WADE FRAZIER : A Healed Planet

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I have a little time before I will likely be fairly quiet for a few days. On this series of vaccination posts, I need to make the same disclaimer that I make in my medical racket essay: I am a layman, and don’t give medical advice. All I can do is report my experiences and the results of my studies/investigations.

After I staggered out of Ventura in 1990, radicalized, I began to hit the books, hard, and I never really let up. I had incredibly worked for a company that was nearly wiped out by the medical racket, when I still lived in Ventura, so I had already received both barrels of how the energy and medical rackets work before I ever began to study them. As I have stated many times, if not for those early radicalizing experiences, I likely would not have much worth saying. All of that study is a pale reflection of the education gained from experience. You can study warfare for a lifetime, but you will learn more from ten minutes on a battlefield. That is why I say that somebody needs to have already been awakened before they encounter my work, otherwise, it won’t mean much to them, or it will seem like empty theorizing, of the kind that abounds on the Internet.

In my radicalized state, I began my deep dive into many subjects. I had already been quite the mystical student for many years (again, without my mystical awakening, my studies would have been rather empty), and began rapidly building my already formidable mystical library. I began studying the media, thermodynamics and numerous scientific topics, the history I was not taught in school, and so on. In the fall of 1990, as the war drums were beating for the first war that the USA directly inflicted on Iraq, I obtained Medical Dark Ages via reading about Royal Rife, and soon encountered Christopher Bird's book on Gaston Naessens. Bird was planning on writing a biography on Yull Brown before Bird died, and I read most of the articles that he wrote about Yull and Brown's Gas before I met Yull in preparation for Dennis's Philly show. Before long, I was reading about Antoine Béchamp and obtained his only book that has been translated into English, as far as I know.

A lot of territory is covered in that previous paragraph, and what I can say, as a prelude to the discussion of it, is that the entire germ theory of disease may rest on a pretty shaky foundation, and was concocted by an opportunistic chemist who was trying to get rich and famous, and an entire line of microbiological fact and theory has been ignored by establishment science ever since. The facts and theories were not concocted by some scientifically illiterate activists, but by scientists on the leading edge of investigation, with incredible tools (1, 2) that mainstream science still denies even existing. That denial can be mind-boggling, but I had already seen how the best heating system on Earth was buried under lies and denial (with the disinformation being purveyed to this day and defended, even by Dennis's so-called "allies,"), so I was not shocked by what I found. I later discovered that Godzilla's Golden Hoard is indeed impressive, so learning that entire lines of inquiry have been forbidden, while the medical establishment served up fluoridation and asbestos cigarette filters, was no great surprise.

But for now, it is off to a busy next few days. I'll be back soon.

Best,

Wade

[Servant Limestone]

Hi:

I want to apologize to Ms. Melinda because I'm linking to her work in Future Earth without her permission but I think you all have to see this. She just posted again in one of my favorite places in the Internet, aside from Wade's site of course.

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post987040

It's amazing isn't it?

Thanks for your great work Ms. Melinda.

SL

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Briefly, I just got back from taking my nephew where the attached pics are. I took a hike by myself there last year. But it is my first backpack to that vicinity since 1986. The picture of that valley and ridge was taken literally at our campsite. The old man can still hoist 50 pounds up a mountainside. My nephew is a track star runner, and while the old man was plodding along, he ran the trails, running circles around me, literally, and he ran into a prancing buck on the Pacific Crest Trail. That is him, in my space age raft (which I have had since 1984), at that lake that you can see far below us in the other picture. It was as good as it gets. In this epic drought year, there were no bugs, which was a pleasant surprise.

Melinda's earth post is just what we have come to expect from her.

SL, maybe somebody can explain it to me, but I do not see why anybody needs to ask anybody's permission to link to anything on the Internet. When you post something on the Internet, it is for public viewing, by definition. The entire Internet is nothing but a web of links to what people publish in this open medium, the likes of what has never been seen before, which is why I am taking advantage of it like I am.

Best,

Wade

[Krishna]

"Why Isn't the Whole World Developed?" by Richard A. Easterlin
My incoherent notes:

• Mass primary education comes before economic growth and is a necessary condition for growth.
• Elite education not enough
• Growth of primary education related to decolonization from European powers, Japan w.r.t. Korea is different, shifts in political power from religion to state, reduction of monarchs power, communist governments encouraged education.
• Shifts in education cause shifts in culture and economic orientation e.g. China
• We will become an industrialized global culture

Needless to say it assumes current energy trajectory, no global warming, no energy crisis etc...

