The Law of Polarity ~ Dualistic Universe

[loveoflife]

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
Imagine that there is one energy with two polarities, two sides of a coin. Simultaneous oneness and difference.

Instead of aligning with one aspect of duality or the other transcend the polarities while retaining individuality.

Well of course.

However, it means that duality is real...that it is a real aspect of the universe...and not imaginary, as some people would like us to believe. We could not even imagine oneness if there was not duality to contrast it with.

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
Imagine that there is one energy with two polarities, two sides of a coin. Simultaneous oneness and difference.

Instead of aligning with one aspect of duality or the other transcend the polarities while retaining individuality.

Well of course.

However, it means that duality is real...that it is a real aspect of the universe...and not imaginary, as some people would like us to believe. We could not even imagine oneness if there was not duality to contrast it with.

One can imagine and dream many things---smiling broadly.
No limits to what the "mind of God" can come up with"

There are many books on non-duality that are written by those who are in that state.
Ancient text too.
That is first hand compelling evidence for me.

There is of course compelling evidence for duality and individuality.

Having started of believing in being an individual me, I get that.
Then having spent time reading, meditating, following the advice of Ramana Maharshi (self enquiry) First and foremost find out who/what you are, slowly but surely I have come to believe what I have expressed here. There is only one without a second and I am That.

Best wishes to all
Chris

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
...Simultaneous oneness and difference or 'Achintya-Bheda-Abheda' from the sanskrit. It translates as INCONCEIVABLE simultaneous oneness and difference and is a philosophy of the Vedanta school of Hinduism.

Here we go again: duality. We conceive of things and it is through the ability to conceive of things that we become aware that there of things of which we cannot conceive. It seems to be that only by being aware of duality can we conceive of oneness in the first place.

Posted by loveoflife (here)
My advice is be wary of hierarchies and those who put themselves above us in this life or the next.

I would certainly agree with that.

We are in duality here there is no denying it and everything that we examine through the filter of duality will be paradoxical, we just have to live with it and cling to our individual transcendent belief systems.

[greybeard]

loveoflife on the whole I am in agreement with you.
The various schools hold different opinions and they may or not be so.

What I like about the "path" of Self realisation is that "teachers" of this say that you are already enlightened, everything is, just in ignorance of this.
The teacher and the taught are seen as the same and there is no hierarchy, they point to what they experience as being the Truth and that Truth is within everyone waiting to be discovered.

Nothing created the knowing that I exist--nothing can take it away.
As said nothing exterior (Dual) is needed to know "I am".

While I agree that belief systems take you to what you believe in--during this life and in the here after, there would seem to be exceptions in that Eckhart Tolle for one had no spiritual beliefs yet a shift in consciousness happened.
There are others who gave up on searching for the Truth and years later it (enlightenment) just happened.

Most who are non dual teachers of the moment are not allied to a sect, group,philosophy, secret order, they just point to awareness, which is their ultimate experience,
Again words dont do it.
I really dont think it matters what individual transcendent belief system we have.
I dont think we should cling to it or identify with it ie as in "I am a non dualistic believer"
I think it is just enough to be present in the moment.

Not out to convince or prove anything--just enjoying the discussion.

Best wishes
Chris

[loveoflife]

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
Imagine that there is one energy with two polarities, two sides of a coin. Simultaneous oneness and difference.

Instead of aligning with one aspect of duality or the other transcend the polarities while retaining individuality.

Well of course.

However, it means that duality is real...that it is a real aspect of the universe...and not imaginary, as some people would like us to believe. We could not even imagine oneness if there was not duality to contrast it with.

Posted by greybeard (here)

Posted by Selkie (here)

Posted by loveoflife (here)
Imagine that there is one energy with two polarities, two sides of a coin. Simultaneous oneness and difference.

Instead of aligning with one aspect of duality or the other transcend the polarities while retaining individuality.

Well of course.

However, it means that duality is real...that it is a real aspect of the universe...and not imaginary, as some people would like us to believe. We could not even imagine oneness if there was not duality to contrast it with.

One can imagine and dream many things---smiling broadly.
No limits to what the "mind of God" can come up with"

There are many books on non-duality that are written by those who are in that state.
Ancient text too.
That is first hand compelling evidence for me.

There is of course compelling evidence for duality and individuality.

