Enlightenment: The Ego, what is it? How to transcend it.

[Guish]

Posted by greybeard (here)
While it is helpful to be aware that we are not the body, it is also good to realise that the body is the receptacle for our consciousness.
We all have a "personal" vibration and that rises or falls as the case might be.

What Im getting to, is that the frequency/vibration of the enlightened is somewhat higher than pre realisation.
So its good to prepare the body for this as best you can.
Yoga is the tried and tested method, that and meditation.
It helps to have a supple spine for the Kundalini energy to rise without restriction.

This is not absolutely necessary as some awaken without K rising.
Adyashanti in a Sounds true interview spoke of his experience of this, both pre awakening and post awakening.

Meditation and mantra change the nervous system to hold the heightened spiritual energy.
Practising the Micro Cosmic Orbit (breathing energy up the spine and down the front in a loop---up spine with in breath--down the front with out breath)
All this is very health giving and brings peace.
Qui Gong is also good.

I dont do all of this now.

Current practise.
Meditation and prayer ongoing with occasional maytra, the Gayatri and Om Nama Shevia.

Having said all this, listening to Mooji and others may be sufficient to remove obstacles in order that Self Realisation occurs.

Bart Marshall mentioned that nothing works and its as though enlightenment happens by accident-----but you can become more accident prone.

Love Chris

Enlightenment is not an experience as one had to make oneself empty for it to happen. We know we are getting closer when the mind becomes more quiet and more peace is experienced.

[Rich]

Posted by Meggings (here)
I post this quote from Seth that someone just sent out. I post because it is an inner personal realization I have come to on my own through years of trying to "erase" myself so as not to offend others by being me.

1975.11.29 (ESP) You must not try to slay the conscious self, as you understand it, but {try} to expand its capacities. You must not try to slay the ego but {try} to understand that the ego is a term that you have used. You must not try to deny your individuality but {try} to understand what individuality is and means. And, use it.

If anyone here thinks it is a virtuous advantage to forget desire, to learn a distaste for life, to become detached, then look you to those who have lost desire, who have become detached, and who cry aloud in that agony for a sense of meaning and sensual validity. Those who say "There is no meaning to my life. Where shall I look?" have become detached from the fountainhead of being, the biological and spiritual fountainhead of being.

The soul is not dead. It is not finished and done with and beyond desire. It is desire! It is vitality so strong that it gives birth to your being and grows you from a dream to a physical reality. That is desire! God is desire! A flower,or a dog or a frog is desire!

I don't think those teachers mean 'being desireless' in the way Meggings and Seth mean, although I agree it can be misunderstood in such a way.

I think it is meant as being content with what is. Not in opposition of what is, which would only cause suffering.

To be what one Is is bliss and peace, this state of self fulfillment is what they mean by being desireless. To be our true self is the root desire, or more accurately put: it's the only desire, appearing in many different ways to the mind.

Obviously to be in peace and bliss does not mean being stagnant.

To know yourself as fully as you can, is to recognize you already contain everything your mind wants. ~Bashar

He is a real Sannyasi who has burnt desire to ashes. He is the universal teacher. The universe is in those who have renounced desire. ~Nityananda

He who is free from the delusion that he is the body, is nothing but bliss incarnate. ~Nityananda

[Wind]

Don't try to live God.
Let God live you.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

Posted by EmEx (here)

Posted by Meggings (here)
I post this quote from Seth that someone just sent out. I post because it is an inner personal realization I have come to on my own through years of trying to "erase" myself so as not to offend others by being me.

1975.11.29 (ESP) You must not try to slay the conscious self, as you understand it, but {try} to expand its capacities. You must not try to slay the ego but {try} to understand that the ego is a term that you have used. You must not try to deny your individuality but {try} to understand what individuality is and means. And, use it.

If anyone here thinks it is a virtuous advantage to forget desire, to learn a distaste for life, to become detached, then look you to those who have lost desire, who have become detached, and who cry aloud in that agony for a sense of meaning and sensual validity. Those who say "There is no meaning to my life. Where shall I look?" have become detached from the fountainhead of being, the biological and spiritual fountainhead of being.