[Servant Limestone]

Hi Wade:

Sorry, I am just being careful about "intellectual property" stuff and I don't want to possibly offend Melinda about posting something without informing her, if she's that type of a person, which I think she's not but I am just being careful. I'm being too careful, I guess. Hehehehe. Sorry.

Thanks,

SL

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Freeknowledge, yes indeed, that is the kind of paper that social scientists write. Not a word about energy, of course. I recommend Earl Cook's Man, Energy, Society, or Hall and Klitgaard's Energy and the Wealth of Nations, as an antidote to the social musings of economists. What social scientists fail to understand, especially economists, is that without the resources to put that education to productive use, and energy resources most of all, by far, all the education in the world means nothing. Even "radical" economists suffer from that blindness. Finding more equitable ways of slicing up humanity's scarce economic pie is not radical at all. Those social scientists assume the means of production and resource availability, and then try to graft their social theories on top of it. They have it exactly backwards.

Again, the first thing that the Japanese did, once the USA forced them into the international scene, was look to see whom they could conquer and plunder, like the European powers did. It was their only available trajectory to national wealth, and they realized it. They were soon battling their neighbors, and they developed a "Manifest Destiny" ideology toward China and East Asia, just like the USA did toward North America, just like Hitler did toward Eastern Europe (after studying the various imperial models, Hitler preferred the English/American model of invasion and annihilation, and then "settling" the cleared lands). Invading Manchuria was part of that Japanese resource aspiration, and it helped lead to World War II. Both World Wars had battling over oil resources as chief strategic goal, if not the strategic goal. Germany and Japan came late to the imperial table, and there were only crumbs left for them. The world's poor nations do not have access/control of energy resources, oil most importantly, and that is why they stay poor. "Lucky" ones that became strategic members of the USA's Grand Area, such as South Korea, industrialized under the USA's aegis. The Japanese economy was revitalized after World War II as it helped the USA rape Korea and Southeast Asia. Heck, the radiation from atom bombs still filled the air as the USA used Japanese troops to try to keep Southeast Asia in the imperial fold. As long as they were our troops, all was well. Chomsky has written extensively on that subject.

Although the Church banned the Ancient Greek teachings, they did not ban Greek technology, and the watermill was well on its way to universal use in Western Europe (and taking advantage of the Medieval Warm Period) by the time those "lost" Greek teachings were introduced. Rising standards of living ended slavery, not some bout of conscience or sudden enlightenment or education. It was always an economic institution, first and foremost.

Many civilizations collapsed when they ran out of energy. It happened from Sumer onward, through Greece and Rome, and today, as we are quickly depleting the world's oil supplies, the collapse of industrial civilization beckons, and social scientists are generally oblivious to it. They can't see the forest for the trees. Historians and other scholars debated the Fall of Rome for centuries, attributing it to this and that, but it was all about running out of energy, as scientists discovered when they investigated the issue.

Modern economics is not really a science, but apes science's trappings. Real scientists don't have much respect for economists. That paper concluded with what I consider to be one of the primary canards of economists: unlimited wants and limited ways to satisfy them, which will keep people in constant conflict with one another, as each tries to exploit the other. It is partly why economics is called the "dismal science."

Peak Oilers have a much better grasp on causes and effects than economists and social scientists do. The problem with Peak Oilers is that, like everybody, they are mired in scarcity, and their so-called solutions are rooted in austerity. No wonder they can become suicidal.

A good example of Peak Oiler blindness is this post by a Peak Oiler. That author is one of several Peak Oiler financial bloggers that I contacted some time ago, to see if anybody was home on the FE front. Nobody was, as usual. Looking for those needles…

One thing that I think I need to address is how many people do not seem to comprehend my "choir" concept. The choir's target audience is not the masses, but the needles who will be able to truly hear the song. People mired in scarcity and survival will not have ears for it. They will only begin awaken when the means of abundance are delivered into their lives, as usual.

