Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

[abraxasinas]

I love this humorous side of Abrax. Love it.

Could you comment on the unification of souls Abrax?

And not to worry, I will never run out of questions.


Your soul is One in Many and Many in One.
You are all of them; Horus, Thoth and Ptah - just ask the Wisdom of the Uraeus in Queen Nefertiti.

It's the Ren, the Ren of the holy name, the cartouche Uncle John, or is it Uncle Anubis now - oh well.

Ptah has spoken his words of wisdom!

AA

[BROOK]

Well well. The watered down version of Thuban is washed and cleansed by the stone tablets of Ptah as Thoth washed up on the beach and teleported to the British museum from which our Egyptian Goddess of the Sothian knowledge has left her throne of majesty in the Ab of Isis to bless the poor Thuban dragon souls with her sublime and splendiferous wisdom of Egyptian lore.

Well done my queen Nefertiti, says Akhenaten, bowing to Aton ex Ra satisfied.


Nfr-Nfrw-Itn,


AA

Guess again...she NEVER leaves her throne :wink2:

[orthodoxymoron]

I've been purposely avoiding this thread because of it's complexity...and also to avoid being in a "can't see the forrest for the trees" sort of situation. However...I fully intend to take a full day...when I feel really rested and ambitious...to read every post. I appreciate the technical detail and enthusiasm of the participants.

:original:Namaste:original:

[Céline]

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/1535/hippie3fb7.jpg

[JesterTerrestrial]

Are you joking about eating people?!

Because that is not funny, in my opinion.

[viking]

If you stop feeding the 'Dragon'...

He will have nothing to eat!! :naughty:

viking

[UncleJohn]

It's the Ren, the Ren of the holy name, the cartouche Uncle John, or is it Uncle Anubis now - oh well.

http://blackburnarthistory.blogspot.com/2009/12/anubis-guardian-of-dead.html
http://earthrites.org/sacred_medicines_uncle_wyrdd_anubis.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartouche

And now for a question that I use to ask my friends so long ago. Who are the Grateful Dead and why are they following me around?

[eleni]

Dear Eleni!

Why is it such a 'crime' to answer one of the most asked questions in modern science - that of what mind and consciousness are - with a 'science based answer'?

Is it any wonder the 'skeptic societies' and media outlets have such a 'humerous time' in their debunkings of the 'New Age Energy Concepts'?

I made a mistake in presuming Uncle John's familiarity with fundamental physical semantics - it is only Newtonian Mechnics basically not Tensor differential geometry or lie group algebraic theory by the way.

Now all the wormwoods are crawling out of their holes accusing me to either be a plagiarist from 'real academic' sources or a 'show off' with words.
What am I doing here? I have 'worked' on these things for decades and have not need nor desire 'to prove' my credentials to anyone.

My ET connection began in November 1975 with a vision of Calvary.
I then experienced a REAL PHYSICAL encounter with an interdimensional being of the 'darkness' in June 1976 (and during the night).
Years later, in March 1985, I experienced a second vision, this time from 'what you consider outside the material universe, call it the 12D if you like.
In January that year I discovered a mathematical algorithm linked to the Mayan supernumber (Dresden Codex 13356) becoming the SECOND Order of a First Order originator (266561). These numbers emerged from my rediscovery of the Fibonacci Mechanisms.

I had just recently finished my University degree, when a great thunderstorm hit Brisbane, Queensland, Australia and a particular arrangement of numbers seemed to translate via my understanding of Mathematics/Physics principles into a collection of data triplets {Formally (OldState;Experience;NewState)}.
I decoded the iterative tripletstate and found the 'Experience Factors' to be: 0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,....

Exitedly I thought I had discovered a new Mathematical Series and it took me a week or so to discover that Leonardo da Pisa aka Fibonacci had already discovered this series of numbers over 600 years earlier.

BUT I had in fact rediscovered this series in a different application, than in counting rabbit populations. My rediscovery appeared to allow a modelling of the information/data transmission within the universe itself and I then was able to model this as a binary algorithm of the {0,1} selfstate.

Years later then, I knew that this became the superstring theory, first popularised at that time by Schwarz and Green at the same time but unbeknown to me.
I did not know of the details of string theory until 2001.


