"The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" -- and a call for a more benevolent leadership

[Lefty Dave]

Thanks for your posts and your concern, Paul...
IMHO
This subject is the MOST IMPORTANT information and topic of the century...
Proof that the protocols were well known in Washingtons' era shows up in several of his letters...he saw his beloved Masonic lodges being usurped...by Jacobists I believe he called them...

regardless...of when...regardless of "a fiction that is mostly true", which is absurd, what is pertinent to humanity is this....there IS a parasitic lot that has and does conspire to enslave humanity...that does believe itself superior to humanity...and uses any and all forms of control mechanisms to dominate all aspects of humanity. They won.

ps...this was a lot longer...but I edited most of my reply...just not worth it.

end of line.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by Lefty Dave (here)
Thanks for your posts and your concern, Paul...
IMHO
This subject is the MOST IMPORTANT information and topic of the century...
Proof that the protocols were well known in Washingtons' era shows up in several of his letters...he saw his beloved Masonic lodges being usurped...by Jacobists I believe he called them...

Yes, I am confident that Washington knew about the Illuminati (or whatever he called them) and was a high ranking member of the Masons.

If you have links to proof that George Washington (1732-1799) knew about "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion", such as in particular the predictions of future wars, that could be quite interesting.

[Hervé]

Hopefully this will shed some light on the subject and not cast shadows:

SURRENDER OF CORNWALLIS

In this context, it is pertinent to recall the confession of General Cornwallis when he surrendered to General Washington at Yorktown (Oct. 19, 1781.)

"Jonathan Williams recorded in his "Legions of Satan," (1781,) that Cornwallis revealed to Washington that "a holy war will now begin on America, and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown."

The Crown is the Illuminati (i.e. shareholders of the Bank of England.) Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem a contradiction:

"Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years, the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry."

In a 1956 speech, Senator Joseph McCarthy reflected on these words:

"Cornwallis well knew that his military defeat was only the beginning of world catastrophe that would be universal and that unrest would continue until mind control could be accomplished through a false religion. What he predicted has come to pass. A brief sketch of American religious history and we have seen Masonry infused into every church in America with their veiled Phallic religion."

Excerpted from: http://www.henrymakow.com/the_united...a_masonic.html

If that's not talking of LONG term plans...

[Lefty Dave]

Yes, there is evidence, references,... that these protocols were in existence in the 1640's in France and Britain ...but no proof I am aware of...

What IS relevant is....it has all come to pass...so...how is it a hoax? Or a forgery...(of what?)...or something Russians wrote a century later...
I thank you all for the diatribe on this subject...and wish us all the best ...as the world turns !!!

[Tangri]

IMHO,
There were Lairds and bookkeepers all the time. Bookkeepers always cheat the lairds, and lairds knew it but ignored it, most of the time, bookkeepers turned to money holders.

By the time, money-holders became land lord of their vicinity.

In history, bookkeepers did not fight and have an army which was their weakest side.

Today they can kill and have an army in their expense.

Our problems(as a peasant) grown with their conflict on the governance.

Elders addressed the problem, it was the inheritance . Both side of the governance had the continuity(blood lines), and this continuity with inheritance has the rapid grow rate than peasants' production rate.

Nowadays, easy problem solving occurs as a depopulation of governance s and their peasants with same ratio. In the past, war was the solution for this, but modern wars depopulate only peasant side.

Which is a complete failure to address the issue.

Rulers must not have off-springs if they want to become a ruler.( otherwise human nature kicks in anytime) We can't do it for royals but still can be done at politicians(since election is the power).

[idiit]

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04...mitic-khazars/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03...azarian-mafia/

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/04...mafia-part-ii/

all vt today khazarian articles here:

^ http://www.veteranstoday.com/?s=khazarian

veterans today has published several blistering articles on the true Zionists; the khazars and their redacted history. this is fascinating, must read stuff for those interested in the subject.

the khazars were luciferians who were forced by Russia to adopt a true religion or be destroyed. the khazars adopted Judaism as a façade to continue their centuries old traditions of evil incarnate. most khazarian history has been wiped clean from researchable documentation. Jews are not Zionists. Zionists are fake jews because if they (Zionists) were revealed for who they really are they would be exterminated.

the ancient homeland of the khazars was Ukraine. isn't it morbidly fascinating what's recently happened to Ukraine and the state of Israel announcing Israel is interesting in repopulating Ukraine in the near future?

