Best place in the world to live?

[Bluegreen]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zJ6VT7ciR1o

[Agape]

Home is where bed is ...

...wise man does not move away from his home

strong man can carry his bed on his back

fast man runs from morning to night

and watchman stays watching

[KiwiElf]

Hi Matt,

From a Kiwi... - and further to Lucidity's earlier recommendations:

Starting at the anti-Cannabis point, (I agree with the rest), Kiwi's are pretty OK with Cannabis and there are a very high number of weed smokers in NZ . If you get caught by a cop and have only a small amount on you, all you're likely to get is a slap over the wrist and it will be confiscated. At worst a small fine. It is technically illegal but reasonably "tolerated" (and close to becoming decriminalised under mounting public pressure).

Bringing it into the country (or any other drugs) is a different matter: customs etc will come down on you like a ton of bricks! (You'd be crazy to bring weed into the country anyway as it's so easy and plentiful to get once you're here!). We're probably more anti-cigarette smoking than weed! Your pkt of 20 cigarettes will cost you $22+ (with most of that being collected by the govt as a tax). As for meth or "P", you'd be in big trouble, but it is a growing problem as with any larger city.

The Police themselves are very friendly (akin to the good ol' days in the UK or USA, where cops were friendly and helpful). You'll always get the odd "tough cop" but it's pretty rare as are cops dressed in military-type gear. The SWAT teams do dress like that but you'd be lucky to see them in your lifetime .

Auckland is the biggest city with a population of slightly over a million people (wow!!) and very multi-cultural, with Asian immigrants making up 25%+ of Auckland's population, primarily Chinese & Korean. Although nobody wants to say it publicly, there is some resentment by locals to the number of Asian immigrants being allowed into the country as they are considered largely responsible for pushing house/property prices and rents up to a ridiculously high level, particularly in Auckland and Christchurch. (Your typical 3-bedroom 110 square meter home, on a 600 square metre property is now fetching close to a million dollars in prime areas and $650-750,000 in average to lower sectors. Rentals are typically $750 per week for an "average nice house" in a good area., Traffic in Auckland can get pretty snarled up in rush hour). The lack of driving skills by a number of overseas visitors/immigrants and the cause of high number of car accidents is becoming a concern (and not limited to Asian visitors/immigrants/tourists either).

Putting it bluntly, your'e going to need to be reasonably well off (translate as "rich" if you like), to be able to afford to live in Auckland .

Secondary cities such as Hamilton, Tauranga, Gisborne etc might be more appealing in that respect, with a similar property only a third to a half of that price making it quite affordable. Likewise, rentals for a REALLY nice 4-bedroom house can be had for around the $400-500 per week mark. (Have just sold up in Auckland myself, and am about to move to Tauranga in a few days). Tauranga is the fastest growing city in NZ atm, similar to a mini-Brisbane/Surfers Paradise, with beautiful beaches and a bustling and very mixed community.

Everybody here has the same rights and gay marriage in NZ is legal and respectfully tolerated (apart from the usual anti- groups who are very much in the minority).

Yes, flu vaccines are promoted but not enforced, (unlike Australia's absurd new Laws forcing unfortunate people on a Govt benefit to get vaccinated or lose a large proportion of their income), we're generally "green & organic" oriented, but also remember we're very much in the US & the UK's pocket.

In saying that, our economy is currently doing well and running at about an avg 3%. (5-6% for bank loans).

That and you're never very far from country, forest, beaches or snowy mountains. From top to bottom, you can cover the entire length of NZ in a light airplane in 5-6 hours. A commercial flight to Wellington, our capital city (from Auckland) is only about 40 mins, or a 2.5 hr flight to Sydney.

Climate is pretty good although we're getting our share of storms in the last couple of years. (We are on a faultline and the "ring of fire").

There are no really dangerous animals or insects here (only a relative of the Black Widow which is rarely seen and mostly in the far North - called the Katipo, plus a nasty little spider called the "white back", unfortunately imported from Australia, which love to curl up in your curtains and their bite can make you quite sick, but very rare. Our scariest looking bug is indigenous and known as a Weta, (as in Weta Studios) - you can Google that one :D - they're actually quite harmless unless you upset them, the Giant Weta can grow to the size of a rat.

Overall, a great place to live IMO.

