THE RULERS OF THE WORLD: a new Project Avalon video interview

[Kerry Cassidy]

January 6, 2010 blog post

DARK LORDS

Given that this interview was a sort of man in the street conversation that does not address some of the deeper issues raised... I feel one statement in particular needs to be addressed.

"'Charles has explained that the extraterrestrial race who initiated this project are letting everything unfold with a philosophy of non-interference." This statement is at the beginning of Bill Ryan's interview with Charles (not his real name) an assassin who was sent to kill Bill or "deal with" him who changed his mind and has since become a sort of representative of what he calls the 33 people who rule the world at least as far as in conducting this dialog with the so-called alternative community. I feel we need to look closer at the above statement.


First of all, the statement is purposely vague. Who "initiated this project" meaning the human race 'project'? A huge question. And I cannot begin to answer it here. Nor do I have all the information. At the moment, I don't know, whether the 33 who call themselves the 'rulers of this Earth' are even aware of the true beginnings of humanity. I do know that there is evidence that the human experiment had more than one beginning on this planet. And was wiped out and restarted several times. Possibly by different ET races. And that it may have started on other planets. I also know that the version of human currently on this planet is a mixture of many genetic experiments (interference) by many ET races. Not the least was what Sitchin referred to as the Anunnaki.


For the best overview of the various experimentations that have taken place on this planet with regard to humanity the Voyager series by Ashayana Deane seems to have the most detailed information. At this point, however, we have a problem. Given that many of us are in touch with various ET races, some through channeling, some through face to face dialog and some through other means such as electronic downloads etc. One may assume that unless the 33 we are talking about here are not human but representatives of the ETs, that they too, are interacting with various ET races in the same ways. Maybe face to face mostly? At that point, assuming they are human and not ET then one must assume they are dealing with at least one race of ETs face to face (more or less) or more. So it comes as a given that they (the 33) are in dialog with and working with the dark, service to self ETs. Why? Because they themselves are, obviously, as seen by the way they run this world, dark. It is expressly clear they aren't listening to the "light side" or the results here on planet Earth would be manifestly different.


However, the problem is we don't know what it is the so-called 33 know and what they don't know. We can however estimate at the very least their understanding of where humanity started goes back to the deep Abzu and the altering of our DNA to limit our development by the Anunnaki. The apparent idea being that we developed so rapidly that we were going to out-populate and evolve beyond the Anunnaki themselves and therefore they would lose power over the humans.. so they dumbed them down. This at least can be understood and the evidence is clear... Our mis-named 'junk' DNA being an indicator of this.


However, in dealing with the interview by Bill Ryan one has to look at the above statement and then give the ET race alluded to in that statement, a name and a face. Needless to say, the statement was too general. But taking it at face value we can make a few basic points. If we assume, the ET race being referred to is those designated as the Anunnaki then we at least have a starting point.


So we need to figure out who the 33 think 'started this experiment'. And whether, the 33 and by default us, are created in their image ie. whether the ET progenitor race used their own DNA to create us or whether they simply started the experiment using DNA from other races/species. I suggest we ask them what they think they know about this... unfortunately at this point, the answer is not forthcoming. Of course the question has been out there for millions of years plaguing humanity.... But I digress. ..

Assuming again, that this time around, the Anunnaki used their own DNA, then we have a Progenitor race and we are their descendants, as are, in theory the 33. But here again you get into more difficulty because the 33 are-- unless they are pure one ET race or another, made up of different strains of DNA just as all of us are.. Even if they are Reptilian and human. If they are human that is still a hybrid... and in regard to the Reptilian side we have, for example, the Reptilian-Anunnaki hybrids. So one cannot even make the statement that the ETs that started this experiment have a policy of non-interference. The evidence is to the contrary because if their current administrators (the 33) are still influenced by them, worship them (!) or follow them.. then by default they are still interfering if only through their descendents. However, we know that the 33 are influenced and we know they are most likely running things a certain way, by the evidence around us, money and bloodlines being their ticket in to their positions... and so on...

But, if I take the premise of the interview with Charles at face value that he is actually a representative of the 33 who really do 'rule the world'. Then what do we have? Well if I rule the world I have armies with black technology that includes free energy, interstellar space travel, bases on Mars and the moon, underground bases here on Earth that comprise whole cities if not nations... since I have all the money I am responsible for starvation, deprivation you name it...I allow it not only that I 'dictate' it and so on. When I say jump all these minions (and governments) in theory jump or I bring pressure to bear in one form or another sometimes in the guise of this man "Charles"....


