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    Hi freeknowledge:

    Oh I should be the one who is sorry. I am forgetting key facts about this Project Avalon experience and one of them is the fact that our education is never been finished.... Even Wade continues to do it. We should keep our minds open and be willing to learn. I just got so tired of the social science stuff because I let all of these negative emotions take a toll on me about frustration, disillusionment and fear. That last one. That's the most important. Fear. You don't need to apologize.

    I am actually happy that I've got somebody from the "developing world" and from Asia like you and I don't want to lose your company in this thread and our conversation to cut off or anything.

    Of course, again, I thank you for appreciating that little thing I've made and my attempt to write "intellectualish". Hehehe. Now that you mention it, It's wrong of me to actually got too defensive of that work of mine. Correcting details inside it and in fact, expanding discussion based on it is something I am looking forward to happen. What the hell did I just do?!! You are actually helping me in my goal of getting at least one radlefty like me to appear here. Wow. I thank you for that. It's not like that my post there is going to be a popular piece of literature in a post-FE world. I am letting egoistic delusions got in the way of me. I am so wrong about that.

    Maybe because I haven't slept for more than 24 hours now. Yeah. True. Goodness, Don't worry it's night here. I will be sleeping at the correct time again. I am trying to adjust my body clock actually. Not in a good way, I know. But it's just it.

    Sigh. I am with you that we all have a lot more to learn. But as I said, heck, even Wade is continuing to learn stuff related to this thing that he knows intimately longer than my life. So, it's ok.

    As much as I want to try to expand discussion into a more meaningful one, I am physically drained now. And yeah, I am still a bit exhausted as I said on the social science stuff. But I find it more tolerable now. I have to relax now and prepare to sleep. I have to go somewhere tomorrow.

    Again, I thank you Freeknowledge for the amazing knowledge and lesson you are giving me now for free about patience, understanding and a whole lot more related to my adjustments. Hahaha.

    Thanks,

    SL

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    Oh boy, I go to bed, and look at what awaits me as I fire up my computer.

    Hey guys, I love you, and your hearts have brought you to me, not your heads. You are a bunch of smart boys, but smarts are not enough. I know how rare you are, and I plan to take you along, plan to have you help, etc. SL, you can stay anonymous on this thread and still help, but as you know, it can get repetitive here. However, you can help take it in new directions by discussing that first half of my essay, for starters. People can get intimidated by the material, by me, and the like, and they are afraid to post anything for fear of looking "stupid." I am not expecting anybody to understand like I do, and as my star pupil Ilie wrote, I am still learning. The learning never ends. Having a dialogue with me on the first half of that essay, or really, any part of that essay, would have been something that my 25-year-old self would have been eager to do. Just pick a topic that interests you, and away we go. I do not expect anybody to understand the material like I do, but that is not the point. The point is to begin to develop a comprehensive perspective, and you have an opportunity to have dialogues with me to help you gain it. You don't get an opportunity like that every day, and I would take advantage of it if I were you. Heck, I am very willing to be shown to be wrong, but I doubt that anybody is going to overturn my primary thesis: energy and consciousness is all!

    Becoming a truly sentient species is no easy trick, and humanity might not turn the corner. I have known the sense of urgency since I was a teenager. I grew up when Silent Spring, Earth Day, rivers on fire, and the like were in the news, and I began my career in LA, when its air pollution was awesome. I am a central figure in Dennis's books, and in one of them, he introduced me as a man whose first love was the environment. I was surprised to read it, and certainly never saw myself in that way. I have a love of nature that I think is evident in my work, but humanity is part of nature, too, and I am one of them. My work is about easing humanity's suffering as much as it is Earth's. If I can find 5,000 people and get them properly trained, making this kind of world manifest will be child's play.

    Again, you are all bringing up subjects that I do not have the time to do justice to, but briefly… As you know, SL, I could tell that you needed emotional grounding in your first post, and just keep working at it. If you could have seen me on my journey... There were times when I thought I was insane, but I eventually realized that I was one of the few sane people in an insane world. My wife is a mental health professional, and she would periodically insist that I go see trauma specialists, and they helped, with the most recent series of visits ending my monster of a midlife crisis. Dennis uses religion as his solace. I do not share his faith, which understandably turns people off, but they can try to imagine walking this path and see how they would do, if they were even capable of taking the first step. As I noted yesterday, all these years later, the peanut gallery in cyberspace can only recycle big lies about Dennis while they call my work "propaganda." So it is, with our benighted species. That is why I am only at Avalon, and Scott's forum (but it was a troll-fest there for a time), and my own. It is a jungle out there in cyberspace.

    Freeknowledge, what I really desire is to hear you sing, not read your notes from social scientists who do not understand. I went to business school and had economics training (and once believed in the Easter Bunny, too ), and as I have written recently, people with economics training are at a great disadvantage for understanding how the world really works. When economists completely ignore the energy issue or relegate it to just one more commodity, they have not just missed a nuance: they have missed the boat entirely. Those kinds of nonsensical analyses abound amongst economists. I am not super well-read on Sen, but he seems like a breath of fresh air in the claustrophobic theorizing of white men performing their ideological services to the Empire. I have a homework assignment for you, if you are willing. Instead of notes on the scribblings of clueless academics, write a meaty post on your encounters with Sen and what you learned, and how it relates to the energy issue. That could be some good stuff. Choir-worthy, even. You can follow that up with the lessons you learned from the Free Software Movement, and what you learned from Uncle Noam and company. If you can also show how you made connections from that material to the energy issue, that is the gold that I am looking for.

    As could be seen in my last post last night, Uncle Ed is in my pantheon, and I learned more from the collective work of Noam, Ed, Howard and company than I learned from any other single body of work. But I have been trying to get Ed to think about energy (much less FE) for 15 years, and have failed, and he is one of the world's greatest economists. Noam gave me a polite "I am not an expert" brush-off back in 1992, but I am fine with that. They don't see the big picture, not yet, not as the stupendous human beings that they are. Heck, Dennis does not yet see the big picture. He will never read my big essay. He watches TV in his down time. Brian was the only one in my circles who I think would have been able to truly digest my big essay, and I think that he would have been stunned by it, saying something like, "That is what I was talking about!"

    I am lifting some pages from the Free Software Movement (but Dennis was ahead of everybody), and Stallman is another one of the great who just can't wrap his head and heart around the idea of FE. That is OK. When FE is delivered into his life, he will quickly begin to understand, but as with nearly everybody else on Earth, he will not begin to understand until then, and it does no good to judge them. It is just what it is, and it gives me great opportunities to work on my patience!

    And once again, I think that everybody can see why Ilie is the chief treasure that I found at Avalon so far.

    Time for another busy day. I can see that more posts were made while I was writing this one, and I have not had time to read them. Tonight will have to do.

