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    Quote Posted by M0JFK (here)
    ...It could also be a project to really discredit the alternative community...see, look, these alternative nuts also think the Earth is flat.
    That was my first thought when I checked out the video on the OP. Btw, I'm not saying that I think it was the intent of the OP or its author, please note.

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    We've been debating this on the icke forum for a long time. This was the most relevant post:

    Quote Posted by artardfiesta
    there was a recent scientific study that came out which said false stories and theories flooded the internet over the past 6 months to research the gullibility of conspiracy theorists:

    http://www.salon.com/2015/02/24/scie...acy_theorists/

    The timeline for this study coincides with the momentum of the flat earth theory which came out nov 2014 by eric dubay. it also coincides with the emergence of nibiru speculation.

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    Just what is the truth at the end of the day? I have always said that the only truth is what you experiance yourself on the day. After that your information is second hand and then trust comes into play. You have to trust that the person handing off the info does not have a agenda and is in fact telling you porkies. I always view every subject with a view that this maybe the case. Fool me once...shame on you BUT fool me twice...shame on me. Not only that every subject can have a argument and a counter argument. Like I said above only YOUR experiance on the day itself is the real truth.

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    I only continue to add to this post subject to draw attention to these points:

    Do you hold any faith in the concept of a Holographic Universe?
    Of matter only being atoms revolving around each other forming the Illusion of solids!
    Solids giving the Illusion of movement!
    Brain receiving, scrambling and then forming a concept of life to live in, a world it can comprehend and exist it!
    Light and dark, shadows and perspective to give visual 3D shape!

    There is no round, no square, no flat, the shape we are living in is every-thing, every-where, every-when, all only vibration? well 1 atom being every where at the same time! We make the shapes to suite our need!

    Funny thing being we no need any of it to see the real shape of it all!

    That is what I think of when I see the question 'A Flat Earth not Round ...?'
    I like that question
    I'm a simple easy going guy that is very upset/sad with the worlds hidden controllers!
    We need LEADERS who bat from the HEART!
    Rise up above them Dark evil doers, not within anger but with LOVE

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    Default Re: A Flat Earth not Round ...?

    These two right here:

    Quote Posted by M0JFK (here)
    It could also be a project to really discredit the alternative community...see, look, these alternative nuts also think the Earth is flat.
    Quote Posted by Omniverse (here)
    Quote Posted by artardfiesta
    there was a recent scientific study that came out which said false stories and theories flooded the internet over the past 6 months to research the gullibility of conspiracy theorists:

    http://www.salon.com/2015/02/24/scie...acy_theorists/

    The timeline for this study coincides with the momentum of the flat earth theory which came out nov 2014 by eric dubay. it also coincides with the emergence of nibiru speculation.
    YUP!

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    Quote Posted by M0JFK (here)
    It could also be a project to really discredit the alternative community...see, look, these alternative nuts also think the Earth is flat.
    I actually wrote an article highlighting this recently.

    Snip from article:
    Quote Posted by Published July 5th 2015 - Omnisense's Blog
    ...
    The names of the operations are just made up by me. These are just educated guesses of psy ops after knowing these sources well.

    Operation Copernicus
    Operation Structure: Promote Flat Earth Ideology
    Operation Objective: To Assassinate the Credibility of the Growing Truth Movement
    Operation Objective: To Assassinate the Potency of Believers from Helping Wake People Up.
    Operation Objective: To get people to turn off to conspiracy by the psychological mechanics of "Guilt by Association."
    Operation Agents: Mind Control Assets Carry Out Majority of Operation
    Source Link: http://omnisense.blogspot.com/2015/0...es-part-1.html

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    I posted this a while back. He makes some strong points.
    I agree this seems silly talking about this. But so does talking about reptilian and 8 foot mantis beings.
    Do we have any hard proof to show.

    I would like to know if any of these points in this interview have been debunked.
    For one example why are airlines not allowed to make flights across Antarctica?
    Does NASA Show any "real" photos of earth from space?

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    Quote I would personally like this to be the last flat earth post ever made on Avalon.