Hope that helps - KiwiElf

PS - Most Kiwi's are pretty "onto it" with regard to what's really going on "out there" - we certainly haven't had the "wool pulled over our eyes" - and that's largely the reason why most immigrants have come here in the first place

NZ also forms part of the World Spying Grid ("5-Eyes"), but we know it's there ))) As far as I know, we have no "enemies" per se, other than "ISIS"/AL"CIA"DA hehehe.

[bearcow]

Posted by mpennery (here)
Thanks ghostrider. Asheville comes up a lot as such a place as you describe and I have a family member that goes there a couple times a year for various types of gatherings. I've never been there personally but I do know they have fluoridated water (found a facebook page in support of ending it) and I know they're getting sprayed, just as I am in Ky. It does meet many of my interests, though.

Thanks The Lawnman. I've heard Joel's talks many times and have enjoyed them. I can't remember if he addresses geoengineering, vaccine legislation, gmo's and organic availability and that kind of stuff, though. I'll have to listen to some of the above again.

I lived in Asheville for a couple of years, if you have money or if you want to enjoy a long weekend it's great. On the other hand, the job market is terrible. There is also a large concentration of Satanists and people practicing black magic there as well. There is a big difference between east(rednecks) and west side (hippies).

[ghostrider]

Posted by Guish (here)
Come here. Except that Marijuana is illegal. Google Mauritius and check out yourself.

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Posted by Wind (here)
If you find a tropical paradise, with little to no corruption, no high crime and poverty rates, no tornadoes and earthquakes there then please tell me!

Already proposed you except that corruption does exist.

I checked out Mauritius on google earth , WOW what a beautiful Island ... I believe I've found my next place to experience ...

[Camilo]

Check Ecuador!....ask Bill Ryan, he can tell you better as he has been living there since 2011.

[mosquito]

Hi Matt,

My search for a government-free paradise has been ongoing since the late 90s ! We all have different ideas of the kind of freedom we want and the kind of society we want, which is why differing cultures are so important. I've been in China for over 7 years, not because it's a paradise, but because I CAN live and work here legally, I get reasonably well-paid and have far far far more freedoms than I'd have in the UK (whence I hail) or the USA. (BTW - I spent the best part of my first years on this forum attempting to tell brain-washed westerners about this country, and I have now given up, so I'm not remotely interested in discussing it with anybody here.) For me, I don't think there is anywhere left which actually matches all my needs, so I'm just plodding along until my time runs out. I have no plan 'Z' as yet

A couple of things you need to bear in mind; First - The days of being able to walk off a plane, have your passport stamped "indefinite stay" and being given a warm welcome by the local authotities are long over, thanks mainly to the actions of your government in the last 14 years. Many of the countries that people rave about, including Ecuador, won't let you immigrate unless you have the right bits of paper from a university, OR a sum of money to "invest" in a business (frought with difficulties and pitfalls) OR an even larger sum of money to either retire or acquire citizenship. So you need to look carefully at each country, and don't rely too heavily on what someone else (including me) says. Secondly - Bureaucracy notwithstanding - what do you have to offer your new community ? A nurse and carpenter are excellent and necessary jobs, but they aren't exactly scarce. Most countries these days have enough problems providing work for their own citizens and are none too willing to give foreigners jobs which could just as easily be done by locals. Unfortunately, having a kind heart and a nice personality won't get you past the immigration laws of the world. I'm not being negative, there may well be countries which need your particular skills, so you need to do some research. Here's an excellent site .....


http://www.escapeartist.com

Good luck !

[wnlight]

This thread has been an interesting read. I have lived in Cuenca, Ecuador, for three years and have lived in many places in the USA. It seems that Cuenca (at 8,300 feet) fits your list well, with one exception. You may have some trouble with employment. Pay is low here, but so is the cost of living. I do not know how that would even out for you. Most USA expats that need to earn an income will start their own business. They put fluoride in the table salt, but you can buy pure salt from the coast. Ecuador is a socialist state and is hated by the USA government, but I have never experienced (or read of) any problems with personal freedom.

Wherever you might move outside the USA police state, please bear in mind that the USA government treats expats like criminals. They think you are hiding something. Look up FATCA. The USA IRS double-taxes expat income. Banks in some of the countries mentioned in this thread will not open accounts for USA citizens because of the risk of mistakes and consequential USA reprisals. Also, you cannot hide from the all-seeing-eye. The NSA monitors everyone, everywhere.

