A Flat Earth not Round ...?

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by aviators (here)
The FE topic is intriguing for some and amusing for others. Thanks to all members who have collaborated respectfully.
The "direct" southern airline flights say from Australia to South America according to the FE researchers don't exist.
See picture.Attachment 30999

Most flights have connecting stops. This doubles the time of the trip. Hmm...
I'm sure someone could document one of these non stop flights. Maybe

,,,

RE: the "long haul flight" -- just because an airline has connections between those destinations in that order does not constitute evidence for a flat earth. It's a bit like saying, "since hwy 33 goes to <place x> I guess that means hwy 42 <alternoute route to place x> doesn't exist!" -- flawed logic.

Did you not read through my post #203 (edit - corrected post#)? I linked to an account of someone who took a flight from south America to Australia, where he even took pictures and posted them. Let us not discount the actual flights that you can pay for right now as indicated by Bill.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
You ask, "How could these sundials work correctly on a spinning ball that’s also spinning around the sun" ... this is NOT the question. The question is, explain to me how a sundial would NOT work if the earth rotated around the sun. Show me how it wouldn't work. Find evidence that this shouldn't work, and ensure to only use resources that consider the accurate scales of the real life models (ie proper scale, distances, and sizes of the spheres, because this is important).

Nice cop out, answer a question with a question.

I am not convinced.

I want scientific experimental evidence that the earth is moving, not theoretical mathematics, geometry or physics.

What does this type of evidence look like? This "scientific" evidence that uses no math, geometry or physics? Describe it to me. Basically you are saying, "I want scientific evidence that isn't determined by using science." Do you realize how absurdly silly that sounds?

It's stances like this that make it so easy to dismiss flat earthers ... yet here we are providing evidence that is discounting the "flat earth" evidence piece by piece, using science and any other resource necessary, and now, because of that, we are requested to present scientific evidence without science to satisfy the methodology a flat earther requires us to employ before considering the evidence?

[aviators]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by aviators (here)
The FE topic is intriguing for some and amusing for others. Thanks to all members who have collaborated respectfully.
The "direct" southern airline flights say from Australia to South America according to the FE researchers don't exist.
See picture.Attachment 30999

Most flights have connecting stops. This doubles the time of the trip. Hmm...
I'm sure someone could document one of these non stop flights. Maybe

,,,

Did you not read through my post #26? I linked to an account of someone who took a flight from south America to Australia, where he even took pictures and posted them.

I would be interested in this. Please post the link here if you don't mind?

[araucaria]

Posted by aviators (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by aviators (here)
The FE topic is intriguing for some and amusing for others. Thanks to all members who have collaborated respectfully.
The "direct" southern airline flights say from Australia to South America according to the FE researchers don't exist.
See picture.Attachment 30999

Most flights have connecting stops. This doubles the time of the trip. Hmm...
I'm sure someone could document one of these non stop flights. Maybe

,,,

Did you not read through my post #26? I linked to an account of someone who took a flight from south America to Australia, where he even took pictures and posted them.

I would be interested in this. Please post the link here if you don't mind?

I think he should mind - why don't you just go and look at post #26 for yourself?

[loveoflife]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
You ask, "How could these sundials work correctly on a spinning ball that’s also spinning around the sun" ... this is NOT the question. The question is, explain to me how a sundial would NOT work if the earth rotated around the sun. Show me how it wouldn't work. Find evidence that this shouldn't work, and ensure to only use resources that consider the accurate scales of the real life models (ie proper scale, distances, and sizes of the spheres, because this is important).

Nice cop out, answer a question with a question.

I am not convinced.

I want scientific experimental evidence that the earth is moving, not theoretical mathematics, geometry or physics.

What does this type of evidence look like? This "scientific" evidence that uses no math, geometry or physics? Describe it to me. Basically you are saying, "I want scientific evidence that isn't determined by using science." Do you realize how absurdly silly that sounds?

