To Avalon Ham Radio operators: the ISS is [not] reporting craft activity on 145.8 MHz

[Verdilac]

Posted by shadowstalker (here)

And in any case, the ISS is only at an altitude of between about 300 to 400 km and easily visible with the naked eye. Any 'scout ships' (unless extremely small) buzzing the ISS would have been clearly spotted by numerous amateur astronomers world-wide watching it through a telescope

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And anyone who spot those scout ships would most likely believe or be convinced to believe that they are satellites.
And those who believe other wise would be hotly debated no doubt.

Tracking the ISS with a telescope is very difficult thing to do. It moves so quickly through your field of view that at high magnification you just lose it, its like trying to track a plane but harder, much harder due to its increased speed.

You would have to be well practised with a scope to see anything buzzing around it as your perception of it would be so fleeting.

[jake gittes]

Posted by cursichella1 (here)
IMO this reads like many other "leaked" warnings that turned out to be hoaxes, psyops, disinfo, distraction or put out there to ultimately discredit specific groups of people who may have bought into it. Too many hooks and the language seems way too contrived...the author(s) worked too hard at trying to make him sound like "a regular guy". It's either a hoax or it's been put out there to get everyone worked up about it.

Let's not forget Werner Von Braun's statements to Carol Rosin about false flags, including a faked "alien invasion", planned long ago to usher in the Global government or whatever it is they're rushing to implement.

Von Braun's statements about terrorism and asteroids are playing out, so why not his statement on alien invasions as well?

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THat's my take, also.

Plus, this sounds like absolute BS: The officer demanded any records I had of the ISS astronauts and I gave him the master copy, I have two other copies. Luckily I'm using this facebook account which is encrypted and they won't be able to tell what I'm doing. I'm thinking of skipping town.

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by shadowstalker (here)

And in any case, the ISS is only at an altitude of between about 300 to 400 km and easily visible with the naked eye. Any 'scout ships' (unless extremely small) buzzing the ISS would have been clearly spotted by numerous amateur astronomers world-wide watching it through a telescope

.

And anyone who spot those scout ships would most likely believe or be convinced to believe that they are satellites.
And those who believe other wise would be hotly debated no doubt.

I don't think that would be the case. There are those who know what to expect to see, and when to expect to see it. Any 'unexpected' satellites, especially any accompanying the ISS would not go unnoticed.

Any visible scout ships would presumably be close to the ISS and orbiting in parallel with it or 'buzzing' around it. Either way those who routinely use telescopes to observe the ISS would see something profoundly odd, and share and debate their observations on their forums, which would soon get picked up by people like us looking for weird stuff!

Nick

[bogeyman]

Now they know the frequency that we are monitoring it will be changed and encrypted so only the NSA and others involved in cryptography will be able to understand the transmissions. Another door is closed.

[Nick Matkin]

Posted by bogeyman (here)
Now they know the frequency that we are monitoring it will be changed and encrypted so only the NSA and others involved in cryptography will be able to understand the transmissions. Another door is closed.

The ISS crew wouldn't have used an analogue, unencrypted channel that anyone could listen to in the first place for this sort of stuff - even if it was really being seen and reported.

As Ron Mauer clearly put it in post #37

NASA will never use amateur radio to communicate sensitive information (on purpose).
The use of amateur radio in the ISS is most likely for education and publicity.

And anyway, this so-called communication was on 145.8 MHz FM. Where is all the ham radio chatter from the others who would have certainly heard it?

It's just silly nonsense that under closer scrutiny de-constructs into an obvious hoax.

Nick

[Camilo]

Posted by KiwiElf (here)
Doesn't look like the [content of the] Facebook link is any longer available (that was quick!)

It's still there!

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)

It's just silly nonsense that under closer scrutiny de-constructs into an obvious hoax.

Yep!

Do we close the thread, or keep it open because we're enjoying the discussion?

[sunpaw]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)

It's just silly nonsense that under closer scrutiny de-constructs into an obvious hoax.

Yep!

Do we close the thread, or keep it open because we're enjoying the discussion?

What is with the mothership and crafts?

[Harley]

Maybe keep it open Bill.

Not for the sake of argument, but for the sake of education.

[Old Snake]

Posted by Shadowself (here)

Posted by Operator (here)
This might help: http://www.issfanclub.com/frequencies

Cool! Now all we need is a ham radio....

Btb,
Have a look@ RTL- sdr, the cheapest ham rig available.

Old Snake

[bogeyman]

The members of ISS probably use classified brevity codes also so if an unknown object is reported it would not be reported in plain language.

[Operator]

Posted by bogeyman (here)
Now they know the frequency that we are monitoring it will be changed and encrypted so only the NSA and others involved in cryptography will be able to understand the transmissions. Another door is closed.

Nope, as stated in previous posts in this thread this channel is used for its intended purpose: HAM radio
i.e. contact with other HAM radio operators, school stations to educate school children etc.

Look at the first YouTube video in my post #33
I think they have a limited set of (pre-programmed) channels available for this purpose and there is NO big
secret in the public knowing the frequencies ....
They even encourage you to experiment and use the repeater transponders when the channels are not in use.

So, apart from being interesting to HAM radio enthusiasts experimenting with these things there is really nothing
suspicious to see (or hear) here folks. Thread should stay open I guess ... but perhaps change the thread title
with reference to this conclusion rather than have people respond prematurely to early postings.

