The Law of Polarity ~ Dualistic Universe

[Omni]

This article might seem like blasphemy to new age followers who buy what channelers tell them.. I don't mind a respectful debate. If you don't feel like reading a longer article, I highly recommend at least watching the 2 minute video. It is very concise and well done, by Sarah Johnson. It provides a potentially good solution to negative feelings IMHO and is good psychological advice.

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The Law of Polarity ~ Dualistic Universe

First I reference a highly recommended and powerful short video(approx. 2min) about the Law of Polarity by Sarah Johnson:

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=o-6TWQeu5kQ

Sarah sums this up better than any other source I have seen in such a concise, perfect, and positively impactful way, I can't help but commend her on her potency in the video.

We live in a largely dualistic universe. When I hear new age sources demonize duality, I can't help but think they are being deluded by false and/or misleading information, or at the very least have a very limited perspective of reality when saying one can transcend duality. This may seem backwards to some readers, but all I ask is to hear me out before reaching a conclusion...

The simple fact that we have emotions that are of both polarities; negative and positive, shows me all the talk about transcending duality is nonsense. If you can manage to live life only with positive emotions I'm not sure you are fully human(And I do not mean that in a good way)...

The word duality is not just good and bad to me, but also represents the highly undeniable truth that the universe's very composition includes countless dualistic polarities.

Here are some I could think up:

Positive/Negative
Order/Disorder
Health/Sickness
Darkness/Light
Love/Hate(or alternatively fear, I find fear more potent than hate, but hate more an opposite of love)
Balance/Imbalance
Subjectivity/Objectivity
Equality/Inequality
Freedom/Enslavement
Truth/illusion
Physical/Non-Physical
Heavenly/Hellish
Growth/Stagnation
Synthetic/Natural
Integrity/Corrupt
Left Brained/Right Brained
Left/Right
Up/Down
Student/Teacher(this is a revolving door for the best interactions I think)

As a practice I try to always scrutinize my own conclusions. When scrutinizing the idea of law of polarities I found it hard to come up with an opposite to "neutral" for a little while, however I think I found one, polarized. I can't be sure the law of polarities applies to everything, as I do not have the conscious capability to access all information in existence. Regardless, the law of polarities applies to practically everything, if not everything. Applying the solution to negative things Sarah promotes by understanding there is always an opposite to what one feels I think is potentially very beneficial psychological advice.

Without opposites nothing is defined. Dualistic properties of the universe are essential to existence as we know it. If there was no evil in existence, we would have nothing to contrast the best things in reality to. Without hot, there is no cold. Without up, there is no down, and so on. One could argue darkness is just as important as light, both metaphorically and literally.

The relativity of the poles further defines things in our existence. For example when starving, food tastes a lot better. When in a very dark situation, positive things feel much better. Relativity applies to dark and light feelings, and experiencing them both adds beauty, complexity, and definition to both poles of feelings.

Experiencing only one thing would eventually normalize and making it abundant in many cases would make the experience become redundant or lose it's potency. For example saying "eternal bliss" is superior to a dualistic existence I find flawed. Pretty much any experience loses it's stimulating effect after enough exposure. One develops a tolerance to experiences as per the mechanics of consciousness and if one was only ever in bliss eventually bliss would become "normal", and lose it's desirability. Potent love is one of the only things I've experienced that I think I would have a hard time experiencing it getting old. I still wouldn't want to be in a state of love all the time. The people who say eternal bliss is possible never experienced such things, unless they mean eternal as a descriptive away from it's time based definition.

I'm not sure any being can truly "transcend duality". There is talk of the highest forms of existence not including duality aka good or bad(only good), I personally think that is nonsense not based on reality. As nice as it sounds to experience only good, that requires a good deal of ignorance on this planet, and I am pretty sure the beings living in the "heavens" experience duality as well, just not as extreme as our planet does.

All that being said I do think being positive is a good thing. However ignorance of dark things happening on Earth will get us nowhere... Ignorance, apathy, and inaction plague mankind and are a big part of the problem we have here.

Non duality talk is a big part of the new age 'religion', I plan on writing about the new age religion much more in the future on this blog, so stay tuned for those... I believe the new age beliefs have a foundation built with psy ops(not to say it doesn't have some truths and value).

Source Link: http://omnisense.blogspot.com/2015/0...son-video.html

[greybeard]

The late Dr David Hawkins described diminishing rather than opposites
ie. like a thermometer --extreme heat less and less till there is an absence of heat
Saying that cold is the opposite of hot is useful linguistics.
You could use love--all the way from unconditional- to lack of love--Hate is not the opposite of love.
You could use voltage--energy--any number of things.
Non duality is ancient---not new age.
Ancient text, many thousand of years old, described non-duality as "One without a second" there is nowhere that "God" is not.
Even science is beginning to see that everything is linked.

