Chris Thomas

[Joe Akulis]

I think it's a curious thing when people try to make the distinction between a "channeled" contact with someone and a "contactee" type of contact with someone into the reason why one person's information should be considered more trustworthy than another's. Or should not be disregarded as quickly as someone else's experience.

Couldn't I walk up to someone in a pub and say, "My grandmother just died." Or, "Reincarnation is fake."

Would my information be even more trustworthy since it was delivered by another physically incarnate human, and not a semi- or completely discarnate person? *eyebrows raised*

:-)

"Do you really think that's air you're breathing right now?" --Morpheus

[turiya]

The following article excerpt taken from New Dawn magazine Special Issue 17, authored by Lyn Picknett & Clive Prince (Feb 11 2012), entitled "Behind the Mask: Aliens or Cosmic Jokers?"

Hypnosis Used For the Purpose
of Channeling of Extraterrestrials

Enter the Nine

In the late 1990s we researched a story packed with all the paradoxes and questions just discussed (see the link above), as detailed in our The Stargate Conspiracy (1999, updated 2000). These events represent either the biggest and most concerted attempt yet at extraterrestrial intervention – or a criminal manipulation of the belief in it. Either way, it’s sensational and terrifying.

Andrija Puharich

The central character is the American Army physician and parapsychologist Andrija Puharich (1918-1995) who experimented with stimulating psychic abilities using hypnosis, psychoactive drugs and electrical devices. He was also obsessed with the possibility of psychic communication with non-human intelligences.

In 1948 – after being discharged from the army on medical grounds – Puharich created the Round Table Foundation in Maine, to carry out ostensibly private experiments with psychics such as Eileen Garrett and Peter Hurkos. The Foundation soon attracted wealthy backers, even including Henry A. Wallace, Vice President of the USA under Franklin D. Roosevelt, who funded Puharich through his Wallace Foundation. Another supporter was Ruth Forbes Young, from the stupendously rich Forbes family, and her husband, the ubiquitous inventor Arthur M. Young, besides Alice Bouverie, heiress to the Astor dynasty.

From research in the 1990s we now know Puharich’s Round Table Foundation was also covertly funded by the US Army. He himself recorded several visits from military top brass, including the head of psychological warfare research. So was it a front for military psi experiments on civilian psychics, with his discharge merely a cover?

Puharich was a passionate advocate of the military use of psi, presenting the paper: ‘An Evaluation of the Possible Usefulness of Extrasensory Perception in Psychological Warfare’ to the Pentagon in November 1952. He was redrafted the very next day…

But before taking up his duties, a seminal event occurred at the Round Table Foundation. Puharich’s team were working with the Indian channeler Dr. D.G. Vinod, who on New Year’s Eve 1952 declared, in trance, “We are Nine Principles and Forces,” going on to channel them. The Nine - (aka Council of Nine) described themselves as separate entities that function as one – claiming (with typical lack of modesty and lofty disdain for mere mortal grammar): “God is nobody else than we together, the Nine Principles of God. There is no God other than what we are together.” The communications continued for six months until Vinod’s return to India.

Deeper and Darker

In parallel with the Vinod communications, from February 1953 until April 1955, Puharich was stationed at the Army’s Chemical Centre at Edgewood, Maryland – although he often returned to the Round Table Foundation. The exact nature of his duties remains unknown, but Edgewood was the Army’s research facility into both chemical and psychological warfare – and at that time it was involved with a joint project with the CIA’s notorious MK-ULTRA.[1] Puharich’s Army career certainly puts a different spin on the debut of the Nine.

In 1956 the extraterrestrial element was spliced to the story. In Mexico, Puharich and Arthur Young encountered Charles and Lillian Laughead (also of Dorothy Martin fame), who were working with a young man who claimed to be in psychic contact with aliens. The Laugheads sent Puharich messages from these ETs, containing cross-references to the earlier Vinod communications, apparently revealing that the same cosmic intelligences were contacting different people. (Emphasis mine.)

Uri Geller

In the 1960s Puharich devoted himself to parapsychological research and the development of patented medical devices. Then, in 1970, Puharich met Uri Geller in Israel, becoming convinced that his spoonbending and other talents were genuine. When he experimentally hypnotised Geller, the young Israeli channeled the entity ‘Spectra’, allegedly a conscious computer aboard a far-distant spaceship. Spectra said ETs had programmed Geller with his powers as a toddler, and effectively anointed him as a new Messiah for coming world changes, stating, “He is the only one for the next fifty years to come.”

When Puharich then asked the somewhat leading question, “Are you of the Nine Principles that once spoke through Dr Vinod?” Spectra unsurprisingly replied, “Yes.” It then confirmed that the Nine were behind UFOs, right from Kenneth Arnold’s seminal 1947 sighting.

‘Oddly Monotonous Miracles’

The hypnosis sessions and 'Spectra' channelings continued, while strange phenomena dogged Puharich and Geller. In what Colin Wilson calls “a confusion of oddly monotonous miracles”[2] machine-like voices spoke out of thin air, objects dematerialised and teleported (including Puharich’s dog – and once Geller himself). And several UFOs appeared over Tel Aviv and the Sinai desert.

However, although Geller confirms the paranormality, he distances himself from the channeling. And although Puharich seemed convinced that 'Spectra' and 'The Nine' were real, Geller calls them “a civilisation of clowns”[3] – a perfect description of the Ultraterrestrial/Cosmic Joker scenario.

Puharich arranged for Geller to be tested at SRI International, the Californian institute where CIA-backed ‘psychic spying’ research – most famously remote viewing – was being conducted. In fact, during our research for The Stargate Conspiracy Geller told us Puharich was working for the CIA when he visited Israel to evaluate him. Another associate of Puharich’s, the physicist Jack Sarfatti, also confirmed it. Given his background, Puharich would of course have been their ideal head-hunter.

Just as in the first contact with the Nine twenty years before we discover paranormal research secretly backed by military intelligence – which again centres on channelling the Nine… Perfect symmetry – but what does it mean?

Exit the Messiahs

Despite Puharich’s efforts to promote Geller as the Messiah of a new phase in human evolution, he bowed out in 1973, having risen to international superstardom. But the Nine continued to reach Puharich through new channellers. They seemed to forget they once declared Geller “the only one to come for the next fifty years.” First there was a young chef known only as ‘Bobby Horne’ who, hypnotised by Puharich, channeled the extraterrestrial ‘Corean’ – who agreed with Puharich’s suggestion that he/she/it was an emissary of the Nine. Horne was driven to the brink of suicide by the experience.

He was replaced by medium Phyllis Schlemmer who was appointed the Nine’s official ‘transceiver’, a position she maintained for the next twenty years. Her guide ‘Tom’, who she had assumed was the spirit of her grandfather, suddenly announced he was an extraterrestrial and one of the Nine – now the ‘Council of Nine’.

Phylis Schlemmer

Phyllis came out of trance moaning and showing symptoms of intense physical pain, and when she regained normal consciousness her expression was fearful. Her eyes darted about as if she was following the movements of objects or entities invisible to the others. It was some time before she spoke, but eventually she turned to Andrija and asked him, 'Are you sure that we are dealing with the right people?' She had felt threatened, she said, on coming out of trance, by some creatures with black masks. "Briefing for the Landing on Planet Earth" Chapter 3

After Geller’s departure, Puharich established a new research facility in New Jersey, ‘Lab Nine’. This became the focus for two related series of events.

First there was the mission of alerting the world to the Council of Nine’s existence and imminent return through mass landings of spaceships in the late 1970s. An important new player was the wealthy English baronet and spiritual seeker, Sir John Whitmore, a former racing driver.

There was a concerted effort to get the Nine’s message to a wider audience, besides enticing influential individuals to hear Schlemmer dispense their cosmic wisdom. They included scientists interested in the interface between quantum physics and consciousness besides members of super-rich families, politicians and writers.

Gene Roddenberry

But the biggest name was undoubtedly Gene Roddenberry, creator of Star Trek, who was involved with the Nine in 1974 to ‘75. Clearly hoping to exploit his cult status, Puharich urged him to write a movie screenplay about the Nine, although it was never finished. How far Roddenberry believed in or trusted them is unclear.

