Soul-Catching Net: Are We “Recycled” at Death to Remain in the Matrix? // The Alien Agenda - Simon Parkes 2015

[Agape]

It's all the same thing in principle . Zen monks sat for ages trying to 'capture a soul' of a mountain , in painting , meaning of a word - in calligraphy or in musical composition ..
the best musician can move the mountain .

The best painter .. throws himself to the ocean

The best calligrapher turns speechless

What a foolishness on human part to walk the path of gods ..

[DNA]

Hey Cider, I've got nothing but love for you. But there is an art form on knowing when enough is enough on a single post.
Your posts on this thread are so big, I for the most part by pass them.
If you are looking to generate dialogue, you have got to reign in those gigantic posts.
People can't respond to a post when there are like twenty things to respond on.
I love the data you provide, but you have to ask yourself, are you writing a piece for posterity or are you trying to generate dialogue and conversation?
I will now shut up.
I always appreciate your work regardless.

[Cidersomerset]

Hey Cider, I've got nothing but love for you. But there is an art form on knowing when enough is enough on a single post.
Your posts on this thread are so big, I for the most part by pass them.

No you have a point , I got a bit carried away with a Saturday night Enya session after
her song Aldabaran was mentioned in one of the Simon Parkes vids as they were having
a break. Then I had the brain wave to look in the David Icke archive , and could not
decide which one to post , so ended up posting them all . Then decided to put a Enya
song at the end of each post. Then you sent me off to the moon via John Lear ...LOL
That kept me up to 3am UK time. Then this morning I went a bit 'Ionic' and decided
I had clogged up the thread with to many tangents , but it is a massive subject.
The meaning of life ? or after life ? or eternal life ?...LOL

Yes I have put up to much info , and maybe I'd better start again...LOL...cheers Steve...

Now its time to sail away thru the astral plane of dreams..........

Enya - "Orinoco Flow"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uhBctzSb8uw

[loveoflife]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Most will have heard of the Chinese whisper--each time the story is passed on it get changed enlarged upon.
I would rather believe first hand information as in coming from those enlightened/awakened living today--the list is quite long.
For example Tims thread
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post456904

Mooji and others videos regularly appear in the spiritual section.

A good investigator will also investigate the words of the enlightened--I am aware some on this thread have.

There is a false premise that the soul can be captured
If the premise is false, then everything else falls short of truth.

A short Mooji quote

"When you think, ‘All is Brahman, all all all, everything is Brahman,' you are free, you are fine.
If you have that bhavana, that inner attitude, the feeling, 'All is Brahman' will unify your powers, harmonise everything.
You don’t have to do any other practice, if you have that bhavana, that attitude inside.
Similarly, when you drop the 'I'-dentity, the person, unity is found.
Because It is here already. Even the ego is held inside the great unity actually.
Even disharmony is part of the great harmony.
But few see or understands this.
Ego has a very important part in the play of life.
The consciousness has to taste ego until it becomes tired of its limitations.
When consciousness become tired of ego, e-goes and He remains.

~ Mooji"

Greybeard. Are you enlightened, if not then what you say is no more than a belief system based on those who say they are. Until you reach that state the information that you have is secondhand if you pass it on it then becomes thirdhand.

Instead of quoting saying all is one (brahamn) a predominant new age teaching that can be very misleading, why don't you find a quote where the afterlife is mentioned and described by one of these enlightened. I have never seen one. Neither have i heard any references to aliens, this thread assumes that this reincarnation manipulation is carried out by them to keep us as livestock.

The belief that i am brahman can be very dangerous if not realised, if we are recycled back here and use such lofty beliefs to refrain from action or investigation, it then becomes a new age deception.

It is not under dispute that we are infinite or all one, what is under dispute is the purpose of reincarnation and those who are manipulating humanity for their own ends and want to be regarded as gods and how deep and pervasive does their deception go.

And to this day, [those] who...know the self as I am Brahman [the ONE], become all this universe.
Even the gods [any other dimensional beings] cannot prevent his becoming this, for he has become their Self. ...if a man worships another deity thinking: He is one and I am another, he does not know.
He [who does not know] is like a sacrificial animal to the gods. As many animals serve a man, so does each man serve the gods. Even if one animal is taken away, it causes anguish to the owner; how much more so when many are taken away!
Therefore it is not pleasing to the gods that men should know this [that they are the ONE].
Brihadaranyaka Upanishad, I.iv.10

I used to believe in karma, i now see that reincarnation should be a choice made by a sovereign being who has free will. If it is an obligation then there is no free will.


