Did the Nazis have an atomic weapon? and did they develop a flying saucer to deliver the bomb ?

[Cidersomerset]

This has been speculated for decades and there are many docs and articles about it
on the web , but the mail on line who have featured more alternate articles than
most other mainstream outlets have put together a interesting article. There were
reports the Nazis did a deal with the west , and as the war was closing material was
shipped,to the US to enable the completion of the 'Manhattan project' and the
allowing of many top NAZIS to escape to South America via the Vatican and
appropriately named 'Rat Line' . This was finished off by the US grabbing as many
scientists,engineers and any other person thought useful under 'Project Paperclip'.
The UK and the Soviet Union also shared in the spoils of war.

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Britain freed 100s of Nazis under US pressure, claims historian

By ickonic on 1st August 2015 Illuminati Criminals, Political Manipulation



‘Britain freed hundreds of suspected Nazi war criminals involved in the Holocaust
under pressure from the United States, a leading historian has claimed.

Dr. Dan Plesch uncovered United Nations War Crimes Commission documents which
prove the Nazis were freed from British prisons under pressure from the US.
Among the suspected war criminals released was Oskar Groening – dubbed the
‘Bookkeeper of Auschwitz’ – who was handed a four-year prison sentence for
his role in the Holocaust earlier this month.Other prominent Nazis freed by the UK
were Erich von Manstein, Gerd von Rundstedt and Albert Kesselring.’

http://www.rt.com/uk/311240-britain-...ampaign=chrome


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Did Hitler have an atomic weapon? German documentary claims Nazis were
developing a ‘flying saucer’ to deliver bomb and had already started tests on
Russian POWs

By ickonic on 2nd August 2015 History Rewritten

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Did Hitler have an atomic weapon? German documentary claims Nazis were
developing a 'flying saucer' to deliver bomb and had already started tests on
Russian POWs TV documentary claims Nazis were close to developing an atomic
bomb
Had developed a 'flying saucer' device to drop the nuclear weapon
Tested it on Russian prisoners of war at Thuringia, eastern Germany
Quoted German scientists, eyewitness accounts and records left behind

By Allan Hall In Berlin for MailOnline

Published: 02:55, 31 July 2015 | Updated: 15:57, 31 July 2015

‘The Nazis may have been close to creating an atomic bomb and a ‘flying saucer’ to
it in the final days of the war.Tests of the device were even said to have been
carried out on Russian prisoners of war, according to a new German TV
documentary.‘The Search for Hitler’s Atom Bomb,’ which aired on the ZDF channel
this week, quotes sealed records from Russia and America that are said to prove
the Third Reich were close to creating a weapon of mass destruction.

The programme quotes interrogation reports of Nazi scientists, eyewitness account
and the records left behind by researchers, many of which were shipped to America
after the war.’Historian Matthia Uhl said the race to develop a Nazi A-bomb went
into overdrive in the final year of the war.

The programme focused on Hans Kammler, an S.S. general, who was given
175,000 concentration camp inmates to work in the V-weapons factories, tank
production lines and building secret bunkers for the Nazi elite.Kammler was one of
a very few who answered only to Hitler and was put in charge of the race for
nuclear fission.One of the projects he worked on was at Jonas Valley in Thuringia,
eastern Germany, and said to be the site of the Nazis' nuclear and space
programmes.

The USA has placed a 100 year secrecy order on the files concerning the valley and
what went on in the secret tunnels the Nazis carved into it.


Tests of the device were even said to have been carried out on Russian prisoners of
war, according to the documentary by German channel ZDF



Tests of the device were even said to have been carried out on Russian prisoners of
war, according to the documentary by German channel ZDF.Russian intelligence
reports claimed Nazi Germany was 'in the throes of making and testing a new
secret weapon, which has a large destructive force'Now officially sealed off,
authorities play a cat-and-mouse game with conspiracy theorists every weekend at
the site who believe the Americans found two things in the tunnels - a nuclear
bomb and flying saucers meant to deliver it.