Although it’s claimed that Roddenberry’s Lab Nine experiences had some influence over the first Star Trek movie and the Next Generation series a decade later (with its nine central characters), besides the Deep Space Nine spin-off, the series that undoubtedly reveals most about Roddenberry’s attitude to the Nine is his last, Earth: Final Conflict (1997-2002), produced after his death. This is set in the near future where an advanced alien race, the Taelon, arrive on Earth claiming to help mankind, but some humans are suspicious that they’re really bent on conquest…

Deep Space Nine

Roddenberry had turned the discarnate Nine into flesh-and-blood aliens – and the Taelon are ruled by a Synod or Council. Although the plot seemingly reflects his uncertainty about the Nine, since his death in 1991 Phyllis Schlemmer still claims he was unknowingly influenced by the Nine when creating the original Star Trek series.

However, it was in response to a question by Roddenberry that ‘Tom’ finally revealed his – and the Nine’s – real identity. He was none other than Atum, chief god of the ancient Egyptian ‘Great Ennead’, the nine gods and goddesses beloved of the pyramid builders. However, perhaps it should be pointed out that after Vinod’s first contact, Puharich had begun to study the Ennead.

The other project at Lab Nine was more disturbing. Using various techniques including hypnosis, he also got a group of children – the ‘Space Kids’ – to remote view political and military targets such as the Kremlin, and tried to make them channel alien intelligences.

Virtually nothing is known about this project. The only record consists of visitors’ comments, disturbingly noting that some of the kids were clearly traumatized by the experience. As this happened in parallel with the CIA-backed remote viewing programme, it seems a way of involving children without arousing suspicions. After all, which would you be most ok with: sending your kids to a cool camp to become the new Uri Geller – or waving them off into the care of the CIA and military somewhere secret?

In 1978 it all fell apart: Lab Nine mysteriously burned down, and Puharich fled to Mexico, claiming he was being targeted… by the CIA! Perhaps they feared revelations about the Space Kids through a scandal involving his associate Ira Einhorn, who was being investigated for the murder of his former girlfriend Holly Maddux (for which he was subsequently convicted). At the time of her disappearance, Maddux possessed papers relating to the Space Kids research. (Puharich returned to the USA three years later – odd for someone who feared assassination by the CIA – and continued his paranormal research, although apparently playing no further part in the Nine story. He died in 1995.)

Onwards and Downwards

The Council of Nine continues its mission. Schlemmer/Tom’s 1992 book, The Only Planet of Choice, remains a New Age bestseller, and although no longer actively channeling the Nine, she still promotes their message. Given she had been in touch with these ‘ancient gods’ almost daily since 1975, her book of just under 400 pages is clearly somewhat selective.

Then the Nine entered the big time. In 1978 Whitmore introduced Englishwoman Jenny O’Connor to the Esalen Institute, the Californian centre for the alternative scene that attracted famous names from the worlds of art, entertainment, science and even politics. Incredibly, not only did the Nine give seminars at Esalen through her, but from 1979 until at least 1982 they effectively took over the Institute. In Esalen: America and the Religion of No Religion (2007), Jeffrey J. Kripal describes the founder Richard Price’s reliance on O’Connor: “Dick decided to ask Jenny and the Nine to help him make tough administrative decisions, which included firing and hiring individuals.” Esalen staff member and Price’s biographer Eric Erickson describes the Nine as “extraterrestrial hatchet men.” [4]

This period was particularly significant for Esalen. Many of those who attended O’Connor’s seminars became prominent in political circles both in America and the USSR (through the Institute’s Soviet Exchange Program), as Jack Sarfatti wrote (his emphasis):

The fact remains… that a bunch of apparently California New Age flakes into UFOs and psychic phenomena, including myself, had made their way into the highest levels of the American ruling class and the Soviet Union and today run the Gorbachev Foundation.[5]

It was through O’Connor that the Nine reached Washington, including the circles from which Al Gore – an unashamed fan of the paranormal – was to emerge. It isn’t known how much he was influenced by the Nine, but some of his associates – including his political mentor Senator Claiborne Pell – were certainly interested in their pronouncements. It’s a chilling thought that if Gore had become President, who – or what – would have influenced him?

Joking Apart

The Nine represent the most concerted effort ever to manufacture and sell a system of belief based on extraterrestrial contact. Built up over five decades, it involved persuading prominent politicians and cultural leaders of their reality and impending return, besides attempting to make them known globally through books and movies. This campaign was most successful in the New Age subculture, which is still largely – and unquestioningly – in thrall to the Nine.

The Nine’s communications exhibit all the classic ambiguities and difficulties of alleged alien contact. At the very least they’re ‘anomalous’ – ostensibly extraterrestrial but laced with more traditional paranormality. And behind it all is the shadowy presence of government agencies. (Emphasis mine.)

The facts outlined above fit two different scenarios. The first – preferred by the Nine devotees – is that the Nine are genuinely advanced ETs who created the human species and guided its development, and who were worshipped as gods in ancient Egypt. And now humankind has reached a crisis point through its own folly, they are about to return to get us out of the mess and (somewhat contradictorily) to launch humanity into the next evolutionary level.

There are good reasons to doubt this explanation. Analysis of the Nine’s pronouncements reveals too many internal inconsistencies, besides often ridiculous historical and scientific errors. So what about the second scenario? Given Puharich’s sinister background, could the whole thing have been an experiment into the creation and manipulation of channeled contact? It is clear even from his own account that he directed the channeling, often asking leading questions of hypnotized channelers. And there is evidence suggesting that he also used chemical and electronic techniques.

Was it all just an experiment to see how apparent contact with non-human intelligences could be induced, manipulated and exploited? If so, what do we make of the evidence from the late 1970s of the concerted effort to construct a new religion centred on the Nine? Like every cult, however, true power would lie with the ‘priesthood’ led by Puharich and his cohorts.

But even that scenario, it seems to us, fails to cover the facts. There seems little doubt that something genuinely paranormal was happening. The British writer Stuart Holroyd, for example, was persuaded to write a book about the Nine – Prelude to the Landing on Planet Earth (1977) – after experiencing poltergeist-type activity in his house. This is harder to ascribe to CIA manipulation – unless we assume the CIA can induce paranormal events. And, of course, the Nine communications continued even after Puharich’s involvement, through several individuals. They include James J. Hurtak, Puharich’s second-in-command at Lab Nine and Carla Rueckert, a paranormal researcher who collaborated with him. Both produced books of channeled material from the same source – whatever that might have been. Hurtak’s The Keys of Enoch (1977) and Reuckert’s The Ra Material (1984) have both been New Age best sellers.

Puharich wrote, “I do not doubt that discarnate intelligences exist, any more than I doubt that finite carnate intelligences exist.”[6] But as someone who made a specific study of the subject, even becoming a kahuna, an initiate of Hawaiian shamanism, he must have known always to be on guard against trickster spirits – what Colin Wilson memorably called (in his introduction to Prelude to the Landing on Planet Earth) the “crooks and con men of the spirit world.”[7]

Perhaps Puharich was indeed directing events, but was experimenting as much on the Nine as he was on their human channels – trying to discover how to sort the wheat from the chaff among discarnate entities. Or maybe even (terrifying thought) to find out if the entities themselves can be manipulated and controlled. But if true, what would it mean for the involvement of the military and intelligence agencies? Are they trying to establish a relationship with such beings?

‘An Awful Lot of Trouble’

If, as the evidence increasingly suggests, the CIA and military are not trying to suppress belief in alien contact but to encourage it, why would they? The assumption of most advocates of the Federal Hypothesis is that those agencies want to use the phenomenon and people’s belief in it as a smokescreen for their own covert purposes. In other words, if the CIA want us to think UFOs exist then the truth is that they don’t. But in our view, there is another even more unsettling reason: they want us to think UFOs are extraterrestrial nuts-and-bolts machines and the aliens are flesh-and-blood in order to divert attention from the reality that the real ‘aliens’ co-exist invisibly with us on the Earth – and are the source of all cases of high strangeness.

Jacques Vallée, one of the first to research the covert manipulation of the UFO scenario by official agencies, concluded: “someone is going to an awful lot of trouble to convince the world that we are threatened by beings from outer space.”8 But how does this fit in with his Magonian hypothesis? Vallée presented his most explicit statement of the big picture in the storyline of his 1996 novel Fastwalker (written with Tracy Tormé): a powerful group of human conspirators know that the UFO phenomenon is created by entities from a parallel world, but they aim to convince world leaders and the global population of the existence of ‘aliens’ – and then position themselves as the world’s go-betweens.

Which is basically our own view of the case of the Council of Nine: they have the stamp of the Ultraterrestrial all over them – clowns, conmen and cosmic jokers – but there is also the pernicious presence of very human agencies lurking in the background. The joke is on all those who follow the Ultraterrestrials, however they choose to manifest themselves or however their human allies choose to present them to us. But, as history has shown, it may be no laughing matter.
SOURCE

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Stargate Conspiracy -6-

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=tp5XyjKsVjg

Chris Thomas writes:

The Velon are also responsible for the following organizations:

Great White Brotherhood, Galactic Federation, Borealis, Masters From the Great White Lodge, Orion Empire, and Ashtar Command.

