A Flat Earth not Round ...?

[Omni]

Posted by loveoflife (here)
Do you have any sources for what you say about ancients?

Posted by Wikipedia
The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century BC, when it was mentioned in ancient Greek philosophy,[1] but remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given. The paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

[loveoflife]

I am still not sure how you can clarify the following statement especially from wikipedia. Who are these "most in the know" that you mention.

Posted by Omniverse (here)
A spherical earth back in ancient times is kind of like how ET life is now. The most in the know people thought the earth was a sphere. So not all the 'ancients' thought the world was flat.

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
Do you have any sources for what you say about ancients?

Posted by Wikipedia
The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to around the 6th century BC, when it was mentioned in ancient Greek philosophy,[1] but remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BC, when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given. The paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_Earth

Wikipedia, thats what i call lazy research, its predominantly mainstream and from a scholarly western perspective and interpretation of ancient texts.

The next paragraph from your quote with regard to ancients reads:

[QUOTE]

Posted by Wikipedia
........A practical demonstration of Earth's sphericity was achieved by Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Sebastián Elcano's expedition's circumnavigation (1519−1522).[6]


The concept of a spherical Earth displaced earlier beliefs in a flat Earth: In early Mesopotamian mythology, the world was portrayed as a flat disk floating in the ocean and surrounded by a spherical sky,[7] and this forms the premise for early world maps like those of Anaximander and Hecataeus of Miletus. Other speculations on the shape of Earth include a seven-layered ziggurat or cosmic mountain, alluded to in the Avesta and ancient Persian writings (see seven climes).

So the concept of a spherical earth is a relatively new concept in historical terms.

The Fertile Crescent (Mesopotamia and Levant) is referred to as the cradle of civilisation, from where the cuneiform tablets that mention The Annunaki (‘those who from the heavens came.”) originate, and many have written on their influence on humanities development since then.

I would imagine those who arrived here in a spaceship who know what the earth looked like from space.

[Omni]

Posted by loveoflife (here)
I am still not sure how you can clarify the following statement especially from wikipedia. Who are these "most in the know" that you mention.

Wikipedia, thats what i call lazy research, its predominantly mainstream and from a scholarly western perspective and interpretation of ancient texts.

I just quickly googled a link for you. Wikipedia wasn't the source of where i got that information, it was years of reading about these topics... Research it yourself if you'd like it more in depth. You expect me to spend a half hour digging up a bunch of stuff for you? Isn't it a bit lazy to ask me to do the research for you?

It is well known many philosophers and greater minds have theorized, even knew the world was a sphere a long time ago. Much longer than the 1500s.

Not everything in mainstream history is false. Here is another link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes

Eratosthenes of Cyrene (/ɛrəˈtɒsθəniːz/; Greek: Ἐρατοσθένης, IPA: [eratostʰénɛːs]; c. 276 BC[1] – c. 195/194 BC[2]) was a Greek mathematician, geographer, poet, astronomer, and music theorist. He was a man of learning, becoming the chief librarian at the Library of Alexandria. He invented the discipline of geography, including the terminology used today.[3]

He is best known for being the first person to calculate the circumference of the Earth, which he did by applying a measuring system using stadia, a standard unit of measure during that time period. His calculation was remarkably accurate. He was also the first to calculate the tilt of the Earth's axis (again with remarkable accuracy). Additionally, he may have accurately calculated the distance from the Earth to the Sun and invented the leap day.[4] He created the first map of the world incorporating parallels and meridians, based on the available geographical knowledge of the era.

Or a plethora of other links since you seem to not be able to discern truth if its from wikipedia:
https://www.google.com/search?q=sphe...utf-8&oe=utf-8

The next paragraph from your quote with regard to ancients reads:
So the concept of a spherical earth is a relatively new concept in historical terms.

No it isn't. Not every intellectual who looks at the moon and figured the earth could be a sphere had it documented in history. You are doing a case of mental gymnastics applying selective reasoning. Saying wikipedia is faulty yet citing wikipedia as a source for your own perspective...

When the mainstream grasps a subject, rest assured, intellectuals have known it for a long time. Just like right now in history the idea of extraterrestrials would be seen as an unknown, even a false idea on earth. However plenty are aware of them, some even have interaction with them...