    Love,

    Wade
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    Wade,
    You have written better than I can write about Chomsky, my first entry into your website was via your American Empire essay.

    I will write about what I learnt from Sen. Also funnily Sen says that Jean Dreze (white guy) does all the hard work and he (Sen) gets to take the credit. As you know they are coauthors on the many of the books that I like.
    • Hunger and Public Action 1989
    • India: Economic Development and Social Opportunity 1995
    • India: Development and Participation 2002
    • An Uncertain Glory, India and Its Contradictions 2013
    I also liked "Development as Freedom" and "Poverty and Famines: An Essay on Entitlement and Deprivation" authored solely by Sen


    In Poverty and Famines Sen takes on the idea that famines are caused by Food Availability Decline, basically crops fail people die theory of hunger. In fact people who die typically die of infectious diseases due to weakened immune systems than from starvation. He argues that famines are absent in democracies and says that it is social pressure, press, that shame governments into acting. He proposes pubic works like for the poor where they are paid cash wages, importation of food as the way to solve the problem. Leaving distribution to the market. This works in the modern era but clearly would not have worked for any of the collapsing civilizations of the past. He especially contrasts the Great Famine of China 1958-61 with India's lack of famines post independence. We cannot forget Late Victorian Holocausts which pretty much have the same explanations.

    Coming to other four books coauthored with Amartya Sen, they have the theme of cross comparing Human Development Indicators across countries/regions. A chapter from Hunger and Public Action is online comparing China, India and Kerala (a state in India).

    It can be summed up as, there is enough money even in poor countries to educate their populations, banish malnutrition to a great extent and to provide basic health care, these are the responsibilities of the government. Countries or states which have done a good job of education,food,healthcare have done well economically years later (see why I liked Easterlin). Sen/Dreze talk extensively about democracy, press, basic education, infant morality rate, u5mr (under 5 mortality rate), women's education across countries such as Sri Lanka, Costa Rica, Thailand, China, India, Kerala, Tamil Nadu, China, Korea, Cuba on and on. Our World In Data helps visualize the data as does Gapminder by Hans Rosling another white guy who I have great respect for.

    If you read Human Development Reports they give you a sense of what you would find reading Sen.

    The whole thing about poor countries have terrible Human Development Indicators because they are poor is getting cause and effect reversed. Terrible Human Development causes poverty.

    You will note that there is nothing about energy in the whole post. That is because they assume it as a given, and further assume that by participating in global market educated populations can earn money/GDP/ultimately energy. Their books are all immersed in the Fourth Epoch and are an unstated assumption.

    They are also very concerned about the environment. All in all I would highly recommend reading them. If you have time to read only one book I would say Hunger and Public Action is best, if you have more time then any one of the other 3 books is good enough latest being better.

    This also answers the question Why is the whole world not developed? Because they are not educated/healthy for various historical reasons including colonialism, stupidity of the rulers, governments that did not care for human development etc.

    Assuming the fourth energy epoch.
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    Thanks Freeknowledge. I just bought Hunger and Public Action, and it will go in my stack. I am not sure how to say this, but if the only writings that anybody here or in the choir are going to write are those that are "better" than mine, not much is going to get written. Trying to compete with me is not what I am looking for. You are a smart man, have read a lot of Uncle Noam and friends, and I want to read what you learned, what you took away from the experience. Sure, they will be stuck in the Fourth Epoch, too, but that is OK. I also want to read what you learned from the Free Software Movement. This is important stuff, believe it or not. This is about honing your chops. I am not going to attract people to the choir by just singing on my own. The choir concept is for a chorus to form. I may lead the choir for a time, but only until somebody like Ilie can take over.

    Geez, I could write for many days on the subjects that have been brought up in just the last day on this thread, but before I go to bed, a little post on brains and energy. Today, it is thought that the first brain was possessed by a worm. What are brains good for? They primarily run the complex coordination of an animal's organs, appendages, muscles, etc. Neural tissue is a bit of an energy hog, basically an electric transmission device. In general, the bigger the animal, the bigger the brain, and when vertebrates made it to land, a new environment led to many new behaviors and traits. As amphibians gave way to amniotes, encephalization was noticeable, which means that the brains began to relatively grow. The thinking today is that predators had to outsmart their prey, so they were the early encephalized animals. The Permian Extinction halted the encephalization process, and when dinosaurs made their rise soon afterward, sauropods had pretty tiny brains, compared to their vast bulk. But other dinosaurs began to get encephalized, and the movie Jurassic Park played to that notion that some dinosaurs were pretty smart. Some even had hands. Hmmm. If not for that asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs, Earth might be dominated by space-faring reptiles.

    Mammals had relatively large brains from the beginning, thought to be related to their relatively great sensory requirements of surviving on the fringes during the reign of dinosaurs, especially smell and touch. When dinosaurs left the scene, leaving behind only birds, mammals began their rise to dominance, and encephalization began once more. Elephants are pretty damn smart, as were their neighbors, the apes, and they were the only two big African "winners" when it collided with Eurasia.

    Great apes and elephants have passed the mirror test, and on land, only a bird also can (as well as most humans ). Chimps are remarkable animals, intelligence-wise, even if humans never appeared on the scene, but we did, and our growing brains are the most spectacular aspect of the rise of humanity. And why and how are matters of great controversy today. One thing that everybody agrees on, however, is that our large brains are energy hogs. The debate largely centers over how we got the energy to grow and fuel it, and what the positive feedbacks may have been. It is a fascinating area of study, but solving that energy riddle was the key to the rise of the human brain.

    It is one of many subjects that the choir is going to kick around.

    Time for bed.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Wade,
    An Uncertain Glory, India and Its Contradictions is available in Seattle Libraries Central Library, Northgate Branch and at Douglass-Truth Branch if you have the spare time
    I see what you are trying to do with the choir. Will do my homework, ironic considering that I never did homework all through schooling or undergrad and hated it in grad school.

    Just one thought on altruism and global thinking. With the rise and fall of species and civilizations we have been selected for local thinking and my speculation is that altruism has been a downer periodically when Genghis Khan or the neighboring mafia shows up and passes their genes on. Partly explains why the candidates for choir are low in number and those folks are doing other battles trying to solve problems that they best know solutions for. Its going to be a long road...

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    I have a different answer to the question: Why is the whole world not developed? My answer is: because of a lack of energy surplus! (surprise, surprise!)

    When people talk about educating the world, or “better education” they usually talk about costs in terms of money. As far as I can see the costs of education are:

    - raw materials, used to build the schools, the labs, the books, the furniture, the computers, the data centres and so on
    - know-how: the technological processes required to convert the raw materials into the useful objects and the production factories
    - energy: this is obviously what will power the processes mentioned above
    - maintenance costs: things break down, and need to be fixed, rebuilt, replaced, modernized (more energy required)
    - running costs: transportation of teachers, students, fresh water, food, electrical power (more energy)

    So building a school and putting some teachers into it, is not enough. Much more energy will be required to keep the school running properly. More energy will be required so that students are enabled to go school and fed well enough so they can actually think.