    Here's how to find the others:
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Aprojecta...2flat+earth%22

    So unintelligent. All those flat planets out there, and somehow, ever since the invention of the telescope hundreds of years ago (and space probes with cameras!) we always see each of them from the exact top down. Please get smarter!
    Sorry to hear that Bill, it is your forum so you have all the rights but when this forum has restrict subjects that we can not discuss about it , in an old style repression, I think it is time for me to leave , thank you everyone for everything.

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    That's not what Bill said. He made a personal request, nothing more. And since none of us would be on this forum if it weren't for him, I think his request should be honored.
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    Quote Posted by M0JFK (here)
    And according to Eric Dollard (and a fellow radio amateur) You can only see the sun within a planets envelope and that you can not see the sun or the stars in outer space. I would think that if and it is a big "IF" the FE movement is correct and that we are in some simulated enviroment then almost 90% of what is on Avalon is nearly all fake. Makes you think does it not? After all are not some well respected scientist these days not saying we live in a hologram? I am open on this subject and I think the FE put forward some credible evidence. It could also be a project to really discredit the alternative community...see, look, these alternative nuts also think the Earth is flat.
    So far, it has been easy to see the stars while in a 'planetary envelope', ie the sun's sphere of influence.

    In the case of the 'New horizons' spacecraft that just went past Pluto, we have an OPTICAL imaging system (with circa 2006 technology). It apparently has enough energy and/or velocity to escape the sun's gravity well.
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    Quote Posted by Azt (here)
    Quote I would personally like this to be the last flat earth post ever made on Avalon.

    Here's how to find the others:
    http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site%3Aprojecta...2flat+earth%22

    So unintelligent. All those flat planets out there, and somehow, ever since the invention of the telescope hundreds of years ago (and space probes with cameras!) we always see each of them from the exact top down. Please get smarter!
    Sorry to hear that Bill, it is your forum so you have all the rights but when this forum has restrict subjects that we can not discuss about it , in an old style repression, I think it is time for me to leave , thank you everyone for everything.

    Peace

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    Quote Posted by aviators (here)
    I posted this a while back. He makes some strong points.
    I agree this seems silly talking about this. But so does talking about reptilian and 8 foot mantis beings.
    Do we have any hard proof to show.
    There is what I'd call logical proof of a spherical earth among other evidences. Things like pretty much every celestial body we see is spherical, time zones, the sun illuminating half of the earth while the other half is in shadows, and countless other things that will lead any reasonable person to conclude the earth is a sphere.
    Quote I would like to know if any of these points in this interview have been debunked.
    Many of the flat earth points are not conveying the earth is flat, just anomalies and illusions that align with a flat earth theory.

    Quote For one example why are airlines not allowed to make flights across Antarctica?
    Probably because there is a secret space program base (or several) there.

    Quote Does NASA Show any "real" photos of earth from space?
    The reason(IMHO) they do not give much real content of earth from space is the sheer amount of extraterrestrial craft in space, as seen from this intercepted NASA feed:

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    Default Re: A Flat Earth not Round ...?

    The Earth is flat if you can only think in two dimensions. We should not ridicule those who are dimensionally challenged.

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    I have not studied seriously on this flat earth theory. A two hour video is too much for me, especially when the speaker is rambling too much in the beginning. I have a question for its proponents,

    If the earth is flat and infinite, why have we not discovered more land and indigenous peoples for centuries? Why have we not got a bigger map?

    The reason that ancient flat earth theory stood for so long was that mankind was making new land discoveries all the time, adding to the illusion of an infinite earth.

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    please dont tarnish the quality of this forum by discussing these primitive ideas. i like this place because it is respectable go else where with your non sense. this is directed to all flat earth believing apes

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    Quote Posted by syrwong (here)
    I have not studied seriously on this flat earth theory. A two hour video is too much for me, especially when the speaker is rambling too much in the beginning. I have a question for its proponents,

    If the earth is flat and infinite, why have we not discovered more land and indigenous peoples for centuries? Why have we not got a bigger map?

    The reason that ancient flat earth theory stood for so long was that mankind was making new land discoveries all the time, adding to the illusion of an infinite earth.
    The infinite flat earth is just speculation, there is no proof for that.