From then on I began to reconstruct (or backward engineer) the Universe.

The vision two months later confirmed the value to follow this path and then in May 1985 I experienced my second PHYSICAL encounter, but this time in broad daylight and of a 'LightBeing'.

Then in March 1995 the ET connection exploded in implosion by the 'blending of souls' in bilocality - the 3D space could communicate with the 12D space through the common Logos.

2004 I lost my eldest daughter to suicide and my physical condition deteriorated (I am presently only a physical wreck unable to walk or stand up without great tremors and muscle spasms).
Then in January 2006 I experienced a NDE/OBE searching for my daughter and in June 2008 a timeline I had worked on for decades, suddenly fell into place.
It is this timeline, coinciding with many ideas and intuitions by many here, which 'authorized' me to share the data I had accumulated over the years since November 1975 in a manner different from the path I had pursued hitherto (my website and yahoo discussion forums).

The first 'trigger' was August 29th, 2009 and the second November 30th, 2009. After the November date, I perceived the preparation period of the Logos (not mine) to have began and I 'stumbled' onto this forum through the PA interview with Greer.
I joined, was banned as a 'disinformant' or infiltrator and was reinstated after querying my dismissal.
Knowing the 3rd trigger of January 18th in the Logos timeline, I then decided to share data on this forum under the Thuban label, which is a simple relabeling of the 66=WOMAN=FREEDOM=ANUBIS=THE AMEN=...THUBAN archetype.

The ET contact is real, as it relates to the 1995 implosion of the outside-inside universe.

It is of ABSOLUTE UNIMPORTANCE what anyone here or elsewhere thinks or 'makes' of this information and I shall not elaborate on this; as the Persona, contraindicative what many may 'think' of the agenda of this; is utterly unimportant.

I would rather be in a similar position to the James Wingmaker data (which I almost fully support) and remain in total anonymity.

But I have reluctantly realised, that the time is short and should MY Logos BE agreeable, THEN to share this Thuban material is required for the fulfilment of that timeline. To be in anonynym does not help the 'unknown' to be at least partially discovered.

Perhaps the following poem accentuates my rather 'reluctant position' to even be here to 'answer questions'.
I'd rather be left alone.


The Poem of Malachi

It is not I, who claims to know and understand the secrets of the universe
but the One, that sent me to proclaim the true God in divers many a verse.

I am but a corrupted mirror for the One who rules and who does know
without him as her I could not say a thing, but melt away like snow.

But a dirty mirror yet can reflect the lights and shades of the truth so divine
to honour in glory and in remembrance, the One preparing the way sublime.

Should I be just another deluded fool, walking the earth in itself divided
there have indeed been many such men often in word and deed onesided;
then it doesn't matter how the story unfolds and how the tale might end
and the prose will be as nothing, the words of a false prophet self-sent.

But if the One who sent me is true and in wisdom of the heavenly gold
then a new world can be born from the remnants of the whithering old.

Then the prophet will be known to have been true to God's own lot
never mind the real fools, who belittle, ridicule and say that it cannot.

The wisdom of God is more potent, then the knowledge of vanity Man
God rejoices in your heart's message: "Yes, indeed, I can understand!"

Know that all of you are Israelites and the Blood of Jacob's well
the gentiles of Paul are your kindred folks, sounding an alien bell.
Ezekiel's siege of Israel has now begun in earnest on 9-7-9 D.O.B.
with Jeremiah, all of the old prophets returned to finish their Job.

The holy land, your promised land is renown as the mother planet earth
Your bodies are the temple of God, Jerusalem both new and old in dearth.

Malachi - The Last Prophet

Abraxas Anthony


Thank you Abrax for taking the time to answer my questions- I had already known about your daughter and your physical condition and my heart goes out to you......as well as your being put in a difficult situation under scrutiny.

Maybe the members of this board will take the time to read what you just wrote and ponder it. Many are under the impression you channel this information so it's helpful that is cleared up (once again for those who haven't read otherwise).