Chris

[Omni]

Posted by greybeard (here)
The late Dr David Hawkins described diminishing rather than opposites
ie. like a thermometer --extreme heat less and less till there is an absence of heat
Saying that cold is the opposite of hot is useful linguistics.
You could use love--all the way from unconditional- to lack of love--Hate is not the opposite of love.
You could use voltage--energy--any number of things.
Non duality is ancient---not new age.
Ancient text, many thousand of years old, described non-duality as "One without a second" there is nowhere that "God" is not.
Even science is beginning to see that everything is linked.

Chris

In my view the "new age" involves many ancient things rehashed or repackaged or as they were back then on top of some newer things. Will you explain non duality in your view? Perhaps addressing how one can escape feeling a duality of emotions and still be human on this planet?

[greybeard]

My view is rather simple.
Nothing is right nor wrong till thinking makes it so---it just is as it is.
In non duality nothing is seen as good---or for that matter bad
I am aware that there are things best avoided.
While we are experiencing the world from dualistic perspective it does seem that there is a certain black and white to be observed.
However the move from dual to non-dual perspective can be progressive and beneficial

With practice it is possible to spend time in thoughtless awareness--this is true for me.
I view what is happening without going into the filing cabinet of the mind to label, judge, compare.
Its pure awareness uncontaminated by thought.
If I say too much we will get caught up in language---the path of non-duality has a language of it own and some of the meanings are quite subtle.
I agree that new age has taken on some ancient truths and modified or miss-understood them.

Dr Hawkins wrote a good book about transcending duality--he and other have including Tim on this thread
https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...l=1#post456904

Just have a look at the first post Omniverse---that encompasses my understanding--which did not come overnight.

Best wishes
Chris

[Omni]

Posted by greybeard (here)
My view is rather simple.
Nothing is right nor wrong till thinking makes it so---it just is as it is.
In non duality nothing is seen as good---or for that matter bad

I see strategy behind promoting this. No wonder channelers are promoting it hardcore for years. Once you believe there is no such thing as good or bad, doesn't that mean you no longer wish to sponsor good in the world? Isn't it all just grey? What is the point of creating good in the world if you do not even believe good exists?

Without getting too amped into good and bad, I guess you could label emotions desirable and undesirable. But I guess I'd ask a non duality believer if they see fear and hatred as not bad/negative? Sure you could say there is progress involved but essentially I see fear and hatred as negative/bad. The one thing non duality teachings have I agree with is good and bad can be quite subjective and have effects that transcend the labels into the other pole.

I guess you are saying non duality philosophy only applies to good and bad, and nothing dualistic except good and bad. When I interpret the word duality it means much more than just good or bad to me. Would you say there is no such thing as negative and positive then in addition to the labels good and bad? I personally think some things are absolutely negative or positive when put in certain context. For example I think genocide is generally a bad thing. I don't think I'll ever resonate with making everything grey, and not deciding if I like something or not(aka define it good or bad at times).

Will read your link in a bit. Thanks for the response Chris

I am aware that there are things best avoided.
While we are experiencing the world from dualistic perspective it does seem that there is a certain black and white to be observed.
However the move from dual to non-dual perspective can be progressive and beneficial

What are the benefits? I'd say a pitfall is no longer being on a side in the war taking place. If you cannot determine some things are bad, how do you avoid doing them? I guess a whole new mental operating system is needed for non duality, one alien to my own. I also note what you describe seems a lot like some of satanism's philosophies(moral relativism).

[Fanna]

Duality, trinity, unity, all of these exist within us without contradiction. Both of you are right.

The question is, are we ready to accept yet another density.

[greybeard]

Sorry without studying the subject deeply for years you are going to make assumptions.
Right action comes about all by itself.
I can not explain in a few sentences what non-duality is really about.
When you know the seeming other to be one with you then you will automatically follow the first two suggestions of Christ (I prefer the word suggestion rather than commandment. ) Basically love your brother as yourself.
That being done, then wars, materialism etc come to a natural end. These are all products of the egomaniacs.

I don't expect you to agree with me Omniverse--all I know is that studying non-duality has lead me to have a fuller, more compassionate, balanced life.

