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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

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    I've heard that the 'good side is winning' regularly and that the illuminati are crumbling but still never sure. I think it will make me dull if I go for it as a belief. I always appreciate people who give information about them though so thank you Shane
    It's very simple. Keep up the effort and fight until it is 100% obvious to you that there is no need to continue.


    HOWEVER.

    The reality is, that it goes back to that premise that this is a holographic 2d information field. And that ...intelligence is organized information in that 2d holographic filed, a patterned information nexus....that is self aware.

    In such a scenario, to relax is to dissolve. To increases is to always be in a growth or active thinking, learning condition. Holding one's ground also requires constancy in maintenance and motion. Relaxing does not exist in this realm.

    To be a commodity in such a space and reality, is to be born coherent to some degree, to be neutral and then relax into dissolution.

    So, which are you? Intelligence that is growing .....or a commodity, something that is used, handled, consumed, eaten, etc?

    If you are an intelligence, then the only answer is that you are on your guard and moving to be alive and self protect, self guard, and add to self. ALWAYS.

    Commodities are dead things, controlled things.

    Intelligence(s) are systems of growth, with no neutral rest state.

    So, in effect, to grow up just like dad, to have a job, to get a house, to have kids, work at the plant, to have a retirement plan, grow old and buy a plot next to the spouse.......is to be a commodity.

    Or, more correctly, to see that it was originally an ATTEMPT to emerge into a growth and life but to see that it was corralled, like a cow, like a pig, like a mink, or a dog. Curtailed, fenced, and satiated ('suckling on a tit' kind of life). So, how far away are those fences, far enough that they are difficult to discern?

    This, of course, comes back to (in some minds) that moon thing....
    Can you explain what you mean about the '"moon thing"? Is there a thread on this (couldn't find one) already?

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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

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    I see no reason to believe any of this story, or even pay much attention to it right now... but this may change... we shall see. Right now, it doesn't sound believable at all to me... the way it is presented.
    One very good reason is that Bill trusts Shane, and I trust Bill. Surely we all do. Personally, I have full confidence in him, and his prior experience in dealing with whistleblowers and 'insiders' (both good and bad), and his capacity for discernment, reason, and sound judgment.

    Many of us have doubts. To be a truthseeker is to constantly wrestle with doubt. It’s like stooping at a riverbank panning for gold. You must be wary, and proceed with careful examination. You must methodically filter a constant flow of often muddy information, looking for a glint of gold. And you must have the skill to identify fool’s gold when it comes along.

    It would be very easy, based on previous experience, to dismiss Shane outright, due to lack of evidence (proof), lack of deep analysis, or corroborating witnesses etc. But as I understand it, Bill has had further contact with Shane - off the record he says, as have several mods I expect, in the past, and with regards this thread, so you can rest assured that in these interactions, more information has been acquired behind the scenes - and a more solid picture of the story, and of Shane the individual. This is what I suspect anyway, and it's more than enough for me, personally, to trust in, and to go forward with.
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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

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    This, of course, comes back to (in some minds) that moon thing....
    Can you explain what you mean about the '"moon thing"? Is there a thread on this (couldn't find one) already?
    If you used the "Advanced Search" (linked from near the top of most pages, right side) and search for posts by Carmody with the word "moon", you will get the 100 most recent posts in which Carmody has used that word. Perhaps that will help a bit.
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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    I would also like to thank Shane for the very interesting blog that I fully read and also the additional input you have given here in PA. I haven't watched the Kerry interview yet but I get the impression from you guys that it doesn't add much to what is already in the blog. Is there any reason to watch it if I have read the whole blog or should I just skip it and wait for Bill's interview?

    I'm so looking forward for the Bill's interview! One question that I have for the interview is: Shane mentioned about talking to a giant, and said that he did not reveal to tptb everything the giant said. Shane however hinted that he would be willing to reveal us the rest of it when the time is right. Is the right time now?

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    Only the enigmatic Ms Cassidy could pull in very nearly eleven thousand views of a thread in two days!
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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    Quote Posted by awakeningmom (here)
    Can you explain what you mean about the '"moon thing"? Is there a thread on this (couldn't find one) already?
    http://www.ivantic.net/Slike%20i%20kratki%20filmovi/Ingo_Swann_Penetration.pdf (Modedit: material removed due to Copyright Complaint. -- Paul.)

