Enlightenment - A direct, succinct account of what occurs...

[KaiLee]

I do that thing too. Just short of releasing myself and freak out. The other day I did go beyond myself. And came crashing back quick smart. But it was a strange experience. At first I was lifting up, but as soon as I realised myself (3Dself) I began to fall. I had to accept the fall and I fell with the fall. No fear. As soon as I removed the fear I saw/experienced myself in topaz blue with stars. And, I was outstretched, reminding me later of crucifixtion. I then was here again. My body was full of sensation.

This was not an experience of I AM that I'd had years previously. It felt like a cleansing of some sort. Could it have been a kundalini experience? The colour made me consider that combined with the physical sensations I felt after it was over.

Edited to note the colour was actually cobolt blue.

[Grizz Griswold]

Thanks Tim, for this thread.

Hope many others use it and benefit from your insight.

In gratitude ....barry

[Shadowman]

Posted by KaiLee (here)
I do that thing too. Just short of releasing myself and freak out. The other day I did go beyond myself. And came crashing back quick smart. But it was a strange experience. At first I was lifting up, but as soon as I realised myself (3Dself) I began to fall. I had to accept the fall and I fell with the fall. No fear. As soon as I removed the fear I saw/experienced myself in topaz blue with stars. And, I was outstretched, reminding me later of crucifixtion. I then was here again. My body was full of sensation.

This was not an experience of I AM that I'd had years previously. It felt like a cleansing of some sort. Could it have been a kundalini experience? The colour made me consider that combined with the physical sensations I felt after it was over.

Edited to note the colour was actually cobolt blue.

Hi Kailee,

Welcome to the thread and thanks for sharing. Excuse my tardy response.

The manifestations of mind vary from individual to individual.

Attempting to analyse or categorize them can be an endless loop.

The trick is to just remain with the I AM witness/ feeling/being you referred to

and treat all manifestations with equanimity,


In Lak'ech/With Love
tim

[Shadowman]

Posted by Grizz Griswold (here)
Thanks Tim, for this thread.

Hope many others use it and benefit from your insight.

In gratitude ....barry

Thanks Gribazz ;-)

It goes without saying you are most welcome.

Been away from the forum for a little while, looking forward to

catching up with your latest insights and posts,

With Love,
tim

[Meggings]

post removed with apologies

[Meggings]

ENLIGHTENMENT - "occurs in the light" (from A Course in Miracles)
This rings true. In looking for a place to post it for your consideration, I came here.

Miracles are seen in light. The body's eyes do not perceive the light. But I am not a body.

...light is crucial. While you remain in darkness, the miracle remains unseen. Thus you are convinced it is not there.
This follows from the premises from which the darkness comes. Denial of light leads to failure to perceive it.
Failure to perceive light is to perceive darkness.
The light is useless to you then, even though it is there.
You cannot use it because its presence is unknown to you.
And the seeming reality of the darkness makes the idea of light meaningless.
To be told that what you do not see is there sounds like insanity.

The miracle is always there.
Its presence is not caused by your vision; its absence is not the result of your failure to see.
It is only your awareness of miracles that is affected.
You will see them in the light; you will not see them in the dark.

[Guish]

What we see is a reflection of our thoughts. What do we see when we get beyond the thought process? Nothing. We see life as a drama with people playing roles they have learned. That's a crucial point because one is aware that it's a play while others take the play seriously. Careful because while watching the play, you may start acting again too.

[greybeard]

Posted by Guish (here)
What we see is a reflection of our thoughts. What do we see when we get beyond the thought process? Nothing. We see life as a drama with people playing roles they have learned. That's a crucial point because one is aware that it's a play while others take the play seriously. Careful because while watching the play, you may start acting again too.

Yes very true Guish.
So easy to get drawn in.
That's our conditioning, that's what is expected of us.
Right action will happen if we step aside from the me.
"Of my self I do nothing"

Chris

[Meggings]

Posted by Guish (here)
What we see is a reflection of our thoughts. What do we see when we get beyond the thought process? Nothing. We see life as a drama with people playing roles they have learned. That's a crucial point because one is aware that it's a play while others take the play seriously. Careful because while watching the play, you may start acting again too.

