THE RULERS OF THE WORLD: a new Project Avalon video interview

[bluestflame]

part of awakening is seeing more of the hidden things we've either been shielded from , had shielded from us , ignored , avoided , or been distracted from , ie , seeing a bigger picture about what's really been going on ...then making INFORMED DECISIONS

we do the best we know how based on information and insights available at the time , then adjust( if we are wise) as new information adds to our understanding

again i get informed decisions as the unconscious influences come forward and become more known ( some call it conscious living )

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an aside to that ( or perhaps a symptom of it ) has anyone else noticed a reduction in the need for as many hours of sleep lately ? ( perhaps awakening comes across the board as the unconscious conflicts that drain us are resolved and disarmed the energetic struggle reduced, lessoning the need for so much "recharge" time )

[Ahkenaten]

Posted by cosmiclagoon (here)
Oh yeah, I am the first to acknowledge that I know next to nothing about subliminal messaging. I will say that if I have been exposed to it, it hasn't done a very good job, haha!
But definitely, if you could send some stuff my way, I'd love to educate myself more on it.

here's coming at you cosmic - this is very interesting stuff............

https://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ain-with-light

[peace]

hi, bill. amazing stuff, very interesting. yes i'm new, to the forums, but have followed camelot/avalon for a 2 years. i find scrolling through these posts that i'm afraid your correct that he won't give another interview. a main reason i never joined forums (other than wanting to objectively form my own opinions) is some of the baseless almost hate involved with some of the posts (calling people crazy, liars, disinforments), it's a bit of a let down. i'm ok with disagreement, of course, but in promoting the "alternative media" (i have a degree and worked in mainstream journalism for a while) it sure doesn't help our cause when there is a ton of in fighting. i hope you can assure him that the right people will listen, objectively and with some open disagreement, but we will listen.
after that, some questions if you can answer them, and i know you have many before me:
1. i have to admit i started salivating about the "thing" on the moon, that would make even him start to care a bit, is this the same object wilcock, kerry and yourself were talking about in your interview with wilcock at the resturant from a few years back (you were talking about arthur c. clark then as well)? if so, what is it?
2. i am in total agreement with you about the grand scope of say, the idea of underground bases and the sheer magnitude of people that would be in the know about such things, but i don't understand how quite literally thousands of people could keep such a secret, even with a no-disclosure agreement, someone, we are human, would spill something. so, my question is (sorry), in the event of the false flag event showing et's to be hostile is that just the group of 33 planning/coordinating it or is it thousands of people, much like the man/brain power it would take to build huge underground tunnels/bases? if you've ever been a boss/manager, you'll know that something of such scale (i think) would have to have more than 33 folks involved.
bill, i appreciate your work. if you can't answer these, fine!! please do try to get another interview, if anything. those that should know will listen!
thanks.

[jcocks]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
My opinion at the moment, based on the responses I've read so far on this forum and elsewhere, is that it's unlikely that Charles would do another interview, or that much more information (if any) would be sanctioned by the controlling group.

I talked with Charles on audio for over 30 hours during the four months before we met. I was moderately amazed that the interview happened at all - and again when it was approved.

For those of you who ask that proof be provided of who Charles is, do understand that I asked a lot of questions, and did a very great deal of careful listening, during those 30 hours of off-record conversation. That's a LOT of time.

Two other Avalon Forum members have also talked with him remotely, one other person has met him in person, and about half a dozen more still have exchanged e-mails with him. But it would be unreasonable to expect any of those people to come forward and say anything at all (unless they want to!) under the circumstances.

I think Charles did a fairly astonishing job given the pressure and constraints he was under, and what was at stake - and I also feel that I could not have done much better myself. There's no doubt in my mind that the opportunity was taken to test the temperature of the response - and also to see how I (and the alternative community) would handle the aftermath. We are left to guess what conclusions they may currently be drawing.

Oh, i think they would have expected the responses we've given them on this forum... Remember, they're many steps ahead of us in this game. From what I've heard of the interview so far (not much) it sounds as if they sent Charles to "take care of you", but KNEW that he'd befriend you. If they really wanted to get rid of you, they would have done so by now...so I think, instead, that you have been tested to see how you would react at every step of the way. If you had failed the tests you would not be here...but since you are, my bet is that they now they think you may be useful to them.