    That is a good start....
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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    Thank you to Kerry and Shane as well as to all others who have seasoned this thread with so much food for thought. My heart says to stay strong in our love and connection with our mother and her wisdom. She will guide us as she always has. We need to begin to build the bridge between the old world and this new on we are about to create with kindness and confidence. We need to look into the eyes of those we connect with and really communicate. We need human, earthly interactions that reach towards Source. We can do this!

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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    I don't trust in someone because someone else trusts them, even though that can be a good starting point in considering outlandish stories like this one. It's very clear to me that Bill is quite capable and clever... his 'track record' is genuine... but I need to decide whether this Ruiner story is authentic for myself... by looking at the info, presentation style, what kinds of subjects are focused on, what kind of energy is being projected, etc. Also I listen closely to my internal awareness signals, which I've learned to trust over the years.

    I've always done things my own way, and being unpopular because of my views or choices has never really bothered me, as I've learned that the most popular views on things are many times wrong or distorted and I'd much rather be 'on the right track' than popular.

    In this particular case of the Ruiner, it doesn't have any 'ring of truth' for me, so far... and it kinda has the feel of a 'rookie operation'. So right now it is of little concern to me... but this may change as we continue to hear more of the story. I'd particularly like to hear more audio interviewing, as then there is a lot more than just words on a page to consider... you can hear where the person is coming from much better. Also, people have been posting some very good questions here and it's interesting to see what questions are addressed and which ones are ignored.

    I'm going to keep an eye on this, but not take it too seriously... but I may change my mind at any time... which could be in an hour, or not at all.

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    I see no reason to believe any of this story, or even pay much attention to it right now... but this may change... we shall see. Right now, it doesn't sound believable at all to me... the way it is presented.
    One very good reason is that Bill trusts Shane, and I trust Bill. Surely we all do. Personally, I have full confidence in him, and his prior experience in dealing with whistleblowers and 'insiders' (both good and bad), and his capacity for discernment, reason, and sound judgment.

    Many of us have doubts. To be a truthseeker is to constantly wrestle with doubt. It’s like stooping at a riverbank panning for gold. You must be wary, and proceed with careful examination. You must methodically filter a constant flow of often muddy information, looking for a glint of gold. And you must have the skill to identify fool’s gold when it comes along.

    It would be very easy, based on previous experience, to dismiss Shane outright, due to lack of evidence (proof), lack of deep analysis, or corroborating witnesses etc. But as I understand it, Bill has had further contact with Shane - off the record he says, as have several mods I expect, in the past, and with regards this thread, so you can rest assured that in these interactions, more information has been acquired behind the scenes - and a more solid picture of the story, and of Shane the individual. This is what I suspect anyway, and it's more than enough for me, personally, to trust in, and to go forward with.
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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    Hi Bill,

    I was just reading your post (#160) and I had a thought...it's one of those thoughts that, when formed into a question, gives the questioner the feeling that he's asking something that has a rather obvious answer but still needs to be asked nonetheless...

    I'm wondering why some would be whistleblowers who do have definititive or close to definitive proof regarding issues like giants, 9-11, ufo's, shadow governments, true history of the earth etc, don't just *anonymously* (key word here) send all their irrefutable documents, pictures and so forth to all the major news agencies across the world, all the alternative researchers like yourself, all influential radio personalities and so forth....the idea being to simply overwhelm all these media outlets with undeniable, impossible to ignore proof in an effort to force "their" hand. And, having done it anonymously, they will have..in theory.. removed any threat on their or their loved ones lives..

    Why do you s'pose nothing like this has ever happened? I know Ive really oversimplified a rather complex situation..but I think you see where I'm going here

    Obviously those running major media outlets censor a great deal of what reaches the public...but in this little hypothetical scenario of mine, too many eyes see the stuff to simply bury it.

    It seems like a question that needs to be asked, and yet I can't shake this feeling that it's a really really stupid one

    Also, why do think someone like David Icke for example, who names more names than the yellow pages, and offers highly detailed and specific information...isn't harmed, threatened or killed?

