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    Quote Posted by Gaia (here)
    The system showed us obsolete values for years, to believe that the values that count are the physical beauty, money, success and it is in these values is happiness, while it can be found also in the most destitute. We all live in a ''system'' a big corporate company that has only one only true purpose, that we all follow the same path, that which is presented to us as being ideal, that is imposed on us each day: Eat, buy, consume, vote, believe in your freedom, your country and democracy, stick to television as a single source of information and now iOS technology with no more real live communication.

    Happiness is not in possession, there is no miracle recipe. My opinion is that we must stop behaving as victims shouting because we perpetuate this illusion that tends to make us believe that we have no power to change things and so we self packaged and handled by ourselves so we could use our energy to achieve something else. We were meant to live for so much more! We were meant to design... We have the responsability to design the type of life ( and world) that we want to live! That way all the manipulators will disappear by themselves...
    yes!!!! if we believe and behave like we can brake mountains which we can do then the manipulators will disappear in no time.

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    There is a branch of mathematics known as computability theory. This studies which solutions to problems or questions are computable and which aren't. Many -- in fact, most -- aren't. That's a proven fact. Unfortunately, it would seem that the individuals in the videos are unaware of this fact. They seem to -- falsely -- assume that a computer can simulate anything, any logically coherent state of affairs. But that assumption isn't a valid one.

    Also, two of the most famous discoveries of twentieth century mathematics were:
    (1) Tarski's undefinability theorem, which proves that most mathematical or logical concepts are, necessarily (in any possible universe), simply undefinable, i.e. impossible to ever define.
    (2) Godel's undecidabilty theorem, which proves that for the vast majority of ("well-formed", i.e.) meaningfully phrased assertions or propositions or statements in mathematics or logic, it's impossible (again, in any possible world) to either prove or disprove them, ever. In other words, it's impossible (even for God) to ever decide the answer to the question: "Is this true or false?"

    All these major discoveries prove that the whole realm of conceptual, logical thought is packed full of inbuilt self-limitations. But that is precisely the kind of thought to which computers are limited.

    So, even if the AIs run (supposedly) everything physically in 2050, they will remain forever doomed and confined to a narrow "prison" because they cannot transcend logical thought. We, on the other hand, will continue to have souls which are intrinsically infinite and which the AIs will never touch no matter what they try.

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    Yes, Trainee
    And we humans have within us the heart power centre. This cannot be replicated and provides an unlimited resource to the cycle/spiral of Life-force. Sure, this centre may currently be partially operational, but it is there and has the potential to awaken more fully. And with this awakening comes greater and greater understanding. All that is and can be. The getting of "Wisdom"...

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    The Matrix Trilogy Decoded by Mark Passio



    Published on 8 Dec 2012


    "The Matrix Trilogy Decoded" by Mark Passio was recorded on September 15, 2012.

    In this video Mark Passio breaks down the hidden meaning of the "The Matrix"
    movies. It would serve you better if you watched all three movies before and/or
    after watching this video.

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    Hey thanks Cidersomerset, as usual, very interesting Tread, posts, great of you to share!

    One observation, our senses coupled with emotions, intellect, and the immesurable spirit is part of what we are, when living these, do we feel it's an illusion? I would think not!

    Maybe we live in a fake illusion created by those in power (Financial Systems with ET help). From what we have seen from our fake Scientific World (hope I don't ripple feathers!), the Universe ain't an Illusion, but again, if our Scientific World is fake, the Universe most probably be Fake also. But it also means, that we (humans) are fake, and that ain't interesting!, then, what would be the purpose of being created, real slaves to harvest Earth!, this have been said over and over again here!

    Now, if we are illusion, where would one ''fit'' in Intelligence, and the Spirit? I think that it fit in a much grandeur scheme of things, and that is, to discover Unconditional Love! Is Unconditional Love illusion? When someone has it, he is a beam of light, and everyone around feel its vibration! Is it illusion, at least, it's a feeling!, is a feeling illusion, it ain't, went lived!

    Is the Universe Fake?, challenging Tread!