I for the life of me can't understand math so a lot of what you write goes right over my head but I had another one of those interesting dreams last night where knowledge of this nature was downloaded- I only wish I could have full recall in the morning:sad:

[BROOK]

Your soul is One in Many and Many in One.
You are all of them; Horus, Thoth and Ptah - just ask the Wisdom of the Uraeus in Queen Nefertiti.

It's the Ren, the Ren of the holy name, the cartouche Uncle John, or is it Uncle Anubis now - oh well.

Ptah has spoken his words of wisdom!

AA


Ouch...the serpents bite does sting.

Fear not Uncle John...you are not "Uncle Anubis"...for if you were, you would not have such inquiry.

But I leave you Uncle John with the words of Isis to remove the Poison
http://imagecache5.art.com/p/LRG/7/724/3ESA000Z/susan-boulet-isis-and-osiris.jpg


"O poison of Tefent, come forth, fall on the ground; go no further. O poison of Befent, come forth, fall on the ground. I am Isis, the goddess, the mistress of words of power. I am a weaver of spells, I know how to utter words so that they take effect.

Hearken to me, O every reptile that biteth (or stingeth), and fall on the ground.

O poison of Mestet, go no further.

O poison of Mestetef, rise not up in his body. O poison of Petet and Thetet, enter not his body.

O poison of Maatet, fall on the ground. Ascend not into heaven, I command you by the beloved of Râ, the egg of the goose which appeareth from the sycamore.

My words indeed rule to the uttermost limit of the night. I speak to you, O scorpions.

I am alone and in sorrow, and our names will stink throughout the nomes....

The child shall live! The poison shall die! For Râ liveth and the poison dieth. Horus shall be saved through his mother Isis, and he who is stricken shall likewise be saved."

[abraxasinas]

Are you joking about eating people?!

Because that is not funny, in my opinion.

When confronted with a particular kind of question and/or paradigm or worldview or perceptive interpretation of something; then this confrontation becomes subject to mirror and/or reflect this something in likewise manner.

When the evil queen in snowhite concocted her poisoned apple redefining the most beautiful in the land; then this poisoned apple was indeed eaten by snowhite for a happy ending in the arms of her prince in the long run.

So eating the poisonous apple of the jealous bitchy witch didn't do any harm to snowhite, the innocent and beautiful one after all the innuendos within the story.

Jesters of the Universe are talented to 'make people laugh' are they not?
There are many a fool of the tarot! But some know the height of the cliff.

AA

[Jonah]

Abrax,

Wow this thread finally got interesting... Guna have to start off by admitting that I pretty much saw this coming and for that I can't help but smile...

I can smell fear.... although you might think you can invoke fear to some of the members here it should be known to you by now that this coarse of action is a feeble attempt to salvage yours and their agenda whatever it may be.

I can see now why they chose you...

By not answering my question tells me that you are either unaware... or that you haven't thought about it...

Or because you feel this information would go against your current agenda..

[UncleJohn]

When the evil queen in snowhite concocted her poisoned apple redefining the most beautiful in the land; then this poisoned apple was indeed eaten by snowhite for a happy ending in the arms of her prince in the long run.

Somehow I knew this thread was going to get around to Computation Complexity Theory. Alan Turing committed suicide by eating a poison apple. Alan came up with the Turing Machine and the Turing Test. He is one of my hero's.

What about the halting problem for linearly bounded automata (Turing machine)? NP == P?

[abraxasinas]

http://blackburnarthistory.blogspot.com/2009/12/anubis-guardian-of-dead.html
http://earthrites.org/sacred_medicines_uncle_wyrdd_anubis.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cartouche

And now for a question that I use to ask my friends so long ago. Who are the Grateful Dead and why are they following me around?

Your links above are showing your receiving the information Uncle John!

The Grateful Dead are who they are, described in the below and the poem, written by me, but transmitted by them.

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/anubis.jpghttp://tonyb.freeyellow.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/anubis.jpg.w300h212.jpgRaH Versus ApeP as HaR the Image of RaHaR in the Mirror of Hathor.

The Right White Solar Eye of RaH for Horus of the Horizon as the 3 and the Left Black Lunar Eye of HaR for Hathor of the Mirror as the 6 and Imaged in the Right Eye of Uraeus in Anubis as the 9.