    I'd appreciate your take. Thanks.
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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    I hope that Shane will tell us what he can about Fukushima, what the long term effects may be on the planet, whether it's safe to be living in Hawaii and on the West Coast currently, whether the controllers (or white hats) plan to make any real efforts to clean it up, or if they will just let the chips fall where they may.
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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    Quote It's very simple. Keep up the effort and fight until it is 100% obvious to you that there is no need to continue.
    Yes! That's the way I look at it. Little sparks of hope, like seeing chemtrails have stopped in my area recently, are not supposed to make us sit around congratulating ourselves. The freedom initiative will continue until everyone is fed, has water, is 100 percent cured of all disease, and the planet is completely healed.

    Quote And of course, never mind about the moon...which we all seem to forget (somehow)....

    (meaning, if you talk about the moon, the heat comes up very very fast)
    Are you talking about etheric heat from the AI/guards sensing your signature as you talk about a "banned" topic? Or internet trolls? Or something else. Thanks...

    I will check out your posts on this subject. In the Truman Show, this reality is run from the moon.

    EDIT: I am now reading your posts Carmody, about the moon and the results of RVing it. Do you think the signal is very slowly being jammed? There's a hell of an intense fight on.
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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    Thank you for this interview Ruiner and Kerry.
    Ruiner, I did have an adverse reaction to reading the blog and stopped reading.
    I made myself listen to this interview to try again and understand where you are coming from regarding Illuminiati scenarios. I was calmed by your voice and listened completely with interest.
    I look forward to listening to you again should you make interviews available. I really, really like hearing you speak.
    My apologies for not being able to accept your written words of your truth.

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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    The central issue with regard to Shane, as I see it, is trust. Someone said they can’t trust him because they were fooled by Charles, Corey or whoever. This is equivalent to saying that not only has specific trust in a given person been lost, the very attitude of trust is no longer possible. This in turn leads to mistrusting and lashing out at Bill Ryan and the forum team on the one hand, and any received wisdom on the other, up to and including a spherical earth. All because of Charles, Corey or some other attention-seeker.

    ‘Once bitten twice shy’ is the natural reaction after a trauma that has to be overcome in order to function properly. Humanity has been so traumatized by so many things over such a long period that it has almost lost all ability to trust; which is what we are here to rebuild. If you understand trust as the very definition of positive synergy between entities, you see how destructive its loss can be; the very roots of society are undermined. So whatever angle you have on the ‘evil agenda’, it can also be envisaged in terms of trust, or the lack of same.

    Trust has to be restored on a case-by-case basis. If you prejudge Tom on the basis of your experience with Dick and Harry, then you have taken yourself completely out of the game. There is nothing Tom or anyone else can do to convince you to trust them. What can you do to get back on track? Well, trust is not an either/or. You might think you can’t trust someone to ‘tell you the time of day’, but just try them with that, and again, and again, with increasingly important matters. You may discover beyond some area of misunderstanding or disagreement that the person was fundamentally trustworthy. That means they have integrity, and while total integrity means being the same all the way through, from every angle, and at all times, most people will fall at least a little short of total integrity. In other words, they also create a few obstacles or leave a few gaps that you need to jump over.

    Trust is a leap of faith. You are grounded, then you jump (ungrounded) and then you land (grounded again). The ungrounded moment is faith, but it is immediately rewarded. If you can’t leap over an obstacle, then you have to take the long detour round it. The difference between running and walking is that running involves both feet leaving the ground. It is ever so slightly riskier than walking, but so much faster. The risk is small because the leap is short and there is no obstacle. So trust is what makes society run, faster and over shorter distances. Given the present stage we are it, we have no choice. The detour, if it exists, is too long and tricky. And the upcoming obstacle is a biggish one that calls for a little practice beforehand. You can only trust bigtime if you have plenty of practice trusting smalltime. The thing is, there is always that little extra that is demanded of you. Trust means improving on your personal best, going where you’ve never been before, and maybe never thought you could. Because trusting other people by definition means speculating on their present or future performance being consistent with their past performance – theirs, not someone else’s. Since that performance also involves who they trust, trust being a currency that circulates like money, by helping to make the system work for everyone willing to contribute, the more you spend the more you stand to gain. And the unwilling – whether untrustworthy or untrusting, it makes no difference – ultimately lose out.

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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

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    Hi Bill,

    I was just reading your post (#160) and I had a thought...it's one of those thoughts that, when formed into a question, gives the questioner the feeling that he's asking something that has a rather obvious answer but still needs to be asked nonetheless...

