Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

[Ernie Nemeth]

Shane is alright in my books. Good, sincere guy. Surprised to find him the middle of a controversy. Wondering why he went down this road.

Wish we had hooked up last year...

All the best Shane!

[Elainie]

Posted by ghostrider (here)
In my humble opinion there are very few real illuminati still around ... I think the ones making the rounds are just allowed to muddy the waters , and keep people in a state of fear and chasing their tails looking for the next cup of Kool-Aid...

There are still some around. I am not talking of the one's Shane knows, but the European one's who are bloodline families who are still very active in directing planetary *policy*. Many of them are elderly and their offspring have not followed in the same direction as their parents.

[ghostrider]

The real money has gone off grid/underground ... What the world sees is mostly clones ...all these famous people mysteriously die, so called banker suicides , scientists killed in strange plane crashes , planes full of software wizards just disappear...if one just steps back, take a breath, and revisits' the last four years a very scary portrait will appear... They have been planning the end game for a very long time, and they are good at secrets and misdirection...

[Omni]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
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The moderators are discussing this privately right now. One of the team said:

Just reading the thread, and members are giving Shane a hard time. I am not sure as to why yet.

My reply:

There's a lot of angst in the air. Many members would prefer to read about a definite predicted asteroid strike next week, than someone who really does know something, speaking in guarded and careful terms.

Yes Bill, it seems when someone presents the truth they are attacked a lot. When it is a psy op they are praised a lot. I have my own suspicions what might be behind that... Just something I've noticed,...Hadn't watched much of this particular interview , but what i did hear i think he was just telling an experience like he experienced it... An experience that is harder to believe... I don't see why Shane should be ridiculed when there are far more on the side of disinformation as opposed to Shane passing as good stuff with little resistance(like channeled material for example)...

I'm all for applying some critical thinking to what I believe. Do I believe everything as Shane says? No. But I know he's a genuine person and I'm a bit puzzled what is behind this negative response to Shane all of the sudden?

Are there any reasons other than he is too calm? (I'm not sure if flippant is how i would describe him.....)

Any logical reasons I mean? Logic is a lost art...

[Sean]

Well, speaking for myself, Shane just didn't sound genuine. Look, its not that I don't believe things like this are happening..if you review some of my posts, you'll see My story about being onboard a spacecraft and encountering a "blue avian" before I even knew what a blue avian WAS.

I read Shane's blog, and even anonymously posted a question that he graciously answered. My issue, here, is that if I'd seen even a tiny bit of Shane claims to have seen, my descriptions would be colorful and at least contain some sense of enthusiasm and wonder. We're talking illuminati, giant aliens, underground bases, spaceships abmnd offworld portals here..not the last episode of "the kardashians".

Something is off. #shrug

[Mike]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by Mike (here)

It's the formula these days - act coy and reticent. The "reluctant hero". Then slowly come to the forefront.

That's also the archetype of Joseph Campbell's Hero's Journey. It's actually quite common (which is why it's an archetype)... many members here will have experienced that in various forms.

Well, I'd call it a formula, like I said. It may be an archetype in literature or the movies, but in real life it feels disingenuous...to me anyway. When you know how you're going to proceed beforehand, but pretend otherwise...that sort of thing. I do understand the approach; had he come on bombastic and bragging I s'pose he would have lost his audience. But it just feels all too calculated to me...

You make a solid argument for keeping things general and unspecific - i get it, i really do! - but this also unfortunately serves as a wonderful insurance policy for would be whistleblowers who have no idea what they're talking about. I felt Shane was a little too vague. It was such a skeletal account that it bordered on meaninglessness. Poor Kerry...it's true that she should have been better prepared, but you could sense her mild exasperation at what were very bland and hollow answers.

