Is Alex Jones CoIntelPro?

[ZooLife]

AJ is like many agents of fortune, fine tuning his skills at fortune as he goes along.

Some will be fortunate to realize this while others will be, well, unfortunate.

[A.D.]

@ Bill Ryan... I have a serious question for you. What are your thoughts on this type of behavior and mannerism in this yt clip below? How is this not behavior designed to work the audience up into a mindset of rage and hostility and anger? (for the record I did not make this yt vid nor have any association with the person, merely went looking for examples to illustrate the point)

Granted, obviously it is a montage of clips taken out of context, and a lot of the times where he is describing violent acts, he's doing his trademark fear mongering where he's making up entirely fictitious scenarios where you the viewer are being killed or tortured in a fema camp or by some nwo henchmen,... yet some other times he's describing violent acts he wants to offer in response.

He often times goes on these rants describing in great detail all the ways we will be tortured and killed. He goes into over the top frenzies to describe all the ways the nwo are going to cause us physical harm and he seems to almost get off on it as he revels in playing the role of a murdering nwo henchman and he gets to elaborate and paint vivid pictures of torture and pain that supposedly will be committed on all of us in these hypothetical scenarios. So the violent acts he is describing are his own creations, his own thoughts and ideas which he then gets to side step by saying "these are not things I would do or things I believe, I am merely speaking as the bad guys" all the while everything he just said came out of his mind, out of his imagination.

And the common refrain from the Jones apologist is "well he's just passionate or gets a little over emotional." Completely missing the reality of what is actually being done.

What he's doing through painting these fabricated pictures of violence perpetrated on the viewer, is designed to evoke anger in the viewer. It's designed as an assault on the viewers emotions,.. he goes into a frothing rant filled with rage, hostility and aggression talking about how people are coming to kill you and your family. What do you think that does to the viewer? What response does that evoke? It evokes hostility and rage in the viewer at the idea that anyone would even think of doing the things Jones is suggesting are going to be done to them and their family. When he makes up stories about how they are going to line your family up and shoot them, what is the purpose of saying such things if not to fill the viewer with rage and anger?

Imagine your reaction if someone walked up to you on the street and did the same thing... started going into a vivid, graphic, detailed monologue describing how someone was going to kill you and your family, and they got in your face seething and frothing and raving like a homicidal lunatic as if though they were the one who was going to do it?

After the cnn spectacle where his actions could very easily be seen as him attempting to incite violence, I'm pretty sure he had to do some PR damage control as he was most likely informed (probably by both the law and his handlers) that he could get in a lot of trouble for such things... so he had to tone down his rhetoric and now takes the more peaceful don't react with violence talking points. But when myself and others speak of Jones as promoting anger and hostility, I think it's more in line with the likes of his behavior in this video below, as opposed to him literally telling people to do something violent. He's evoking anger and hostility and negativity in his audience, and he is planting a subconscious seed of violence and reaction in the viewer when he goes on these completely fabricated monologues about how we are to be tortured and killed.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=LkdX92f9N2k

[Becky]

Well AJ certainly isn't a human being connected to the divine feminine energies of the earth and Universe...he comes across as a rather sick, disconnected, controlled creature. Even if it's just for show and to get a response from people, he goes too far IMO.

[East Sun]

Alex is imitating what 'they' are, internally.

When someone proposes a real possibility based on his or her knowledge (the same as. Biblical prophesies) it may or may not happen, depending on the actions of the people concerned.

There is a real possibility of world wide genocide as indicated by the OWO proponents.
Does not mean we should run scared, but just be aware that these things could happen.

There are forces in effect that are working to see that it does not happen.

Keep adding the dots that are evident everywhere around the world.

In the meantime live and let live in your own personal lives.
Be happy!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by A.D. (here)

@ Bill Ryan... I have a serious question for you. What are your thoughts on this type of behavior and mannerism in this yt clip below? ]

Not smart (at all).

Remember, though, he's on air, 100% live and in real time, for 1,000 hours a year. It's quite easy, with a little patience, to pick out four and a half minutes like this.

One could also compile MANY more minutes when he's at his inspiring, balanced, informative best. In Myers-Briggs terms, he's a high-volume ENFP. His passion goes with his personality, and fuels all his work. It's all a package.