    I'm wondering why some would be whistleblowers who do have definititive or close to definitive proof regarding issues like giants, 9-11, ufo's, shadow governments, true history of the earth etc, don't just *anonymously* (key word here) send all their irrefutable documents, pictures and so forth to all the major news agencies across the world, all the alternative researchers like yourself, all influential radio personalities and so forth....the idea being to simply overwhelm all these media outlets with undeniable, impossible to ignore proof in an effort to force "their" hand. And, having done it anonymously, they will have..in theory.. removed any threat on their or their loved ones lives..

    Why do you s'pose nothing like this has ever happened? I know Ive really oversimplified a rather complex situation..but I think you see where I'm going here

    Obviously those running major media outlets censor a great deal of what reaches the public...but in this little hypothetical scenario of mine, too many eyes see the stuff to simply bury it.

    It seems like a question that needs to be asked, and yet I can't shake this feeling that it's a really really stupid one

    Also, why do think someone like David Icke for example, who names more names than the yellow pages, and offers highly detailed and specific information...isn't harmed, threatened or killed?

    I'd appreciate your take. Thanks.
    I don't presume to answer for Bill or anyone else, but personally speaking, from the top of my head, I would say the most sensitive, need-to-know information is strictly controlled, eyes only, and highly, highly compartmentalized. There is no concrete proof available, neither documents, photographs, or footage, not for any potential security threat who could casually stumble across them.

    Whisleblowers are probably detected immediately - they are probably profiled as such long before it occurs to them to be a whistelblower. If they intend to circulate delicate information (evidence), it depends on the quality of that evidence (how damaging it is to TPTB, or, how it might in some cases further their agenda), as to whether or not it is allowed to be leaked, and what controls can be exerted over how it is leaked. Those on the other hand who obtain actual physical proof, and seek to disclose it, are likely eliminated before they can do so.
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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    Quote Posted by vortexpoint (here)
    One question that I have for the interview is: Shane mentioned about talking to a giant, and said that he did not reveal to tptb everything the giant said. Shane however hinted that he would be willing to reveal us the rest of it when the time is right. Is the right time now?
    I understand this was meant to go towards the interview questions, but because I have already written this answer into the blog "Sleeping Giants" I can respond quickly.

    It was simply that there were more here than the structure was aware of. Many sites have not yet been found despite their efforts. That their worship is misdirected and not accomplishing what they believe.

    Funny really, as this information is not nearly as serious or important as "they" thought it would be.

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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    The Ruiner states that he no longer serves the Illuminati, so I am not sure why you begin the paragraph following with " If the Ruiner is as he states, then the Ruiner serves an angle of the spiritual/philosophical branch of the Illuminati. Please explain. Thanks.

    Quote Posted by terragunn (here)

    If the Ruiner is as he states, then the Ruiner serves an angle of the spiritual/philosophical branch of the Illuminati. What is salient to dissect and discern is the angle/programme/cause itself that the Ruiner serves and, by way of suggestion, propagates. The relayed double-talk information of the Ruiner is not as important as the angle/cause of which the Ruiner serves and propogates. Such is the same with all those who are instruments of the Cabal, whether witting or unwitting.
    My comment is in regards to the information relayed by the Ruiner on the Ruiner’s blogspot, including his responses to queries.

    In my understanding (and the following has nothing to do with the Ruiner's posts and relay of information, but rather the programmed Illuminati mind-set), the psychological programming of members of ‘The Family’ (or Illuminati) begins in the astral before incarnation onto the material plane. The psychological programming continues after incarnation onto the material plane, when members of ‘The Family’ are children, in order to more effectively and more easily prime them for the roles they may potentially play later on, as well as to suppress further any vestige of spirit/free will/personal sovereignty. This is one layer of the soul harvesting process. Some do not make it far into ‘later on’ as the role they are psychologically programmed to play (and told they were ‘chosen’ to play and ‘made an agreement’ to play) is one of ritual sacrifice.

    One does not have to be a Family member of the Illuminati to serve it. As long as such fits in with their agendas, their angles (angels/aeons), arches (archons), and Law of Confusion – spreading misinformation, disinformation, corruption and distortion serve the Illuminati (who serve one or more thought deities in the astral/ether) quite well.