So given this to be the case.... I am responsible therefore, for the secrecy going back decades, for the wars that are orchestrated by me and my minions, for the famine, the disease and the current state of the planet (not good)...because I have kept the technology and the heritage belonging to the human race secret from them.


I have for example free access to all the deep recesses in the Vatican Library where supposedly much of the truth in written form if it exists at all, resides. I made sure of this because whenever a new discovery was made or ancient text discovered I made sure to spirit it away into my catacombs without it falling into the hands of the masses. I have killed with impunity anyone who 'knew too much' or attempted to usurp my power... and so on.


These rulers are aware of and in charge of the decision made when the 2 ET races (one service to self and the other service to others) met with Eisenhower and we chose to do business with the negative ETs in exchange for technology and let the Greys (who work for the Nordics and Reptilians) continue abductions to create a grey-human hybrid among other things...


As rulers of the earth with black technology, etc presumably I have met with several ET races, my scientists work alongside several races and I am also instructing my military to shoot down the ships of ETs we are at war with.... etc.


So if this man Charles represents the 33... and they are indeed the rulers of this world...then they are dark, dark, power over others, service to self, magicians of the blackest of the black... in essence those known as Dark Lords.


And with this in mind, let's go back to the interview and see just how the questions and answers took place in this interview and see whether any of it makes any real sense. What will be clear from the outset is that so much is not asked, gone unchallenged and unanswered that the only suggestion I can make is that another interview be conducted and this time, prepare the questions for the Dark Lords you wish to address. Because, although we got some of Charles' personal back story we still have heard little of consequence and nothing new so far...


Oh, and by the way, word came back to me that the 33 were not happy with my prior statement. You should tell them that actually I am not at all happy with them either. In fact I am downright pissed-off about it...

You wanna talk? Let's talk.


Go to my previous post Fighting the Good Fight on January 2, 2010.

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[Celine]

As a friend so eloquently said..in another thread..

"we need new management"

Keep us posted please, if the Dark Lords decide to talk.. we all might have a few questions.

[bilko]

Posted by Fractalius (here)
Unfortunately, the making of laws to drive an idea in a direction still seems to be one of the ways this mess was created in the first place. Once you make one, you have to make another, and another. Perhaps described as a wheel of inertia.
What sort of future community is imagined? some families are/were large to have enough people to look after the elderly and to keep things running.
Some living creatures have many young, because their mortality rate is high.
Does a future community pay tax? If so who will work to pay taxes and support an aging population?
As with so many things, if the great majority were more in tune with the higher self than they are now, there would be less need for 'laws'.
Imagining such a completely new utopian paradigm does away with quite a few problems by default?
Discounting raised awareness and connection to higher self returns all the data, and problems?

If you are not religious and have no fervent belief in a maker then procreation is probably seen as the biggest or best reason for life. 9 out of 10 women on the street will tell you we are here to have babies whilst 9 out of 10 men on the street will tell you we are here to make babies.

As for laws, i would say that if this model of society is the one we are stuck with , we need enforcement not new or more laws.

I must admit that i am not a fan of Darwin but i do find it strange that mammals are the only species on earth ( correct me if i am wrong) that use laws to govern. Is it freedom of choice that instills the need for laws? Is it the ego, thinking that one is right and the other is wrong? Is it that we were tricked to live from the mind instead of the heart? Is it because of deactivated or not yet activated so called junk DNA?

Or have we been mislead?
Do we really need laws?
Have we been infused with fear, the sins of the father. Has someone led us to believe that we can't work together? in harmony.

I believe that man's natural state is love. Not luvvy duvvy fluffy stuff of movies but the most powerful force in the universe; even if we are using a different perspective fro love. Anything else is the thinking mind, a state of being without consciousness or awareness.

The thinking mind deals with limitations, that is it's primary role imo.
Sorry, i might be rambling, i'll stop.

[qbeac]

Hi everyone, this post is my reply to this other post from Globetrotter originally posted in the thread “Q&A to Bill”:

Posted by Globetrotter (here)
Excerpts from Globetrotter’s post (boldface and underline added):

Greetings, all.

I just joined this forum, although I've been following Bill and Kerry's work for years, and this is my first post. I have several thoughts floating around in my head and I'll see if I can nail them down.