Here's an equally serious question (to all reading this): What are YOU doing to inspire/educate/inform people of the perils we're in? (And those perils, many of which he describes pretty clearly, are REAL.)

Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory.

[Mike Gorman]

I have always responded to Mr Jones as an authentic voice of dissent - his earliest fumblings, which were actually very brave and audacious, point to an alternative journalist who sensed the enormous lies being promoted as mainstream common sense. Does he sometimes make errors? Yep, and he goes way over the top sometimes, but he represents an authentic voice of resistance - he invests in his own business and has cleverly grown it - how better to beat the mainstream **** weasels at their own game than to present a slick operation and run a media empire? I like Alex Jones and I don't mind who knows it.
This montage of passionate dislike is aimed at the new world order, the fascists, the automaton elite who have no compassion, who arranged 9/11 and who plot the demise of the 'useless eaters'. Yes it is ugly, but then the enemies of mankind are ugly also.

[princesslovercup]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)



Here's an equally serious question (to all reading this): What are YOU doing to inspire/educate/inform people of the perils we're in?

Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory.

You're right. He has reached millions, and maybe some of those wouldn't have paid any attention if the material was presented in a less abrasive fashion.

There are many aspects to what is going on globally, hence the need for diversity in the delivery of every aspect.

Yaaaah to Alex Jones for his bravery- Yaaaah to you too, Bill, for the huge role you've played in getting certain info out.

We should all be focusing on what our individual tasks (and abilities) are, not criticizing other's delivery methods.

[princesslovercup]

Just an added note.....I feel we're approaching some huge Crisis-Level. Can't nail it, for it's not at all coming in clearly. I do have a strong sense that all who stay on their paths, will somehow be fine (whatever that means).

My oldest daughter, Brooke, doesn't say much but when she does, it's important. She told me yesterday that she believes also something HUGE is happening, and that it is like nothing any of us have ever experienced! (Maybe that's why so many of us feel we can't wrap our heads around this.)

[A.D.]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by A.D. (here)

@ Bill Ryan... I have a serious question for you. What are your thoughts on this type of behavior and mannerism in this yt clip below? ]

Not smart (at all).

Remember, though, he's on air, 100% live and in real time, for 1,000 hours a year. It's quite easy, with a little patience, to pick out four and a half minutes like this.

One could also compile MANY more minutes when he's at his inspiring, balanced, informative best. In Myers-Briggs terms, he's a high-volume ENFP. His passion goes with his personality, and fuels all his work. It's all a package.

Here's an equally serious question (to all reading this): What are YOU doing to inspire/educate/inform people of the perils we're in? (And those perils, many of which he describes pretty clearly, are REAL.)

Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory.

It's side stepping the discussion at hand to merely suggest that if you don't like him, don't listen to him. It's pretty clear that myself, and the others here trying to point out that tactics used by Jones are deceptive and he's not what he says he is, don't listen to him any more.

Fox News, which has been the number one news network for years now for example, is blatant, transparent propaganda used to steer and manipulate the masses. When pointing out the tactics and deceptions Fox News uses to achieves its ends, it's very easy to dismiss that reality and not address the facts by merely saying "well if you don't like it just go watch some other news channel".

That is the same sad, dismissive argument people use when you point out the corruption and deception of America. "If you don't like it, go live somewhere else". Which does nothing to address the corruption and deception. It's merely a way of saying "haters gonna hate" and dismiss any actual, valid criticism.

So to just shrug off the discussion that Jones and his tactics are designed to manipulate and steer the alternative media audience and scene by saying "if you don't like him, don't listen", is just as dismissive and completely disregards the discussion at hand and in no way addresses the claims being made here that Jones is a controlled agent put in place to steer the alternative media scene as is evidenced by his actions, behavior and words.

As for your question about what any of us are doing to inform / inspire / educate others of the perils we're in... which is a bit of a backed handed way to say Jones is out there doing something, whereas his detractors are merely just complaining from the peanut gallery and doing nothing... those of us in this thread pointing out the reality of the great deception that is Jones, are attempting to educate and inform those reading this thread of the peril presented by the manipulation and corruption of the alternative media landscape. We are sounding alarm bells and trying to jump up and down and point out the very obvious tactics being used. We are doing something. We are attempting to help others from blindly running off a cliff with the rest of the herd. We are attempting to get people to open their eyes to the obvious deception being sold to masses of people. We are digging beneath the surface to show you the dirt, to show you the roots of the problem at hand.

