PQQ - Pyrroloquinoline Quinone, For More Energy

[Natalia]

PQQ may help those with CFS/ME and other health conditions that effect the mitochondria or where people need more physical energy

Mike recommend that I take them because they worked for him, so I started taking 20 mg per day yesterday I am feeling hopeful

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[Baby Steps]

Anything that is good for Mitochondria may help with Cancer!!

[DeDukshyn]

The company I work for sells a PQQ and CoQ10 combo :http://www.aor.ca/products-page/adva...q-4/#label_tab

We recently received a letter of praise from two individuals who had been recommended this product from a naturopath to use for extreme fatigue and stress (physical and mental exhaustion), and they had nothing but absolute praise for how well it worked for them. This is just an anecdote of course, and I don't know much about how this product or particularly PQQ works, but we also put PQQ in our cellular energy powerhouse product called Mito-charger (currently only available in USA I think)- which functions to encourage efficient energy production and replication at the mitochondrial level; so there definitely must be something to PQQ in being able to aid this.


BTW Natalia, I saw your list of supplements that you take on another thread for your condition, and you look to me to be going about it right - based on latest research. Some may argue the use of lipoic acid, but as long as you use the R(+) form, as opposed to the racemic S(-) form you should be fine. I also see that you are taking d-Ribose - this is good. The only thing I didn't see in your list is anything for mood. CFS and Fibromyalgia are somehow related to mood and pharma antidepressants are often prescribed for these conditions. Griffonia seed extract may be something you might want to look into as well - we include it in our Fibromyalgia product along with the D-Ribose.

[Natalia]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
The company I work for sells a PQQ and CoQ10 combo :http://www.aor.ca/products-page/adva...q-4/#label_tab

We recently received a letter of praise from two individuals who had been recommended this product from a naturopath to use for extreme fatigue and stress (physical and mental exhaustion), and they had nothing but absolute praise for how well it worked for them. This is just an anecdote of course, and I don't know much about how this product or particularly PQQ works, but we also put PQQ in our cellular energy powerhouse product called Mito-charger (currently only available in USA I think)- which functions to encourage efficient energy production and replication at the mitochondrial level; so there definitely must be something to PQQ in being able to aid this.


BTW Natalia, I saw your list of supplements that you take on another thread for your condition, and you look to me to be going about it right - based on latest research. Some may argue the use of lipoic acid, but as long as you use the R(+) form, as opposed to the racemic S(-) form you should be fine. I also see that you are taking d-Ribose - this is good. The only thing I didn't see in your list is anything for mood. CFS and Fibromyalgia are somehow related to mood and pharma antidepressants are often prescribed for these conditions. Griffonia seed extract may be something you might want to look into as well - we include it in our Fibromyalgia product along with the D-Ribose.

Thanks for sharing those success stories, DeDukshyn

That combo of Q10 and PQQ sounds good, and the less capsules/tablets taken, the better (so less irritation on the stomach/gut), that is exactly the dose that I am taking in 2 pills.

Your post inspired me to take this pic of all of the supplements that I take (oops, forgot to add the B12 spray and Vitamin D3 spray, as I keep them in my hand bag).


A few weeks ago I started to take the R form of A Lipoic acid, but before it was the usual form as I did not know about the difference...(that I think may have been a mix of S and R...?...it was from Now Foods...)

I do take a herbal medicine mixture (prescribed by a specialist cfs doctor) that has in it things that can help the mood (as well as other anti viral herbs), and that is damiana (but that accidentally increased my sex drive for the first few months, lol, it seems to have calmed down now...)...and camomile...But maybe something else could help?

A new thing that I started taking is a quality B vitamin complex (suggested by Olaf, thank you, I have noticed a bit more improvement since taking it a few weeks ago). Before, I cut out a multi vitamin and B complex (which I didn't take often) because my folic acid level was too high and that can have health risks...but I am trying it again and that is supposed to help with mood...

[Natalia]

Wow. It was my first day at work while taking PQQ (which I started taking 3 days ago) and I was surprised by how fast I was working (data entry)...my speed had increased by about a third (and was very nearly back to normal) and there was less brainfog.

Can the PQQ work that fast!? Makes sense if it produces new mitocondria...(it could also be to do with the B vitamins kicking in...)...

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Natalia (here)
Wow. It was my first day at work while taking PQQ (which I started taking 3 days ago) and I was surprised by how fast I was working (data entry)...my speed had increased by about a third (and was very nearly back to normal) and there was less brainfog.

Can the PQQ work that fast!? Makes sense if it produces new mitocondria...(it could also be to do with the B vitamins kicking in...)...

A good complex of B vitamins can do wonders for cognitive health and focus especially if you had any deficiencies. The quality of the Bs make a difference as well -- they are not all the same form from brand to brand and some forms are almost required over other cheaper ones.

In the response I noted above on the PQQ and coQ10 combo, the users claimed it helped in just two days ... maybe I should try some of this stuff

[Olaf]

Can the PQQ work that fast!?

Yes, it can - but it depends.
In the citrat cycle + respiratory chain (which are the two parts of the chemical process that produces ATP in mitochondria) the following nutrients are needed as parts of the motor. To be more accurate: they are parts of the gears in that mitochondrial motors:

- B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, biotin, folat (= all B-vitamins)
- alpha lipon acid
- K, Mg, Zn, Fe, Cu
- some helper substances that normally are recycled

If only one of these substances is missing, the whole process does not work.
Instead of producing 60 kg ATP per day in this case the body can only produce 20...30 kg.
People feel it. They feel weak, they are tired, they feel cold.

When you substitute the missing substance with the right amount, you will feel an effect within 2...5 days.

But: When another substance of those mentioned above is also missing, you will only feel a small effect or no effect, even when you are doing the right thing.