I guess this is what we're up against ultimately...either no info at all, or some scrubbed, sterilized put-you-to-sleep outline of alternative history that we've all heard some version of 1000 times. One can't help but question the value, if any, of such a testimony. I dunno... Every time Kerry awkwardly asked one of her halting, unscripted questions, Shane responded sounding very much like a nervous kid at a spelling bee. Now, was he nervous because he was conscious of being too specific, or was it because he's lying and is worried about being found out? This is the question we all have to sort out for ourselves, I s'pose..

I don't mean to give Shane a hard time. If I met him in person I'm sure we'd make fast friends. But in a forum environment like this, after all is said n done, I feel i have more of a reason to not believe his story than to believe it.

[Nasu]

Being authentic is a tricky thing these days, nobody trusts anybody anymore, we see motives wrapped in subterfuge and true intentions hidden in plain sight behind walls of lies..

The more we come to know about life, the more we realize WE are a part, large or small, of the lie. We lie to ourselves, we lie to our friends and our closest family, that we are happy, that we are content. We lie to our children, from innocent white lies like Santa to big whoppers like the religion we have been bred to believe is the one true choice... We read lies everywhere, all the time..

Nobody trusts the media and the press today, even less the so called alternative media. Even the most died-in-the-wool believers in this matrix we call life, even those people, they are cynics first, believers second..

Dissernment. It is much overused these days and yet still remains so woefully undeveloped. I think it would be very hard for anyone to be believed as things stand, imagine a genuine voice amongst that throng, they would be drowned out by the din of all the wanna bees, as they are.

I don't require any proof from Shane, I don't expect him to believe in me, I don't expect him to help me to understand, I don't expect him to care if I don't understand, I don't need his info anymore than he needs mine, I don't expect him to change his approach to life so as to make clear to me, that which I am not yet able to see for myself, I don't expect him to consider me as a parent considers their creation, mindfully teaching at the child's level, rather than hoping in vane that the child can comprehend the parent. I take him at his word, that my involvement is a mere byproduct of his online activity, we found him after all, he did not find us.

Like you, I have my own mission in this life, like yours no doubt, mine needs good intel too. Good and bad intel, as I see it, both in their ways help to clear the fog of misdirection from our path, so that we may glimpse, sometimes very briefly, understanding.. Not truth mind you, truth so called is very subjective, understanding I feel, is a far more important challenge to rise to and or overcome.

All that being said, I thank Shane deeply, from the bottom of my heart, for helping ME to see another facet of this huge sparkly multi faceted diamond we call existence. Only when I can see about me fully, can I hope to judge for myself the condition of the weather for the next few days ahead, I don't expect anyone to scrutinize these things for me, quite often i'm wrong, its only by being wrong so many times, that I can ever hope to be right... Chuck said it better... N:

“I've always found that anything worth achieving will always have obstacles in the way and you've got to have that drive and determination to overcome those obstacles on route to whatever it is that you want to accomplish.”


― Chuck Norris

[awakeningmom]

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by Saint Theresa (here)
I gotta give props to Kerry Cassidy though, she really tries to get answers and pose questions that are significant. Not an easy thing with subjects such as these.

Yet missed some critical questions. At about the 1hr mark, the secret space program came up, (plus extra-dimensional/planetary travel, portals, black projects etc,) and whereas we learned Shane had been 'educated' in these matters, had a 'comprehensive view of them', I was really wanting Kerry to pointedly ask him, had he witnessed/experienced the actual reality of them first hand? That could have led to more questions, and some interesting (perhaps less generalized) information.

A good interview over all, though a little sketchy in places. Because I would imagine a lot of people tuning in to listen were already familiar with Shane's story, but Kerry seemed to be unclear on several aspects, as if she hadn't even read his blog, which I found surprising, and a little frustrating.

I have to completely disagree with you Saint Theresa on Kerry's interview prowess in this case, and I was completely frustrated by this interview at the same place Star Mariner. Kerry failed to ask the real questions -- and moved on when he was actually offering to talk about the big questions. What's up with that? For example, around the 1:05 mark, Kerry asks Shane/Ruiner:

1. Do you have any Big Picture understandings of what's going on on the planet....? (something like that). Shane: Yes. My mentorship gave me a very comprehensive view....
Kerry: Ok, let's move on to something else....

