THE RULERS OF THE WORLD: a new Project Avalon video interview

[Seikou-Kishi]

I think the people who are suspicious of Charles may just be taken aback by his mannerisms, but from what I've seen he is pretty standard cockney, which probably translates as 'strange' to people who aren't in the UK lol (I tried to phrase that to be as inoffensive as I could, but I'm sure I've failed)

[Ahkenaten]

Bashi we are certainly all different united I think in our pursuit of truth and in most cases hopes for creating a better world. I am not questioning Bill's judgment in his relationship with 'Charles' - I'm not Bill. It's that simple. I never recommended skinning the messenger........that is not among the traditions I adhere to. Interesting comment about patterns you recognize and I would certainly like to hear more about that if you feel like PM'ing me. As you know I have the utmost respect for you. So shall we proceed with suspended judgment? Ahk

[earthanomaly]

If Charles is an example of who the elite gangsters surround themselves with, then I would say, we ARE in trouble.

By the end of the conversation, I felt that the "people in charge" - whoever they are - really don't know what they are doing. They are the ones who have been in control the whole time- and look at what they have done--pollution, war, famine, destruction. Just because you have technology and access to computer models and data doesn't mean that you will make the correct decisions. It just means that you have more data, are more informed, and you have advantages that others don't.

They are operating from their skewed perspective. They behave as though they are gods. Must be because they have control and money.

They might think they are doing the right thing, but everything they have done up to this point has only benefitted themselves and hurt others. This selfish attitude isn't going to change--even if they are successful in reducing the population to 500 million.

I want to thank you, Bill, for the work you are doing and for the interview regardless of "Charles" legitimacy or factuality of statements. It definitely leaves a lot to our imaginations and hopes.

[qbeac]

Posted by Cara (here)
It is acceptable to have doubts and questions. But when I read "psychopath" or "sociopath" as a description of Charles on many posts, I'm just baffled. Based on such limited information on a person, from one interview released only two days ago... To much energy is spent in analyzing- criticizing Charles in my opinion. It's counterproductive.

Bill announced he was planning a comprehensive additional release. He believe this interview is significant. Let's wait and try to understand why. Patience should be expected.

I totally agree with Cara. Let's be patient, respectful and don’t rush to conclusions.

[earthanomaly]

"The one who cannot see that on Earth a big endeavor is taking place, an important plan, on which realization we are allowed to collaborate as faithful servants, certainly has to be blind"

...- Winston Churchill

[New Dawn]

After all the bull**** we have had to endure and work through to get to the truth, it is only smart to be weary of new people that come into the picture such as Charles. I trust Bills judgement, but not enough to just disregard my own feelings. We all have to make up out own minds, and respect other peoples opinions. To who-ever suggested that Kerry will make him close up, I disagree; if Kerry was there, he'll either come out with something new that she'll get out of him through her, shall we say, unique method of interviewing, or he'll be made to look like a total fake, which is what I think he is. Bill, thanks very much for your work though, its always appreciated here in sunny old Essex

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Eric! He confirmed:

• The reality of the plan to set up a false flag event to frame the ETs as hostile.
• Full details (with a rationale from the controllers' point of view) of the plan to reduce the world's population.
• Confirmation that the human race is an ET genetic project.
• Confirmation of ET reality, and the reality of their craft.
• A statement that the ET craft had been brought down deliberately (after one or two initial 'lucky hits' in the 1940s).
• Confirmation of the existence of the Mars base, and that we're poised to leave the solar system.
• Confirmation of the existence of the back-engineered man-made flying triangles.
• The existence of the controlling group, with details of their composition and modus operandi.
• Confirmation of artifacts on the moon, and confirmation that Arthur C. Clarke knew a great deal.
• Quite a bit more - about the way that the insiders operate, and how they think.

That's quite a good value for a whistleblower interview - wouldn't you agree?

Consider also that the release of this video was sanctioned (approved).

That's why I was saying in an earlier reply, a couple of days ago, that this was a form of Disclosure (read the above list again!)... just not in the form that we were expecting it in.

I have to say Bill he has confirmed things with you maybe, but for us all he has done is make statements, and statements already made at that.
You will obviously have a much better idea about Charles than us and im hoping you will expand more on why you trust him but to say these claims are confirmed?
Not in my book.

