Do not deny the body and its part in awakening.

[loveoflife]

It's all about embodiment. Don't forget your body as it's adjusting and changing during the process of "awakening". Many symptoms of dis-ease and dis-comfort we experience at times have more to do with the shift of frequency and metamorphosis we are going through (circuitry/DNA activation) than "illness" as seen through the lens of western medicine.

“What it brings is a sober reminder of how little we know and even less understand about the actuality of the process (of awakening) which demands realignment of all bodily systems to function in a totally different set of circumstances often unleashed by major impact of awakening.”

Here is a good article on this. Why We are Not Ready for the Full Bodied Truth of Awakening (and Crucify Those Who Tell It) http://theawakeneddreamer.com/2014/0...e-who-tell-it/

The Myth: Awakening is a shift of perception, a mental-emotional acrobatic that leaves one refreshingly peaceful and delightfully uninvested in personal identity, but that has no impact whatsoever on the physical body.

The Truth: Awakening is a radical of shift of identity that leaves one refreshingly peaceful and delightfully uninvested in personal identity, but that has profound impact on the body (and ultimately requires collaboration of the body).

What strikes me most about metamorphosis, is that it’s not subtle. It’s not like, “Oh, I think I’m no longer a caterpillar.” Rather, it’s more like: “Holy crap, I’ve got wings.”

Yet in the morphing toward winghood, there is this small bit of concern called the body. And rather than the body being collateral damage in this process of awakening, I will suggest it is instrumental.

By that I mean, the body is the vector for enlightenment. It is literally the delivery mechanism by which we experience the vastness of who we really are—at least while alive.

[greybeard]

Hi loveoflife
Have you heard of or experienced Kundalini?
That "upgrades" the nervous system to hold the higher energy.

Chris

[loveoflife]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Hi loveoflife
Have you heard of or experienced Kundalini?
That "upgrades" the nervous system to hold the higher energy.

Chris

Yes i have, I have not engaged in any practices to force this. I have been round the block. Through western then eastern religion, new age, enlightened masters, occult and more. I never rejected one belief for another, more like progressed from one to the other, all comprises the gestalt of who i am.

I prefer a natural, organic and gradual process.

What has happened to me may be kundalini rising, though i do not know. I know others have have experienced profound, dramatic and sudden changes, these do seem to be the exception rather that the rule. There must also be those who have experienced kundalini without knowing what it is.

Awakening for me is evidenced in retrospect, when i see the many changes from the individual i once was and who i have become.

Illness for me has been part of the process on a physical and psychological level. I have been forced through illness to make the necessary changes to behaviour and diet that further facilitates the process of awakening.

[greybeard]

Yes its a mistake to force it.
I had never heard of Kundalini and it awakened spontaneously about twenty years ago.
The body started to gyrate all by it self and energy started to move up the spine when I was meditating.
It takes time to complete though on rare occasions it can complete instantly.
God shock may be similar

Adyashanti spoke about K rising pre and post enlightenment on a Sounds True interview.

Best wishes
Chris

[Cristian]

Hey Chris,

You think you will be back ? You have visions of past and future lives ?

[greybeard]

Posted by Cristian (here)
Hey Chris,

You think you will be back ? You have visions of past and future lives ?

I dont know Cristian
All I can say is that when K awakened I was directed to go to Dr Goels Third eye ashram.
He checked that K was in fact awakened then gave Shaktipat and said that when K is awakened then enlightenment is now inevitable this life time or next.
Hopefully this one.
Skatipat is the touching of the forehead by an awakened Guru.

I’ve put a link below for information on K.
The book is good but obviously of the Indian culture.
Chris


http://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/d...-views-IDK142/

[ghostrider]

instead of believing , walk in your knowing , and let it happen naturally ...the might of the thoughts are very powerful ... they can change the way your body feels and responds ...

[loveoflife]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Yes its a mistake to force it.
I had never heard of Kundalini and it awakened spontaneously about twenty years ago.
The body started to gyrate all by it self and energy started to move up the spine when I was meditating.
It takes time to complete though on rare occasions it can complete instantly.
God shock may be similar

Adyashanti spoke about K rising pre and post enlightenment on a Sounds True interview.