Only yesterday came news that Syrian rebels plan to give Israel the Golan Heights in exchange for creation of a no-fly zone against the Assad regime. In an even bolder move, it is now revealed, Israel will withdraw its settlers from communities beyond the settlement blocs—and relocate them at least temporarily to Ukraine. Ukraine made this arrangement on the basis of historic ties and in exchange for desperately needed military assistance against Russia. This surprising turn of events had an even more surprising origin: genetics, a field in which Israeli scholars have long excelled.

It is well known that, sometime in the eighth to ninth centuries, the Khazars, a warlike Turkic people, converted to Judaism and ruled over a vast domain in what became southern Russia and Ukraine. What happened to them after the Russians destroyed that empire around the eleventh century has been a mystery. Many have speculated that the Khazars became the ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/leake...on-to-ukraine/

^ that's an israeli times newspaper article for your information.

the Ashkenazi Jews are the Zionists, aka fake jews. read this stuff for yourself.

[Lancet]

Hi all,
for what its worth ( my 2 cents),
Miles Mathis touches on several pertinent points. He points out that his papers are also directed at them.

1. I think he has highlighted Karma to them, and that their actions have consequences. no one controls karma.. not even the ETs and when they die what would happen to their next life? would it better to repent and make good even after all that they have done? They can change their karma by voluntarily and conscientiously making decisions for the benefit of mankind. I would presume that even the bankers and aristocrats have karmic concerns.

2. i think that it is timely that he has revisited this topic, and bring it back to to our consciousness.

3. his contention about the interposing of fact and fiction is also true.. he makes a good point on why it may be a propaganda piece.

4. if you were a bankster or an aristocrat.. what would you do? what points would you take so that the masses wouldnt take you to the nearest tree with some rope? so i see his suggestions for them as the most sensible path. it also represents an elegant decision

jt

[PathWalker]

From my perspective the protocols are very effective disguised NWO revelation.
It was written by insider. That could not reveal the true secret government identity.

If a scholar replaced the Jews with the Catholic church. It would read much more realistic.

The conspiratorial connections and communication channels described in the protocols requires massive collaborative organization spanning hundreds of years. This could fit nicely with secret societies and centralized institutions.

The western Jews were not centralized 100 years ago, to the contrary. The did their best effort to assimilate (failed miserably).

I find lots of correlation between the protocols and Gordon Duff's "Veteran Today". VT reveals lots of insiders information but wrap it with anti Israeli conspiratorial digestible slant. If one follow the information it is clearly not related to Israel or Jews but it is required by the operator (CIA/FBI...) to address some evil entity scapegoat. And preserve the victimhood, hate, anger and most important FEAR.

Therefore if a spiritual person read the protocols, it is very reach with reptilian in energy.
I find it very clever and effective diversion work of art.
I have strong feeling its sources are from the church.

As for plan and conspiracy described, it is a screenplay for the current revelation of the 4th reich in north America.

I am extra optimistic, since it is all falling on its face and the world people are awakening.
The old tactics of fear/hate/anger false flags war, are not as effective anymore. Even in Israel.

As for the rumor of Jews immigrating to Ukraine.
There is an ultra orthodox sect that perform yearly pilgrimage to Uman in central Ukraine (late September).
The person writing that rumor has no idea about the social/religious working of the Israeli society.

I enjoy reading VA material, and it is clear they know nothing at all about the overt and covert politics of Israel.
Better read VA posts from Uri Avinery he knows allot.

Lesson learned from PA in recent years.
All information presented here is biased and has agenda. We need to learn to analyze the information. Things are never what they seems to be on the face.

[loungelizard]

Thanks for introducing me to Miles Mathis, Paul - I shall read his analysis.

Incidentally Idiit, that blog entry in The Times of Israel is a spoof.

[idiit]

^ cool. the caliber here is pretty darn good. i'm a student.

All information presented here is biased and has agenda. We need to learn to analyze the information. Things are never what they seems to be on the face.

pathwalker

^ amen brother. that's the job.

