Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[greybeard]

Yes gripreaper
someone vibrating at the level of 540--un-conditional love, raises the vibration of millions.
The few who are at the top of the scale balance off all those below 200.
Only about 25% of the population are above 200.
Hence all the violence in the world.
It would be a lot worse if it were not for the effort of individuals to raise their personal spiritual vibration.
All that is according to Hawkins.

I see it simpler now.
I just do as best I can to be aware of awareness without agenda of any kind.
If I can do that the rest will just come about through Divine Grace.
Not for me to reason how or why.
Its not an opt out, just cant afford the distraction of thinking what I seem to do makes a difference.
Not easy to write about these things without ego getting in there
Hope that makes sense.

All you do is appreciated gripreaper

Love Chris

[gripreaper]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Yes gripreaper
someone vibrating at the level of 540--un-conditional love, raises the vibration of millions.
The few who are at the top of the scale balance off all those below 200.
Only about 25% of the population are above 200.
Hence all the violence in the world.
It would be a lot worse if it were not for the effort of individuals to raise their personal spiritual vibration.
All that is according to Hawkins.

I see it simpler now.
I just do as best I can to be aware of awareness without agenda of any kind.
If I can do that the rest will just come about through Divine Grace.
Not for me to reason how or why.
Its not an opt out, just cant afford the distraction of thinking what I seem to do makes a difference.
Not easy to write about these things without ego getting in there
Hope that makes sense.

All you do is appreciated gripreaper

Love Chris

Well Chris, if I may be so bold, you appear to have reached the level of authentic consciousness and transcendence, and this thread is a testimony to that! Should I muscle test it?

[greybeard]

Whatever comes to mind for you to do gripreaper that's fine.
There are quite a few on this thread whom I have the greatest respect for.
It was never "my" thread I just started it.
The fact that it is still going and growing is beyond my comprehension.
Its probably down to the quality and energy of the posts of those relatively new here.

Love Chris

[Grizz Griswold]

Posted by greybeard (here)
When Paul Hedderman talks about selfing its not that easy to get until you have heard him a few times.

As I understand, basically he saying that anything that arises, we, a noun, claim ownership of a verb, something that is happening or happened.
It happened to a me.
As part of that you could say that the event is real before the mind gets in there and evaluates colours the experience, so we dont actually get the experience we get our personal take on it. We don't even realise its an interpretation of the event, we dont realise that in a fraction of a second the mind has altered the event to fit our concepts--mind set, the works.

If you can watch without using language then its real.

For example you can see a bird flying--so far so good--then the mind gets in there with --Oh yes its a black bird looks like one I saw here yesterday.
The moment you get into analysis of the event--naming--you are no longer seeing reality--you are in mind, in your filing system.

Perhaps Barry could explain better, he has listened to Paul more than I,

Love Chris

Hi Chris,
You did a great job explaining, maybe a little can be added. When Selfing, I am the center of my universe, everything that happens rotates around me.
All thoughts rotate around me, analyzing/rationalizing how everything affects planet Barry. Paul doesn't mention Ego, but Ego is nothing more than
a thought claimed by the I, Me, or Mine. Problem is thought!!! is part of the problem!!! It is the guarantee that when reality comes close, We will analyze/ rationalized it until
it is claimed for the Self/Ego. Reality will always be dismissed and put off until the future, until
We realize these thoughts of Self/Ego are not Who We are.

A simple little quote from St Francis says it all...."What's looking, is what Your'e looking for"
Another is "it's closer than Your breath"
Reality is what You are and all You will ever be....You're it Period!!!
Humility accepts this, it is not arrogance to accept your true joyful reality.

Love
b

[Meggings]

I post this quote from Seth that someone just sent out. I post because it is an inner personal realization I have come to on my own through years of trying to "erase" myself so as not to offend others by being me.

1975.11.29 (ESP) You must not try to slay the conscious self, as you understand it, but {try} to expand its capacities. You must not try to slay the ego but {try} to understand that the ego is a term that you have used. You must not try to deny your individuality but {try} to understand what individuality is and means. And, use it.

If anyone here thinks it is a virtuous advantage to forget desire, to learn a distaste for life, to become detached, then look you to those who have lost desire, who have become detached, and who cry aloud in that agony for a sense of meaning and sensual validity. Those who say "There is no meaning to my life. Where shall I look?" have become detached from the fountainhead of being, the biological and spiritual fountainhead of being.