[qbeac]

Hi everyone, I’ve just found a very interesting comment about Bill and Charles in the forum section of Benjamin Fulford’s blog. The comment is made by a user called lew3. Since I cannot ask lew3 for his permission to post his comment here because I don’t have access to that forum, I’ll only include here a brief excerpt of his comment, and you may see the rest at the link bellow.

I must say that I have no idea how accurate lew3’s statement is, but in case it was accurate (and we’ll see…???), it would be quite interesting.

For those of you who may not know what lew3 is talking about, the letters “LOC” refer to some kind of “system” to test the good will and positive attitude of a person (generosity, service to self vs service to others, etc.). I don’t understand too well how this system works, or if it really works at all. I believe they use a pendulum or something like that (???), but you’ll have to ask lew3 for the details.

Comment by lew3 on January 2, 2011 @ 5:31 am
Comment by lew3 on January 3, 2011 @ 1:30 pm
http://benjaminfulford.net/2010/12/2...-as-a-warning/

Brief except of lew3’s comments:

The new Bill Ryan interview is a must view, or listen! Bill’s LOC = 665, which about the same as that of most of us here on Ben’s blog (and Ben, himself).

(…)

As noted earlier, Bill’s LOC = 665. Much to my surprise, Charles’ LOC = 644! I tested several times last night and today with the same result. So I tested for Charles’ LOC last August, just before he met Bill. The result was 445. One year earlier it was 345. One more year earlier it was 235 and it was the same going back to the beginning of the 10 year period of working with the 33. How could this be? I don’t have a way to test but my guess is that as Charles worked with the 33, he gradually became more and more uncomfortable with their agenda. He was part way along that path when he was assigned to deal with Bill. The 4 months of discussions he had with Bill before the recorded interview took him the rest of the way.

My truth testing shows that he was 100% truthful in his comments. Gus, truth testing is separate from LOC determination, although I use Applied Kinesiology for both. LOC is an indication of service to self vs. service to others. Truth and LOC are indirectly related. That is, someone with high LOC seldom tells lies but might depending on circumstances……….etc.

[Anchor]

Posted by qbeac (here)
“LOC” refer to some kind of “system” to test the good will and positive attitude of a person (generosity, service to self vs service to others, etc.).

LOC in this context is Level Of Conciousness represented on a scale of 0-1000. It is a system associated with the work of Dr. David Hawkins.

I have only seen it used to represent an indicator of the degree of spiritual conciousness.

A chap on PA1 called Sanat did a lot of work on this.

John..

[Agape]

Mind you, you are not going to be monitored for your opinions but for reality problem solving. It can get tough with time .

[Thunderbird]

Posted by 3optic (here)
I have to express a certain amount of frustration with the way some chose to approach this subject matter. There seemed to be far too much moral grandstanding, finger pointing and exploration into presumed character flaws of 'Charles'. If I knew people who behaved this way in my social circle, I'd be hesitant to disclose anything with them let alone if they were strangers.

^
THIS

how bout yall prove the "33" wrong about your status as a "hamburger with legs"
and start working on solutions. let's give em a worthwhile proposal of how to run the planet instead of being reactionary, judgemental, distrustful, and distasteful.

[cloud9]

Posted by bashi (here)
If i would be Charles, by now i would be MAD AS HELL.
It seems you guys are showing NO understanding for people much different than internet-bloggers.
Have you heard of self-respect? These people have a lot of this (maybe too much), because that is needed to be brave and fearless.
For people which are used to kick ass (so to speak), this type of response is just UNBEARABLE.
Forget the idea of Charles replying directly on this forum. Just forget it ...

Dear Bashi,
I just want to remind you that I have never ever said anything unpolite or rude about Charles and sometimes I find it difficult to express myself in a better flowing way as English is not my original language, I understand that I can come across dry or cold but I am always respectful and considerate with everybody and I don't agree with putting people down without a reason for it.
I've read worst comments in this now long thread but if I am offending someone including Charles and he's reading this I sincerely apologize, that's not my intention at all.
I'm just looking for answers.

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Posted by Agape (here)
Mind you, you are not going to be monitored for your opinions but for reality problem solving. It can get tough with time .

An this thread sure is being monitored, IMHO,
Especially with the massive influx of new members since the Charles video.
Somebody is Getting a nice cross section here, and not just of Avalon but of the whole demographic.