Anubis Khaibit- Shadow of Uraeus
FUTURE SHADOWS OF THE PAST

"A most wondrous thing the Shadow is, a redeemer in all to succour;
it can go where the light cannot abide, seemingly banished, it is not.
For where the light is, the darkness flees, no longer present to endure;
so to become illuminated is its destined journey and its troubled lot.

But without the light, no Shadow can be cast, its such a splendid key;
the dimensions reduce in space from three to two and all in just the one.
Betwixt the light and the darkness it is and part of both for all to see;
the Shadow of the body, does it not merge all in its rule under the sun?

Whatsoever can cast a Shadow, must be a most wondrous thing to relay;
as nature's very own offspring, the young ones grow towards their final goal.
Enabled to bring peace to so many things appearing apart and so far away;
the reconciliation for the suffering body with its spirit and its scattered soul."


DE MORTUIS NIL NISI BONUM
{Speak Nothing but Good of the Dead}

Out in the graveyard;
inscriptions, words and plaques, all withering away;
like the flowers adorning them, so the dead do lay.
Waiting and waiting for someone to remember them
and not just in photoalbums or on the special days.

Memorials are built, meaningless constructions - lest we forget!
They all are forgotten, given time enough to sigh, to pass away.
The living are so busy preparing for their own demise, to die.
Little do they know, the busy ones, that the dead are still alive.

They watch over the living ones, they do, from a place so far;
yet so near they are, but why would they watch the way they do?
To understand the mystery is the noble thing to do - a gallant quest.
They wish to be remembered, to join in soul and mind , the body's zest.

A marriage betwixt the dimensions, a holy union in heaven with hell.
But can the fearful thoughts of the living see, their lovehearts tell?
The living are like snowflakes, made of water, so unique one by one.
But they melt away, to be fluid again - into the one great ocean, gone!

The dead are all one in the great seas, waiting to crystallise again in two.
To wake up to a new life again, as a snowflake-twin, asking: 'Love me too!'
Eternal life awaits the living, could they only reply to the dead's request.
But the alive ones linger and doubt, in vanity do they live their only quest.

SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI
{Thus passes away the glory of the world}

Anubis

[Stardustaquarion]

2004 I lost my eldest daughter to suicide and my physical condition deteriorated (I am presently only a physical wreck unable to walk or stand up without great tremors and muscle spasms).

Beloved Abraxasinas

I missed above, have not been reading your postings regularly. I myself suffered from fibromyalgia for many years and nothing could help me. I left no stone unturned...and then I found Keylontic Sciences and little by little following the journeys I had great improvement. Of course they make no health claims of any class, but think about it, the problems are in our template and so healing the template by correcting the distorssions make sense. I am now fully recovery and with more energy than when I was in my 20's

Unless you seriously underwent monadic reversal and the full fibonacci activation of the death star merkabah, you can get better, even heal yourself if you choose to

It is never too late, and even if you are no longer conected to source you can still use the journeys and improve your condition and have a Krystiac existance of peace and joy. Krystiac has nothing to do with christianity is the primal sound of creation Ka Ra Ya Sa Ta Ha La

Of course this may not be for you at all and I understand that each being has its own desires of exploration, the dead light is a path as well as the living light

I wish you well

In eternal krystiac aqua LaVa

[abraxasinas]

Abrax,

Wow this thread finally got interesting... Guna have to start off by admitting that I pretty much saw this coming and for that I can't help but smile...

I can smell fear.... although you might think you can invoke fear to some of the members here it should be known to you by now that this coarse of action is a feeble attempt to salvage yours and their agenda whatever it may be.

I can see now why they chose you...

By not answering my question tells me that you are either unaware... or that you haven't thought about it...

Or because you feel this information would go against your current agenda..

I apologize; what question; I must have missed it?

I'll look and come back to you!

AA

[abraxasinas]

And what is to become of the council once its term is served?

Are they to live in a quarantine of a higher dimension?

Ah yes, sorry I missed this question Jonah!

They are in quarantine now before the transfomation or metamorphosis for a better term.
With the transformation thay will render the twosidedness of the omnispacetime mirror as onesided.