Best wishes
Chris

Thanks, no disrespect.

I am not impressed with many of those who claim to have awoken and raised their kundalini, some seem to regard it as a spiritual qualification or a badge of honour in a spiritual hierarchy.

In those who experience symptoms of awakening recently there is no mention of kundalini.

[greybeard]

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Yes its a mistake to force it.
I had never heard of Kundalini and it awakened spontaneously about twenty years ago.
The body started to gyrate all by it self and energy started to move up the spine when I was meditating.
It takes time to complete though on rare occasions it can complete instantly.
God shock may be similar

Adyashanti spoke about K rising pre and post enlightenment on a Sounds True interview.

Best wishes
Chris

Thanks, no disrespect.

I am not impressed with many of those who claim to have awoken and raised their kundalini, some seem to regard it as a spiritual qualification or a badge of honour in a spiritual hierarchy.

In those who experience symptoms of awakening recently there is no mention of kundalini.

Some for sure succumb to spiritual ego.
In genuine full awakening there is no ego left to claim anything.
Adyashanti and others are clear, there never was a person--that's the illusion.
There can be no hierarchy with self realisation--there only is "One without a second"
There are some charlatans purporting to be awakened, as said no one can claim to be enlightened, it is not a personal event.
When kundalini awakens the recipient cant control it.
There are many misunderstandings of spiritual teachings, partly because of miss-translation from Indian languages.
I don't claim to be right in anything I post-- I'm just expressing my current understanding

Best wishes
Chris

[Guish]

Hi,

I posted about it earlier. I had a Kundalini experience some months ago. Headaches, lower back pain, burning sensations, no sleep and uncontrollable movements of the body during sleep were things that were very hard to manage. TraineeHuman advised me to clean my body. I stopped eating meat and have been staying away from processed food as much as I can. I lost 6 Kgs and I feel much better. I'm much more serene now and open. I have been meditating for years but that experience came on its own.

[AwakeInADream]

The body expresses the true self perfectly, I agree. A very fine dance between the inner and outer is in play. Physically we are the end, but is that more important than the beginning? Not so. The journey is important, but that is too allegorical, no no, what is important is the whole, the union. Awakening doesn't happen to the body, but the body happens to it.

[TraineeHuman]

I have a rather different take on "kundalini energy", based on my experiences with a whole variety of individuals who were masters of it, and also on my own various different experiences of it.

These days I would prefer to think of "energy" as signifying not just emotional energy but really anything at all. And in particular I would see it as often meaning things which are infinite but which we try to somehow grasp (at least partly) in a finite form. I would see "kundalini energy" as "energy" being used, perhaps by one's self, in a certain transformative and partly embodied way. But for me it's also very closely and essentially tied to what happens in the "transmission" of "energy" from a true guru or true master.

My experience has been that the quality and quantity of what gets "transmitted" depends as much on the "energy receiving" skills and consciousness of the recipient as of the transmitter. Also, that it's not as if the energy was a passive objectlike "thing", but that any recipient who is genuinely ready will also have a considerable transformative effect on the sender. I've had experiences with mostly Eastern gurus but also some Western ones (such as Andrew Cohen, for instance) where in a room full of (maybe dozens of) people suddenly I've found myself locked into a kind of one-to-one exchange for some minutes which the teacher seemed to focus their attention on. It's as if the "transmission exchange" was what spirituality was really all about, at least in relation to any guru or master. Everything else was just trimmings, or so it seems to me.

One of my kundalini energy master teachers was a woman in my home town whom the God Shiva recommended, telling me she could easily teach me everything important that was missing in my knowledge regarding true enlightenment . He told me I would meet her in three months less ten days after talking to him, and although I forgot about the date and about his recommendation, he was right. She was giving a talk and demonstration at a psychic fair near my suburb. Certainly she had an energy about her with such a lightness and beauty that I had to resist the temptation to fall in love with her, which would have been inappropriate anyway. One example of an "energy" skill I already had was that I could look at a person's face and quickly run through their life history so far, and I noticed that this woman was still carrying deep rejection and abandonment and self-dislike from her time as an infant. It turned out she had indeed been an orphan. I didn't feel willing to go to her kundalini classes because of the heaviness of that ego that she was carrying, despite the extraordinary lightness and bliss and love and healing energy that she also had and that I could see radiating throughout the whole room in silver, gold and violet colors.