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    Default Re: Is our universe FAKE ? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation

    countless bla-bla posts debating about the same thing; read David Icke's works; he set's one straight and simplifies it all without "bla-bla"

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    Siblings,

    Can you put water, inside a cup, that doesn't exist ?
    Can you land a space craft on the 7th moon of Mars ?
    (Mars doesn't have 7 moons)
    Is it possible to put 'real' things inside illusory things ?

    We are real beings.
    Residing in real human bodies ?
    Living in an illusory universe ?
    Wait.. what ?

    I'm having a hard time making this add up.
    Can someone define 'fake' for me ?

    be happy :-)

    lucidity

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    Quote I'm having a hard time making this add up.
    Can someone define 'fake' for me ?

    be happy :-)

    lucidity
    This confused me for a while , until you look at atoms
    and that everything in the universe is made from them,
    so in fact we are all made from 'Star Dust', which is
    an old saying and I never thought much of it.

    Then there are the reports of greys coming thru walls
    and its to do with frequency shifts. The movie 'Men
    who stare at goats' was looking how the US were
    looking into some of these phenomenon , only
    they were sending General Stubblebine up satirically.

    I'm not explaining this very well , but in theory nothing
    is solid at the atomic level and some electrons can even
    be in two places at once, which leads into parallel
    universes and much more 'brain cell bashing '.


    iON | Electrons & Ions

    Bob Dobbs’ private session 211 with iON, 27 November 2009


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    Even smaller, In the quantum world! The Atoms family are actually invisible fields of energy, potentials that do not come together to form any type of coherence without CONSCIOUS OBSERVATION. Which means that physicality is an illusion altogether! One that is destroyed and recreated each moment! A physical world? Phooey!

    I had a dream once where I knocked on a large wooden door. It was thick, rotting, smelly, cold, damp,, and I had to knock really hard and it hurt!

    How did I touch, smell, feel,, this door? Are there Particles in my dreams? Lol... NO! Our consciousness MADE it real!

    In this physical world, we are learning that it is very much the same,, there are no such things as particles! Only conscious observation...

    merrily Merrily Merrily Merrily
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    Quote I had a dream once where I knocked on a large wooden door. It was thick, rotting, smelly, cold, damp,, and I had to knock really hard and it hurt!

    How did I touch, smell, feel,, this door? Are there Particles in my dreams? Lol... NO! Our consciousness MADE it real!
    Ion would say you are parallel worlding and in one sense we can actually travel to
    places in our dreams , and to feel , touch etc...I parrellel world or dream everynight..LOL

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    Quote I had a dream once where I knocked on a large wooden door. It was thick, rotting, smelly, cold, damp,, and I had to knock really hard and it hurt!

    How did I touch, smell, feel,, this door? Are there Particles in my dreams? Lol... NO! Our consciousness MADE it real!
    Ion would say you are parallel worlding and in one sense we can actually travel to
    places in our dreams , and to feel , touch etc...I parrellel world or dream everynight..LOL
    Which begs the question: Are we -parrellel worlding- right now?

    Jake
    Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. Yoda....

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    Quote Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)



    Quote I had a dream once where I knocked on a large wooden door. It was thick, rotting, smelly, cold, damp,, and I had to knock really hard and it hurt!

    How did I touch, smell, feel,, this door? Are there Particles in my dreams? Lol... NO! Our consciousness MADE it real!
    Ion would say you are parallel worlding and in one sense we can actually travel to
    places in our dreams , and to feel , touch etc...I parrellel world or dream everynight..LOL Which begs the question: Are we -parrellel worlding- right now?

    Jake
    That's a bit to much for my 'Quantum Brain cell ' ..... Then we are back to
    what is reality ?...LOL I'll ask Morpheus ...



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    Basically ascension is coming back to our power when our ' non -physical ' and
    physical combine and we can manifest matter in the physical or instantly travel
    somewhere . In the none - physical we do that naturally and connect to source
    and live in bliss, which is great but over eons becomes boring. This is why some
    of us descended into this plain and created this ever expanding reality . As there
    is no time , the size of the universe does not matter. Its in physical we experience
    all the emotions and the goal for some gods is to ascend and live for ever in a
    physical body as opposed to a light body. Or something like that , it a while since
    I last heard them discuss it. But whatever we are ? I definitely think we are more
    than the sum of these physical 'meatsack' bodies...LOL
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    Quote Can someone define 'fake' for me ?
    I like the question.

    as specks of consciousness we descended from "god mind". now it is time to retrace our path.