2 Kerry: Have you been educated about what will happen....in the future? Shane: Yes, I've gained lots of views...I could tell you specifically what the Draconians think is going to happen, what the Blond ET race would say, what the Pleidians or Andromedans currently think, etc (Me: YES PLEASE TELL US and KERRY PLEASE DO NOT MOVE ON!). Kerry: Ok, let's move on to listener questions.....Um, Shane is there anything else you'd like to talk about that I haven't asked you already? (Me: How about asking him to answer what he offered to answer?!)

I've got 34 minutes to go in this interview, but if Kerry doesn't get her act together and ask REAL questions instead of asking Shane about his music career, I'm going to hurl my laptop.... How long has she been conducting interviews? Yet, she's supposedly got a guy sitting next to her with a "comprehensive view" on what's happening and what might happen soon enough and she doesn't bother to let him talk about it as offered? So frustrating!

[Citizen No2]

I am of the opinion that we have earned the right to be sceptical.


All members who have posted above have valid view's and opinion's. That we must refrain from being rude is a given.

I for one will afford Shane the right to put himself out-there and give him the courtesy of my ear until I discern otherwise.


These are interesting times. The intensity, of all things, is rising.


Regards.

[Nasu]

Posted by awakeningmom (here)

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by Saint Theresa (here)
I gotta give props to Kerry Cassidy though, she really tries to get answers and pose questions that are significant. Not an easy thing with subjects such as these.

Yet missed some critical questions. At about the 1hr mark, the secret space program came up, (plus extra-dimensional/planetary travel, portals, black projects etc,) and whereas we learned Shane had been 'educated' in these matters, had a 'comprehensive view of them', I was really wanting Kerry to pointedly ask him, had he witnessed/experienced the actual reality of them first hand? That could have led to more questions, and some interesting (perhaps less generalized) information.

A good interview over all, though a little sketchy in places. Because I would imagine a lot of people tuning in to listen were already familiar with Shane's story, but Kerry seemed to be unclear on several aspects, as if she hadn't even read his blog, which I found surprising, and a little frustrating.

I have to completely disagree with you Saint Theresa on Kerry's interview prowess in this case, and I was completely frustrated by this interview at the same place Star Mariner. Kerry failed to ask the real questions -- and moved on when he was actually offering to talk about the big questions. What's up with that? For example, around the 1:05 mark, Kerry asks Shane/Ruiner:

1. Do you have any Big Picture understandings of what's going on on the planet....? (something like that). Shane: Yes. My mentorship gave me a very comprehensive view....
Kerry: Ok, let's move on to something else....

2 Kerry: Have you been educated about what will happen....in the future? Shane: Yes, I've gained lots of views...I could tell you specifically what the Draconians think is going to happen, what the Blond ET race would say, what the Pleidians or Andromedans currently think, etc (Me: YES PLEASE TELL US and KERRY PLEASE DO NOT MOVE ON!). Kerry: Ok, let's move on to listener questions.....Um, Shane is there anything else you'd like to talk about that I haven't asked you already? (Me: How about asking him to answer what he offered to answer?!)

I've got 34 minutes to go in this interview, but if Kerry doesn't get her act together and ask REAL questions instead of asking Shane about his music career, I'm going to hurl my laptop.... How long has she been conducting interviews? Yet, she's supposedly got a guy sitting next to her with a "comprehensive view" on what's happening and what might happen soon enough and she doesn't bother to let him talk about it as offered? So frustrating!

I like Kerry, but this interview really stinks, she seems unprepared, no follow up on where Shane almost goes on several occasions, I agree that all the talk about Shane's music career and viewers Q&A seemed like she was grasping for things to ask about. Whatever you can say about Kerry or Shane, I wholeheartedly agree that on this occasion her interview style and professionalism seemed to me to be somewhere between half arsed and unprepared... N

[RunningDeer]

Posted by Star Tsar (here)
There is another five hours of video posted along side Shane's interview what do my fellow Avalonians think of it?

