Another false flag (the Germanwings plane crash; did the co-pilot intentionally crash it?)

[hangel]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

wonder how it will unfold and what conclusions they would come up with..
was the second pilot muslim, jewish, christian, nazi, transsexual, gay etc.

What will be the outcry? What privacy we will have to give up to fly/travel by plane now?

What beeping x-ray gate, movement analysis camera, facial recognition hardware/software would they invent to prevent the 'manchurian candidate'?

Minority report implemented?

ordo ab chao,

FALSE FLAG STATUS
problem (done) reaction (brewing) solution (pending)

[MorningFox]

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...uthern-France/

[hangel]

Posted by MorningFox (here)
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...uthern-France/

indeed! However only today it came up that the tragedy wasn't caused by computer faults or genuine mistake. Category of this sad incident had now been changed to deliberate action to destroy plane and everybody abroad.

[MorningFox]

Why start a new thread? Makes no sense at all.

[hangel]

i thought that all members at this forum have right to start new post, especially if the subject is new/changed. i don't think there is anything in the membership conditions saying that only some members are privileged to start new threads... in your philosophy i suggest that you raise complain that all 9/11 post should start out of the same thread.

[MorningFox]

I never said anything about only some members being allowed to start new threads

...but if we have a thread about a topic let's keep it all in there. What on earth is the point of splitting it up into two or more threads? It just makes reading the information more difficult.

[araucaria]

Posted by hangel (here)
i thought that all members at this forum have right to start new post, especially if the subject is new/changed. i don't think there is anything in the membership conditions saying that only some members are privileged to start new threads... in your philosophy i suggest that you raise complain that all 9/11 post should start out of the same thread.

I don't think anyone is contesting your rights as a member, hangel; simply your link was very much on topic in that other thread. In fact I posted something similar myself.

However, I would disagree, if I may, with the premise of your thread title: where is the false flag connection in that article? A false flag is an attack carried out by one nation or group masquerading as another. All we have here so far is a lone nut acting on his own behalf. The story may pan out into something else, but for the time being we are two nations or groups short of a false flag.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by MorningFox (here)
Why start a new thread? Makes no sense at all.

Hey! Unnecessarily just a trifle sharp there.

Let's give members the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes it's not clear where the lines are drawn between different (but connected/overlapping) threads — and often the mods merge threads when no members have asked them to. (Sometimes, we split them, too...)

[hangel]

i wouldn't expect BBC will admit false flag, neither I'm saying that false flag conclusion came out of the article, for that in official media we would have to wait long time.

as for the threads: there are many threads on similar subject, yours wasn't on the home page 'live feed' i assumed it haste been raised today yet.

No need to disregard and disrespect anyone who dare to speak up, as for this is why this forum exist!

[MorningFox]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by MorningFox (here)
Why start a new thread? Makes no sense at all.

Hey! Unnecessarily just a trifle sharp there.

hah, I'm afraid that is my way.

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I come from a forum that keeps everything related in one thread, makes for easy reading and information collecting. I often want to go back to find a piece of information here and can't because there are multiple threads on the same topic, doesn't make much sense to me and can get confusing...

Anyway, not my place to try and change the format of the forum. I very much enjoy and appreciate it over all.

[araucaria]

Posted by hangel (here)
i wouldn't expect BBC will admit false flag, neither I'm saying that false flag conclusion came out of the article, for that in official media we would have to wait long time.

as for the threads: there are many threads on similar subject, yours wasn't on the home page 'live feed' i assumed it haste been raised today yet.

No need to disregard and disrespect anyone who dare to speak up, as for this is why this forum exist!

That's OK, no disrespect intended. It's just that it is not clear where this new thread is going. So who do you think is involved? Can you expand a little? Because I personally find that 'problem reaction solution' is becoming a bit of a mantra.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by MorningFox (here)
I often want to go back to find a piece of information here and can't because there are multiple threads on the same topic, doesn't make much sense to me and can get confusing...

In a library (those old fashioned places with real books on paper) one will find both monographs (studies of a single specialized subject) and surveys and encyclopedias (wider ranging, more inclusive, presentations)

Each has their uses.

