Here and Now...What's Happening?

[ulli]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by ulli (here)

Posted by Carmody (here)
It may be a near miss in a nearby timeline, or on this one..but the democratic candidate had better watch out today. My dreams are never wrong.

But that is what happens when one has a quadruple conjunction and a triple conjunction in one's birth chart. The nature of time and dimensional flow, in this spot, in this place...is ingrained in the given incarnate.

Speaking about them can change the outcome, which is why people tend to not believe those who see through time. It's the wave particle paradox, in temporal dimensional vision sense. Most seriously, exactly that.

If you look at a particle, it becomes fixed on one spot. If it is unobserved, it is in two places at once. Thus, to speak about recall in the timeless sense, out of time and across timelines, or what have you, is to fix it into one spot and make it real, or to steer past and around it, depending on the type of projection of reality.

As for such a scenario as is considered here, things are changing ---due to Bernie Sanders. Big time.

To 'fix' a situation for Jebb-siders (Teakochbaggerheads) warmonger black ops secret society types, and to commit an act that solves multiple problems in one shot (the mark of the hidden hand), they need to have the population fixate on someone besides the demo candidate and the associated Bernie directed vote bleed out from their support base... and then rile up their support base to reject Sanders with a bunch of filthy lying crap words and promises (the norm).... which is easy to do if just Sanders remains as a serious threat to their stealing the vote.

Thinking about it gives it some direction,
speaking it out loud even more so,
and writing it down is better still.

And discussing it as a group, with a unified vision,
means the issue will have the desired outcome.
Especially if all the members of that group are of higher consciousness,
beyond all duality, within themselves.
This is how it all works.
And this is what is coming under constant attack here, on this forum,
and on this thread, when it is infiltrated by people with an opposing,
and disunifying and self-centered agenda.

I am grateful to Bill for his clarification above of this serious matter.

And to you, Carmody, as always, for showing us the nitty gritty workings of these dynamics.

Thank you Ulli. And to demonstrate, a contrario, how a breakaway site, born out of divisiveness, ultimately does not prosper, posting at TOT is down to a trickle, from a mere dozen members or so at any one time. Here is a screenshot from just now.

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...and also that the promises of unlimited freedom of expression often turn out to deliver an opposite reality.

Our mods, on the other hand, have shown that sticking to rules that all agree on is actually keeping it all flowing.

[Carmody]

Not all seekers of truth and carriers of society and cultures, are violently opinionated blowhards.

As a matter of fact, the opposite is true.

When you have a mosh pit for a 'freedom of behavior and act' space, all you get is a mosh pit. where a small group dominate the other potential members and contributors, dominate with their extremist behaviors and acts. this does not solve anything. In fact, it moves in the opposite direction.

Note that most of society, even those in the room, those who wish to contribute, and do, just like a dance scene/club...most of those people stay far away from the given mosh pit.

Helping a society and culture shift itself involves the whole mass, not a few who are in extremis. The extremes are the problem and engaging them is the problem. It violates the sanctity and existence of the general mass and bounces off of the masses -as if the extremism, the outlier... did not exist.

The reality is that the extremism of the 'anything goes --mosh pit ruled forums' is not going to engage the requisite people/masses.... and to do that, to engage the larger group.. a forum must have rules involving sense and sensibility.

History has taught us that this would be case of a closed forum, with moderation, and ejecting of misbehaving people, those who disturb the peace. quiet is required for people to think,and to absorb and to change. The violence in communication engages only the animal in humans which is already foaming at the mouth (animal monkey talk) and it brings nothing new to the conversation, and no increase to the numbers of the aware.

People are not aware that they are driven in their thinking and thought formation by the animal and body imperatives. People don't understand this as their body's safety and immediate future are functional in an environment... where they don't need to be aware of this wiring and thought formation reality.

A forum with heavy negative emotional thrusts does nothing for enlightenment of the masses, it does nothing for the shifting of society and culture, for all these various reasons, and more. The most effective writers in the alternative field are those who delivery highly stressing material in a clear unemotional manner. Like Jim Marrs, for example.