First of all, the Charles material. I very much enjoy Bill's interviewing style. He is extremely focused and attentive, doesn't leap ahead of the thread to make points of his own (thereby losing the opportunity to pin down his subject or make followup questions when necessary), knows the interviewee and his/her material is the point of the interview, as opposed to the interviewer, and he knows how to turn on the charm to draw out his subject. Great empathy skills and a sharp, discerning mind.

Having said that, my impression in this interview is that Bill is still trying to stay in Charles' good graces and is unsure of his footing when approaching sensitive (to Charles) subjects………

(…)

But what Charles and his lot are saying has nothing to do with that. As others have pointed out in some of the previous posts of the last 52 pages (and no, I haven't read them ALL), these people are essentially planning to cull, or in less polite terms, commit a selective genocide, of the human race. These people and their bloodline ancestors have been consciously attempting, with quite some success, it would appear (e.g. 2% control 98% of the wealth) to manipulate the outcome of our collective history for the past half million years (to pull a number out of the air) and dominate "the rest of us."

ANY alternative approach to what these people are proposing for us, that of making sure we all (or most of us, or even some of us) get out of here alive and ensuring that humanity and the planet survive, would NEVER be broached within this group of 33, or 427, or whatever, and for obvious reasons. Charles is being disingenuous when he says that any approach is potentially on the table, and that you, Bill, for example, at the back of the room would have 20 seconds to make your point, and if it made sense, it would be discussed rationally.

(…)

I'm afraid that with this lot inbred individual and group self-interest trump any attempt at collaboration. These people have been at this game for a long time. They are trapped in the illusion of separation, in the dualistic trap of us and them, and cannot fathom, from their plantation terraces, the possibility that those slaves out there in the fields are also Them.

You had an opportunity to challenge Charles on his condescending "well, we don't rule anything out, your opinions would be welcome also" answer to your question about whether the 33 are open to alternatives. They are not. No matter how rough the going gets, they have their interests (staying at the top of the heap, controlling the rest of us, and shepherding their brave new world to survival and safety), and the rest be damned. Sure, all time-lines are open. All options are supposedly on the table, nothing is written in stone. There are no fixed dates by which this or that must be accomplished. But what rules them, and has ruled them always, is fear. And Charles acknowledges this.

And what motivates us, those of us on this forum, is love, and a willingness to reach out to one other, and trust in our highest vision we have for ourselves, with the conviction that just maybe we can all make it, if we evolve fast enough and can influence world events from our heart center, as individuals and as a growing multi-million monkey morphic field.

Whew, what a rant.

But do you see my point? I know you want to draw him out. I know you want to get as much information out of him and don't want to spook him (am I right on this?). And I know YOU know this guy is damaged goods and you don't want to play hardball with someone like that.

But let's draw some lines in the sand, shall we? Let's make some hard distinctions, and wipe some of the pseudo-philanthropic we're-just-doing-this-for-the-common-good, better-to-kill-30-to-save-300 BS that Charles is peddling.

They've killed billions over the eons. That's not the point. Charles is playing you, Bill. He has more than one agenda, and kicking them in the balls is far from being the main one. You know this, I'm sure. They, the 33, they know who he is. They have his voice-print. The face away from the camera is a ruse. I'm inclined to believe that Charles is a Trojan horse, and that his intentions are much darker than he makes them out to be.

These people play for keeps. Winner takes all. The question is, how do you stay in the game, get another interview (and no, now that you're playing their game, or appear to be doing so, you won't be harmed; this is a work in process) and still be true to all of your convictions, and reveal this charade for what it is?

Thank you for letting me go for so long. I'd appreciate your take on this.

Globetrotter, welcome to the forum.

And about your first post, in one word, brilliant!!!

Later on I’d like to add some additional comments about your post, but for right now and briefly, just a few thoughts that come to my mind, or more precisely, questions for all of us to reflect upon:

Do Trojan horses deserve unconditional love too? Are they in essence spiritual and immortal beings like us? Do we (us and them) all come from the same Source (God, Creator, or any other name you prefer)? Do they have a soul? Are they our brothers/sisters in spirit? (*1)

(Note *1: Considering all that strange stuff about Artificial Intelligence (AI and/or clones, hybrids, etc.), I don’t know what to think anymore because I don’t know it all. We don’t even know who or what the 33 or their overlords may be, or if they are human or non-human, aliens, ETs, AI, etc., and this would be a longer debate in itself, but I think I am asking legitimate questions).