It's stances like this that make it so easy to dismiss flat earthers ... yet here we are providing evidence that is discounting the "flat earth" evidence piece by piece, using science and any other resource necessary, and now, because of that, we are requested to present scientific evidence without science to satisfy the methodology a flat earther requires us to employ before considering the evidence?

Something like the -Michleson-Morley Experiment’s. Equations are not experiments. What you say also what makes it easy to dismiss indoctrinated scientists who view science as some sort of religion.

Tesla changed the world with his many experiments, he criticised Einstein and never dismissed aether.

Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.
Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by araucaria (here)

Posted by aviators (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by aviators (here)
The FE topic is intriguing for some and amusing for others. Thanks to all members who have collaborated respectfully.
The "direct" southern airline flights say from Australia to South America according to the FE researchers don't exist.
See picture.Attachment 30999

Most flights have connecting stops. This doubles the time of the trip. Hmm...
I'm sure someone could document one of these non stop flights. Maybe

,,,

Did you not read through my post #26? I linked to an account of someone who took a flight from south America to Australia, where he even took pictures and posted them.

I would be interested in this. Please post the link here if you don't mind?

I think he should mind - why don't you just go and look at post #26 for yourself?

Actually I got the post# wrong by a longshot -- it is #203

Aviator, I prefer that my entire post be read within it's context. I posted a link to it. in this post.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
You ask, "How could these sundials work correctly on a spinning ball that’s also spinning around the sun" ... this is NOT the question. The question is, explain to me how a sundial would NOT work if the earth rotated around the sun. Show me how it wouldn't work. Find evidence that this shouldn't work, and ensure to only use resources that consider the accurate scales of the real life models (ie proper scale, distances, and sizes of the spheres, because this is important).

Nice cop out, answer a question with a question.

I am not convinced.

I want scientific experimental evidence that the earth is moving, not theoretical mathematics, geometry or physics.

What does this type of evidence look like? This "scientific" evidence that uses no math, geometry or physics? Describe it to me. Basically you are saying, "I want scientific evidence that isn't determined by using science." Do you realize how absurdly silly that sounds?

It's stances like this that make it so easy to dismiss flat earthers ... yet here we are providing evidence that is discounting the "flat earth" evidence piece by piece, using science and any other resource necessary, and now, because of that, we are requested to present scientific evidence without science to satisfy the methodology a flat earther requires us to employ before considering the evidence?

Something like the -Michleson-Morley Experiment’s. Equations are not experiments. What you say also what makes it easy to dismiss indoctrinated scientists who view science as some sort of religion.

Tesla changed the world with his many experiments, he criticised Einstein and never dismissed aether.

Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.
Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934

So you mean a bit like, get an actual account from someone who made the flight from south America to to Australia, who took photos over Antarctica along the way? You mean like present airline ticket sales options for the flight, stuff like that? If only someone would do this ...

I understand that perhaps you can't work with or choose to dismiss all deductive reasoning, some people can, some people just can't grasp it or choose to dismiss it, which is why I presented the breadth of resources I have, all which support the "theoretical science". Still not good enough? Still worthy of dismissal? In fact that is all the Michleson-Morley experiments do, create a theoretical expectation from scientific theory and math, then test against that. This is exactly what has happened on this thread. I presented the impossibility of any flight from south America to Australia if the earth is flat, then checked into flights and they did exist. Then I found a first hand account of someone who made this trip, spoke about it, photographed it, and presented the photos. Bill also looked into these flights and posted images. Do you assume that we are all in cahoots, and really know the earth is flat, but just make up or fake evidence to try to trick you? The only reason someone would post their photos of their trip from SA to Aus on a travel site if it didn't happen would be if he knew the earth was really flat and was just trying to trick people into maintaining the that it is a sphere. Does that sound plausible?