Those in the choir will be those who go deep, who already have or have developed scientific literacy (but no more than is needed to truly digest my big essay – it was designed so that the scientifically illiterate could understand it, although it will be a heavy lift for them), and can write comprehensively about how the world works, and it has always worked in energy-centric fashion. Almost nobody on Earth is fit for the duty, either due to their level of interest, gumption, "intelligence," or writing talent. I value integrity above all other qualities, for good reason. My forum will not be a haven for the anonymous, and my goal is to mount a high-level, comprehensive conversation, of a kind never seen before. The choir has never been heard before. This thread at Avalon is a place where people can try their voice out, and only a relative few have hit the notes here. Ilie is probably going to be the gold standard of what I am looking for for some time, and he is still on the early stages of his learning curve. Nobody is going to immediately "get it." The biggest event in the human journey is not going to come quickly or easily, not in this environment. The hard part, for what I am attempting, will be finding those needles and helping them see the big picture.

A quick vaccination post is coming, and then another long week of work. I get next weekend off, however.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi SL:

It is all good. You may be confused about the distinction between "intellectual property" and what the Internet is. For instance, if I quote somebody, other than the pithy quote (which nobody needs permission to reproduce), I will contact them, as I did Uncle Howard. When I wanted to reproduce a graphic from one of Peter Ward's books, I contacted him and received his more than gracious permission. Every one of my other graphics in my big essay is from Wikimedia, except for one that I claim fair use for. Of course, I have abdicated all of my "intellectual property" rights to my writings, and it can be quite an experience to see my words sliced and diced like this (and there was some false attribution to me, but it was just an innocent error that I don’t particularly mind). As long as people do not plagiarize me (representing that my writings are theirs) or impersonate me, I am fine, and I have been plagiarized and impersonated on the Internet. One of the crazy things about being plagiarized is that I was accused of plagiarism when a professional writer plagiarized me! That is one reason why I put chapter drafts of my big essay on this thread, so that accusations of plagiarism against me could be easily proven false.

But anything published on the Internet is fair game, as far as reading it, linking to it, writing about it, etc. That is the very intent behind the Internet. If somebody does not want their writings read or linked to, do not publish them on the Internet. There are plenty of private venues in cyberspace that are not really part of the Internet, except their "front door."

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

My time is limited this morning, so this post will be shorter than I would like. Studying evolution is a good way to understand how various disciplines go awry. All of the phyla of significance were established during the Cambrian Explosion. The reason why no phyla of significance were "invented" after that was that it set the "foundation" for development, and everything since then sat on that foundation, which limited how animals could develop. Plants went through their own "Cambrian Explosion" in the Devonian, and again, their basic body plans were set (roots, bark, leaves, seeds, etc.). Scientists have remarked that if the Cambrian Explosion (and its Ediacaran prelude) was replayed repeatedly, it is very likely that different kinds of animals would have developed each time, with different phyla.

Many human disciplines have similar "foundational" limitations, in that the beginnings of the disciplines form their foundations, and that all further developments are usually constrained by the foundational assumptions of each discipline. Like the human line, when medicine became professionalized, men dominated it, and the masculine warfare paradigm prevailed, and is still with us today. Attack-the-tumor is the only approach allowed in Western medicine for treating cancer today, and all alternatives that do not follow that paradigm have been marginalized and wiped out, to keep the racket intact. Most of the insanities of Western medicine can be traced back to their foundations, where only violent "medicine" was allowed, and all alternatives were violently wiped out. A different paradigm awaits, but the old foundation will have to crumble, first, and in a world of scarcity, fear, and global racketeering, that won’t be easy. Scarcity will likely have to be banished, first, which is what my work is all about.

It is time to run, but that paradigmatic "understanding" girds nearly all Western medical practices, and it has plenty to do with vaccination. When you can understand the paradigm, then making surgery and violent drugs the only way to treat heart disease, using mercury as medicine, incredibly, adding an industrial waste to the water supply as "medicine," and so on, makes horrific sense, and vaccination easily fits within that paradigm. But going back to the roots of how vaccination became a dogma today is enlightening, to see how it became that way, and that tale will be told in coming posts.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Before I go out the door, I just saw this. That the question was asked is funny enough, but the respondent citing the article that I clearly show is libelous, in the very essay that they link to, is par for the course out there. Looking for needles…

Best,

Wade

[Wide-Eyed]

Welcome Wade and thanks Bill for this forum which is more than abundant. Having said that, and after briefly reading through Wade's site and his historical medical timeline and other posts again, briefly, there is a lot to take in and consider but, getting it out there and achieving critical mass to positive change on important issues is central . How? I know it is discussed and considered but and obvious forces keep us tethered to caustic paradigms which occult knowledge and nature of things and maintain control. I'm no genius but how do we get inexpensive "free" clean water without fluoride and having to buy expensive filter and remediation methods? What is going to get fluoride put in it's place and out of our system? Seems from your research open minds need clean un- fluoridated water for uncrusted pineal gland and pathways to abundance in all realms. Could removing fluoride be most vital in awakening process? Perhaps this should be a thread.