My feeling is that they will try to use you to get their message out (Whatever that may be) and to acheieve some disclosure.... The ball has been started moving now, and it would be very hard to stop it whatever happens. As I said before, I feel as if you can expect to do more interviews with these people, but I doubt you'll be dealing with Charles too much on the interview side ("If you want something done properly, do it yourself" - you get my drift ).... And I say, if you're given the opportunity, run with it! You may be the only link with these guys that we have!

And to finish, I'd like to say this : It's NOT IMPORTANT (in respect to this situation with regard to the 33) how we respond to this information. What *IS* important to them, is how Bill conducted himself. It's bills job to get the info out, and what we do with it then is our own business. I would imagine they would expect a whole range of replies (which is what they got), ranging from "yes well that makes sense and it's nice to hear it from an official source" to "WHAT THE FK, THAT'S NOTHING NEW YOU &**@*@&!!!!"..... As long as some people deal with it in a calm and rational manner and attempt a sensible dialog regarding this info, that's all that matters.

In essense, I believe that PC is probably the best outlet they have at this time for this information (with the most level-headed audience who -for the most part- don't mout-off willy nilly about things), and Bill has proven himself a very polite and respectable interviewer who always respects the subject and thier wishes, and who always makes sure he follows protocols set out to him (which is a must in this field!)... If I were the 33 I'd be mad not to make continued use of this channel of communication...

[ThePythonicCow]

A transcript will be available in a week or so,

I am looking forward to this. My hearing is not so good, rendering perhaps 10% or 20% of Charles words incomprehensible to me.

[Dila]

I don't think we ever hear from Charles again. Simply because he is not privy himself to the most important aspect of it- their religion. I don't think they themselves call it 'religion' though. For them it's the Sacred Law and their actions are based on it, or their interpretation of it.
They won't bother justifying themselves to us. We don't have enough of the basic knowledge and comprehension of the univeral laws.

I think they are using Charles and Bill as their tools, either in conducting the poll, or spreading the dis-info. If they wanted an open dialogue they would have sent somebody else.

Somebody on this forum posted a link to the discussion with the member of the elite who supposedly belonged to the bloodlines. He/she said they use people who gained credibility and respect of others as instruments to throw certain ideas our way so that we can then manifest them in our reality by giving them our focused thought. They even provide eyewitnesses to make the idea take root. It might also be the case here.

I think it's an experiment within experiment. Some ET race created us millions of years ago, certainly not 3. Unfortunately or not, their stance was non-interference. Some other race of beings picked up on that and started their own little experiment. Whatever they think they are doing, I think it's far from benevolent. They are absolved from consequence because they consider their actions beneficial for the human race and in line with the Sacred Cosmic Law. I am sure that's what they themselves have been told by beings from higher dimensions who had started that 3 million year project. I wonder if they themselves have got any freedom to choose how to rule and what to say to the public. I also wonder if they have emotions.

[qbeac]

Hi Dila, you’ve made several very good points, in my opinion. I subscribe them, although I am not saying that I am sure 100% that all of it would be correct. What I am saying is that those points-possibilities you have pointed out make a lot of sense and we should not dismiss them out of hand.

I quote your post in which I have numbered the points I’m referring to and I also have underlined several key phrases:

Posted by Dila (here)
1) We don't have enough of the basic knowledge and comprehension of the univeral laws.

2) I think they are using Charles and Bill as their tools, either in conducting the poll, or spreading the dis-info. If they wanted an open dialogue they would have sent somebody else.

3) Somebody on this forum posted a link to the discussion with the member of the elite who supposedly belonged to the bloodlines. He/she said they use people who gained credibility and respect of others as instruments to throw certain ideas our way so that we can then manifest them in our reality by giving them our focused thought. They even provide eyewitnesses to make the idea take root. It might also be the case here.