    There is another cost in educating people. And I think this is the one that economists and sociologists miss completely. They either blind or extremely naive...

    Have a look at this chart: Energy use per capita per country


    (source Wikipedia)

    Do you notice anything interesting ?

    Look at India versus US.

    I think one can make the argument that an educated population will consume much more energy than an uneducated one. The life style of an educated human burns much more energy. An educated human will look around and demand that the resources be put to use to make their life more comfortable, to have clean water, shelter from the weather and then move to air conditioning, a pool, a luxury car? They will know they can demand it and they will want to have it! Uneducated humans can rarely even imagine something beyond having to put something on their table. They are not able to see that they may be standing on a gold mine... They may be rich, thinking they are poor and living at very low energy consumption levels.

    In the scarcity paradigm you have your limited resources pie. There is zero interest to make even more people hungry for more pie! If anything, there is a vested interest to make people think they don’t even deserve the piece of pie that’s in their hands! They need to be kept in the dark, so that more pie is available for those “who know”, for the so called “developed nations”.

    I am therefore very, very sceptical when I hear talks about “we need more education”. I have serious doubts about the motivation behind that speech. How many will be willing to give a share of their pie to educate other people, knowing that in doing so, those people will want more pie and will have the know-how to fight for it and get it! I even heard the argument: they need to be kept dumb so they don’t build weapons of mass destruction. What that told me: they need to be kept dumb so they don’t turn around and defend against us screwing them.

    Because of this future cost of generating educated people, I doubt there is any genuine interest in more education.

    Now I need to address education itself.

    Education is not what is touted to be! There are many inventors and researches who have made astonishing discoveries without having a formal education. What they had was resources (as in raw materials and energy), that allowed them to explore their inner drive and curiosity and discover things! It is my belief that humans are inherently curios and want to learn, experiment and explore. If you make that available to them (via an energy surplus) they will flourish with or without formal academic education. They will organically learn math and other symbolic ways of thinking and communicating if that is what they will need to evolve. Nobody will have to force it down their throats.

    I will even venture this idea: Give to a country all the energy and resources it needs, but NO access to education and also NO limits to what it can be studied, be it in medicine, or energy, or consciousness and watch what happens in a 100 years. I think they will catch up to and completely leave behind the “educated world”. That or they will be coach potatoes . It is likely that giving them also the knowledge in the beginning will be a huge speed boost, but in the long run, I don’t think that is required if the energy surplus is there. It may actually be a handicap in limiting their toughts into “preset patterns”.

    Education, even in the “modern countries” is not what education should be. Wikipedia defines education as “the process of facilitating learning”. That is hardly the case with modern education. It seems to me that a more accurate definition is: “the process of indoctrinating humans into very specific belief systems designed to benefit a few and maintain the status quo”.

    In order words, education is designed to create “smart workers”, not free thinkers and independent human beings. They need to be smart enough to operate a cash machine and to desire the latest big TV on the market, but also confused enough to never wake up to the energy game played at their expense.

    The argument “they need more education” (similar to “they need our democracy”) was too often used to forcefully educate a generation of slaves that would then be working in oil mining operations that will not benefit the newly “educated”. “More education” is also used to create a consumer market, to create people who crave products they had no idea existed, but be careful not to educate them too much, so they don’t wake up to what is actually happening. (The confessions of an Economic Hitman makes a very good point about this)

    In conclusion, in a world of scarcity there is nice talk and rhetoric, but no real interest in genuine education, genuine medicine and genuine empowering of every human being. Why? Because then every human being would be able to see right through the energy game and it would be game over for the so called “Global Controllers”. So yes, a school here and there will be allowed. Small changes so we can get our “charity status”, but also small enough as to make them irrelevant.

    Interesting question: how many educated people can digest Wade’s essay ? What does the answer say about our current education practices?

    Education is not all bad, and you can rise beyond the indoctrination process if you choose to. But it still stands on energy availability.

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    Thanks guys, for trying to raise the level of conversation here. A lot to respond to, but briefly…

    Freeknowledge, when I was making my site that I finished in 2002, I was a regular denizen of the King County and University of Washington libraries, but for my big essay, I just bought all the books. Ten years in high-tech gave me the financial freedom to do that. I just ordered Uncertain Glory, India and Its Contradictions, too. If I am not in writer mode, it does not work to use the library systems, as I don't have the time to read it in the lending window. I have not used the libraries since 2002. We will see what the social scientists have to say. As you know, I am pretty familiar with British rule over India. It is one of history's greatest demographic catastrophes, which India is still recovering from. They raped India because they could, being the first out of the industrialization chute.

    My conception of the choir is to get people educated on how the world really works, so that they can keep their eyes on the ball, which is the energy issue. Everything else happening on Earth today is noise and a distraction. If we do not solve the energy issue, and pronto, the rest simply won't matter. Humanity stands on the edge of the abyss today, and almost nobody knows or cares, focused on their immediate self-interest, in a world of scarcity and fear. That stunted, egocentric perspective is typical of humans, but it will mean our doom if not enough of us are willing and able to muster the heart-centered sentience to overcome humanity's inertia and the organized suppression. It won't take many of us, but we have to raise our games.

    When "visionaries" are locked into the Fourth Epoch, as Freeknowledge noted, all they really think of is shuffling the resource deck, so that poor nations can get some of those resources that the rich ones enjoy (and "education" helps them exploit those resources). What those social scientists fail to realize is that there are not enough resources under the Fourth Epoch to go around, energy above all, with a bullet, and the world's poor have been actively kept there, and indeed, John Perkins's account is a good one to begin to understand how the system really works. Perkins, however, was "only" in middle management, and likely had little inkling of what happens at the top, as my pals discovered, often the hard way. Put disruptive energy technology on the market like Dennis did, or be an astronaut who mounts a UFO conference, like Brian did, and you find out real quickly that the world does not work at all like how social scientists think it does, even the most honest and sophisticated of them (uncles Noam, Ed, and Howard, for instance), much less how TV, newspapers, and our history books portray it.

    Physical scientists (including biologists and applied scientists such as engineers) have great limitations in their training, but they also are concerned with how the world really works, and if some of their limitations are taken into consideration, there is a great deal that they have to say that is important. The scientific ideal, like the ideal of democracy, a free press, free markets, an objective history, and so on, is a beautiful ideal, but it does not exist in the real world, especially where powerful political-economic interests get involved, and nothing draws Godzilla's interest more than the energy issue, even if the public is oblivious.