Thus, again, the clarity in the logic of what a human is at this time, on this planet.... is that closed moderated forums, like this one, are the best bet for helping humanity, reaching people, engaging people... helping them reach new plateaus in understanding what this world and this reality actually is. The current state of the reactive psychology and physiology of humanity... demands it be of this form.

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Carmody (here)
...History has taught us that this would be case of a closed forum, with moderation, and ejecting of misbehaving people, those who disturb the peace. quiet is required for people to think,and to absorb and to change. The violence in communication engages only the animal in humans

Great post, Carmody. All that crackle noise gets old really quick. I’m appreciative of when the mods and forum members together help each of us to discover blind spots. We all gain from a supportive environment. One to think, and to absorb and to change.

When there’s a rinse and repeat behavior one would benefit if they step back to see the pattern. Break free of it. Or at least be honest with yourself.

See that the pay-off is a negative, lonely one. Look around. If the same behavior is done with ever-changing groups or friends, note that people catch on. The game gets old right-quick.

Be kind to yourself. Be a quick study. Grow. Move beyond. Shake it off. Do not consent like you wouldn’t consent to a mind program, a tag or an implant. Shake it off.

Growth is willingness to let go of what worked yesterday and see it’s an anchor today. Hitch a ride on to wisdom path.

With heart,
RunningDeer<3

Posted by Carmody (here)
Not all seekers of truth and carriers of society and cultures, are violently opinionated blowhards.

As a matter of fact, the opposite is true.

When you have a mosh pit for a 'freedom of behavior and act' space, all you get is a mosh pit. where a small group dominate the other potential members and contributors, dominate with their extremist behaviors and acts. this does not solve anything. In fact, it moves in the opposite direction.

Note that most of society, even those in the room, those who wish to contribute, and do, just like a dance scene/club...most of those people stay far away from the given mosh pit.

Helping a society and culture shift itself involves the whole mass, not a few who are in extremis. The extremes are the problem and engaging them is the problem. It violates the sanctity and existence of the general mass and bounces off of the masses -as if the extremism, the outlier... did not exist.

The reality is that the extremism of the 'anything goes --mosh pit ruled forums' is not going to engage the requisite people/masses.... and to do that, to engage the larger group.. a forum must have rules involving sense and sensibility.

History has taught us that this would be case of a closed forum, with moderation, and ejecting of misbehaving people, those who disturb the peace. quiet is required for people to think,and to absorb and to change. The violence in communication engages only the animal in humans which is already foaming at the mouth (animal monkey talk) and it brings nothing new to the conversation, and no increase to the numbers of the aware.

People are not aware that they are driven in their thinking and thought formation by the animal and body imperatives. People don't understand this as their body's safety and immediate future are functional in an environment... where they don't need to be aware of this wiring and thought formation reality.

A forum with heavy negative emotional thrusts does nothing for enlightenment of the masses, it does nothing for the shifting of society and culture, for all these various reasons, and more. The most effective writers in the alternative field are those who delivery highly stressing material in a clear unemotional manner. Like Jim Marrs, for example.

Thus, again, the clarity in the logic of what a human is at this time, on this planet.... is that closed moderated forums, like this one, are the best bet for helping humanity, reaching people, engaging people... helping them reach new plateaus in understanding what this world and this reality actually is. The current state of the reactive psychology and physiology of humanity... demands it be of this form.

[genevieve]

Dear Here-And-Nowers--

My reaction to Natalie's posts very early on was the strong desire to slap her upside the head. Later on--but rather quickly--I wanted to drop-kick her off the forum.

The extremely high level of patience and loving support given to Natalie on this thread blew my mind, and the moderators' continuing high level of loving patience also blows my mind.

I don't post much, but I want to tell you that I have lots of love and respect for you all and follow this thread and your musings and doings with great interest and quiet support.

I thank my lucky stars to have found you. Bless you all.