The Velon are a very determined race and have adopted many disguises in an attempt to fool people. These disguises include, but are not limited to:

The Galactic Council, Galactic Federation, Council of Nine, Ascended Masters, Ashtar Command, Mary Magdalene, the Christ Consciousness (Lord Sananda), Lord Metatron, Orions, Reptilians, Tall White Nordics, Watchers, Nephilim, Dracos, Ascended Sirians, Venusians, Saturnians and Angels.

Note: Although the authors of the Stargate Conspiracy have somewhat of a different take on exactly who the 'Nine' were. It should be pointed out that Chris Thomas' research points out that of the six sub-races of Velon, it is the Hathor that have consistently portrayed & linked themselves to Ancient Egyptian gods & the lore of that era.

[kat]

Here where I live in Canada the local tv station is playing the original Star Trek series on PRIME TIME for 2 hours every night. One of tonight's episodes was titled DOOMSDAY.

[turiya]

Posted by kat (here)
Here where I live in Canada the local tv station is playing the original Star Trek series on PRIME TIME for 2 hours every night. One of tonight's episodes was titled DOOMSDAY.

Hi Kat - I could happily live with that...

[turiya]

Quantum Healing Hypnosis Technique (QHHT), involves inducing an individual into a Somnambulistic State of Trance... to receive Channeled Messages from ETs



Dolores Cannon's "Source of All Knowledge" another name for Andrija Puharich's "Council of Nine" ?

Dolores Cannon has been conducting hypnotherapy since the 1960s and has developed a trademarked hypnosis approach called the Quantum Healing Hypnosis Technique (QHHT). Using QHHT, Dolores utilizes the deepest level of trance, what she has called the somnambulistic level. At this level she claims to be able to delve into the deepest recesses of a person’s mind, and it is while there that she’s made some fairly radical contacts.

Apparently, while working on this somnambulistic level, entities are able to step into Dolores’ patients in order to provide her with copious amounts of so-called "unknown", or "lost information". She goes into depth about this lost information in all of her books, and particularly in her series called The Convoluted Universe (volumes 1, 2 and 3, respectively).

In these books Dolores comes into contact with groups of what most would call ET Aliens, and these aliens provide her with mass amounts of knowledge ranging from Atlantis to the pyramids to the significance of crop circles. Whether this information is entirely accurate is yet quite questionable. - source link

Dolores claims to have contact with what she calls "The Source of all Knowledge". She says:

" I didn't know what to call it, because it started to come through all the people I was working with. Then I found a way to call it in. You may want to call it the "OverSoul, the Higher Self, the Higher Consciousness", but it is so big, so huge - it has the answer to everything. And it has tremendous power. And this is what I contact when I'm doing the therapy.

I've done thousands & thousands of people. And so if I'm getting the same information and the same contacts through these people, you know I had to discover something. I call it the 'subconscious'. 'They' say, "We don't care what you call us, we'll work with you." But, when I found out when I got into it, information was coming through the clients I was working with. I don't interrupt the session, but when something is needed - a new theory that I have to know about, or new information - 'They' just interrupt the session and tell me, "Dolores, this is what you need to know for your next book."

I call them 'They', I don't know what else to call them. 'They' say that they are a 'group' [think 'Council of Nine' here]. And the information just pours out of the people I work with.
Source video: Dolores Cannon: The Convoluted Universe

Characteristics Described When Induced
into a Somnabulistic State of Trance Giving Rise to
What Dolores Describes as the "Subconscious"

A series of fascinating changes occur, both in the individual hypnotized and the surrounding environment, once communication is established and the "subconscious" is present. The first observable change is a dramatic rise in the level of energy in the room, with those present often describing feelings of euphoria and intense excitement. Without exception, a feeling of both immense power and immense love is experienced by all in attendance. (source - Characteristics of the Subconsious)

In the Presence of ETs:
Euphoria & Unconditional Love Often Felt

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0S5uBpz5TLs

[Lancet]

Hi everyone.

I think both Simon and Chris have contributes vastly and unreservedly humanity and the awakening processes. I am a big fan of both. They may get some stuff wrong. So what? It doesnt detract from our mission here on Earth. I would like to point out that examining very word may be a fruitless exercise. I have been following OSHO and what he was saying on his youtube clips, he was from the 70s, and he does say some things that are still relevant today. the important bits are in this clip: 1st 5-6 minutes.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xggTJCCxFss

JT

[turiya]

Thanks for the thread bump, Lancet, especially since you've stumbled across the greatest flowering in human intelligence.

And you ask:

"So what?" I would like to point out that examining [every] word may be a fruitless exercise.

ANSWER: If you have been following Osho's teachings, then you must have come across him saying "anything can be a meditation".

Running can be a meditation.

"You will not think of running as a meditation, but runners sometimes have felt a tremendous experience of meditation. They were surprised, because they were not looking for it — who thinks that a runner is going to experience the divine? — but it has happened, and now running is becoming more and more a new kind of meditation.

It can happen in running. If you have ever been a runner, if you have enjoyed running in the early morning when the air is fresh and young and the whole world is coming back out of sleep, awakening, and you were running and your body was functioning beautifully, and the fresh air, and the new world again born out of the darkness of the night, and everything singing all around, and you were feeling so alive.... A moment comes when the runner disappears; there is only running. The body, mind and soul start functioning together; suddenly an inner orgasm is released.

Runners have sometimes come accidentally on the experience of the fourth, turiya, although they will miss it because they will think it was just because of running that they enjoyed the moment; that it was a beautiful day, that the body was healthy and the world was beautiful, and it was just a certain mood. They will not take note of it. But if they take note of it, my own observation is that a runner can come close to meditation more easily than anybody else. Jogging can be of immense help, swimming can be of immense help. All these things have to be transformed into meditations.

Jogging, dancing, swimming – anything can be a meditation. My definition of meditation is: whenever your body, mind and soul are functioning together in rhythm it is meditation, because it will bring the fourth [turiya] in."
SOURCE: Osho, The Book of Wisdom, Talk #23

So, this particular thread is my meditation.

Just because it doesn't fit in with your idea of what a meditation should be ... then, yes, "So What?" goes back to you.

Best regards,
turiya

[Lancet]

turiya,
thank you for your thoughts.

I think you are most kind and sharp witted and intelligent. You are pointing out the differences in what other people have experienced and want to share. Why use the word rebuttal ? - for that word signifies one knows something the other doesn't. Surely both are right or wrong or one is or isn't. I am merely pointing out that in fact we may never truly know from others, we must seek from within.

"They mean well to guide, as imperfect as they may be" is what I am saying, but please do not take their statements to be some kind of certainty. Anyhow both Simon and Chris have qualified their what they say as things which the reader or listener must verify and not take wholesale.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Peace.

JT

[turiya]

Posted by Lancet (here)
turiya,
thank you for your thoughts.

I think you are most kind and sharp witted and intelligent. You are pointing out the differences in what other people have experienced and want to share. Why use the word rebuttal ? - for that word signifies one knows something the other doesn't. Surely both are right or wrong or one is or isn't. I am merely pointing out that in fact we may never truly know from others, we must seek from within.

"They mean well to guide, as imperfect as they may be" is what I am saying, but please do not take their statements to be some kind of certainty. Anyhow both Simon and Chris have qualified their what they say as things which the reader or listener must verify and not take wholesale.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Peace.

JT

"Rebuttal" means "countering"... 'refuting by offering a contrary contention or argument'
I am simply providing a rebuttal by offering an opposing view that is provided with the material that is contained within the books, essay, interviews of Chris Thomas. I am not a 'believer' of anything, whether said or written by others. This does not prevent me from observing that various statements made by two people are in opposition to each other.

Perhaps, you may be clearly pointing something out, here. Because 'rebuttal' implies one has taken a side of an argument. 'Juxtaposition' goes beyond taking just-a-position. 'Juxtaposition' - Juxtaposition is an act or instance of placing close together or side by side, especially for comparison or contrast.

This is probably more correct to say in what I am doing with this Simon Parkes & Chris Thomas stuff. Here is another 'Just-a-Position'... er... I mean 'Juxtaposition'...