Besides enlightened does no mean all knowing, according to these masters it is mastery of the self.

We have had religions, gurus and enlightened for thousands of years yet look at the world, is it getting better?

If religions and gurus can be manipulated in an illusory matrix, then why not the enlightened. Besides the topic of this thread is not enlightenment which appears to be your specialty, it is about whether reincarnation is method of perpetuating slavery in an illusory matrix life after life.

The soul can be captured if its existence is out of awareness, which appears to be the case for the great majority. Even those on this thread who say that the soul cannot be captured, are referring to it in the third person, if its not an experience of identification then its a mere belief.

Lofty ideals will not save us from being deceived.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=EwGnomNZqW4

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=8sCKlm8UNyQ

[Innocent Warrior]

You don't need to be enlightened to see whether or not the light is a trap. Get out of your body and you'll soon discover the clarity of your consciousness in its natural state. Once we shed the physical mind, our awareness is boundless. Go to NDERF and read the accounts of people who have died and come back, you'll see there is no confusion about the nature of the light, in that state. Yes, if we pass in a deep state of fear we can have a nightmarish experience...so be fearless.

[observer]

Posted by loveoflife (here)

[snip...]

I would not say it has been happening since the dawn of man, there is ancient information especially from Vedic sources that helps understand the phenomena and how humans are but a fraction of what they once were, and other texts, Sumerian, that attribute this to genetic engineering of humans.

These Vedic texts talk of a devolution of humans through cycles of ages (yugas), they are in many ways the opposite of evolution theory and western understandings about life. To me this makes sense as everything seems to be upside down and back to front at present.

There are several versions of reality that contradict the academic indoctrinated one. I would recommend a open minded appraisal of them all.

Has anyone ever considered the concept: "The Divine Right To Rule"?

If one researches the historic record, all the way back to the first written record on the planet, one will see this "Divine Right To Rule" concept in one form or another. This concept permeates the ruling families no matter where on the planet one studies royalty. From Eastern culture to Western culture, and everywhere in between - even to Mesoamerica.

The little known foundational construct that supports this "Divine Right To Rule" is hidden in blood-lines.

Throughout history, there has been a contiguous, unbroken bloodline that gives the Global Royalty the "Divine Right To Rule".

• This unbroken blood-line is written into the historic record suggesting a divine blood-line, all the way to the time of the genetic manipulation which created Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
• The blood-line is a mutation which gives this select group the ability to communicate with hyperdimensional entities through ritual - especially blood ritual.
• The unbroken rule of these royal families has been directed - since the Dawn of Man (homo sapiens sapiens) - through a special connection to hyperdimensional entities, giving these royal families the power to control the rest of the Mass of Humanity.

There is no point in the history of humanity where this control mechanism was not in place.

Everything humanity has been told is broken.

They are very clever at what they do....

[greybeard]

Loveoflife All the information about Soul catching net is very second hand.
No one on the thread is claiming personal experience of remembering being captured as far as I can see..

Talk of the Moon being involved--well well--no moon, no tides, stagnant water--no life surviving.

As far as enlightenment goes the accounts are pretty uniform and my own personal experiences are similar but not permanent.
Kundalini awakening brings some gifts, sidihis which are not explainable in scientific terms.
Making love effectively at a distance, seeing ,feeling bent calcified backs straighten at a touch, other healing happen spontaneously.
That is my personal experience.

The enlightened are not inclined to mention anything that is secondary, everything arises and subsides in consciousness--all is transitory except awareness.
You existed before the Universe arose and will remain when it subsides.

Chris

Ps On investigation I can see that what has looked through my eyes remains unchanged regardless of what is witnessed.
What I am does not feel any different--that proves in part to me what the enlightened point to. I am eternal. The body changes, attitude and beliefs have changed I am is constant. What exactly can be captured?

Chris

[loveoflife]

Posted by observer (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)

[snip...]

I would not say it has been happening since the dawn of man, there is ancient information especially from Vedic sources that helps understand the phenomena and how humans are but a fraction of what they once were, and other texts, Sumerian, that attribute this to genetic engineering of humans.

