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    Default Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    Today's shooting in Moneta, VA. Journalist and cameraman shot during live broadcast. Suspect kills self...

    Today's VA shooting

    Today's VA shooter's "excuse"

    Quote ...the 23-page document faxed to ABC News, the writer says “MY NAME IS BRYCE WILLIAMS” and his legal name is Vester Lee Flanagan II.” He writes what triggered today’s carnage was his reaction to the racism of the Charleston church shooting:

    “Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15...

    “What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them."
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    MONETA, Virginia (Reuters) - A television reporter and a cameraman were shot and killed during a live broadcast in Virginia on Wednesday in an attack authorities said was carried out by a former employee of the TV station.

    The suspect, 41-year-old Vester Flanagan, shot and wounded himself several hours later as police pursued him on a Virginia highway. He died later at the hospital, police said.

    Social media postings by a person who appeared to be Flanagan indicated the suspect had grievances against the station, CBS affiliate WDBJ7 in Roanoke, Virginia, which let him go two years ago.

    The WDBJ7 journalists who were killed were reporter Alison Parker, 24, and cameraman Adam Ward, 27. The woman being interviewed on the morning news program was wounded.

    The on-air shooting occurred at about 6:45 a.m. EDT (1045 GMT) during an interview at Bridgewater Plaza, a Smith Mountain Lake recreation site about 200 miles (320 km) southwest of Washington, D.C.

    The broadcast was abruptly interrupted by the sound of gunshots as Parker and the woman being interviewed, Vicki Gardner, executive director of the Smith Mountain Lake Regional Chamber of Commerce, screamed and ducked for cover.

    Hours after the shooting, someone claiming to have filmed it posted video online that appeared to be from the shooter's vantage point. The videos were posted to a Twitter account and on Facebook by a man identifying himself as Bryce Williams, which was Flanagan's on-air name.

    The videos were removed shortly afterward. One video clearly showed a handgun as the person filming approached the woman reporter.

    The person purporting to be Williams also posted, "I filmed the shooting see Facebook" as well as saying one of the victims had "made racist comments."

    Flanagan had sued another station where he worked in Florida, alleging he had been discriminated against because he was black.

    Flanagan said he was called a "monkey" by a producer in a lawsuit filed in federal court against a Tallahassee station, WTWC, in 2000. He also said a supervisor at the station called black people lazy. The Florida case was settled and dismissed the next year, court records show.



    *I can't bring myself to post the video or stills of the shooting. That just empowers the agenda(s) behind (or hoping to capitalize on) this...
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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    There was a book written in the 1990's about the CIA running an MK-ULTRA-type program around the Virginia Tech campus. Aside from the shooting at Virginia Tech, another foreign student decapitated someone in a cafeteria there, and the guy who shot up Fort Hood was also from Roanoke and had been involved with something to do with psychiatry at Virginia Tech.

    This could just be a nut, but the way it's all unfolded and blown up with the media makes me think back to what the CIA has been doing out of nearby Virginia Tech for at least about 20 years.


    Some links for checking back in with past events in this area:

    http://www.sott.net/article/130645-P...ind-Programmed

    http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/...lacksburg.html

    http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=295.0


    Quote On Saturday June 9th, 2007 Matthew Kazee called in to the Alex Ansary show to discuss the Underground DARPA base in Blacksburg Virginia. For years there have been rumors that hidden away in in Blacksburg was a top secret underground DARPA base where research was done on many things including robotics, chips for humans so they can control computers with their mind, and chips for computers to control people's minds.

    The rumors broke nationally from a woman by the name of Cathy O'Brien who wrote a book in 1995 called "Trance-Formation of America", in which she claimed that Bill Clinton was a partner with George Bush Sr. in a drug smuggling operation that was exposed in the Iran Contra Affair, and later proved by former D.E.A. Cele Castillo. It involved smuggling guns to the Contra's in exchange for cocaine which was air lifted by the C.I.A. in C-130 airplanes to the small town of Mena, Arkansas while Bill Clinton was Governor. O'Brien claimed that they had a plan to bring in a "new world order" and after people got tired of Republicans that Bill Clinton would be President. This was decided in 1984.