There are a variety of ways of organizing the multi-layered, multi-disciplined, and wide ranging material that a library, or now a forum, covers. All have their uses, and their limitations.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by hangel (here)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-32063587

wonder how it will unfold and what conclusions they would come up with..

I added the parenthetical "(the Germanwings plane crash; did the co-pilot intentionally crash it?)" to this thread's title. It's not a perfect lead in to the important questions you ask, but it's at least a little more specific than just "Another false flag".

If you, or someone else, has a potentially better idea, I'd welcome it.

[MorningFox]

Posted by Paul (here)
In a library (those old fashioned places with real books on paper) one will find both monographs (studies of a single specialized subject) and surveys and encyclopedias (wider ranging, more inclusive, presentations)

Just because a library does something doesn't mean it's the most practical solution. We're in a digital age with the ability to improve the user experience. Copying an antiquated system doesn't hold much value for anyone.

Couldn't help but respond, seeing as I'm still being addressed. Back on topic now...

[angelfire]

I think this has all the hall marks of another Charlie Hebdo false flag. Days before the attack in Paris, Hollande had made the suggestion that Europe should consider ending sanctions against Russia when the time was right. I can't find the piece now (probably been erased) but a day or so before the plane crash, a German MP also spoke out about how sanctions were negatively affecting the whole of Europe.
There's a moral in there somewhere!!!!!

[ThePythonicCow]

Another report on this: Germanwings Co-Pilot Andreas Lubitz Appears to Have Deliberately Crashed Plane (Wall Street Journal):

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Andreas Lubitz was alone in the cockpit, breathing in silence, as his captain pounded on a locked door. Those chilling sounds—captured in a black-box recording—have left French investigators with little doubt that the crash that killed 150 people aboard Flight 9525 was a deliberate act.

Lead prosecutor Brice Robin said on Thursday he suspected Mr. Lubitz, the 27-year-old Germanwings co-pilot, locked the captain out of the cockpit, programmed the A320’s descent and slammed it into an alpine ridge at 400 miles an hour with a “willingness to destroy this aircraft.”

The black-box revelations jolted Europe and its vaunted aviation industry. The notion of a pilot intentionally crashing a commercial jet amounted to a nightmare scenario that Germanwings and its parent company Deutsche Lufthansa AG were straining to grasp.

“In our mind, what has happened was simply impossible,” said Lufthansa Chief Executive Carsten Spohr. The executive noted that Lufthansa, which boasts a world-class safety record, took pride in “being extremely picky in choosing its pilots.”

The turn of events also knocked European investigators off balance. While it remained too early to establish on what grounds the probe would proceed, Mr. Robin said the crash could no longer be regarded as a case of involuntary manslaughter.

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[Hervé]

The early assertion it was the co-pilot who remained in the cockpit needs to be... confirmed:

Germany's BILD newspaper published on its website details of the first report about the crash which it claims was submitted by the French to the German government after the disaster.

It states: 'Normal operating conditions for the French air traffic control. All technical systems were in normal operation.'

It corroborates earlier reports that contact with the pilots was lost at 10.31am, adding: 'Germanwings 4U9525 leaves its cruising altitude without informing French air traffic control and starts a descent at an average rate of decline observed by radar... of 3,500 feet per minute'.

Air traffic controllers attempted to establish 'wireless connection on the operating frequency which is not answered' by the cockpit, the report says.

Further attempts are made by radio contact on the international emergency frequency, but there was again no response.

At 10.35am, air traffic controllers 'raise the internationally standardized 'emergency level' (DETRESFA distress phase) and contacts the national headquarters of the French search and rescue service.'

One final and attempt is made to contact the pilots on the international emergency frequency a minute later, but that also fails.

The Germanwings flight disappeared from radar at 10.40am at an altitude of around 6,200ft, the report states.

Two minutes later - at 10.42am - air traffic control informs the national headquarters of the French search and rescue service about the loss of the radar target.

Two military helicopters are sent in the direction of the last known location, but are unable to detect the aircraft's emergency transmitter.

[...]