This is a precise mathematical and topological transformation, which you can analyse in studying the Moebius Strip embedded as a onesided surface in a 3D space and that of a Klein-Bottle as a 2-dimensional surface embedded in 4-dimensional space, as the latter cannot be embedded in 3-dimensional space like the Moebius strip.

In simpler terms, this means that the 12D 'outside' universe will be able to connect to its 'inside' universe in the continuation of the twosidedness as a doubled surface of the 2D-Klein Bottle as a Torus Topology as a 11-dimensional supertwist of the rootreduced 11D=1+1=2D.

In metaphysical archetypical terms the Mayan Rattlesnake will 'rattle' its tail and the entwined serpentine brotherhood will become unified in the darkness becoming as one with the light.

This means of course that the Thuban Exile will end in its homecoming into a reconfigured universe. The 10D-11D-12D partitioning will be unified in the 'shattering' of the mirror of the illusions.

AA

[abraxasinas]

2004 I lost my eldest daughter to suicide and my physical condition deteriorated (I am presently only a physical wreck unable to walk or stand up without great tremors and muscle spasms).

Beloved Abraxasinas

I missed above, have not been reading your postings regularly. I myself suffered from fibromyalgia for many years and nothing could help me. I left no stone unturned...and then I found Keylontic Sciences and little by little following the journeys I had great improvement. Of course they make no health claims of any class, but think about it, the problems are in our template and so healing the template by correcting the distorssions make sense. I am now fully recovery and with more energy than when I was in my 20's

Unless you seriously underwent monadic reversal and the full fibonacci activation of the death star merkabah, you can get better, even heal yourself if you choose to

It is never too late, and even if you are no longer conected to source you can still use the journeys and improve your condition and have a Krystiac existance of peace and joy. Krystiac has nothing to do with christianity is the primal sound of creation Ka Ra Ya Sa Ta Ha La

Of course this may not be for you at all and I understand that each being has its own desires of exploration, the dead light is a path as well as the living light

I wish you well

In eternal krystiac aqua LaVa

I appreciate your deepfelt and hearty concerns for my cursed dragonhood existence beloved stardustaquarion.
I have not activated my Krytstiac merkabahs and my path is indeed that of the Khaibit as the Guide of the Dead.

The Thubanese guardians of the death and the planetdustedness have decided to remain in Hades and give allegiance to Charon the Ferryman rowing across the River Styx.

We have encountered the great teachings of the Guardian Alliance and that of the Cassiopeans in the orders of the 'Melchizedek Cloister Emerald Order' and the 'Future Quantum School of Melchizedek'.

We also have known of the prior sources of those great teachings and have decided to incorporate the earlier source codes instead of the newer assimilated ones.

http://www.maar.us/anna_hayes.html

Love always to our Blue Dragon Sister in the Realms of the Theatres of the Living Oneness.

AA

[Céline]

http://aurorahunter.com/photos/700/valley-of-light.jpg

[Jonah]

If i may, are the ships currently surrounding the earth coming in peace to meet with us...

before eating us..... or is this just for some

will i get to meet my furry alien mirror self in peace before it eats me? cuz that would be cool... you know at least wine and dine me before putting me to sleep so to speak... :mfr_omg:

you have brought out the worst my friend truly disgusting... just my opinion...

people are free to think what they will... don't think you'll have much of a following however.. at least not from members of this forum... good luck abrax..

ps... if your around when its feeding time come and find me.. i'll be the one sending your dragon's back to the stars XXX-)

[BROOK]

Céline...I absolutely LOVE that picture.....I will share another.....in love...in light

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0407/moussette_aur16jul1_c1.jpg

[In Transit]

Abrax,

Sorry for the tangent, but this thread is a wild ride and I would like to throw in another twist or two.

I have always been fascinated by "Last Days" or "End of Days" prophecy via old testament sources and any other sources I can get my hands on.

I have recently awakened from the path of Mormonism to be precise. One of the issues that led to my awakening was my thirst for ongoing enlightenment. What I found within this particular religion was that an attempt was made at the roots of the religion to dabble in prophecy and revelation as it related to the existing base of scriptures and freemasonry. Yet, nowadays there was nothing new. This baffled me, how could a common intelligent human being be okay stagnating with no real new knowledge or additional knowledge that would help along the path back to the source?

