Time is NOT an Illusion

[Agape]

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
What if
the event horizon and singularities
and all other "dark" things
are more than meet the blind eye.

What if
all quantum states are recorded and entangled
to be borrowed
when the "time is right"
by someone who reaches for the jump of faith or quantum leap.

Will they jump in space or time
or just change the pattern, the "reality" surrounding them?

Does variation equals time
or is time just another variation?

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...or maybe I just have vivid dreams....

Don't forget to count you ( or your 'jumper' ) to the quantum equation . We are , as a matter of fact, floating in overlapping 'quantum fields' of which we can't make great sense or even take a notice
simply because we do not generate enough energy to 'lock ' into those fields .

Jake :

Myriads of phenomena happening unnoticed ... yet ... they are inevitable part of causality that can be tracked back ..

illusions are ... illusions . Large part of human mind works with and through itself - its own processors , metaphors, intel-circuits , memory drives , loads of software ,
and much of the above is ... artificial constructs of illusory character .

Reality is reality . There's one important part of biological intelligence that is more OR less capable of reflecting physical reality to certain degree ( isn't it just amazing ) .
It enables us to cope with environment .
Essentially , we do that only for own survival .


Biological Time mimics functions of 'sidereal time' with some amazing accuracy .

Of course we have little if any idea that this is happening usually unless you 'get lost' , in place or in time .

However , our 'biological clock' is also adjustable .. it can align with other 'times' of dimensional realities if necessary .


''Catching up on time''

Entering a Time-Space field for the first time ..
how does it feel ?

Oh so marvellous , so exciting , everything that was old
is being transpositioned , transformed
to a new pattern

Yet .. I need MY time to marvel
at the flower of creation emerging
in its new timely cover up

My chaotic neurons chasing the fireflies
of photonic flashes of this new time
so un-coordinated , catching the picture ..

like child trying to get hold of big fish

so is catching up on time .


Illusion it is .. I'm the fish too

[Rich]

Guys, nothing that we can think of exists, only that which we cannot think of exists. If something is real it doesn't require a thought!!!!
We create the illusions so we can live, nothing wrong with it, it's beautiful.

I am not saying your theories are wrong, every theory is right depending on where one looks from, I am just offering yet another perspective.

[araucaria]

Posted by EmEx (here)
Guys, nothing that we can think of exists, only that which we cannot think of exists. If something is real it doesn't require a thought!!!!
We create the illusions so we can live, nothing wrong with it, it's beautiful.

I am not saying your theories are wrong, every theory is right depending on where one looks from, I am just offering yet another perspective.

Nothing to see here - it's full of thoughts.
But we saw it. A thought of non-existence, an illusion, a wrong theory, a right theory, is still an energy vibration.
And so is the thought that we can think things out of existence - or not, apparently.

[InCiDeR]

Posted by Agape (here)

Posted by InCiDeR (here)
What if
the event horizon and singularities
and all other "dark" things
are more than meet the blind eye.

What if
all quantum states are recorded and entangled
to be borrowed
when the "time is right"
by someone who reaches for the jump of faith or quantum leap.

Will they jump in space or time
or just change the pattern, the "reality" surrounding them?

Does variation equals time
or is time just another variation?

----

...or maybe I just have vivid dreams....

Don't forget to count you ( or your 'jumper' ) to the quantum equation . We are , as a matter of fact, floating in overlapping 'quantum fields' of which we can't make great sense or even take a notice
simply because we do not generate enough energy to 'lock ' into those fields .

My Lady,

thank you for your precognition

of me

answering your eloquent phrases

before my conscious mind was aware


I guess I tried to catch it

when I referred to a jump of faith

but it was probably the wrong

reflection of me that draw the sound

so it became more of a unit verse than a universe.


This version of me are in cōnsentiō

with your statement

relation should not be ignored

not even the quantum ones


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...and as your future self already am aware,

my past self have liked every dish you have served

on this "time" table


The interesting part is how the different "jumpers"

have used their relative understanding...


...but as you wrote, we are all fishes

[Finefeather]

Posted by Jake (here)
If I travel faser than the speed of light,, time stops!! So ALL principles of time can only exist within speed of light realities,, ie,,, physical/material worlds... Time can only exist in that box.. that box, my friend,, is an illusion... Therefore, TIME is an illusion..

Not true
Because time as we know it is directly related to duration in the cycles of existence...so any duration/cycle can be related to 'human' time...light speed, which is 299 792 458 (meters / second) just takes a lot more zeros to write down it's wave length...400×10−9 m...something like .00000000004m ? not a mathematician but you know what I mean?

Light as we know it is not visible in the causal world and is considered slow because light is not the fastest thing in the physical/ material world...thought is...and we use it every day of our lives...in our world...but we cannot see it...so that does not mean it does not exist...because it sure exists in higher worlds.