The soul is not dead. It is not finished and done with and beyond desire. It is desire! It is vitality so strong that it gives birth to your being and grows you from a dream to a physical reality. That is desire! God is desire! A flower,or a dog or a frog is desire!

I don't think those teachers mean 'being desireless' in the way Meggings and Seth mean, although I agree it can be misunderstood in such a way.

I think it is meant as being content with what is. Not in opposition of what is, which would only cause suffering.

To be what one Is is bliss and peace, this state of self fulfillment is what they mean by being desireless. To be our true self is the root desire, or more accurately put: it's the only desire, appearing in many different ways to the mind.

Obviously to be in peace and bliss does not mean being stagnant.

To know yourself as fully as you can, is to recognize you already contain everything your mind wants. ~Bashar

He is a real Sannyasi who has burnt desire to ashes. He is the universal teacher. The universe is in those who have renounced desire. ~Nityananda

He who is free from the delusion that he is the body, is nothing but bliss incarnate. ~Nityananda

It should be noted that one reaches this state after a lot of struggles but once in this state, there's no suffering at all. The enlightened knows that the divine kingdom is inside. I mentioned before that some Zen Masters would be living as beggars because it really doesn't matter what the external conditions are. Peace is inside.

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[Guish]

Besides the noble art of getting things done,
there is the noble art of leaving things undone.
The wisdom of life consists in the elimination of non-essentials.
- Lin Yutang

[greybeard]

There is no person left to have a desire after enlightenment.
The unenlightened cant get it.
The persona of the enlightened operates just as before.

Adyashanti is clear on this---well as clear as is possible.
He states there never was a person--the one consciousness, in restricted state, is under the delusion that it is a person.

Enlightenment means the removal of ignorance--that is the lack of knowledge of Truth -- that Truth is that there is literally "Only One without a Second"

There seems to be preferences rather than desire and if the preference is not met that is perfectly al lright.

In duality there seems to be someone having a desire.
In order to self realise anything that is identified with is to be released.
As in-- I have a desire for--my desires are that---
Desires also tend to relate to repeat past fulfilment--present and future wants and needs.
Ego can be so subtle--I, me, and mine crop up quietly all the time.

Take this story--A friend says to me. "There was an accident round the corner and a car was damaged."
I express interest.
My friend describes the car and all of a sudden I realise its the car I bought today.
All of a sudden everything changes--Its MY car.
That's not subtle.

I try to be aware every time I’m selfing-- I can express an opinion--if that’s disagreed with and I don’t have an emotional response,, that's fine.
If I have an emotion to the degree I want strongly to prove I'm right--then I have a choice.
I can become aware what's going on--ego reaction-- and just easily let it go---or react.

Its not being a door mat--I can also qualify the opinion disagreed with in a non emotional conversational voice.
If disagreement continues I can just say "Fair enough"
I dont have a desire to prove Im right.
So there you go that's my take on desire and related mater.

Chris

Ps Wear the world like a loose garment.

Be in the world but not of it.

[truthseekerdan]

enlightenment = no attachments whatsoever...

Love = Everything

[Guish]

Great acts are made up of small deeds.
- Lao Tzu

[Wind]

Beloved,
don't be a warrior, just be yourself.

Don’t waste energy preparing for this mind-battle.
You are sharpening your sword
to kill dragons that don’t exist.
The more you think about them,
the more you empower illusions
and become deluded by them.
And then you are compelled to do battle
with an imagined enemy;
one created by your own projection,
arising out of your own fear and
appearing inside your mind alone.
In truth, man can only fight against himself.
So the way is not to fight,
rather, be in the fullness of your Peace
—the Peace that exists before duality arose.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

Posted by Wind (here)
Beloved,
don't be a warrior, just be yourself.

Don’t waste energy preparing for this mind-battle.
You are sharpening your sword
to kill dragons that don’t exist.
The more you think about them,
the more you empower illusions
and become deluded by them.
And then you are compelled to do battle
with an imagined enemy;
one created by your own projection,
arising out of your own fear and
appearing inside your mind alone.
In truth, man can only fight against himself.
So the way is not to fight,
rather, be in the fullness of your Peace
—the Peace that exists before duality arose.

