A Flat Earth not Round ...?

[loveoflife]

This stuff just get weirder by the day.

Watch the first few minutes of this video. There is no time delay in space because there is no light, so there are no light years of distance for the light from stars has to travel.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=0VvRjwNlWwM

This video shows an image of Earth to be faked using photoshop.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=GEn98NAC6ak

[Mutchie]

You know YOU SHOULD OF POSTED Markksergents flat earth clues ....I watched them and his well laid out argument gets you thinking

The truth is I DONT KNOW FOR SURE ... I KNOW WHAT THEY TELL US ... I KNOW WE SEE PLANETS UP ABOVE ...

So WHY SHOULD EARTH BE DIFFERENT ??? Unless we ARE in some kind of controlled environment

The South pole ...WHY the treaty till 2041

[loveoflife]

Posted by Mutchie (here)
You know YOU SHOULD OF POSTED Markksergents flat earth clues ....I watched them and his well laid out argument gets you thinking

The truth is I DONT KNOW FOR SURE ... I KNOW WHAT THEY TELL US ... I KNOW WE SEE PLANETS UP ABOVE ...

So WHY SHOULD EARTH BE DIFFERENT ??? Unless we ARE in some kind of controlled environment

The South pole ...WHY the treaty till 2041

Yes the Antarctic treaty is strange indeed when investigated.

[Mike]

Posted by Mutchie (here)
You know YOU SHOULD OF POSTED Markksergents flat earth clues ....I watched them and his well laid out argument gets you thinking

The truth is I DONT KNOW FOR SURE ... I KNOW WHAT THEY TELL US ... I KNOW WE SEE PLANETS UP ABOVE ...

So WHY SHOULD EARTH BE DIFFERENT ??? Unless we ARE in some kind of controlled environment

The South pole ...WHY the treaty till 2041

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=_uHBFiAnpZs

[loveoflife]

Here is something else that i came across. This was used to prove that its impossible for a camera on Earth to pick up the the eruptions like that from 93 millions away with a 83x zoom ...

Does anyone have a better explanation?

These people are just showing off their cameras and as far as i know have no FE agenda.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Mnm-PgC9B78

Another interesting one. Where is the horizon?

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YnlRxtjTWWQ

[loveoflife]

Looking at the broader conspiracy.

There is so much information being posted on this topic, my head is spinning. I have taken in all of the basic science and anomalies regarding a flat earth versus a spherical earth, and yet more information keeps on coming. There are most definitely those on a mission to promote the flat earth model. I am not one of those, though what i am posting is in relation to a flat earth. Like everybody else i grew up on a spinning ball in space that orbits the sun etc.... , so i take that for granted. My aim is to understand both sides of this debate. I would consider my interest a hobby. I find it fascinating that there is an alternative model of earth can exist alongside the planet or plane i grew up on.

I found the following article (though biased) very interesting, as a major interest of mine is alternative history or histories that are suppressed and not so mainstream.

Here is one that pertains to the vatican who were advocates of a geocentric model and considered anything else heresy, then they switched to the heliocentric. They have also been building observatories since the 16th century, all very confusing as they remain in the sidelines regarding astronomy.

The Vatican set up one of the first observatories back in the 16th century and has continued to this day with the recent buildout of its newest observatory called LUCIFER, or LUCI, depending on what you read.

So it would seem that though the Vatican has held most of the knowledge of space for over three centuries now with all their observatories, they are only in the modern era beginning to exam the teachings of those scientists who changed the course of history and refuted the Roman Catholic Church.

Why Is the Vatican the Largest and Longest Owners of Telescope Observatories, Including the Newest Named L.U.C.I.F.E.R.?

Why would they then be the first to build telescopes to look into space and continue to this day? Why, when it took until 1992 for the Vatican to pardon Galileo?

The 500 year Great Lie can easily be understood in that the Vatican, the Royal Society of London and Nazi German run NASA have controlled all information from space about our place in the Universe and all stories related up until this very day.

All pictures, and stories of space come from NASA, yet little is heard from Vatican observatories as to their conclusions as to what their most sophisticated telescopes are finding. Why? The only answer being that central casting and planning want it that way.

Then a deeper conspiracy: a perusal of FE information does bring up the usual secret societies and conspiracies.

Early Masonic magicians like Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, and Newton, along with their modern Masonic astro-not counter-parts like Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins, hand-in-hand with NASA and world Freemasonry using everything from books, magazines, and television to computer-generated imaging, have succeeded, in the minds of the masses, to pick up the fixed Earth, shape it into a ball, spin it in circles, and throw it around the Sun! In schools where every professor’s desk is adorned with a spinning Earth-globe, we are lectured on the “heliocentric” theory of the universe, shown images of ball-planets and videos of men suspended in space. The illusion created, connivingly convincing, has entranced the world’s population into blindly believing a maleficent myth.