My experience differs, Guish. What I see is a reflection of my vibrational level, the frequency I am in, whether high or low. This vibrational set-point determines what I see and experience. My thought comes into the equation as it affects what vibration I am in, but my world does not reflect my thoughts. My world reflects my love. The level of LOVE (of frequency) I live within is the LIGHT THROUGH WHICH I SEE, and is what determines what my eyes see and my body encounters.

Experientially I have risen high in the vibratory condition of LOVE and have seen human beings disappear to my physical sight. I have seen other dimensional levels open up in front of me while walking to the barn to shovel manure. I have had visitors appear in my rooms from higher dimensions because of the vibrational state I am in, not from my thoughts. These are the small "miracles" that living in light confers. When in that state, thought arose and action was taken, determined by love and not by thought.

Bear with me as I examine what feels like "cognitive dissonance" within me over thoughts. Thinking is a tool, it is not the enemy. Ego can be construed as "enemy" which also uses the tool of thought. I understand that there is beneficial ego and harmful ego.

You issue a caveat to take care, else you may start acting again. But Life acts through us; we are designed to act; we learn and expand and help and grow through acting. Why would one take care NOT to act? Why would one seek to not think? Better by far would be to WITNESS the thoughts, the thinking. This leads to clear seeing that they are tools, they have use, they are not to be abandoned. How could enlightened beings speak if they were not using the tool of thought to form words. to conceive actions? I find the witness state comes easier as I reach higher up towards the Love frequency.

This is not my experience: "What do we see when we get beyond the thought process? Nothing." I travel through the black ethers and see a great deal of life when my personality is awake and aware of these travels, yet apparently is having "no thought" even though I often speak physically audible words as I watch this or that interesting thing. I have visited our Sun, and Uranus, and various other objects in our solar system when not "thinking", but I have come to the certainty that there is a higher part of me that thinks and wills these travels.

Once I heard the higher travelling part of me ask an unseen companion to show me "The Divine Blueprint" I had often wondered about. And I was taken there to behold a vast living mandala of light pathways, on which larger and lessor lights moves at different speeds along some of the light pathways. THOUGHT took me there. Once I asked another unseen companion what these beautiful colours were that were pressing up against my etheric body. The thought came back, "Angels". Thought exists in higher realms beyond 3D earth. And what we see when our personality is having "no thought" is not "nothing".

Forgive me for rambling. I am close on to vomiting, as most in this household have already done so - a bug came through visiting friends on the weekend. My thinking may not be clear enough to warrant a response on this post, but with cat on my lap and sick people in most beds, I am rather tied to my computer chair at the moment. Apologies if I have been in any way incoherent here.

One last point - I love stories. Always thought it was because God loves stories or he would not have designed us and the universes as they are - designed so that stories can unfold that expand us, that strengthen us, that teach us. I see no need to invalidate thoughts or dramas, for I see them as tools. When we touch on the Witness state, it can all be rather enjoyable. I have never understood those who eschew being physical human beings, who eschew the tools we are given to think and act and feel.

[Guish]

Hi,

Any experience that occurs after the no-thought moment comes from the soul. When I say nothing, it means nothing to the conceptual mind. Nothing is everything. In the nothing is love, compassion, detachment and an infinite number of characteristics. In my experience, I don't think about love or compassion. It happens on its own. All spiritual experiences comes when one is beyond mind and body. Words can't really describe the moment. Haha.

[Meggings]

Hi Guish, I apologize to you in a way, because I cannot wrap my head around some of the concepts you write. When I was confined to my computer for a good part of today, I indulged myself in saying that I don't see it as you wrote above. But I really want to add that I seem to simply have a mental block for some concepts. I've lived in "no thought" and mostly "with thought", and my experience is that my soul speaks to me and through me all the time, with or without thought operating.

Perhaps glitches for me come from such statements as, "All spiritual experiences comes when one is beyond mind and body." I experience spirituality in pouring the morning glass of water. I "fall upwards" and touch divinity, even as my mind says blessings for the world as I pour out drinking water. I cannot seem to separate mind from body from spiritual from mundane with clearly defined lines - it is all the one flowing.

So here I bow my head in friendship to you, bowing to your erudition while trusting to my experiential proclivities.

[greybeard]

Tim would possibly give a clearer answer.
My understanding is that Truth is form--formless---both and neither.
That does my head in---laughing.