Best wishes
Chris

[Omni]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Sorry without studying the subject deeply for years you are going to make assumptions.
Right action comes about all by itself.
I can not explain in a few sentences what non-duality is really about.
When you know the seeming other to be one with you then you will automatically follow the first two suggestions of Christ (I prefer the word suggestion rather than commandment. ) Basically love your brother as yourself.
That being done, then wars, materialism etc come to a natural end. These are all products of the egomaniacs.

I don't expect you to agree with me Omniverse--all I know is that studying non-duality has lead me to have a fuller, more compassionate, balanced life.

Best wishes
Chris

I guess that is all that matters, if it has helped you. I am still curious though. If rape, murder, child abuse, and genocide are not bad. What would you label them as?

[Selkie]

Posted by Omniverse (here)
If you cannot determine some things are bad, how do you avoid doing them?

Great question, Omni!

[Deega]

Yes, the Law of Polarity is a creation of man to understand the underlying motion of energy to duality, many a Posts here talked about this.

I would think that the Law is limited to the Physical, though it may be an accomplice to the Spiritual. And if we bring in the non-duality, where does the Law fit in? I guess it still is in the Physical but at this joincture, it become a state of Mind, a state of Love, a state that is difficult to maintained since we are in constant pressure responding to one Basic Needs and living on Gravitional Earth.

[Omni]

Posted by Deega (here)
Yes, the Law of Polarity is a creation of man to understand the underlying motion of energy to duality, many a Posts here talked about this.

I would think that the Law is limited to the Physical, though it may be an accomplice to the Spiritual. And if we bring in the non-duality, where does the Law fit in? I guess it still is in the Physical but at this joincture, it become a state of Mind, a state of Love, a state that is difficult to maintained since we are in constant pressure responding to one Basic Needs and living on Gravitional Earth.

Well what most people seem to be speaking of with non duality is only good and bad. Not polarities of everything. I don't think anyone has a leg to stand on if they deny the dualistic nature of the universe. Yin Yang is not nonsense IMO. In fact yin yang is one of the basic truths of existence IMHO.

And I don't think it is limited to the physical. Mental things also apply.

Thanks deega

[greybeard]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Sorry without studying the subject deeply for years you are going to make assumptions.
Right action comes about all by itself.
I can not explain in a few sentences what non-duality is really about.
When you know the seeming other to be one with you then you will automatically follow the first two suggestions of Christ (I prefer the word suggestion rather than commandment. ) Basically love your brother as yourself.
That being done, then wars, materialism etc come to a natural end. These are all products of the egomaniacs.

I don't expect you to agree with me Omniverse--all I know is that studying non-duality has lead me to have a fuller, more compassionate, balanced life.

Best wishes
Chris

I guess that is all that matters, if it has helped you. I am still curious though. If rape, murder, child abuse, and genocide are not bad. What would you label them as?

Non-duality comes from a different perspective---what happened is not labelled.
There is no denial that it has happened----correct action occurs.
When it is possible to alleviate or help this happens
What you have mentioned is not condoned.

There is neither attraction or aversion but that statement is misleading--- an appropriate response happens without condemnation or a bleeding heart over emotional feeling. The response will be loving and practical.

From my perspective in duality normally the ego gets in there--in non duality the response is not self serving in anyway--well at least as far as that is possible for a non enlightened human

I am free of the commentator in the head judging me and all else--the mind is mainly silent--at peace.

Best wishes
Chris

[Omni]

Posted by greybeard (here)
Non-duality comes from a different perspective---what happened is not labelled.
There is no denial that it has happened----correct action occurs.
When it is possible to alleviate or help this happens
What you have mentioned is not condoned.

This goes back to my question about defining things. If you do not define actions as wrong or right/good or bad, then how do you decide what to do? How do you alter your own programming in terms of aligning your actions to the greater good of the planet if there is no conception of the idea of greater good?

Duality and non duality are labels themselves, so I do not see the logic in the non label stuff. Labels are as useful as they are flawed at times. I guess thats another thing I disagree with in terms of non duality philosophy.

There is neither attraction or aversion but that statement is misleading--- an appropriate response happens without condemnation or a bleeding heart over emotional feeling. The response will be loving and practical.

Loving and practical are also labels. No aversion to something like child abuse? This seems like a process of anti-individuality to me. Just a bunch of grey and undefined actions, which could lead to actions I personally view as "bad".

Without defining what is good and bad a person could commit severe atrocities. Perhaps the spiritually pure could get by with the non duality stuff, but a more lost person would be inclined to go after any old temptation of theirs without restraint if they lost definition of good and bad. This is a core tenent of satanism, there is no good or bad, so just do what is self serving.