[loveoflife]

I suppose this is related to the pictures of earth from space.

Even when we look at pictures of galaxies etc, how do we know what is real?

Visualization Scientist Robert Hurt Takes NASA’s Space Images And Makes Them Beautiful

He strikes a crucial mix between aesthetics and hard science

[Jake]

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by Jake (here)
Shine a pointer lazer at the wall,, you only see the red dot,,, not a beam of light. Same basic concept.. Our eyes cannot see the light, only the refraction...

Shine that same laser into your face (hopefully a low power one that won't damage your eyes) and you can sure see it .

One cannot see photons that are going off in some other direction, unless some of them are scattered back at one's own eyes or other sensing equipment.

One can see photons that impinge on one's eyes, and one can build various kinds of sensors that will detect photons that impinge directly on them.

Confusiius [probably would have] said, "He who shines laser in eye, does Not see the light!"

Jake

[loveoflife]

Its the basic maths that does not hold up in a ball model that get me wondering. Where is the curve?

[loveoflife]

I like this video "TIME-LAPSE OF THE SUN PROVES FLAT EARTH". What intrigues me about this information is that science tells me one thing while observation and experimentation tells me another.

Time-lapse photography of the sun reveals that the sun is small, close, and illuminating locally as it traverses over a flat earth. *ALSO... PAY ATTENTION TO HOW THE RISING SUN COMES CLOSER TO THE CAMERA AND RISES FROM THE HORIZON IN A STRAIGHT LINE -- IT DOES NOT RISE IN THE SKY IN A BIG CURVED ARCH, KEEPING ITS DISTANCE FROM THE CAMERA. AND, AS THE SUN SETS, THE SUN LIGHT SHRINKS AS IT FOLLOWS THE SUN OVER THE HORIZON*. ...........

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=CjehvTBrsNA

[loveoflife]

It does seem that this thread is being mainly ignored and i have almost given up myself, if it was not not for new information coming daily. This information seems to be growing exponentially, with many staunch believers.

Eric Dubay has released a free pdf for anyone interested, which does not seem to the case on alternative forums, i find this this interesting as this subject is about as alternative as you can get. Though on social media and facebook it is becoming more popular. With this pdf and alot of information freely available in one place, i assume the popularity of this movement will continue. They do have compelling arguments. The time seems ripe for information like this to flourish, i wonder if critical mass will be reached when enough of the curious review this information.

200 Proofs Earth is Not a Spinning Ball I dont care what you say that is alot of proofs. I still remain an open minded sceptic, not only about this but much information in the alternative movement that many accept as truth simply because of a consensus of believers, and a desire to believe.

If the flat earth theory is a lie, i would like to see these 200 proofs taken sequentially and debunked. Surely someone is up to the job on a topic like this that could change everything. If anyone comes upon something like this i would be grateful for posting here. So far all i have seen is people taking on one topic in order to dubunk the whole concept. There are also many who have not investigated the subject and who are too lazy to do so, who keep demanding that the flat earthers prove it for them. It just shows have heavily we have been conditioned and indoctrinated into living on a spinning ball traveling through space with our star the sun at fantastic speeds.

26) Quoting “Heaven and Earth” by Gabrielle Henriet, “If flying had been invented at the time of Copernicus, there is no doubt that he would have soon realized that his contention regarding the rotation of the earth was wrong, on account of the relation existing between the speed of an aircraft and that of the earth’s rotation. If the earth rotates, as it is said, at 1,000 miles an hour, and a plane flies in the same direction at only 500 miles, it is obvious that its place of destination will be farther removed every minute. On the other hand, if flying took place in the direction opposite to that of the rotation, a distance of 1,500 miles would be covered in one hour, instead of 500, since the speed of the rotation is to be added to that of the plane. It could also be pointed out that such a flying speed of 1,000 miles an hour, which is supposed to be that of the earth’s rotation, has recently been achieved, so that an aircraft flying at this rate in the same direction as that of the rotation could not cover any ground at all. It would remain suspended in mid-air over the spot from which it took off, since both speeds are equal.”

[DarMar]

This thread as same as similar ones mostly ridiculed and highly evaded. Because most people are pretty sure we are on spinning ball in space.
And idea of anything else is funny.
Discussion goes wrong in fighting between two sides as i stated before on some similar threads. Flat vs sphere, black vs white, good vs evil and so on..
By banging on those two ideas and firmly choosing one it is hard to see whole picture. And it is hard to discuss those because both of sides ridicule each other to death. Dubay is ridiculing spherical earthers, some ridiculing him and endless pit is created. But it is always good to question both.
I like your dedication to discuss it, but this topic pull members in anger and ridicule because they simply cannot confirm any of those. Not knowing creates anger.