[bogeyman]

Clarification is a great help and prevents stories going off on a tangent. I was more of a listener than a ham radio enthusiast. I had a Racal RA17 receiver, old but sensitive.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Operator (here)

Thread should stay open I guess ... but perhaps change the thread title
with reference to this conclusion rather than have people respond prematurely to early postings.

Yes, I agree. Changed just now (and a PS added to my opening post).

[bogeyman]

I am sure event in space concerning unknown objects have occurred, but since a lot of activities in space are well controlled by a limited few it would be easy to keep them from the masses. The problem is there is so much junk up there, classified space projects and all sorts of other activities it is hard to distinguish all this from genuine events concerning so name USO (unidentified space objects). It would be almost certain that they would be classified as a matter of routine.

[Harley]

Posted by Operator (here)

Posted by bogeyman (here)
Now they know the frequency that we are monitoring it will be changed and encrypted so only the NSA and others involved in cryptography will be able to understand the transmissions. Another door is closed.

Nope, as stated in previous posts in this thread this channel is used for its intended purpose: HAM radio
i.e. contact with other HAM radio operators, school stations to educate school children etc.

Look at the first YouTube video in my post #33
I think they have a limited set of (pre-programmed) channels available for this purpose and there is NO big
secret in the public knowing the frequencies ....
They even encourage you to experiment and use the repeater transponders when the channels are not in use.

And to this I'd like to add:

Unless it is during a time of emergency, ALL transmitting stations are required to have a licensed operator on duty. And yes, this includes astronauts, school teachers, and any other government employees (During Peace-time/Non-Emergency).

Most astronauts now carry a Ham Radio license, and most ISS missions carry at least one licensed Ham operator.

For those schools that do not have a licensed Ham operator or a Ham radio station, they simply contact a local Ham Radio Club and a volunteer(s) will be more than happy to come out, set up, and operate a station for them (They love the publicity!).

And finally, ANYONE may transmit provided there is a licensed operator present and in control.

[bogeyman]

I remember a colleague in the 1990s contacting the then Naval Space Surveillance Center, he asked the government official do they detected UFOs, he say yes, and you "have to go classified to talk about it", then the Executive Officer took the phone and stated to contact Chief of Naval Operations, and put the phone down. He contacted CNO and guess what, no records. They were responsible also for collecting data on unidentified orbiting objects , which is most junk in space. They had an artificial system which stripped out unknown objects in space from known objects.

[Verdilac]

Posted by Nick Matkin (here)

Posted by shadowstalker (here)

And in any case, the ISS is only at an altitude of between about 300 to 400 km and easily visible with the naked eye. Any 'scout ships' (unless extremely small) buzzing the ISS would have been clearly spotted by numerous amateur astronomers world-wide watching it through a telescope

.

And anyone who spot those scout ships would most likely believe or be convinced to believe that they are satellites.
And those who believe other wise would be hotly debated no doubt.

.

I don't think that would be the case. There are those who know what to expect to see, and when to expect to see it. Any 'unexpected' satellites, especially any accompanying the ISS would not go unnoticed.

Any visible scout ships would presumably be close to the ISS and orbiting in parallel with it or 'buzzing' around it. Either way those who routinely use telescopes to observe the ISS would see something profoundly odd, and share and debate their observations on their forums, which would soon get picked up by people like us looking for weird stuff!

Nick

It really is a task for most amateur astronomers to see it, I'm not being critical of anyone but setting up to see it before hand seems easy when you try and stick to a routine but there are variables when setting up to try, even getting focus can be an art, the weather conditions playing a massive part,your location on earth and misjudging its path through you field of view so your mount is set up try and follow it correctly.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=7eF7LQl0f0c

The chap in the youtube clip above is quite optimistic about how much time you get to view it in my humble opinion, but it gives an idea of what to expect and how many clear shots you may hope to take of it.

So out of those shots that get taken worldwide it still may be difficult to build up a accurate picture of what may or may not be buzzying around the station.

My opinion is based on my experience of trying to observe using a good quality 6 inch Newtonian reflector, granted there are better scopes but the average observer just cant run to thousands & thousands of pounds for a scope, having said that I would urge anyone that is interested to get a scope and have a look as it I does give you another perspective on things.

[Operator]

Posted by Verdilac (here)
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It really is a task for most amateur astronomers to see it, I'm not being critical of anyone but setting up to see it before hand seems easy when you try and stick to a routine but there are variables when setting up to try, even getting focus can be an art, the weather conditions playing a massive part,your location on earth and misjudging its path through you field of view so your mount is set up try and follow it correctly.
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NASA itself provides a handy tool to determine where and when to give it your best shot:
http://spotthestation.nasa.gov/sight...d#.VeIxP1Ibpv1

In my case/location it will be visible for at most 4 minutes at a maximum inclination (angle relative to horizon) of 53° the coming week.

That's not much. I probably need very clear skies and a high vantage point to see it rise just that couple of minutes above the horizon.
So it's probably not that easy. But hey, most of us here like a challenge don't we ?

Perhaps start a contest ... who can contact or photograph the ISS first.

[Verdilac]

Your blessed with 4 minutes, I get to see it for 1 minute at 10° in around a week or 2's time at dawn.

So in reality the chances are pretty slim that I'm going to win any photography competitions