In case they were our brothers/sisters in spirit, should we abandon our brothers/sisters? Should we pay them “wrong for wrong”? Should we turn our backs on them even if they have heart us, and even heart us badly?

I don’t know about you all, and some of you may think I am naïve, but I do believe in unconditional love (a Love so “incredible” and magnificent that our limited human brains and hearts cannot fully comprehend it… yet), and my personal answer to the last question is NO.

Should we forgive them? Will God forgive them?

Let alone Karma considerations and Universal Laws (which I don’t fully understand nor am qualified to judge), I believe that, ultimately, the answer to the last two questions is YES.

(Note: And may God help us to get to that point if we are not there yet, but I’ve seen some very incredible things in this 3D life already).

Globetrotter, with a few minor exceptions and details, which I’ll comment on later (For instance, I would not make statements with total certainty because we don’t know the future nor the free will choices others will choose to make) I pretty much agree with your post (see my quotations above) and with the impressions you’ve got by listening to this interview, even though we may be wrong (or not). And I would personally looooooove to be wrong this time. I wish I were!

Also, since we don’t know all the facts (Bill knows much more than we do), let’s wait and be patient and don’t jump to conclusions.

At the same time, we should not act foolishly or irresponsibly either, nor lower our guard, because there could be deadlines (2012?) that cannot be overcome. And as I already explained in previous posts (For more details, see posts: Post 504, Post 451, Post 459), one possibility we should not rule out is that they (33) might be attempting to ambush society just like prehistoric men would ambush a herd of buffalo to make them blindly run and fall off a cliff, and that their strategy consists in doing all they can so that society keeps on sleeping while they keep buying time till the right moment (2012…?) when they can pull off their plans.

That being said and those warnings being given, at the same time I also fully support Bill Ryan in his noble intentions.

So, in summary, definitely yes, let’s be totally predictable (like Charles said), let’s give love a chance.

They may take away our lives, but they'll never take our freedom [to love and to forgive]!
(Braveheart V. 2.0)

[Ixopoborn]

Posted by Kerry Cassidy (here)
... What will be clear from the outset is that so much is not asked, gone unchallenged and unanswered that the only suggestion I can make is that another interview be conducted and this time, prepare the questions for the Dark Lords you wish to address. Because, although we got some of Charles' personal back story we still have heard little of consequence and nothing new so far...

.... You wanna talk? Let's talk.

I wanted to focus on these two snippets of Kerry's good post earlier today. Yes, huge questions were omitted and many statements were left unchallenged by Bill in this interview. Nonetheless, Bill ran a very good interview in my sincere opinion. Maybe Charles could have been drawn in any number of directions had Bill tried but then maybe not.

Thanks to little in the way of interruptions, Charles revealed to us as clear as day that his last job really was for the 33. Not being in a position yet where I can devote all my time to this subject matter, this by itself was pure treasure for me and my personal mission to understand and help this situation along to a good conclusion.

So yes, I agree there were quite a number of flaws and hesitations but nothing worthy of note when measured against the fact that Bill brought home the most valuable treasure. I have said in a previous post on this thread that I look forward to the next interview with Charles but now get the impression that this is unlikely. Clearly, Charles knows tons more information which would be of benefit to us.

Sadly, it seems the 33 have had enough of the talk at this point.

[jcocks]

Posted by bilko (here)
Can we say then that in the absence of fear the 33 feel that their actions are done out of love?

No - they're done out of rationality... They're not "evil deeds" - they're actions that they see as needing to be done for the continuation of the species... And they're not done for "the greater good" either - that would imply a level of emotion in what they do that I don't believe is there. Emotion would just get in the way when you're dealing with decisions that involve BILLIONS of people. How do you do what is best for the planet keeping the needs and wishes of so many in mind? You can't. So you don't. If billions have to die, so be it. They may not be comfortable with that all the time (though I believe they would be beyond being uncomfortable with their decisions), but it has to be done - in their eyes - or humanity won't survive and thrive. I'm not saying they're right in what they do - just that I'm beginning to see how they would make these decisions, and that no level of emotion comes into the process at all - because, as I said before, they would just get in the way of effective decision-making at this level

[Celine]

Posted by Ixopoborn (here)
Sadly, it seems the 33 have had enough of the talk at this point.