So our 'time' is certainly not an illusion just because we cannot see something out of the range of light sight...things still have duration even if we cannot see them...and things do not stop when they reach the speed of light...least of all, time.

Einstein was wrong because he had no idea that higher worlds existed...and that relativity extends beyond the physical into the higher worlds.

The illusion is thinking that light is somehow a boundary to our existence in the physical world...it is not...

Blind people may not be able to see but they can certainly experience time.

Take care
Ray

PS...In the higher worlds creation by thought is virtually instantaneous and we experience by much much higher octaves of color...which scientists know nothing about because they cannot see it...so they maintain it does not exist.

[Agape]

Well, you know for example in ancient India , the people who dwelled on the 'Great Illusion' theory were known as Maya-vadins ,

it's definitely very attractive and tempting theory ..

from its own unique point of view you can equally reclaim Space to be part of this Great Illusion . There's no way to prove or disprove to you whether Space itself is real, yes you are 'experiencing it' but is your experience also 'real' ?



The Mahamaya theory is of course, still , one essential human cosmological but also psycho-spiritual , philosophical concepts but it was since defeated and crossed over many times by more sublime understandings and refined logic systems/ philosophies
that include Buddhist schools of Prasangika Madhyamika - valid reasoning - about emptiness of inherent existence in any observable phenomenon , observer and observation itself ,
and 20th century great exponents of theory of relativity who worked out , essentially the same idea in still more refined manner ..


Thus, crossing the 'abyss of emptiness' we arrive at intersection , literally , we are walking at the razor edge of two merging time-space realities ..


but you may not understand that yet

[Finefeather]

Posted by EmEx (here)
Guys, nothing that we can think of exists, only that which we cannot think of exists. If something is real it doesn't require a thought!!!!
We create the illusions so we can live, nothing wrong with it, it's beautiful.

I am not saying your theories are wrong, every theory is right depending on where one looks from, I am just offering yet another perspective.

Sorry this makes very little common sense to me...I can think of my daughter or my car etc etc etc etc.... and all exist...
Of course it might be useful to be able to think things away hey
When you go to sleep tonight...do not think about it else you are going to wake up exhausted from lack of sleep

Everything that exists was created from thought...nothing can exist without it having been thought of... thought is creative energy.

[Rich]

Ray you really misunderstood my post.
I was talking about absolute reality not relative reality, you are talking about something completely different.
I was talking about the fact that we create our illusions with thought.
Araucaria, excellent post, really enjoyed that.

[araucaria]

Posted by EmEx (here)
Ray you really misunderstood my post.
I was talking about absolute reality not relative reality, you are talking about something completely different.
I was talking about the fact that we create our illusions with thought.
Araucaria, excellent post, really enjoyed that.

When you postulate two sorts of reality, you get two sorts of feedback.
In an essay called ‘Circular time’ (time-flies-like-a-banana time ), Jorge Luis Borges ends with a discussion of Marcus Aurelius, whom he has already quoted:

Marcus Aurelius affirms the analogous, but not identical, nature of multifarious human destinies. He affirms that any time span – a century, a year, a single night, perhaps the ungraspable present – contains the entirety of history. In its extreme form, the conjecture is easily refuted: one taste is different from another, ten minutes of physical pain are not the same as ten minutes of algebra. Applied to lengthier periods, to the seventy years of age that the Book of Psalms allots us, the conjecture is plausible and tolerable. It becomes no more than an affirmation that the number of human perceptions, emotions, thoughts, and vicissitudes is limited, and that before dying we will exhaust them all. Marcus Aurelius repeats: “To see the things of the present moment is to see all that is now, all that has been since time began, and all that shall be unto the world’s end; for all things are of one kind and one form (Reflections VI, 37).
In times of ascendancy, the conjecture that man’s existence is a constant, unvarying quantity can sadden or irritate us; in times of decline (such as the present), it holds out the assurance that no ignominy, no calamity, no dictator, can impoverish us.

Borges returns to the subject in “A new refutation of time”, quoting “a fifth-century Buddhist treatise, the Visuddhimagga, or The Path to Purity”: “Strictly speaking, the life of a being lasts as long as an idea. Just as a rolling carriage wheel touches earth at only one point, so life lasts as a single idea.” But he closes as follows:

And yet, and yet… To deny temporal succession, to deny the self, to deny the astronomical universe, appear to be acts of desperation and are secret consolations. Our destiny (unlike the hell of Swedenborg and the hell of Tibetan mythology) is not terrifying because it is unreal; it is terrifying because it is irreversible and iron-bound. Time is the substance of which I am made. Time is a river that sweeps me along, but I am that river; it is a tiger that mangles me, but I am the tiger; it is a fire that consumes me, but I am the fire. The world, unfortunately, is real; I, unfortunately, am Borges.
“Freund, es ist auch genug. Im Fall du mehr willst lesen,
So geh und werde selbst die Schrift und selbst das Wesen.“
[Friend, this is enough. Should you wish to read more,/Go and yourself become the writing, yourself the essence.]
– Angelus Silesius Cherubinischer Wandersmann VI, 263 (1675)

[petter]

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[Sirius White]

Kozyrev figured out what time was.