The cockpit recording showed the pilots speaking normally in German at the start of the flight, the source said, adding that it could not be determined if it was the captain or the first officer who left the cockpit.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post946683

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

That chaos theorist from Jurassic Park would have a heck of a lot to say about this plane crash and everything that will happen to ppl because of it all.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=n-mpifTiPV4

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HfD1OsP-Bv8

The Symbol of Chaos originates from Michael Moorcock's Eternal Champion stories. In them, the Symbol of Chaos comprises eight arrows in a radial pattern. In contrast, the symbol of Law is a single upright arrow. It is also called the Arms of Chaos, the Arrows of Chaos, the Chaos Star, the Chaos Cross, or the Symbol of Eight.

Moorcock has stated that he conceived this symbol while writing the first Elric of Melniboné stories in the early 1960s. It was subsequently adopted into the pop-cultural mainstream, turning up in such diverse places as modern occult traditions and role-playing games.

There are a number of traditional symbols that have the same geometrical pattern as Moorcock's symbol of Chaos, such as any of various eight-pointed stars (like this one from a Greek vase from the fifth century BCE), the star of Ishtar/Venus, the Eastern Dharmacakra and the Wheel of the Year, but none of these were symbols of chaos and their limbs are not arrows.

Furthermore, the '8' of Wands in Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot deck features prominently an eight-pointed star with arrows at the ends. Crowley described the card as representing "energy" scattering at "high velocity" that had managed to create the depicted eight-pointed figure. [1]

what
if.

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Moorcock says, about his version [2] —

The origin of the Chaos Symbol was me doodling sitting at the kitchen table and wondering what to tell Jim Cawthorn the arms of Chaos looked like. I drew a straightforward geographical quadrant (which often has arrows, too!) – N, S, E, W – and then added another four directions and that was that – eight arrows representing all possibilities, one arrow representing the single, certain road of Law. I have since been told that it is an "ancient symbol of Chaos" and if it is then it confirms a lot of theories about the race mind. ... As far as I know the symbol, drawn by Jim Cawthorn, first appeared on an Elric cover of Science Fantasy in 1962, then later appeared in his first comic version of Stormbringer done by Savoy [ISBN 0-7045-0226-7].

[Tesla_WTC_Solution]

a grieving nerd tribute to the fallen:
damn u CNN sensationalism, >.<





im so meme

anyhow.

back to reality have they found the FDR yet?
not the CVR. the flight data recorder, has it been found?


CNN might be jumping to conclusions more than my porpoise cartoon... in fact


http://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2015...ges-damage.cnn

One of the flight data recorders on the doomed Germanwings plane is badly damaged, but may still hold valuable information according to French authorities.

the cockpit voice recorder and the flight data recorder are not the same thing...
i am surprised the terms are being confused by cnn when in my former profession it was pretty clear that these boxes weren't the same deal

d'oh!


fdr:





the devil is in the details

p.s. nintendo is naughty, who wouldn't think of goldeneye 007:

Directions to the beginning are as follows:

Run to the right of the block that Alec was standing near. Run inbetween the
blocks in front of you, then go left and then another right. You should see the
narrow opening to this area here. Go through it. Head past the glowing statue
and up the hill behind the tank. We see Valentine's crate.

Go past this and up the hill through the small gap we went through before. Past
the grey crate now. Follow the brown path left and back up the giant hill.
Stay close to the fence after the second words statue.

Run over to the Helicopter and a proximity fuse triggers. Run away from the
chopper and Natalya will get up and follow. Stand near the edge of the slope
(at the top) and wait for it to blow. Bond then says he must find the Black Box
for the copter.

Go down the slope and search the rubble here for an orange box. It may take a
little while, or it might be easy. But it is always around the first little bit
of the level. Since it is orange, it is easy to see. (I thought a BLACK box
would be BLACK!)

Go up the hill after you have it and past the wreckage. Oh no! Russian Soldiers
here! Ignore them and go out the gate ahead of you to end the mission

[Tangri]

Posted by MorningFox (here)
I never said anything about only some members being allowed to start new threads

...but if we have a thread about a topic let's keep it all in there. What on earth is the point of splitting it up into two or more threads? It just makes reading the information more difficult.

Subject can be same name but different approach and deserves another thread. I do not look any more Sandy Hook threads, even a new post added on it, If they use same picture or videos it can be merged.(with respect to MODs)