Good it's our turn now.

[Merkaba360]

Yea, no kidding kerry. They don't care if we are unhappy, but we better make sure not to upset the masters. Sigh.

And how do we know they arent getting their info from ET's who are lying their butt off or are just plain wrong. Highly advanced egotistical ET's can still not have a clue about many things.

Why are we going to liars for answers?! Why don't we just go kindly ask the buddhas who transcend time. Do we really want to know and end the drama? Or are we junkies just as involved with playing the games.

Maybe we could have a group avalon meditation to manifest the answer to a given question.

[Merkaba360]

We are predictable?

Everything they say sounds like a machine ! Charles is himself and can't be any other way. lol He wants to believe that to justify not changing. Most humans are too weak and lazy to change, so they pretend that its just fate. Destiny and free will is a paradox, neither is correct !!

We create ourselves new every moment, even if thats almost exactly like the moment before , its still new.

He's right, there is no other answer than killing many people, given that the elite are slaves to their addictions and positions. I got an amazing argument! Give up all your greed and release an energy into the world that will bring pure ecstasy for all. The excitement of a new fair world will be worth it. But they are too stupid to realize giving brings bigger rewards. giving is receiving.

I feel for them. They are stuck in the mind. All their 10000000000000 years of data is all mind, and therefore limited and distorted.

[Carmody]

Kerry, I'm sure you realize that the interview was done the way it was..due to nothing substantial ever appearing in it, intentionally, on Charles' part?

IMO, that much is obvious?

I'm about as sure as I can be,.that within about 10 minutes of it's start ...I knew that nothing much more than introduction and the odd tidbit would take place. Bill was and is in an awkward position.

From what I could see, Charles and Bill both handled their parts about as well as could be expected.

[gripreaper]

Eli and Enkil are sitting around the campfire 200,000 years ago, and Michael Tellinger isn't even a thought in their minds, and Eli turns to Enkil and says: You know, I'm tired of having to clone these gold miners all the time, it's such a pain in the ass. I'm going to put the reproductive DNA in them and let them breed themselves... And Eli turns to him and says, hey brother, don't do that. If you do they will get out of control and one day we are going to have to deal with the problem. Enkil does it anyway and Eli has been pissed ever since.

OOPS! guess what, that day has arrived and the brothers have been in cahoots ever since! Do you think Eli can turn to Enkil now and say, SEE, I told ya so!

[Chuck]

Dear Friends, I have been a daily lurker of this forum for over a year… I must say that I have developed a crush on you all! Heart felt thanks to Bill and Kerry for a fine collection of work, and indeed to all of you for your passionate contributions.

It is my conviction that we are all connected and are simply living out our individual dreams in dense diversity. My fondness to all of you may have gone “unnoticed” or unfelt unless I registered and write these words. Nevertheless, the good will was and is there for your use whether you knew/know it or not. ( good will is an energy for you the recipient to accept and utilize for health, inspiration, prosperity or in any fashion you desire). Just as is the good will of the 100s of other lurkers. Some will say, ‘well all lurkers are not as benevolent’… I will say that ALL energy, ANY interest in your community can be used by you to help create your desired outcome or purposeful good. Energy can be changed/morphed before coming into your sphere of influence.

What has this got to do with Charles and the alleged “high priests of 33” (whether it’s them or any other controlling group who IS on top of the pyramid)? Quite frankly, everything.

Let’s begin with admitting that we are all here because we chose (on some level) to be here. Not a long stretch for you reading this to do so. In other words, on some level of integrated consciousness… of wholeness, you decided for the shear delight of greater potentials to immerse your beautiful, sovereign being into… fodder. Lol Yes, we all wanted to participate in this grand play of Tyranny vs Victimization because the lessons of power are prerequisite to knowing love and ultimately to becoming creator gods. Our tyranny is a matter of scale and so is our victimization. Because of our connectedness in this holographic field, it only takes 1 to reach the pinnacle of tyranny… to be the top dog. And to that top dog we ALL owe our gratitude!! No easy task to do so. If you’ve ever felt separate from every one else, if you’ve ever felt fear, if you’ve ever felt alone… then multiply that by a million times and you’ll get the sense of that soul in complete isolation and despair. The only atonement is the fleeting satisfaction of incremental sense of control substituted as influence in this illusion called human drama. We all share in each other’s attainments/accomplishments in consciousness.