    It is interesting to note how much disinformation there is around this subject, there are many ridiculous speculative theories out there the purpose of which is to discredit the concept of a flat earth, and it works. Its a minefield with much controlled opposition.

    Why so much disinformation and controlled opposition on something that many consider ludicrous and dismiss offhand?

    There is also some good evidence based on scientific experiments, maths and just plain observation, also there are connections to Freemasonry, this I find interesting.

    I do wonder what scientists would have come up with about the universe if they had based their calculations on a flat earth model.

    Quote Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.
    Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934
    US (Serbian-born) electrical inventor (1857 - 1943)
    Then there is the concept of intelligent design to consider, that we are not just some accident, that this reality is a product of some greater beings beyond our comprehension as we are to an ant and that Earth does have some special purpose in the universe more than just a random event. Are we to assume that all the many alien races that many speak of, with no concrete proof i might add, are also the product of an accident. It is the science that gives us the theory of gravity (yes still just a theory, along with evolution), and the big bang that goes along with a ball earth model.

    Are they those who have the power to and ability to engineer a false matrix reality and manipulate every area of our lives. Still we are able to wake up and see beyond the illusions conditioned into us from birth. I have many more questions than answers and answers when they do come just raise more questions.

    I still remain a sceptic with an open mind.

    If we just unthinkingly accept or deny without question what we are told about reality then that is a limitation that seals our fate and rules out infinite possibility.

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    As an afterthought, we have had the spherical earth theory for 500 years, ( i call it a theory after having discovered that there are anomalies in this model) and now at an unprecedented epoch in history where the truth about much is being revealed and many lies uncovered we are being presented with a flat earth theory and being told that the ancients were again correct.

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    Quote Posted by loveoflife (here)
    As an afterthought, we have had the spherical earth theory for 500 years, ( i call it a theory after having discovered that there are anomalies in this model) and now at an unprecedented epoch in history where the truth about much is being revealed and many lies uncovered we are being presented with a flat earth theory and being told that the ancients were again correct.
    A spherical earth back in ancient times is kind of like how ET life is now. The most in the know people thought the earth was a sphere. So not all the 'ancients' thought the world was flat.

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    Quote Posted by Omniverse (here)
    Quote Posted by loveoflife (here)
    As an afterthought, we have had the spherical earth theory for 500 years, ( i call it a theory after having discovered that there are anomalies in this model) and now at an unprecedented epoch in history where the truth about much is being revealed and many lies uncovered we are being presented with a flat earth theory and being told that the ancients were again correct.
    A spherical earth back in ancient times is kind of like how ET life is now. The most in the know people thought the earth was a sphere. So not all the 'ancients' thought the world was flat.
    Do you have any sources for what you say about ancients?

    Here is one regarding ancient beliefs. There are an overwhelming amount of references to ET's from many ancient texts and myths of many indigenous cultures, some of whom do appear to be more advanced than we are today.



    This link also goes into ancient beliefs with references to Freemasons. Pythagoras has been considered the first Freemason.

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    This thread got me thinking again so i went looking for more on ancient flat earth beliefs, there is virtually nothing to be found, not surprising i suppose.

    I found this interesting comment regarding quantum theory and the holographic universe here. http://www.zengardner.com/2nd-biggest-conspiracy/

    Quote As David Icke, the late Michael Talbot (who wrote The Holographic Universe), some Western scientists and many others have said, the world is a giant hologram, that looks, feels, smells, tastes and seems like something solid, but is actually mostly empty space made from energy vibrating at a slow rate. We live in a giant version of the Holodeck on Star Trek. Quantum physics has shown us that the atom can appear as a particle (matter) or a wave (energy) and displays characteristics of both simultaneously. The wave is all possibility until it “collapses” (due to our observation and intent) into a particle and solidifies.

    Is it possible that flat earth people are looking at the “wave” aspect of the atom rather than the “particle” aspect? Could the Earth be flat on an unlimited plane, until it collapses into particle form and becomes a sphere?
    Are there two versions of reality in a duality, where it seems improbable that both can exist at the same time? Yet they obviously do.

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