[ulli]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
Hi:

Before I go out the door, I just saw this. That the question was asked is funny enough, but the respondent citing the article that I clearly show is libelous, in the very essay that they link to, is par for the course out there. Looking for needles…

Best,

Wade

Interesting how often someone's name fits their occupation.
Here we have Eric Krieg on his war path. Krieg is German for war.

I once met a banker who managed the Western Hemisphere of Barlay's Bank.
His name was George Money.

[Krishna]

Wade,
I read and write from my experiences and biases. Too often for radical leftists it becomes a binary of West and Rest losing a lot of nuance. Nuance I feel is necessary for the choir and to understand the politics and reality of how alternatives are suppressed.

SL,
Publicly posted material that is intended to be read can be linked to without permission. After all you are increasing the voice of the author, they would be delighted by it, as Melinda was.
Did You Say “Intellectual Property”? It's a Seductive Mirage this goes back to my interest in education for all, living is the US allowed me read 5 books from Peter Ward, Cooking Hypothesis by Richard Wrangham, and numerous other works that Wade references all because of the great library systems where I live. If I lived in India I would not have such availability of books. Apart from root cause we are less educated because of the mirage that Stallman talks about, which also means that there are fewer people able to understand Wade. When researching Wade's references I regularly run into a wall of copyright monopoly.

[Wide-Eyed]

Yeah baby wow ! Thanks Bill Ryan , Wade Frazier, Brian O'Leary coming in from another dimension, and Kerry Cassidy. Just finished reading transcript from Camelot 05/09 interview. And yes a lot has gone on since then when I first heard that interview, but wow reading it again in 08/15. It clicks! Cats ripping on the bag! Thanks! It will be down loaded, printed and distributed to my children, friends, family and growing community. I will get it out there it's time. Thanks great stuff .

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Thanks Ulli, Wide-eyed, and Freeknowledge. I could write for days in response, but don't have the time!

Yes, Ulli, Krieg was quite the warrior on Godzilla's behalf, and I would like to write a post soon on how disinformation never dies, but is recycled ad infinitum, whether it is about Dennis, "faked" moon landings, the "fact" that Earth is flat, and other fun topics. The Mormon financial empire was very likely behind wiping us out in Seattle, that Mormon newspaper libeled Dennis, and people like Krieg and "Research Girl" get to repeat the lies forever, doing Godzilla's work for him. But also, Dennis's "allies" in the FE field make up equally fanciful lies, and I see them repeated to this day, and I have even seen the knowing liars get feted at Avalon. I watched the same big names in the FE field embrace Krieg while they turned around and attacked Brian and Dennis. Surreal.

Hi Wide-Eyed, fluoridation is just one of many ways that we get clobbered, but my work is not about some social critical mass, but the delivery of Epochal technology which will end the world as we know it. Only then will the masses begin to awaken. The social approach will not work for Epochal change. Been there, done that.

To kind of segue to Freeknowledge's post, social scientists often have cause and effect backwards, which makes their analyses and prognostications worthless. My big essay is all about how the energy event came first, and the economic, social, cognitive, and even anatomical changes came later. It has been that way for all Epochal Events, and FE will be the biggest of all, by far.

For one example of about a dozen I could make, bonobos could not have undergone their radical social transformation until their food supply doubled. Energy first, and social change later. Humans have been the same way for all of their Epochal Events. There have been no exceptions, and I don’t see why it will be different this time. Social scientists often put the cart before the horse, especially economists. Getting cause and effect backwards is not nuance, but a fundamental error that economists make all the time. This is perhaps the most critical point that I make in my work, as far as how to make FE happen, but people mired in social consciousness (herd mentality) cannot see it, and they think that the social approach will work. It won't.

Oh, I could really write for days in response, and wish I could, but time to run. I hope to slow down before long, but we will see.