These Vedic texts talk of a devolution of humans through cycles of ages (yugas), they are in many ways the opposite of evolution theory and western understandings about life. To me this makes sense as everything seems to be upside down and back to front at present.

There are several versions of reality that contradict the academic indoctrinated one. I would recommend a open minded appraisal of them all.

Has anyone ever considered the concept: "The Divine Right To Rule"?

If one researches the historic record, all the way back to the first written record on the planet, one will see this "Divine Right To Rule" concept in one form or another. This concept permeates the ruling families no matter where on the planet one studies royalty. From Eastern culture to Western culture, and everywhere in between - even to Mesoamerica.

The little known foundational construct that supports this "Divine Right To Rule" is hidden in blood-lines.

Throughout history, there has been a contiguous, unbroken bloodline that gives the Global Royalty the "Divine Right To Rule".

• This unbroken blood-line is written into the historic record suggesting a divine blood-line, all the way to the time of the genetic manipulation which created Homo Sapiens Sapiens.
• The blood-line is a mutation which gives this select group the ability to communicate with hyperdimensional entities through ritual - especially blood ritual.
• The unbroken rule of these royal families has been directed - since the Dawn of Man (homo sapiens sapiens) - through a special connection to hyperdimensional entities, giving these royal families the power to control the rest of the Mass of Humanity.

There is no point in the history of humanity where this control mechanism was not in place.

Everything humanity has been told is broken.

They are very clever at what they do....

Divine rule is a theme that does feature in many histories that are generally accepted. We also have to take in account that that history has been been manipulated and can never be entirely accurate.

The divine right to rule was introduced to this planet. There are vedic texts that tell of a time before they arrived.

[loveoflife]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Loveoflife All the information about Soul catching net is very second hand.
No one on the thread is claiming personal experience of remembering being captured as far as I can see..

Talk of the Moon being involved--well well--no moon, no tides, stagnant water--no life surviving.

As far as enlightenment goes the accounts are pretty uniform and my own personal experiences are similar but not permanent.
Kundalini awakening brings some gifts, sidihis which are not explainable in scientific terms.
Making love effectively at a distance, seeing ,feeling bent calcified backs straighten at a touch, other healing happen spontaneously.
That is my personal experience.

The enlightened are not inclined to mention anything that is secondary, everything arises and subsides in consciousness--all is transitory except awareness.
You existed before the Universe arose and will remain when it subsides.

Chris

Ps On investigation I can see that what has looked through my eyes remains unchanged regardless of what is witnessed.
What I am does not feel any different--that proves in part to me what the enlightened point to. I am eternal. The body changes, attitude and beliefs have changed I am is constant. What exactly can be captured?

Chris

Your perception of reality and yourself can be captured. Especially if you are told that you did not achieve enough yet on the wheel of samsara, and are sent back after a memory wipe to come back and do it all again. That sounds like victimhood to me.

Everyone here was captured and indoctrinated into a very sophisticated multilayered and multidimensional system of slavery, a few escape the net. Do you consider that natural order of things?

Enlightenment is only one aspect of existence here, there is a bigger picture.

There is a possibility that kundalini awakening and enlightenment is another sophisticated implanted program, have you considered that.

It is is possible that the enlightened are awake and at the same time deluded, that is the nature of duality.

[Cidersomerset]

The David Icke Facebook Photo Gallery – funny and profound

By David Icke on 29th June 2015



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Juice Rap News: New 10 Commandments by Pope Francis

By ickonic on 29th June 2015

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=uL26S7R1Hp8

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Philosopher Kings, Rings and Things

By ickonic on 29th June 2015 Activism, The Awakening, The Matrix




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‘In ancient days there were philosopher kings and queens, sages and wise councils who led,
or rather encouraged, mankind. They did this by their innate understanding, not by force or
decree, but by loving and compassionate empowerment and without hierarchy. They simply
pointed the way for humanity to discover its own true self by conscious awakening and the
realization of its true potential.

Truly benign and loving sages, shamans and elders who sought the best for humanity.

Sad to say however, those days were usually scuttled by blood thirsty power mongers, as in
the days of ancient Greece and other more enlightened civilizations being overthrown by
warlords, or as in the cases of the deliberate evisceration of native peoples across the world.
No doubt this cycle has been repeated for millennia, even before recorded history.’