The only reason an airline would sell tickets to an impossible destination would be if they were hiding the secret of a flat earth -- meaning they all know well that the earth is flat and they are trying to trick us. How many people would be required to keep this secret in the world? As I mentioned in an earlier post, are all these people who work in these industries forced to sign a waiver of "flat earth secrecy?". I don't buy that for a second, and neither should you. None of that logic is math or theory, and all mentioned in my previous posts, but it still won't be considered - if even read in the first place, I know. Evidence appears to be mounting in support of Bill's comment a few of his posts back ...

[Hervé]

Some people put themselves in good company:

"The Earth is flat. Those who claim that it is spherical are atheists and should be punished"
Sheikh Abdul Aziz bin Abdullah bin Baz, The highest religious authority of Saudi Arabia, 1993

... reminds me of those other guys, way back when:

[Marren]

Flat earth? Seriously? We have serious issues in this world and you are debating flat earth theory. There are so many ways you can dissprove this ridiculous idea. For one snipers have to take the curvature of the earth in consideration when setting up a shot. I could keep going, but it would be so silly.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Marren (here)

snipers have to take the curvature of the earth in consideration when setting up a shot.

Thank you for that. I learned something there. (You see, we all can. )

Do read this fascinating article:
http://washingtoncitypaper.com/artic...t-the-coriolis

It's a tiny effect, but the longest authenticated sniper kill was at a distance of 2.5 km (1.5 miles). That's quite something. EVERYTHING counts if you want that accuracy. There are quite a few discussions on the net about what's needed. Here's one:


Do Snipers Compensate for the Earth’s Rotation?

I recently read an article about a Navy SEAL sniper. The author lists possible variables that go into determining a shot, one of which is the rotation of the earth. How exactly does this affect a bullet in flight? Also, for my nonsniper purposes, does it affect my gas mileage? —Jason, Sacramento

The article I’m guessing you saw, entitled “The Way of the Sniper,” appeared in Men’s Journal, November 30, 2009. Written by Rick Telander, it tells the story of Navy sniper Scott Tyler. Telander writes:

“Each rifle a sniper uses has unique characteristics that are compounded by the ammunition and many, many exterior factors. There is wind. There is humidity. There is the spin of the Earth. There is even the fact that as a rifle is fired, its barrel heats up, the metal contracts, and the bullets are propelled faster.”

Reading this, your columnist didn’t doubt the rotation of the earth affects a bullet in flight. That’s because of the Coriolis effect: Any object moving horizontally on or near the earth’s surface is deflected slightly off course due to the spinning of the planet. The Coriolis effect has a big effect on phenomena like hurricanes and other weather systems, a small effect on small objects. But if the small object is a precisely aimed rifle bullet, and that bullet travels far enough, it’s not something you can completely ignore.

The question in my mind was: Wow, if at all, did a shooter account for the Coriolis effect when aiming? Your wind, your humidity, and for that matter your temperature and barometric pressure—these are all dynamic conditions that, to varying degrees, a marksman will factor into each shot. However, it’s hard to imagine a sniper on the field of battle thinking, “Damn, I better get the latest data on the rotation of the earth.”

Una agreed this was unlikely and began inquiring about what shooters actually do. She couldn’t reach Telander or a military sniper but did talk things over with a couple of hard-core target shooters at her local rifle range and online. Based on that plus her own calculations, she determined as follows:

1. Range is critical. At 100 yards, typical of what a police sharpshooter might encounter, most environmental factors, including the Coriolis effect, are negligible. But military snipers generally are much farther away, typically 400 yards and up—the current world record for a confirmed kill in combat is 2,430 meters, or roughly 1.5 miles.

2. At 1,000 yards the Coriolis deflection is small but not necessarily trivial. Una computed that at the latitude of Sacramento, a bullet traveling 1,000 yards would be deflected about three inches to the right. In addition, because gravity pulls the bullet down as it flies, you’d have to aim higher or lower depending on the degree to which you were facing east or west. If you were firing due east, you’d have to aim six inches lower, since the earth is rotating toward you, meaning your target would be slightly closer by the time the bullet arrived. If you were firing due west, you’d have to aim six inches higher.