Chris

[Shadowman]

Posted by Meggings (here)
ENLIGHTENMENT - "occurs in the light" (from A Course in Miracles)
This rings true. In looking for a place to post it for your consideration, I came here.

Miracles are seen in light. The body's eyes do not perceive the light. But I am not a body.

...light is crucial. While you remain in darkness, the miracle remains unseen. Thus you are convinced it is not there.
This follows from the premises from which the darkness comes. Denial of light leads to failure to perceive it.
Failure to perceive light is to perceive darkness.
The light is useless to you then, even though it is there.
You cannot use it because its presence is unknown to you.
And the seeming reality of the darkness makes the idea of light meaningless.
To be told that what you do not see is there sounds like insanity.

The miracle is always there.
Its presence is not caused by your vision; its absence is not the result of your failure to see.
It is only your awareness of miracles that is affected.
You will see them in the light; you will not see them in the dark.

Hello Meggings,

Welcome to the thread and thank you for your post.

Relatively, my time on the forum currently is limited.

In order to be of service to you the following is put forward for your consideration;

1. Please differentiate between your own comments and quotes from other sources. The above is mostly
from Lesson 91 in the Course in Miracles, yet you only highlighted in blue the opening phrase;

http://www.acim.org/Lessons/lesson.html?lesson=91

2. Please read the opening post carefully. This, together with the links and subsequent posts should give you a clear
intellectual foundation of what is meant in this thread by enlightenment.

3. After doing so, if you find that the state hinted towards "rings true" for you, please give a brief description of your
attempts to realize it, including any specific techniques applied ie ACIM, Yoga in any of its forms, meditation, etc.

4. There is only one way for you to know without doubt the non dual reality, that is to realize it. Until then, humour me
for a moment. If you met an Awakened Being, but could only put forward one question concerning your own personal
enlightenment, or spiritual awakening, what would that be?

5. Please take your time formulating the question. The deeper and more genuine the enquiry, coming from your
"heart" or "being" rather than from any intellectual curiosity, or reaction, will likely derive greater insight/benefit.


6. The only worthwhile miracle is the evanescence or dissolution of the ego (which was never real in the first place).
Sinning (Biblical trans Hamartia - missing the "Point" ie unified eternal reality) is simply seeing the unreal as real.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamartia

Namaste/With Love
tim


The following clarifications are from Foundation for a Course in Miracles;

https://www.facim.org/online-learnin...px#happy-dream

Ego

the belief in the reality of the separated or false self, made as substitute for the Self Which God created; the thought
of separation that gives rise to sin, guilt, fear, and a thought system based on specialness to protect itself; the part
of the mind that believes it is separate from the Mind of Christ

Illusion

something that is believed to be real but is not; the ultimate illusion is the separation from God, upon which rest all the
manifestations of the separated world which may be understood as distortions in perception; i.e., seeing attack instead
of a call for love, sin instead of error; the illusions of the world reinforce the belief that the body has a value in and of
itself, a source of either pleasure or pain; forgiveness is the final illusion as it forgives what never was, and leads beyond
all illusion to the truth of God.

Knowledge

Heaven, or the pre-separation world of God and His unified creation in which there are no differences or forms, and thus
it is exclusive of the world of perception; not to be confused with the common use of " knowledge," which implies the dualism
of a subject who knows and an object which is known; in the Course it reflects the pure experience of non-duality, with no
subject-object dichotomy.

Heaven

the non-dualistic world of knowledge, wherein dwell God and His creation in the perfect unity of His Will and spirit; though
exclusive of the world of perception, Heaven can be reflected here in the holy relationship and the real world.


This course can therefore be summed up very simply in this way: Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists.
Herein lies the peace of God.

[Meggings]

post removed; I ask your forgiveness
I cannot seem to keep my big mouth shut for long
Love to all,
M

[thunder24]

its funny to think one persons enlightenment is the same as anothers

[Rich]

I find this thread fascinating because of the many different perspectives presented, I do not believe in a final realization but that we are unlimited.

Posted by Meggings (here)
Thus again have I been out of body, seemingly melding with the Mind of God, and not carrying it back into the physical memory cells.

You may find sirdipswitch's thread of interest he talks about this: https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...e-Soul-and-OBE

[Shadowman]

Posted by Meggings (here)
post removed; I ask your forgiveness
I cannot seem to keep my big mouth shut for long
Love to all,
M

Hi Margaret,

There is nothing to forgive.