    Most of the most enthusiastic readers of my work are scientists, but none of them are currently willing to risk their careers by standing on the global stage with me. Brian was really the only one, and leaving the Citadel cost him dearly. Maybe one day. One scientist has been a fan of my work for more than a decade, and he helped edit my big essay (and began this presentation, which I finished off). During the process, he made the comment that I have fielded for many years, in that people around him simply cannot see the connection between energy and our Western standard of living. Believe it or not. As I have written, people with economics training are specifically trained away from that understanding, seeing all economic activity as some purely social process, in which matter and energy are only inputs to human social processes, limited only by market forces and money. To be polite, what an ignorant way to view the world, but John Rockefeller, among others, funded that way to view the world, which made energy invisible or just one more commodity that is easily substituted for something else when it runs out. When societies run out of energy, they collapse. It has happened many times, and it has been happening in history's richest and most powerful nation, ever since our energy consumption peaked. The USA's middle class, which is history's richest and largest, is quickly vanishing.

    As I have written, about half of American energy consumption goes to heat (and much is wasted) and about half to performing work. Each American rides on the backs of several hundred effective humans. That is why we have the standard of living that we do. Machines perform more than 99.9% of all the physical work in the USA, and without fossil fuel energy to run them (and build them), they would all be useless. Money is only an accounting fiction, with no intrinsic value.

    To kind of segue to Ilie's post, when he introduced himself in my forum, he mentioned that the other kids in his communities did not see the value of "education," as it did not help them on the farm. Without the means to use one's "education," people do not see the point, for good reason, as they are faced with their immediate survival needs.

    As I hope my essay makes clear, it was not until a local and stable energy source was developed (primarily agriculture) that humans were able to be sedentary and form communities, which led to civilization. Before that, humans only owned what they could carry. The only means of learning was by doing, observing one's elders doing something, and listening to the tribal elders, who were the society's "library." It was not until civilization and literacy that we have seen the steep ascent of compounding information and knowledge to flower into modern societies, which rode on the back of exploiting one energy resource after another, usually to exhaustion.

    Yes indeed, energy surplus is the most meaningful measure of societal health and wealth. While places such as Kerala can spread their meager resources to meet basic human needs, and such examples can be inspiring, even they rely on industrialized world benefits to raise their standards of living. But they still use pig toilets there (but American factory farms are no better), to provide an example to those in industrial nations just how far they have to go.

    On education and the human potential, Ilie is on the right track with the idea of giving people true wealth (energy and the means to use it), and standing back and watching what happens. Again, put FE in the public's hands, and this world begins to quickly come into view. As I have stated many times, I do not consider this world to be fictional, as I know people who have made similar visitations, such as world-class scientists who bring back Earth-shaking inventions from their interdimensional travels. I have often wondered about their educational process, in which the average six-year-old is more informed and smarter than anybody on Earth today. I could be wrong, but I get this sense that they are post-literate, and in that the clumsy way of communicating that I am doing as I write this is left behind, as infinitely superior means of communication and learning are adopted. I can barely imagine it, but the attempt to sure can be fun. They are obviously telepathic, but that probably only begins to scratch the surface of how they communicate and learn. The material in my big essay might keep those six-year-olds occupied for about their first week (or day) of class.

    Time for another busy day.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Thanks for the fantastic post Ilie.
    Of course the ultimate cause is energy but thinking about proximate causes helps.
    I am thinking about 12 years of education. Grades 9-12 require bigger investments. My education was in the best schools of India where the top 5% (not .1%) send their kids. Compared to schools in US I find that the education materials I had access to as very basic. No Crayons in elementary school. I had a heavy backpack of school textbooks, no real access to library. We had toilets, fan, benches/chairs. Basic computer access of 1 hour a week (that lab had AC ) We had a biology/chemistry/physics labs that were off limits until the 9th and 10th grade.

    Most schools in India today lack toilet facilities, forget computers, labs. Kids walk kilometers to school, for the hurdles faced by kids to get education see 1 2 and those kids are very motivated kids.

    Even today most schools lack lab facilities and get a only glimpse if mobile science labs run by non-profits visit their schools. e.g. see

    Look at the schools and facilities Tamil Nadu one of the states of India which is doing very well in terms Human Development. Look at the photos of schools in that state 1, 2 Not even chairs/benches for kids.

    Its cheap to educate kids, they somehow survive whether or not food is provided by school (yes India serves mid-day meals at schools these days thanks to Tamil Nadu state where it started first). School facilities are non-existent it is pretty much go into a building and educate the kids.


    Women’s education explains the variation in child mortality better than GDP (energy) See and GDP(energy) vs education

    See linkage between women’s education and human development.

    School attendance in Eastern Europe shot up from 35% to 90% in just 30 years from 1910 to 1940 which is unprecedented, Why is that?

    How do you explain Philippines doing worse in terms of human development than China or Korea both countries started out consuming much less energy (poorer) in 1950.


    What explains Kerala, Tamil Nadu, South Korea, Singapore doing well in terms of human development when they were poor? Some countries for whatever socio-political reasons were able to provide basic healthcare, basic education, and food security within their energy budget. This explains their later success in the rat race of global GDP, this is a positive spiral. This is the story of the Four Asian Tigers not market economies.

    Yes Energy matters in the long run, but organization, politics matters in the short run.

    Assuming the fourth epoch continues 100 years from now there will be much less variation across the world in terms of education, mortality rates, hunger etc..

    If you give chimpanzees enough energy for the next 2 million years they have a good chance of turning human, but not in the short run.


    Yes, altruism by countries in the current world is suspect. And without energy nobody would choose to be educated, after all if there are no benefits why bother? This is exactly the caste and class system, only a few shall read because there are only a few jobs (especially true in agricultural societies). If you read Easterlin in page 10 you can see the Catholic church educating people in Spain only to be able to read a few scriptures, no "science, maths, political economy and secular history” Why educate peasants who will anyway do nothing ‘useful’? The social factors also explain why school attendance in Western Offshoots was better than Western Europe.

    If we take out oil/coal industrial energy tomorrow we would instantly revert to agricultural societies and enter the third epoch once again.

    Mean Years in School (MYS) for kids today is already 8.5 and will climb to 10 years by 2030, no matter how twisted and indoctrinated the education system is I will take them over illiterate people any day. Yes few can deal with Wade’s website but in comparison to no education it is still orders of magnitude more with education.
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    Hi,

    This is an interesting read about education, that at least for me, made obvious some hidden assumptions that we make. And also education is very, very subjective. So I am not sure what that means when I see it charted.

    And I have a question about the open source software. In particular Linux.

    When I had first discovered Linux in college I made a bet with a collage that it will never be able to compete with giants such as Microsoft, that it will always be the "ugly kid" around the block.

    I obviously lost that bet and I am happy to report that in some ways, Microsoft is now the company trying to catch up and keep up!

    So how was that possible?! With all the resources that Microsoft had access too, somehow the Linux community was able to do better... Where did they get their energy from? Any insights?