From my perspective in duality normally the ego gets in there--in non duality the response is not self serving in anyway--well at least as far as that is possible for a non enlightened human

I think ego and self serving can happen equally in both philosophies personally. Satanism promotes some of the non duality stuff to get people into doing evil IMO. Once you no longer define things as good or bad, there is risk of doing evil since one no longer labels evil as bad aka something to not do because it is wrong.

[greybeard]

It takes time Omniverse but then, consistently, there does come appropriate response without the battle in the head of, should I do this or do something different? Is what I intend to do right or wrong?
A lot of verbiage whilst the person is perhaps in need of help now.
Avoidance of situations seems to be instinctive.
I dont have to have an in head management discussion about it.

I would not be comfortable standing on the edge of a cliff--I am not going into a lions cage---I dont have to think about it.

Im not talking from theory this is the way it is for me.
As you said the main thing is that it works very effectively for me.

Did you look at the first post in the thread that I linked Omniverse? ---that says it better than I can but that is a complete awakened shift.
I have experienced enough to know that this is possible for everyone.


Best wishes
Chris

[regnak]

Omniverse great post

look up the work of Walter Russell similar but greater depth there is a lot more to it

[Constance]

Here we are discussing something so critical to our understanding of our place in the universe. It should be so blindingly obvious, immutable and attainable to us all... And yet it isn't!
Until that time does come, it makes me wonder how we are all going to find our way to peace on earth, together. Not together alone.

[Selkie]

Posted by greybeard (here)
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I would not be comfortable standing on the edge of a cliff--I am not going into a lions cage---I dont have to think about it...

What about more subtle, ambiguous situations?

[joeecho]

The problem with 'nonduality' is that as soon as 'it' enters the world of form, words, ideas, objects, any discussion about 'it' is spoken in regards to duality. Nondualiy/ duality is the ultimate duality yet it is nonexistent.

Even using words like form conjures it's opposite in formless. One could say that nonduality is formless but that would be the opposite of form and hence one is back or better yet, never left duality.

Words (ideas) such as nonduality, nothing, formless only hint at the real 'thing'.



.....but don't take my word for it, it's just an idea.

[Apophenia]

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
Sorry without studying the subject deeply for years you are going to make assumptions.
Right action comes about all by itself.
I can not explain in a few sentences what non-duality is really about.
When you know the seeming other to be one with you then you will automatically follow the first two suggestions of Christ (I prefer the word suggestion rather than commandment. ) Basically love your brother as yourself.
That being done, then wars, materialism etc come to a natural end. These are all products of the egomaniacs.

I don't expect you to agree with me Omniverse--all I know is that studying non-duality has lead me to have a fuller, more compassionate, balanced life.

Best wishes
Chris

I guess that is all that matters, if it has helped you. I am still curious though. If rape, murder, child abuse, and genocide are not bad. What would you label them as?

Although I'm not GB, it is a good question that deserves an answer.

The simplest and quickest answer is that they are and always will be, any attempt to try to end all crime, bigotry, pain, suffering, genocide, etc... runs the risk of the following:
1) Reality becoming boring, predictable, or too linear.
2) The person advocating it, if they aren't generally naive and are serious in implementing it, would end up creating a society or system that would mimic what the presiding elite claim to want.
3) The risk of actually carrying out these described extremes with the best of intentions, and another risk of being tarred in history books as doing it for malevolent reasons, regardless of what the truth of the circumstance may be.
4) A high risk of resulting in a world that is totalitarianism-lite, at the very least.

One can be amoral without being a psychopath, nihilist, absurdist, or sadist. To suggest otherwise is to inadvertently lump all reality into a 2-dimensional perspective where there are never any shades of grey or extenuating circumstances.

[greybeard]

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by greybeard (here)
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I would not be comfortable standing on the edge of a cliff--I am not going into a lions cage---I dont have to think about it...

What about more subtle, ambiguous situations?

What I say can easily be misunderstood Selkie.
When the Ultimate (which is my Self) is surrendered to, guidance automatically happens.
To over simplify---I don't have to control my breathing or my footsteps, it just happens without any thought--this is part of thoughtless awareness.
Because, like many others, I have committed to "Self Realisation", whatever is helpful to the revealing of my "True" nature happens.
All seeming obstacles are brought into awareness to be let go of.
It could be called purification.
However the Sun (Self) is always shining --the obstacles to seeing this are the clouds that temporarily obscure the vision of this.

The belief is "Only God is" there is no where that God is not.
I don't mean a "God of judgement" but an energy that became all of us without diminishing itself.

That's as best I can answer your post Selkie.

Love Chris