    She also claims she was a victim of the M.K. Ultra Program in Blacksburg Virginia in a underground DARPA base located in "Butt Mountain". The strangest quote I read that Cathy O'Brien said was "Virginia Tech is good for two things, engineering and mind control." and that "most of the east coast M.K. Ultra Mind Control experiments happened in this DARPA facility." This was written in 1995, the same year that a plane crashed in to the White House on September 11 in an attempt to kill President Clinton.
    http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/...lacksburg.html
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    Quote Posted by bsbray (here)
    There was a book written in the 1990's about the CIA running an MK-ULTRA-type program around the Virginia Tech campus. Aside from the shooting at Virginia Tech, another foreign student decapitated someone in a cafeteria there, and the guy who shot up Fort Hood was also from Roanoke and had been involved with something to do with psychiatry at Virginia Tech.

    This could just be a nut, but the way it's all unfolded and blown up with the media makes me think back to what the CIA has been doing out of nearby Virginia Tech for at least about 20 years.

    You could say VA has a "rich history" in many respects. Thanks for posting the addition info.

    btw Does this sound like something a shooter might document in advance or more like laying the groundwork of "evidence" against a patsy?:


    “Why did I do it? I put down a deposit for a gun on 6/19/15. The Church shooting in Charleston happened on 6/17/15...

    “What sent me over the top was the church shooting. And my hollow point bullets have the victims’ initials on them."
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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?



    Guess they stuffed this one up.

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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    I had another thought today about this, when asking myself why this would be useful as a false flag, if that is indeed the case.

    Public trust in media is way down lately, to the point where most Americans inherently do not trust what they see on media. I think the situation with Donald Trump is making this divide between the media of the wealthy and the views of the common people particularly clear, because while Trump leads the polls for the republican candidacy, all mainstream media networks seem to be constantly bashing him every day. Not only should this send a wake up call to Americans, that all media is severely biased and not interested at all in what the majority of people think as long as they have an assigned agenda to promote, but all of this negative media coverage has not taken Trump out of the lead in these polls yet either.

    This may not be the only issue here but it's indicative of how little credibility the US public gives to the CIA-trained media anymore. Their social experiment has been running out of steam and when their credibility gets low to a critical point, they're just one Bastille away from a very unpleasant turn of events for them, especially as knowledgeable as people are beginning to become today and how rapidly information travels.

    So by having this event today, if it was truly engineered for social reasons, I can see how it would serve to make people sympathize with news anchors more and thereby give more credence to the stories they report. I feel very sorry that this happened, and I believe that the news crew at WDBJ7 are all wonderful people. But the overall machine that is the mainstream media in the US today is still guilty on a high level of what I think would amount to war crimes, in the sense that the wealthy powers behind the major news companies are essentially waging an information war on American citizens.

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    Quote Posted by breal (here)
    Guess they stuffed this one up.
    These people are likely trained not to turn their attention or especially the camera away from what they are supposed to be doing just because people are coming or going around them, as it interferes with the quality of the report once you see it on TV. It would be immensely distracting if someone was being interviewed while the camera man and interviewer kept looking around at everything going on around them, and you rarely see this even when reporters are in public around a lot of people. This is not a dangerous area to live in, either, so there is normally no reason of immediate physical danger to even have to pay attention to what is going on around you.

    As far as the camera not being pointed at the interview taking place, the live feed that was going out on TV from the news station itself is available and I'm sure you would be able to compare and contrast between the two, as obviously someone was filming that interview for the news station at some point in time.

    None of the shots that I saw would have prevented that woman from running, especially once the adrenaline kicked in, and the amount of time it took her to respond by running also seems totally natural to me. Her first response was not to run but simply an expression of shock and incomprehension as to what had just happened a split second before.