[Selkie]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
Not everything in mainstream history is false...

That is correct. Not everything in mainstream history is false, nor is everything in alternative history true. Both play upon gullibility, ignorance, and the natural desire of all humans to have their paradigm of reality reinforced. Both have the need to make a buck, and both can be used by unscrupulous people.

[loveoflife]

Wikipedia again. A great source of alternative information, i do not think.

I would still like to know who these "most in the know" are.

When i say ancients i am referring to to those who ancient civilisations that existed pre 5000 BC, of which there are many and some left monuments that predate Stonehenge.

Those Greeks who were mentioned are relatively recent.

Those who have reported alternative histories that i have read go into great detail and source their material, one example is Joseph P Farrell who uses mainstream sources to no be called a conspiracy theorist. Its not the knowledge that is taught in schools or Universities though, I have read that 90 of the Information in Universities is not taught.

One also wonders what is hidden in the Vatican Library. Anyone who thinks that they have some sort of complete truth must be deluded.

Anyway for the record i have made myself clear where i stand in my previous posts and i neither believe or disbelieve a flat earth theory, I am just open to the possibility.

[MalteseKnight]

Nothing is really solid .....the multiverse is just a superimposition of different frequencies...thus it is beside the point to argue whether the Earth or any other body is flat, round or is any other configuration for that matter !

MK

[Harley]

Is it round or flat?
Hmn, I can't tell!


First view of the entire sunlit side of Earth returned by the Deep Space Climate Observatory Satellite from one million miles away.

[WhiteLove]

Posted by Harley (here)
Is it round or flat?
Hmn, I can't tell!

Heh, my mind just travelled hundreds/thousands of years back in time when people honestly thought the world was a flat 2D plane. It's hilarious when you look at the above picture and start to question what happens at the edges, is there some kind of invisible wall found there or do people fall out into outer space or what happens. Then my mind started travelling even further into this world of nonsense - it wanted to know if you can somehow walk from the flat plane even further so that you actually walk on top of the edge itself. The next question is then of course, how thick is that edge, can you fall off it and if so where do you fall then and how come not anyone have "crossed the edge". Heh, it becomes hilarious.

[aniN]

Where are all the stars and satelites?
http://enclosedworld.com/
Coast to Coast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acTGMrJIAV8

Posted by Harley (here)
Is it round or flat?
Hmn, I can't tell!


First view of the entire sunlit side of Earth returned by the Deep Space Climate Observatory Satellite from one million miles away.

[Harley]

Or I s'pose that as you traveled beyond the boundary at any point you might simply find yourself at the exact opposite boundary at 180 degrees.

Sort of like a continuous loop.

But then how can the other continents that we know exist be justified?

Now if this image were to show all of the continents in one shot I'd be thinking Twilight zone!

[Mitm]

Nice Fake CGI From Nasa, now they are saying the Earth is more "pear shaped"...

[Mitm]

The reason for this conspiracy, and Eric Dubay does a good job of explaining it, so does Arthur Cristian, from loveforlife.com.au, is to get us to NOT believe our own senses, (which tell us the Earth isnt moving, the ground is flat, and that the Cosmos revolves around US), and to beleive in their science, Their Science is not just another religion, infact in the modern civilization its THE religion, Well where did their Science come from? All those links to Freemasonry. They have made MAN just another creature living on just another planet, orbiting just another sun, in an infinite universe... Whereas we are the pinnacle of creation, we are the children of the Creator/God. The round earth allows all the other so called science to hold our sway, Evolution, Dinosaurs, Aliens, the list goes on and on... This is the biggest lie ever, it tells us that whatever 'they' teach us is mostly lies. Even numbers, letters, anything from their "system" do not exist in nature... Arthur Cristian explains it better than I ever could, but it seems the whole thing is a sham, from the moment we are born in a hospital, we are taken away from the 'real' reality, and thrust into a freemasonic, satanic system, which at its essence is nothing but causing trauma and destruction to LIFE.

[Harley]

Posted by aniN (here)
Where are all the stars and satelites?
http://enclosedworld.com/
Coast to Coast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acTGMrJIAV8

Posted by Harley (here)
Is it round or flat?
Hmn, I can't tell!


First view of the entire sunlit side of Earth returned by the Deep Space Climate Observatory Satellite from one million miles away.