And speaking of those psychological tactics, so far, no one has been able to argue against them... in fact, Bill, when presented with the question if you think Alex's behavior, even based off a 4 minute sampling from 1000's of hours, isn't clearly designed to evoke anger and hostility, you dodged the question and said you just think it's "not smart" and then go on to say he's woken up millions and if you don't like it don't listen. At no point addressing the clear psychological manipulation of the viewer and the tactics used by Jones to steer and manipulate the landscape. You do what all Jones supporters do when confronted with the reality of his tactics and dismiss it as him just being "passionate" and look no deeper.

While someone could compile a montage of inspiring and balanced things Alex has said, that doesn't eradicated all the obvious deception he uses. It doesn't wash away all the psychological manipulation he injects into the alternative media scene. There's terribly evil people out there that have caused wars and caused tremendous harm to humanity, yet those same people have also set up beneficial foundations and donated massive amounts of money to charities (mostly done to dodge taxes mind you)... but just because someone does good things, doesn't make the bad things they do go away.

The thing I've learned the most from Jones, is the same thing I've learned from mainstream media: it's beyond easy to fool an audience through understanding the psychology of the masses. That it is beyond easy to control information when you understand how to exploit the psychology of the audience. That theater is the best tool one can use to control society. Even if it's really bad, ridiculously over-emoting, disingenuous, painfully bad acting theater.

I find it alarming that anyone who is doing any kind of investigative journalism, anyone who has abandoned mainstream journalism due to it's obvious corruption and deception and sought out the alternative media landscape in hopes to battle that corruption and shine light on the truth, can be so easily deceived and won over by the same exact tactics they saw being used in the mainstream media.

I find it alarming Bill, that you who has to do very diligent discernment it vetting the people you interview, can be so easily swayed and won over by a man who is clearly not who he says he is. By a man who is clearly a terribly bad actor. By a man who is clearly in the pocket of tptb.... Ted Cruz 2016! The CFR and Goldman Sachs are our friends now. The democratic election process is now no longer a mechanism of control but a legitimate form of change.

Continue to champion a trojan horse that spews poisoned water.

[onawah]

I don't think it's a question of black or white; whether AJ is doing more harm than good I can't say--but there's some of both, and I think A.D. raises some good points.
It's certainly safe to say AJ could be doing a lot more good though (or someone else who would take his place--and I wish someone would), if he were setting a positive example by reining in his rage and transforming it into something positive that would help heal and empower himself and his followers, instead of all that interminable raging and spewing invective.
What that demonstrates to me is toxic male energy, accompanied by impotence and hopelessness, more than anything; regardless of what he may know and share in the form of information, I can't bear watching or listening to him, it makes me ill.
So if he's CoIntelPro, then I'd say he's repellent enough to discourage a lot of people from tuning into the truths he has to share, and for people who don't know where else to turn, that's a shame. That does seem to be one of the tactics of the controllers, the other being wrapping a lot of truth around some core lies in an attractive enough package so that even those who are pretty tuned in can be deceived, distracted or at least confused.
But if AJ is actually for Ted Cruz, etc.then I can't see how he's going to keep many of his followers. It looks like he's gone off the deep end on that one.
On the whole, I have to say the medium truly is the message to a great extent, and what Becky said...

Posted by Becky (here)
Well AJ certainly isn't a human being connected to the divine feminine energies of the earth and Universe...he comes across as a rather sick, disconnected, controlled creature. Even if it's just for show and to get a response from people, he goes too far IMO.

[regnak]

great post bill 10/10

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[A.D.]

the best analogy for what Jones is, is Orwell's Animal Farm. The ending of the book perfectly exemplifies his flip flop from exposing the deception and charade of free democratic elections run by elite think tanks and bankers, to all the sudden supporting one political party and the charade of free elections and supporting elite think tanks and bankers.