ZDF quoted from reports by Russian military intelligence agents who said there
were two nuclear tests in Thuringia.One read: 'The Germans are in the throes of
making and testing a new secret weapon, which has a large destructive force.
Had the Nazis succeed in creating the weapon of mass destruction it could have
changed the course of history. Pictured: The mushroom cloud after an atomic bomb
was dropped on Nagasaki, Japan



SS general Hans Kammler
Had the Nazi project overseen by SS general Hans Kammler succeeded, it could
have changed the course of history.

The Jonas Valley in Thuringia, eastern Germany, was said to be the site of the
Nazis' nuclear and space programmes

A ventilation shaft in the hills at Thuringia: The Nazis carved miles of underground
tunnels using a workforce of prisoners of war


ZDF quoted Russian agents as saying that two nuclear tests had taken place in Thuringia

'The available bomb has a diameter of 1.5 meters. It consists of interlocking hollow
balls.'Another Russian report said: 'Communicated by our reliable source from
Germany: the Germans have conducted two explosions in Thuringia with great
force.' Declassified American intelligence reports showed that America's supreme
commander in Europe, Dwight Eisenhower, ordered reconnaissance flights over the
area but they proved inconclusive.But the programme was unable to find where
the weaponised uranium the Nazi scientists would have needed for the bomb came from.

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[Baby Steps]

There was supposedly a Swedish diplomatic memo from observations of a new weapon used at Kursk, the diplomat observed that the victims were charred and all their ammunition had exploded.

[Cidersomerset]

There was supposedly a Swedish diplomatic memo from observations of a new weapon used at Kursk, the diplomat observed that the victims were charred and all their ammunition had exploded.

Yeah I saw that somewhere , but they must of been experimental, as Kursk was in
1943 the biggest Tank battle ever fought , and one of the major turning points of
the war on the Eastern front , after the Stalingrad disaster several months earlier.
If they had these warheads in any volume , there would of been time for them to
change the war for the Third Reich. Hitler kept saying he was waiting for the 'secret
weapons' , some were used like the V1 and V2 and the first operational Jet fighter.
But the real exotic weaponry never made it to the battlefield , though a few
prototypes may have.....

[OBwan]

The Germans did not have enough Heavy Water. Time 42:00 discusses this fact. The end of the video shows an unfinished reactor.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=11rTqgphozg

[regnak]

Yes the germans did have nuclear weapons only used on the Eastern front

The heavy water was produced at Auschwitz IG Farben plant it was called a rubber plant built using slave labour cost 2 Billion . During the war not one piece of rubber was produced but quite a lot of heavy water was produced .The allies knew the plant was bombed many times it was only levelled when the Russian approached who could not let the technology into there hands . Auschwitz was built as a slave labour plant for IG Farben .

Why were not London or New York nuked .

Well if the War World War 2 had carried on another few weeks it would have been problem was a delivery device . The plan was for a b-52 German based in Norway to nuke both London and New York test flights were flown to both places from Norway in which the allies found a huge airstrip with unusually planes .

The Japanese also had nukes tested in North Korea . They sent submarine over the north pole in which they got all the German latest planes, heavy water in exchange for gold. However when Germany surrendered a deal was done with Americans and the submarine surrendered to Americans who dropped the nuked on Japan ( the nuke was made in Germany )

[OBwan]

The Haigerloch Museum is discussed in the following video. This is the location where the Germans were experimenting with a reactor. They did not get it working according to the video.Parts of the reactor that was blown up by the Americans is shown at the 3:40 time mark.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=xVG5lWn4hd8

[regnak]

Yes they got it working it was all kept secret after the war in reality the Russia lost 30 million more men than history shows it was a horrible war in the east there are books written about the secret history I read about it some where

All the nurses were briefed in London on how to deal with a nuclear bomb blast . I think if the German high command really wanted London could have been nuked
but it would have made no difference the war was lost the west was needed to curtail Russia.

2 billion in today money is like 2 trillion dollars this is just on one plant the Germans had a few facilities the United States in total spent 2 billion on atomic bomb the Germans spent much more than the allies on atomic bomb Hitler secret weapon this weapon was shown off as a demonstration to head of Italy.