4) I think it's an experiment within experiment. Some ET race created us millions of years ago, certainly not 3. Unfortunately or not, their stance was non-interference. Some other race of beings picked up on that and started their own little experiment. Whatever they think they are doing, I think it's far from benevolent. They are absolved from consequence because they consider their actions beneficial for the human race and in line with the Sacred Cosmic Law. I am sure that's what they themselves have been told by beings from higher dimensions who had started that 3 million year project. I wonder if they themselves have got any freedom to choose how to rule and what to say to the public. I also wonder if they have emotions.

With regards to the last sentence (“I also wonder if they have emotions”), I believe Alex Collier said in a Project Camelot conference (was it in LA?) that “they” are not “us”, implying that the “rulers” (I am not sure if the 33 or their ET bosses) could be non-human.

Therefore, they (the rulers) might have a different DNA (different race) and not have a heart connection or have an atrophied one (or damaged, or disconnected). That is not to say that they could not evolve and change someday, somehow. In any case, a dialogue with them would be quite different than a dialogue with regular humans.

But I also believe, as Tsun Tzu says in “The Art of War”, that it’s good to know your enemy, among other things because we should not dismiss out of hand the possibility of someday making peace. In that regards, I applaud Bill Ryan’s initiative and good intentions, and I think this forum and the people who are participating in it (us) are working in that direction too: peace and the evolution of consciousness for all beings, humans or non-humans.

[physicistatwork]

The very first question that comes to my mind after listening to the interview is : Has anyone tried to imagine what sort of disruption would be caused by the vanishing of 3/4 of the world population? This would affect every single survivor, including the "33 blood lines", in a drasticaly tragic way. Only fools would even consider such a way to solve the world',s population problem. In this sense I am in total accordance with Bill that there are other ways to solve the problem, and more, there are better ways.
My second question which has been "bugging" me for quite a while is to do with the increase in population. Taking for granted that we are spiritual eternal beings(in some time context which I won't go into here) I cannot find a way of reconciling the increase of the world population with the idea of reincarnation? The "numbers should remain fixed"(using a mathematical term). They do not! So where or what is this "soul factory"?
The third and last question for now, concerns the "33". Having so much "inside knowledge" they should also know that their life on earth is limited and that as spiritual beings, their "hunger for control" will stop sometime in a following reincarnation. Why bother then? Does this power carry on from reincarnation to reincarnation?
Bets regards and admiration to you Bill

[kinsuemei2]

Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Hi there - online very briefly, for a few minutes only, at a service station on the Freeway.

It's like a group of deer in the forest who see the gamekeeper with his gun, as he takes aim at them, and say: "That crazy guy with the gun doesn't have our best interests at heart. Run!"

The gamekeeper is playing a different game. His concern is to safeguard the herd. Or the forest. Or the ecosystem. Not individual deer.

From the viewpoint of the deer, the gamekeeper is a murderer. But ask the gamekeeper, and he thinks he's a good man.

This is an important post.

I believe that Jerry and I also covered this in the UTE show, yes Ben and Jerry lol anyways... Sometimes I look at this planet and feel that were growing population wise at a geometric rate, of course if we keep going we will run out of resources eventually unless we think smarter, but while the Japanese whale hunter is thinking of his paycheck, he does not know if he will find whale, he simply wants to put food on his table and if he eliminates the whale, that’s not his problem because he is doing his job, he is providing for his family, That’s fine, but take that analogy and place that on more things, Gold is supposed to have a healing ability. So we take the gold out of the planet, from deep inside the planet and the planet gets sick, we also take the diamonds and other rocks too, again, they get rich and are just doing their job, the same with coal, paper, the black blood of the earth the oil, and all the resources at our disposal.