The soul is not dead. It is not finished and done with and beyond desire. It is desire! It is vitality so strong that it gives birth to your being and grows you from a dream to a physical reality. That is desire! God is desire! A flower,or a dog or a frog is desire!

[Rich]

That's a fundamental message Meggings. Life is a desire, that's true.

Bashar has said we are neutral beings and that life is meaningless, we are to give it it's meaning.
He also said spiritual growth is a process of inclusion not exclusion. Perhaps spirituality is sometimes used to escape life experiences.

If we do not go to the point of being nothing how can we see our full potential of being everything/anything?

A related post on this subject from a few weeks ago:
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...776#post957776

How did you try to ''erase yourself''?
Do you see a difference between erasing yourself and letting go of identification?

[Wind]

When your heart and mind are searching for the Truth,
you become instantly beautiful.
You un-become the ugly.
Now, you don't need any make-up.
The one who has love for God, or searches for the Truth, becomes beauty itself.
And this company I so love.
We are all here for freedom but many may miss their chance by clinging to the transient.
All are children of God, not step children, not foster-children nor orphans.
We are ever One inside the kingdom of God Himself.
And as we meet, even without speaking and without mind's knowledge, our inner being radiates this unbound peace, love and joy.

~ Mooji

[GarethBKK]

Posted by Meggings (here)
You must not try to slay the conscious self, as you understand it, but {try} to expand its capacities. You must not try to slay the ego but {try} to understand that the ego is a term that you have used. You must not try to deny your individuality but {try} to understand what individuality is and means. And, use it.

If anyone here thinks it is a virtuous advantage to forget desire, to learn a distaste for life, to become detached, then look you to those who have lost desire, who have become detached, and who cry aloud in that agony for a sense of meaning and sensual validity.

Sorry you went through this, Meggings. Losing desire is impossible. As Joey Lott would probably say, try letting go of the desire to not have your head smashed against a wall. Even if you have given up on life and want your head smashed against a wall it is still desire. That some try to forget desire as part of a spiritual path is unfortunate and unnecessary. There is no void. Any attempt to seek one is ego becoming stronger in hiding. Any teaching that points to nihilism has no truth and is misguidance.

In the natural state of enlightenment there is only an unbounded aliveness. This is bliss. God/Self/Consciousness/Awareness is immanent and transcendent. If this is not your experience, what is preventing it?

In Buddha's terms there is neither grasping nor pushing away. Desire is seen for what it is and attachment to it is let go. I would prefer to have more money, but my happiness is not going to depend on it. In this practice of not resisting what already is we eventually come to see the absolute glory of all that is. This is not nihilism, this is transcendence.

It's Vesak Puja day. So I'm off to the temple to spend some time feeling grateful and looking into the mirror:

[Innocent Warrior]

A simple brain gym exercise that balances the two hemispheres of our brain.
For anyone who isn't familiar with cross crawls, you don't have to have your palms facing up when you touch your knee, you can do it by touching your palm to the knee if that's more comfortable.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=qtv9--OXRFE

Also, if you're sitting down watching a movie or whatever, you can also balance by simply having your ankles and arms crossed. This also helps if you're worried or frustrated about something, let whatever it is go and look at it again while you're in the whole brain posture. This allows us to see it in a balanced state of mind and we can receive a clearer view of the issue.

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Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=emHAoQGoQic

[Wind]

"Praise that power which is in everything. To live with a heart of gratitude is the best attitude.

Thank you for the ability to say thank you.

Thank you."

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=BWtt7-pddGU

[Guish]

Posted by Meggings (here)
I post this quote from Seth that someone just sent out. I post because it is an inner personal realization I have come to on my own through years of trying to "erase" myself so as not to offend others by being me.

1975.11.29 (ESP) You must not try to slay the conscious self, as you understand it, but {try} to expand its capacities. You must not try to slay the ego but {try} to understand that the ego is a term that you have used. You must not try to deny your individuality but {try} to understand what individuality is and means. And, use it.

If anyone here thinks it is a virtuous advantage to forget desire, to learn a distaste for life, to become detached, then look you to those who have lost desire, who have become detached, and who cry aloud in that agony for a sense of meaning and sensual validity. Those who say "There is no meaning to my life. Where shall I look?" have become detached from the fountainhead of being, the biological and spiritual fountainhead of being.

The soul is not dead. It is not finished and done with and beyond desire. It is desire! It is vitality so strong that it gives birth to your being and grows you from a dream to a physical reality. That is desire! God is desire! A flower,or a dog or a frog is desire!