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    Hi:

    Well, the vaccination posts are going to get knocked back a little. I am going to make a few posts on what I am attempting and what I need people in the choir to do, generally before they join it. I really only have one goal with my remaining years: help the biggest event in the human journey manifest. That is plenty for one man to work on, or the gang he hopes to assemble. That event will simultaneously banish poverty, permanently, halt the Sixth Mass Extinction in its steps, end the destruction of Earth's surface and turn it into something resembling heaven, and all humans on Earth can live lives that make Bill Gates appear a pauper. Not a bad thing to pursue. It is not going to happen without FE making its public appearance, as nothing else can do it.

    But almost nobody on Earth is fit today to be in the choir, and almost always because they lack these qualities:
    • They care for something beyond their immediate self-interest;
    • They have already been awakened somehow;
    • The have some scientific literacy;
    • They awoke past the rationalist-materialist, scientistic paradigm that dominates today's scientific establishment.

    Not many walking Earth today have those qualities, but I seek them, and specifically them.

    I am not trying to reach the masses, educate the poor, feed the poor, raise money, beseech the rich and powerful, enlist progressive and environmentalist groups, have people interest their social circles in my work, and so on. Those are all counterproductive distractions to what I am attempting, and many people think that my work is somehow about that stuff, which means that they do not yet understand. I am going to have to roll my own group, as the group needed for my strategy does not yet exist.

    I am also going to get pretty specific on what potential choir members need to achieve relating to my work, and what the pitfalls can be. There are a million distractions, false leads, and the like, that await newbies, and if they cannot negotiate the hazards, they are going to fall by the wayside. I see it all the time. So, here are goals to achieve and pitfalls to avoid, as far as my work goes and becoming a productive member of the choir. I am going to put these into categories.

    On my journey:
    • My journey, especially my days with Dennis, is well documented, not only on my site, but in Dennis's books.
    • I also carried Brian O's spears for years, our relationship is well documented, and I became his biographer.
    • As may be evident in my forum writings, my memory is nearly photographic, and I render the facts of my journey very conservatively in my public writings, as anybody who did a little digging knows.
    • I am a "what you see is what you get" person, and those who met and know me know that (including some Avalonians). I don’t have time or interest in posturing and other games.
    • Anybody who aspires to be in the choir and has doubt about the veracity of my reporting of my experiences and the experiences of those around me needs to do their homework. But for anybody who has been awakened in the slightest, my journey is not so unusual.

    I recently hosted a member of my circle, and one of his remarks was that my story rang true to him early on, as he had already been around the block a few times, and the prosecution making faces at me when I was on the witness stand, and laughing at me, was not unusual in the American legal system. Anybody with any mystical talent and experience quickly understands that there is nothing about my mystical journey that is unusual, even if much of it is spectacular. Not many people ever had a voice lead them on adventures like mine. Anybody with some scientific literacy can easily determine that there was nothing about Dennis's heat pump or Mr. Mentor's engine that violated the "laws of physics," and I leave the question open of whether those two technologies married could produce FE, but we never had the chance to find out, as we were wiped out. Many scientists thought that we might have been able to.

    I admit that some people in my circles are extraordinary, even unique on Earth, so some of our experiences even exceed what the "fringe" crowd is familiar with, but for those who do their homework, our experiences were not so unusual, and this is an area where many go awry, and I am going to put up some suggestions and what I am looking for.

    To state that FE is "impossible" is ignorant, even belied by some of science's greatest minds. Einstein himself said that empty space was not empty, and his protégé thought that the ZPF was harvestable and could provide virtually limitless energy. FE is not the sole province of the tin-foil hat crowd, and in my circles are scientists and inventors who went after it, and they all had hell to pay. Sparky Sweet's journey was one of the more spectacular, and Brian visited Sparky in his hiding place in the desert the week before Sparky died of a "heart attack." Right after telling me about Sparky's grim and lonely end, Brian told me about his "heart attack" that he got after mounting a UFO conference and rejecting the American military's "offer" to do classified UFO work. Ex-astronauts and astronomers putting on UFO conferences attract great attention from those who run the world. That incident ruined Brian's health and shortened his life. In the same conversation, I told Brian about what one of my very close fellow travelers witnessed, as he was treated to an exotic technology show. Brian nearly yawned, as a show like that was no big news to Brian, and he was much more interested in my close relative who was a CIA contract agent who worked for a household-name diplomat, who nearly tried to recruit me into the "business," and I luckily escaped.

    That conversation with Brian was when our close collaboration began, and it happened soon after we were nearly run out of town because we tried to interest California's governor in FE, as California was in the midst of being raped by Enron and pals. I also met Mark Comings that day, and a couple of years later, at Brian's home, at an NEM board meeting, I heard Mark tell about his "introduction" to how the FE world really works, and his story was later published, and I heard from a scientist who was there when Mark had his harsh awakening, who said that it happened exactly like Mark said. I did not need confirmation like that, but I have had many confirmations like that, usually unsought, and anybody who runs in those circles for long (and survives the experience) knows about the reality all too well, even if the public is in denial or develops a tabloid-ish, X-Files-ish fetish about that milieu. At that same meeting, Mark talked about some of Adam Trombly's adventures, and Adam's is the only story that I know of in the FE milieu that holds a candle to Dennis's. I now need to set potential choir members straight about aspects our journeys, as it is easy to get distracted by spectacular events, have fear and denial rear its head, and the like, as people miss the mark and go down unproductive rabbit holes.

    To begin with, my story is well-documented, and anybody who does their homework knows that my public writings are highly conservative renderings of my adventures, especially my days with Dennis.

    Dennis's story is also exceedingly well documented, and many aspects of it are simply undeniable. His heat pump is the best heating system that has ever been on the world market, and it is easy to understand why it was the best. He also put it on people's homes for free, in the most ingenious marketing plan that I ever saw, and I still consider it the most brilliant work that Dennis ever did. He delivered thousands of heat pumps to people's homes and businesses before his efforts were wiped out with extreme prejudice, in one of the more spectacular acts of organized suppression ever in the energy field. And that was just a warm-up for what happened in my home town of Ventura. When the dust settled a few years later, my life was ruined and I was radicalized. I would never see the world the same way again. Although I was a scientific prodigy when young, and got record test scores in college, it was only after surviving my adventures that I began to go the scientific/scholarly route, which resulted in my site today.

    I would not pay much attention to Dennis when he plays pitchman, playing to the lay audience as he tries to describe FE technologies and the like, and even his understanding of the science behind his heat pump is limited. Dennis is scientifically illiterate, but he understood his heat pump better than engineers who worked for him. The last thing that I do is point to Dennis's pitchman stuff to make a case for FE. Dennis has built working FE prototypes (but he was never the inventor), and knows the milieu well, but he is not its technical spokesman. Even Brian discovered that trying to educate the public on the technicalities of ZPE was a loser, as everybody's eyes quickly glazed over. There is plenty of technical discussion of FE technology in cyberspace, and I would digest Sparky's paper, for starters, for those who are interested. Bearden's stuff is a very mixed bag, and even I could see when he blundered in his technical explanations (and Dennis can blunder far worse), but I respect a lot of his perspective.