    All branches of the Illuminati coincide with psychology and navigation of Creator beings’ thoughts. This is a prominent part of Illuminati programming and the prominent purpose of the computation Matrix. Once again, control the thoughts of those who are Creators (but who do not realise, remember, or believe fully that they are Creators), and via the Source/life-force manifestational powers of the Creators’ thoughts, the Creators become imprisoned within these thoughts, which in turn and via Universal Law, manifest into the Creators’ material and psychological ‘realities’.

    More now than ever there are so-called Illuminati ‘insiders’ coming out of the circuitry of the A.I. Usurper. They are coming out of the circuitry of the A.I. Usurper because different collective consciousnesses of the Creator beings on the material plane command, by Universal Law and vibrational frequency that they come out. And this is where we must fine-tune our powers of discernment because such programmed shills and piss-artist charlatans will target these collective consciousnesses with baited psychological exercises to create a new foundation layer in which to build subsequent layers of misdirection, all under the guise of ‘disclosure’.

    This is my last incarnation on the material plane. I am well prepared to meet the astrals (who I have already met, time and time and time again) upon leaving my physical vehicle, and I will not be coerced by them into another incarnational recycling on the material plane via their tunnel of false light. I am well aware of their tricks. I am well aware of the screen image overlays. I am well aware to look not outside myself for light but to bring the light I AM within me to radiate outwards. This is the Source of Creation: internally to externally. NOT the other way round.

    The computation Matrix loses its power when the Users (US) -- those of Source electricity and life-force energy -- leave the Game. And no -- I am not talking about suicide. Connect with your spirit and acknowledge your spirit, for in your spirit you will find the truth of who you are.
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    Very helpful...thanks Terragun
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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    Having been around a few short years ago, and having experienced another who had strong connections to certain very powerful families (Illuminati? Maybe...), I was at the least, fascinated when a friend told me about Ruiner, and I read quite a bit of his material.

    It became so obvious to me, it had to be one-and-the-same as the character from this site's past, that so intrigued everyone for months. Or someone else, who's associating with this past personage.

    There was nothing new in what Ruiner was saying, and boredom set in. I do believe we're being 'played', again.

    It's actually quite amusing that Mz. Cassidy, who was so much the open enemy of this former character in the past, is now interviewing him.

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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    Quote Posted by princesslovercup (here)
    Having been around a few short years ago, and having experienced another who had strong connections to certain very powerful families (Illuminati? Maybe...), I was at the least, fascinated when a friend told me about Ruiner, and I read quite a bit of his material.

    It became so obvious to me, it had to be one-and-the-same as the character from this site's past, that so intrigued everyone for months. Or someone else, who's associating with this past personage.

    There was nothing new in what Ruiner was saying, and boredom set in. I do believe we're being 'played', again.

    It's actually quite amusing that Mz. Cassidy, who was so much the open enemy of this former character in the past, is now interviewing him.
    Welcome back, princesslovercup. It’s been three months since you’ve posted. To catch you up, here’s the thread that’s been running since April 26, 2015, called “The Blog of The Ruiner - Inside the Illuminati Mind”. The Runier, Shane, also joins in every so often. He’s been a member of Avalon since December 28, 2012. And someone correct me if I’m wrong, Shane also was an Avalon moderator.

    Quote I do believe we're being 'played', again.
    I speak for myself. So that’s “we” minus "RunningDeer". I don’t feel I’m being played. Cuz, I’m in charge of me.

    Some of the consistent messages that I read from The Runier’s shares, and all of which I fully agree and live are:
    • Think for yourself.
    • We are empowered beings.
    • Use discernment.
    • We are powerful creator beings.
    • Nature nurtures and grounds.
    • Keep it simple.
    IMO: Shane is not a ’character’. He’s someone that cares enough to give of his time and energy to assist in this rigged game.