Memes of these ancient struggles have been passed down through so-called myths and legends,
and have often been immortalized by works of art and literature. The Lord of the Rings by Tolkien
is one example; part myth, and a large part hidden truth. The Iliad and the Odyssey by Homer, a
classic for centuries, is another. Modern culture has repeated these archetypal imprints furiously
in an effort to play upon these deeply known truths in the human heart. Unfortunately, it has
usually been to fictionalize and distance these great truths in the societal engineers’ efforts to
further alienate us from their profound meaning and significance.



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The Ring of Truth – Or Power?

It’s interesting how the image of the ring has been so predominant in these ancient and modern
stories. The placing of the ring on rulers, be they crowns or literal rings on the hand, has signified
some form of generally accepted authority for eons.



It is quite profound how rings are used as power and allegiance symbols – be it epic tales, royalty,
marriage or even decorative jewelry. The ring even extends to halos over so-called holy figures and
a host of other applications. This doesn’t make the ring symbol untoward or evil in itself, it’s merely
a focal point.The ring in any form simply exemplifies infinity, the universal Source, the completeness
of Creation and our ongoing creativity. It’s not sinister in the least. It reflects what is attached to it.

The Lord of the Rings meme and so many others like it have become predominant in today’s worldview.
According to Tolkien’s tale this coveted ring of power causes many to go through incredible events with
much drama, only for the ring to be thrown into the maw of earth’s interior cauldron to be destroyed
forever, thus sparing mankind.

What is the real message here? For us, is it that this scenario of overcoming should be so and that’s why
humanity draws inspiration from this story of struggle and eventual victory over evil? And might humanity
realize this symbolic ring of power syndrome still exists on our planet and needs to be destroyed?

What is compelling is the underlying notion of a power so immense that controlling it is the fantasy of
would-be rulers. This of course hails to the Luciferian doctrine of controlling energy itself, to be mimicked
and then disguised as a false “light” in an effort to dominate and empower dark forces in order to exalt
their ilk above Truth itself.

It’s an ancient meme, but our planet’s history is riddled with it on up to and including today’s world.

The “ring” in their hands is one of power. This is not so in the minds and hearts of the conscious who
realize they are intricately woven into the fabric of the divine and understand the true nature of reality.
There is a serious vibrational disconnect here between these ideas, and we should beware of getting swept
into their perverted interpretation and thus struggle on the wrong playing field with hampered capability.

Enter the Philosopher Kings

While these agents of evil and psychopathic control have been glorified by violence and bloodshed
throughout so-called fables and history as they extol their “victories” over their declared “enemies”,
the protagonist(s) of every heart resonating tale is always a wise and brave one, or ones, who stood
up against the status quo and untoward forces for the good of humanity. Someone(s) who had the
overarching Truth held close to their hearts who were incorruptible and unstoppable despite the chaos
perpetrated by the purveyors of death and destruction.

Yes, there is a place where our worlds collide.

We still hold these conscious outspoken figures and wise ones dear in an unshakable way. This is why
this meme is utilized in almost every romanticized notion of courage and bravery in spite of seemingly
insurmountable obstacles. We resonate with it, therefore it’s something they want to control, pervert
and/or erase entirely.

You might have noticed the “rise of the dark knight” theme that’s swept the entertainment industry in
recent years. Former heroes become corrupted agents of evil while pristine qualities of love and beauty
have become grossly perverted. The social engineering is in full swing in an attempt to reverse even our
archetypical knowing of not only the difference between good and evil, but of courageous acts of love
and altruism, all in an attempt to bring confusion and despair and further chaos as humanity’s moral
compass gets jacked around by their manipulative magnets.

The fundamental truths that underlie our very existence however cannot be hijacked – only masked and
twisted in an effort for a temporary effect on the social climate of the day. Philosopher Kings and wise
loving Queens are ever not only amongst us, but a voice within each of us, pointing the way out of the
madness into a life of empowered sanity and social harmony. All the would-be controllers can try to do
Is suppress these voices by marginalizing and minimalizing their influence.

But that’s a tough one to do in today’s interconnected and rapidly awakening world.


council of beings

Warrior Within Arise

Standing up for and speaking the truth and rising in defense of our oppressed collective family can never
be thwarted. It is the heart cry of each and every truly alive warrior of love. Hindered perhaps, but never
quenched. When the offending forces of greed and power grow to such proportions as they have today,
these opposing elements become much more manifest and clearly defined as the catalytic crystallization
between these two forces takes effect as it is now.