Best,

Wade

[Wade Frazier]

Hi: Wide-eyed.

Because Brian is in it, it is my favorite interview that I have done. Bill has a lot of savoir faire, too, and Kerry was great. I miss Brian.

On a "lighter note," I just received a link from Uncle Ed on his latest. Damn, he's 90! A couple of years ago, I wrote Ed that he, Noam, and Howard are going to leave behind some insanely large shoes to fill, and Ed replied, "Mine aren't empty yet!

Best,

Wade

[Krishna]

Posted by Wade Frazier (here)
Hi:
To kind of segue to Freeknowledge's post, social scientists often have cause and effect backwards, which makes their analyses and prognostications worthless. My big essay is all about how the energy event came first, and the economic, social, cognitive, and even anatomical changes came later. It has been that way for all Epochal Events, and FE will be the biggest of all, by far.

Getting cause and effect backwards is not nuance, but a fundamental error that economists make all the time.

Wade,
I understand, I truly do.
My targets are not the masses, I am partly writing for SL and people like him, already awake but still very confused or me 10 years ago. I had to unlearn what seemed obvious cause and effects e.g. "Famines are natural events and death is caused because we are poor" There are many levels of analysis 1) Climate is a factor 2) Social-political-economic systems i.e. democracy vs colonialism vs communism etc.. 3) degradation of environment 4) ultimate cause of energy
Without peeling those layers it is difficult for me to understand your essay and it is clearer to me because I peeled them back. People need baby steps, each layer of the onion is the nearest cause and effect with more layers to be peeled. All the previous layers of the onion are wrong, but without peeling and understanding the why, what and how of each layer getting to the final layer will not have much meaning.

We can take the education question and inquire deeper. How come Europe could even educate it people? Colonialism, industrialization allowed for surplus which could be invested for education which in turn led to more surplus via more industrialization. How fast can the world be educated? If a small part of the surplus of the industrialized world is invested very fast, otherwise plodding pace.

We can ask the question will it last? The answer is yes if energy supply is stable. If not we will see collapse of education and societies.

I dont want to stop at intermediate truths, but atleast for me I need to learn them before moving forward.

[Servant Limestone]

Hi to all people, especially Freeknowledge:

Honestly... Uhmmm... What's going on here?

I understand all of the late posts here by freeknowledge... and I highly encourage such kinds of posts. They're interesting and making me learn. But for it to be targeted to me because I am confused? What? Excuse me... I did not know that there's a need for my engagement here because I am confused about something. About what? I don't get it. Sorry.

I, of course, encourage you, freeknowledge, to continue to post like the way you do. I do enjoy the links and the info written. I actually don't see any problem with that. But I am surprised that you post all of that because of certain "confused people" that includes me.

I mean, I've already written extensively about the key factor of energy and importance of epochal events in my past big posts. I don't mean to be disrespectful but I took a great deal of time writing those big posts just to say for short, that in some way, I get it. I've got some journey into radical leftist politics with some spiritual experiences of mine while telling everybody a bit of my other life experiences and personal background while concluding in the end that I found the radical leftist politics I've gone through very lacking. And so, I've moved on. That's it. Is that wrong?

Part of my silence right now is not only because I have to do my grounding activities and settle down for a while, with certain paranoia about possible future natural disasters hitting my part of the world and personal implications on the global ecological meltdown, but because I also know I have to step up my game here by focusing more to the first half of Wade's big essay, which while I obviously do have basic knowledge, is still insufficient in giving a deeper understanding about the FE conundrum. That's where the "scientific training" comes from. And Wade knows that I have to take my time. I have no further need for the "social sciences" aspect of it. I get it already. I am tired of the entire thing. Correct me if I am wrong Wade, if I still don't get that part. I am tired of that thing. I don't want any of it. I've put my heart writing those posts before just to say that this is what I've learned and I realize, I am wrong and I have to move on. Thank you Wade and goodbye. That's it. And honestly, I first thought I didn't have to take my time. That I'll eventually continue my momentum of posting here. But now, I know I do have to take my time and just absorb stuff, the same way I did it for a year before making my presence known here. So, what's going on again here? What part I did not understand? I honestly want to know.