The fundamental truth of spirituality is not to try to be anything or change anything. A desire leads to an outcome. If you want to find a good person inside you, you'll find it and the reverse is also true. No desire or no aim leads to discovering a presence which we are. In the that state of bliss, we feel complete and we are full of everything good without us willingly trying to create such phenomenon. Hence, the notion of emptiness is often used as I indeed do feel empty of any want but I find myself peaceful in this state. Emex quoted a conversation we had earlier where we explored how everything comes from the nothing. In my experience, as I became more selfless, better things popped up on their own. I usually say empty yourself and god will find you.

[Guish]

Annoying Emmy with the void again.

[greybeard]

Awareness/Self, call it what you will---is neutral.
It does not mind.

The discussions here are really "good".

That's a judgement, is it not? laughing

Love Chris

[Guish]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Awareness/Self, call it what you will---is neutral.
It does not mind.

The discussions here are really "good".

That's a judgement, is it not? laughing

Love Chris

Haha, I'm sure we can be in each other's company and not say a word.

[Wind]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=x5L3JDw_F2A

[Innocent Warrior]

Check out what he says, beginning at the four minute mark...woah!

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=gUyqfUut8lA

[Guish]

The soul loves to meditate,
for in contact with the Spirit lies its greatest joy.
If, then you experience mental resistance during meditation,
remember that reluctance to meditate comes from the ego;
it doesn't belong to the soul.
- Paramahansa Yogananda

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Children are natural Zen masters;
their world is brand new in each and every moment.

[Rich]

Found this interview extremely interesting and mind expanding.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_3AChOcKKu8

Teal Swan, known to many as ‘The Spiritual Catalyst’ or the ‘Giggling Guide’ was born in Santa Fe, New Mexico on June 16th 1984. She was born with a range of extrasensory abilities including clairvoyance, clairsentience, clairaudience and claircognizance (examples?). Despite her young age, Teal is no stranger to extreme adverse circumstances. During her childhood Teal’s parents (who were both Wilderness Rangers), accepted a job in the Wasatch-Cache National Forest of Utah, unaware of the intensely religious climate of the location. Word of Teal’s unusual abilities got out and were not only frowned upon, but were also feared by many in the local religious community. Teal’s abilities attracted the attention of a family acquaintance who unbeknownst to Teal’s family was struggling with dissociative identity disorder and sociopathy.

When Teal was just six years old, the family acquaintance inducted her into a local cult, and Teal was ritualistically and sexually tortured for a period of thirteen years. Teal managed to escape from the cult when she was nineteen and began her process of recovery and transformation. Since her escape, Teal has become an internationally recognized spiritual leader and a powerful new voice in the field of metaphysics. She now travels the world as a spiritual luminary, using her abilities to remind people of the united, energetic nature of this universe and teaching people how to find bliss in the midst of even the most difficult challenges.

In 2012 Teal founded Teal Eye LLC. Along with an accompanying non-profit called Headway Foundation. The aim of both companies is to catalyze positive world change. The companies will achieve this by investing in programs, organizations and products that will revolutionize societal systems in many areas including justice, technology, education, agriculture and health care. Teal’s vision is to enable everyone on earth to live free, joyous and healthy lives and she is determined to make that vision a reality.

[greybeard]

While it is helpful to be aware that we are not the body, it is also good to realise that the body is the receptacle for our consciousness.
We all have a "personal" vibration and that rises or falls as the case might be.

What Im getting to, is that the frequency/vibration of the enlightened is somewhat higher than pre realisation.
So its good to prepare the body for this as best you can.
Yoga is the tried and tested method, that and meditation.
It helps to have a supple spine for the Kundalini energy to rise without restriction.

This is not absolutely necessary as some awaken without K rising.
Adyashanti in a Sounds true interview spoke of his experience of this, both pre awakening and post awakening.

Meditation and mantra change the nervous system to hold the heightened spiritual energy.
Practising the Micro Cosmic Orbit (breathing energy up the spine and down the front in a loop---up spine with in breath--down the front with out breath)
All this is very health giving and brings peace.
Qui Gong is also good.

I dont do all of this now.

Current practise.
Meditation and prayer ongoing with occasional maytra, the Gayatri and Om Nama Shevia.

Having said all this, listening to Mooji and others may be sufficient to remove obstacles in order that Self Realisation occurs.

Bart Marshall mentioned that nothing works and its as though enlightenment happens by accident-----but you can become more accident prone.

Love Chris

[Wind]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EAiuzdt67Jo