    ^ my take on our current "spiritual maturity".

    as we become 'more aware' on our path to "omniscient" (from whence we came") our cognitive grasp will evolve likewise.

    what we conceive atm as what "fake" means will change. we are in 3-d. we are getting ready to do the dimensional shift into at least 4-d. our comprehension of everything will change including our inference of what "fake" means. we will have at least one more dimensionality to our comprehension.

    we will hopefully continue to transform progressively and our cognition capacity will likewise transform likewise.

    what this question "Is our universe FAKE ?" means to us now will very likely not mean the same to us in our future.

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    Quote Posted by Cidersomerset (here)
    Quote I'm having a hard time making this add up.
    Can someone define 'fake' for me ?

    be happy :-)

    lucidity
    This confused me for a while , until you look at atoms
    and that everything in the universe is made from them,
    so in fact we are all made from 'Star Dust', which is
    an old saying and I never thought much of it.

    Then there are the reports of greys coming thru walls
    and its to do with frequency shifts. The movie 'Men
    who stare at goats' was looking how the US were
    looking into some of these phenomenon , only
    they were sending General Stubblebine up satirically.

    I'm not explaining this very well , but in theory nothing
    is solid at the atomic level and some electrons can even
    be in two places at once, which leads into parallel
    universes and much more 'brain cell bashing '.


    iON | Electrons & Ions

    Bob Dobbs’ private session 211 with iON, 27 November 2009


    My foot went through the stair, back in the late 1980’s. After form work, the Tai Chi teacher had us move to the stage which was three steps higher than the main floor.

    I stepped on the first step and tripped because my foot went through the stair about 4-6 inches deep. I tried to catch myself with the other foot up the next stair. I tripped again. The foot went through the second one only 2-3 inches. Then logic took over and I caught myself with my hands. It all happened so fast that there was no time only an unfolding of a movie.

    I learned (again) that when mind is suspended from the 3D beliefs, it opens one self to the greater possibility of the human experience.


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    Default Re: Is our universe FAKE ? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation

    what is real...
    "...electrical signals interpreted by the brain..."
    don't wish to get on the "bad" side of Morpheus, by questioning his statement
    but I would venture to say all cells in the body interpret signals (and perhaps the heart is the greatest interpreter).

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    The MATRIX movie appears to have borrowed heavily from the MATRIX Books (by Valdemar Valerian) - at least, by "coincidence", there are a lot of similarities

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    on the "what is fake defined as? question" and segueing off my post re multi dimensional cognition yielding different answers than 3-d dimensional cognition:

    galactic historian Andrew Bartzis has often stated as much. he believes that part of our life experience here on earth as spirit forms taking on a specific lifetime timeline of experiences is actually a chosen one he calls soul contracts. it's the school of hard knocks according to him. we can gain experiences in the brutal 3-d physicality that are unavailable to other ed's unless they reincarnate here. Tolec stated as much in his latest video with Ray from St. Louis hosted by Alfred Webre. Tolec's Andromeda head contact took Tolec to a rural farm in the 1800's to witness a devastating loss from fire so Tolec's contact from the Andromda council could read and thus vicariously thru Tolec realize loss of life's emotional impact that a higher dimensional that lives for 1000's of years without the death experience could never personally experience.


    so we got Tolec and Bartzis affirming that although our life experiences might be "orchestrated" the value from going thru these "matrix experiences" can be incredibly valuable life lessons that we take with us as spirits into future reincarnations.

    ^^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONp0ROaZX-4

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    Quote Posted by Gaia (here)
    We were meant to live for so much more! We were meant to design... We have the responsability to design the type of life ( and world) that we want to live! That way all the manipulators will disappear by themselves...
    It looks like we are able to change the computer program… if we just believe we can…

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    Define real.

    Define reality.

    Good luck with that.