Now I have thought and I might be dammed and hung for this, but I personally have thought on occasion that sometimes what a wonderful world would exist full of life if we were not here to destroy the beauty of the planet, they say the entire population of the world can live with adequate space in Texas, but the entire population would not agree to that, as long as certain people have their huge houses and contribute to simply being a consumer. I understand the reasoning of the 33, and sometimes when we look upon what we do I ask myself why? Why are human beings so blind, conditioned or controlled, the bottom line is that is an excuse and a very comfortable one, I am not saying we have to live like monks on a farm, but we have to take responsibility for what we have done, what we’re doing, and the 33 are a mere reflection of us, just doing what they perceive is there job much like the whale hunter.
They are beautiful beings as are we, but in the end, to the whale hunter, to the woodcutters who deforest the world’s most essential natural resource that allows us to breath, to the 33 that feel that we are a cancer, that if unchecked and uncontrolled will destroy this world. The problem we face is that in all of their naivety they are right. But that is only because they have shown us that way, because they have created the monster, they only know one aspect creating another to deal with it, when all people need is to be shown the way, to be lead to the conclusion alone, and to understand.
When we work out and train it’s important to know you’re limits and this is what we need, limits understanding what we need, not want, understanding how to give and not sell, and understanding how to co-exist with each other whilst not arguing over who’s tree this is, who’s land that is, the 33 or groups surrounding us have shown us that this is your tree and you must defended, and they have lied and twisted at every turn this is nobody’s tree, this tree belongs to the planet and we have to think of what will happen before we harvest the fruit from a dying tree.

The human race is about to become what it fears from alien attack, we are becoming the very threat we see in independence day, was a stand against the harvesters, you see that film as a fight against an unstoppable alien race, but we are the survivors, and THEY the 33 and there mind controlled drones are the Alien race that harvests and moves on, they strip the planet and move on, and because the people are mere shadows of the 33 until they can be reached and the Virus in the mother ship that brought the shields down was the truth movement, allowing the people to awaken and get a grip on reality.

Ok I have ranted enough, in short I understand where they are coming from, I agree and also disagree, I do believe that drastic change has to occur, but as the Chinese say, understanding is a three edged sword, especially in this scenario.

[Zook]

Good morning, Good Avalon and P_A_W,

Posted by physicistatwork (here)
The very first question that comes to my mind after listening to the interview is : Has anyone tried to imagine what sort of disruption would be caused by the vanishing of 3/4 of the world population? This would affect every single survivor, including the "33 blood lines", in a drasticaly tragic way. Only fools would even consider such a way to solve the world',s population problem. In this sense I am in total accordance with Bill that there are other ways to solve the problem, and more, there are better ways.

Depends on whose problem one is trying to solve, when you get right down to it. Overpopulation as they see it ... is mismanagement as you or I may see it.

My second question which has been "bugging" me for quite a while is to do with the increase in population. Taking for granted that we are spiritual eternal beings(in some time context which I won't go into here) I cannot find a way of reconciling the increase of the world population with the idea of reincarnation? The "numbers should remain fixed"(using a mathematical term). They do not! So where or what is this "soul factory"?

The numbers only remain fixed in a closed system. The grand paradigm of reincarnation appears to move across boundaries and dimensions, and through densities.

The third and last question for now, concerns the "33". Having so much "inside knowledge" they should also know that their life on earth is limited and that as spiritual beings, their "hunger for control" will stop sometime in a following reincarnation. Why bother then? Does this power carry on from reincarnation to reincarnation? Bets regards and admiration to you Bill

I believe the answer to that question resides in the choice to eschew the ethereal in favor of the ephemeral. To ignore the spiritual and embrace the physical. To be romantic; and not to be platonic. To be carnal ... to reincarnate.

In short, they like to poke - and be poked - by each other and by the prongs of the trident ... while the rest of us are content with poking each other sans the trident.



Jumbled opinions all around.

[Burke]

But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred.

We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force.

The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to a distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We can not walk alone.

Martin Luther King
August 28, 1963
Lincoln Memorial, Washington D.C.

[bashi]

It seems on the moon are major pieces of the puzzle which leads to understand the past and the future of mankind.

Some thoughts on „Unil they get to the moon and bring that thing back…“ by Charles.

Maybe he was referring to a find in Charly`s crater:




An artefact that looks very much like a head:

Colour enhanced:

It has a striking resemblance to the robot 3PO in “Star Wars”:





BTW: Saturn`s moon Iapetus has a strange anomaly...

A ridge around the equator ...





It has also a striking resemblance:




My guess is that Bill was discussing with Charles similar topics.


More info on: enterprisemission.com

[MorningSong]

Wow! I've had to run a marathon to keep up with reading this thread! What a buzz!