That's why the proper sequence of substances is so important (or even better: a good laboratory investigation, but most people cannot pay it).

It is recommended to start in this order:
- Zn, Fe - if needed
- K, Mg - if symptoms are present or if you have a strong loss of electrolytes due to sweating, acidation
- B12, B1, B3, B2, B5, B6, in this order of significance
- alpha lipon acid (rarely missing)
- Q10 (missing in older people), PQQ
- others like ribose, galactose, choline, cystein, taurin, other amino acids
- some helper substances that normally are recycled

Every 4th day you can add the next nutrient.
The dosis needed are above the 10fold of the daily dosis which is provided by a normal vitamin b -complex.
Normally a deficiency of B-vitamins can be cured within 1...8 weeks.

There can be conditions (nitrosative stress, cryptopyrroluria) which destroy B-vitamins, so that some people will need a permanent substitution.

Mg + Zink are needed to transfer some of the B-vitamins into a working, acitivated form. If they are missing you have the same effect like a deficiency of B1, B2, B6.

Strong deficiencies of electrolytes (magnesium, zinc, potassium, ferrum) need much more time to be cured (some months).

Most of the additional nutrients leave the body after some hours - so there is a lot of waste. The problem is the same with infusions.

[lucidity]

good catch Natalia :-)

http://www.lef.org/Magazine/2011/2/G...th-PQQ/Page-01

http://altmedrev.com/publications/14/3/268.pdf

be happy

lucidity :-)

[DeDukshyn]

Bought some today! Let's see if this works for me; I don't have major cfs or anything, but I definitely have energy issues it would seem. I find a good b complex works well for me, but the one I take (the one the company I work for makes)doesn't have PQQ -- although we have seriously considered adding it, the issue is we'd have to increase the product's price, PQQ is expensive.

If it works well for me, I'll try to report it back here.

[Flash]

Posted by Olaf (here)

Can the PQQ work that fast!?

Yes, it can - but it depends.
In the citrat cycle + respiratory chain (which are the two parts of the chemical process that produces ATP in mitochondria) the following nutrients are needed as parts of the motor. To be more accurate: they are parts of the gears in that mitochondrial motors:

- B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, biotin, folat (= all B-vitamins)
- alpha lipon acid
- K, Mg, Zn, Fe, Cu
- some helper substances that normally are recycled

If only one of these substances is missing, the whole process does not work.
Instead of producing 60 kg ATP per day in this case the body can only produce 20...30 kg.
People feel it. They feel weak, they are tired, they feel cold.

When you substitute the missing substance with the right amount, you will feel an effect within 2...5 days.

But: When another substance of those mentioned above is also missing, you will only feel a small effect or no effect, even when you are doing the right thing.

That's why the proper sequence of substances is so important (or even better: a good laboratory investigation, but most people cannot pay it).

It is recommended to start in this order:
- Zn, Fe - if needed
- K, Mg - if symptoms are present or if you have a strong loss of electrolytes due to sweating, acidation
- B12, B1, B2, B3, B5, B6, in this order of significance
- alpha lipon acid (rarely missing)
- Q10 (missing in older people), PQQ
- others like ribose, galactose, choline, cystein, taurin, other amino acids
- some helper substances that normally are recycled

Every 4th day you can add the next nutrient.
The dosis needed are above the 10fold of the daily dosis which is provided by a normal vitamin b -complex.
Normally a deficiency of B-vitamins can be cured within 1...8 weeks.

There can be conditions (nitrosative stress, cryptopyrroluria) which destroy B-vitamins, so that some people will need a permanent substitution.

Mg + Zink are needed to transfer some of the B-vitamins into a working, acitivated form. If they are missing you have the same effect like a deficiency of B1, B2, B6.

Strong deficiencies of electrolytes (magnesium, zinc, potassium, ferrum) need much more time to be cured (some months).

Most of the additional nutrients leave the body after some hours - so there is a lot of waste. The problem is the same with infusions.

Many thanks, I just sent it to a friend who had cancer and is not coming back from energiticaly Wise, a few years after her traditional treatments.

I will use it too.

Can we have the name of the company you work for once again because I know they have quality products.

[Olaf]

Posted by Flash (here)
Can we have the name of the company you work for once again because I know they have quality products.

I do not work for any company. I am a health practitioner and I am working as a homeopath since 1999.

In 2006 I started dealing with mitochondrial dysfunctions in my own body and in my patients. Since then I learned a lot about that, mainly from two German physicians, who developed independently systems to improve and restore mitochondrial functions: Dr. Bodo Kuklinski and Dr. Heinrich Kremer (Cellsymbiosis therapy).
Both systems are basing on a large amount of published clinical studies that examined how natural substances can improve and restore mitochondric function. For instance there exist more than 5000 studies, that document the benefits of curcumine in cancer.(!)

Meanwhile both scientists know each other and included elements of the therapie of each other into their own system. I do the same.

I also had CFS in 2006 and cancer in 2009 - so that gives me some self experiences what can be acchieved with those methods.

Today about 60% of my patients need mitochondrial therapy - these are the people who feel weak, have cancer, bad cognital functions, bad sleep, dizziness, pains of unknown causes, diabetes II, metabolic sndrome, indigestion, ...

A lot of them have significant deficiencies of vitamin B12, other B-vitamins and radical catchers such as vitamine C, E and mitochondrial substances.
Before I started using laboratory methods in 2006 I had no idea, that so many people may have so significant deficiencies. In my training I learned, that you can have no deficiencies whith the usual diets in western Europe.
This is wrong! Those deficiencies are the results of chemical processes, that consume vitamins, electrolytes and other substances. They are not the result of malnutriation.

My post above gives you an idea of the most frequent deficiencies. I made some posts in other threads where I have explained certain aspects in more detail.