[Camilo]

WOW, there is sombody out-there badmouthing PA, Bill and Paul regarding this thread. I just saw that as I tried to log into PA.

[Hervé]

What if...

... the designers of these protocols are neither cabalists/zionists nor aristocrats/satanists... but a third party that's very knowledgeable in the dealing ways of both protagonists to get them out of their way?

... because they initially designed both...

... you know, like in the "Orion Model"?

[araucaria]

As I stated above, the status of the Protocols is a quicksand of deeper and deeper layers of fiction; this includes dating of the document. Rather than getting bogged down in a ‘diachronic’ approach to this text, it may be more fruitful to take a ‘synchronic’ approach in the here and now.

The subtitle of this thread is ‘a call for a more benevolent leadership’: let’s get back to that. The issue facing the world today is the total bankruptcy of its leadership, not only moral bankruptcy due to lack of, maybe not benevolent intent, but at least benevolent outcomes, but also near financial bankruptcy for all but themselves, a combination leading to total ineffectiveness whereby before long there will be nothing more at all to be said or done. The present financier régime is irretrievably broken, and we cannot envisage a return to the previous aristocratic régime, which also signally failed. Nor can we allow a hostile takeover by any other group, which would only perpetuate the whole bankrupt régime system.

The here and now is that Miles Mathis is trying to speak directly to the 50 in charge in terms that they can understand and listen to, because he refuses to make devils of them. I agree with that approach, and am trying to do the same here. This post on an open forum is readable for what it says by whoever comes to this page, but it also has an active doing component that is directed solely at those gentlemen at the very top, and for me, speaking in terms they – you – can understand and listen to means converting a few possibly sentimental, religious turn-the-other-cheek sounding ideas into hard-nosed economic ones. Notions like forgiveness, redemption or karma are economic terminology that is no longer comprehensible in the garbled form it has taken on in churches and temples.

Let’s start with karma. We often hear that some people in high places have created so much bad karma for themselves that their fear of a day of reckoning has reached such a pitch that they can no longer ‘repent’, or in non-religious terms, envision a change of course. If so, and it is perfectly plausible given our general understanding of karma, then this is the major issue facing us at this time. I am going to tell you how this issue is to be resolved. It involves converting karma back to the economic process it originally was. Here, to set the ball rolling, is an earlier post of mine:

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Was thinking about karmic debt today and the Ma'at AI I speak of would be very suited for handling such.
I do believe in karmic debt to some degree, and believe if it is something that exists, it exists only because extraterrestrials have established systems for it.

I do not believe in karma in terms of any good you do is good karma. Or do bad any bad you do is bad karma. I more believe in a system involved in human psyche that is based on actions and reactions in addition to the extraterrestrial system in place.

On the subject of karma, here is something I posted last year on a private thread.

…Karma strikes me as a spiritual equivalent to banking or accounting. If you spend a lot of money, either you are building up large debt to be paid off, or you have substantial savings to draw from. You can be temporarily overdrawn, but apart from loans to pay back, you need to stay more or less in the black to preserve your credit rating. You have big spenders, who have a lot of money coming in and a lot going out. You have careful savers, who never spend more than they’ve got. But regardless of your budget, it works both ways: a double-entry bookkeeping system. Except that careful savers who never spend more than they’ve got don’t really need a bank anyway: they can simply spend as they earn and build up their modest wealth that way.

If you use this as an analogy for spiritual matters, it suggests that the more evil you are the more good you have done are or going to have to do – which in a timeless domain amounts to the same thing. In other words you can get away with a great deal of evil only if you are good enough – only gods can become devils; and conversely, it sounds like if you do no evil, you can do no good. The bottom line is that the negative is as powerful as the positive, if not more powerful.

This is all very well until you factor in the money made by the bank where the interest paid out to savers is a fraction of the interest collected from debtors. You have bankers and other capitalists making money out of money while the rest of us who are not running the show inevitably get into debt because it all balances out. This alchemy turns our real asset-backed cash into funny money, which is multiplied out of thin air and then laundered back into real cash.