3. Amateur long-range shooters can improve their aim using laser range finders and scopes with bullet-drop compensators; they’ll also consult cheat sheets of bullet and rifle performance and their own log of prior results, called a DOPE (“Data on Personal Equipment”) book. Military snipers may not always have access to such stuff in combat. But let’s take it as given that, one way or another, you can adjust for obvious environmental factors in the field—no doubt the best shooters do it instinctively.

4. Horizontal deflection caused by the Coriolis effect is more esoteric but in theory easy to adjust for, since it’s a function of your distance from the equator. When possible, any shooter, whether professional or amateur, makes a few test shots on arriving at a new location and tweaks his or her sights accordingly. Mostly this is to correct for maladjustments due to jostling in transit and such, but it also compensates for the Coriolis effect.

5. As we’ve seen, vertical deflection depends on, and can vary considerably according to, what direction you’re shooting. Nonetheless, none of the amateur shooters we heard from worried much about it, and my guess is military snipers don’t, either. More important things can go wrong, and besides, assuming your target is standing, what’s a couple inches up or down?

Turning now to your wimpy civilian concerns: Don’t sweat the Coriolis effect on your gas mileage. In Sacramento, the rotation of the earth causes your car to drift about 16 feet to the right per mile. That may be an issue if you’re barreling down a narrow two-lane, but correcting for it costs you less than a hundredth of a mile per gallon.

[DeDukshyn]

Posted by Marren (here)
Flat earth? Seriously? We have serious issues in this world and you are debating flat earth theory. There are so many ways you can dissprove this ridiculous idea. For one snipers have to take the curvature of the earth in consideration when setting up a shot. I could keep going, but it would be so silly.

Flat earther's would have a different explanation for that, something like, "scientists lie about what direction gravity pulls from to keep us from finding out about the flat earth. They purposefully gave us the wrong numbers in case a sniper ever noticed that his bullet didn't actually curve as he would have expected if the earth was a rotating sphere, exposing the flat earth secret." - that would be about par for the course. We aren't allowed to use math apparently.


So you see the challenge at hand Some of us like challenges and are otherwise bored

[araucaria]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
Actually I got the post# wrong by a longshot

Looks like you need to compensate for the Earth's rotation
The mistake doesn't invalidate my comment; if anything it makes matters worse. If you are arguing something, the least you can do is to have read the previous page. It's not even lazy; if one is prepared to make a post to request a reference, it has to be something else.

[KiwiElf]

And if you're talking flight times, you also need to take into account the west vs east jetstream; ie go one way, you're flying into a HEADwind; on the return you have a TAILwind. (Sure, some airlines crank the cruising speed right back to minimal and pump it up to go into the headwind and average out the fuel usage), ie the trip from NZ to Sydney takes longer than the reverse, although it's the same distance.

[loveoflife]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)
You ask, "How could these sundials work correctly on a spinning ball that’s also spinning around the sun" ... this is NOT the question. The question is, explain to me how a sundial would NOT work if the earth rotated around the sun. Show me how it wouldn't work. Find evidence that this shouldn't work, and ensure to only use resources that consider the accurate scales of the real life models (ie proper scale, distances, and sizes of the spheres, because this is important).

Nice cop out, answer a question with a question.

I am not convinced.

I want scientific experimental evidence that the earth is moving, not theoretical mathematics, geometry or physics.

What does this type of evidence look like? This "scientific" evidence that uses no math, geometry or physics? Describe it to me. Basically you are saying, "I want scientific evidence that isn't determined by using science." Do you realize how absurdly silly that sounds?

It's stances like this that make it so easy to dismiss flat earthers ... yet here we are providing evidence that is discounting the "flat earth" evidence piece by piece, using science and any other resource necessary, and now, because of that, we are requested to present scientific evidence without science to satisfy the methodology a flat earther requires us to employ before considering the evidence?