CHRIS THOMAS & SIMON PARKES
On the Human Soul and Other Alien Species

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=lpd2xrtL6PM

[turiya]

Abductions:
Military in Collaboration with ETs

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Pi9z5YUsCXE

Published July 8, 2015

This video contains an early candid interview with Barbara Lamb as she discusses, in part, the reported abductions during regression hypnotherapy session of the military seemingly working with some of the ETs when the abduction has taken place.

[turiya]

The film focuses on the people — those who have had their lives both torn apart and transformed by this experience. Real people looking for real answers. Harvard psychiatrist John Mack, a leading researcher in the alien encounter phenomenon, meets some of the people who claim to have had these experiences.

When a person is confronted by something that is so powerful, so indescribably outside the realm of everyday life, it forces a reexamination of everything previously taken for granted.

Touched - Encounters with Alien Life Forms 1/5

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=k3eRj6iMo9Q

Touched - Encounters with Alien Life Forms 2/5

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=jG35NH8OK4I

Touched - Encounters with Alien Life Forms 3/5

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ity-CDqlmA4

Touched - Encounters with Alien Life Forms 4/5

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=T4nLRk56slU

Touched - Encounters with Alien Life Forms 5/5

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=2YoLpn21GSA

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[turiya]

Do You Know Barbara Lamb?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=TiIOfuJlnxI

Published July 16, 2015

Exposé on Barbara Lamb, Critique w/ comments. 'Expose' means make (something) visible, typically by uncovering it, reveal, uncover, lay bare.

Thankful to E.D., Reuben Langdon for the interview with Barbara Lamb. Also credit for the soundtrak that was used (in part).

Barbara Lamb is found to be flooded with clients that have had encounters & abductions with Velon extraterrestrials. Which also reveals the reason for this, found later in the examination of her Regression Hypnotherapy sessions with Dolores Cannon. Barbara appears to have been specifically selected by the Velon to work as a kind of 'Public Relations' agent, working to help acclimate those particular Velon abductees into accepting their abductors in a kind of "Stockholm Syndrome" kind of venue.

Of course, Barbara Lamb is unaware that she has been working for the Velon as their public relations agent. Barbara, like many people that channel these entities are selected because of their HGF - high gullibility factor - being swept off their feet by the notion that they have been selectively 'chosen' & given a 'mission' to work for the benefit of humanity-at-large by hierarchical spiritually advanced extraterrestrial beings. As, it should be noted that the Velon are very good at playing both sides of the benevolent / malevolent spectrum.

There is no attempt to make profit or gain in the making of this video. Hence, the Right of Fair Use Claim.

The Barbara Lamb Interview by Reuben Langdon of E.D. can be viewed at the following link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqRjAYZxwcE

[Lancet]

Sometimes when I look into myself for answers, I find nothingness there or maybe a better word would be silence. It is like staring at a dark void. IMO it is better than a voice speaking to me. The more I read up on CT, the more I understand his message. The best thing is that it resonates better than some of the other explanations that we have for our holographic universe. I can understand why Turiya would like to compare CT to SP, to highlight the differences in their messages.

Well done Turiya for the thread, and thanks.

JT

[turiya]

Posted by Lancet (here)
Sometimes when I look into myself for answers, I find nothingness there or maybe a better word would be silence. It is like staring at a dark void. IMO it is better than a voice speaking to me. The more I read up on CT, the more I understand his message. The best thing is that it resonates better than some of the other explanations that we have for our holographic universe. I can understand why Turiya would like to compare CT to SP, to highlight the differences in their messages.

Well done Turiya for the thread, and thanks.

JT

As in having an awareness of Osho & his teachings that you have (as I myself do), Chris Thomas' method, the 'Giveaway', of cleaning out & the clearing of the physical body & subconscious mind of repressed emotions in preparation for receiving the entire soul to merge with the physical body, he coincides precisely with the teachings of Osho. Osho was one of the very few masters that understood this. That's why his commune was set up for his active meditations that were to be used in conjunction with cathartic therapies. Such meditation therapies as "The Mystic Rose", "No-Mind", "Dynamic meditation", "Kundalini" and "Gibberish meditation", not to leave out "Nataraj" & "Sufi Whirling" were at the very top of the list for those that understood what Osho was about. All for the sake of creating a truly sane & civilized world. For the most part, the status quo remains ignorant to what his work was & is about.

Thank you very much for your understanding.
Be well.

[turiya]

Do You Know Barbara Lamb? (Pt2)

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=AocvAvphX-U

CHAPTER 14

INVESTIGATING THE INVESTIGATOR

It appeared that once the aliens found a way to communicate with me through my subjects, they continued to supply information at every opportunity. The hypnotherapist in this case prefers to remain anonymous [we now know it to be Barbara Lamb], because she has an active practice and does not want this information released prematurely. She is also planning to write her own book dealing with the information she has uncovered in her work. At that time she will refer to this case and the connection between us will be revealed. Thus, I will call her Bonnie. I have known her for several years and we have had contact professionally and on the lecture circuit. In June 1997 we were both speakers at a conference at a University in Wyoming.

After it ended we held this session in the dormitory where we were staying. We were both extremely tired and I would be leaving the next morning, but we wanted to take advantage of the rare opportunity to be together and have the session. There were two men present who had asked Bonnie's permission. One of them operated Bonnie's tape recorder, while I monitored mine.

She [Barbara Lamb] was reliving driving south on Highway 101.

Dolores Cannon: So as you're driving, it's just a normal drive?
Barbara Lamb: Well, it's normal except I am surprised there aren't any other cars ahead of me or behind me. And it seems strange there aren't any coming the other way either.
Dolores: Is there normally traffic there?
Barbara: Well, I don't usually drive home this late from Santa Barbara. But I would think on a Friday night around midnight there'd be some traffic. But it's very nice in the sense that I don't have any glare coming into my eyes from the oncoming traffic.

Bonnie [Barbara Lamb] remarked about the blackness of the night and the inability to distinguish the land from the ocean. She then drove past the little sign "Seacliff." Immediately afterwards she saw the big flash of a perfect circle of light down by the coast. A little further along she saw the big glow of a light shining behind the craggy mountains to her left. The light covered quite a distance, because it took her a while to drive past the reaches of it. So far she was reliving the evening just as her conscious mind had reported it, except she was continuing to supply information about the meeting at the restaurant, and her plans for the coming weekend.

Barbara: It's like a corona of light from something. And I don't see what the something is, because the hills are in the way. But the arc of this corona of light is like the top of a great big perfect curve, or circle. And it has a lot of definition to it. You know, some light is diffused and glowing at the edges, and just gradually fades into the darkness. But this one isn't that way. There's more like an edge to this light. It's so big and so bright, and I can't see where it's coming from. It's like that other thing that flashed. That's so interesting, because there was that flash on the right side, and now there's this big light shining on the left side. What could it be? There's no town over there or anything. I'm going at a really fast pace too, but it's so big it's taking me a while to go past it. And by the way, it's not moving around or anything. It's just staying there static. And now though, on the right side. I'm seeing this big thing. It looks like the big back end of a very tall truck. So I'm thinking of maybe a trailer truck or ... I mean, it would have to be a really big vehicle to be that tall. I'm not seeing along the side of it or anything, or the front of it, 'cause I'm approaching it from behind, from the rear. And I'm thinking it's odd that I didn't see it until just right here. And I'm wondering why it's parked there. I'm assuming it might have something to do with that weird light over there, across the freeway, past the hills on the left. There's some kind of glow shining up at it from below. It must be from something on the highway, I guess. It's sort of a soft light. And I'm seeing the silhouettes of some people walking. And I'm not sure ....
Dolores: Are you afraid you might hit them?
Barbara Lamb: Well, I see there's enough room. I wonder if we could sort of freeze ....
Dolores: I was going to suggest that, to freeze the scene so we can
examine it.
Barbara: Because I'm driving so fast. It happens so quickly.
Dolores: You can slow the whole scene down frame by frame.
Barbara: I need to do that.
Dolores:411 right. As you come up onto the back, you can see it very distinctly, and you can report it. Because as you slow it down you can see it in great detail. Tell me what you see as it is slowed down.

Barbara: Well, these people are very spindly. They're very thin, with long legs. They're all in motion. Some of them are walking past the back of this thing, this truck. They're all walking in different directions. Some of them are walking toward the front of the truck right on the freeway side. One or two are rounding the corner toward the back from the side. They're moving quickly, but smoothly.
Dolores: Can you make out any other details about them?
Barbara: They're different heights. (She showed signs of discomfort.) They have big heads. (Becoming upset.)
Dolores: Remember you can look at it objectively if you want to, as a reporter.
Barbara: (Almost sobbing.) Well, they're not really people.
D: Why do you say that?
Barbara: Because they're much thinner than people. And they have these long necks, and big heads. If they're people, they're very weird-looking people. I thought they were human, men road crew people or something.
Dolores: Why does that bother you?
Barbara: Well, it's just a surprise. I didn't expect this. (Still upset.) It's not that it's bad. But it's a surprise.
Dolores: Naturally. As this is slowed down frame by frame, can you make out more details about the object at the side of the road? You can see it clearly now. (Her facial signs indicated something.) What do you see?