Having started of believing in being an individual me, I get that.
Then having spent time reading, meditating, following the advice of Ramana Maharshi (self enquiry) First and foremost find out who/what you are, slowly but surely I have come to believe what I have expressed here. There is only one without a second and I am That.

Best wishes to all
Chris

Posted by greybeard (here)
loveoflife on the whole I am in agreement with you.
The various schools hold different opinions and they may or not be so.

What I like about the "path" of Self realisation is that "teachers" of this say that you are already enlightened, everything is, just in ignorance of this.
The teacher and the taught are seen as the same and there is no hierarchy, they point to what they experience as being the Truth and that Truth is within everyone waiting to be discovered.

Nothing created the knowing that I exist--nothing can take it away.
As said nothing exterior (Dual) is needed to know "I am".

While I agree that belief systems take you to what you believe in--during this life and in the here after, there would seem to be exceptions in that Eckhart Tolle for one had no spiritual beliefs yet a shift in consciousness happened.
There are others who gave up on searching for the Truth and years later it (enlightenment) just happened.

Most who are non dual teachers of the moment are not allied to a sect, group,philosophy, secret order, they just point to awareness, which is their ultimate experience,
Again words dont do it.
I really dont think it matters what individual transcendent belief system we have.
I dont think we should cling to it or identify with it ie as in "I am a non dualistic believer"
I think it is just enough to be present in the moment.

Not out to convince or prove anything--just enjoying the discussion.

Best wishes
Chris

I agree, i do not deny the experience of enlightenment and that we are already there.

Enlightenment is virtually unknown in western mainstream philosophies. Yet is it the ultimate as some claim it to be, is there more? Even those who claim to be enlightened do not know everything life is still by and large a mystery.

I view enlightenment as a natural state of humans that has been taken away. It is a beginning and not a conclusion or ultimate goal.

[greybeard]

Posted by loveoflife

"I agree, i do not deny the experience of enlightenment and that we are already there.

Enlightenment is virtually unknown in western mainstream philosophies. Yet is it the ultimate as some claim it to be, is there more? Even those who claim to be enlightened do not know everything life is still by and large a mystery.

I view enlightenment as a natural state of humans that has been taken away. It is a beginning and not a conclusion or ultimate goal."
End of quote

I agree with all of that.
It may be that enlightenment Self realisation is attainable here and is the ultimate here on earth.
The late Dr Hawkins and I think Eckhart Tolle both said that enlightenment could be seen as kindergarten from a higher perspective.

For "me" the way to go is Self Realisation It would seem that is a way out of the cycle of reincarnation---I am not saying this is the only way.

Respectfully
Chris

[terragunn]

Integration/healing of both polarities, in my feeling, is the way to transcend the Game of Duality and leave the Game. But one must first acknowledge and understand this is all just a grandiose Game that we have become addicted to, and, through our Spirit (Source) electricity and manifestional abilities continue to power and create new layers of expansion/separation within (most definitely a double-edged sword, so to speak! ). Understanding of how we are coerced back into the Game via 'death' is also most salient to escaping the computation Matrix, which is a matrix of the mind.

[DouglasDanger]

Posted by Fanna (here)
Unity:
All is one. One is all. My soul and yours are one.

Duality:
Brilliant magnets are brilliant. Such light dark dualities permeate our universe.

Trinity:
During any physical event, we as humans have a 3-fold reaction. Our bodies react, our brains think, and our hearts feel. The trinity may disagree amongst itself!

Ain:
...

Notice how i may have all of these existing without contradiction. Unity and naught may even occur together! For such is duality, is it not? Myself, as a trinity, may one day be a part of a duality or union between two, but this does not override how my mind/body/spirit reacts in trinity.

If I am in between negative and positive where am I standing?
If evil is below me and good above me where am I standing?
If I flip this coin of life and it does not land on heads or tails on what does it land?


Trinity nah. Triality! as life is a Trial of events determining where one stands when existing in Midgard.

There is not only black and white but a Plethora of shades of Grey's(Beard )

On a serious note, this has been a good thread to read.

[loveoflife]

A good article i would recommend reading. The Gatekeeper

The parasite called I

Humanities problem is the gatekeeper, the parasitical, spiritual hit-man of our species. The watcher at the threshold of our immortality. The fearful ego I that keeps us locked into the abyss, and the game of ‘us and them’. The watcher is the servant of the enemy of life, and the third dimension is its playground. The glare of the serpent’s eye is hypnotic, and it can and does engage our minds, and lives its life of self gratification through our awareness and emotions… until we die. It is the chattering voice of distraction, the guard at the gate that leads to the All, the reptilian implant that has usurped our divinity. Only the foolish think the Law of Duality: The Law of Polarity can change. There can be no utopia in duality, in the world of the predator there is only I, me and mine.