You were simply expressing your perspective, based on your own experiences.
Before awakening I had several profound and/or extraordinary experiences similiar
to those described by you and Sebastion (Post #86). But these did not satisfy
my deep yearning to know God, or were temporary heightened states/satoris's.

Also, before realization I was always full of questions.

While attending meetings with the Sant Mat group it used to frustrate me no end
when every question seemingly was met with the response;

"Attend to your meditation"

In the search for truth/reality it all eventually comes down to one question "Who am I, really"

Ironically, to receive the answer, the mind must be set aside or quietened.

I cannot seem to keep my big mouth shut for long

Lol, perhaps here you are on the right track ....

They say silence is golden, so shut up and get rich ;-) (hence my avatar)

I honour your journey, and wish you love and laughter along the way.

All paths eventually lead to the mountain peak,

Namaste/With Love
tim

[Rich]

Tim, thanks for talking about your path, I think many of us can relate to this and it is encouraging me/us to carry on.

I do wonder, why are you against going to the Higher Self? I was thinking even if we are enlightened our higher self has to maintain
this dream for our personality, so it surely must know more than we do (while we are dreaming)!
I do believe and experience that there is no Higher or Smaller Self in absolute truth, there is just ''I'', ISness,
but relatively speaking, from life's perspective, I suspect we need the Higher Mind to guide us, because it sees what's going on and we do not.

[Shadowman]

Posted by EmEx (here)
Tim, thanks for talking about your path, I think many of us can relate to this and it is encouraging me/us to carry on.

I do wonder, why are you against going to the Higher Self? I was thinking even if we are enlightened our higher self has to maintain
this dream for our personality, so it surely must know more than we do (while we are dreaming)!
I do believe and experience that there is no Higher or Smaller Self in absolute truth, there is just ''I'', ISness,
but relatively speaking, from life's perspective, I suspect we need the Higher Mind to guide us, because it sees what's going on and we do not.

Hi EmEx,

I do wonder, why are you against going to the Higher Self?

The water is not against the rainbow, nor is the sky against the clouds. What is being offered is a clear distinction between Reality and illusions, for those who are ready to awaken from the dream of duality.

If you have to go somewhere to reach the higher self, it is not the Self referred to in the OP. Bodies and minds may appear to “go” places, but You are neither.

I was thinking even if we are enlightened our higher self has to maintain this dream for our personality, so it surely must know more than we do (while we are dreaming)!

It is the mind which maintains the dream. While there may well be levels of the mind, ego’s, higher selves and all manner of entities within duality, they are all unreal as relative separate forms (yet paradoxically real in the absolute sense, for nothing is or ever was separate from Reality. It is like all the characters in say a Batman movie appearing to be separate from one another, yet all are inseparable from the same screen on which they are projected.)

I do believe and experience that there is no Higher or Smaller Self in absolute truth, there is just ''I'', ISness, but relatively speaking, from life's perspective, I suspect we need the Higher Mind to guide us, because it sees what's going on and we do not.

Here you express an experiential understanding of the absolute truth, but then regress to the relative viewpoint. As you continue to remain as the ISness, the power of the illusory “we/I” that needs guidance will diminish. This can be accelerated by spiritual techniques or sadhana, or even by living a simple well ordered life and not giving reign to the passions of the mind. In short, lol....

Attend to your meditation....

In Lak'ech/ With Love
tim

[Guish]

Posted by tim (here)
This can be accelerated by spiritual techniques or sadhana, or even by living a simple well ordered life and not giving reign to the passions of the mind.
tim

Thanks, Tim. This is what I've been doing the last few years. A simple diet, simple lifestyle and simple way of tackling things. In simplicity lies divinity. Look at the healthiest food available out there; fruits, veggies, nuts.. They are very simple food. On the other hand, the other category of food may not be good for one's health. If one lives a simple life by being detached from material gain, it becomes simple but rich spiritually. People take so much stress and go home. Once, we realise it's useless to do so, we feel liberated. Feeling simple is a major shift. Controlling the mind to feel calm is not the way. There has to be a scientific way, hence meditation. However, I think some people are more inclined towards meditation. I've been a very quiet small child and staying alone has been something natural for me.