It’s a challenging time. We’re being driven to personal choices such as most of us have never experienced.
Those on the front lines of these oppressive warring powers know full well the extent of their murderous
programs such as the western hegemonic genocide victims in Gaza and the Ukraine and the like, but the
vast majority in nations perpetrating these atrocities and societal manipulations are still sitting on the
sidelines, clinging to their willful ignorance and apathy and trusting the mainstream narrative that it’s all
for their good and security.

The voices of truth are rising, and in massive numbers and in ever increasing volume. With or without
mass communications, individuals and local communities are arising to their challenges and taking a stand.

The number one instrument we each need to activate is our own resonant understanding. This goes beyond
“normal” knowledge” as we’ve been taught and goes deeper into heart knowledge, a realm we’re all learning
to access and trust all the more.

That voice of our inner Philosopher King, and Queen – with the divine Feminine regaining her rightful
place – cannot be fully suppressed, any more than you can compress water between two flat plates. It
will simply relocate, and in fact be forced to rapidly spread farther and wider than it ever has before.

So never mind the naysayers, the fear mongers, the mockers, the disempowering and the rejectors. The
truth is what it is and cannot be stopped.

It’s now up to each of us to know, live and speak this truth with everything in us. The onslaught humanity
is faced with is not in our imagination and will not go away by burying our heads in the sand.

We owe it: to the great voices that have dared to speak the truth in love and wisdom and those who’ve
stood up for humanity in every age, to our progeny and our fellow human beings, to our ravaged planet,
and to the wondrous creative Universal Source that has imbued us with such marvelous attributes
awaiting our willingness to activate.

Into the breach! They have no defense against truth.

Be bold, brave and unafraid. Step into your warrior role and fulfill your destiny.

Love always, Zen

ZenGardner.com


Read more: Philosopher Kings, Rings and Things

http://www.zengardner.com/philosophe...gs-and-things/



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Enya - The Celts

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wMGli8I2c4U

[Cidersomerset]

This is interesting vid I'm listening to in the background and they are talking about
various subjects starting with CERN. It reminded me of the abracadabra article ,
which I just looked up and posted , as they also combine possible inter dimensional
entities and they explain their views in a coherent way. A lot you may have heard
before , but its given with the personal insight of the host's.The narrator is
combining many articles from various researchers and connecting
dots as he sees it.

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CERN & A Short Course In Demon Management

By ickonic on 29th June 2015 New Physics, Satanism, What is Reality?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=HhEwvsgazi0

‘The Hadron Collider now functioning in central Europe could be either the ultimate science
experiment or a catastrophic world destroying danger to all mankind. CERN shows many
faces; a public presentation of competent scientists peeling back levels of knowledge, a
symbolic representation (shown in the short film Symmetry) seemingly describing an
opening of a time/space portal to another dimension and a hidden agenda to harvest
anti-matter for nefarious purposes.

All of these (faces) agendas are likely true. This week WBB looks at all of the purported
purposes and links the activities at CERN with the satanic control system’s agenda for
world domination under a Lucifarian new world order. The satanic agenda and the lucifarian
agenda are shown to be two component parts of the overall plan and how they work
together is explained.

The PC ends with a little advice; hints on demon management, which turns out to be
good advice even for non-demon, infested times.’



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Abracadabra! The power of spells against the forces of evil

By ickonic on 27th June 2015 The Awakening, What is Reality?

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Abracadabra

‘Modern culture is dominated by science and technology, which for the most part
offers an explanation for human behavior and the forces of nature. But it hasn’t
always been like that. Words like “spell”, and “magic” do not have the same effect
on us today as they had in the past; they are greeted with laughing and mockery,
and they are linked to misleading illusionist’s tricks, or – more often – to swindlers’
scams. In the past, the role of the magician and shaman was highly respected in
many cultures since these were people who were thought to control the invisible
forces and interpret god’s will. Moreover, they were able to protect the king’s or the
family’s power, and give stability to an empire.

Before starting with our analysis, we need to clarify the type of approach we
adopted in preparing this, and other arguments, that deal with esoteric knowledge:
it is a serious anthropological study, because magic, just like alchemy, divination,
and complex astronomy, was historically not for entertainment or for pure
amusement. It was part of the esoteric disciplines, for which knowledge wasn’t
accessible to everyone but rather was passed down through generations of its
practitioners.