At one point I my inner self knew that it must break free from these chains of man-made dogma. At the same time I knew I was leaving behind knowledge that had helped me get to this point. I was an outcast by all others who were happy in their stagnated state. I was the rebel.

Anyway, I provide this illustration to you in reference to my upcoming question so please stay with me. In my departure from Mormonism and Christianity it seemed to me that there is really something underneath the layers of loving Mormonism and all of Christianity that must be exposed to the unsuspecting loving membership (and most members of these religion are great and unsuspecting) before we can move any further towards the Source.

So, the question here is will the unknown ugliness of Mormonism as well as all religions be exposed at some point in the future in your opinion?

How would this scenario play out?

I have recently had the feeling that there will be participation or an interaction that has to do with inner earth or the lost tribes as spoken of in ancient scripture. What are your thoughts on this?

What do you know of the legend of the city of Enoch?

That's it for now. Your time and insight are much appreciated by one who is always In Transit.

[jujumon]

abraxasinas:

I seem to hear different dates, you and others have indicated Dec 21, 2012, while others (in the minority I might add) have been advocating October 28, 2011, Do you care to comment?

[Céline]

Céline...I absolutely LOVE that picture.....I will share another.....in love...in light








Thank you dear Brook!!

it is stunning...

in Light and Love...we will fill the dark Hole...

[BROOK]

Thank you dear Brook!!

it is stunning...

in Light and Love...we will fill the dark Hole...

Yes...it is for our Mother...Gaia..that I see the lights shine.
And with her blessings do I fear not the darkness :wub2:

[Stardustaquarion]

I appreciate your deepfelt and hearty concerns for my cursed dragonhood existence beloved stardustaquarion.
I have not activated my Krytstiac merkabahs and my path is indeed that of the Khaibit as the Guide of the Dead.

The Thubanese guardians of the death and the planetdustedness have decided to remain in Hades and give allegiance to Charon the Ferryman rowing across the River Styx.

We have encountered the great teachings of the Guardian Alliance and that of the Cassiopeans in the orders of the 'Melchizedek Cloister Emerald Order' and the 'Future Quantum School of Melchizedek'.

We also have known of the prior sources of those great teachings and have decided to incorporate the earlier source codes instead of the newer assimilated ones.

http://www.maar.us/anna_hayes.html

Love always to our Blue Dragon Sister in the Realms of the Theatres of the Living Oneness.

AA

The link that you mention is just one opinion, I studied with the gnostics, theosophyst, shamans etc, etc. the list is endless and have spent all the spare time that I had in my life in the quest of understanding and achieving ascension

Like you I have also had contact with ETs prior to encountering the GA MCEO
Many of the things my ETs taught me are reflected in the teachings of the azurite press. I am not a full nor naive, I research deep into every subject that I am interested

One thing that was key for me is that Asha in her books talks about the United Kingdom being part of Atlantis which is an impression I had many years ago and could not find confirmation anywere

Appart from that the Earth, is my friend, it talks to me and tells me its secrets...I am a gridkeeper I can read the ethers

Before engaging on the Freedom Teachings I researched so much that I left myself withouth a shadow of a doubt that this was the most logical, cohesive path that one can wish to engage should one want physical ascension, or just spiritual ascension

I know many people shy of Asha's teachings because she is very direct and her logical/scientifical explanations on the creation and ascension mechanic will challenge the intellectual capacity of even scientist...many people just give up

Why are these teachings so difficult, because they are being stepped down and I know how that happens because I myself do keylontic communication with many Krystiac beings from different planets and realms

Asha by the way could not possible have made up all these, she only went to college and studied art. The complexity and ellegance of the system will take many MIT geniuses to compile and put together if they ever could. My son has a honours degree in Artificial Intelligence so I know the score

Part of me used to live in Sirius B and had speaker contracts there. As that part of me in a parallel time I did guide three ascension...you see but here I am only a gridkeeper
The beings in the higher dimensions have great difficulty understanding our predicament, many of them have never been in a fallen system before

There are also a miriad of distorsions down here and the NET of oblivion that program us to be in fear and think that the only life that we have is this one and that is it...