At the end of Animal Farm, after the pigs had led a successful revolution against the unfair practices of the human farmers, the pigs took over the farm house and took control of the farm... and the other animals when realizing that nothing has really changed since the pigs took over, peered in through the farm house windows, and started to notice that the pigs were looking more and more like the same humans the pigs led a revolution against (see the 3:40 mark of the video).

For a long time now Jones has started to look more and more like the people he supposedly railed against. Always important to remember that a revolution is nothing more then a big display where the person does a complete 360 degree acrobatic flip, or revolution, and ends up in exactly the same spot they were when they started. Nothing changed but you did get a fun visual distraction.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ddzYTG-T6yg

[onawah]

Nothing fun about it!

[ZooLife]

Posted by A.D. (here)
the best analogy for what Jones is, is Orwell's Animal Farm. The ending of the book perfectly exemplifies his flip flop from exposing the deception and charade of free democratic elections run by elite think tanks and bankers, to all the sudden supporting one political party and the charade of free elections and supporting elite think tanks and bankers.

At the end of Animal Farm, after the pigs had led a successful revolution against the unfair practices of the human farmers, the pigs took over the farm house and took control of the farm... and the other animals when realizing that nothing has really changed since the pigs took over, peered in through the farm house windows, and started to notice that the pigs were looking more and more like the same humans the pigs led a revolution against (see the 3:40 mark of the video).

For a long time now Jones has started to look more and more like the people he supposedly railed against. Always important to remember that a revolution is nothing more then a big display where the person does a complete 360 degree acrobatic flip, or revolution, and ends up in exactly the same spot they were when they started. Nothing changed but you did get a fun visual distraction.

Agreed. The conundrum is a difficult one but the observation of the bigger picture bears fruit of this. The answer will only come from a massive and sustained Awakening.

Two songs that bear witness to this conundrum:

RE:

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Rp6-wG5LLqE

War what is it good for?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=zJOLH8WfCaY

Maybe I am wrong but I have not seen AJ convey this in any sustained and meaningful way. I just do not see him as part of a solution. That is not a permanent thought but it is how I feel about him currently.

[T Smith]

Posted by A.D. (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by A.D. (here)

@ Bill Ryan... I have a serious question for you. What are your thoughts on this type of behavior and mannerism in this yt clip below? ]

Not smart (at all).

Remember, though, he's on air, 100% live and in real time, for 1,000 hours a year. It's quite easy, with a little patience, to pick out four and a half minutes like this.

One could also compile MANY more minutes when he's at his inspiring, balanced, informative best. In Myers-Briggs terms, he's a high-volume ENFP. His passion goes with his personality, and fuels all his work. It's all a package.

Here's an equally serious question (to all reading this): What are YOU doing to inspire/educate/inform people of the perils we're in? (And those perils, many of which he describes pretty clearly, are REAL.)

Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory.

It's side stepping the discussion at hand to merely suggest that if you don't like him, don't listen to him. It's pretty clear that myself, and the others here trying to point out that tactics used by Jones are deceptive and he's not what he says he is, don't listen to him any more.

Fox News, which has been the number one news network for years now for example, is blatant, transparent propaganda used to steer and manipulate the masses. When pointing out the tactics and deceptions Fox News uses to achieves its ends, it's very easy to dismiss that reality and not address the facts by merely saying "well if you don't like it just go watch some other news channel".

That is the same sad, dismissive argument people use when you point out the corruption and deception of America. "If you don't like it, go live somewhere else". Which does nothing to address the corruption and deception. It's merely a way of saying "haters gonna hate" and dismiss any actual, valid criticism.

So to just shrug off the discussion that Jones and his tactics are designed to manipulate and steer the alternative media audience and scene by saying "if you don't like him, don't listen", is just as dismissive and completely disregards the discussion at hand and in no way addresses the claims being made here that Jones is a controlled agent put in place to steer the alternative media scene as is evidenced by his actions, behavior and words.