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

[Violet]

Here and now, sundaysluggish, sun hiding, neighbour just started drilling. Really appreciate him respecting our kind request not to start too early in the weekends. Job interview ahead. Soup gear ready in the kitchen, no feel a like it. Finally temperatures dropped. And wondering about the distance of Jesus' feet from the cross to the earth.

[Limor Wolf]

Hello Carmody and all ~ village life seems to has it's great strength in the human interactions, the friendship, the perceptions and sharing of the village people. It is an appreciated place of exchange and support and I enjoy peeping into it. I would like to share something as well, acknowledging the openess and acceptance of the mature souls participating.

Within the 'freedon of behaviour and act' space, there is this special category that is quite difficult to talk about, it is not known and can not so much be detected or understood if fortunately the act of severe trauma did not visit one's life. It must not be easy to watch (or recieve) a volcano of emotions overtaking a person and not being quite sure where it comes from.. so inappropriately acted, so out of place, and with the knowledge that the person missed an opportunity to work on themselves.. (aren't we all here for that purpose as well..?)

In previous months to a year I happened to observe on this forum, the deliberate activation of a certain member by another (quite popular) member who is not with us anymore, with percise trigerring to activate the desired response, while both the reciever and the rest of the 'audience' are not aware to the 'job' well done, but the chain of reactions begins from there..

Sometimes misbehaving has it's roots at different places.. but the result makes someone else very happy.




Many blessings ~

Limor

[Ernie Nemeth]

I see it's not always fun to part of the in crowd. I see why I don't go there. Too messy, too many expectations. Not enough of me to go around.

Glad its all sorted out anyway.

Was wondering why there were so few posts these last few weeks. Now I know. Thanks.

ToT? Don't know what that stands for - and I think I should. The One Truth! I know that site. Visited once. It was not Avalon so I did not go back. Even though there were people there whom I respect and admire - I did not feel safe there.

At least here we are protected.

It's the leadership, you know?, that makes all the difference.

Bill is one heck of a leader - and he has a sterling cast of moderators to back him up and make him look good!

That's why I'm here and keep coming back. I may not be part of the inner circle but I know they are there and if ever I need something truly important, I know I would be heard and helped.
That's more than my own family is willing to do. Avalon is more my family than my family.

But they treat me the same. So that part is on me, I know.

[Sierra]

Carmody, RunningDeer, Genevieve (and Limor on more than one thread, lol):

Thank you for your clarity. It has shed light with some internal struggles I have, being a mod. I begin to realize my animal feelings don't matter in a way. Trolls/Disinfo agents need to be confronted, and if they confirm by their response, they are trolls/disinfo/persistence in ignorance, shown the door.

Posted by Carmody (here)
Helping a society and culture shift itself involves the whole mass, not a few who are in extremis. The extremes are the problem and engaging them is the problem. It violates the sanctity and existence of the general mass and bounces off of the masses -as if the extremism, the outlier... did not exist.

Posted by Carmody (here)
History has taught us that this would be [the] case of a closed forum, with moderation, and ejecting of misbehaving people, those who disturb the peace. quiet is required for people to think,and to absorb and to change. The violence in communication...

Posted by Carmody (here)
... and it brings nothing new to the conversation, and no increase to the numbers of the aware.

There is a need for moderation. It is what it is. So... My gut knew, and now my mind understands, better, what my animal gut/nature does, and why. I also see what my goal is in future dealings with trolls: dispassion.

Posted by RunningDeer
Be kind to yourself. Be a quick study. Grow. Move beyond. Shake it off. Do not consent like you wouldn’t consent to a mind program, a tag or an implant. Shake it off.

Growth is willingness to let go of what worked yesterday and see it’s an anchor today. Hitch a ride on to wisdom path.

I admire your dispassion.
And clarity in as few words as I've ever seen, lol.

Posted by genevieve (here)
Dear Here-And-Nowers--

My reaction to Natalie's posts very early on was the strong desire to slap her upside the head. Later on--but rather quickly--I wanted to drop-kick her off the forum.