So, what is the most common spell of all time? Abracadabra, of course!’

Read more: Abracadabra! The power of spells against the forces of evil

http://www.ancient-origins.net/histo...es-evil-003305





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This ones for greybeard , billy ,arunuk and all the other 'Enlightened jocks' on the forum ..LOL

ENYA - Smaointe - SCOTLAND

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IaxjSeIwNUE

[loveoflife]

I came across this related video today, a film about some people who are waking up to the extent of the matrix of manipulation and slavery, that spreads far beyond this planet. http://www.mindthematrix.com/

Our external reality is an expression of what we have collectively created together and we consider this to be REALITY.
Reality in this case means ‘OUR THOUGHTS REALISED’. So, yes, it is a form of reality indeed.
However, a lot of the realities we have created are not in harmony with our true being and planet earth. Western society is a slash and burn reality where what we take is not given back. This will eventually result in the exhaustion of resources of our planet.
The way we treat planet Earth is a result of how we treat ourselves and thus others.
We tend to think in a linear way and not in a cyclical way where what goes out comes back in and vise versa:

A dance between our internal eternal spirit and the physical external realm.

It is like we have become so mesmerized that we believe that the external world is all there is. We hang on to it for dear life and since we know our resources are finite, fear and greed put us into a constant survival mode.

In the mean time our true being is not integrated as much as is healthy for our wellbeing. It is like we walk around like zombies; cleverly reflected by the large amount of zombie movies that have come out over the past 10 years.

The film ‘Mind the Matrix’ looks at all this and with the help of various experts, hands the viewer tools on how to get back to our natural state of inner and outer harmony.

This is where global change will start. With ourselves. Once we have rediscovered the nature of who we really are, this will automatically be reflected outwards. Our ‘reality’ will then be adjusted all by itself.

By remaining focused outwards, we as humans may just get exhausted of trying for change and not seeing any.

Like Mahatma Gandhi said ‘Be the change that you want in the world’.

www.vimeo.com/ondemand/mindthematrix

[Cidersomerset]

I came across this related video today, a film about some people who are waking up
to the extent of the matrix of manipulation and slavery, that spreads far beyond this planet. http://www.mindthematrix.com/

This looks interesting and when she climbs Glastonbury Tor it reminded
me of the Avalon South West meet up we had last year..........

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=kM4v7tMjBrc

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Avalon SW meet-up - we're doing it again! This time with guest Miles Johnston

Thanks Simone and crew for a lovely afternoon discussing various topics
with Miles, before going on a spiritual hike via 'ice cream van' to the top
of the tour...LOL




https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...Miles-Johnston



King Arthur - The River Sings by Enya

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=XsjKAf2Z96s

[greybeard]

I am not in denial of slavery and all that goes with that--it exists.
What is feared by the elite is spiritual awakening--they are not much bothered about being found out in the realm of duality.

The enlightened advice on Kundalini is not to get hooked into thinking that I am the doer--I am special.
In fact to let go of the "gifts" ---that has been done.
There is no intention to use these abilities.

Anything that leads to identification with the story of an individual person is to be let go off.
That's an ego trap
Its an interesting discussion-- I dont dismiss others points of view-- Im solution conscious and as far as I can see the only way out of reincarnation is raising consciousness.
My thoughts are that we are in the school of consciousness and eventually we graduate and there is no need to reincarnate again, reincarnation has served its purpose.

Back to David Icke statement "Only unconditional love is real, all else is illusion."
That would seem to be his direct experience.

Chris

[loveoflife]

Posted by greybeard (here)
I am not in denial of slavery and all that goes with that--it exists.
What is feared by the elite is spiritual awakening--they are not much bothered about being found out in the realm of duality.

The enlightened advice on Kundalini is not to get hooked into thinking that I am the doer--I am special.
In fact to let go of the "gifts" ---that has been done.
There is no intention to use these abilities.

Anything that leads to identification with the story of an individual person is to be let go off.
That's an ego trap
Its an interesting discussion-- I dont dismiss others points of view-- Im solution conscious and as far as I can see the only way out of reincarnation is raising consciousness.
My thoughts are that we are in the school of consciousness and eventually we graduate and there is no need to reincarnate again, reincarnation has served its purpose.