Honestly, the way I've just made my "peeling" is taking into account my personal experiences and seeing it that they don't match up to what's the prevailing official paradigm and shedding myself off, as Wade written and I've explained, the fundamental mental hindrances from understanding FE: capitalism (which is why I've written that long set of posts), nationalism, organized religion, materialism, scientism and rationalism. And I think I've demonstrated that I've made some advancements in peeling them. That's it. I don't want to post something like that for quite some time. I have to "refuel". Right now, I have to let things "sink in". I have to relax and everything.

I've tried to go through some "esoteric" stuff that I've discussed here before but I realize that those stuff might just hinder me more in understanding FE, rather than beginning to understand it. Especially with my condition right now. I have to balance and ground myself up. I am really understanding the need of it now. So, right now, I am just taking my time and calming myself. God knows I really need it. I've really gotten a little bit mad lately. I am almost terrified to sleep at night. I am afraid of our failure. I am really terrified. But I have to face that prospect and possibility, even if it's not pretty.

So, I think that's what I've learned. Please forgive me if I am not responding too much here and just lurking around and giving thanks to posts. That's all I can do. I am sorry. But I am just tired of the entire social sciences related discussion stuff. And I think part of why Wade is continuously stressing that the social scientists got a lot of things really, really wrong is because it's really that way. They don't get it. And I can handle that fact now. Doesn't mean I have to feel happy about it. This is not making me feel good at all. But I have to peel myself away from it. Just look at those posts. There's too much social sciences on that stuff. I just have to do better. I don't want any of it anymore. I want more real science stuff. Applied science, Earth sciences, astronomy, etc. I want to forget it's connection to social conditions and stuff. I get it. And I want to peel myself away from such explanations. I don't want any of it. I am really sorry. I also want the more spiritual oriented stuff too because I realize that I need it in my current condition right now. I am tired of the entire political stuff. Right now, I am supposed to be happy that Senator Bernie Sanders is doing well in the presidential primaries but I know that without FE, nothing is going to change. I actually want Bernie to lose the primaries despite how I really, really, really, really like him. Because I don't want to make people try to keep alive and give energy to such a rotten system that might not change anymore fundamentally speaking. I am not liking the dirty tactics being thrown against him as well as the general problems naturally plaguing political movements as divisive as the Left. And Bernie is a democratic socialist. And in some way, I still am too, just a bit more radical than that. I know that Bernie wouldn't be able to do much. And I am afraid of that prospect. I don't want him to win. That is something I am not going to think about before. But I do now. So, you see people... Forgive me if I can't handle politico-economic-social stuff. I've done enough of that with Uncle Noam lately. But I've stopped already for now. I just have some fatigue related to it. Because it's related to my feelings of disillusionment as well as experiencing some "withdrawal symptoms", if you may. I am also focusing on trying to get a job so far and I think I am already going to get one, I just have to wait for the call for a starting date and they'll officially give me the job offer. Maybe in a few days. I think they are just completing a set of new people and bring us together in this little group to be trained. That's it.

So, let me get this point across: I am really awake, more than I wish I am awake (I hate it) but I am NOT confused anymore. I can't. Look at what I've written people. I get it. And I am tired of it! I want to move on. I want new material. I want something new.

I want to be receptive, to say that I understand... go on, let's discuss it...let's have a constructive engagement... and I am definitely seeing the process of comprehension and education. I still want to learn in that aspect of the discussion here, but I can't do it. I've exhausted myself in that thing. It feels like... I already know (is this arrogance?) and I don't want to hear more of it! It's energy, let's focus on that.

So, I am sorry Freeknowledge if you think you are posting for somebody like me. But no, I disagree. I can't accept that. I know of that intellectual property thing already... (is this arrogance again?) I am a freaking anarchist my friend...! I don't believe in such ****. I am just trying to be overly respectful to people if you don't mind for my own good. But I am sorry if I am losing my mind now. I just feel like I know a lot of these things that it's so infuriating that I am tired of it that I don't want any of it anymore. I've wasted thousands of hours in the last few years while I have my energy slaves at home, researching "garbage". That's just what I feel. I am done with that. Which means I have to get out of my comfort zone and I am freaking struggling. I am struggling.

Freeknowledge, I hope you understand that I can't accept the fact that you are posting social sciences stuff for me and you are referring to me as confused because I am not going to agree with you on that. I can't. I am not saying that I know a lot better than you. But I am not going to let you refer to me as confused or ignorant of topics I so cherish and just have to abandon in favor of a more scientific and spiritual oriented educational foundation for understanding FE. I know that this might sound so immature and I think you are probably older than me, but don't take that away from me. I can't agree with you about me being confused on social sciences stuff. That destroys those posts that I've made before. And I'll defend what I've written there. They're not that of a radical understanding of things anyway. So please don't refer to it as if as I'm wrong.