Human beings are all action and reaction[duality] and the way the game is rigged, we pile up energetic debt that draws us back life after life into the brutal game of the abyss. The pendulum swings back and forth, age after age, and man the farm animal comes out of the caves and goes back in…ad infinitum and ad nauseum.

We don’t realise we have a mind parasite, and the cause of the problems in the world are energetic. The conflict is spiritual, and the manifested world is a reflection of ourselves; our impostor consciousness of hereditary entitlement to scar and rape the living world.

[greybeard]

Thanks for this loveoflife
The parts that I have pasted is the root of the misery in this world.

The fearful ego I that keeps us locked into the abyss, and the game of ‘us and them’
And
Only the foolish think the Law of Duality: The Law of Polarity can change. There can be no utopia in duality, in the world of the predator there is only I, me and mine.

And

We don’t realise we have a mind parasite, and the cause of the problems in the world are energetic. The conflict is spiritual, and the manifested world is a reflection of ourselves; our impostor consciousness of hereditary entitlement to scar and rape the living world.


With appreciation
Chris

[greybeard]

People run here there and everywhere trying to fix the problem or just find someone to blame or perhaps save us.

Gandhi pointed to the the solution--"Be the change you want to see"

When a mass of people start to move towards Self realisation/Enlightenment (Non-duality) then the shift will happen.
The imposter (parasite) is discovered and the real Self emerges---- the caterpillar becomes the butterfly.

The ego is transcended.

Its that important if we want a brave new peaceful world.

Chris

[loveoflife]

From the same article.

In the words of Krishnamurti:

Truth is truth, one, alone; it has no sides, no paths; all paths do not lead to truth. There is no path to truth, it must come to you. Truth can come to you only when your mind and heart are simple, clear, and there is love in your heart; not if your heart is filled with the things of the mind. When there is love in your heart, you do not talk about organizing for brotherhood; you do not talk about belief, you do not talk about division or the powers that create division, you need not seek reconciliation. Then you are a simple human being without a label, without a country. This means that you must strip yourself of all those things and allow truth to come into being; and it can only come when the mind is empty, when the mind ceases to create. Then it will come without your invitation. Then it will come as swiftly as the wind and unbeknown. It comes obscurely, not when you are watching, wanting. It is there as sudden as sunlight, as pure as the night; but to receive it, the heart must be full and the mind empty.

[kirolak]

My tuppence worth - both positive & negative are necessary, and to be in balance, in order to anchor this dimension in place; once we reach a certain point we transcend this need. Perhaps this is what is meant by "ascension"; the rising OUT of these pairs of opposites?

All roads lead to The End; the Left Hand Path merges with the Right Hand Path at some point. Nevertheless, at this stage of 3D I believe that we do still need to make a choice, positive or negative. If we take on Krishnamurti's Choiceless Awareness, we see that the Choicelessness is not a lack of options, but the non-ability to make a "wrong" choice; as we are in the Moment, and thus in agreement with the Universe, for lack of a better word. So action and intention coincide.

There is the sense of "Aha", the wonder, the numinous, coming upon one unbidden - yet, we must still fight the impossible-to-win battle against anger, cruelty, abuse & torpitude,; perhaps it is like the Macro versus the Micro view of the atom (or the sound of one hand not clapping at all?)

[Omni]

The following is a post from the David Icke forum where I posted this same article. I realize this post may seem like the blasphemy of the new age. And I can't imagine what Chris would say/feel after reading it(I guess maybe we will see, hopefully its not a bad reaction as nothing like that is my intention) It is just how I feel.

Posted by Omnisense Post on the David Icke Forum

Posted by white light (here)
Yeah, I'd agree that non duality is no harbour for strong opinion, pretty much the opposite. I don't think that necessarily negates individual personality, although by it's very nature it is telling you that individuality is somewhat of an illusion.