As for your question about what any of us are doing to inform / inspire / educate others of the perils we're in... which is a bit of a backed handed way to say Jones is out there doing something, whereas his detractors are merely just complaining from the peanut gallery and doing nothing... those of us in this thread pointing out the reality of the great deception that is Jones, are attempting to educate and inform those reading this thread of the peril presented by the manipulation and corruption of the alternative media landscape. We are sounding alarm bells and trying to jump up and down and point out the very obvious tactics being used. We are doing something. We are attempting to help others from blindly running off a cliff with the rest of the herd. We are attempting to get people to open their eyes to the obvious deception being sold to masses of people. We are digging beneath the surface to show you the dirt, to show you the roots of the problem at hand.

And speaking of those psychological tactics, so far, no one has been able to argue against them... in fact, Bill, when presented with the question if you think Alex's behavior, even based off a 4 minute sampling from 1000's of hours, isn't clearly designed to evoke anger and hostility, you dodged the question and said you just think it's "not smart" and then go on to say he's woken up millions and if you don't like it don't listen. At no point addressing the clear psychological manipulation of the viewer and the tactics used by Jones to steer and manipulate the landscape. You do what all Jones supporters do when confronted with the reality of his tactics and dismiss it as him just being "passionate" and look no deeper.

While someone could compile a montage of inspiring and balanced things Alex has said, that doesn't eradicated all the obvious deception he uses. It doesn't wash away all the psychological manipulation he injects into the alternative media scene. There's terribly evil people out there that have caused wars and caused tremendous harm to humanity, yet those same people have also set up beneficial foundations and donated massive amounts of money to charities (mostly done to dodge taxes mind you)... but just because someone does good things, doesn't make the bad things they do go away.

The thing I've learned the most from Jones, is the same thing I've learned from mainstream media: it's beyond easy to fool an audience through understanding the psychology of the masses. That it is beyond easy to control information when you understand how to exploit the psychology of the audience. That theater is the best tool one can use to control society. Even if it's really bad, ridiculously over-emoting, disingenuous, painfully bad acting theater.

I find it alarming that anyone who is doing any kind of investigative journalism, anyone who has abandoned mainstream journalism due to it's obvious corruption and deception and sought out the alternative media landscape in hopes to battle that corruption and shine light on the truth, can be so easily deceived and won over by the same exact tactics they saw being used in the mainstream media.

I find it alarming Bill, that you who has to do very diligent discernment it vetting the people you interview, can be so easily swayed and won over by a man who is clearly not who he says he is. By a man who is clearly a terribly bad actor. By a man who is clearly in the pocket of tptb.... Ted Cruz 2016! The CFR and Goldman Sachs are our friends now. The democratic election process is now no longer a mechanism of control but a legitimate form of change.

Continue to champion a trojan horse that spews poisoned water.

In my estimation it is never a good idea to shoot the messenger. I get that you don't like Alex Jones. He's abrasive. He's crass. He gets angry. He's juvenile. He rants; he raves. And yes, he evokes anger and hatred... and sometimes even fear. But I would submit this is simply the nature of the message; this isn't creme puff information he's putting out. And for the most part, it's accurate information. As Bill Ryan pointed out, the things he talks about (which apparently are so offensive to many) are REAL. His analysis is valid. Yes, you have every right to be offended by it, but again, it is what it is. The subject matter is serious--dare I say, scary and hateful stuff? Eugenics, genocide, depopulation, culling, dumbing down the masses in preparation for mass management, psychopath elites that feed off human suffering, etc. I trust you are not sugar-coating the situation we human inhabitants of this planet are in. However you chose to interpret what's going on, it goes almost without debate we are all but chattel in a greater program Alex Jones (among others, via other methods and approach) are attempting to decipher and describe. That being so, are you not angry at times being the subject of abject social engineering? Does it not sometimes make you want to scream? (In the past ten years I'm sure you could find four minutes of my life where I have behaved like a complete imbecile as a direct reaction to these forces). Does it not (sometimes), no matter what degree of enlightenment and spiritual development you've achieved, evoke hatred toward those powers subjecting you to this form of numbing slavery? Are we all really so perfect?

I don't particularly care for every bit of theatrics Alex Jones employs to deliver his message. But it is much harder for me to criticize the actual message, or discredit the message simply because of the theatrics of the messenger. Do you also think David Knight is cointelpro and an agent of tptb? (Serious question). I would challenge you to think about that. Does he invoke hatred and fear with his message? If not, how do you reconcile that? He is broadcasting the exact same message, albeit with a gentler, different approach.