1. You have to remember that this is a NASA photo, all fixed up for public consumption (You see what they want you to see).

2. This image is displaying the entire 3,959 mile Radius in one shot. Since satellites range in size from less than one cubic foot to the size of a small school bus you'd need to zoom way in to see them. So naturally in doing so you would not be able to see Earth in it's full Radius.

3. As far as no stars, go back to #1.

OK, I'll explain #1 and #3 a little further.

Because, with one of the Apollo Moon landing conspiracy theories being 'Why are there no stars in any of the photos/videos', and because of NASA's many different and conflicting answers to that question, I think NASA is confused as to what to say about it anymore. For them it's kind of like 'Damned if I do and damned if I don't', so they've elected to stick with their original no stars in photos in order to support their Apollo story.

Does this prove that you cannot see stars from space? No it does not. What it does show you is you see what they want you to see.

[aviators]

This is what got my attention. Flat earthers say this has been known and proven in the past.

Chicago time lapse photography from 60 miles away
Across Lake Superior. Note : Chicago sky line is well below the curvature of earth from 60 miles away.
And should not be seen at all.
Video 2 reports from a weather man calling it a mirage. Really.... Is that possible.?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=mAWAHAEvAzc

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Sekn2jbXSkY

[aviators]

NASA shows a video of the earth spinning from space.
No cloud movement over a few days. Really..... Just sharing...
Skip to 2 min mark

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=s7d6M023c-Q

[Sierra]

Yes, such mirages are possible, and NASA is full of crap lol.

I kind of think the point is moot, are we physical or are we hologram? Because, even if we are living in a Hologram universe, the hologram obeys all the known physical "laws" of physics, astronomy, geology etc. which say the earth is a sphere.

Poor Galileo, it is not as if he *wanted* to contradict the Catholic Church, he knew he'd be in deep doo doo if he described what he observed.

"Publish and be damned" had more ferocious connotations back then...

[loveoflife]

Heres the proof from The Independent it must be true. All of the pictures the agency released since 1972 that claimed to show the whole planet were actually stitched together

43 years, they have take their time, no rush then. Or is it the recent flat earth interest on the internet?

Its an interesting article especially from a sceptics perspective. More fuel for the flat earthers.

Nasa has released the first picture of the Earth that it has taken in 43 years.

The picture, which has come from a camera on board the Deep Space Climate Observatory (DSCOVR), is the first picture of the whole Earth that has been seen since 1972. All of the pictures since then have been produced by stitching together different pictures into a full image of the globe.

The new picture is a composite, of three separate images, but each of those images showed the whole planet. The camera takes ten images through the colour spectrum — going all the way from ultraviolent to infrared — and to make the new picture Nasa combined the red, green and blue pictures.

Nasa releases first picture of the whole Earth taken in 43 years






I have just noticed this group on Facebook with over 4,000 members. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1661...c_location=ufi





I would really like to see the above questions answered.

"The Earth Is Not Round" Neil deGrasse Tyson talks with 92Y

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SoCKapivHGM

[loveoflife]

I would like to say that NASA giving us pictures of Earth that are composites and not providing better evidence are just fueling the debate and proving that they are not a reliable source of information.

As for my self i no longer know who to believe or know what reality is, where once i thought that i did. I have always been a science fiction fan, now i can see that Star Trek, Star Wars and the rest are just promoting a reality that i wanted to and was conditioned to believe in and be entertained by.

Nothing is as it appears to be.

[loveoflife]

Another interesting question.

[Dennis Leahy]

It's a controversy, alright. Possibly the most important question of our time: is the Earth really flat? So, I propose a mission: a few brave souls who would dare to walk to the edge and take some photos and prove it once and for all. We'll need a team and some long rope - to suspend one of the team members over the edge to get the exclusive photos of the edge of the Earth. Oh, and a camera, mustn't forget the camera. And trail mix.

So, who's in for the adventure of a lifetime? Who will dare to go? Will you? We'll start a fund. Let's call it the "Over The Edge" fund. I'll donate the first $5.

I would go, but I'm kinda busy with another project right now. I seriously do want all Avalon flat earthers and flat earthers from all around (oops, goddamn NASA! I mean all over, not all around) the Earth to all trek to the Edge together. Please. Do it for humanity.