Barbara: I see these big letters up there. Well, I thought they said, "Emergency Vehicle." But it's more like a pattern, I think. It's kind of like ... (Pause as she examined it.) I want to say "triangles," but not exactly. Like parts of triangles, angular shapes. Like if you put them together in a certain way they'd form triangles, but they're not forming triangles. I wouldn't say they're letters like we have letters. And the corners are not sharp now.
Dolores: Do you think later you could draw it?
Barbara: I can draw part of it. I'm still going fast, very fast.
Dolores: I want you to fix that design, those letters, in your mind, so you will be able to draw them as best you can later. Can you do that for me? (She mumbled something.) Just remember what it looks like.

Barbara: And the glow of that light down there. I thought there was some sort of light on the road, but there isn't. You know what it is? It's something about that big vehicle that's just glowing from underneath. It's not that there's something shining on it like I thought. I don't think it's as long as I assumed it was either. And where there was a sharp edge, or a corner, between the side and the back, it's more of a curve.
Dolores: But you're moving past it. Tell me what happens, because you can know now. You can see all the details.
Barbara: Suddenly there's this tremendous light in front of my windshield.
Dolores: What is it?
Barbara: (In wonder.) I don't know!
Dolores: Yes, you do.
Barbara: It's just dazzling. It's so incredibly bright and dazzling that it's startling. I mean, I can't see anything else. I can't see anything through it, except I see in it.
Dolores: But your mind knows what it is. Trust it. Where is it coming from?

Barbara: It's coming somehow from them.
Dolores: These people?
Barbara: Yeah. And that sort of silvery thing with the light radiating out from under it, out the back of it. It's not even that same color light, but it has something to do with them. I know they're doing it.
Dolores: Then what happens?
Barbara: And then I'm ... that's funny, I thought I just kept driving. But I'm not. I mean, I'm driving, but I'm ... I'm driving up. Upward. That's so weird. (Unbelieving.) I'm still holding onto the steering wheel, and I'm driving up. And I'm still in all this light. I thought that light just lasted a second, but I'm still in it. Now it's all around the car, and it's all in the car. It's really a beautiful, beautiful light.
Dolores: Can you see where it's coming from?
Barbara: No. I'm not driving forward, but upward, as if on a big ramp or a hill. Up, heading up.
Dolores: Like at an angle?
Barbara: Uh-huh. But I also sense I can't be on the road anymore, because the road doesn't go up there. And there's also a feeling of lightness and effortlessness. I think the car motor isn't even on, but I'm still holding on to the steering wheel.
Dolores: Can you hear the motor sounds?
Barbara: No, I don't hear anything. Now instead of moving forward, it's like it's floating upwards. But I feel very protected, because I'm in a big oval bubble of bright, bright light. I can't see where the light stops. I just know that I'm in it.

There was lots of distraction for me from noises going on outside. We were in a dormitory on a college campus. Earlier there had been busloads of young people arriving for a tennis tournament. They looked like high school kids. Now as it was getting dark, they seemed to be gathering on the street below the window. A lot of squealing, screaming and laughing was going on. I tried to ignore it. I hoped it would not interfere with the session. But normally the subject is so concentrated on what they are seeing that even loud noises do not disturb them at all. I got up and closed the window, even though it made the room hot.

Barbara: This light is really beautiful. And it's all around the car, and it's even through the car. It's like I'm just sitting in this tremendous bubble of dazzling light. I don't hear anything, but everything's okay. I'm still hanging onto the steering wheel. That feels good. ... Okay, now it's as if me and my car have come up into something. It feels like the car is being set onto something, like a floor or a ground or something. And that light is beginning to fade.
Dolores: Can you see where you are?
Barbara: It's a great big room. All around me, a circular room with hallways and doors going off it. And there's a lot of light too, but not as bright as the light I was just sitting in.
Dolores: How do you feel about this?
Barbara: Oh, it's okay. It's a surprise. (Pause) But now there's a whole swarm of-- I want to say "people," but they're not really people. They're all around the car. It's so funny. They must be up on the hood of the car looking in. And they're all around the windows. I turn around and look out the back, and they're there too. (She found this amusing.)
Dolores: What do they look like?
Barbara: (Chuckle) Oh, they look really nice, but they're certainly not human beings. They've got these big liquidy eyes, and bald heads. I mean, they're not threatening at all. They're curious and childlike and friendly. And they're just peering in, and tilting their heads now to get a better look.
Dolores: At you or at the car?
Barbara: I think both. I think mostly at me, it feels like. And then they open both doors for some reason. And that's weird, because I had the doors locked. I always drive in the dark with the doors locked. They just opened them. Two of them ... (Loud laugh) two of them are getting in the passenger seat to my right. My purse is there, and little candies I have out to eat in case I get sleepy. And they're pushing those off. And the second one is sort of pushing, nudging with his hip as the first one is in the seat. Like little kids, sort of. (High-pitched, imitating kid's voice) "I got to let her get in there first." And there are three or four by my door. And they're just reaching in, and they're ... it's weird, it's weird, because I have a seat belt on and the door locked. But that doesn't seem to bother them. I'm not aware of anybody reaching over and unhitching my seat belt, but they're sort of dragging me out by my left arm. And then they grab me ... not grab me, but touch me on my right arm, and close the door. Now there's some on either side of me, and one or two right in back of me. And they're like shuffling on.

Dolores: Well, can you see what their hands look like, as they're touching your arms?
Barbara: Yeah. They have real skinny fingers. These guys are sort of... (Pause as she examines them.) I want to say "blue," but they're really much lighter. More of a gray with a bluey tint. And their eyes are very pretty. They're very big and liquidy and bluey too. Bluey-blacky.
Dolores: Can you see how many fingers they have?
Barbara: Well, the one who has its hand on my right forearm, I can just see three fingers and then there's a funny thing trying to wrap around my forearm. It doesn't look really like a thumb, but it's sort of doing the job, more or less.
Dolores: So they have three fingers and this funny-looking one.
Barbara: Yeah, and they are very thin. I guess we would call them sort of bony.
Dolores: Where are they taking you?
Barbara: Well, they're walking me along. I said shuffling. It isn't really shuffling. I'm not even walking the way I walk. I mean, it seems like I started to, but then I don't have to. Because we're kind of gliding along. It's real smooth.
They're smooth and I'm smooth. And every once in a while (Laugh) I stick down a foot, you know, as if to take a step. And that sort of slows us down. It gets in the way. So they're taking me across this big ... I think it's really more of an oval shape than a round shape. I seem to be the only car and the only person. Oh, gosh, it's got a very high ceiling. There isn't really anything in it, but there are some doors. We're going across one end of the oval, in this floating kind of way. Not up in the air really. I think we're pretty near the floor. And I want to look around and see my car, and see what's happening to it. But I have a feeling they're really in there looking it over.
Dolores:(Chuckle) Just like little kids. They want to see it.
Barbara: Yeah. And I'm wondering what they'll think about my candy wrappers, and my purse, and my notebook, and my tapes. There are audio tapes.
Dolores: Well, they may not bother anything.
Barbara: Yeah, I don't think they would want them. I just had the thought. "I wonder what they think." Especially of the tapes that have to do with UFO things. (Chuckle) And I'm wondering if they'd like to know what's on them. But anyway, we're coming to a door, and we're going into another room. And in the middle of the room there's a chair that has arms. It has a headrest, and a footplace, like a.... Well, they're putting me in it, and it's like a recliner chair, but it doesn't have the part for my legs to rest on. But it does have sort of a diagonal footrest thing, and I put my feet on it. It's got corrugations on it, ridges, so my feet don't slide off, because it's on a slant. And they put my arms on the arms of this chair. Let's see, what does it remind me of? Kind of like a dentist chair. And a little bit like a beauty parlor chair. with arms that have some padding on them. And they put my arms there with my wrists hanging over the ends. This is kind of like a beauty parlor, in a way, because you know in the beauty parlor they have this heating hair dryer type of apparatus? (Yes) So they're putting something over my head from behind, that is part of this chair thing. It must be adjustable, and it fits right around my head. And there are some beings, one on each side, adjusting it. And this is a smaller room. It's not round.