What, in your opinion, would be my friends, the most important lesson for a blossoming creator god to learn? Ponder this for a minute. Would it be taking responsibility for your choices, thinking for yourself, not giving your power away, stop looking for someone to look after you? And what if I told you that if it took you 10,000 years to learn it would you still subject yourself to the lesson? How about a million years? Would it still be worth it? I’m not a betting man, but my money says you would! Moreover, what if I told you that there would be many, many layers of tyrants so overwhelming, so willing to control your every thought, action and deed while you live in miserable circumstances… would you still immerse in the lesson? Hahahahaha! Where angels fear to tread!!

Ok so here you are facing the council of 33… those nasty tyrants (who we all put there) are in a way at this 11th hour disclosing that they are here, and all those things we suspected they were up to are in fact what they are doing. Friends, this is our moment of graduation… of our greatest baptism. For it is because of their tyranny that we have learned those greatest of lessons. Yes we made choices and blamed them, we let them do our thinking for us, we gave our power away to them, we wanted someone (or government) to look after us. Very hard lessons!! Like John White has suggested in post#450 in Q&A, we can now say STOP! It is finished. We have learned our lesson. Take your ball and go home. Just as I relinquish my tyranny at home and office so you will do the same. I thank you for your part that you played in this game but it is now over. You and all of your co-conspirators can pack up and leave without any retaliation on our part. In fact if you do so while providing your counsel for a new constitution of this planet safe guarding any future generations from tyrannical ambitions such as yours (because no one knows it as well as you do) you will have provided a service to humanity so large that we will forever be grateful to you for thousands of years to come. We might even name a school in your honour!

If you do not do this, having disclosed who you are (in round about ways) and disclosed your intentions of culling the herd against the will of the herd, then the karmic laws will most assuredly be ruthless in handing out justice. Your choice chief…

Meanwhile, Chuck raises a glass of his finest red wine in honour of his cyber friends… knowing that freedom is within reach…clink, glug glug

[Scott]

Posted by Chuck (here)
Dear Friends, I have been a daily lurker of this forum for over a year… I must say that I have developed a crush on you all! Heart felt thanks to Bill and Kerry for a fine collection of work, and indeed to all of you for your passionate contributions.

It is my conviction that we are all connected and are simply living out our individual dreams in dense diversity. My fondness to all of you may have gone “unnoticed” or unfelt unless I registered and write these words. Nevertheless, the good will was and is there for your use whether you knew/know it or not. ( good will is an energy for you the recipient to accept and utilize for health, inspiration, prosperity or in any fashion you desire). Just as is the good will of the 100s of other lurkers. Some will say, ‘well all lurkers are not as benevolent’… I will say that ALL energy, ANY interest in your community can be used by you to help create your desired outcome or purposeful good. Energy can be changed/morphed before coming into your sphere of influence.

What has this got to do with Charles and the alleged “high priests of 33” (whether it’s them or any other controlling group who IS on top of the pyramid)? Quite frankly, everything.

Let’s begin with admitting that we are all here because we chose (on some level) to be here. Not a long stretch for you reading this to do so. In other words, on some level of integrated consciousness… of wholeness, you decided for the shear delight of greater potentials to immerse your beautiful, sovereign being into… fodder. Lol Yes, we all wanted to participate in this grand play of Tyranny vs Victimization because the lessons of power are prerequisite to knowing love and ultimately to becoming creator gods. Our tyranny is a matter of scale and so is our victimization. Because of our connectedness in this holographic field, it only takes 1 to reach the pinnacle of tyranny… to be the top dog. And to that top dog we ALL owe our gratitude!! No easy task to do so. If you’ve ever felt separate from every one else, if you’ve ever felt fear, if you’ve ever felt alone… then multiply that by a million times and you’ll get the sense of that soul in complete isolation and despair. The only atonement is the fleeting satisfaction of incremental sense of control substituted as influence in this illusion called human drama. We all share in each other’s attainments/accomplishments in consciousness.