I saw the video about 4 days ago and this is what I originally wanted to post. By the time I got it written, the thread had taken a turn in discussion, so I have just waited..but now I feel kind of left out, so here it is:

Now, we think we know more about the “controllers”. We think we know their plans better. We can clearly imagine the destination their plans have waiting for us. We can consider our options, prepare for compromise, rebellion or submission. We can psychologically prepare for the day we must make those choices and act according to our desires.

By seeking/accepting “dialogue” through “C”, Bill as our mouthpiece, we might be able to turn the tide, to change the timeline, if you will. We may even change our own points of view, if we know the true process we think we are to experience. We can possibly change the opponent's point of view (the apparent intention to destroy our cultures, our life styles, our “realities”) if we prove our/its valor, our/its worth, our integrity and our love for this planet and it's possibilities.

Just as “Charles” appeared surprised to know that Bill knows about the bases on Mars, something we all at Avalon have had the opportunity to learn about (et al!), don't you think that the “33” want to know just how much we think we know? I was surprised to observe that “C” didn't know about the Georgia Guidestones”, but after a bit of reflection, it is more apparent to me that he wanted to know just what Bill/we knew before giving and answer/opinion.

At certain moments, I was afraid that Bill was letting out too much info, that is, kind of telling “C” what he/we know. This might be what “they” wanted, as what Bill wanted was for “C” to confirm this info as “true” or “untrue”. Often I did feel that “C” did not know that Bill/we were aware of certain topics and that he even mentioned things as “novelty” in such a “cocky” way, that it was obvious he thought he was adding some juicy new material to be chewed on.

For me, to hear someone from the “inside” say “yes” or “no” to our suspected “truths” is absolutely priceless, very valuable. In order to “fight the fight” and choose your armor, you must know your adversary, their strengths as well as their weaknesses.

Thank-you Bill for putting yourself out on a limb for this dialogue.

Only the future will tell if this has been truly useful or not.


NOW, I have a question:

If this experiment started one million years ago, how many times have they gotten to a certain point (like now) and practically wiped the table clear because of their calculation errors (such as over population, leaked tech, other factors that have rendered their experiment uncontrollable)?

That is to say, according to our present understanding of earth changing events (btw, do they control these, too?), our planet has hit the “reset” button numerous times in these past one million years. Are they participant in these events? Were these factors calculated in the formula for DNA modulation/selection? Were these eventa "set-backs" for their experiment or quantum leaps?

I'd like to know what they would reply to this question.

Peace and Good Will to all!

[kinsuemei2]

I believe Bill said he was not sure what Charles was talking about on the moon, the Arthur C Clarke topic that was raised has me theorizing that it is possibly the monolith information, but really unless Charles elaborates then we have no idea at all lol

[bashi]

Posted by kinsuemei2 (here)
I believe Bill said he was not sure what Charles was talking about on the moon

This i must have missed. Please point to the minutes/seconds in the interview, because it was not within the vicinity of the moon topic

[Burke]

I had always considered that Clarke used the monolith on the moon as a metaphor for "ingenuity" and not necessarily a device or structure devoted to some purpose although it can easily been seen as that too.

We are given long moments during the first of the movie to determine what this thing is, as we watch primitive man first fear it, then get close to it and even touch it before scampering back off again out of a perceived "harms way". Man touching the unknown and getting over his fear of it in a sense. That's what it meant to me anyway. I am not surprised that there is such a thing, or whatever it is on the moon that was discovered by going there the first time.

Unfortunately, and all too often of the first things we do with such inspiration is to use it to find ways to have advantage over each other, much like the movie dictates when primitive man discovers that the bones of the dead can be used as weapons against enemies. A perversion of the monolith maybe?

[Rocky_Shorz]

well I stopped and bought the new Dan Brown book on the way home last night and laughed when I saw the 33...

is this why they have sent Charles as a spokesman because they don't want to answer the millions of questions and people chasing them out of curiosity...

Without the topic changing to turning off the TV I might not have bought it...

[Arrowwind]

I listened to this... It was a very bad interview, and not for lack of Bill trying. Bill had a hard time getting the guy to answer any questions and when he finally came around to spilling anything it was what we already knew... GMO foods as a design to depopulate the world..