The way I am feeling irritated right now is probably related to the fact that I am so wanting this thread to become... something. You know, getting towards that event horizon. Filling up Wade's forum with new choir members. Scientists and hot women and the like. But we're still far away from it and it's 2015 already. I can't wait. Why are we still discussing this? But I know that I also have my own failures. I am just ashamed of myself everytime that Wade tries to put into my mind that I am getting a bit astray and forgetting that I am not getting to the core. I can't learn this as fast as I like to. Please forgive me people for my ignorance. And I am sorry for my pride, arrogance, failures and lack of effort.

Please allow me to settle down and forgive me if I can't be as receptive as before to social sciences looking discussion. I am trying to learn something new here but I have to settle down first. I really have to. I feel a bit agitated.

My emotions are not making me post something nice here. Sorry Wade. Sorry Freeknowledge. Sorry for the other readers.


Thank you for listening,

SL

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi guys , relax for a bit...

This discussion has started in January 2011, and if you read the entire thread, you will notice that it sounds like a broken record rehashing the same things over and over again.

It is unlikely that this particular thread will ever move on to new things. One reason is because it will always get back to energy as the basis of all processes. And the other reason, we have readers who are just stumbling into this thread and ask questions or present ideas that have been discussed already a couple of years ago. It is what it is.

SL, you say you have lost your patience? Then think of poor Wade . He writes on Avalon for 5 years now, but he had to have the same discussions for many, many years before that! So patience will be required. It's OK to get tired, frustrated, upset and angry. Take a break, and then come back. Accept that this is not an easy discussion and that it does take time.

I will give a nod to the fact that nobody likes to be called "very confused". Maybe Freeknowledge could have chosen his words better. This is not a competition of whom gets it first or better than the rest. That's just ego games. Anyone can step into a role of teacher/presenter and anyone can choose to learn something or not... but nobody forces you to into either role . In other words, don't take it so personally and don't make assumptions about other readers and their level of understanding. It just creates friction.

Funny enough, I think I wrote on this thread that "I got it!" about 5 times before it dawned on me that I am only at the beginning. There are layers and layers to this stuff, and every time it seemed to me that I got to the core of it, only to discover later that was not the case at all. So I am now much more patient with myself and open to the idea that there may be other layers I have not discovered yet. The learning never stops.... . Wade continues to make new discoveries and connect new dots even after decades of studying this stuff... so...

[Servant Limestone]

Oh Thank you Ilie...

Thank you for stepping in. I really don't want to have a fight with anybody. I am not saying that Freeknowledge think of me as ignorant and I don't want people to think of me as arrogant. I am sorry. I guess I am just a newbie here and I am just getting impatient of the entire process. I just realized now that whatever impatience I am feeling might be something 1000 times for Wade. I can't imagine. My God.

But I'm not going to edit what I've written up there. It's going to be a reminder for me to keep myself in check and exercise patience, understanding, openness, and peace. Wow. I never thought... This is a great learning curve for me. For some reason, I want to say thank you to Freeknowledge. Amazing isn't it? That's why Wade really "read" me very well. I have to really relax and ground myself and balance my senses and everything. This is not going to be easy. But guess what, you are all there for me anyway. Thank you very much to all of you and I am sorry if I offended people and give off the wrong feeling or impression. I'll try to make it up to all of you.

It's my impatience and feeling petrified and everything spilling over here.

Thanks,

SL

I am sorry to everybody

[Krishna]

Thanks Ilie. SL, I am sorry, I should have chosen my words better. In your essay you mention India just once in the context of economy, you also mention the Asian economic tigers but nothing much about Human Development Indicators which is much more meaningful to think about. As somebody who comes from a developing country, as somebody who read Chomsky at about your age, (you can find my name in credits section of Government in the Future) I find it easy to relate to your writings. My original page on education did not include Philippines I included it because you might find it interesting.

I see that you want to talk about energy, once anybody reads ad understands Wade's big essay. The biggest hurdles on the path of FE are social, political, economic there is no way around it. My mystical reading and grounding is zero I need to work on that...