    RunningDeer
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    Default Re: Shane/The Ruiner's interview with Kerry Cassidy, 8 Sept 2015

    While I am empathetic and sympathetic to Shane and Simon and other whistleblowers who have left the ranks of the controllers (whether Illuminati, ET or ED)... or at least, claim to have left (and I believe that we and they really can break those chains)... I also think it's critical not to underestimate the difficulty of such a painstaking endeavor or the amount of time that it may take.
    Particularly since the programming starts, probably in most cases, not just in infancy, but, as Terragunn states, before birth, and can also carry over over from previous lifetimes.
    (Case in point, I remember somewhere Agape stating that she thinks Simon is going to make a good whistleblower someday... )
    In engaging with whistleblowers in the kinds of dialogues that we engage in here on Avalon, though each of us are in a different stage of de-hypnosis, I think what we are doing is a kind of mutually supportive group de-programming, even if we aren't aware of it.
    And I think this is true even when we aren't particularly empathetic or sympathetic, and perhaps even especially then...there's plenty to be upset about, and sometimes venting may be the most appropriate thing to do.
    Perhaps that's why Bill was so tolerant of some of the critical remarks from Avalonians about the interview with Shane.
    And I think Terragunn's post contains much wisdom that should not be ignored, though it may be stringent.
    Quote Posted by terragunn (here)
    Quote Posted by onawah (here)
    The Ruiner states that he no longer serves the Illuminati, so I am not sure why you begin the paragraph following with " If the Ruiner is as he states, then the Ruiner serves an angle of the spiritual/philosophical branch of the Illuminati. Please explain. Thanks.

    Quote Posted by terragunn (here)

    If the Ruiner is as he states, then the Ruiner serves an angle of the spiritual/philosophical branch of the Illuminati. What is salient to dissect and discern is the angle/programme/cause itself that the Ruiner serves and, by way of suggestion, propagates. The relayed double-talk information of the Ruiner is not as important as the angle/cause of which the Ruiner serves and propogates. Such is the same with all those who are instruments of the Cabal, whether witting or unwitting.
    My comment is in regards to the information relayed by the Ruiner on the Ruiner’s blogspot, including his responses to queries.

    In my understanding (and the following has nothing to do with the Ruiner's posts and relay of information, but rather the programmed Illuminati mind-set), the psychological programming of members of ‘The Family’ (or Illuminati) begins in the astral before incarnation onto the material plane. The psychological programming continues after incarnation onto the material plane, when members of ‘The Family’ are children, in order to more effectively and more easily prime them for the roles they may potentially play later on, as well as to suppress further any vestige of spirit/free will/personal sovereignty. This is one layer of the soul harvesting process. Some do not make it far into ‘later on’ as the role they are psychologically programmed to play (and told they were ‘chosen’ to play and ‘made an agreement’ to play) is one of ritual sacrifice.

    One does not have to be a Family member of the Illuminati to serve it. As long as such fits in with their agendas, their angles (angels/aeons), arches (archons), and Law of Confusion – spreading misinformation, disinformation, corruption and distortion serve the Illuminati (who serve one or more thought deities in the astral/ether) quite well.

    All branches of the Illuminati coincide with psychology and navigation of Creator beings’ thoughts. This is a prominent part of Illuminati programming and the prominent purpose of the computation Matrix. Once again, control the thoughts of those who are Creators (but who do not realise, remember, or believe fully that they are Creators), and via the Source/life-force manifestational powers of the Creators’ thoughts, the Creators become imprisoned within these thoughts, which in turn and via Universal Law, manifest into the Creators’ material and psychological ‘realities’.

    More now than ever there are so-called Illuminati ‘insiders’ coming out of the circuitry of the A.I. Usurper. They are coming out of the circuitry of the A.I. Usurper because different collective consciousnesses of the Creator beings on the material plane command, by Universal Law and vibrational frequency that they come out. And this is where we must fine-tune our powers of discernment because such programmed shills and piss-artist charlatans will target these collective consciousnesses with baited psychological exercises to create a new foundation layer in which to build subsequent layers of misdirection, all under the guise of ‘disclosure’.

    This is my last incarnation on the material plane. I am well prepared to meet the astrals (who I have already met, time and time and time again) upon leaving my physical vehicle, and I will not be coerced by them into another incarnational recycling on the material plane via their tunnel of false light. I am well aware of their tricks. I am well aware of the screen image overlays. I am well aware to look not outside myself for light but to bring the light I AM within me to radiate outwards. This is the Source of Creation: internally to externally. NOT the other way round.

    The computation Matrix loses its power when the Users (US) -- those of Source electricity and life-force energy -- leave the Game. And no -- I am not talking about suicide. Connect with your spirit and acknowledge your spirit, for in your spirit you will find the truth of who you are.
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