Allies were very smart building a telephone line from London to Washington so smart that Hitler built a plant in France to decode there telephone conversations every morning a transcript was placed on Hitler desk of there conversations were only secret information was discussed . Churchill sent couple hundred bombers to destroy this plant during the war.

The Germans were not fools despite what the history books say Hitler allowed the British to escape at Dunkirk it was no secret he wanted Europe said British can have the waves .

[Snoweagle]

Posted by jonsnow (here)
. . . The Germans were not fools despite what the history books say Hitler allowed the British to escape at Dunkirk it was no secret he wanted Europe said British can have the waves .

Quite agree, it does appear the "Germans" weren't fools. But they made mistakes and Dunkirk was one of them in my opinion. I do not accept, nor do some other historians, that Hitler allowed the British and French to escape from Dunkirk, in fact, evidence clearly suggests the German forces threw whatever they had available in the battlefield against the trapped British annd French troops on the beachhead. The German logistics failed by miscalculating the movement of it's land forces forward into Belguim and France, across the battle line overcoming the delays of such a concurrent mass movement. The delays by Whitehall, the war cabinet, of nine days (9 days) to organise a recovery fleet is shameful and I contend, deliberate. There does appear to be collusion between Germany and Whitehall.

Did the Germans under Hitler have a nuke? Yes quite probably and highly likely. Because Germany was the centre of money investment in science. especially in the fields of electrical, electronic, radio and high voltage technologies of the time. Whether a bomb or evidence of such exists is somewhat immaterial as the emerging evidences certainly appear to suggest it is highly likely that that was the case.

Evidences not considered here, slightly off target but nonetheless relevant is this article from Veterans Today with regard the relationship between Winston Churchill and the Zionists and germany in particular:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/08...-about-hitler/

So, if the Germans did have nukes in the mid 1900s we can all be thankful that they were not used. But what could be worse than having them and not using them? Would capitulating the technologies to the "apparent" victors have been worse, especially in light of the subsequent use over Japan?

Or how abouts a new piece of research proclaiming Angela Merkel as Hitlers daughter. And Hitler was a son of a Rothschild. In view of how we see this world now shaping around us do we not see this as quite likely an emerging truth. If these family relationships do exist then it is clear to see there was ample opportunity for the nuke to be financed and deveoped in absolute secrecy. Much as we see with global politics being the same today.
So here are the liinks to Angle Markel allegedly being Hitlers daughter:
http://www.tirnasaor.com/forum/topic...ler-s-daughter
https://dublinsmick.wordpress.com/20...ughter-angela/
(load of references for research and consideration)

[Cardillac]

ohh, Lordy, people, before I orthographically "lose it" on this website please first read Dr. Joseph Farrell's monumental works "The Reich of the Black Sun" and "The SS Brotherhood of the Bell"- according to Farrell's research (and it's incredibly thorough) German scientists were the 1st to successfully test the atom bomb in Germany in 1945 and this handing-over of their technology (+ much enriched uranium which the US had not achieved) to the US was part of Operation Paperclip-

other sources I've accessed state German scientists were the 1st to split the atom in 1938; at least 2 yrs. ahead of the US-

Hitler was a bastard Rothschild (read David Icke among other sources)

@snoweagle

"Or how abouts a new piece of research proclaiming Angela Merkel as Hitlers daughter"- well, according to my read sources there were preserved frozen samples of Hitler's sperm (yes, he was a bastard Rothschild- overwhelming evidence out there) and if one carefully, comparatively looks at Angela Merkel and photos/film footage of AH one sees baffling similarities...

the Rothschilds/Rockefellers always have their filthy paws in every country (thanks to their bastard children who've grown up under different names but are their lackeys; another example: Bill Clinton, reported son of Winthrop Rockefeller) and every influential aspect of our lives-

be well all-

Larry

[Carmody]

Apparently they thought the weapon was incredibly inhumane and refused to use it. The other side of the coin, is...aside from that research, in related areas...they had moved beyond atomic weapons.

Into "xerum 525", which was derived from the Nazi Bell ('Die Glocke'--wiki, probably misinfo) experiments. Things which tore apart atomically, that made nukes look like firecrackers. To add, no radiation signature. No radiation in the build or storage and no radiation in it's use.