The extremely high level of patience and loving support given to Natalie on this thread blew my mind, and the moderators' continuing high level of loving patience also blows my mind.

I don't post much, but I want to tell you that I have lots of love and respect for you all and follow this thread and your musings and doings with great interest and quiet support.

I thank my lucky stars to have found you. Bless you all.

Peace Love Joy & Harmony,
genevieve

I thank my lucky stars as well.

It is such a balancing act, between loving support, and blocking the verbally violent or untruthful, who as Limor points out, are people deserving of kindness too.

Apologetically, I am a work in progress. I thank you all.

[ThePythonicCow]

Posted by enfoldedblue (here)
As long as i dont hear otherwise i'll keep everyone updated.
LOVE ALLways,c

I replied, just now, belatedly, here. Please do keep us updated - thanks!

[ulli]

Melinda shared this video on Wade Frazier's thread (A Healed Planet)
Too good not to give it more exposure

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IZOedbGd64E

[Carmody]

Makes me think of David Wingrove.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chung_...ovel_series%29

[Nat_Lee]

Posted by ulli (here)
Melinda ahared this video on Wade Frazier's thread (A Healed Planet)
Too good not to give it more exposure

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IZOedbGd64E

WOW ! tHIS IS SOOOOOOOOOO amazinG !!!
Just finish eating Perogies and salad Mmmmm ...
This vid came just at the right time and gave me a smile !
Have a great evening to all of you !

[Flash]

I am happy it comes from Wade Frazier thread, the intent is probably positive, because this looks very much like a floating city. And this is what I read about the intent of the Highest Cabal, following The Ruiner posts on his blog

Death of the west, rise of the east. No more needs to be said on this. Watch it happen. Most are begging for it. The grass is always greener...

Replacing the natural with artificial. Artificial will then become virtual. Hoping to create a new hologram for the mind to live within. They don't need the body for their goals.

They do recognize they cannot hold dominion over her, and so the mission is to get us floating.

Posted by ulli (here)
Melinda shared this video on Wade Frazier's thread (A Healed Planet)
Too good not to give it more exposure

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IZOedbGd64E

[araucaria]

Posted by Flash (here)
I am happy it comes from Wade Frazier thread, the intent is probably positive, because this looks very much like a floating city. And this is what I read about the intent of the Highest Cabal, following The Ruiner posts on his blog

Death of the west, rise of the east. No more needs to be said on this. Watch it happen. Most are begging for it. The grass is always greener...

Replacing the natural with artificial. Artificial will then become virtual. Hoping to create a new hologram for the mind to live within. They don't need the body for their goals.

They do recognize they cannot hold dominion over her, and so the mission is to get us floating.

Posted by ulli (here)
Melinda shared this video on Wade Frazier's thread (A Healed Planet)
Too good not to give it more exposure

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=IZOedbGd64E

I’m afraid I agree with the negative comments. This may be a vast improvement on the typical high-rise, but that is as far as it goes. The building itself is made to look alive: that’s what the word ‘animation’ means. On the other hand the greenery is made to look pretty dead. Try and picture all the various aspects of our communing with nature, often rather humdrum and hands-on: kids kicking a football, young lovers sitting together, householders hanging out washing, picking fruit off trees, strawberries or vegetables or roses out of a bed, walking up a mountain, by a river or along the coast., taking in unusual smells, getting your feet and hands muddy, skiing through snow or singing in the rain. This place would make a nice garden for an old people’s home or a psychiatric hospital, or for office workers to eat a sandwich.

I much prefer the ‘half an acre and a cow’ model. They say the entire population could find space in Texas. There is plenty of space around the globe for everyone to live on terra firma if they so wish. Let China take over from America and do bigger and better if they can, but let them do it without the rest of us. America has shown how to do bigger than old Europe and failed to do better. Europe hasn’t disappeared for all that, and nor will America. After China, there is no bigger domino to take this little game and there are by now so many smaller dominoes lined up to put an end to this nonsense. We are reaching the stage where the tiniest domino will be sufficient to collapse the entire edifice.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=y97rBdSYbkg

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post969181

[araucaria]

Wow, the mainstream press is sounding more and more like a conspiracy forum:

Yet it’s important not to respond with our own projection and imagine humanity in people who feel none. Your ruling class don’t care about what happens to you.