Dolores: What do you think they're doing with that?
Barbara: (Wondering) I don't know. If they didn't look nice, I think I'd be really terrified. But I'm not terrified.
Dolores: Can you see how it fits over your head?
Barbara: No, because they put it on from behind. As I was approaching the chair I noticed it was almost like a beehive shaped thing, and it's smaller than the dryer at a beauty parlor. Anyway, here I am, and I'm sitting upright in this thing. They're pressing it in pretty firmly, and they seem to be adjusting it on my temples. I hope they're not going to make it too tight, because that's a tender area. It doesn't come down over my face, it's just on my head. Now I guess they've got it about as snug as they're going to get it. And the ones at the side are looking at me. (Laugh) They're really kind of cute. I mean, they still have that open curious look. And they're looking at my face and my head, and the temple area. They're touching it with their little bony fingers, and sort of nodding. And I'm just amazed that I'm not terrified. I'm curious, and so are they. And I'm thinking, "Wow! I'm really here. I'm really having this experience. These beings are really here, doing things here with me." They're starting up something right now. I can't say that I hear anything, but I feel a hum without hearing it. I guess that means feeling the vibration, but a very, very soft one. It's coming right through my head from all directions. And it's like they're telling me to "just relax your neck." And relax into this thing around my head.

Dolores: Are they telling you this by talking to you?
Barbara: No. I just know that's their thoughts, because they're not my thoughts. But since I'm going to be in this thing anyway, I'd like to relax my head and my neck too. And there is a neck support there. It's kind of hard, but at least it's something to sort of lean back into. It has a little padding on it just like the arms.
Dolores: And then what happens?
Barbara: I'm just sitting there wondering about it. And there are all these knobs, and other ones are coming over. Suddenly this small room has a lot of them in it. They're different heights too, like down on the road.
Dolores: Do they look alike?
Barbara: No, there's a taller one. It seems like a "he." He has a very, very bony white head, and different eyes.
Dolores: What's different about them?
Barbara: Well, they're really, really big. They're much bigger than the other ones, and a different shape. But you know, the neat thing is that all of these seem to have expression in their eyes. And I feel great interest, like an honoring. I mean, it's more than curiosity. It's like they're intently interested in what's happening, and I'm also feeling a great sense of approval. I mean, they're not moving around with excitement or clapping or anything. But I'm getting the feeling they're really happy they found this one. (Chuckle) Me. Because this one has a lot of information that they want. And it seems like they haven't had this one before, meaning me. I feel like I'm a new one, like a new subject, so they're especially interested. So I'm just sitting here. And they're all watching, and new ones come in. Nobody who comes in goes out, so pretty soon this little space is pretty crowded with different people. Some of them are even pushing past each other. (Laugh) Like those two little ones in the car.

Dolores: You said you felt this vibration. (Yeah) Where was the vibration?
Barbara: In my head. It feels like a hum, but I can't say I hear any sound. There's something, like a current, but it doesn't hurt or anything. It's very soothing, in fact. It's very relaxing.
Dolores: But you don't know what's happening?
Barbara: No. I just know they're very interested. It seems like they might be wanting to know what's in my brain.
Dolores: Can you ask any of them to tell you?
Barbara: Yeah, okay. I can't move my mouth, but I guess I can think it.
Dolores: Yes. Tell them you're curious.
Barbara: Well, there are two or three layers deep of these ... (Laugh) beings around. But I'm asking that taller one, who's kind of in the third row in front of me. The big tall one with the huge eyes, and the very bony white head. And it's amazing that I like him. I mean, normally if you saw something like that, you'd get the absolute creeps. But he seems to be really neat, so I'm just looking at him. And it's actually hard to look in both of his eyes, because they're wide spread, so that my eyes looking straight ahead don't quite match his. So I have to look at one or the other. My eyes are much closer together. (Chuckle) But still I can look at one eye and then the other. So I'm asking, "What are you doing? What's going on here?" And he is beaming back, "You are our treasured one." (Barbara became emotional and started to cry.) "We need to learn from you, just like you learn from us. And now we're meeting face to face." (She was now openly crying.) "And we can know what you know about us." (Her crying obscured the words.) "And it's very good." (Crying) Feeling completely honored ... and happy. These are tears of happiness.
Dolores: Then they're not tears of sadness or fear?
Barbara: Oh, no! (Crying) I'm feeling profoundly honored all the way through.
Dolores: That's very good. (I tried to make her objective again, so she could stop the emotions.) And how are they learning from you?
Barbara: (Regaining her composure.) He says, we're downloading information from your mind. And you know what that means now, Bonnie. Good for you! You're learning your computer, and you understand this now. We're just taking all that you know from all those people you've worked with who've had episodes -- interesting they call that "episodes" -- with ones like us. And we want to know how these people experience our interactions with them. We want to know how we affect them, and how they experience it, and what it means to them. And you know all that, Bonnie, from many people. And you've seen them change. You've seen them go from terrible fear and trauma, as you call it on Earth, to acceptance and peace. And in many cases wanting to know us better. As you too have been wanting to know us. As you have had some awareness of. And now you can. So this experience is for you too. You've been with us before. You just haven't thought so. And I'm thinking, "Yes, I have met with these bluish ones before, way back in 1742."
Dolores: (That was a surprise.) 1742? That is a long time ago.
Barbara: When I was a castle guard back in Wales. They picked me up bodily and brought me way, way, way, way, way, way, way out in space to where these silvery-bluish, beautiful ones with the liquidy eyes and radiating good will, greeted me. It was wonderful.
Dolores: So you've known them a long time?
Barbara: A long time. And I experienced being part of their group mind, which is really, really different.
Dolores: But have you known them since that time?
Barbara: I'm not aware of that.

Dolores: So they knew who you were, that's what you mean. All right. But you are on the ship experiencing this downloading. What happens after that?
Barbara: This doesn't even go on for very long, probably just a few minutes. It's hard to say. And I'm so dazzled by them. You see, the innermost ring of these beings are these beautiful silvery-bluey ones. They all look just like each other. And they exude a lovely gentleness and interest, curiosity. The tall one in the back is exuding really good will too. He's the one who's been talking to me.
Dolores: Well, what happens when they finish this?
Barbara: The hum feeling is stopping. And they're around the sides now where my temples are, opening something. I don't know if it's hinges or plates or something. And they're taking this apparatus off my head. I'm still sitting in the same position with my head upright. And the big tall one says, "Thank you. We appreciate your information. And we appreciate the work you're doing with people whom we work with. We honor you very much, and you will be absolutely fine. We're not taking away your memories. They're all perfectly intact. And we're very happy to have you share anything you want with people on Earth. Because it's important that they become very accustomed to the idea that we all exist. And that we interact with many, many of you."

I had become so engrossed that I forgot to watch my tape recorder. Barbara's recorder shut off, and that caused me to look at mine. It had almost reached the end of the tape. So while the man changed her tape, I took mine out, put a new one in, and continued.

Dolores: They're allowing us to have this information?
Barbara: He is saying, "Please do! Use any opportunity you can to share. Any group that you're in, any individuals you meet, any people you talk to. And you must begin acquainting your own family with this."
Dolores: What would he say to someone who thinks it's wrong to take their personal information?
Barbara: He says in the universal scheme of things it's not wrong. And someday, even though we -- meaning them. This is him saying this. -- Even though we are the ones learning much more about you at this time, you human beings, you Earth people, will have your turn eventually, learning more about us. And many of us want you Earth people to learn more about us. There are some that don't, but we do, because we're interacting for the common good. We are really working very hard through many Earth individuals to keep improving the quality of life on Earth. And it is very, very important for other people to know that part of it. There is needed a very large balancing and off-setting of the disaster modes that are so often presented to your societies. And you, Barbara, just inherently, always in your life anyway, are looking for balance, and mutual understanding. That is why you are one of the people we are working with. We even sometimes send people to you to work with. It may not seem like it to you, because they say they heard you speak, or they were referred by somebody whom you know. But we often are the ones impressing them and leading them to the lecture where they'll hear you, and learn where they can reach you. And they'll come and work with you, because you are one of the ones who's open for the balance, open for the good that many of us are trying so earnestly to achieve. It's very sad for us to see so many of the things going on amongst Earth people. And very sad for us to see the close-ness of mind to other beings in the universes. So when we find one like you, and others like you, you have no idea how much we honor you all. We honor that you learn and inquire and read, and you're open always to all the other inputs. And you share that with other people. The work that you're doing with other people to help them in this life to open up and accept the interactions with us, has a far greater affect on their souls than you realize. It's way beyond just this lifetime, for each of those people begins to integrate it and accept that they are interacting with us. So this has far longer effect, or far reaching effect than you can possibly know at this time.
Dolores: Then would I be allowed to work with Barbara again at another time?
Tall White (channeled): Oh, absolutely. We're very pleased that she's becoming aware of this.
Dolores: Then if I work with her again we would be allowed to have more information?