I nevertheless came to her classes, because there was a voice in my head which kept going non-stop throughout the day, and also briefly when I was trying to fall asleep, for more than two days, until I relented. This voice kept telling me over and over again that this woman was the reincarnation of the famous Oracle at Delphi who had advised Alexander and had singlehandedly turned Delphi into almost the capital or center of the Greek/Macedonian world, and that I was priveleged to have the opportunity to learn from her. I eventually worked out that the voice was coming from one of my guardian angels.

In her classes I got to observe how she claimed to facilitate what she called kundalini-raising in various participants. I would now call what she did "mini kundalini raisings". I soon learnt how to do the same thing myself. If the individual was genuinely ready to face the horribleness of some of their honest inner feelings, a very light-gray ball of (kundalini) energy, anything from about six inches to two feet or so in diameter, would initially appear a little below their feet, then rise and linger near their feet or legs for a few minutes. She would then facilitate its movement up the person's body, till it reached the oversoul area above the head, and then the individual would be aware of making a psychological breakthrough and of releasing a very major self-judgment. I learnt how to myself get the ball to appear below a ready individual's feet and then, through a psychic interaction with the individual, to kind of coax the ball upwards by using psychic healing on the particular blocks that were slowing down the upward progress.

Although this teacher claimed that such experiences were true kundalini raisings that people in nineteenth century India had created exaggerated myths about, I came to the conclusion that there is also a much bigger kind of kundalini-raising. Indeed, while I was working with her she identified that I was in such a raising continuously for a period of more than two weeks, and certainly I seemed to be going through breakthrough after breakthrough throughout that period. She warned me that I needed to drink plenty of water with sea salt, to guard against the development of epilepsy through overheating of the brain. Overheating of my body generally was a problem in my life for about six years after that. I couldn't sleep with even a single sheet over me in summer, and just a thin sheet in winter. My body would sweat at embarrassing times, sometimes excessively.

Perhaps another kind of kundalini-raising, though, is the removal of a large number of one's self-judgments as a result of what happens during a transmission. I've experienced that one a (small) number of times.

I don't really subscribe any more to the notion that people are trapped into reincarnating because of their "karma". I believe that even the physical world, and even this planet the way it's currently run by the elite, was meant to be a place where one can learn to be free of unhappiness and therefore enjoy life and hopefully make positive contributions if maybe only in small ways.

There's much more I could say about what I believe kundalini-raising is and isn't, and what it means and doesn't mean, and how to go about demythologizing it, but this will do for now.

[greybeard]

The Buddha said that enlightenment is freedom from misery.
Yoga was union ---and the physical part of this was to keep the spine supple so that the energy could rise effortlessly.
Blockages in the chakras can make the rising somewhat fraught--so work to clear the chakras is helpful.
Practising the micro cosmic orbit is good--mantra which is is really sound vibration also helps Om-nama -Shivia being the one recommended for Kundalini.
However Kundalini cant be forced--neither can enlightenment---its down to Grace.
Enlightenment is a bit like an accident but you can become accident prone through meditation --mantra--surrender to the will of God --which is your Self.
This has to be a priority in ones life--tilting at windmills will not do it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Quixote
Chris

[Guish]

Changes happen when one is ready to receive the change. Create the conditions and the change will happen.

[loveoflife]

It appears that this thread has been derailed into a discussion on kundalini.

It appears that many here are involved with eastern mysticism.

I suppose that is understandable if ones experience and research is limited to those techniques.

[greybeard]

Posted by loveoflife (here)
It appears that this thread has been derailed into a discussion on kundalini.

It appears that many here are involved with eastern mysticism.

I suppose that is understandable if ones experience and research is limited to those techniques.

With respect Kundalini is within the body.
I followed the teaching of Eckhart Tolle and Dr David Hawkins for years both spoke of Kundalini briefly.
Cant see the thread is derailed
Why dont you say where you are coming from spiritually then anyone who wished could discuss or not as the case might be.
Spirituality does not belong to mysticism or any culture
Regards Chris

[loveoflife]

I have noticed that on forums that there are are few people who like to dominate certain topics, especially spiritual threads with their particular philosophy.