Transpose this notion as well, this is Satan’s pride before a fall, of claiming superiority over God, when the opposite is true. You have a karma system that is not a God-given law of the universe, but a racket that has been set up by racketeers, who can spend our well-earned positive karma in this way to fulfil their hugely more ambitious negative goals. In other words, it is not just a matter of living off people’s fear, the idea is to live off people’s lack of fear, i.e. their love or goodness. However, this plan is doomed to failure, because they are producing increasing numbers of careful savers who are walking away from the whole setup.

So yes, I agree with Limor and Ron Mauer: karma is not so much a bitch as a huge scam.

I wasn’t thinking of the Catholic Church when I wrote that, but of course the monetization of indulgences (whereby cash donations became a substitute for good Christian living) was a major factor that led to the Protestant Reformation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indulgence

This is not to deny the existence and need for a system of honest, objective appraisal of how one has been doing within the overall scheme of things; simply that most current human thinking is a travesty of such a system.

Speaking in purely economic terms then means that bankruptcy is not moral or financial or both: it is simply financial, for unspecified reasons: something has happened that was not supposed to happen, no questions asked. That something is the fact that a corporation’s liabilities have outstripped its assets by such a margin that there is no way to carry on doing business. This is the stage we have reached. The assets of Earth Inc. have reached nearly 100% of the world’s resources and cannot be increased further. Its liabilities, or negative karma, have outstripped those assets by such a margin (falling just short of total destruction of the human race) that again, there is no way forward. The choice is now between voluntary or compulsory liquidation, corresponding to the ‘day of reckoning’ stripped of its religious overtones.

Liquidation involves a fiction: artificially balancing the books when they are irretrievably out of balance. This means that any assets are handed over, thereby redeeming liabilities in the same amount, with the inevitable further liabilities written off as bad debts. There is nothing particularly charitable about debt forgiveness: it is simply hard-nosed realism applied to debt. Realism means remembering from Accounting 101 that cash in hand cannot be negative: you can have cash in your purse, or no cash at all, but you cannot have less than nothing. Less than nothing is bad debt and the only way to remove it is to step back out of lalaland and write it off. It makes no sense for example to clap a multi-billion fine on a dodgy trader like they did to Jérôme Kerviel, when his ability to pay will not exceed a few hundred dollars per month – they just created more bad debt. A good debt is a debt with a due date sometime in the near future. A bad debt is one that has fallen overdue (due date in the past) and whose subsequent revised due dates recede into an ever more distant future (this year, next year, sometime, never).

Liquidation puts an end to this unending process: everything falls due right now. Bankruptcy means that you lose every last cent, but no more than that. The slate is wiped clean and you can start afresh. Only this time, on the global scale we are talking about, you are no longer free to make the rules as you go along, and compliance with collective regulations becomes the subject of greater oversight. The slate is wiped clean, meaning that your fresh start will possibly be frowned upon by some disgruntled creditors who realize they are never going to get their dues but who are nonetheless relieved to have recovered what they can and to be operating on firm ground at last. This is the turning-point where things will stop getting worse and can begin to improve, when everyone draws a line under everything that has happened up to this point.

The upshot of the above is that the huge worry of tremendous negative karma to be faced can be lifted from your shoulders by going into voluntary liquidation. This is a fully face-saving way out, because I for one – and I feel there are many more of us – am totally uninterested in passing judgement on what went wrong or apportioning blame of any kind. The answer to the debt of karma is a total amnesty, no questions asked. There are so many more or less innocent ways of coming unstuck that only become culpable when the offender persists beyond reason. Pardonable mistakes with far-reaching consequences can be made that only become unpardonable on the part of supposed masters who claim to be in full control of everything and hence above making any mistakes at all. This is now patently false – for one thing, you do not control my mind: I do. And it is that established falsity that removes the spectre of the unbearable alternative of compulsory liquidation. The burden of negative karma is indeed literally unbearable, and it is a spectre in the sense that you are haunted only by what you imagine to be the scale of retribution that awaits you – in other words, by a figment of your imagination: it ain’t gonna happen.

If I tell you that this future torment is happening now and that the world is quietly waiting for you to stop tormenting yourselves and simply move on together, that is a message I know you can hear. It means reversing the popular misconception that the rulers are out to get us. You are not out to get us: on the contrary, you live in fear that we are out to get you. We are not out to get you, we are merely pointing out that your economic model has ceased to be viable. Please try something else – by allowing others to try something else.