Something like the -Michleson-Morley Experiment’s. Equations are not experiments. What you say also what makes it easy to dismiss indoctrinated scientists who view science as some sort of religion.

Tesla changed the world with his many experiments, he criticised Einstein and never dismissed aether.

Today's scientists have substituted mathematics for experiments, and they wander off through equation after equation, and eventually build a structure which has no relation to reality.
Nikola Tesla, Modern Mechanics and Inventions, July, 1934

So you mean a bit like, get an actual account from someone who made the flight from south America to to Australia, who took photos over Antarctica along the way? You mean like present airline ticket sales options for the flight, stuff like that? If only someone would do this ...

I understand that perhaps you can't work with or choose to dismiss all deductive reasoning, some people can, some people just can't grasp it or choose to dismiss it, which is why I presented the breadth of resources I have, all which support the "theoretical science". Still not good enough? Still worthy of dismissal? In fact that is all the Michleson-Morley experiments do, create a theoretical expectation from scientific theory and math, then test against that. This is exactly what has happened on this thread. I presented the impossibility of any flight from south America to Australia if the earth is flat, then checked into flights and they did exist. Then I found a first hand account of someone who made this trip, spoke about it, photographed it, and presented the photos. Bill also looked into these flights and posted images. Do you assume that we are all in cahoots, and really know the earth is flat, but just make up or fake evidence to try to trick you? The only reason someone would post their photos of their trip from SA to Aus on a travel site if it didn't happen would be if he knew the earth was really flat and was just trying to trick people into maintaining the that it is a sphere. Does that sound plausible?

The only reason an airline would sell tickets to an impossible destination would be if they were hiding the secret of a flat earth -- meaning they all know well that the earth is flat and they are trying to trick us. How many people would be required to keep this secret in the world? As I mentioned in an earlier post, are all these people who work in these industries forced to sign a waiver of "flat earth secrecy?". I don't buy that for a second, and neither should you. None of that logic is math or theory, and all mentioned in my previous posts, but it still won't be considered - if even read in the first place, I know. Evidence appears to be mounting in support of Bill's comment a few of his posts back ...

Im am sorry but all i hear is evasion, and no proof that the earth is not moving.

It is obvious from your stance that you will deny anything offered concerning a flat earth and one flaw is enough to bring the house of cards tumbling down. Flat earthers are in a similar frame of mind especially with gravity the magic answer for everything, i sit on the fence.

I wont comment on that flight i do not have enough information. I have heard that there are direct flights on certain routes, that they are not a common occurrence and that one exception is not the rule. You cannot deny that there are a proliferation of indirect flights, going great distances away from the direct route.

Your suggestion that everyone needs to be in on the conspiracy is ridiculous, you should know by now thats not how conspiracies work.


As for the Michleson-Morley Experiment’s i found this video very interesting.

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=d7hkC47Tpb4

[Jake]

Im am sorry but all i hear is evasion, 

Now that IS priceless. One can listen for the sound of light refracting,, but it works better if one opens their eyes. It is better if one uses their own eyes! Indeed!

Jake

[loveoflife]

Posted by DeDukshyn (here)

Posted by Marren (here)
Flat earth? Seriously? We have serious issues in this world and you are debating flat earth theory. There are so many ways you can dissprove this ridiculous idea. For one snipers have to take the curvature of the earth in consideration when setting up a shot. I could keep going, but it would be so silly.

Flat earther's would have a different explanation for that, something like, "scientists lie about what direction gravity pulls from to keep us from finding out about the flat earth. They purposefully gave us the wrong numbers in case a sniper ever noticed that his bullet didn't actually curve as he would have expected if the earth was a rotating sphere, exposing the flat earth secret." - that would be about par for the course. We aren't allowed to use math apparently.