(you will read that the opposite is true. Ok, it was a real radiation show during the build, but use was a different matter. It was 'charged up', via extreme electrical voltage and current fields, in extreme speed rotation. By the way, the white powder of gold, also required that it be 'charged', and can be charged to many different levels. in the same way we recently find that we have 4 different types of water, with different interlocking atomic structures. So...the same guy who asked for funding to pursue transmutation and alchemy, in the 1920's in a newspaper article, runs their Nazi Bell and extreme level programs ('KammlerStab') At the same time, Professor Nagaoka appears on the scene)

Which is therefore truly atomic..and..quantum as devices go... whereas nukes, as we know them, are like banging rocks together. Literally. To recall that the man in charge of that section was Water Gerlach, who was interested in ALCHEMY and transmutation.

Walter Gerlach was into the idea and reality of: space-time control and breakdown, ie the engineering of space, reality, atomic structure and dark matter. Polarizing and controlling space time fields.

To add, he was the 'Original', along with Stern. (it is important to understand that the experiment was a proof for something he had already surmised, ie he was long past it. This, in 1921. He did not try a thing, the experiment...and find an unexpected result and then try to figure it out.. no..he knew a thing and then had to design a foolpoof correct experiment to show it conclusively to the rest of the world. These are two very different mental positioning considerations.)

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Stern, Otto and Walther Gerlach
Ein Weg zur experimentellen Prufung der Richtungquantelung - Stern, Otto and Wal - 1921. [161830]
1921. First edition. No Dust Jacket. Stern, Otto (1888-1969). et al. (1) Ein Weg zur experimentellen Pr?g der Richtungsquantelung im Magnetfeld. In Zeitschrift fur Physik 7 (1921): 249-253. (2) (with Walter Gerlach [1889-1979]). Der experimentelle Nachweis des magnetischen Moments des Silberatoms. In ibid. 8 (1921): 110-111. Together 2 whole volumes. [iii]-vi, 414; iv, 419pp. Braunschweig: Fried. Vieweg & Sohn; Berlin: Julius Springer, 1921-22. 224 x 149 mm. Vol. 7 in half morocco, cloth boards, a little rubbed; Vol. 8 in half cloth, marbled boards. Library stamps on titles.First Editions. Stern, whom Emilio Segr?onsidered "one of the major physicists of the century" (p. 138), developed Dunoyer's molecular beam method and used it to devise what is now known as the Stern-Gerlach experiment, which demonstrates the reality of space-quantization of atoms. This experiment had an enormous impact on modern physics, and has become a paradigm of quantum measurement.Spatial quantization had been introduced as a theoretical concept by Sommerfeld in 1916, but no one before Stern had ever demonstrated its existence, and some quantum physicists even considered it to be nothing more than a mathematical tool. In his 1921 paper, Stern proposed an empirical test: "If an electron in an atom carried a magnetic moment of about 1 Bohr magneton (= eh/4 me), an atomic beam of silver atoms should split in passing through a magnetic field of strong inhomogeneity" (Twentieth Century Physics, p. 164). In the 1922 paper, written jointly with Walther Gerlach, Stern described the initial results of their experimental work. In three later papers (not included here) Stern and Gerlach continued their investigations, which provided direct experimental proof of directional [space-] quantization in a magnetic field.
[Bookseller: Jeremy Norman's Historyofscience.com ]

https://www.vialibri.net/item_pg_i/1...rufung-der.htm

http://web.uvic.ca/~rlipson/C347-201...20UNFILLED.pdf

In order to take atoms apart, to unpack them, or to change (ratchet up) their electron orbital energy stability, to crank them up to different energy levels, one would require a multi-spin and an applied polarized field, in both current and voltage domains.

That would be the next step from Gerlach's field splitting in 1921, as that was a simple field splitting, in one direction only. The multi-spin work, to energetically crank complex atomic structures...that...was the Nazi Bell. A side effect was anti-gravity and extreme radiation.