No sorry Bill I mean posted by RunningDear ie Mr Faly's interviews no one has mentioned them...

Hi Star Tsar,

I haven't watched them. I'm adjusting to the comments to and about Shane. Thank god, I'm not an experiencer.

Shane, thank you. As always, I continue to take what resonates and leave the rest.

RunningDeer ♡

[Sean]

@bill ryan:

Bill. Would you be willing to interview Shane, and Shane, would you be willing to do it? That would shut down a lot of this back and forth, if we get a good interview, because what happened last night wasn't it.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by awakeningmom (here)
[ ... a lot of stuff expressing her frustration ... ]

I have an interview agreed with Shane as well... so there's a good opportunity to see if Shane and I can maybe pick up where Kerry left off, let's say.

My first call would be to ask Shane what HE wants to say, how HE wants to use the opportunity (if he does!), and what HE feels is of most importance. It's always best to go into an interview assuming that the interviewee knows more than one does oneself.

[Citizen No2]

I have an interview agreed with Shane as well... so there's a good opportunity to see if Shane and I can maybe pick up where Kerry left off, let's say.

My first call would be to ask Shane what HE wants to say, how HE wants to use the opportunity (if he does!), and what HE feels is of most importance. It's always best to go into an interview assuming that the interviewee knows more than one does oneself.

Excellent Bill.

Many thanks.

[Mike]

In Shane's defense, the questions asked of him were very vague or way too general.

When interviewing someone, especially someone who isn't used to being interviewed, you have to be very specific...otherwise they'll either give you clipped, laconic answers...or they'll go on forever.

I'd really like to see Bill do the interview. I think it would turn out much better.

In Kerry's defense, she didn't get much to work with. She attempted to loosen up the environment in the beginning by talking about her cat, and when Shane didn't react at all I knew it was going to be a long day...


Note: just read back and I notice Bill is doing a Shane interview as well. Pleased to hear this. Looking forward to it Bill! (And Shane!)

[3(C)+me]

I still have high standards for this forum as far as views expressed and I hope we could as a group get past all of the polarizations going on, he is a liar, he is for real, he says he doesn't want to do interviews and then does, on and on even the "I had to listen and then state he is full of Sh@t".
People need to take responsibility for their behaviors.
No one put a gun to your head and said you must listen to this interview and then post about what a liar he is. In a way it is not even about Mr. Ruiner, it's our collective frustrations and burn out with past whistleblowers and the stress of daily life and the things in our own life we have not dealt with. yes, its' the lies we tell ourselves that we don't deal with like telling your wife, you think it's over, or your secret addictions that you pray doesn't get discovered or what the next big thing is or what are they going to do next.
And all this gets laid out at the feet of Mr. Ruiner.
Shane is just this weeks depository of our collective frustrations. What ever happened to listening to an interview with an open mind and not having to rush to any form of judgement?
He is just a guy talking about his experiences, that is all.
Have we not learned from our past mistakes.
I also had some frustrations about how the interview was conducted but I think If Kerry had a second go she would ask the questions I would have asked a few times. Like he went thru some abuse but it didn't seem to take does this mean he is not a multiple personality. Abuse is often done when young to split the personality and then program them for different tasks. Also he has disagreements with the parents, what are they.

[Karpos]

This post took me forever and may get me in hot water right off the bat, but whatever ... (multi quote mayhem ahead!)

First, I read this forum all year before joining, particularly interested in The Corey Affair, of which Shane is an interesting byproduct, in a way, or the similar side to the same coin, we'll see.

What I observed was ... weird.

First let me get to the quotes and make some comments ...