So you see the challenge at hand Some of us like challenges and are otherwise bored

Use maths by all means, though back it up with experiments in real time.

Surely this can be done with a sniper, who has to allow for air currents also.

There are many example of railways and canals that cover great distances also bridges that made no allowance for curvature.

Architects & Engineers for Flat Earth Truth

What raises the biggest doubt for me is what i am standing on Earth and its supposed curvature.

[loveoflife]

Posted by Marren (here)
Flat earth? Seriously? We have serious issues in this world and you are debating flat earth theory. There are so many ways you can dissprove this ridiculous idea. For one snipers have to take the curvature of the earth in consideration when setting up a shot. I could keep going, but it would be so silly.

Please do continue. There are those on both sides who do not consider this at all silly. They are very serious.

[Jake]

Im dead serious too... if the Earth is flat, and the moon is made of cheese, lets make a big Pizza!

Im not sorry.. The FE garbage only exists so that we can all be made fun of!

Maybe the universe is flat! Maybe consciousness is flat! Yesterday, my tire was flat! Thats proof enough for me...

Hey, look over there!

What?

Nothin! ABSOLUTELY FRIGGIN NOTHING...

jake

[Ron Mauer Sr]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Marren (here)

snipers have to take the curvature of the earth in consideration when setting up a shot.

Thank you for that. I learned something there. (You see, we all can. )

Do read this fascinating article:
http://washingtoncitypaper.com/artic...t-the-coriolis

It's a tiny effect, but the longest authenticated sniper kill was at a distance of 2.5 km (1.5 miles). That's quite something. EVERYTHING counts if you want that accuracy. There are quite a few discussions on the net about what's needed. Here's one:


Do Snipers Compensate for the Earth’s Rotation?

I recently read an article about a Navy SEAL sniper. The author lists possible variables that go into determining a shot, one of which is the rotation of the earth. How exactly does this affect a bullet in flight? Also, for my nonsniper purposes, does it affect my gas mileage? —Jason, Sacramento

The article I’m guessing you saw, entitled “The Way of the Sniper,” appeared in Men’s Journal, November 30, 2009. Written by Rick Telander, it tells the story of Navy sniper Scott Tyler. Telander writes:

“Each rifle a sniper uses has unique characteristics that are compounded by the ammunition and many, many exterior factors. There is wind. There is humidity. There is the spin of the Earth. There is even the fact that as a rifle is fired, its barrel heats up, the metal contracts, and the bullets are propelled faster.”

Reading this, your columnist didn’t doubt the rotation of the earth affects a bullet in flight. That’s because of the Coriolis effect: Any object moving horizontally on or near the earth’s surface is deflected slightly off course due to the spinning of the planet. The Coriolis effect has a big effect on phenomena like hurricanes and other weather systems, a small effect on small objects. But if the small object is a precisely aimed rifle bullet, and that bullet travels far enough, it’s not something you can completely ignore.

The question in my mind was: Wow, if at all, did a shooter account for the Coriolis effect when aiming? Your wind, your humidity, and for that matter your temperature and barometric pressure—these are all dynamic conditions that, to varying degrees, a marksman will factor into each shot. However, it’s hard to imagine a sniper on the field of battle thinking, “Damn, I better get the latest data on the rotation of the earth.”

Una agreed this was unlikely and began inquiring about what shooters actually do. She couldn’t reach Telander or a military sniper but did talk things over with a couple of hard-core target shooters at her local rifle range and online. Based on that plus her own calculations, she determined as follows:

1. Range is critical. At 100 yards, typical of what a police sharpshooter might encounter, most environmental factors, including the Coriolis effect, are negligible. But military snipers generally are much farther away, typically 400 yards and up—the current world record for a confirmed kill in combat is 2,430 meters, or roughly 1.5 miles.