[Cidersomerset]

German scientists were the 1st to successfully test the atom bomb in Germany in 1945 and this handing-over of their
technology (+ much enriched uranium which the US had not achieved) to the US was part of Operation Paperclip-

Joseph Farrell suggests from his research the Germans tested their first nuclear
warhead /exotic weapon around 0ct 1944 aprox 7 months before the surrender on
the 7th May 1945.

Joseph P. Farrell - The Nazi A-Bomb - pt 1 of 4......runs consecutively

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=ldQUjd5MIV4

[Cidersomerset]

In this doc it tells the story of how the US got hold of uranium bound from Germany
to Japan. But on route the Germans surrendered and ordered all U-boats to surrender
to the Allies , some are suspected to have made a run for South America possibly with
Hitler himself , but that's another story ...LOL .U-234 surrendered to the Americans and
the cargo destined for the Japanese atomic project, ended up in Los Alamos and was
absorbed into the Manhattan project to bomb Japan and end the war.

Nazi Uranium for the Manhattan Project: 1945 WWII: U-Boat U-234 with U-235 cargo

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pNLRmDFx8Xw

[Cidersomerset]

Joseph Farrell referenced this in his interview above , the scientists rounded
up and kept in comfortable captivity as they did with senior German military
officers . Then they recorded their conversations at first they were cautious,
but eventually they felt relaxed and let their guard down and talked freely
to each other. In this way the intel agencies got a lot of intel with out
the need for interrogations , which are hit and miss most of the time.

It concludes that Germany did not pursue seriously a nuclear bomb programme
and that the decision to go for the V1 and 2 rocket systems instead , killed the
funding and Hitler probably did not know much about it. The reasoning and
statements and reconstructions are convincing and plausible , an interesting
and informative documentary. All the main atomic German scientists are
accounted for and this seems to be the official view , by the release of the tapes
which was the basis for this documentary .

But is there more to this story ? Well Joseph Farrell and others think so , and
were there other secret research by the SS ? who may of had off world help ?

BBC Horizon s1992e07 Hitlers Bomb

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=pRGCMA4xBD4

[Cidersomerset]

I have posted this relatively recently on another thread, which I cannot remember
off hand....Joseph says near the start to take it that the NAZI did have a exotic
weapon that was more advanced than the conventional atomic programme and
was run by the SS . So the scientists in the Horizon doc above may not have
been included in that programme , maybe as being high profile pre -war civilian
scientists they were not trusted by the SS ?


Project Camelot Interviews Dr. Joseph P. Farrell: Nazi International

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=bpvTWMzHbUI

Uploaded on 22 Sep 2011

Project Camelot Interviews Dr. Joseph P. Farrell: Nazi International (February 2009)

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[Selkie]

Have you read The Hunt for Zero Point, by Nick Cook? It seems the Nazis probably really did have had some sort of anti-gravity craft. I also think its significant that the U.S. gov't brought Victor Schauberger to the States after the war.

p.s. I haven't watched the videos, so I apologize if what I've posted has already been covered.

[Aspen]

I seem to recall that there was some evidence that the Germans had reverse engineered a UFO saucer type craft that had crash landed in the Black Forest area. Apparently the Nazis worked on this project only to discover that because of the space time field technology that propelled the craft that they were not able to weaponize it. That would explain a lot. Also, after seeing the videos with photographic evidence that the Antarctic base was used for these saucer shaped craft, I have wondered if maybe the Nazis decided they didn't want to bother ruling this planet , but instead went into outer space. It would make sense that an ego maniac (which Hilter may have been) would want to control more than just this planet if he had the technological ability to go for more . . . .

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=MwUpPwyyvLw

[Cidersomerset]

A fun collage............Of possible ET links to the atomic and nuclear projects ,some
possibly having input ? others observing or monitoring ?








Mean while At Los Alamos and Roswell............

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=H0tGYguP3IA

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=548HTymqpcY

Now Major Marcel was intelligence officer to the only atomic base in the
world at the time . I think as he says in his own words that he knew what
a weather or target balloon was , and the nature of the material was
nothing he had seen before. As he says the whole thing was covered up,
but not buried.....