Sometimes its really not about the messenger. It's about the message.

[A.D.]

@ T Smith

See one of my earlier posts, I already addressed the obvious fact the Jones is covering real events. I don't know who david knight is, so can't speak to that.

As for not killing the messenger... are Bill O'Reilly and Fox News and Rupert Murdoch merely just messengers of the news? Should we not hold them accountable for their blatant propaganda and manipulation of information? I mean, by your definition, they like Jones, are but mere messengers and not at all responsible for the message they are relaying.

It's becoming more and more evident that the Pro Jones camp seems to miss the larger point in all this. Seem to be missing the point that controlling information is a proven tactic and a demonstrable fact of how society is controlled and the alternative media landscape, despite what anyone might think that because it's talking about exposing the elite that it's somehow immune to being controlled by them, has been just as controlled, if not more controlled. Seem to be missing the point of how psychology is used to brilliant degrees to control the minds of the masses through people like Jones or Bill O'Reilly or Rush Limbaugh or any polarizing talking head with a microphone and big money behind them.

But the point most of the Pro Jones camp seems to be missing and not wanting to address.. is, and I'll repeat myself yet again,... how do you reconcile that jones is now supporting and endorsing not only a political candidate and party, but through that endorsement, he is also hypocritically supporting the charade of free democratic elections in the US, something he has spoken out against for years and made videos about. It's a HUGE part of the foundation of his career... exposing the fact that democracy and elections in the US are a tool of the elite to control the country. Another major part of the foundation of his career is going to Bilderberger meeting with his bullhorn and calling out groups like the bildrbergers and cfr for their guilt in manipulating and controlling elections and society. And through his endorsement of Ted Cruz he is supporting and endorsing the CFR as well as Goldman Sachs.

So he's revealed his hand and that he is officially in the pocket of the elite he claims to be fighting. Many of us have known this for a long time, and he's now proved it with his own actions and words.

So I don't at all understand how any self proclaimed "awakened" individual could continue to support and stand behind the man who has just shown he's not working for 'we the people' like he claims, and he's in bed with the same people he's been telling us for years are responsible for all the wrongs in the world.

Through his endorsement of Ted Cruz and all that comes with that, he just discredited his entire career. There's no recovery or excuse from that. You can't build a career of years and years and years of ranting and raving and fighting against and exposing the charade and control mechanism of fabricated elections and democracy in the US, and then all the sudden support it.

There's now no denying he's a paid for pawn for those groups who are heavily invested in the illusion of democracy and free elections in the US. You know, groups like the CFR and goldman sachs and such. Groups Cruz is quite affiliated with.

But the self proclaimed "awakened" Jones follower will somehow dodge and avoid this and try and reason it away, that it's some how ok for him to completely sell out pretty much the whole sum of his career, of his message and supposed goal of trying to help rid the world of the elite who oppress and control us as he goes on air to then give multiple ringing endorsements for the same elite and the same oppressive control mechanisms.

So to all you Jones fans, explain this. And also explain why he was allowed to become a multi-millionaire celebrity, while Bill Cooper and others have been murdered for doing exactly what Jones does.

I've already made my case and rambled on long enough a few times now and this debate is proving to be less and less interesting and more and more indicative that even in light of the above mentioned proof that Jones is a bought and paid for pawn, people still can't see with their "awakened" minds the reality of the wool that's been pulled over their eyes.

[Mike Gorman]

Posted by A.D. (here)

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by A.D. (here)

@ Bill Ryan... I have a serious question for you. What are your thoughts on this type of behavior and mannerism in this yt clip below? ]

Not smart (at all).

Remember, though, he's on air, 100% live and in real time, for 1,000 hours a year. It's quite easy, with a little patience, to pick out four and a half minutes like this.

One could also compile MANY more minutes when he's at his inspiring, balanced, informative best. In Myers-Briggs terms, he's a high-volume ENFP. His passion goes with his personality, and fuels all his work. It's all a package.

Here's an equally serious question (to all reading this): What are YOU doing to inspire/educate/inform people of the perils we're in? (And those perils, many of which he describes pretty clearly, are REAL.)

Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory.

It's side stepping the discussion at hand to merely suggest that if you don't like him, don't listen to him. It's pretty clear that myself, and the others here trying to point out that tactics used by Jones are deceptive and he's not what he says he is, don't listen to him any more.

Fox News, which has been the number one news network for years now for example, is blatant, transparent propaganda used to steer and manipulate the masses. When pointing out the tactics and deceptions Fox News uses to achieves its ends, it's very easy to dismiss that reality and not address the facts by merely saying "well if you don't like it just go watch some other news channel".

That is the same sad, dismissive argument people use when you point out the corruption and deception of America. "If you don't like it, go live somewhere else". Which does nothing to address the corruption and deception. It's merely a way of saying "haters gonna hate" and dismiss any actual, valid criticism.

So to just shrug off the discussion that Jones and his tactics are designed to manipulate and steer the alternative media audience and scene by saying "if you don't like him, don't listen", is just as dismissive and completely disregards the discussion at hand and in no way addresses the claims being made here that Jones is a controlled agent put in place to steer the alternative media scene as is evidenced by his actions, behavior and words.

As for your question about what any of us are doing to inform / inspire / educate others of the perils we're in... which is a bit of a backed handed way to say Jones is out there doing something, whereas his detractors are merely just complaining from the peanut gallery and doing nothing... those of us in this thread pointing out the reality of the great deception that is Jones, are attempting to educate and inform those reading this thread of the peril presented by the manipulation and corruption of the alternative media landscape. We are sounding alarm bells and trying to jump up and down and point out the very obvious tactics being used. We are doing something. We are attempting to help others from blindly running off a cliff with the rest of the herd. We are attempting to get people to open their eyes to the obvious deception being sold to masses of people. We are digging beneath the surface to show you the dirt, to show you the roots of the problem at hand.

And speaking of those psychological tactics, so far, no one has been able to argue against them... in fact, Bill, when presented with the question if you think Alex's behavior, even based off a 4 minute sampling from 1000's of hours, isn't clearly designed to evoke anger and hostility, you dodged the question and said you just think it's "not smart" and then go on to say he's woken up millions and if you don't like it don't listen. At no point addressing the clear psychological manipulation of the viewer and the tactics used by Jones to steer and manipulate the landscape. You do what all Jones supporters do when confronted with the reality of his tactics and dismiss it as him just being "passionate" and look no deeper.

While someone could compile a montage of inspiring and balanced things Alex has said, that doesn't eradicated all the obvious deception he uses. It doesn't wash away all the psychological manipulation he injects into the alternative media scene. There's terribly evil people out there that have caused wars and caused tremendous harm to humanity, yet those same people have also set up beneficial foundations and donated massive amounts of money to charities (mostly done to dodge taxes mind you)... but just because someone does good things, doesn't make the bad things they do go away.

The thing I've learned the most from Jones, is the same thing I've learned from mainstream media: it's beyond easy to fool an audience through understanding the psychology of the masses. That it is beyond easy to control information when you understand how to exploit the psychology of the audience. That theater is the best tool one can use to control society. Even if it's really bad, ridiculously over-emoting, disingenuous, painfully bad acting theater.

I find it alarming that anyone who is doing any kind of investigative journalism, anyone who has abandoned mainstream journalism due to it's obvious corruption and deception and sought out the alternative media landscape in hopes to battle that corruption and shine light on the truth, can be so easily deceived and won over by the same exact tactics they saw being used in the mainstream media.

I find it alarming Bill, that you who has to do very diligent discernment it vetting the people you interview, can be so easily swayed and won over by a man who is clearly not who he says he is. By a man who is clearly a terribly bad actor. By a man who is clearly in the pocket of tptb.... Ted Cruz 2016! The CFR and Goldman Sachs are our friends now. The democratic election process is now no longer a mechanism of control but a legitimate form of change.

Continue to champion a trojan horse that spews poisoned water.