Posted by Becky (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
There is no color, detail or texture in the recount of the Ruiner.
The narrative is so generalized, nothing specific.
With all due respect, I'm calling bullsh!t on the ruiner.

That's not entirely true...he talks briefly about his experiences witnessing human sacrifice during rituals and explains why he has an aversion (put off finding them sexually attractive) to 'blondes'.

This to me does add colour, detail and texture, as do other elements of his interview.

I've read about Ritual Sacrifice for a long time, and never any real case of it outside of Vampires and Wanna-be Satanists killing people in cold, insane, blood. This is all started in the Satanic Ritual Sacrifice HYSTERIA started in Omaha I think, and made contagious by hypnotism, false memory syndrome, and again HYSTERIA which is shared delusion.

Going around propagating these ideas, with no proof or even evidence (yes, thousands of people go missing a year=doesn't equal abducted sacrifice victims, IMO) only adds the hysteria, and causes sick minds (vampire and fake Satanists teens n such) to really think there is some black path that leads to Satan's feet for service in some way. It's this type of stuff that makes others sick in the head. So yea, I don't believe. I didn't believe it when I heard the first ILLUMINTI Insider lady (forget her name) say it, and I don't believe since.

Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
Strange one I can see how DNA thinks its BS , and I feel some sort of vibe coming
from him like Becky. Most of what 'little he said' could have come from reading
other research and witness disclosure. ...

You mean, Data Mining, like Corey Goode is accused of? I read Shane's blog a little bit. He once insinuated that he thinks that Corey used to be a True Believe in THIS STUFF we are discussing here and there in Alien-Conspiracy Land, but now believes it's bunk. Imagine if that's true? Can you imagine you spent years reading Wingmakers Material, Law of One, Wes Penre, only to come to the conclusion that all these people were misLED from the start, and/or misLEAD for selfish reasons, or are simply on some spectrum of madness? It's like a lifelong Theologian/Preacher waking up and realizing he's wasted his time on Scripture. These Dozens of Narratives are like the Books of the Bible, all written by different people, contradicting here and there, while often building on and off each other ...

What do you do if you are of a certain type? You might not want to waste off that 'knowledge', but become a crooked preacher.

This is not what I think is going on with Corey or especially Shane, although I think they were both misled and now mislead others. I'll get to that.

But quickly, what if it is all BUNK? If you haven't thought deeply about that question, you should be doing it now, with every narrative you ever read, including the Stichen Lite--Ruiner Blog

Posted by Mike (here)
Hey has the Ruiner made any predictions?

If so, I predict with 100% certainty that none of them will come true.

I read on his blog that he's on the Wave, Energy Influx hitting Earth bandwagon, writing that it's somehow Universe Wide, not just this part of this one galaxy. Where is your metaphysics for this???

Posted by Star Mariner (here)

Posted by Saint Theresa (here)
I gotta give props to Kerry Cassidy though, she really tries to get answers and pose questions that are significant. Not an easy thing with subjects such as these.

Yet missed some critical questions. At about the 1hr mark, the secret space program came up, (plus extra-dimensional/planetary travel, portals, black projects etc,) and whereas we learned Shane had been 'educated' in these matters, had a 'comprehensive view of them', I was really wanting Kerry to pointedly ask him, had he witnessed/experienced the actual reality of them first hand? That could have led to more questions, and some interesting (perhaps less generalized) information.

A good interview over all, though a little sketchy in places. Because I would imagine a lot of people tuning in to listen were already familiar with Shane's story, but Kerry seemed to be unclear on several aspects, as if she hadn't even read his blog, which I found surprising, and a little frustrating.

I couldn't get past 10 minutes of this interview, which is pretty far into a Kerry interview for me lately. I do appreciate some of her older work, but as I above and others are questioning... is this Whistleblower Thing even REAL? Has it ever been? Because I'm losing count of the credible, like they are dropping from my list as the years go on and we get nothing ... no evidence of anything but possible psyops, loonies, and money makers ALA David Wilcock.