Tall White: Oh, yes. We would be pleased. We're making this experience very easy for her. We very much appreciate the fact that she is on her way home. And from her Earth perspective it's late at night, and it's a dark night, and she has many things to do. I want you to know that when we, as you might say, pick people up and take them for experiences, we choose very well the time in their lives that we do this. We do not pick them up when they're sick. We do not pick them up if they're about to have surgery. We do not pick them up if they're going through a marital crisis. Or if they've lost somebody very close to them through what you term "death." We choose oftentimes when they're not in the middle of anything exceedingly demanding or important of their time, attention or emotions. That's one of the reasons we tend to work so often with people when they're sleeping. To not interrupt their work day or their family life. We often meet with them and take them when they're on a vacation where they have leisure time. A friend of yours, Barbara, has been taken often on camping trips. Far more than he knows. And that is as it should be, because he's not stressed, and he doesn't have to function alertly the next day. So we try to be considerate. And with you yourself, you have a very busy time ahead. But here is a lovely window of time, driving home at night, late. And yes, you have a busy day tomorrow, but we're not leaving you with any traumatic effects or any body effects. We will just gently put you down, and you will continue on your way. And barely even know that anything happened, until you're ready to know.
Dolores: Can I ask what was the object by the side of the road?

Tall White: Oh! that object, that was one of our little scouting vehicles. We just simply made it look like something familiar to Earth people, like a big truck. And it was some of our beings that she saw walking around it.
Dolores: What was the glow behind the hills?

Tall White: That's another one of our ships. Actually there was quite a fleet of ours out here this night. And one of them was off behind the hill. There are some people who live off in the distant hillsides. There are many, many miles of just hills and valleys over there. Occasionally there's a dirt road and a house. And some of those are our people. Sometimes Earth people wonder why people continue to live in remote areas, if they're having these experiences.
Dolores: You mean the people living in the house are your people?(Yes) They're living on Earth, you mean?

Tall White: I'm referring to the people we visit and take with us.
Dolores: I see. I thought you meant people like yourself.
Tall White: No. We don't live on the Earth.
Dolores: These are people in isolated areas that you work with, in other words.
Tall White: Yes. Behind those hills where Bonnie was driving, there was one of our crafts. And some of them emit great amounts of light. And that particular craft was visiting somebody in a house. It's, oh, a series back there, of isolated rural homes, that you don't see from the highway.
Dolores: Then it was not the craft she is on now.
Tall White: No, no. It was another one. And, as a matter of fact, there was another one, from her perspective, down the coast. What she experienced as a bright sudden round flash without any sound, was simply that craft just popping right into her dimension. It only takes a moment, and once it gets into that third density, then it sort of evens out. It's only the collision point that causes the flash.
Dolores: The collision of the dimensions, you mean?
Tall White: Yes. The collision of the craft coming in from another dimension into the third dimension of reality. It often will make a flash. We do this a lot in the daytime, but people don't tend to see the flashes, because the sky is light from the Earth point of view.
Dolores: So once it enters the dimension then the light fades.
Tall White: Yes. It goes through an immediate adjustment to being .... I know it's hard for Earth people to understand, but it becomes more dense itself. The craft and those on it. And so they very rapidly enter and almost immediately adjust to being enough in the third dimension that, oddly enough, third dimension doesn't see it usually. They can see it, but they're usually not looking. You'd be amazed at how many of our craft fly around without anybody ever seeing us.
Dolores: (Chuckle) I wouldn't be amazed I know it can happen.
Tall White: And there is another thing. When we put her back again on to the road, we'll make every effort to put her back at pretty much where we took her. Which should be easy, because our craft is still down there. Sometimes we don't know exactly. But when we do she too will have to enter back into that third density.
Dolores: While she is on this craft she is in another density?

Tall White: Right here on the craft sitting in this chair she's not in as dense a form as she is when she's back on Earth in a third density.
Dolores: So you have to adjust the density as the car comes back down.
Tall White: Yes. Plus the fact that at that very second when she reenters there will be a flash of light. And it will be very startling to her.
Dolores: This is because of the two dimensions interacting again?

Tall White: Yes, because she's coming in from a lighter density to the denser third density. Just like there was that flash of light down the coast. There will be a flash of light right there on the freeway. And she will see it. She will be in her car. We'll put her back in her car here, and then we'll lower her down. She won't know any of that. And then suddenly there'll be this flash of light. And she'll be back on the road, motor running, driving again.
Dolores: But when this experience first began, she saw aflash across the windshield.
Tall White: Right. That's because she was starting, right then and there, with our help, of course, to enter into our dimension.
Dolores: So it created a flash also.

Tall White: Right. So as Earth people, Earth vehicles, Earth animals -- for that matter, Earth lifeforms of all kinds -- leave the third dimension and come into our lighter higher vibration density dimension -- at which there is a type of physicality, but not as "solid" -- although you don't even have that either. At that point there can be, and often is, this flash of light. Now, again, in the daytime most people don't see this; or if they're asleep at night they may not see this. Or they may experience just being in the beam of light, and not so much that flash. But sometimes when it happens very quickly, as it happened very quickly to her, there is this big flash. Now, many times we do it a different way when somebody is driving along the road. We will surround them with light, and render their car motor inoperable. Their car motor stops, their lights go out. We try to make sure they get over to the side of the road first, or off the road. We know what can happen there. It would be disadvantageous to all. But it's a slower process, and the person in the car is aware that the motor is going off. So there's not such a sharp sudden transition into our dimension. You see what I mean? The light pans around the car, the motor stops, the person's off the road. We show up, we take them through the car door, or open the door, as we did for her. And usually we'll bring them up in a beam of light. So in that case there's no flash. You see, it's a more gradual transition.
Dolores: So it can happen in two different ways. (Yes.) All right. We are running out of time in our place here.
Tall White: I understand that.

Dolores: So I would like to ask a few more questions. She said she saw something like a strip of light in the bright light. What was that?
Tall White: That's one of our laser effects. It's a very thin beam. And it actually came from our vehicle that was down there on the road. Actually that vehicle is still there. It's not actually on the road. It's just above the road. We don't really ever put any of our craft right on the earth.
Dolores: Why?
Tall White: It would be very harmful to our craft, because of the energy effects radiating around the craft, and under the craft, of course. Over the whole surface there is a radiating energy effect that helps us propel and fly. It would be interrupted if the bottom of the craft were to sit on the earth. So it has to hover, or sometimes put down legs. In this case it's just hovering. But it's quite close to the ground, so it appeared to her that it was.
Dolores: What was this laser effect you were talking about?
Tall White: It's just something we have on that small craft. We have them on all of our craft actually. They're instantaneous and very powerful. It's a beam of light. A certain quality, a certain frequency of light that has definite - I won't say "physical, physicality" - but it has a strength. It's very dense and compacted and concentrated in its frequencies, in its beam. It's really quite a narrow beam. Nowadays you have a little sense of this. when you people give lectures and show slides. You have a laser pointer. And you push a little button, and then over on the screen you see the red dot. Well, actually in between the gadget and the red dot there is a beam, a certain frequency. It's very narrow, and to the human eye, usually it's not seen. To our eye it's seen all the time. We see different frequencies. So this little beam of light was shot out to get her attention. And to let her know, especially later on, that something unusual did happen. But we don't want to do anything that will really frighten her, or traumatize her too much tonight, because we appreciate that she has the long drive home. And she has definite responsibilities this weekend, and needs to be refreshed and rested to do them.
Dolores: She said that the windshield cracked What caused that?
Tall White: That was the beam of light.
Dolores: The beam of light hit the windshield?
Tall White: Yes. It had so much strength.
Dolores: Was this intentional?
Tall White: Yes, it was. And the reason why it was on an angle, is because it came from slightly higher up in the craft. Remember I said the craft was hovering. It wasn't entirely down at ground level, as she was driving by in the car. So it came down slightly from above across her windshield. Because it's not physical we knew it would do two things. We knew it would make an impact, and make a mark on her windshield. We also knew it was not of such a density that it would cause her to swerve and have an accident.
Dolores: Did this hit the windshield before she was taken up into your craft, or after she was put back down?
Tall White: No. Actually we haven't even done that yet. What happened before was the intense bright light, and actually seeing the strip. We do have quite amazing ways, I imagine, from your point of view. (Chuckle) But we had her see the light. And then she drove up in it -- she was right -- on an angle. Then we lifted her the rest of the way to another craft overhead, while the other little one stayed down by the road. And when we put her down again, as I said, it will be as close as possible to exactly where we took her. If we can, we will take her down to that exact moment when she saw what she thought was a strip of something in that dazzling light. And then we will let the experience proceed. She will be impacted by that laser beam, and it will affect her windshield. So at this moment in time that hasn't happened yet. But time is so relative it's almost as if it has happened, because it will happen.