You know how they say, "time is money." Actually, TIME is ENERGY.

TIME FLOW, is LOCAL....space travel is TIME TRAVEL. Regeneration is akin to implosion, or inward movement, towards the zero-point, and this is, what is known as TIME REVERSAL- or PHASE CONJUGATION. Meanwhile, destruction, or explosiveness, is outward (standard entropic) movement (radiative), when something explodes, or creates a reaction it moves fast, at small and large scales.

Mainstream science, only understands explosion currently- thus, it only understands time moving forward, death, decay, and entropy. Tapping into radiative energy as a source

Hidden/Secret science understands Implosion, thus they understand about regeneration, time reversal, rejuvenation, and negative entropy. They tap into implosive, or zero point energy.

The MEASUREMENT of time is the Illusion. Time itself, dictates the pace of all life. Time-flow is local and different according to environment, gravity, light, electromagnetism in general as the Aether. Each local physical environment has a hierarchy of how time-flow is distributed or flowing at different ratio's. In otherwords, time is the orchestra master of life, and God is the one who writes the Music.

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Finally, time is not horizontal, or linear, but actually Vertical, or non-linear. IT is countless moments and permutations stacked upon one another infinitely. How Vertical Time is collapsed into Horizontal time is not much different than the double slit interpretation of an electron...Observation. Wave probability, to state we observe.....or wave-form, to particle form. Cloud state, to material state.

So we know of forward and backward time, but what about orthogonal or other angles? This is known, by the secret military, as "orthorotation." ? Essentially this means time also bleeds from here, to and also from other dimensions. Meaning, how we talked about the electron before, it changes its angle of rotation which we normally think to be "locked." Similarly, quantum technologies are now tapping into the "probability states" of the electron to maximize energy, for example in quantum dot television. Time is impacted by everything and time impacts everything.

Little do you all know the secrets of time are right there, in our observations, in what we don't see, and even in the most basic of physics theories.

Go back to Kozyrev...see how he thought of time, "absorption" and "release." The Sun is a "time generator." It dictates not just the revolution of planets and gravity, but TIME flow. What we see is only, the outer, entropic side, not the neg-entropic. Kozyrev coined it "Torsion."

Time......................

[Rich]

Posted by araucaria (here)
He affirms that any time span – a century, a year, a single night, perhaps the ungraspable present – contains the entirety of history.

Exactly, does that not show us that time does not exist? Except as a concept, an important concept that allows us to live, but a concept non the less.

[Jake]

Posted by Finefeather (here)
The illusion is thinking that light is somehow a boundary to our existence in the physical world...it is not...
Ray

I can go with that..

Serious White said that the illusion is thinking that we can measure time... I can go with that too..


I still maintain that time is a quality that only exist to an observer.. like a probability..

I am also seeing that the word ILLUSION may have different connotations and/or definitions...

Death is an illusion.. There is no death, only transition.. All concepts of physical death come fromwithin the illusion... Physical universes are the foamy biproduct on the edge of an ocean of other realities.. MOST of them,, non-physical... Attempting to define an illusion from within an illusion is flawed.. imho...

Anything that is not required for my existence will become illusory.And TIME is one of those things...

I am a musician. Omni, you may be able to appreciate this..

When arranging or creating a song,, the Tempo is quite important to the overall feel and message of the creation.. The Tempo is the time signature.. if we change the Tempo, we do NOT change the song,, only the cadence, the 'feel'.. In this example TIME exists only in relationship with other qualities... AND CAN BE CHANGED.. Now, when I am lying in bed at night, going over a song,, or a part of the song,,, I can't help but notice that as I slip into deeper states,, it becomes difficult, even impossible to keep a steady tempo in my head. A beat does not cycle in regular intervals,, they are elongated or rushed and they are not regular or consistent. The further I engage the more subtle (non-physical) thought processes, the more apparant the illusion of ordered and structured time.. Why can I not keep a tempo i meditation or trance?

Ray said it, I think.. Thought is a faster than light process, and does not understand Time, though it adapts.. Clinging to a belief can and will limit your experience,, overall... Time is a belief stemming from the complete denial of our non physical makeup...