    The bottom line for me, and for those who snoop into the FE issue on the technical side, is that the brightest minds in physics are not quick to call ZPE "impossible," and only hacks do that, just as they called man-powered flight "impossible" before the Wright brothers flew, and the scientific establishment ignored and ridiculed them for five years after they first flew. Not long before he died, Brian informed me that establishment science's blindness and denial is worse today than a century ago. Brian should have known, after playing the Paul Revere of FE for many years. He eventually wondered if humanity was a sentient species, and I sadly understood his question.

    I will now get into some aspects of Brian's journey and positions, as I found that very few people really understood or wanted to, as they tried to make Brian into something he wasn't, tried to twist his words to suit their agendas, and did an injustice to his life's work. Maintaining Brian's legacy is one of my tasks, and it is usually thankless, but somebody has to do it. I was the only person that Dennis and Brian truly trusted outside of their families, which is why Brian asked me to be his biographer and why Dennis bent my ear for days when I saw him a couple of years ago. Not only do I regularly have to deal with the lies and disinformation that pour forth toward Brian and Dennis from many corners, including from their so-called "allies," but people rarely learn the important lessons that the journeys of Dennis and Brian taught them, or even seem to want to. But even people who sincerely want to understand regularly fall off the rails and disappear into the rabbit holes as they go astray.

    It is time for another long day at the office, so I have to run. I expect to at least make a post on Brian and a post on Dennis, and then we will see.

    Best,

    Wade
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    Ilie thanks for link to that article. Yes the educational systems of any epoch reflect the energy levels of that epoch. Energy determines the political/social system which in turn determines the education system. Our current education systems reflect the industrial era that we are in, and they deliberately constrain thought in ways that are not readily obvious to the ordinary citizen. My passion for education comes from the fact that the poor countries are still stuck in the education systems of the third epoch (agricultural), I hope they get to the fourth epoch because the tools to understand Wade’s website are simply absent in the third epoch. Also education allows today’s kids to get on the internet because they can earn enough to do so, and educated enough to be able to read. Illiterate farmers/peasants don’t have the money to get on the internet or to make use of it.

    In India enrollment rates in school are at 90% and this will be true of even the poorest places on earth in a decade. If you hear Malala she says give us education, but not give us democracy. She is right in so many ways beyond what people understand. Wade doesn’t need money so if you have spare cash that you want to donate I would say the best use is to donate it to the education systems of the poorest nations. Malala Fund is not a bad choice http://www.malala.org/give/

    Why does this matter for what Wade is trying to accomplish? Around a hundred million kids graduate from high school (12 years of education/pre college) every year the better educated they are the more chance that they can read Wade’s website. Since Wade has a 30 year timespan for the choir it is an investment that can only help in making FE happen.

    Will get to your question about Linux, this is also part of my homework about Free Software/Culture/Knowledge.


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    None of my friends/social circle can deal with Wade's website and they are all highly educated with college degrees. Although they wont blow fuses at the American Empire essay. But I still think 12 years of education is important to make FE happen. I consider Wade one of my teachers along with Chomsky, Stallman and Sen so that too is education.
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    The Importance of Dietary Carbohydrate in Human Evolution builds on/complementary to the Catching Fire / cooking hypothesis by Richard Wrangham. NYT has an article.

    Along our evolutionary path our saliva started having enzymes to digest cooked starches (carbohydrates), also diet drives evolution very rapidly as can be seen from spread of lactase persistence (ability to digest milk in adulthood) in humans.
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    Hi Freeknowledge.

    It is not very often that I bookmark an article (or scientific paper, in this instance), but that was a great paper, and I may well write about it soon. One of the points that I wanted to write about recently is that what I want to impart to my readers is that science is almost more fascinating for the questions that scientists propose, not the answers. Cooking likely played a big role in the rise of humanity. Fire certainly did. One thing is for sure: the five-to-seven million-year trajectory from the last common ancestor with chimpanzees to modern humans is the most dramatic of any animal, not only biologically, but the tools, the culture, etc. Quite a trip, and it was always primarily about energy and consciousness, as usual.

    Homo erectus appeared about two million years ago, with dramatic anatomical changes from its ancestors. Wrangham thinks that fire and cooking did it, but there are other hypotheses. Again, it is a very fascinating subject, and analyzing the genetic evidence for salivary amylase is another great way to investigate the subject.

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    My favorite part of the big essay by Wade is this

    Quote The rise of humans was dependent on numerous factors, but the most important may have been the ability to increase humanity’s collective knowledge. If each invention during human history had to be continually reinvented from scratch, there would not be people today. The cultural transmission of innovations was critical for growing humanity’s collective technology, skills, and intelligence.
    Education in the fourth epoch is merely the cultural transmission of the older eras, which parallels culture in animals. Thinking even more deeply procreation is the transmission of knowledge and behavior via the DNA.

    Wikipedia defines
    Quote [Animal Culture] involves the social transmittance of a novel behavior, both among peers and between generations. This behavior is shared by a group of animals, but not necessarily between separate groups of the same species.
    I mentioned that education and culture is not transmitted to out-groups, e.g. Lower Castes in India, African Americans in US, women in general etc. etc..


    All this because culture and education are the source of power, energy. If one wants to exclude people from power this is one of the most important leverage points. The story of Ekalavya from Hindu mythology has particular resonance with me. In summary Ekalavya was ‘put in his place’ by taking away his ability to use his skill.

    The modern way of putting people in place apart from outright violence is to make education unavailable or expensive. Therefore you can see that while Europe and its offshoots were becoming literate the colonized peoples stayed uneducated. Guilds and priesthood are variations of the same game.

    This is why the world is not educated today, even though it does not cost much either in terms of money or energy. It is made expensive by putting barriers like Copyright which made most of the world’s knowledge unavailable to me in India. Another way is via trade secrets where knowledge is created but does not come out. Then there are Patents which stop people using knowledge.

    Before we go any further Did You Say “Intellectual Property”? It's a Seductive Mirage is required reading.
    As is Misinterpreting Copyright—A Series of Errors both written by Richard Stallman

    Are we back from reading them? Good, you might also want to read Free Software, Free Society

    There is a good reason for copyright it allows authors to earn a living, otherwise they have to depend on grants from state or private parties. Therefore it makes sense to allow authors to have exclusive rights to copying their work (lets say book) therefore they can then monetize their book by selling copies of their book. Society is giving up its right to copy in return for giving authors an incentive. What happens when a book is very popular? We are overpaying the author which as society we don’t have to, since the book would be produced even if the author earned less money. What about a book that is not selling at all? The author has no incentive in such a book and we as society should get back our rights. Now it is very hard to figure out how much incentive is enough etc… so a good compromise is to limit the time period say 10 years and also limit it geographically. If the author does not think that their book will sell in India but will sell in Romania why should Indians not copy the book locally?