2. At 1,000 yards the Coriolis deflection is small but not necessarily trivial. Una computed that at the latitude of Sacramento, a bullet traveling 1,000 yards would be deflected about three inches to the right. In addition, because gravity pulls the bullet down as it flies, you’d have to aim higher or lower depending on the degree to which you were facing east or west. If you were firing due east, you’d have to aim six inches lower, since the earth is rotating toward you, meaning your target would be slightly closer by the time the bullet arrived. If you were firing due west, you’d have to aim six inches higher.

3. Amateur long-range shooters can improve their aim using laser range finders and scopes with bullet-drop compensators; they’ll also consult cheat sheets of bullet and rifle performance and their own log of prior results, called a DOPE (“Data on Personal Equipment”) book. Military snipers may not always have access to such stuff in combat. But let’s take it as given that, one way or another, you can adjust for obvious environmental factors in the field—no doubt the best shooters do it instinctively.

4. Horizontal deflection caused by the Coriolis effect is more esoteric but in theory easy to adjust for, since it’s a function of your distance from the equator. When possible, any shooter, whether professional or amateur, makes a few test shots on arriving at a new location and tweaks his or her sights accordingly. Mostly this is to correct for maladjustments due to jostling in transit and such, but it also compensates for the Coriolis effect.

5. As we’ve seen, vertical deflection depends on, and can vary considerably according to, what direction you’re shooting. Nonetheless, none of the amateur shooters we heard from worried much about it, and my guess is military snipers don’t, either. More important things can go wrong, and besides, assuming your target is standing, what’s a couple inches up or down?

Turning now to your wimpy civilian concerns: Don’t sweat the Coriolis effect on your gas mileage. In Sacramento, the rotation of the earth causes your car to drift about 16 feet to the right per mile. That may be an issue if you’re barreling down a narrow two-lane, but correcting for it costs you less than a hundredth of a mile per gallon.

The influence of the Coriolis effect on windage adjustment (left/right compensation) seems incorrect as described here.

The rotational speed of the earth is the same rotational speed (not projectile spin caused by barrel twist) of the projectile launched from a firearm.

I am thinking no compensation for Coriolis effect is required.

I'm looking for further understanding.

[DarMar]

Interesting development pattern unfolding.

Planes are joker cards for proof nowadays it seems. GPS, math and projections are become constant.
But why stuff like this need to enter in our subconscious in this days? Why flat earth had begun spreading like plague in this times? would be good question.

Before humans believed earth is flat and it was important for them. Were they stupid? Considering monuments and some leftovers which are mostly covered, would not say that they were half brained.
But then came time that people start believe in globe model, discovered by simple conclusions by a mason dude. Before they have any means of flight and satellites to prove all of that. Than happens the same as in all of science model, they are adjusting all to fit their model.
And all ball earth believers were banished by evil christian flat earth cult.. where did I heard that before? Poor people crucified for their good deeds simply because of evil .. is a well known history pattern.

How belief system and religion is connected to all of that?
Is it coincidence that most of people searching knowledge today on inter-net?
That Switzerland gave us internet, or maybe read even better phoneticaly = sweet-cern-land. From Cern INTER-net came.. read with care, it is not outernet
How accidental is rebuilding all that Cernunnos stuff on exact spot? And how accidental is that sweet-cern-land royal guard is pope and vatican guards? How that spider-wide-web affects humans, and what it does to human associative learning and beliefs? How come world financial system is connected to Swiss? the stuff all people need to survive :D
Why is important to bring FE question to contradict RE now and collide red and blue pill to make purple one? we re on a blue marble as some people beLIEve.
Where do we seek our answers is important.. in A.I. web? because it is inter? hmmm... webs are made for fun or purpose?
Will we question other people that are programmed well into belief to kill another human is only way to survive (sniper to be more exact) to explain to us his belief system?
I can bet that he can be programmed to adjust his sniper to concave and convex optics adjustment, it is his brain which needs adjustment on end.
Recently i had been working on shooting simulation game with world's champion in air guns, and we had fun moment in making fine-tuning for optics on gun. I thought we should make some numerical values for optics so one knows for how much is fine-tuning. His answer was opposite.
As he explained to me, that targeting device is always on center and some people's brain works different.. some find easier that it is more left, some to the right, and almost none uses it to be 100% centered.. it is on end how brain and belief works.
And if one bullet needs to be adjusted for rotation of earth with projectile powered trajectory, how come floating easy movable clouds don't? they know to move in different directions around same area.. How come that rotation force does not affect above air currents?

