Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[Guish]

Some very important points mentioned lately. If creation is an effect of the thought process, we might just be a thought in god's mind.

[greybeard]

Posted by Guish (here)
Some very important points mentioned lately. If creation is an effect of the thought process, we might just be a thought in god's mind.

Its called Idra's Dream or the play of consciousness---or cosmic dance.

You are the dreamer and in the dream.

The important thing is that you exist, have always existed and will always exist.
In order to experience, duality came about---you cant experience without a seeming other.

When you as a person dream you conjure up others.
I would think that God can easily do the same.

Comes back to only God exists and you are that--its singular---One without a second says it all, as does Tim's opening post on his thread..

Much love
Chris

[greybeard]

Tom Campbell - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview
Also see http://batgap.com/tom-campbell/

In February of 2003, Tom published the My Big TOE trilogy (MBT) which represents the results and conclusions of his scientific exploration of the nature of existence. This overarching model of reality, mind, and consciousness explains the paranormal as well as the normal, places spirituality within a scientific context, solves a host of scientific paradoxes and provides direction for those wishing to personally experience an expanded awareness of All That Is. The MBT reality model explains metaphysics, spirituality, love, and human purpose at the most fundamental level, provides a complete theory of consciousness, and solves the outstanding fundamental physics problems of our time, deriving both relativity theory and quantum mechanics from first principles – something traditional physics cannot yet do. As a logic-based work of science, My Big TOE has no basis in belief, dogma, or any unusual assumptions.


What interested me most was when he said that people get the Government that reflects the country’s group consciousness.
The change if any must come from the individual as the individual affects influences the group and total consciousness.
So belly aching about the Government when you are ruled by ego and lack compassion for your fellow man is reflected in the Government you have.
Gandhi made the famous statement "Be the change you want to see"
Basically consciousness has to evolve to survive.
The Ultimate is beyond consciousness, is perfect and therefore does not evolve.

Its a complex interview with scientists language rather than the norm spiritual. However he says that this does not contradict the Mystics view.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=RQl802I9gRw

[Wind]

This might have been posted here before, but I'll post it anyways. Repetition is the mother of learning!

The Three States: Waking, Dreaming & Sleep

There is no difference between the dream and the waking state except that the dream is short and the waking long. Both are the result of the mind. Our real state is called turiya, which is beyond the waking, dream and sleep states.

The Self alone exists and remains as It is. The three states owe their existence to avichara (non-enquiry), and enquiry puts an end to them. However much one may explain, this fact will not become clear until one attains Self-realization, and wonders how he was blind to the self-evident and only existence for so long.

All that we see is a dream, whether we see it in the dream state or waking state. On account of some arbitrary standards about the duration of the experience and so on, we call one experience a dream and another waking experience. With reference to Reality both the experiences are unreal. A man might have an experience such as getting anugraha (grace) in his dream, and the effects and influence of it on his entire subsequent life may be so profound and abiding, that one cannot call it unreal – whilst calling real some trifling incident in the waking life that just flits by, which is casual, of no consequence and is soon forgotten. Once I had an experience, a vision or a dream, whatever you may call it. I and some others, including Chadwick, had a walk on the hill. Returning, we were walking along a huge street with great buildings on either side. Pointing out the street and the buildings, I asked Chadwick and others, whether anybody could say that what we were seeing was a dream, and they all replied, ‘Which fool will say so?’ We then walked along, entered the hall and the vision or dream ceased, or I woke up. What are we to call this?

Just before waking up from sleep, there is a very brief state, free from thought. That should be made permanent. In dreamless sleep there is no world, no ego and no unhappiness, but the Self remains. In the waking state there are all of these. Yet there is the Self. One has only to remove the transitory happenings in order to realize the ever-present beatitude of the Self.

Your nature is bliss. Find that on which all the rest are superimposed and you then remain as the pure Self. In sleep there is no space or time. They are concepts, which arise after the ‘I-thought’ has arisen. You are beyond time and space. The ‘I-thought’ is the limited ‘I’. The real ‘I’ is unlimited, universal, beyond time and space. Just while rising from sleep and before seeing the objective world, there is state of awareness which is your Pure Self. That must be known.