Posted by Omniverse (here)

Posted by Paul (here)

Posted by workingactor (here)
I don't care how deep you are in a bloodline family..NO ONE can have the kind of experiences this man claims to have had, and describe them with that kind of colorless flippancy.

Perhaps that emotional separation from what he has experienced is part of the way he is, and that helped him survive what has overwhelmed many.

After having hundreds if not thousands of amazing experiences myself, sometimes I describe them calmly and without much emotion too. It is a side effect of having so many experiences, that what is extraordinary to one person has just become normal to another.

I don't always agree with Shane, in fact I disagree somewhat strongly with a couple things he has said(I haven't watched this interview yet). But I think he's a stand up honest person after interacting with him. I'm not sure anyone has everything right about this complex reality we live in... But I pretty much know he is not lying. Now could he be being misdirected in some areas? Different story.

I appreciate Omniverse's vouch for Shane, but under a black light. Omniverse, for all his wisdom, strikes me as the type that I think Shane is ... bored young men with a somewhat unhealthy hobby, and or, sick minds. That, and I'm not a skeptic of the psychic dimension, no matter how I'm coming off here. I just don't believe you very much Omni, after, like I did with Shane ... hearing your voice and using my intuition, I feel I've pegged you guys...

Of course I have a right to say what I just said. I'm really not trying to be disrespectful in my first post here, but this is pretty important to some people, and I just happen to get my legs here today (so please, please don't judge me by this long convoluted post).

Posted by cccme (here)
... I did casually look at his blog and some of it was interesting but was not all that into it, I am getting tired of hearing about this good old boys club, I am almost bored by them since they just pull from the same bag of tricks.

It's becoming more obvious with every new hero that arises on certain alternative outlets. Drake, The Resistance2012 Dude, Tolec ... THESE ARE AUDIENCE CULTS for people who are looking for meaning, and looking to be a part of something special. I know, I've been a believer in this stuff for years, metaphysical discipleships and such ... but where's the beef outside of the anecdotal scripts and narratives? It's getting hard to believe words on a screen, or cookie cutter gurus on youtube videos. Maybe disinformation works after all.

Posted by Delight (here)

Posted by Shane (here)
bsbray.. I was quite clear as to why I was doing the interview despite having not wanted the attention. Many people have asked me to continue writing and start speaking since the blog concluded and I have agreed.

Thanks for listening, or not listening, for commenting, or not commenting, for enjoying what I have to say and for saying I am full of BS.

With love and respect,

And with respect for myself and for you, I am certain that the hard questions are the ones that need to be stressed. There have been patterns of alt community liars who waste the energy we could be using elsewhere. Yes, MY attention is energy. Others' attention is energy. Just because someone claims they are an experience r, we want to hear becaue WE have experience. I am seriously questioning the use of my energy (and ALL others) I have given to all the "informers". Is this being scooped up in a nice looshly stuffed package?

Posted by Anakie (here)
Every so often someone pops up claiming this and that, and as far as I can see all they do is divide opinion until they fade away and are replaced by the next one.

I'm avoiding them from now on as I can't see what good they possibly do irrespective of authenticity.

It's hard to avoid when that's all that's left of Alt Media, especially now that Corey Goode actually has REAL traction thanks to Salla and Wilcock, even though it won't last long. And you wanna see crazy? Did anyone notice all the channelers and weirdos on his page claiming to be in communication with Blue Avians? SHARED DELUSION, or psychically, COREY ACTUALLY CREATED THESE BEINGS IN THE ASTRAL! That's Magic, and it's colorless and not White, IMO.

Posted by bsbray (here)
Coming out as a "whistleblower" seems to have become a fad in the last few years. Just because of the nature of the whole thing, people don't expect to be able to validate what they're hearing/reading, and it becomes literally like a religion, with people believing based on nothing but faith and maybe claims of some kind of intuition which itself wouldn't stand up to critical questioning.