~ Mooji

That's the essence of meditation brother.

[Guish]

[Wind]

You say you want to get rid of the noise,
but you and the noise go together.
You have to be you without ‘you’ and all noise will stop.
The real You is the formless witness within.
The person, the noisy one, is only imagined.
To recognise this is Freedom.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

You won't be able to receive if you are full
You won't be able to know peace if you're always thinking
you won't be able to understand everyone if you're someone
You won't be able to be happy when others are sad
You won't be able to love when you're in pain

Geerish.

[Guish]

[Wind]

"The Overself is not merely a transient intellectual abstraction but rather an eternal presence. For those who have awakened to the consciousness of this presence, there is always available its mysterious power and sublime inspiration.

"At some mysterious moment a higher power takes possession of him, dictates his thoughts, words, and acts. Sometimes he is amazed by them, by their difference from what he would normally have thought, spoken, or done."

~ Paul Brunton

[greybeard]

Conscious TV latest interview

Consciousness - Transformations (loaded 06 June 2015)
Debra Wilkinson - 'Awake And Ready' - Interview by Iain McNay (watch this programme)
Debra was the child of an alcoholic Mother who started seeking because she could not live with her mind's conditioning anymore. She was a mass of anxiety, hurt and plagued by the past and terrified by the future. She started to meditate which helped to lift the heavy energies she had acquired. She developed a very painful nerve condition and learnt to be with the pain. Found that a dreadful curse became a true blessing. She would spend 5 hours a day in meditation and got to the point where, 'I was done.' 'I thought I knew who I was but suddenly I wasn't that anymore. So I sat with it and asked 'Who Am I?' 'Who or what is that?' And the answer came 'I am God!' I realised in that moment I am God in expression and now my mind was free. Now there is just me and God and me knowing that I am God.'

http://conscious.tv/consciousness.ht...=4248954153001

[Wind]

As your mind re-enters your heart,
you are no longer a keeper of identity.
No need to set up an immigration desk for thoughts and feelings.
You become like a land without name, without boundary—limitless.
Like space, you are infinite, complete, immeasurable.
Effortlessly abiding in your own stillness.
Silent in the vast ocean of the Self.
Beyond need or desire.
Perfectly content in the single bliss of Being.

~ Mooji

[Guish]

[Innocent Warrior]

There is another me, in another reality, who is aware of me.
This other me created me, by choosing this physical experience.

I was born, and the higher me was now the higher me and me.

I, the human consciousness, forgot I was the higher me.
One stream of consciousness, two states of being, and now two realities; the reality of the higher me, which contained me and my reality, and my reality, the physical experience.

The me who was cut off from the higher me, through forgetting when entering the physical dream, became as a separate consciousness, in a separate reality.
So the higher me could perceive this me, but this me couldn’t perceive the higher me.

The higher me knew this would happen, and therefore had chosen a physical experience, which contained events, that would cause me to become aware of the higher me.

I became aware of the higher me, and grew to understand how it chose this experience, and created me.
The higher me imagined a reality, chose to experience it, fell asleep, and then there was me.

Within the awareness of all that is me, my consciousness is becoming a conduit, through which Source can flow freely.
Allowing the flow gives rise to the higher me, in full awareness, inside the dream.

The higher me is a lucid me, so that’s how I live my dreams.

[Wind]

Recognise the natural silence of your own Self.
Silence is not a behavior.
Silence is not a practice.
It is the natural perfume of being.
Trying to be still is not stillness.
Find that stillness inside, which simply Is.
There is no one to practice it.
It can only be recognised.
It is here.
It is not hiding.
It is not hurried.
Simply stop identifying with the past, future, present
or with any self image.
Be open to being nothing.
No thing. So that internally you are simply like a space.
But this is not an inert space, but a space full of aliveness.
Still don't define yourself as aliveness.
Don't define yourself at all.
Simply remain in natural self-awareness.

~ Mooji