    Without any cost to the author(s) society can benefit from copying books where there is no market for it. e.g. India can benefit from the knowledge in books of the world but they don’t have money (I don’t mean energy, I mean US dollars) to buy them, what they do have is enough energy/resources to make copies of them and benefit from that knowledge.

    How is this different from taking real physical property? Because knowledge is a non-rival Nina Paley has an awesome explanation Copying Is Not Theft . I am sure Wade has heard this before.

    Question Copyright is very good resource on these questions.

    To share and learn by imitation is the definition of culture and education, in some senses it is one of the important parts of being human. As Wade so eloquently writes
    Quote The cultural transmission of innovations was critical for growing humanity’s collective technology, skills, and intelligence.
    Let me say this to the best teacher I every had. Hats off. Even the best thinkers about these issues can only come close to understanding and explaining these issues as Wade does.


    I welcome questions, this is a big topic. Will get to the Linux question in another post.
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    Hi all.

    Here is the Epochal perspective on several issues that have arisen here lately, which will necessarily be energy-centric. Education is very much an energy issue. The proper way to see anything like that is that the human body takes energy to run, and any "leisure" activity needs an energy surplus to fund it, and that includes education. Education is "idle time," when the students and teachers are not involved in subsistence practices, and it has been seen as something as societally valuable, so it is subsidized by the society's energy surplus.

    Slavery is strictly a Third Epoch institution, which ended when the Fourth Epoch began, and when using people for such brutal ends, education makes no sense for them, other than to condition their minds to accept their bondage. That was why the only book that African-American slaves were allowed to read was the Bible, which justified slavery, being the thoroughly Third Epoch work that it was. The energy surplus generated by Third Epoch means, mainly agriculture and deforestation, is thin and can only support a small non-subsistence class. Hence, as Freeknowledge noted, reading and education was very limited and proscribed in the Third Epoch. It only began spreading to the masses when the energy surplus was great enough, and the proto-industrial rise of Europe (Epoch 3.5, on the Wade Scale ) was accompanied by increasing literacy and education.

    But even that "education" was subject to many constraints and still is, as the "educated" are still supposed to fulfil societal roles that can be considered far less than truly free. Much of my work is devoted to the "education" that I received that was total hogwash, designed to control what I thought. I broke free of a great deal of that, but only by being radicalized in my attempts to initiate a transition to the Fifth Epoch.

    Formal laws were a Third Epoch phenomenon, which arose with civilization, and early laws were notable for their brutality, which mirrored the times. Elites are a Third and Fourth Epoch phenomenon, and they will go the way of dinosaurs and slavery with the Fifth Epoch, and they know it, which is why the organized suppression of FE is as pronounced as it is.

    Although Dennis has never seen it this way, his Systems For Savings program, to put energy technology on people's homes for free, was a harbinger of the Fifth Epoch. So is the Free Software Movement. I lift some of the Free Software Movement's ideas in my work. Richard Stallman is a great, brilliant man, but is stuck firmly in the Fourth Epoch, with his legalistic and scientistic views. Patents, copyrights, trademarks, and the like are exchange artifacts of the Third and Fourth Epochs, especially the Fourth, and will become obsolete in the Fifth Epoch, and I would expect that Richard would quickly realize it in the early stages of the Fifth Epoch. He is a genius, and would quickly see it.

    My work is really about helping people, especially the choir, think in Fifth Epoch terms while we are still in the Fourth, to help the Fifth manifest.

    Pre-industrial nations that are educating their populaces are getting boosted by nations in the Fourth Epoch, and aspiring to Fourth Epoch ideals while they are largely in the Third Epoch, economically. This is why we see the demographic transition happening in all developing nations except the poorest in Africa.

    Just today, I was reading about black market goods and services around the world. It is grim stuff, but not one of them will survive in the Fifth Epoch. Warfare has always been rooted in scarcity, and resource scarcity in particular, and that is something else that will disappear in the Fifth Epoch, and the military knows it, which is why they have often been very active in the organized suppression of FE (and UFOs).

    When my students learn to don those Epochal lenses more often, a lot becomes simple and clear that might seem confusing when viewed through other lenses.

    Time for bed.

    Best,

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    Hi guys:

    I love you all. I just want to say I'm sorry for being an embarrassment for all of you. Looks like my late actions of mine here just proved that Wade is right in asking me to do the grounding activities more. Hahaha.

    Looks like freeknowledge is going at it now. I envy you. I still feel drained... a little bit, but thankfully, I am going to have a job starting in September 14, 2015. That raised my spirits for a bit. I am so lucky that I got a job that I actually thought I can just confidently do, not noticing that my job is something with a very good starting pay compared to other positions that I happen not to apply in this big local company. I just did it and here we go, I am going to be very busy next week preparing for meeting the employment requirements so far.

    I'll make an attempt of trying to expand the current discussion that freeknowledge is doing right now in the coming days, if I can. It's an amazing discussion. But as you said Wade, the first half of the essay is going to be something a bit challenging for me to discuss, but I'll try. I'll do it.

    So that's it for now.

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    Hey SL, good luck with the job. "Leisure" time is over for now. Write when you can write something good, and stay grounded!

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    OK, a little on Brian. Again, carrying his spears was among my life's greatest honors. What a great man, and I miss him. He was ahead of his time, writing about space satellites before Sputnik launched, which befuddled his teacher and classmates. His gifts for math and science saw him get his doctorate in astronomy at Berkeley, apply to become an astronaut, and amazingly get the job. As with my father, they only took the best and brightest during the Space Race. Brian later learned that he got the astronaut job because Wernher von Braun had big Mars dreams, and Brian was a Mars expert, at least as expert as anybody could be in the 1960s. His astronaut candidate interview has got to be one of the most amazing job interviews ever. Brian is still the only person in history who was publicly and officially asked to go to another planet. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall to see Brian, in his suit and tie, sitting across from the panel and being asked those questions. He must have staggered out of that interview.

    In reading Brian's books, his personality is evident, and he really was not astronaut material. Among other issues, such as not being a natural pilot, he was too much of a free spirit for the command structure at NASA, which is evident in his accounts of astronaut life in The Making of an Ex-Astronaut. He then became something of an academic vagabond, first working with Carl Sagan at Cornell (but also protesting the wars in Southeast Asia), and bouncing around academia, but like with NASA, at the very top, such as at Cal Tech and Princeton, where he advocated asteroid mining and space colonies. Brian became very politically active in the early 1970s and became an advisor to presidential candidates. As usual, when Brian played, he played at the top. When he wrote op eds, they were in The New York Times. When he wrote scientific papers, they were published in Science and Nature. He became quite the environmentalist and energy visionary early on, and helped kill Nixon's plans of putting a thousand nuclear power plants in the USA by the year 2000. Brian became a NASA gadfly, and some of his astronaut colleagues hated him and challenged him publicly.