[Innocent Warrior]

Deleted post.

[greybeard]

My views on spirituality have changed radically since joining Avalon years ago and that's down to the sharing by people from different cultures, different countries and diverse beliefs. No doubt my views will continue to evolve.

The full bodied truth of awakening might be found here but thats my point of view as of the moment.
Chris
,https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post456904

[Joe Bongo]

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Hi loveoflife
Have you heard of or experienced Kundalini?
That "upgrades" the nervous system to hold the higher energy.

Chris

Yes i have, I have not engaged in any practices to force this. I have been round the block. Through western then eastern religion, new age, enlightened masters, occult and more. I never rejected one belief for another, more like progressed from one to the other, all comprises the gestalt of who i am.

I prefer a natural, organic and gradual process.

What has happened to me may be kundalini rising, though i do not know. I know others have have experienced profound, dramatic and sudden changes, these do seem to be the exception rather that the rule. There must also be those who have experienced kundalini without knowing what it is.

Awakening for me is evidenced in retrospect, when i see the many changes from the individual i once was and who i have become.

Illness for me has been part of the process on a physical and psychological level. I have been forced through illness to make the necessary changes to behaviour and diet that further facilitates the process of awakening.

I'm brand new on this forum, this is my very first post, so roll with me please... . Been lurking and reading for 2 days trying to decide how involved I want to become here.

The quoted post resonated with me. 31 years ago I had an "awakening" that came through alcohol and drug abuse. No white light experience. My path from the day I had my last drink/drug has also been a natural, organic, and gradual process. One that is sill very much moving forward. I'm familiar with K awakening, but the pursuit of it is something that's never called to me. Not my path. Though I respect it, and those who choose it.

Anyhow, a big part of my awakening over the years has had to do with dealing with pain, both mental and physical. Pain that well intentioned doctors have wanted to medicate. Inner guidance however always led me in another direction, and because of that, I've experienced healing in countless ways. At the end of my drinking I had become agoraphobic. I could no longer function at all, and the last years of addiction I was suicidally depressed. First 2 years without drugs and alcohol, though not diagnosed, I undoubtedly had an anxiety/panic disorder. Over the next 10 years I was diagnosed with everything from clinical depression, to possible bi-polar disorder, plus a whole bunch of physical ailments... TMJ, arthritis, spinal problems, chronic throat and infection problems, along with other things I can't recall right now. Bottom line is that I'm now completely healthy (spiritually, mentally, physically, and socially), content, and happy. I also function quite well in the world. I believe all of this came from my facing my pain and uncomfortability, and listening to what that pain was telling me, as opposed to running from it or attempting to medicate or dull it in any way.

The desire to escape or dull pain, as opposed to being grateful for it and use it to our benefit, is one of the biggest problems I think we have in the world today. We're all supposed to be facebook happy 24/7, ya know. I know, there are many worldly problems, but my focus is here right now as I've recently been introduced to another challenge . I enjoy running. By not listening to pain in my knees I've had for over a year, I got to the point 2 weeks ago (after biking on a vacation) where I couldn't walk any more. I'm not depressed by this however... well, a little. But I consider it another awakening for me. I have to learn things the hard way. 2 weeks into healing, and I'm actually doing quite well. Even feel I could run (ok, trot maybe) today if I wanted, but I'm listening this time!

RE this forum. Not sure yet if I truly belong here. It seems like a fascinating resource for information that I'd never find anywhere else, but part of my healing has been to stay focused on solutions as opposed to problems. I noticed people here can get a bit wrapped up in things I'd rather not fill my mind with. There are things I have some control over, and other things I feel just diminish my energy and resources. I can get real up in arms about most things political, but I don't feel that helps me heal myself, nor the world in any way. It helps me to spread anger, and starts bumming me out actually. I'm a much more useful, healthy person when I'm looking into the light as opposed to the darkness. And I understand the need for awareness at the same time. I may need to continue to leave that for those better able to handle it though. And take what comes to me without my seeking it out or forcing it (kinda like you stated in the post above).

Anyhow, wanted to chime in. Also wanted to say hi to everyone. Hi everyone! .