What you are proposing is that people are being manipulated by AJ - Shock, horror! someone is revealing their opinions and presenting an alternative discourse-Of course it is intended to be persuasive! Point to an obvious example of Alex Jones being a planted agent of the 'system' or shut up and stop wasting everyone's time. You remind me of those lynch mob participants, wanting to tar & feather anyone who is a bit different, or who threatens your pet view of the world.You are intolerant of anyone gaining a voice, and being successful at the same time - plain envy and resentment. People can judge for themselves, they do not need you to tell them what is real, what is corrupt - you are being blatantly egotistic - It just comes over as being envious.

[onawah]

Blatantly egotistical, or blatantly knowledgeable....
It's interesting that the controllers were savvy enough to effectively use all that research and skill that the study of mind manipulation has amassed, and now they are grasping at straws by allowing AJ to support Cruz.
I'd say t shows how desperate they've become.
If anyone is bewildered by that, maybe they just need to read up on mind manipulation.

[A.D.]

@ galaxy horse

"Point to an obvious example of Alex Jones being a planted agent of the 'system' or shut up and stop wasting everyone's time."

I've done that. Please read again if you have not, the post of mine, #56, directly above your post,#57. Or better yet post #34. His endorsement of Ted Cruz, or any politician for that matter, is quite an obvious example.

As for wasting anyone's time... no one forced you to read any of this thread. In fact no one forced you to visit this forum. If you feel like this is a waste of time, then that's on you.

As for your hostility towards my thoughts on Jones, you clearly have not read what I've said and missed the point entirely. My contention with Jones is not because his view is different, or threatens my "pet view of the world", or because he's gaining a voice or success. Try reading what I've written, rather then just reacting from emotion because I am saying what you perceive to be as negative things about someone you admire.

The idea that I am envious of Jones, is again the same weak argument of "haters gonna hate" and attempts to dismiss valid criticism by simply suggesting that any criticism of any person is merely because of jealousy and envy. Far too often in this modern internet age, this meme is used to write off and dismiss and deflect any criticism of the actions and behavior of individuals. It's a very easy and weak argument to simply dismiss criticism as just jealously and not address the critique.

To suggest I am coming from a place of envy, shows you've either not grasped and/or not fully read what i've said, or you are attempting to deflect my criticism.

"You are intolerant of anyone gaining a voice, and being successful at the same time - plain envy and resentment."

Again, try reading and understanding the words I've written rather then just lobbing a completely false and absurd sweeping generalization insult coming either from emotion or an attempt to deflect.

[Hawkwind]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
What are YOU doing to inspire/educate/inform people of the perils we're in? (And those perils, many of which he describes pretty clearly, are REAL.)

Well, for starts, they are only REAL from the perspective of my physical incarnation, and I’m as sure as I can be that my consciousness/spirit/soul will survive the death of my physical body. So, from the perspective of soul the only real problem or peril is overly identifying with my physical incarnation as the totality of who I am. What I do about that is practice mindfulness.

As for honoring my current incarnation and the various karmic predicaments that entails I work at:

1- Do unto others as you would have others do unto you. Love thy neighbor as you love thyself.
2- Be the change you want to see in the world. Let your light shine.
3- Feed the good wolf. (For anyone not familiar with the reference, see below.)



(btw- The realization that watching AJ wasn’t in line with this philosophy is in large part why I stopped.)

4- Having the stength to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can and the wisdom to know the difference.

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Would the world be a better place if Alex didn't exist? My answer is no... he's woken up literally millions of people. If his style isn't to one's liking, then there are plenty of others to listen to. Tuning in to his show is not compulsory.

Agreed, the world would not be a better place if Alex didn’t exist. It also wouldn’t be a better place if Dick Cheney and Henry Kissinger didn’t exist. The world wouldn’t be a better place if suffering didn’t exist, for that matter. I’m as sure as I can be that every soul on the planet incarnated at this particular time and place to have exactly the set of experiences we’re having in order to learn what we need to learn. Each of us has a role to play toward that end, whether that be Jesus or Judas or Hitler or Gandhi.

Perhaps a more interesting question (at least from my perspective) is- Would I be a better person if I had never listened to AJ? Again, no, but not so much because of what I learned from him in terms of how the world really works. As you said, that information is available elsewhere. The most important things I learned from Alex is that the manner in which you present information is often as important as the information itself, and that more people are likely to listen to what you have to say if you don’t look and sound like a raving lunatic.