    I would not be surprised if the gunman were a product of some kind of program that spawned from MK ULTRA, but the whole situation just feels way too real to me to be faked on that level, and there still are lots of very malicious people out there who are not afraid to kill in order to push their agenda. The cries, the reaction of the woman in the newsrooms, all of it, and it is disturbing to watch because of how real it is.

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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    Quote Posted by bsbray (here)
    These people are likely trained...
    Quote Posted by breal (here)
    Guess they stuffed this one up.
    Interesting, the video isn't half as scary as the frame stills. Even without the goofy music. No wonder the photos are plastered all over MSM...they'll get much more mileage out of those.

    I agree she wouldn't have allowed for a distraction if they were filming. Shooter said he had loaded hollow point bullets (maximum stopping power, minimal collateral damage), so, if actually hit three times wouldn't the final moments of the scene have played out differently?
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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    How will 'they' explain this one away?

    BAM! TOTALLY IRREVOCABLY CONFIRMED FALSE FLAG: CHRIS HURST, A NEWS ANCHOR AT THE STATION, TWEETED THE SHOOTING 12 MINUTES BEFORE IT HAPPENED AND HE WAS NOT OUT OF TOWN, THE TIME STAMP IS FOR VIRGINIA!

    http://82.221.129.208/ad2index.html


    Quote There is no way she would not have been knocked off her high heels, there was no body shudder when the bullets supposedly hit, no impact stutter in her voice as she screamed through two gun shots, no camera jerk from gun kick as the shooter fires and she runs away on high heels at full speed in perfect condition with no marks visible anywhere, on either side of her body while the shooter supposedly turns on the camera man.
    The shooter supposedly had hollow-point bullets, look on youtube to see the damage they cause.

    The first-person shooter video: http://www.jimstonefreelance.com/shooting.mp4

    Can you see what is wrong with this situation?

    Those are blank rounds he is firing, you can hear it. This is so sloppy, but 'they' don't care.

    Oh....... and now the shooter is dead, how convenient.

    American Brothers' and Sisters'.......... they want your guns, big time.



    We better hold on to our hats'............ these events are coming thick and fast.


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    Was this video a RE-ENACTMENT? I thought the shooter was a BLACK MAN. The hand holding the gun was very definitely WHITE! All sorts of false flags are being done to manipulate public opinion. However, I will say that employed people are treated with great disrespect and fired in a manner, it would appear, intended to provoke a lifetime of hatred and resentment, even more so among those who may be unstable and require handling with greater love and concern.

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    Quote Posted by breal (here)
    Guess they stuffed this one up.
    I'm undecided. The point they do not look at him surely is faulty reasoning though IMHO. Reporters have to ignore all sorts of people hovering around them while recording, so that isn't surprising. How many reporters stop what they are doing and acknowledge people around them while interviewing someone? I've never seen it once.

    The first shot I'm not sure even would hit her, if it wasn't a blank. One of the shots looks like it would hit her, but I'm still not sure if it would. And if it did it may have hit her in the arm, not the body.

    Very well could be fake given what we know about mainstream media and false flags, but I'm not convinced personally.

    If they are faking these i wouldn't be surprised if they move these people to some SSP base on the moon or mars though. Just a thought...

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    Quote Posted by bsbray (here)
    These people are likely trained not to turn their attention or especially the camera away from what they are supposed to be doing just because people are coming or going around them, as it interferes with the quality of the report once you see it on TV. It would be immensely distracting if someone was being interviewed while the camera man and interviewer kept looking around at everything going on around them, and you rarely see this even when reporters are in public around a lot of people. This is not a dangerous area to live in, either, so there is normally no reason of immediate physical danger to even have to pay attention to what is going on around you.
    Yes, this is indeed a fair point. It doesn't, however, explain to me why the woman being interviewed doesn't look up or notice the shooter. She most likely hasn't had such training, and she's standing in a position where she easily should've noticed a man standing two meters away from her pointing a gun towards the woman interviewing her with an outstretched arm. While trained journalists indeed rarely turn their attention away from what they're doing, regular people being interviewed often do.