~ Ramana Maharshi

[Guish]

Everything leads to the "In between". In Zen, peace is found between the inhalation and exhalation, Ramana says it's between the state of sleep and being awake, Buddha taught the middle way. Don't fight. Let things come and go. That became the law of impermanence and non-attachment. That's how we transcend duality. It's neither this nor that. A few posts ago, Adya said not to push nor pull. In my experience, it's about becoming the current event to such an extent that the effort made is effortless, the notion of time disappears and the vision is crystal clear.

[greybeard]

Posted by Guish (here)
Everything leads to the "In between". In Zen, peace is found between the inhalation and exhalation, Ramana says it's between the state of sleep and being awake, Buddha taught the middle way. Don't fight. Let things come and go. That became the law of impermanence and non-attachment. That's how we transcend duality. It's neither this nor that. A few posts ago, Adya said not to push nor pull. In my experience, it's about becoming the current event to such an extent that the effort made is effortless, the notion of time disappears and the vision is crystal clear.

This is a brilliant understanding Guish.

Much love
Chris

[Rich]

Really appreciate that post of Ramana, Wind...exactly what I needed to hear.

Posted by greybeard (here)
What interested me most was when he said that people get the Government that reflects the country’s group consciousness.
The change if any must come from the individual as the individual affects influences the group and total consciousness.
So belly aching about the Government when you are ruled by ego and lack compassion for your fellow man is reflected in the Government you have.

Yes, I've said this very thing here on Avalon a few times, people didn't want to believe it.
Because then we have to look at ourselves...am I really behaving this way?
Am I really this destructive?
We cannot be blind to our attitude anymore if we know that the physical is a reflection.
Not what happens, but how we react to it!
As Bashar said: The meaning we give it, determines the effect we get out of it.

Basically consciousness has to evolve to survive.

Yes, because it's Illusion, whatever we look at disappears, this is obvious in meditation...so it has to change to something else to continue existing.

The Ultimate is beyond consciousness, is perfect and therefore does not evolve.

One thing I realized in meditation, which was quite profound, we already know the truth, absolutely...
the human program allows only a certain degree of it, it's Source trying to know itself as human, that's the spiritual growth.

[Wind]

You talk about when you are in this beautiful state of presence, but when are you out of it? And who are you to be 'out' of it?
I don't know if you can grasp the profundity of these questions, because when contemplated deeply, the game is up.
The mind is on a count down.

Such is the marvellousness of the presence of God.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

[Guish]

Posted by EmEx (here)
Yes, I've said this very thing here on Avalon a few times, people didn't want to believe it.
Because then we have to look at ourselves...am I really behaving this way?
Am I really this destructive?
We cannot be blind to our attitude anymore if we know that the physical is a reflection.
Not what happens, but how we react to it!
As Bashar said: The meaning we give it, determines the effect we get out of it.

Very true. What if there are no beliefs at all? What does the physical reality reflect?

In the the last few years, I've been becoming more and more empty. I can no longer distinguish between beauty, correctness, faith or any other concept. Yet everything flows well. The moment one believes something, it'll manifest. Does it make it real? For example, there are experiments which were done where a person looks at a machine tossing a coin. If the person wants to get a head, more heads are obtained. Therefore, what is real? This question had been on my mind. The only way we can know it is when we reach Samadhi/the big void, where no concepts exist, time has no influence and one feels the infinite. The ego will tell you that nothing will work out if you are in no mind. Yet, you'll see that everything comes from the nothing.

[greybeard]

Thanks for your post Guish and all the others who contribute here.
I find this sharing encouraging.
There is no one, person to person,face to face, that I can discuss spirituality at this level with.
In some ways it might be a blessing as its easy to get into spiritual ego. "Im the one who knows"

Labelling and therefore judging right and wrong has diminished to a great degree and if there is an ego moment its realised and let go off.
Mind is quiet.
I can see that I have brought none of this about apart from asking for help and surrendering to what is.
Whatever is needed just comes along.

Much love
Chris

[Rich]

Posted by Guish (here)
Very true. What if there are no beliefs at all? What does the physical reality reflect?

There is always a belief, if you believe there is a physical reality there must be a belief what that consists of.

[Guish]

Interesting. I realized sone truths. Everything else is an illusion or interpretation. The truth I realized is we all have as source, the soul/void from which everything comes. I experienced this through meditation. The physical world as we see is not real. If you could zoom in, you'd see photons operating at different frequencies or atoms arranged in different ways. What's the source of the photons? The void. The void is infinite in nature. That's why the future is probabilistic as everything is infinite in nature. Everything comes from the void. So, everything is god. So, I had a realization and an objective view to "reality" till now. Thanxs Emmy. Great discussion.