what makes spherical earther knowing one?
a) he saw with his OWN eyes ball earth from space (not RV or dreaming)
b) first thing he learned in school is globe model (any other answer to teacher is fail).. and constantly repeating it over and over through all schooling years (indoctrination)
c) nazi space agency shows us pictures and composites on daily basis, and there must be some other life on similar balls (hypnosis)
d) moon is round, so must be earth too! it all logical, and rocket science confirms it.

what makes flat earther right?
a) same as above.. he saw whole earth in all of it's flatness from above (not RV or dream)
b) he realised all schooling indoctrination is false and rejects globe model as another form of manipulation
c) he realises naza is full of **** sasme as all other TV programming manipulation scheme
d) moon is actually a disc, same as sun .. no sphere there so earth must be same.. rotation patterns, eclipses and perspective give it all out.. it's all logic ofc

And there are so much more to all of those. Same as sun is 400 times bigger than moon and "accidentally" or on purpose 400 times distant?
By science we are all accident and whole case is simply created in one bang, which goes along with couples banging each other to create new life and whole saturnian sexual cult which rules indoctrination feeding system nowadays.

Facts are hidden, questioning is ridiculed. Tells me more than i want to know
I wonder if Dubay would still be HC flat earth fan if he didn't had HC opposition he fights.

I still think this is most important question above all on this forum, and am ready to discuss it more openly than this i wrote, and things i wrote in past here.
But just from observing I see that not many are ready for openly discussing it.

I think i even started something about it, but could be long time ago.
Just will leave this here as a simple thought food.

Mother-Matter-Matrix
World-Womb-Whole

[loveoflife]

As i pursue this topic more anomalies in traditional mainstream science become evident. Apparently this experiment is omitted from academic curriculum's.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=SWmlimH7laY

An animated explanation of how Sagnac's experiment proved the existence of the aether, thus demolishing Einstein's Theory of Relativity. Complaints by two experienced physicists that when they were at university, they were never informed about this important experiment. When other experiments - Airy's Failure, Michelson-Gale's experiment (also not taught at universities!) and of course the famous Michelson-Morley experiment- a completely different picture of the cosmos emerges - with the Earth at the centre of the universe.

[loveoflife]

Here is something that relates to previous posts about light on this thread.

Flat earth or globe earth one think is certain Nasa and its inconsistency, lies and CGI graphics; after saying you cannot capture stars on film in space NASA produce pictures of stars in space.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wgdbZhnFD5g

[t2016]

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=87cWHh7t904

[Jake]

Scientists have NOT voted that the Earth is flat. Higs/boson determined No such thing... This is all mental gymnastics. To say that 'reality is created by conscious observation' is very true... to conlude, with all of the implications,,,,, that The Earth is Flat,,,,,,, is lazy.... (to be nice)

Jake

[Limor Wolf]

Scientists vote- the earth is Flat - 'And Why'

My own reply is in response to the why part- (Why this topic and others with absurdity comes up for discussion at this time and will continue in the near future)

Because.. these topics are deliberately meant to create confusion, they are meant to try and program the human mind in a double bind type of way (Double bind- a known method in programming), for anyone with good eyesight, it's possible to see such methods of contradicting messages implanted in the main stream media for public consumption (quite a few to are relating to research results) in order to keep the individual and collective in a place that they can not trust themselves and their knowledge. Twists and spins. Not if we listen to the knowledge within.

Better drop it ~

[DarMar]

Stars are not out there, they are right inside of one-self.
Light is not traveling from far far away to our vision, it is reflected from inside-out, it is reflected from inside onto black mirror firmament.
Through all programming functions is rather to say it is drawn outside and stolen from it's source. Bound in saturnian rings, residing inside cube.

Is first chicken or egg is not understandable even today and if you connect our naval cord, where does it lead as a source is understandable even less. As such is even ignored.
Mother and son, moon and sun is quite taken for floating spheres in vacuum of nothing, as it is reflected in peoples everyday lives.

Sci-entities describe universe by bound and is their best weapon, quite successful as i can observe. Planets are bound by invisible rings and rotate each other by "simple" provable mathematical equation.
Gravity is magic which keeps us down to ground and clouds up in air, and satellites and moons up there.

Nothing in this world works in the way you think it does.
This thread and similar flat-earth is made for confusion Limor? Please do tell me is anyone here and in world not confused at this moment already?
Why are you on this planet?
Where do you go?
Is there god and devil? go(o)d and (D)evil at all or it is all set division by purpose. if so why most choose one of those? for example most of them here has chosen good..
Division is already here and even before consciousness of our has been born, or not?

space bugs is not predictive programming? including space marines.
jump rooms are not confusing?
chan-EL-IN-G is not distracting?

complete etymology and phonetics is quite misunderstood and used as master programming tool.
so deep that makes anyone impossible to describe anything, and every single one will describe topic in it's own way. But not own way but rather learned way.
Most of people today are living inside cubical world bound by laws. (f-laws)

Threads like this re not here to make you believe that you live on flat plane, but rather to question spherical vacuum uni-verse.
Even most of people live in flat (apartment) living on plane(t). They do not quite ready to understand i'd guess.
I see threads like this to perpetuate questioning rather than imprinting them.

most flat earthers have found out flaws of spherical universe, and to good ear it is not automatically proof of flat earth.
Rather to question them both.

