A Flat Earth not Round ...?

[DarMar]

Your head is so stuck in the flat earth model that it will not allow you to consider the perspectives of something 1.35 million miles across

I'm out.
Thank you for label.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

What we have here I think is what some call a 'phoney bone of contention'. 'They', whoever they are, create an issue, or debate, sometimes a scandal, which has no real substance to it at all, but design it in such a way (by the powerful opinions people will undoubtedly have of it) that it divides, polarizes, and creates dissent. ‘They’ do it all the time.

I seriously don't know if there are people that actually believe the Earth is flat - for real - or whether they're all in on a grand joke - a social experiment, which Nick suggested. Does it really matter? This topic is having a negative effect either way.

Many, many times I've tried to have spiritual conversations with Christians who are so adamant in their beliefs that there is no 'wiggle room' whatsoever, no possibility in there being a greater truth in the whole universe than what they already understand (from the Bible). It's a pointless debate. It's the same with the flat earth. If people believe it, they believe it without possibility of correction or revision of that belief. If I could transport a flat earther into orbit and show them that yes, the Earth is round - look, with your own eyes and see - it still wouldn't make any difference. They would disbelieve their own eyes, claiming it was a trick, a hoax, or mind control, or whatever they want to believe.

It's a good example of how people really do create their own realities. Despite the veritable mountain, a gargantuan mountain of evidence - of proof, that the earth is not flat, they have created a flat earth for themselves. They live on a flat earth. And that's it. Fair enough. Let them believe it and move on. In probably 90% of cases you cannot and will not change their reality. With whatever carefully constructed arguments you care to mount to dissuade them, it will fail. Brutal force will fail. You cannot open that door on truth for them, only the individual holds the key to personal truth, and only they can use it to open that door. One day.

[Billy]

I wonder what the following bravehearts would think of this flat earth debate.

Dave Kust is the first person verified to have completed circling the entire land mass of the earth (with exception of the oceans) on foot.
On June 20, 1970, Dave and John Kunst walked East out of Waseca, Minnesota with a pack mule named Willie Makeit. On October 5, 1974, Dave Kunst walked back into Waseca, Minnesota, from the west
http://davekunst1.com/


Former British Paratrooper Karl Bushby embarks on a year-long journey to walk - one step at a time - 3,600 miles from the Pacific shores of Los Angeles to the steps of the Russian Embassy in Washington D.C. His goal: convince Moscow to allow him back in to Siberia, so he can complete his record-setting 20-year, 36,000-mile walk around the world. In 1998, with only $300 to his name.
http://www.westward-productions.com/bushby/

http://lasvegassun.com/vegasdeluxe/2...bushbys-walk-/


Walking by faith: Man carries cross around the world.
http://www.hlntv.com/video/2014/09/2...carrying-cross

The Man who Cycled the World beginning in France, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Poland, Ukraine, Romania, Bulgaria, Turkey, Iran, Pakistan, India, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, USA, Portugal, Spain.
On February 15th 2008 Mark Beaumont pedalled into Paris flanked by a police escort to be met by a welcome party and press that packed the Arc de Triomphe. Mark had cycled 18,296 miles through 20 countries in 194 days and 17 hours, and in doing so broke the previous Guinness World Record by 81 days.
http://markbeaumontonline.com/expeditions/the-world/


Greg Healey set out on epic 20,000 mile adventure in February 2013.
One bike, 20,000 miles, 20 countries, and countless punctures: Man who cycled around the world arrives back in Swansea...
The former account, 32, battled monsoons, searing heat, paralysing headwinds, accidents and terrifying traffic on lawless highways during his staggering trip around the globe.
With little more than his bike, a tent and a camera, intrepid Mr Healey cycled through Europe, North and South America, the Far East and India before heading home through Turkey and the Balkans and back into Europe.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ish-chips.html


Irish man Breifne Earley nears the end of his epic around-the-world cycle. Flying the flag of “It’s alright not to feel ok. It’s absolute ok to ask for help”, he set off from London on March 1, 2014, for a five-month global journey. Thirteen months later, he is still on the saddle, drawing ever closer to the finish line in London. Breifne is currently the only remaining participant of an unfinished race.
http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Iri...OS.html?page=1

You can also follow Breifne on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/pedaltheplanettv?fref=ts

We can also remember the sailors.




Japan’s New Satellite Captures an Image of Earth Every 10 Minutes for 24hrs



http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...utes.html?_r=2

Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=YsnlNqcjNeE

Anyways, My own thoughts are, It is much more important to think about our Mother earths well being, rather than the distraction of her curvy or flat figure.
As they say, each to their own.

Peace.


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A final added note from Bill:

Yes, Peace indeed. Billy's closing words may have been the wisest on the entire thread. The message he reminded us of is that of keeping the right perspective in times, which we all share, which are extremely challenging for far different reasons than anything mentioned on this thread.

The discussion has been very interesting (though I suspect in different ways for different people), and has touched some areas that could not have easily have been predicted at the start. I certainly learned one or two things, and I hope all the other participants have, too.

I've closed the thread, as it seemed a perfect moment to do so. I'm prepared to re-open it if there's a howl of protest from the scientists and philosophers among us (especially anyone channeling Eratosthenes!), but not if there's any screaming of censorship from the others. The thread will remain for all to see and read if they wish, is fully searchable, and will not be deleted.

What's really needed, maybe, outside of this polarized context, is an intelligent discussion about the nature of belief, the nature of reality, the nature of evidence, and the nature of logic and inference. Maybe that larger debate can be started elsewhere, because that is almost certainly the most valuable part of this discussion, carrying over to many other areas.

My thanks to all — and especially to Billy for his wisdom, gifted to us at a perfect time.