They don’t care about things like education. They feel there needs to be enough provision so that prostitutes are numerate enough to find hotel rooms, and that’s it.

This isn’t austerity; it’s a transfer of assets from public to private ownership. One of the main advantages of the word “austerity” is that it suggests a gradual process, when, in reality, we are caught under the wheels of a chariot.

We live in a society that doesn’t even care to address the fact that the planet is dying.

This is a budget that will result in people with disabilities dying, not as an unfortunate side-effect, but as a direct consequence of a system that is empirically indifferent to life.

Being on a yacht is, at best, like being in a Premier Inn during an earthquake. So why is it an entrance requirement for the super-rich? Because it provides a floating crime scene. You and your jaded friends can now take your parties into international waters. You can stop off at the Channel Islands and take onboard a consignment of orphans who will afterwards be thrown into the giant beak-like mouths of the blasphemous undersea deities that you all worship.

Later, the boat rocks slightly and you assume that the body has been dropped overboard and something has risen to feed on it.

You step out on to the deck, where there is an eerie, humid calm. There is a thought in the heart of every addict. It is universal, but we all think it’s unique to just us. It is: “I am no damn good.” Every rich person has a secret thought at their centre too, and now that I think about it the two must be related. You reach for it here for comfort. It is: “The next thing I get will make me happy.”

Beneath the boat, and stretching out for miles on every side, there floats the monstrous eye of Ry’lleth, the Great UnMaker. The eye is obscene, unblinking, and the unique black of arterial blood. You would have said, if you didn’t know better, that it regarded you with something like pity.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...orne-austerity

[ulli]

Posted by araucaria (here)
Wow, the mainstream press is sounding more and more like a conspiracy forum:

Yet it’s important not to respond with our own projection and imagine humanity in people who feel none. Your ruling class don’t care about what happens to you.

They don’t care about things like education. They feel there needs to be enough provision so that prostitutes are numerate enough to find hotel rooms, and that’s it.

This isn’t austerity; it’s a transfer of assets from public to private ownership. One of the main advantages of the word “austerity” is that it suggests a gradual process, when, in reality, we are caught under the wheels of a chariot.

We live in a society that doesn’t even care to address the fact that the planet is dying.

This is a budget that will result in people with disabilities dying, not as an unfortunate side-effect, but as a direct consequence of a system that is empirically indifferent to life.

Being on a yacht is, at best, like being in a Premier Inn during an earthquake. So why is it an entrance requirement for the super-rich? Because it provides a floating crime scene. You and your jaded friends can now take your parties into international waters. You can stop off at the Channel Islands and take onboard a consignment of orphans who will afterwards be thrown into the giant beak-like mouths of the blasphemous undersea deities that you all worship.

Later, the boat rocks slightly and you assume that the body has been dropped overboard and something has risen to feed on it.

You step out on to the deck, where there is an eerie, humid calm. There is a thought in the heart of every addict. It is universal, but we all think it’s unique to just us. It is: “I am no damn good.” Every rich person has a secret thought at their centre too, and now that I think about it the two must be related. You reach for it here for comfort. It is: “The next thing I get will make me happy.”

Beneath the boat, and stretching out for miles on every side, there floats the monstrous eye of Ry’lleth, the Great UnMaker. The eye is obscene, unblinking, and the unique black of arterial blood. You would have said, if you didn’t know better, that it regarded you with something like pity.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...orne-austerity

Agreed. They've just summed up rather poetically everything we have been saying here on thousands of thread.
Let's hope there will be a trickle down effect.

[dan33]

Where's the pizza?!!