When every other whistleblower either contradicts everyone else in the details, or else they just keep vetting and referring back to one another's work, creating a big circular argument, the whole scheme loses that much more credibility to me. There can be totally legit whistleblowers out there that have 20 people riding their coat tails and copying information from each other, until finally anyone paying attention to all of them doesn't know where up and down are anymore when the details start diverging and the drama erupts.

All of these kinds of discussions just remind me why empirical science, logic and critical thinking used to be valued so much in western society.

^That needs to be emphasized and meditated upon by everyone in light of all the Whistleblowers doing exactly as described. Where are the fact checkers? Real journalists going out an interviewing these peoples families. Would Shane's siblings vouch for his story, or just say, "huh? My brother a what? HAHA ... he must be bored with the music stuff." ... again, no offence to you, Shane, I'm just trying to make a point. Same with your old friend, Corey-- anyone talk to his family or friends? No. They might puke, or like Corey has even said, they think HE NEEDS A 'SHRINK' (psychiatrists).

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)

Posted by DNA (here)
There is no color, detail or texture in the recount of the Ruiner.
The narrative is so generalized, nothing specific.
With all due respect, I'm calling bullsh!t on the ruiner.

He has to be general. Anything else is too dangerous. I've exchanged with him at length, off-record. As long as he doesn't mention specifics (names, places, etc), then that doesn't 'break the rules'.

This policy is also to be found in his blog, and (as an extra insurance policy) he stressed it was all really fiction. My personal conviction, based on what I know, is that it is totally not.

The only thing going for Shane is that Bill Ryan is now vouching for him too.
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Sorry if this, my first post here, was offensive, but I just read this thread after following the drama for months because I'm bored, and it is at least entertaining in a reality TV sort of way.

Here's what I think went down. An OPINION. Corey and Shane were both very bored and also quasi-believers in this type of stuff. Beyond that, they've probably dabbled in the occult at some time or other. They find each other here on Avalon some time ago, start sharing delusions, among other things.

They both claimed they were insiders and on a payroll. They were on a PLAY ROLE, as in ROLEPLAY, trying to one up each other. At some point, it got weird, and I wouldn't doubt some sort of bet or dare was made by them as to who could make up a better story and get the limelight for a while.

It got carried away.

That David Wilcock ran with this stuff just goes to show how Alternative Media works and has been working for ages.

[Bill Ryan]

Posted by Karpos (here)
[... his first post, that took a long time to write ...]

Hey, welcome!

I will NOT take a lot of time over this (forgive me, I don't have all that much right now). A few bulletpoints, because your long post deserves a response:

• Strong advice: don't throw out any babies with the bathwater. (Although you're right: in the alternative media, some parts of the bath really are pretty dirty, and at least need to be carefully filtered.)

• The more specific a whistleblower is, the more reason to be cautious (often, but not always). Shane can NOT name people and places. It's a treating-the-Godfather-with-due-respect kind of thing. The insiders have very specific codes of honor. If you breach those, you're likely to get to find out.

• Put yourself in Shane's shoes. Do a thought experiment (as Einstein put it), and imagine everything he has said about himself is true. What would you do, and how would you do it?

• ("Bill Ryan is now vouching for him too.") Yes, he is. I logged a 50 page written interview with him a few weeks ago (actually, a very long Skype chat over a couple of days), that we agreed would be off-record. It will not be aired on Gaiam TV. He is for real.

[Matthew]

I've heard that the 'good side is winning' regularly and that the illuminati are crumbling but still never sure. I think it will make me dull if I go for it as a belief. I always appreciate people who give information about them though so thank you Shane

[Sean]

That's a good post, and a valid theory as any. Bill will interview him, and I do trust that Bill is sincere, so I'll withhold further judgment uplntil that happens. Meantim\&e, I'll do what I usually do whein presented. with unverfiable info:enter the dreamstate and try to verify on my own.

I know I'm not a liar

Posting from my phone. Forgive the various errors