Creation and experience happen simultaneously. ? No time...

Clinging to the rocks and twigs at the bottom of a river will not set you free.. Let go!!! Soon you swimming whilst others cling to the rocks...

I see the river of time as being frozen,,, and each moment is now... Forever... Can anyone pont to the exact moment when NOW ends and the next moment begins?? The experience of passing moments is not required beyond the physical belief system territories.

Have you never woke from a dream or astral experience where you were sure that it had been a lifetime,, only to find that a couple hours has passed???? Somewher, in another physical universe,, I am napping on a beach... Two time streams at complete odds with one another.. When I wake up,, will I tell myself that it was all a dream????

Merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily
Jake

[Rich]

Time means something has happened or will happen.
So the very definition of time negates time itself.
Because every moment that has passed doesn't exist anymore.
Every moment that is yet to come, doesn't exist now.
Time is the concept that something has happened (or will) and since it Has already happened it is Not.

[Omni]

Posted by EmEx (here)
Time means something has happened or will happen.
So the very definition of time negates time itself.
Because every moment that has passed doesn't exist anymore.
Every moment that is yet to come, doesn't exist now.
Time is the concept that something has happened (or will) and since it Has already happened it is Not.

There is still the present moment moving forward. Which is kind of what time is. The past and future are ways to quantify time into an understanding. But time itself is the movement forward of the present moment.

[Jake]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by EmEx (here)
Time means something has happened or will happen.
So the very definition of time negates time itself.
Because every moment that has passed doesn't exist anymore.
Every moment that is yet to come, doesn't exist now.
Time is the concept that something has happened (or will) and since it Has already happened it is Not.

There is still the present moment moving forward. Which is kind of what time is. The past and future are ways to quantify time into an understanding. But time itself is the movement forward of the present moment.

Nothing in physics alludes to any sort of difference between time moving forward or backwards... just fyi... the direction of time seems to be subjuctive too...


We can point to Entropy... the physical universes are bound to 'break apart'... The non physical universes tend to organize and cohere.. it takes less energy to destroy, than to create... This creates a causal direction of time... And an obvious conundrum.. (in physical locales..)

Outside of physicality, , it is all naked experience.... NO TIME...

prove me wrong!!!

Jake


Entropy....

[Omni]

Posted by Jake (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by EmEx (here)
Time means something has happened or will happen.
So the very definition of time negates time itself.
Because every moment that has passed doesn't exist anymore.
Every moment that is yet to come, doesn't exist now.
Time is the concept that something has happened (or will) and since it Has already happened it is Not.

There is still the present moment moving forward. Which is kind of what time is. The past and future are ways to quantify time into an understanding. But time itself is the movement forward of the present moment.

Nothing in physics alludes to any sort of difference between time moving forward or backwards... just fyi... the direction of time seems to be subjuctive too...


We can point to Entropy... the physical universes are bound to 'break apart'... The non physical universes tend to organize and cohere.. it takes less energy to destroy, than to create... This creates a causal direction of time... And an obvious conundrum.. (in physical locales..)

Outside of physicality, , it is all naked experience.... NO TIME...

prove me wrong!!!

Jake


Entropy....

Have you ever experienced a moment when you were not moving forward in the present moment through time? I think it's possible that such is an immutable natural law, the present moment going forward. I obviously am not aware of everything. But I have never observed a moment of time where it was going backwards. I'm sure that illusion is very possible with some sort of technological mind trick though...

[Innocent Warrior]

As far as I understand, when people say, "time is an illusion", it is understood they mean what David Icke explains in the following video, skip to the 3:05 minute mark to watch the DVD analogy. There are also videos on relativity and how movement affects time, which in turn somehow changes what's in the moving observer's past (a bit over my head).

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=DIgyo_sIJeU

I agree that the phrase, "time is illusiory" would be more accurate but not that it's required to have a conscious experience. It always exists as an option but to experience it can be out of necessity or choice or not at all. The concept of time arises from experiencing a measured sequence of events. Consciousness, movement and measurement is required for time to be experienced but time is not required for one to have a conscious experience.

[protoflex]

The proper way to put it is... "time is a misconception".

Reality is an illusion.

[Omni]

Posted by protoflex (here)
The proper way to put it is... "time is a misconception".

I agree. Although time I think is better summed up by simply saying it exists, and is a real thing part of objective reality.

Reality is an illusion.

The definition of the word reality is what is real. So reality cannot be an illusion. I think the proper way to say it under that context would be: "there is no reality"...

Saying reality is an illusion is basically saying there is no reality. I disagree with that idea personally. There are truths to reality, and there are illusions IMO. To say the whole thing is an illusion I'm not sure allows for finding the finer details about illusions/truths within reality if there is no such thing as truth.