    Brian taught Physics for Poets at Princeton, which reflected his man-of-the-people nature and who did not like the straightjacket of establishment science, even before he had his mystical awakening performing the same exercise that I did five years previously. Then he was ruined as an establishment scientist, although it would be another decade before his final exit, after he lost his job because he refused to work on Star Wars.

    Then Brian began exploring the fringes full time, but he did it as a scientist, not some New Age guru. Because of his stature and approachability, he was besieged by people trying to enlist him for their causes, to give them credibility and use him as some sort of mascot. As Brian was getting his feet wet in the fringes, I was on my wild ride that soon wrecked my life, and our paths overlapped numerous times before we finally met.

    Brian nearly died the year after we first met, after he hosted a UFO conference and rejected an "offer" by the American military to do classified UFO work. During Brian's exploration of the fringes, he often got in over his head, and not just from a murder attempt by the MIC (they excel at that), but he lent his efforts and even name at times to people and projects of dubious merit, such as the Face on Mars issue, but the one that hounded him to the grave and beyond was publicly questioning whether NASA really landed men on the moon. It became a huge political football that eclipsed everything else about him, and soon before he died, I had him write what truly became his last word on the subject. But neither side of the debate let Brian gracefully exit the scene. If Brian had done his homework, like I had, he would have realized that the "faked moon landing" evidence was thin to non-existent, and none of it really supported the idea that the moon landings were faked, and a mountain of evidence supported the idea of genuine manned moon landings. Unfortunately, there are many areas like that to draw in the unwary, gullible, and the undiscerning, and Brian found himself sucked into those issue as some kind of fringe celebrity. But Brian had good reason to doubt the official story on space matters, after his near-fatal encounter with the military. The "skeptics" scoff, but they are professional liars and cogs in the machinery of establishment science, licking the hand that feeds them. When a leading space "skeptic" tried to debunk the idea that Brian was asked to go to Mars (after his NASA bio was published, and the astronaut corps had no issue with Brian's Martian credentials), I was stunned at how slipshod and stupid his effort was, but it only further confirmed what I already knew about the "skeptics."

    When exploring the fringes, Brian always took the conservative scientist's approach, but his colleagues, the fringe crowd, and even the skeptics used him as a political football, and his rather tame statements were blown all out of proportion by people trying to score political points. For instance, Brian never said that the Face on Mars was artificial, but that the evidence that it might be was impressive enough that NASA should specifically target it when it returned to Mars with better cameras, and it did. I called and talked to Brian as he was in the midst of downloading that image from the 1998 flyby. He never said that the moon landings were faked, but that there might have been some tiny chance that they were, because of Space Race pressures on NASA. It was little more than some open speculation, but he was used as a political football ever since. The tinfoil hat crowd always tried to co-opt him into their causes, and the "skeptics" were only too happy to ridicule Brian, but neither side was really interested in the truth, but grinding their self-interested axes.

    Brian discovered the hard way that as his search for truth and planetary healing became the most ardent, he was pushed further and further away from the Establishment, and he died in exile in South America as a voice in the wilderness.

    Brian and I became colleagues because there are not many like us out there. There are not many like Mark Comings, Adam Trombly, Sparky Sweet, or Dennis. People who have been on the FE high road and survived with their sanity intact are few and far between, and we both knew it. That is partly what attracted us to each other, and our all-too-rare personal integrity, which is required to survive on the high road for long. Brian became something of an FE spokesman, and I loved to help him ascend the podium so that he could hold forth. I could never do what he and Dennis did, being the introverted semi-nerd that I am, and I preferred to stay in the background. Both of them were run out of the USA for their trouble, Brian in fear for his life, and Dennis should be dead dozens of times over. If it was not the mob trying to kill Dennis, it was prison officials, VA negligence, and murder attempts from his "allies." The energy advisor to the sitting president was one of Dennis's biggest fans, but that meant nothing when the robber barons and other big players got involved. Brian only survived one murder attempt that I am aware of, but one was plenty, and it wrecked his health and shortened his life.

    From his days of political activism in the 1970s, Brian was keenly aware of the energy issue's importance, and he gradually awoke to the FE milieu's reality, so that by the time that I told him about my pal's underground exotic technology show in 2001, he nearly yawned. I carried his and Dennis's spears through several FE efforts, and finally realized that they did not have a prayer of success. There is not enough personal integrity in the masses for an approach like that, and when I mentioned my "choir" idea to Dennis and Brian, they both instantly realized that it was something different, and Brian was planning on promoting my approach just before he died. Not many people really have an inkling of what I am attempting, and Brian understood and would have been stunned by my big essay. I expect my choir-building effort to start slowly, as attaining the awareness that I think is needed will be no easy process, especially for people who have not been through the meat grinder of the FE high road. But I only need one-in-a-million for my plan to work, and I have devoted the rest of my lifetime's "spare" time to finding and training those people, and I already found some, and training has commenced. I know what I am looking for.

    Time for work, and I will now have some more time to write in the coming weeks, with the hurricane in my day job temporarily abating. Next up is a post on Dennis, and I will likely write a summary post after that.

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    I knew nothing about Brian O'Leary when I met him in 2005 or 2006.
    I heard him give a talk at a Costa Rican Unity church, about Free Energy.
    I had gone there basically to hear a talk by Nick Cook, an Englishman, editor of Jane's Weekly magazine, and the author of The Hunt for Point Zero,
    and Brian was the other half of the presentation.

    At the time I was friends with the people who were introducing Brian to Costa Rica,
    before he decided against living here and chose to go to Ecuador.
    So I got to meet him a few more times, like a special lunch hosted in his honour,
    and later again at a hotel seminar given by the Costa Rican Water Authority, where he was invited to give a talk on energy.
    He was really rather candid then, and I was amazed at his courage at spilling the beans re. the hidden elite.
    Here is a picture taken that evening of Brian and myself, which I can only now fully appreciate.

    The strange thing then was that I was prompted by an inner voice, or intuition, to start a conversation about the cause of Dr. John Mack's death, wondering what Brian's thoughts were. At the time I had no idea that Brian even knew him at all.
    I was surprised at the vehemence of his reply: "He was murdered!!!"
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    This is why we see the demographic transition happening in all developing nations except the poorest in Africa.
    From demographic research done at Wittgenstein Centre for Demography and Global Human Capital "the stalled fertility decline around 2000 was associated with a stalled improvement in the education of earlier female cohorts that was a likely consequence of the Structural Adjustment Programs of the 1980s during which education spending was cut drastically"

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