Back to David Icke statement "Only unconditional love is real, all else is illusion."
That would seem to be his direct experience.

Chris

I am finding a mixture of new age deceptions and disinformation mixed in with your philosophical truths.

Tptb would like no spiritual awakening as a their best scenario, though there is an agenda inherent here that wants to manipulate the awakening that is happening with a philosophy of oneness that accepts or ignores evil. It is solipsistic.

It will all be ok in the end as we are all one and eternal while the planet and humanity are going to hell, this philosophy is ignoring the present now reality.

[Carmody]

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
I am not in denial of slavery and all that goes with that--it exists.
What is feared by the elite is spiritual awakening--they are not much bothered about being found out in the realm of duality.

The enlightened advice on Kundalini is not to get hooked into thinking that I am the doer--I am special.
In fact to let go of the "gifts" ---that has been done.
There is no intention to use these abilities.

Anything that leads to identification with the story of an individual person is to be let go off.
That's an ego trap
Its an interesting discussion-- I dont dismiss others points of view-- Im solution conscious and as far as I can see the only way out of reincarnation is raising consciousness.
My thoughts are that we are in the school of consciousness and eventually we graduate and there is no need to reincarnate again, reincarnation has served its purpose.

Back to David Icke statement "Only unconditional love is real, all else is illusion."
That would seem to be his direct experience.

Chris

I am finding a mixture of new age deceptions and disinformation mixed in with your philosophical truths.

Tptb would like no spiritual awakening as a their best scenario, though there is an agenda inherent here that wants to manipulate the awakening that is happening with a philosophy of oneness that accepts or ignores evil. It is solipsistic.

It will all be ok in the end as we are all one and eternal while the planet and humanity are going to hell, this philosophy is ignoring the present now reality.

I think you misinterpret.

The idea being presented, IMO, --is to do both, if you feel you have to.

In Buddhism, any honest search for the truth is valid.

In the idea of 'avoiding the light', and stopping to take a look around, to understand what is going on, well, that would be up to the individual to pursue that aspect.

To spend the time now, informing one's self and then moving forward from that spot.

But, importantly, to not let the the fever, fervor and foam of the idea of that - capture one's min and life wholly, so that nothing is done with the life, except this 'spread the word, beware the light!'.

And, most importantly, you seem to be projecting upon others. Telling them what they are saying, telling them what they are meaning in what they say. Telling that to everyone else.

This is classic NLP-ified projection. I would not call that evolved, or balanced, at all.

There is no simple one post (in a thread) solution, that reads like a 30 second TV advertisement. You seem to be condemning Chris as if he needs to deliver his understanding of the world and this subject in one single small post. A ridiculous position and point.

The reality that seems to be occurring is that there is a rising level of spirituality (for lack of a better word) in humanity,and there will also be a concurrent physicality to that, the spiritual warrior type -in the flesh, so to speak.

Regardless of anyone's given argument, I think that this pairing will arise, and much more will arise, concurrently.

[observer]

More Insight Into Consciousness

Immutable Fact #1: We are all Eternal Consciousness having individual experiences.

However, there is a significant difference between "Eternal Consciousness", "Mass Consciousness" and "Individual Consciousness".

It is said that an individual has the ability to change reality by what that individual focuses upon. I agree with that premise with one caveat:

Each and every day of my adult life I have included a few minutes of meditation dedicated to improving my financial reality. As I grow into my final years, it seems as if my financial reality has been gradually degrading. So much for the idea that we can change our individual realities.

On the other hand, any single individual has no power whatsoever to change the Mass Reality, which is a function of the Mass Consciousness of Humanity. Mass Consciousness is controlled only through the manipulation and control of the Mass Media. This control mechanism has always remained the tool of the Global Elite - all the way back to the first written words.

In quantum physics, atomic structure does not convert to mater until it is observed. Before observation, atomic structure is a Wave Form.

The Mass Consciousness of Humanity is a substructure of this Wave Form existing only in waves of frequencies. This Mass Consciousness of Humanity is separate from Eternal Consciousness as it exists at a different dimensional realm.

In order to manipulate the Mass Consciousness of Humanity it is first necessary to control the thought patterns of humanity. This is done through the manipulation of media.