As Zookumar would say "humble opinions all round" *hands catchphrase back*

[bluestflame]

with that in mind would be a good platform to launch some solution oriented creativity, the beauty of comparing notes , I remember something about a round table , and the reason behind its geometric configuration

[Fractalius]

Posted by Agape (here)
Mind you, you are not going to be monitored for your opinions but for reality problem solving. It can get tough with time .

Hi.
Care to expand? The problem solving for a problem that has got tougher over time? With all the contradictions of the problems being part of the solutions. How can natural selection be natural when people feel they should steer things. Tweaking and fixing a mistake. Creating more mistakes. Like the butterfly effect?

[bilko]

Posted by bluestflame (here)
with that in mind would be a good platform to launch some solution oriented creativity, the beauty of comparing notes , I remember something about a round table , and the reason behind its geometric configuration

Yeah because everyone is equal at a round table. Lets have a pipe too so only the one holding it can speak

[HURRITT ENYETO]

Posted by bluestflame (here)
with that in mind would be a good platform to launch some solution oriented creativity, the beauty of comparing notes , I remember something about a round table , and the reason behind its geometric configuration

Exactly. We need some real world problem solving on this thread. Round table,good start
Its nearly 3am here in UK and if i have much more Charles tonight im gonna start dribbling LOL But i will try and come back with some good round table creativity tomorrow.

Ps Thanks Bluestflame

[jeannacav]

Posted by Wood (here)

Quote Originally Posted by jeannacav View Post
The likes of the 33 are working in the realm of pure manipulation.
They do not do anything outright.
They do things that make us do or think in such a way that will produce the result they desire.

Why? Sometimes it is easier to just kill someone, right? Or maybe they are not allowed to do that?

I don't believe they are 'not allowed' to outright kill anyone.
I think they are proudly showing their excellence in their way to play this game.

How else can they turn around and blame us for this world being overpopulated and too polluted, if they are obviously to blame for this.
Charles made the point very clearly that they want no outright murder.
Well, right, but they are very willing to influence us by every means possible to get US to create all this ourselves, while they are the innocent good controllers... who need to cull the pollution-makers.

Most of us humans are NOT aware that we are the co-creators of this reality, but these guys are aware that we are.
Many here are aware of our abilities in creation, and perhaps this interview is also an effort to assess how the 'aware ones' will react, and perhaps, how we can be further manipulated.

This idea is very complex, but manipulations always are complex.

Thanks for asking, wood.

jeanna

[Ahkenaten]

OK Real World Problem Solving

Item # 1 - We should move from a "Closed System" paradigm to an "Open System." In an open system the massive inequalities would somewhat self-correct due to release of hidden technologies and scientific information. War would become something that is only action of last resort, NOT, as currently is the case, a way to barely maintain profits at the enormous expense of human life and destruction of the environment. Some theorize that the population would stabilize and perhaps even drop. Energy would be released and available for people to work together to clean up the world and make it a better place. A shift in the social/philosophical/scientific frame from Closed to Open could open the doors to many possibilities. Human beings are not merely commodities, jots on a ledger, consumers or beasts of burden. Human beings are energetic beings of light with limitless potential that can only come into fruition in a completely different frame than we see at present.

OK that's it.

[NancyV]

Posted by Thunderbird (here)
how bout yall prove the "33" wrong about your status as a "hamburger with legs"
and start working on solutions. let's give em a worthwhile proposal of how to run the planet instead of being reactionary, judgemental, distrustful, and distasteful.

Thunderbird, thanks for your most EXCELLENT video response in your earlier post! I was very impressed that you are open minded enough to be willing to look at things from a different perspective than your previous world view. Sometimes the ones we think are the "bad guys" are not quite as bad as we might imagine. Sometimes they are worse. But we will never know them and their motives unless we are willing to engage in dialogue without attacks on character, accents, lack of knowledge of something we think they should know, and demands for proof.

We also would be wise to not harshly judge their possible amorality using our own moral views. If we do that we will not understand why they do what they do. I prefer to consider learning to play their game with the toys they bring to us instead of insisting on doing it our way with our toys from the outset. They probably don't overly care if they play with us or not, but it is to our advantage to learn to play with them. I think Bill is doing an excellent job of that in this interview and what he has told us of his interactions with Charles.

One of my favorite books is The Art of War by Sun Tzu and this quote seems relevant in this situation:

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle

I would add that until we know them better we do not even know if they ARE the enemy. I am grateful to Bill for being our ambassador in the best way he knows and for being open and willing to play the game somewhat on their terms.

Nancy