Dolores: All right. Well, as I said, we are under time constraints in our dimension here. (Yes) I would like to really thank you for communicating with me.
Tall White: I'm very glad to. Many of my fellows have communicated with you, Dolores.
Dolores: (Laugh) I didn't know if it was the same group or not.
Tall White: Well, you work with many groups. But I'm one of the groups, we are one of a number of groups. So I'm familiar with you.
Dolores: Then you know I'm always curious.
Tall White: Oh, and it's wonderful what you're doing worldwide. We are so pleased. We couldn't be more pleased.
Dolores: Then it's okay if I continue to work with ....
Tall White: Absolutely! And to share. We honor your writing and we honor your lecturing. And we honor your traveling. It's absolutely magnificent. You have a wonderful quality of being such a good human being that your fellow humans accept you. And they believe you. They open to what you are saying. You are a down-home regular person, who's actually far more outstanding than that. But that's what people have the impression of. You're a good motherly person they can trust. And that's tremendously important on the Earth today. That people hear this from likable, credible people.
Dolores: Then I have permission to contact you through Bonnie and we can obtain more information?
Tall White: Absolutely. Please do. We're delighted. And I would like to say before we finish, that the little ones around her are the very same kind that really did work with her long, long, long ago in another life.
Dolores: Because they live longer.
Tall White: Yes, we all live as long as we want to live, or need to live, to do the jobs we're doing. It's just as easy as that. And thank you for facilitating this experience. Thank you for helping Barbara with this.
Dolores: And you know I protect her and I always have her welfare at heart.
Tall White: I am sure you do. And she is sure of that too.
Dolores: Then can I ask you to depart? (Yes) And have her personality and consciousness once again return ....
Tall White: (Interrupted) We do need to return her however. And it won't take very long.

I had forgotten that we were out of their time sequence, but the taller being had not. We apparently had to go with his schedule before Barbara could be brought back to consciousness, and our present reality.

Tall White: The little ones are putting her back in the car. And the little
curious ones are backing away. And they're opening up the bottom of this big craft. She's been lowered down in light. By the way, there's still no one on that freeway. We have
influenced anyone who was going to go north or south on the 101 freeway at this particular time -- which is actually a very, very short period of Earth clock time -- to just not drive. So you'd be surprised at the people who are pulling off the road, and just being inspired to look at the ocean, or to have a little nap. There are many people out there who
were heading north and south, just having little naps. Just for a little while. Just a little snooze. We do this because we don't want them to see all this light effect.
Dolores: I'm sure it's not for them.
Tall White: Then we'll put her down on the road. She's going down now. She's down on the road. Whoops! There's the crack! Laser beam. Perfect timing! Absolutely perfect. We're very proud of that maneuver actually. (I laughed) And she's driving on. She's tempted to stop. But we are beaming through to her -- not the big voice of her soul necessarily -- but we are beaming to her, "Keep going! Don't stop! Keep going! Get out of here! Get home!" And that's what she's following. We had to get her on her way, because we have to open up the freeway again.
Dolores: Good And she knows it all now. And it's perfectly all right for her to know it.
Talk White: Yes, that's wonderful.
Dolores: All right. Now she's in the car going home. And you are departing with much love and much thanks. (Yes) And I will see you again some time.
Talk White: Thank you, my very dear. I then gave instructions for the integration of Barbara's consciousness and personality back into her body, and instructions for orientation back to this time frame. She then awakened, and began to ask questions about the session.

Bonnie's drawing of the symbols on the back of the "truck."

One of the men who was observing said he was amazed at the way the entity kept talking and was so fluent. Barbara said this is what happens when she works with her subjects also. She is apparently using the same type of technique to get past the conscious mind emotional state to where the real information is.

Barbara was full of questions, but I knew there was no time to answer them all. I had to get up at 3:00 a.m. to catch a bus back to Denver in order to catch my plane (a four hour drive). And Barbara and the two men were driving back to Colorado, a 2-1/2 hour drive. One of the men said he would drive, because I knew Barbara would be incapable after such a deep session. Barbara later said they played the tape in the car during the drive, and she was quite amazed at the information coming through her.

More at: http://disabled_http://galactic.no/r...Custodians.pdf

[turiya]

An excerpt from the above video is Cross-Posted to another thread...

Barbara Lamb: Some Regressed Clients Taken to "Galactic Council Meetings"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0f_-_b2EtXI

Chris Thomas has also pointed out that the "Tall Whites" are closely affiliated with the U.S. military, particularly within the deep underground military bases (DUMBs).

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Viewing the above video, and one could then understand better what is behind the information Corey is talking about in the following video. Although, Corey is not aware of the Velon, nor is he aware of Chris Thomas' research regarding the same.

Cosmic Disclosure Episode 1

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ukpPtzvracg

[Earthancestor]

Thanks Turya Great Work & Truth On Barbara Lamb/Corey Goode
The cabal has its masks, & traps, finally undone..

I'm sure your aware of the latest from:
http://exopolitics.org/cosmic-energi...-in-september/

For Me I whole heartedly agree with Mr. Thomas..."The Higher Self Can Not Be Fooled"!

[turiya]

Earthancestor,

Not sure of how much you have looked at (alot of pages, here), but I appreciate that you took the time to go through all of what you have looked at. I seriously doubt that many would spend the time to do as you have.

The Barbara Lamb stuff, more or less, unfolded unexpectedly for me. For example, on the 1st video I made the remark that it seemed that Barbara was being played with by the "Tall White" being, then later, while making the part2 video, and after finding that her regression hypnotherapy sessions (conducted by Dolores Cannon) were to be found in the last chapter of Dolores Cannon's book, "The Custodians". Then after reading that, I found it actually showed that the "Tall White" did, in fact, admit that he had manipulated the people that were abducted to seek out Barbara Lamb as clients for her to work on -- Unbelievable, to say the least.

I will click on that link to see where it takes me.
Thank you much.

Posted by Earthancestor (here)
Thanks Turya Great Work & Truth On Barbara Lamb!
The cabal has its masks, & traps, finally undone..

I'm sure your aware of the latest from:
http://exopolitics.org/cosmic-energi...-in-september/

For Me I whole heartedly agree with Mr. Thomas..."The Higher Self Can Not Be Fooled"!

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Just a side note...
The Velon have always portrayed themselves as the one's that will help humanity go through this time of change. That we need them to help us. The Earth needs them.

In this regard, I would use a bit of skepticism to believe that the so-called "Spheres" are in any way to help with this transition. Chris Thomas has always said that the Earth, the Sun & our Solar System (together with "Source") have all this under their management. ETs will not have anything to do with this. For the most part, the extraterrestrials are all here to watch us go through this transition. After all, we are the only physical race in the Universe - yes, Earth is that special. Any ETs claiming to assist the Earth, or humanity, in going through this upcoming change is purely bogus & manipulative rhetoric.

[turiya]

Other Individuals (Unknowingly or Not) Acting as Agents of the Velon

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=z32BIlzn38w

Kerry Cassidy / Mark Richards Interview RE: The "Tall Whites"

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=6wvU8gPnfR4

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From another thread:
Additional links provided by Bill Ryan (Christine providing commentary): https://bradleyloves.wordpress.com/2.../#comment-1882

The Sphere Being Alliance Souvenir Shop: http://spherebeingalliance.com/store

Special Added Note: Together with the Barbara Lamb interview, where she notes that a few of her regressed clients had been taken to "Galactic Council Meetings" & the affiliation that Barbara Lamb & her clients have had with the "Tall White" ETs (who also are known to have a close connection with the U.S. Military), this certainly suggests that these abductions (including Corey Goode) are Milab programmed mind-control / abductions (i.e. more likely a collaboration between the U.S. Military & the "Tall White" ETs (i.e. Velon).

[Earthancestor]

Very On Point Analysis... Thanks Again Turya!