Come on really? Although we know that potential reality of things going seriously amiss with GMO seed, and surely India knows all to well with many thousands dead from monsanto intervention into their agricultural paradigm, this is all he has to say in this first video?

Although they talked about how undeducated yet adept this Charles is in "making myterious things happen to people and situations" he lacked any eloquence in the English language. That he has gifts and talents but can't seem but to mumble in a
brogue that is almost indecipherable to the majority of English speaking humanity at times....really made me question his intelligence. One thing that intelligent people do whether formally educated or not is develop their skills in communication, especially ones who are involved in and around world affairs and having to interface with other highly intelligent individuals.

I would not trust this guy for one inch or one second to come clean with anything.. He says he does not care what happens to humanity... so why is is talking to Bill? and this is the question of most relevance, only for manipulation games I would say... He admitted that per the request of the 33 that "Bill had to be dealt with" .... and he also admitted that his way of dealing with people was also most often very sublime, very natural in effect to raise no questions... He also stated that he was a master of body language and that he could read Bill and therefore was willing to work with him... just what is this work?

On the other hand he might be ultimatley a phoney who has spent considerable time studying Rense.com and Icke... and making his statements of deception to the world.

Conniving he certainly is whatever the purpose.

If the "controllers" are interested only in DNA then why have they not just eliminated the population already? because there is more to the human existence than DNA. There is soul and the ability of soul to interface with a very specific DNA..and perhaps soul is involved in the process of DNA developement... something which they cannot control.

Out of all the billions here surely the "controllers" could find those who are most superior and annhilate the rest, yet they do not.. They merely torture us, posion us, put out fear agendas to make us confused, and ultimately, work most of the worlds population to death in slave labor like conditions.

Surely these controllers are not to dam intelligent if they even considered a nuclear answer..... as Charles said, "nuclear is off the table." There is plenty of evidence that nuclear has been on the planet before so surely they were aware of all the downsides of nuclear answers for control, destabilization and population control. But what kind of intelligence would have even considered it in the first place once it was known what damage the nuclear thing really is to humanity and the planet and all its life forms.. in this time cycle that we currently dwell in it was clearly seen with Japan, yet they persued.... Vedic literature shows the nuclear holocost... if these 33 type controllers have been around forever they should have known.

Humanity has developed beyond fodder for DNA experiments. Although we may still be susceptible to experimentation such work will damage and alter the course of all existence because every soul has an impact on creation and this is their difficulty I think.

These controllers are of a lessor intelligence, as they have no heart and therefore are not fully human... and as Icke says reptilian in nature is most likely. Mind without heart cannot comprehend the universe and they know not what they do. The potential superior race will always be one that is capable of heart and love combined with the powers of the higher centers....the holding of this potential is what they fear.

And another of their fears I could only assume is that we should wish to destroy them for their lack of capacity for love and certainly, humanity is willing to kill to distroy that which is incapable of love... we have demonstrated this many times as individuals and as nations... their game is to keep us perpetually confused so that they can continue on in their existence and their own genetic replication.

That these guys are interested in outcomes millions of years down the road, well, Bill, you act like that is big news, but it is not.. we clearly see this in the history that is not taught in schools. When more people wake up to this history, these forces can be put down. The bible was an attempt to teach us but the bible has been ruined in fact by them, so we can no longer see what the truth was in it that we were suppose to see. We allow them to keep us asleep, not becasue our hearts are not open but becasue our other centers of perception are still closed for most of the population... hence we have fluoride in our drinking water, mercury poisoning, prolific cancers, lead poisoning and vaccinations that damage us in to the inability to keep even our hearts open, never mind our higher intelligence, all done willingly by mostly our own hands. We are becoming too immersed in the mere survival of our physicality on a grand scale. You need to understand how these condtions distract and damage us as a culture and as individuals.