Your List:
no fluoride in the water - Check
ability and freedom to grow a garden and collect rain water and the climate for it - Check
no forced vaccines - Check
no atmospheric spraying - Check
a community, state or country of liberty lovers - Check (The last three presidents of Ecuador where literally run out of town by the people.)
No police state - Check
no gmo crops allowed - Check
legalized or decriminalized hemp and marijuana - Check (This is new here)
a country/state where a nurse practitioner and a carpenter can find employment - Questionable, but may meet your needs.

[daddy fishwick]

New Zealand is a good option, plenty of work for both of your skill bases, incredibly beautiful and friendly, I live on an organic farm and we have borehole water and all our food is organic.You definitely get more bang for the buck here.

Marijouana is frowned upon, and almost all work places test for it before employment is offered. Having said that it is everywhere here and many have found a way around drug testing.

GM crops are here, mainly maize.

There are no forced vaccines, (yet)

The government here seem to suck up to nations such as U.S.A, U.K etc.

You can keep two citizenships here, I'm a U.K citizen and N.Z citizen.

Definitely an option....Daddy out...

[Tangri]

"no fluoride in the water
ability and freedom to grow a garden and collect rain water and the climate for it
no forced vaccines
no atmospheric spraying
a community, state or country of liberty lovers
No police state
no gmo crops allowed
legalized or decriminalized hemp and marijuana
a country/state where a nurse practitioner and a carpenter can find employment"

No land or expense taxation

If you do not mind the weather, Antarctica is your answer.

[Guish]

Posted by Wind (here)

Posted by Guish (here)
Already proposed you except that corruption does exist.

I remember your proposition friend, sorry to hear that corruption exists there too. I guess it does in many places, more or less.
I don't touch any substances myself, but for medical reasons I would prefer them to be legal. No tornadoes and earthquakes there?

No Tornado or Earthquake. Occasionally, we have cyclones but most of the houses are concrete and there are few damages done. We grow our own vegetables. Hence, there is a shortage of vegetables for a few weeks when cyclones hit.

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Posted by ghostrider (here)

Posted by Guish (here)
Come here. Except that Marijuana is illegal. Google Mauritius and check out yourself.

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Posted by Wind (here)
If you find a tropical paradise, with little to no corruption, no high crime and poverty rates, no tornadoes and earthquakes there then please tell me!

Already proposed you except that corruption does exist.

I checked out Mauritius on google earth , WOW what a beautiful Island ... I believe I've found my next place to experience ...

Give me a call when you land.

[guyres]

Reunion Island, 40% protected natural park, natural friendliness of the people, World Heritage of Unesco...

[Guish]

Posted by mpennery (here)

Posted by Guish (here)
Come here. Except that Marijuana is illegal. Google Mauritius and check out yourself.[COLOR="red"]
Already proposed you except that corruption does exist.

Wow, I did google it and I'm impressed and a little wiser now. Thanks. What a beautiful nation and all the inhabitants speak english and french, which would make employment easier. I also had a look at the wiki page ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mauritius ) and it mentioned Mauritius was a luxury resort location. Makes me wonder what the cost of living is there and how difficult it is for foreigners to relocate.

I was surprised to see this is the chain of islands where the US military base Diego Garcia is located. Oh my! I wonder how it is living so close to such a base and what one might happen to see. I wonder, too, if the military folks visit the other islands frequently.

Thanks

Matt

Matt,

I have an American friend who married a Mauritian 10 years ago. She chose to stay here because it was safer for the kids and she said that the environment was appropriate for raising kids. It's a developing country where Education is considered to be very important. In fact, Education and health care are free for the people here. Even if Tourism is a main sector, the cost of living is reasonable if one goes away from the hotels. Rich foreigners come here for the hotels and the nature while there are a few who come here to live in isolation and buy a house in a peaceful area. Most of my Friends who settled here ended by Marrying Mauritians and they got their PR after 4 years.

I already got a few requests about the cost of living because of this thread. I'll try to clarify a bit.

1.00 USD = 35.1250 MUR

Here is a good link about the cost of living. Nevertheless, the prices for renting of houses is a bit overestimated. One could get a house to rent in the rural regions at Rs 5000-Rs 8000 a month. I guess someone would like to settle here to live in the villages and not the busy city.

http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living...ntry=Mauritius

I received a request about PR in the island. Here is a good link.

http://www.cleverdodo.mu/mauritian-citizenship/44


Cheers,

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Posted by guyres (here)
Reunion Island, 40% protected natural park, natural friendliness of the people, World Heritage of Unesco...

That's just next door.