    When you watch the live broadcested footage, I also find the interviewee's reaction to the gunshots a bit off to be honest... To me her reaction looks more like she wasn't expecting the shots to be this loud, rather than not expecting someone to fire a gun in the first place. Almost as if she was told beforehand that this was going to happen but was still startled by how loud the shots turned out to be. Also notice how she still doesn't look towards the shooter when he fires his gun. Again, almost as if she was told not to pay any attention to him. If she really didn't notice him coming towards them, or tried to stay professional and ignored him up until that point, wouldn't he still be the first thing she would look at after he would unexpectedly fire a gun so close to her?

    I also think it's a little too convenient that the cameraman just happened to start taking shots of the environment as the shooter starts his recording (which is a very strange thing to do in the first place) and starts to walk towards them, giving the shooter the time and chance to get so close to the trio while holding a gun. I have operated as a sound man for various multimedia productions and have thus spent a lot of time side by side with many cameramen, and I can say that even though they obviously spend a lot of time looking through their camera lense, they certainly don't loose sight of what's happening around them. An experienced cameraman, especially one working on his own without someone beside him to guide his steps, still has to pay close attention to what's happening around him so that he has the ability to adept to possible changes or happenings in his surroundings without it affecting the quality of his work. I've even seen cameramen holding off bystanders whilst continuing filming.
    So if the cameraman would've had his camera pointed at the two women he most definitely would've noticed the shooter coming close to them. Let alone him carrying a gun and pointing it towards the interviewer several times.

    You can also hear the shooter whispering "bitch" when he's standing right behind the cameraman before pointing his gun which he certainly could've heard him say. I'm just saying, couldn't the cameraman just have turned his head for a second while keeping his camera steady to see who said that? After all, it's not like they were filming in a crowded place with lots of people messing around. In fact, there wasn't even any one else around. So when you suddenly hear someone whispering the word "bitch" nearly right next to your ear while you, a male cameraman, are filming a woman interviewing another woman who are standing alone on a porch, I'd think that would at least cause some sort of reaction, wouldn't it?

    If all this really happened then of course it's absolutely terrible. But a lot of things just don't add up for me and the whole thing just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

    Edit: I would just like to add, as others have also rightfully mentioned already, that it feels to me that the shooter's twitter posts and his first person footage were needed to absolutely convince the people that it did actually happen, as not a whole lot can be seen and made out from the original live footage. Again, it's just too convenient. If the live footage was all that was available there would simply be a lot more questions. Whereas now they seem to have the material to take away any doubts certain people might still have.

    Edit #2: I actually just realised one more thing that I didn't pick up the first few times I watched the first person footage. And that is the fact that the cameraman isn't wearing headphones... At first I thought he was, but after closer inspection it turned out to be just sunglasses that he was wearing on his head.
    As I said, I have worked as a sound man and it's an absolute necessity during these kind of productions for someone to check and keep an eye on the audio recording. Usually this is the sound man's job, obviously, but when one isn't present and the cameraman is working alone this becomes his task. With a camera like the one he is using the sound picked up from the microphone which is plugged into the camera, as you can see in the footage, gets recorded right onto the tape. But the gain of the microphone (i.e. the volume) still has to be checked and adjusted. If you don't, then there is, first of all, a chance that you're not recording any sound at all, but also that it's either too soft or too loud, etc.
    Now the footage obviously has sound, so there's a chance that he checked his sound input and gained the interviewer's mic beforehand (I would assume he did), and then took off his headphones... But that is still a very uncommon thing to do. Because in that case you simply can't hear if, for instance, the recording suddenly started clipping, or if the mic maybe happened to pick up an airplane flying over or a car driving by causing the speach of either the interviewer or the interviewee to become unintelligible. Which, when found out later on, would simply render the interview either partially or completely useless - something that is absolutey unacceptable in that line of work and has to be prevented at all costs. In other words; a risk no half-decent cameraman would take.
    It's actually a very common thing and the reason why they often have to do one or multiple retakes just to get the audio right. So for the cameraman not to wear headphones is not only very strange but also simply unprofessional and just one more reason for me to believe that this never was intented to be a serious television production.
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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    Above all the points brought up above, I just think one thing is missing in this video of three people being shot..... And that would be someone actually getting shot. Bodies don't just absorb bullets. I was skeptical from the jump when I saw this yesterday morning.