It is imperative that truth continue to be taught, and in thanks to people like you, Bill, and it is now being taught, like never before. People are awakening to what is really happening

[Faunus]

Posted by physicistatwork (here)
The very first question that comes to my mind after listening to the interview is : Has anyone tried to imagine what sort of disruption would be caused by the vanishing of 3/4 of the world population? This would affect every single survivor, including the "33 blood lines", in a drasticaly tragic way. Only fools would even consider such a way to solve the world',s population problem. In this sense I am in total accordance with Bill that there are other ways to solve the problem, and more, there are better ways.
My second question which has been "bugging" me for quite a while is to do with the increase in population. Taking for granted that we are spiritual eternal beings(in some time context which I won't go into here) I cannot find a way of reconciling the increase of the world population with the idea of reincarnation? The "numbers should remain fixed"(using a mathematical term). They do not! So where or what is this "soul factory"?
The third and last question for now, concerns the "33". Having so much "inside knowledge" they should also know that their life on earth is limited and that as spiritual beings, their "hunger for control" will stop sometime in a following reincarnation. Why bother then? Does this power carry on from reincarnation to reincarnation?
Bets regards and admiration to you Bill

Not all souls are incarnated at once. Only the most adventurous ones would dare to incarnate on Earth in these times...

Nobody with awareness of the whole picture would willingly abuse another being, because they're really abusing themselves. The fact that they rule by secrecy and exploitation is enough proof that they are lacking something that they imagine we can provide. I wonder what this long genetics project is really about, and I also wonder if they have a racial bias in their population reduction schemes if the supposed reason is to protect the planet. It looks to me like they are pretty indiscriminate since every race is being targeted in one way or the other. That leads me to believe they're not really racist, even though they play that card, but rather interested in manipulating the "soul group" behind our genetic diversity, perhaps who Alex Collier refers to as the Paa Tal. If the 33 are decendants of the Alpha Draconians (or influenced by their paradigm) they could be responsible for altering our genetics in the far past, and wanting to see the results of that tinkering. Based on Charles saying that they're in this for a really long term DNA experiment, and Alex Collier saying that the Alpha Draconians are master geneticists that view lifeforms as a natural resource, that does resonate with the paradigm that the 33 seems to have. They have also clearly wanted to repress our emotions, because emotions are the keys to unlocking dormant DNA and they don't want us to challenge their dominion over us. This could be the culmination of a very ancient battle between two soul groups of diametrically opposite philosophies. According to the andromedans "they" came here from another universe (perhaps dumped here?) and were possibly the remains of an experiment that went out of hand. Maybe they escaped here as their home universe ended its experiment? Who knows. This may be far bigger than any of us can imagine.

Here are some background to consider:

The Alpha Draconians, a reptilian race composed of master geneticists, tinker with life - which from their perspective exists as a natural resource. The Draconians look at lifeforms which they have created or altered as a natural resource. Apparently, the Alpha Draconians created the primate race, which was first brought to Mars and then to Earth. The primate race was then tinkered with by many other different races - 21 other races - resulting in the primate race having been modified 22 times. This primate race eventually became Homo Sapien Sapiens. - who we are on a physical level. Yes, we used to have 12 strands of DNA. Ten strands were taken out by a group from Orion in order to control us and hold us back. Why would they want to hold us back?

The reason the Orion group wanted to hold us back was because they found out who we were on a soul level. Again, according to the Andromedans, we humans are part of a group of energies that they know of as the Paa Tal. The reason that the Andromedans use the word Paa Tal, which is by the way a Draconian word, is because the Draconians have legends about warring with a race that was creating human life forms that were opposed to Draconian philosophy. The Paa Tal created life forms that could evolve on their own, with free expression. The Draconians, on the other hand, created races to function as a natural resource for their pleasure. So, you have two very different philosophies.

Well, how the Orion group found out who we were was through our extreme span of emotions. We are very very different than all the other races.

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Posted by kinsuemei2 (here)
I believe Bill said he was not sure what Charles was talking about on the moon, the Arthur C Clarke topic that was raised has me theorizing that it is possibly the monolith information, but really unless Charles elaborates then we have no idea at all lol

At 1:46:00 Charles starts talking about the piece on the moon.
He finishes asking:"You see what i am saying, don't you?"
Bill:"Yes, i do!"

My question to you, kin:"Do you know what you are talking about?"

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