[Matt P]

Posted by Tangri (here)
"no fluoride in the water
ability and freedom to grow a garden and collect rain water and the climate for it
no forced vaccines
no atmospheric spraying
a community, state or country of liberty lovers
No police state
no gmo crops allowed
legalized or decriminalized hemp and marijuana
a country/state where a nurse practitioner and a carpenter can find employment"

No land or expense taxation

If you do not mind the weather, Antarctica is your answer.

Hilarious! Maybe they've got some condos for rent in the underground base there! Hard time growing a garden though. You'd need a nice hydroponic system with grow lights. For the vegetables!

[Jimswitz]

Nice thread.
Funnily enough,Switzerland ticks many of your boxes,most notably fluoride free water. I suspect we have chemtrails,however.
As for vaccinations....the choice is ours.We were put under no pressure officially with our kids,though individual doctors can be a bit stroppy.You just have to be sure of what you want.

[Flash]

Posted by mpennery (here)

Posted by Tangri (here)
"no fluoride in the water
ability and freedom to grow a garden and collect rain water and the climate for it
no forced vaccines
no atmospheric spraying
a community, state or country of liberty lovers
No police state
no gmo crops allowed
legalized or decriminalized hemp and marijuana
a country/state where a nurse practitioner and a carpenter can find employment"

No land or expense taxation

If you do not mind the weather, Antarctica is your answer.

Hilarious! Maybe they've got some condos for rent in the underground base there! Hard time growing a garden though. You'd need a nice hydroponic system with grow lights. For the vegetables!

Or Montréal:
no fluoride in the water 0 true, believe it or not, no fluoride water - but quite polluted water
lots lots of jobs for nurses
none, none none jobs for carpenters
lots of chemtrails
lots of potholes
you can grow your own non gmo garden in public gardens and have your veges stolen just before they are ripe
no police around when needed
no forced vaccination .... yet
you can collect your own chemtrailed water
no gmo labels, so ... no gmo
and weed is on the track to being decriminalised (give it a few years until Harper get his friends to have the permit to grow weed and his investments insured)

[Lifebringer]

That's what we global anti-pollutionist were facing in the 70's until WE STOPPED IT. WE must stop it again. Damn the retarded stubborn science deniers, and stop the weather controllers put them up for crimes against humanity spraying toxins in the air that down the line will cause cancers.

Charge them with harm to the public, and lock them up for it. They have a choice, we need a choice also. If they fill the world with chemtrails, where do we go? There isn't another planet or enough money to get there safely so they simply must be stopped. Fired, taken down from positions that harm the public on public committees if they are polluters.

[ulli]

Costa Rica has no chemtrails,
No fluoride in the water, yet they put it in the salt, even the imported sea salt.
I buy my salt in Barbados when I go there. Those bags always get pierced by customs, haha.

Climate varies a lot, and it can be quite cool at the higher altitudes while really hot at sea level.
There is an English language Yahoo group called CostaRicaLiving where one can get lots of info on how to adapt to life here.

Visas last three months, and ex-pats who live here must leave the country for 72 hours.
They go to Panama or Nicaragua, and those border towns do good business because of the number of 72 hour people passing through.

Quite a few work online. One friend was making over $3000 a month transcribing medical audio tapes for surgeons.
Got paid by the number of words she typed.
Another works as an accountant for a NY company, and she doesn't even drive into the local village for her shopping as she can easily afford to pay a driver/housekeeper.
Not too sure about GMOs. Probably depends where they get their seeds.
Marihuana is illegal, still, but the pressure to legalize is on.
Also would be easy to grow your own if you own a patch of land.
I came here over twenty years ago and having lived in four countries and traveled to 27
I would not want to go and live anywhere else again.
Perfect air here at 3000 feet altitude which has been blown over 800 miles of rain forest,
by a mountain river and one hours drive from the capital San Jose,
on asphalt roads.
I was already conscious of earth changes back in 1980, and this life style came about gradually,
knowing that remaining in our current civilization was going to be a horrible ride.
To look for an alternative life style means to set everything in motion as soon as possible,
and just move forward.
The doors will start opening.

[Lifebringer]

I'm sorry, my fat fingers clicked too close on the side of thanks and put a report on you, I hope they read this and take it down. It was an honest error on my part. I wanted to thank you for the Canadian update. I'm in the same boat, only I'd have to go to a "minority country" it seems or be a target when shtf. Yeshua, I hope those heavenly helpers, remember me.

[Lifebringer]

And canisters of pollen from male and female plants, if they kill all the bees on us.