Its got similarities to Rendlesham in the sense that it stored nuclear weapons and
home to another elite strike squadron of the USAF . Col Halt base deputy
commander another high ranking airforce officer witnessed and recorded the
landing of craft or probe that was definitely not terrestrial .




BBC Headline page 13 July 2015 ....Rendlesham Forest UFO sighting 'new evidence' claim

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...evidence-claim

[Aspen]

Another thought - perhaps the rocket technology was focused on during the last year of Hitler's reign because he still planned to drop a nuclear bomb on England. Maybe they could not figure out how to use the saucers for this purpose. I had also heard via my father, that Hitler lost all his fighter jets during the last months of the war. There was effectively, no airforce left. Can anyone verify this? So perhaps if he had still possessed aircraft or rockets capable of delivering a nuclear bomb to England he may have been planning to do so. I do find it highly ironic that the evidence seems to indicate that the nuclear material that was being delivered to Japan may have been intercepted and that same material may have been used against Japan. Ironic and very sad. Many strange turns of events have occurred in history.

In checking with Wikipedia it seems the major problem in the last months of the war was not so much lack of aircraft as it was lack of fuel. There were still some aircraft but the were no longer flying over the English channel at that point. The german fighter craft were busy in the air over Germany itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...939%E2%80%9345) Notably, even at the end of the war the enemies of Germany were impressed with the new technologies of the jet fighters they were finding. Apparently the fuel was inadequate from the time of Sept. 1944 when the Allied forces invaded Romania were the gas fields were.

[Cidersomerset]

In checking with Wikipedia it seems the major problem in the last months of the war was not so much lack of aircraft as it was lack of fuel. There were still some aircraft but the were no longer flying over the English channel at that point. The german fighter craft were busy in the air over Germany itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operat...939%E2%80%9345) Notably, even at the end of the war the enemies of Germany were impressed with the new technologies of the fighter craft they were finding.

I was about to say that , there were still planes but the lack of aviation fuel and
trained pilots had took its toll. Also the allied airforces now including the large
Russian one as well as the RAF and USAF and commonwealth and other squadrons
swamped them day and night.They did have the first operational fighter jets ,but
not enough of them.



Germany's secret flying weapon, the Messerschmidt Me 262, arrived too late to
save Hitler's Third Reich from its downfall. It was the world's first ...



Messerschmitt Me-163 Komet 1941


http://www.aviastar.org/air/germany/me-163.php

[Aspen]

The same as the article quoted in the OP other articles in news media all over the world are also doing stories on this documentary.

Why release this information now? Is it part of a gradual disclosure about possible ETs or is it a disclosure about true history. Hopefully both!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/...ia-Uhl-Britain according to this article released July 31, 2015:
"A German TV documentary revealed the Nazis were incredibly close to developing the weapon of mass destruction.

According to the documentary, called 'The Search for Hitler’s Atom Bomb’, the research was so advanced that Russian prisoners of war were sacrificed to test the bomb's efficiency.

The documentary, which aired on the ZDF channel, quotes sealed records from Russia and the US which suggest that frenzied research brought the Third Reich within inches of producing the bomb.

It quotes Nazi scientists' interrogation reports, eyewitness accounts and records left behind by researchers.

Historian Matthia Uhl claims the race to create the A-bomb intensified in the last year of the war - with Germany being defeated on every front."

"The programme centres on S.S. general Hans Kammler who was in charge of the race for nuclear fission.

Kammler - who one of a handful of Nazi officials who answered only to Hitler - was handed 175,000 concentration camp inmates for slave labour in the V-weapons factories, tank production lines and for building secret bunkers.

One of Kammler's main projects was the Jonas Valley in Thuringia, east Germany, the alleged site of the Nazi's nuclear and space programmes.

One test was reportedly conducted at the beginning of March 1945.

The US has placed a 100-year secrecy order on the files concerning the valley and what went on in the secret tunnels the Nazis carved into it.

Conspiracy theorists believe the Americans found two things in the tunnels - a primitive nuclear bomb and a flying saucer designed to deliver it.

In the later stages of the war there were apparent sightings of flying saucers - dubbed "foo fighters"."