Also projections and math are easily adjusted. With enough understanding one could make GPS projected on icosahedron if he wanted. Is than GPS enough to prove? it is just to find relative position in relation to other position of something. It can be projected on ANY shape.
It goes same for sundials, they sadly work on both models, spherical and flat.
But planes are interesting also, even though people flying it needs their jobs to survive (their own belief), and they are programmed to lie to keep it. should we believe them? are they better personas than snipers?
What is the problem of tracking planes with that 4 hours delay? And how that ties to 9-11 and MH370 and all of that plane crashes that happened? Is there really satellites out there, cause if they are, they surely don't work. What tie is there to privatisation and militarisation of GPS towers?
Radars have problem with curvature apparently, so new kinda of practice is investigated nowadays to make every pilot yell it's location every 15 minutes
MH370.. hmm 3+7=9 .. on March 8 .... 3+8= 11... hmmm 9-11 again?

Interesting link Bill for booking flight with almost no anomalies.. almost
Why Qantas is managed by LAN in some cases? and speaking of anomalies this comes handy too.. non-stop flight had to be redirected to.. one stop
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/qanta...val-guide.html
was that joker card? for proving roundness of something?
On end planes can fly where ever they want above clouds .. so direct knowing is excluded. specially tracking software which can be projected on any shape. Needs more sceptacles than spectacles IMHO.

Ball model has even some more problems in math and gaming (computer projections) read here

A major problem for this project was getting access to the data as there are so many countries involved and many feel the geographical data has strategic importance. Only after the developer got into contact with pilots and scientists who were actually in Antarctica things started to move forwards. Dozens of databases had to be combined and often these only existed in the paper format and had to be manually digitized. Often databases conflicted and details had to be found elsewhere.

Getting the aviation related information was easier but even here it was hard to find out what the real pilots are using. The respective organizations and pilots usually prefer to keep that information to themselves because (fuel/food/emergency-) supplies are very limited and therefore they don’t like anyone who’s not part of their select company to fly there.

Are they just on fear to loose their jobs? Hey, they have to FEED their family, right? it is what they believe..
People that daily perpetuate this system for their own benefit is not to be trusted for any word. Of course not their own benefit but their own family .. and that is different.. somehow i guess..

What stays in question is still.. why this stuff needs to enter our consciousness at this times?
One thing is for sure.. FE people definitely know something (like illuminati card suggests) but they know earth is not a ball, their flat model is wrong tho.
You can find many errors in their flat model map because you found it on INTERweb, so no surprises there. It is meant to be flawed. Same as ball earth model. All there to confuse.

But you will not find that we live in lens. You will not find that we project light rather than receive it from outer source, and hardly you will find that stars we see are projections on mirror from our inner self. Rather than being distant destination, they are already here in us.
Fear is only barricade in opening to that fact. Fear of being alone in the darkness.

I would post this on any other ball earth topic here, but hey there is none :D only ridiculed FE topic..But rather than laughable, to open mind will be very important confrontation and collision between two worlds.
Acceptance or fighting with it.
Fighting with swords and guns.. are you the one who made sword and gun, or you received them from someone to do his task?

I was already aware of mine understanding of relativity of time, also about relativity of space (position), and made it tons of times into practice.. What are time and space other than our own projections?
And what is shape of your reality is what you make of it based on anegdotes and beliefs. No more, no less..