My view might be alien to yours and the common view, but I do not see myself so much as one with others. At best that is a limited idea, that we are all connected to the same source(nature's energy i may call it, others may call it God) is a nice concept, but I think it is fully entrenched in duality. How many people feel at one with everything all the time??? I bet they are lying if they say yes to that... Oneness/Separate are both pivotal. To imbalance them I do not see as in alignment to reality but trapped in a concept, not paying attention to one's own experiences...

My own individuality is a pride of mine. I like my character and take pride in having impeccable ethics/morals. I do not do mental gymnastics in debate. I respond to pretty much any relevant point in debate. I do not exaggerate. And unless you are a threat to me I am completely honest.

I simply do not see that many great qualities in the masses of people on Earth. So personally I do not find the idea of being one with them too appealing. I do realize the appeal of the idea of being one. I have liked the energies/concepts of that particular variety too. But how much time does a person actually spend feeling one with everything. I'd say under 10% of the time.

This is probably blasphemy(at least I wont be crucified for it by new agers lol) but I resonate more with individuality than oneness. Although I do love some of the feeling oneness provides, I always go back to being myself. And I am very happy with who I am.

I realize my view may make people hate me. People are so easily divided by beliefs. If anything I like someone with a unique view(unless it's somehow tactically destructive or a psy op). Debate offers more examination into our own beliefs if nothing else. And unless you've never been wrong before(a bad sign, not a good one typically) it offers insight into where one may be wrong about something.

Most plants need both light and dark for growth. Such it is with us. I would not love so deeply if there was no contrast.

Totally agree.

Explaining the purpose of duality:

Posted by Omnisense on the David Icke Forum

Posted by white light (here)
But what purpose is duality for?

Many reasons. For example growing the soul. Without the contrast of polarities nothing would have much definition. Definition and experiences I believe is what programs the soul over time.

One lesson I was given related to the growing of soul when overcoming hardships. The stronger we feel about something the more defined it is in the soul in one theory. So contrasting light to dark will further define the soul.

Everything being grey kind of negates that... I see some of the non duality teachings as somewhat anti individuality. No taking a stand on subjects, just ignore them as nothingness, pure grey, it's all the same... That being said I have seen people gain from non duality stuff too so it's not one sided.

[greybeard]

Omni I don't have a problem with what you post.
We are having an intelligent respectful conversation.

I can only say what I believe to be so --its an educated opinion-- the education coming from listening to, reading the words of those who to me seem to be in the state known as enlightenment---their perspective of life is radically different from mine.
They would see my version as lacking, while theirs is is brilliant, vibrant, alive, Tecnicolor.
Its beyond the mind to get--the mind being limited.

I always refer to Tim's thread, that's as close a description as I have read.

I agree that pre enlightenment very few, if any, can love everyone as their brother I don't-- I am however aware that this is my problem--everyone is loveable to some one. Its more that I dont condone what some people do---I can in fact see that give their circumstances I could do similar.
Some I would not want to spend time with. All this seems to take care of itself without my making a big thing of it.

So with me its "Work in Progress" but I will say that due to a profound change in attitude/perception my life has changed for the better.
Mind has become virtually silent Im at peace with me.

David Icke has said that "Only unconditional love is real, the rest is an illusion" yet he can point to the actions of TPTB effectively.

Best wishes
Chris

[Avuso]

This debate seems to me a difference in 1) perspective and 2) language.

1) Non-duality is looking at things from an ultimate perspective, and for us humans to even imagine this we have to let go of all of our current beliefs, at least set them down to be able to experience our true nature. You can still use duality and ego after that to help create a better world.

2) The beliefs and language we use isn't so important since we transcend them anyway and because our ability as humans to understand the whole is so limited. We're not here to get all the details right, we are here to learn love, compassion, and wisdom.

Omnisense writes:

"My view might be alien to yours and the common view, but I do not see myself so much as one with others.

I simply do not see that many great qualities in the masses of people on Earth. So personally I do not find the idea of being one with them too appealing.

but I resonate more with individuality than oneness.

You're not the same as others on this incredibly diverse world in terms of actions, values, beliefs, thoughts, vibration, etc, but from an ultimate point we are all made of the same fabric, underlying our inherent equality, value, divinity, worth, love, our essence.
So for you, become one with yourself. It's the same thing. It leads to the same place. But what's key is greybeard's or our commitment to take responsibility for our problems and heal their cause. On the ultimate level it's not ET's, reincarnation traps, or PTB that's responsible for our presence here and the quality of our experience- it's the results of our choices, both past and present.

Love and light