    Gets right back to the idea of all is now on a 2D timeless field....history is sensation, recollection, artifact and artifice, it is all we 'measure' ..as scientists cannot measure 'now', no matter how they try. It cannot be done. all measurement is historical, all recollection, all memory, all act as reaction, is historical....there is no now, as everything contains a component of the now 'fulcrum 2d sheet pairing/moment'.

    And thus projection...... is future.

    It's a 2D timeless quantum field/sheet, all connected, where micro differential is the entire manifold system. Intelligence and information, no difference.

    It is not a simulacrum, in that sense, no. It simply is what is, in this space and place, in this view. since we all project reality, our future, from analysis of all that is history, in this giant 2D quantum differential sheet of now, what you believe is real, what you project is real. Due to coupling effects, some modicum of regularity is available, in the fabric of intelligence and in the geometry of angular vibrations and their couplings - that we call elements.

    Time, space, gravity, all easy concepts. etc. Remember how much energy is said occupies one light bulb sized volume of empty space. Enough to boil the earth's oceans. Infinitesimally small differentials in the 'atoms', or in this case, prima-matter, dark matter, and so on..... this defines space-time and gravity, atomic lattice structure, etc.

    We (our idea of reality) are a resonant bubble of dimensional leakage coming off the 2D dimensional dual vortex (in/out) fulcrum point in each atomic particle.

    This, of course, directly leads to the understanding that we are a mirror of ....an angle of...a sub resonance of...an uber/meta resonance of.... we are analogous to.......to......!..other dimensions, other energetic patterns.
    Again, reality is a differential, it is not a singular absolute. One vs other, all relative.

    No absolutes.

    This was just stated to be the situation:

    Perfectly accurate clocks turn out to be impossible

    Quote Can the passage of time be measured precisely, always and everywhere? The answer will upset many watchmakers. A team of physicists from the universities of Warsaw and Nottingham have just shown that when we are dealing with very large accelerations, no clock will actually be able to show the real passage of time, known as "proper time".

    The ideal clock is merely a convenient fiction, as theorists from the University of Warsaw (UW) and University of Nottingham (UN) have shown. In a study published in the journal Classical and Quantum Gravity they demonstrate that in systems moving with enormous accelerations, building a clock that would precisely measure the passage of time is impossible for fundamental reasons.

    "In both theories of relativity, special and general, it is tacitly assumed that it is always possible to construct an ideal clock - one that will accurately measure the time elapsed in the system, regardless of whether the system is at rest, moving at a uniform speed, or accelerating. It turns out, however, that when we talk about really fast accelerations, this postulate simply cannot apply," says Dr. Andrzej Dragan from the Faculty of Physics, University of Warsaw.

    The simplest clocks are unstable elementary particles, for example muons (particles with similar properties to electrons but 200 times more massive). Usually, muons decay into an electron, muon neutrino, and an electron antineutrino. By measuring the decay times and averaging the results for muons moving slowly and those moving at nearly the speed of light, we can observe the famous slowing down of the passage of time: the faster the muons are moving, the less likely the experimenter is to see them decay. Velocity therefore affects the clocks' observed tempo.

    What about acceleration? Experiments were performed at CERN in the late 1970s, measuring the decay time of muons undergoing circular motion accelerations even as great as billions of billions of times the acceleration of Earth's gravity (10^18 g). Such acceleration was found to have no impact on the disintegration times.

    The Polish-British group of theorists from the universities of Warsaw and Nottingham, on the other hand, were looking at the description of unstable particles moving in accelerating motion in a straight line. The key point for their analysis turned out to be a fascinating effect predicted in 1976 by the Canadian physicist William Unruh.

    "Contrary to intuition, the concept of a particle is not completely independent of the observer. We all know the Doppler Effect, for example, which causes a photon emitted by a moving source to appear bluer to an observer toward which the source is approaching, but redder to one it is receding from. The Unruh effect is somewhat similar, except that the results are more spectacular: in an certain area of space, a non-accelerating observer sees a quantum field vacuum, whereas an accelerating observer sees many particles," explains Dr. Dragan.

    The equation describing the Unruh effect says that the number of particles visible within a quantum field varies depending on the acceleration experienced by an observer: the greater the acceleration, the more of them there are. These non-inertial effects may be due to the movement of the observer, but their source can also be a gravitational field. Interestingly, the Unruh effect is very akin to the famous Hawking radiation emitted by black holes.