"It's raining cats and dogs"

From 11:29 to 12:28

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eXeoE7thrmA

"Adelaide, amore mio, in the next election vote Communist Party".
From 17:31 to 18:19.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eXeoE7thrmA

[The Crone]

As far as "Adelaide, amore mio, in the next election vote Communist Party" -- I am old enough to remember the half dozen or more bombings that our CIA-repressed "free press" explained had been done by the Commies in Italy.

Then during the Church hearings in the Congress, it came out that it was our own CIA behind the bombings. (And no apologies at all offered to those who died on account of these.)

[Violet]

Rainbow overflow, not complaining, more of that, I says yes.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=N4LmISp0XW8

[Playdo of Ataraxas]

Posted by Carmody (here)
Not all seekers of truth and carriers of society and cultures, are violently opinionated blowhards.

As a matter of fact, the opposite is true.

When you have a mosh pit for a 'freedom of behavior and act' space, all you get is a mosh pit. where a small group dominate the other potential members and contributors, dominate with their extremist behaviors and acts. this does not solve anything. In fact, it moves in the opposite direction.

Note that most of society, even those in the room, those who wish to contribute, and do, just like a dance scene/club...most of those people stay far away from the given mosh pit.

Helping a society and culture shift itself involves the whole mass, not a few who are in extremis. The extremes are the problem and engaging them is the problem. It violates the sanctity and existence of the general mass and bounces off of the masses -as if the extremism, the outlier... did not exist.

The reality is that the extremism of the 'anything goes --mosh pit ruled forums' is not going to engage the requisite people/masses.... and to do that, to engage the larger group.. a forum must have rules involving sense and sensibility.

History has taught us that this would be case of a closed forum, with moderation, and ejecting of misbehaving people, those who disturb the peace. quiet is required for people to think,and to absorb and to change. The violence in communication engages only the animal in humans which is already foaming at the mouth (animal monkey talk) and it brings nothing new to the conversation, and no increase to the numbers of the aware.

People are not aware that they are driven in their thinking and thought formation by the animal and body imperatives. People don't understand this as their body's safety and immediate future are functional in an environment... where they don't need to be aware of this wiring and thought formation reality.

A forum with heavy negative emotional thrusts does nothing for enlightenment of the masses, it does nothing for the shifting of society and culture, for all these various reasons, and more. The most effective writers in the alternative field are those who delivery highly stressing material in a clear unemotional manner. Like Jim Marrs, for example.

Thus, again, the clarity in the logic of what a human is at this time, on this planet.... is that closed moderated forums, like this one, are the best bet for helping humanity, reaching people, engaging people... helping them reach new plateaus in understanding what this world and this reality actually is. The current state of the reactive psychology and physiology of humanity... demands it be of this form.

Thanks for the post Carmody. To make cooperative communication even more difficult over the forum medium is the lack of face to face communication. It's too easy to misunderstand another when tone and visual cues of the utterance are not part of the communication, even when there is no intended slight. The forum medium lends itself to egregious in-adherence to the cooperative principle of communication as laid forth by the four Gricean maxims of successful communication.

http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/dravling/grice.html
1.The maxim of quantity, where one tries to be as informative as one possibly can, and gives as much information as is needed, and no more.
2.The maxim of quality, where one tries to be truthful, and does not give information that is false or that is not supported by evidence.
3.The maxim of relation, where one tries to be relevant, and says things that are pertinent to the discussion.
4. The maxim of manner, when one tries to be as clear, as brief, and as orderly as one can in what one says, and where one avoids obscurity and ambiguity.

I enjoy your exactitude, directness and informativeness of communication on a consistent basis. It has been most beneficial for me. I will say that it would be, for me, most difficult to moderate those whose communications are laden with many possible interpretations and meanings. Whether a mis/disinformed, false, irrelevant or ambiguous meaning was intended or not, via this communicative medium the negative possibility of an unsuccessful utterance is latent, and, therefore, is, if another thinks such. That is precisely one reason why I have not read Aleister Crowley in a decade, and why I do not engage in a lot of discourse on the forum. The risk of unsuccessful communication is high. It is most difficult to adhere to the maxims on a forum.