[Innocent Warrior]

Hi beautiful friends,

Just wanted to pop in and send you my love. See you in a week or so. Take care of your selves and follow your joy. xo

[greybeard]

Posted by Innocent Warrior (here)
Hi beautiful friends,

Just wanted to pop in and send you my love. See you in a week or so. Take care of your selves and follow your joy. xo

Thats great Innocent Warrior.
Your sure of a welcome "home" from everyone here.
Much love
Chris

[Rich]

Posted by Guish (here)
Everything else is an illusion or interpretation. The truth I realized is we all have as source, the soul/void from which everything comes. Everything comes from the void. So, everything is god. So, I had a realization and an objective view to "reality" till now. Thanxs Emmy. Great discussion.

You always talk about the void Guish.
An online friend and me were brainstorming, he said there can be no nothing, there is no vacuum in nature. And I said true, something is needed to be aware of nothing therefore there can be no nothing, but at the same time there has to be a nothing for this duality to exist, if we cancel out up and down, big and small, hot and cold it turns to nothing.
Conclusion: the nothing is the everything and the everything is the nothing, they're the same thing except from a different perspective.

It is time/space that allows the neutrality to be split up into opposing forces called duality.
The nothing (void) holds unlimited potential.

Here an excellent audio you might find interesting:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=b3AsOq2cJ7c

I transcribed a small part here:

...therefore, in what you believe to be emptiness, you will find all usefulness. You will then become the vessel the crux-able of transmutation. When you are completely and utterly in touch with the core of your own emptiness you will understand that everything comes from that emptiness - and by being at one with the emptiness you will be able to transmute all things that come from it. For you will be able to shape the emptiness in whatever form you wish it to take. For you will understand the relationship of emptiness to form. That, is the alchemists understanding and the pure state of the alchemist.

[greybeard]

Thanks EmEx
Its beyond mind to get that there is enormous potential in emptiness.
As said everything comes out of this.
Much Love
Chris

[Guish]

Posted by EmEx (here)

Posted by Guish (here)
Everything else is an illusion or interpretation. The truth I realized is we all have as source, the soul/void from which everything comes. Everything comes from the void. So, everything is god. So, I had a realization and an objective view to "reality" till now. Thanxs Emmy. Great discussion.

You always talk about the void Guish.
An online friend and me were brainstorming, he said there can be no nothing, there is no vacuum in nature. And I said true, something is needed to be aware of nothing therefore there can be no nothing, but at the same time there has to be a nothing for this duality to exist, if we cancel out up and down, big and small, hot and cold it turns to nothing.
Conclusion: the nothing is the everything and the everything is the nothing, they're the same thing except from a different perspective.

It is time/space that allows the neutrality to be split up into opposing forces called duality.
The nothing (void) holds unlimited potential.

Here an excellent audio you might find interesting:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=b3AsOq2cJ7c

I transcribed a small part here:

...therefore, in what you believe to be emptiness, you will find all usefulness. You will then become the vessel the crux-able of transmutation. When you are completely and utterly in touch with the core of your own emptiness you will understand that everything comes from that emptiness - and by being at one with the emptiness you will be able to transmute all things that come from it. For you will be able to shape the emptiness in whatever form you wish it to take. For you will understand the relationship of emptiness to form. That, is the alchemists understanding and the pure state of the alchemist.

Thanks. It can be really misleading if one never experienced the state before. My advice to people is: Make yourself empty and god will find you. It's very hard to put it in words. Nowadays, my meditation would seem to be fruitless to many people. I'd sit down and after a few deep breaths get completely lost and wake up after let's say 40 mins. There's no experience, no going into, no purifying..Nothing. You could be in that state and drive, work and do other things. You do the job and the mind is completely absorbed into the activity that thinking is not needed for doing. It just happens. Something has to be guiding the activity. The supreme, Soul, which nothing can describe. Hahaha.

[greybeard]

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[greybeard]

Deepak proves scientifically you are not in your body--the body is within you as is everything else.
That's early on in the Sounds True talk.
Basically what we have discussed on this thread for some time.

Im working through the other talks.
Listening to Bruce Lipton at the moment.

C