    The unstable particles which the physicists from the universities of Warsaw and Nottingham treated as a fundamental clocks in their analysis decay as a result of interactions with other quantum fields. The theory says that if such a particle remains in a space filled with a vacuum it decays at a different pace than when in the vicinity of many other particles interacting with it. Thus if in a system of extreme acceleration more particles can be seen as a result of the Unruh effect, the average decay times of particles such as muons should change.

    "Our calculations showed that above certain very large accelerations there simply must be time disorders in the decay of elementary particles. And if the disturbances affect fundamental clocks such as muons, then any other device built on the principles of quantum field theory will also be disrupted. Therefore, perfectly precise measurements of proper time are no longer possible. This fact has further consequences, because losing the ability to accurately measure the passage of time also means problems with the measurements of distance," explains Dr. Dragan.

    Until now it has been assumed that the concepts of time and space may lose their traditional senses only when certain phenomena predicted by hypothetical theories of quantum gravity begin to play a vital role. It is believed that the necessary conditions prevailed in the vicinity of the Big Bang.

    "In our paper, we show that for problems with the measurements of space-time to arise, such extreme conditions are not needed at all. Time, and therefore space, most likely cease to be accurately measurable even in today's Universe, provided that we try to carry out the measurements in systems moving with great acceleration," notes Dr. Dragan.

    The results from the physicists from Warsaw and Nottingham mean that at sufficiently high accelerations, the operational capabilities of any theory built on the notion of time, and thus also space, will be disrupted. This raises interesting questions. If in extremely accelerating systems we cannot build a clock that measures time accurately, is this exclusively a fundamental flaw in our measurement methods? Or maybe something is happening directly to time itself? And do properties which cannot be measured accurately even make physical sense?

    Modern accelerators can accelerate particles with accelerations several orders of magnitude higher than in the experiments of the 70s. Thus today we can carry out experiments in which the Unruh effect should be visible - and so changes in the decay time of particles triggered by acceleration should be observable, too. The conclusions of the Polish-British group of physicists on ideal clocks will thus soon be verified.

    "If our predictions are confirmed experimentally, many things related to our understanding of space-time, the passage of time, and its measurement methods will have to be rethought from scratch. It could be... interesting," concludes Dr. Dragan with a smile.
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    Default Re: Is our universe FAKE ? Physicists claim we could all be the playthings of an advanced civilisation

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBnhpEXXnbo

    Tom Campbell seems to be expressing himself much more clearly these days, and explaining his position or his assumptions much more fully and clearly. In particular (well, among many other things), it's great to hear about why it is that in the past he has dogmatically asserted that the physical world is a computer simulation. Actually, in the present video he explains why contemporary physicists and cosmologists apparently favor the view that physical reality is digital, rather than computable. "Digital" doesn't necessarily imply "computable", as I believe anyone who's expert in mathematical logic or mathematical computability theory can tell you. But that's only a minor quibble.

    The view that reality (including physical reality) is made out of "probabilities" instead of out of particles or objects (and hence isn't generally "objective" at all) has actually been a part (explicitly or implicitly) of all Western metaphysical (philosophical) systems known as "idealism" (not to mention most and almost all of ancient Eastern philosophy as well). For instance, I remember reading a book by Bertrand Russell written near the start of the twentieth century. In this book he explains how his metaphysical position was essentially the same as that of the nineteenth century philosopher Bradley. Any "idealist" philosophy sees the world as made out of "ideas" and certainly not out of atoms or physical particles. But what Russell and Bradley meant by "ideas" was basically the same as what Campbell means by "[pieces of] information". In that book Russell made the following point. The only way we can form what to an idealist is the illusion that we see particles or objects, is by combining together the relevant ideas (such as, say, ideas of "color" and of "shape" and so on) until we have enough relevant ideas that uniquely identify that "object". But what we are doing there is a kind of simulation, or approximation, because the ideas we keep adding are general in nature while the "object" we're concerned about is specific (or so we believe).

    And notice that (in spite of common belief) ideas, or pieces of "information", aren't just thoughts, though each idea has a thought as its label and as part of its expression.
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