Why i stated this is most important thread here?
because of understanding. It is quite essential to understand from where light comes, at which points it bends and who for what purpose is sucking it.
is reality (real-ET) on this plan-ET inside or outside of us? are we all really divided?
is it really ExTernal source?

to fight for belief is it flat or round is simply just a fight. that it's purpose is.
Taking one of those beliefs for granted, is it really win-win situation?

None of us here saw earth from space, that's why it is belief and nothing more.
Same as seeing your body from outside. It is possible only in dream or astral projection... soul separation from body.

So.. do you still living on floating sphere in vacuum or a limited plane.. is a real question.
And most important in its essence.

[loveoflife]

The controversy continues. One thing is certain this topic is not going away anytime soon its popularity continues to grow.

The following could be on the spirituality thread though i am sure it would not be allowed. It is from a site that specialises in mixing spirituality and science. Its is also a good synopsis of the main points.

10 Arguments For The Flat Earth And What It Has To Do With Spirituality


I can see the reasoning and logic in this when i consider the agenda of a NWO.

“Our eyes and experience tell us that the earth is flat and motionless. Everything in the sky revolves around us. But when we cease to believe our own eyes and experience we have to prostrate ourselves at the feet of these psuedoscientists who are blinding us; treat them as experts. astronomical priests who have special imaging, only they can access, such as the hubble telescope. So by brainwashing us with something so gigantic and fundamental it actually makes every lesser kind of indoctrination a piece of cake.

Earth being a flat, fixed center of the universe which everything revolves gives it a special significance. Not only to earth but to us humans, the most intelligent of the designers designs.

By turning earth into a spinning ball around the sun, shot through space by a godless big bang, they turn humanity into a meaningless, purposeless accident of blind dumb universe.

So it’s like trauma based mind control, beating the divinity of us with their mental manipulation. This modern atheist big bang heliocentric globe earth chance paradigm spiritually control humanity by removing god or any sort of intelligent design and replaces purposeful divine creation with haphazard random cosmic coincidence.

And so by removing earth from the motionless center of the universe these masons have moved us physically and metaphysically from a place of supreme importance to one of complete nilistic indifference. If the earth is the center of the universe then the idea of god creation and purpose for human existence are resplendent.

But if the earth is just one of billions of planets revolving around billions of stars and billions of galaxies, then the idea of god creation and a specific purpose for earth and human existence become highly implausible.

So by serticiously indoctrinating us into their scientific materialist sun worship, not only do we lose faith in anything beyond the material, we gain absolute faith in materiality, superficiality, status, selfishness, hedonism and consumerism. If there is no god and everyone is just and accident then all that really matters is ‘me me me’.

So they’ve turned Madonna the mother of god into the material girl living in a material world. Their rich powerful corporations and their slick sun cult logos sell us idols to worship. slowly taking over the world as we tacitly believe their science sold to politicians buy their products, listen to their music, watch their movies all sacrificing our souls at the alter of materialism.

It’s a big deception. I’d say it’s the biggest cover-up and conspiracy in history.”

Eric Dubay

[loveoflife]

Posted by Limor Wolf (here)
Scientists vote- the earth is Flat - 'And Why'

My own reply is in response to the why part- (Why this topic and others with absurdity comes up for discussion at this time and will continue in the near future)

Because.. these topics are deliberately meant to create confusion, they are meant to try and program the human mind in a double bind type of way (Double bind- a known method in programming), for anyone with good eyesight, it's possible to see such methods of contradicting messages implanted in the main stream media for public consumption (quite a few to are relating to research results) in order to keep the individual and collective in a place that they can not trust themselves and their knowledge. Twists and spins. Not if we listen to the knowledge within.

Better drop it ~

Question everything.

I would rather be confused than have a certainty that the indoctrination that i have received is accurate and cannot be manipulated. Confusion is par for the course and something that is necessary to experience when challenging traditional belief systems in the light of a new paradigm.

My experience is that nothing is what it seems, this is confusing and disconcerting to live in a world without certainty and not knowing. It is also worth it as it leaves me open discovering what is behind all the deception.

Like it or not there are two models of the shape of the Earth and they are both backed up with scientific evidence.

The demarcation lines are being drawn are you a flathead or a globalist? This is the way of things in a dualistic reality, there are no absolutes.

There are always two sides to a coin. Two brain hemispheres. There is one energy with two complimentary or opposing polarities depending upon you point of view.