    Hollow point bullets blow holes through people. And at that close range, no way would she be running, no way.


    And I agree the reporter is trained to be distracted but that doesn't account for the lady being interviewed just pretending to not see the huge man with a gun standing three feet in front of them.

    Scary world we live in. And it's Not because people have access to fire arms, it's scary because we have people running the show who are manipulating and controlling the masses emotions to conform to their laws and principles.

    It's like they will keep putting out these disgusting live movies of mass murder until they start rounding up anyone who owns guns.

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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    You guys notice she turns and glances quickly at the supposed shooter well before shots rang out?

    I'm interested to know what injuries the lady being interviewed has, her last name is gardener I believe. There's a bunch of weird things im noticing and that has been brought to attention.

    The camera mans "supposed" shot of the shooter which was time stamped 6:00am, the shootings didn't start till 6:46.

    The reporters boyfriend is creepy, all smiley and no tears...and he said that morning she was happier than he's ever seen her. Weird.

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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    Also, from the shooter's camera it appears that his right shirt-sleeve is unbuttoned.




    From the cameraman's camera the picture is a bit dark, but doesn't it appear that the shooter's right shirt-sleeve is wrapped fairly tight around his wrist, as it should if it were buttoned?



    And you're correct Saint Theresa. The time-stamp on the live video camera was 6:45 (with no "a" to denote AM), yet the time-stamp on the still shot of the shooter is 6:00a, from the very same camera.

    Oh and also notice that the time-stamps appear on opposite sides of the banner.




    There's some really serious crock-o-nonsense going on here!


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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    Excellent observation Harley.

    Is that a white hand holding the gun? Could be a trick of light, but looks like one to me, compared to the picture of the shooter whose skin looks to be a lot darker.

    Someone at work mentioned the big blast in China, "that happened the other month". Look at the effect Fracturing has on the collective memory of the citizenry.

    Look how this event is slipping out of the collective mindset. Was not even mentioned on last night's evening news (UK). The fracturing of attention span goes on unabated.

    Next?

    More death and destruction for our viewing delight.

    Hold steady.......... Citizens'.



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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    Quote Posted by Citizen No2 (here)
    Is that a white hand holding the gun? Could be a trick of light, but looks like one to me, compared to the picture of the shooter whose skin looks to be a lot darker.
    I didn't want to say because it could be lighting.

    But I will say (for what it's worth) that the shade of the hand does look pretty comparable to the shade of her legs.

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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    Thx Harley, I think that does it for me. Yet another hoax...

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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    Quote Quote Posted by Citizen No2 (here)
    Is that a white hand holding the gun? Could be a trick of light, but looks like one to me, compared to the picture of the shooter whose skin looks to be a lot darker
    Quote Video and photographic evidence suggests assailant in video is white, yet so-called shooter Bryce Williams is black
    http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com/2015...cameraman.html

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    Default Re: Piggyback False Flag? Today's VA Shooter Blamed Charleston Shooting?

    One thing that seemed very odd to me right off the bat, was the report that the shooter FAXED his manifesto into ABC news, 2 hours after the shooting.

    First who uses faxes anymore, and second how the he** was he able to get access to a fax machine while he was supposedly on the run from the police 2 hours later? Wasn't he supposed to have gone to the airport to switch vehicles after the shooting? So when did he have time never mind the wherewithal to do this?

    John & Adam do a good deconstruction on this event early in their Thursday show.
    http://www.noagendashow.com

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