What, in your opinion, would be my friends, the most important lesson for a blossoming creator god to learn? Ponder this for a minute. Would it be taking responsibility for your choices, thinking for yourself, not giving your power away, stop looking for someone to look after you? And what if I told you that if it took you 10,000 years to learn it would you still subject yourself to the lesson? How about a million years? Would it still be worth it? I’m not a betting man, but my money says you would! Moreover, what if I told you that there would be many, many layers of tyrants so overwhelming, so willing to control your every thought, action and deed while you live in miserable circumstances… would you still immerse in the lesson? Hahahahaha! Where angels fear to tread!!

Ok so here you are facing the council of 33… those nasty tyrants (who we all put there) are in a way at this 11th hour disclosing that they are here, and all those things we suspected they were up to are in fact what they are doing. Friends, this is our moment of graduation… of our greatest baptism. For it is because of their tyranny that we have learned those greatest of lessons. Yes we made choices and blamed them, we let them do our thinking for us, we gave our power away to them, we wanted someone (or government) to look after us. Very hard lessons!! Like John White has suggested in post#450 in Q&A, we can now say STOP! It is finished. We have learned our lesson. Take your ball and go home. Just as I relinquish my tyranny at home and office so you will do the same. I thank you for your part that you played in this game but it is now over. You and all of your co-conspirators can pack up and leave without any retaliation on our part. In fact if you do so while providing your counsel for a new constitution of this planet safe guarding any future generations from tyrannical ambitions such as yours (because no one knows it as well as you do) you will have provided a service to humanity so large that we will forever be grateful to you for thousands of years to come. We might even name a school in your honour!

If you do not do this, having disclosed who you are (in round about ways) and disclosed your intentions of culling the herd against the will of the herd, then the karmic laws will most assuredly be ruthless in handing out justice. Your choice chief…

Meanwhile, Chuck raises a glass of his finest red wine in honour of his cyber friends… knowing that freedom is within reach…clink, glug glug

That was brilliant, its nice to see thought going into a post.
I salute you.

[Scott]

Posted by gripreaper (here)
Eli and Enkil are sitting around the campfire 200,000 years ago, and Michael Tellinger isn't even a thought in their minds, and Eli turns to Enkil and says: You know, I'm tired of having to clone these gold miners all the time, it's such a pain in the ass. I'm going to put the reproductive DNA in them and let them breed themselves... And Eli turns to him and says, hey brother, don't do that. If you do they will get out of control and one day we are going to have to deal with the problem. Enkil does it anyway and Eli has been pissed ever since.

OOPS! guess what, that day has arrived and the brothers have been in cahoots ever since! Do you think Eli can turn to Enkil now and say, SEE, I told ya so!

Ninhursaag says " Thank Anu, I was tired of all the effort anyway"
Anu says "I'm with Enlil on this one"

[astrid]

Chuck very well said, indeed.


I take it Chuck is short for Charles.....

[l_e_cox]

This is a very important interview.

It makes the situation much more real. It clearly indicates that the people "Charles" is working for have a preference for intelligent criminals and that their modus operandi is basically criminal. To me, it emphasizes the point I have been trying to make since I started posting to forums: That society needs a much better social technology for dealing with criminal activities on the planet.

[Adrift]

At some point we seem to have reached a collective decision that the Georgia Guidestones "500,000,000" figure is the population ceiling the insider group might be aiming for, although there was little of concrete evidence in the video interview or subsequent message that confirms this to be true. We have nothing to link them with the unknown person(s) who commissioned the structure in the first place.

But assuming that this is so (and noting that the depopulation warning formed a small part of the overall interview, apologies for dwelling on this single issue), are we to understand that the half-billion that would remain, after a deliberately instigated global genocide, would be made up predominantly from the ranks of the 33 (and extended "relevant" 427 bloodlines - see 39:40 in)? With perhaps a smaller contingent of "non-relevant" blood-liners who had met the curious wealth-creating criteria that appears to be significant, and had been 'recruited' into the ranks (what sort of ratios are we talking about)? Would this half-billion all be sequestered down into the underground bases to wait it out?

I ask because if they're approaching this from a Darwinistic angle, it's my impression that they are attempting to identify "non-relevant" blood-liners of interest ahead-of-time, before the collapse, so that they can be brought on-board and ferreted away to safety in advance of any threat. When Bill proposed his Equadorian farm/community idea, Charles suggested that any non-combatants would probably be left alone, but it seemed to me that he was saying that any remaining surface dwellers would be peripheral to ongoing plans.
If a small number of people were able to 'weather the storm' and scratch a meagre living, good luck to them, but they wouldn't be considered part of the pool of survivors from which subsequent generations would be drawn for "Human Race Version 2.0", or at most a sideline curiosity. After all, it would be risky to bring about a global food crisis, then sit back and hope enough of the the smartest/fastest/hardiest would see it through to create a sustainable new population.