Any single individual is incapable of controlling the Mass Media. The Global Elite have had their hands on the control levers from behind the curtain of smoke-and-mirrors since the Dawn of Civilization (the first written word).

This is why one will find a "Wizard" of some sort at the darkest circles of secrecy.

Any individual who believes they have found the answers from the study of any text is living in a delusion.

[greybeard]

I agree with and thank you Carmody.
loveoflife you know nothing of me or what I have done.
I have been active in helping others in many ways as have others on this thread without doubt.
Look at my signature and the charity on it.

The Mooji quote I posted sums it up.

Part re posted here


"Similarly, when you drop the 'I'-dentity, the person, unity is found.
Because It is here already. Even the ego is held inside the great unity actually.
Even disharmony is part of the great harmony.
But few see or understands this.
Ego has a very important part in the play of life.
The consciousness has to taste ego until it becomes tired of its limitations.
When consciousness become tired of ego, e-goes and He remains."

So there is the middle way.
Nothing is dismissed out of hand---there is solution consciousness.

Chris

[Carmody]

Another great problem, is that when I'm standing in the line-up at the supermarket, and there are maybe +100-150 people within my area of sight, I realize the median of intelligence is an IQ of 100.

And then ... the sinking feeling/understanding that it is the median .....and the percentage below that IQ median is just as great as the number above.

And that they are almost 100%, to a person, unconscious and unrealized, like that of cows. And I think to myself, 'we're in a lot of trouble'.

Or , the greater reality of it... which is...we always were unconscious... and I'm now, simply, outside of that 'reality bubble' ....and can easily catch the reflection of it, on a myriad of levels, so the feeling and sighting of it is distinct, sharp, very clear.

When I walk through streets and halls and offices of the local university.... the people are sharper, quicker, but no less unconscious. All the students, professors, the theorists, the scientists, all of them, no less unconscious -for all of their quick wit, they remain the same.

This leads one to the consensus reality aspect and the wave-particle quantum formation aspects of 'reality'.

If one thinks that this sort of discussion is digressing from the subject of the thread, I say no, it is descriptive of involved mechanisms, which can be critical in discernment of what exactly is going on.

[Hervé]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Loveoflife All the information about Soul catching net is very second hand.
No one on the thread is claiming personal experience of remembering being captured as far as I can see..
[...]

Maybe because many members did so on numerous other threads and have been dismissed or not taken into account in the face of a barrage of recited quotes from various "wise men."

A good start could be this thread along with the poster's books: MATRIX REVEALED -- Analysis & Solutions

I often refer to one of the account recounted in one of the book, and that's the experience of someone driving down a road, being abducted and then realizing being at a distance and experiencing both a body driving a car down a road, the abduction and abuse on a craft along with the awareness of watching it all from a distance...

Very few people, currently, experience the third stage of experiencing it all from a "Zero-point" and when they do, like Chris, they very often omit the two other stages.

A great deal more, nowadays, do recall experiences of the second stage and are coming out with their abduction experiences and have a hard time reconciling being tortured on a space craft while their body sleeps in bed and, for some reasons, cannot extract themselves from that abducted body on that space craft to reach the "Zero-point" observation mode. That means that, for some reasons "they" are tied to that abducted body hook, line and sinker! "Captured," that is, as a practical matter of fact.

Then, there is the vast majority of us struggling with the driving of a car on a road and being totally oblivious that a good part of themselves is being abducted and tortured on a space/dimensional craft... never mind being totally unaware of the possibility of a "Zero-point" state of observation which encompasses everything.

The end result is that all these three different groups of state of consciousness have a tendency to make fun of the others and/or argue with them... whereas all three are right in their own mind and experience...

Hope this makes some sense to some of you?

The problem of "captured" souls is that, for all practical matters, too many are indeed in such a state -- for whatever reasons; be it self hypnosis or conned into believing it, the practical end result is they ARE captured and tied hook, line and sinker to that abductable, dimensional body! ... and as one of Simon Parkes' mentors mentioned to him: "They are not supposed to remember!"

The way out?

There is one line of investigation which could lead to interesting realizations:

Who is looking at those pictures, memories, experiences? ... and... from where?

Even Chris thinks something else is looking through his eyes ... although that could be some walk-in too...

Ps On investigation I can see that what has looked through my eyes remains unchanged regardless of what is witnessed.