attempts to make radio contact, they may have been suddenly incapacitated.

At this stage oxygen starvation cannot be ruled out, as in the Helios Airways accident near Athens in 2005.”

Without oxygen, you lose consciousness very quickly – hence the on board safety announcement that tells you to put the mask on your own face first and only then on babies and children.

And:

17.58 A spokeswoman for Germanwings has just said that the plane underwent a maintenance check yesterday in Dusseldorf.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...oard-live.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

It was at the safest part of the flight when the plane went down, but it went down quick, 30,000 feet in 8 minutes, they have already recovered the black box...

16 students, 2 opera singers among plane crash victims

"HALTERN, Germany -- A stunned German town mourned 16 students who went down aboard Germanwings Flight 9525 on their way home Tuesday from a Spanish exchange, while the opera world grieved for two singers who were returning from performing in Barcelona - one of them with her baby.

"This is surely the blackest day in the history of our town," a visibly shaken Mayor Bodo Klimpel said after the western town of Haltern was shocked by news that 16 students from the local high school and two of their teachers had been on the plane. They had just spent a week in Spain.

Some hugged and cried in front of the Joseph Koenig High School, where the 10th graders had studied, and put candles on its steps. Others changed their Facebook cover photos to black, with the simple message "Haltern mourns; In memory of the victims of the March 24, 2015 plane crash."..." link

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Posted by Bob (here)
http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq10.htm

Loss of elevator horizontal stabilizer and or trim system or the jackscrew motor and or locknut could be the issue in the recent wave of mysterious jet incidents. If there were sabotage that location in the flight control mechanism most likely would be the common denominator. It could be a maintenance accident too. But being stuck in an up or down nose orientation would make flying difficult or impossible. If the pilot went to trim flight after leveling off and catestrophic failure happened there would be not much time to deal with a plane falling out of the sky with such an issue.

Investigative group if they can find the tail section would have to look at the parts mentioned. Then track back to see was last working on such.

there was an incident near Hawaii years and years ago,
where a panel covering hydraulics near the tail was improperly riveted after maintenance (commercial).

at altitide the panel vibrated loose and part of it went thru the hydraulic lines.

and the plane turned onto its back and did a dive straight into the sea.
killing all.



but i cannot rule out laser/computer hack/etc
lots of crap can wreck an airplane,
and the modern world has a troubling tendency to introduce unknowns more often than solving them


p.s. i can't for the life of me find the one that happened in the southern pacific but there was one near seattle that was similar to this lufthansa thing,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_...dive_and_crash

Alaska Airlines Flight 261 was a scheduled international passenger flight on January 31, 2000 from Lic. Gustavo Díaz Ordaz International Airport in Puerto Vallarta, Mexico, to Seattle-Tacoma International Airport in Seattle, Washington, with an intermediate stop at San Francisco International Airport in San Francisco, California.[1] The aircraft, a McDonnell Douglas MD-83, crashed into the Pacific Ocean about 2.7 miles (4.3 km) north of Anacapa Island, California after suffering a catastrophic loss of pitch control. The two pilots, three cabin crewmembers, and 83 passengers on board were killed. The crash took place 3 weeks after the crash of Crossair Flight 498 in Switzerland and one day after the crash of Kenya Airways Flight 431 off the coast of Côte d'Ivoire.

The subsequent investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board determined that inadequate maintenance led to excessive wear and eventual failure of a critical flight control system during flight. The probable cause was stated to be "a loss of airplane pitch control resulting from the in-flight failure of the horizontal stabilizer trim system jackscrew assembly's acme nut threads. The thread failure was caused by excessive wear resulting from Alaska Airlines' insufficient lubrication of the jackscrew assembly."[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_...e_and_recovery
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska_...dive_and_crash


HEY that wiki claimed there were 3 crashes in like one month or some crap,

The crash took place 3 weeks after the crash of Crossair Flight 498 in Switzerland and one day after the crash of Kenya Airways Flight 431 off the coast of Côte d'Ivoire.

that would be a LOT of rusty jackscrews imo,

[korgh]

Posted by Bob (here)
http://www.airlinesafety.com/faq/faq10.htm

Loss of elevator horizontal stabilizer and or trim system or the jackscrew motor and or locknut could be the issue in the recent wave of mysterious jet incidents. If there were sabotage that location in the flight control mechanism most likely would be the common denominator. It could be a maintenance accident too. But being stuck in an up or down nose orientation would make flying difficult or impossible. If the pilot went to trim flight after leveling off and catastrophic failure happened there would be not much time to deal with a plane falling out of the sky with such an issue.

Investigative group if they can find the tail section would have to look at the parts mentioned. Then track back to see was last working on such.

A spokeswoman for Germanwings has just said that the plane underwent a maintenance check yesterday in Dusseldorf (the normal one) and the full maintenance was years ago (+3).
I know well the weather condition on the Alps mountains but also there is a lot of air traffic in that region without any incidents for years. There will be a lot of nonsense suppositions by the media and all that really matter now are the black boxes.

[Bob]

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ctions-311325/

Please read the above FAA alert. Cursory looking at does not review the wear or sabotage issue.

FAA mandates near-term A320 stabiliser inspections
By: JOHN CROFT Source: 12:00 12 May 2008
The US Federal Aviation Administration has finalised an airworthiness directive for tailplane trim inspections after concerns about incorrect installations that could result in loss of control of aircraft.

Proposed in October last year, the AD resulted from multiple operators discovering and reporting incorrect trimmable horizontal stabiliser actuator (THSA) installation while complying with an Airbus service bulletin. The AD requires operators of 721 US-registered Airbus A320-family aircraft to perform a one-time inspection of the THSA.