How would they prevent any future "over population" if they've not been able to do so in the past?

With regards to preserving "optimum" genome specimens, what of recessive genes? What about the unpredictable nature of inter-mingling genetic material from parents with known traits? I've met brilliant individuals who hailed from very unassuming backgrounds where neither parent was academically 'gifted' - "the first of my family to attend university" types - and so on. How can you have any certainty that your champions of today won't breed a class of chumps tomorrow?

And what's the end game anyway? What would be the purpose of continuous DNA tweaking (in whatever direction they seem to think worthwhile)? It can't just be a perpetual loop, a purpose unto itself, that would be senseless. So where are they taking us, what is it for?

Charles said that UFO crashes from the 50s onwards were the result of Earth-origin action (directed RADAR), but that the consequences hadn't been forseen, and that the recovered technology was of a level not previously available. He also said that the 33 had been aware of esoteric "information" for "thousands" of years, but did not say that they had had advanced devices or practical equipment for the same duration. So if ET technology has only been available to them for the past 60 years, they can't be off-world? Or not any time recently, anyway - but also that, until very recently - they weren't well ahead of what we understand to be the 'cutting edge'.

[norman]

Posted by Adrift (here)

Charles said that UFO crashes from the 50s onwards were the result of Earth-origin action (directed RADAR), but that the consequences hadn't been forseen, and that the recovered technology was of a level not previously available. He also said that the 33 had been aware of esoteric "information" for "thousands" of years, but did not say that they had had advanced devices or practical equipment for the same duration. So if ET technology has only been available to them for the past 60 years, they can't be off-world? Or not any time recently, anyway - but also that, until very recently - they weren't well ahead of what we understand to be the 'cutting edge'.

I'm having difficulty too with the idea that the ET technology was unexpected. I can understand that the ETs who started all this Human project off were not sharing their technology with even the top dog humans but there are allegedly ancient technologies that humans once possessed. If the top dog humans have now got fancy ET technology again and are ramping up their ambitions, while holding the rest of us back, I'd suspect that they are now rebelling against the ETs who's long term project this is.

I'm curious to know what those ETs intend to do about it. And, I'm curious to know what all the reports of space battles are really all about.

Could it be that the top dogs are under attack from the originator ETs and are trying to cook up a situation where we take the side of the rebels ( who are selfish tyrannical humans ) against the 'big bad' Aliens who are in fact the good guys trying to rebalanced the situation here that the delinquent top dogs have upset?

[plumr2007]

The interview with " Charles" was intriguing to say the least. At the end when he was explaining the part about overpopulation my ears perked up. He told you they were doing this for our own good. That all other avenues had been explored, yet any opposing view is given 20 seconds to reply to the plan. He then challenged you to come up with another solution. This is how Fox News here in the States operates. First of I think the answer is obvious. Their " solutions" are all based on monetary gain. They invented this " overpopulation" myth and then came up with a game plan that they could profit from financially. The problem , if there actually is one was created by Free Trade Agreements that limit the the food production in countrys . It has led to the overproduction of corn and the under production of more nutritious plants. It was once told to me that there is enough arable unused land in Texas to feed the entire US.. AS David Icke would say this is a Hegelian dialectic ( problem-reaction-solution) . They created the problem by endorsing Free Trade and now are trying to profit from its " solution". Be careful of this guy he may have watched one too many Guy Richie movies. Peace! PS This a repost from the Q&A thread . I thought it might fit here better.

[Sol Va]

Bashi, I coudn't agree with you more. The Economic hit man Perkins is
regarded with respect and is redeeming his conscience. Perhaps Charles
too has this opportunity now. Let's try to make it easy for him. We have
everything to gain.
And I have utmost confidence in Bill's ability to handle
the situation, for himself and his safety, for Charles chance to blossom,
and for us, whom he gives so many gifts.


(Bashi wrote:
i think we should resist to try to hammer Charles. Although he had done things in the past, which shifted him up the power structure, that should not make him a target. He has changed and put his life on the line to change our situation.
Who on this forum will risk his/her live for the cause?
In this way you can see Charles as some one who deserves more positive credit than many here.)