According to the FAA, the faulty installation "could lead to a degradation of the integrity of the THSA primary load path", that could result in uncontrolled movement of the horizontal stabiliser "and loss of control of the aircraft".

The AD calls for operators within 600 flight hours or 750 flight cycles from 6 June to perform a one-time detailed visual inspection of the lower and the upper THSA attachments for correct installation and for the presence of metallic particles.

The FAA recently proposed a similar AD for Boeing 737s following a Boeing design review and safety analysis of the horizontal trim units on all its aircraft. The review followed the January 2000 loss of an Alaska Airlines MD-83 and all 88 passengers and crew after the failure of the horizontal stabiliser trim assembly due to an improperly lubricated jackscrew.

Northwest Airlines, through the Air Transport Association, had requested that the FAA reconsider issuing the A320 AD. "NWA agrees that an incorrectly installed THSA could be a safety concern, but asserts that accomplishing a one-time inspection will not prevent improper THSA installations in the future, and does not understand what corrective action is being taken (or should be taken) to prevent similar installation problems in the future."

Although it does not agree the AD should be withdrawn, the FAA says: "Airbus has informed us that the maintenance instructions have been revised and clarified to prevent confusion during any future installation of the THSA."

FAA warns of A320 horizontal stabizer failures resulting in total loss of aircraft control.

An order was issued for inspection and maintenance. If the company did not perform the maintenance an accident of the type that happened if the trim was adjusted which would have been normal procedure at that part of the flight.

If that part fails accidentally or deliberately it is a critical key component and there is no backup to the mechanical part. The A320 and other jets using that type of elevator movement suffer from this issue and if there were an accident innocent or otherwise that component is a strategic kingpin needed to be maintained.

Airbus has disclosed that the Germanwings A320 involved in the accident in the French Alps had accumulated 58,300h.

It confirms the airframe as MSN147, registered D-AIPX. The aircraft was originally delivered to Lufthansa, the parent of Germanwings, in 1991.



Airbus says the aircraft had conducted around 46,700 flights. It has not given any information about its maintenance record.

Germanwings states that there were 144 passengers and six crew members on board flight 4U9525 from Barcelona to Dusseldorf.

France's BEA will take charge of the investigation into the accident. Airbus says it will provide support to the inquiry with a group of technical advisers.

[avid]

CERN CERN CERN? Knackering the vibrationsphere.... Watch out for unexplained earth vibrations (earthquakes) in odd places in or near Switzerland imminently. Thanks to Dutch!

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

Posted by avid (here)
CERN CERN CERN? Knackering the vibrationsphere.... Watch out for unexplained earth vibrations (earthquakes) in odd places in or near Switzerland imminently. Thanks to Dutch!

"We are the pebble that starts the avalanche. Where is that pebble, then, which makes the avalanche forebear?"
~THe Basanos (Lucifer, by Mike Carey)

[korgh]

Posted by Bob (here)
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/art...ctions-311325/

Please read the above FAA alert. Cursory looking at does not review the wear or sabotage issue.

FAA warns of A320 horizontal stabizer failures resulting in total loss of aircraft control.

An order was issued for inspection and maintenance. If the company did not perform the maintenance an accident of the type that happened if the trim was adjusted which would have been normal procedure at that part of the flight.

If that part fails accidentally or deliberately it is a critical key component and there is no backup to the mechanical part. The A320 and other jets using that type of elevator movement suffer from this issue and if there were an accident innocent or otherwise that component is a strategic kingpin needed to be maintained.

It makes sense this kind of failure when considering a low-cost air company and all economics difficulties nowadays. I almost bet that the real issue will be covered and again we will remain without the truth.
Just my two cents....

[Wind]

I do wonder how many commercial airplanes these days have the same kind of remote controls as the United Airlines Flight 175 (Boeing 767–222) and American Airlines Flight 11 (Boeing 767-223ER) had? It certainly wasn't a good day for those pilots.

Too many commercial airplanes have fallen down during the past year and at least two of them were certainly brought down by explosives, the other one by missiles. I'm not saying that this one was, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that something unusual is going on. Of course there are always genuine accidents too, but what is it with these planes? Statistically speaking, I would avoid using Boeings, better to be safe than sorry.

List of accidents and incidents involving commercial aircraft

• March 8 – Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, a Boeing 777 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing with 227 passengers and 12 crew on board, disappears from radar over the Gulf of Thailand. Has still not been found.
  
  
• July 17 – Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, a Boeing 777 en route from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur, is shot down over eastern Ukraine, killing all 283 passengers and 15 crew on board in the deadliest civilian airliner shootdown incident
  
  
• July 23 – TransAsia Airways Flight 222, an ATR-72 en route from Kaohsiung to Penghu, Taiwan, crashes during go-around, killing 48 of the 58 people on board.
  
  
• December 28 – Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501, an Airbus A320 en route from Surabaya, Indonesia to Singapore, crashes into waters off Borneo, killing all 155 passengers and 7 crew on board.
  
  
• February 4 – TransAsia Airways Flight 235, an ATR-72, crashes into the Keelung River in Taiwan. 42 of the 58 passengers and crew on board are killed.
  
  
• March 24 - Germanwings Flight 9525, an Airbus A320, crashes in southern France en route from Barcelona, Spain to Düsseldorf, Germany. All 144 passengers and 6 crew on board the aircraft died in the crash.

Once is chance, twice is Coincidence, third time is a pattern.