In eternal Krystiac aqua LaVa

[Céline]

i do not fear the darkness but i will never give myself over to it either..

i dont care how many parables...or how many "facts"one knows..

No one..could convince me, that a black hole.. holds the answers.

[BROOK]

i do not fear the darkness but i will never give myself over to it either..

i dont care how many parables...or how many "facts"one knows..

No one..could convince me, that a black hole.. holds the answers.

Profound truth and wisdom. :naughty:
Spoken from the heart... :wub2:

[Céline]

Profound truth and wisdom. :naughty:
Spoken from the heart... :wub2:

Thank you dear friend .. i suppose my position means nothing to Abraxas...but i do hope others...see ..my point.

[BROOK]

Thank you dear friend .. i suppose my position means nothing to Abraxas...but i do hope others...see ..my point.

I am sure they do....and when the time is upon us...just remember two things

Mother Gaia.....and the Merkaba....with love in our heart we will be just fine. :wub2:

[Céline]

just remember two things

Mother Gaia.....and the Merkaba....with love in your heart you will be just fine. :wub2:

http://www.diamondenergetics.com/Shared/Sites/diamondenergetics/Assets/Your%20Images/merkaba%20new%20copy.jpg

[THE eXchanger]

are you familiar with the dragon called
Seraf'ina ???

(seraf=22)
ina - 9 5 1 (15)
thus ; 22+15=37/10
she is a red dragon outside, blue inside, and,
can blend those colours of red/and, blue to reflect/or, be seen as purple

she is some form of ancient lightworker dragon
but, where is she originally from/what are all the purposes
for having access to a dragon ???

she shows up to work with us in grand cycles,
currently, earth is NOW in a 13th grand cycle,
WE ARE CURIOUS, exactly what these 13th grand cycle are...
is it merely, a changing of a guard of 2000 years x 13 = 26,000
and, also that of a galatic alignment !!!
ie; it moves from pisces/to age of acquarius etc., ???
means to you ???

[Céline]

http://www.adelaidabarliza.com/door%20light%20darkness%20lg.jpg

[abraxasinas]

Somehow I knew this thread was going to get around to Computation Complexity Theory. Alan Turing committed suicide by eating a poison apple. Alan came up with the Turing Machine and the Turing Test. He is one of my hero's.

What about the halting problem for linearly bounded automata (Turing machine)? NP == P?

The Logician and Nazi codebreaker Alan Turing, yes prosecuted by the English legislatures for his nature as written and a story told beautifully by Andrew Hodges biography: Alan Turing: The Enigma.

Computer-Literate I am not and anyone working in the field knows more than me.
But there are Input-Output functions and Goedels Theorems of Incompleteness applied to the polynomial time of the deterministic Turing Machine class P and the nondeterministic Turing Machine class NP.
The Quantum Computer can put the string into a multiple interaction field for the nonsequential order of the string.
Does not the human brain behave like this as a parallel processor of the data?
Reducing the polynomial timeinterval makes faster and more capacitative memories; but eliminating the timeinterval into a quantum NOW can open the Memory of the Universe as its own Turing Machine - but yet it is P and perhaps NP-complete in halting.

The fast algorithm in polynomial time - can the undecidability of the Halting problem be modeled on the beginnings of the univers?
It was an infinite computer loop after all, just like Turing's Proof.

So the solution of P=NP relates to the cosmogenesis. Some logician will one day use the physical birth of spacetime to map the Halting Problems One-To-One.

P=NP before there was time and space and the algorithms for the computers of the future emerged from the logistics of themselves.
After the spacetime exists however, the P=Not NP because thing has turned to require the strings themselves to Be - in the simpleton's word of the relative ignorance.

AA

[Céline]

Darkness should never ignore the Light.

Darkness hungers for the Light.

Light brings life to darkness

Light offers eternity

[BROOK]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oUc6WpOAwto/SR8t3tTthDI/AAAAAAAACRY/6IxP7bBgzKQ/s400/knot-of-creation-small.jpg

[abraxasinas]

The link that you mention is just one opinion, I studied with the gnostics, theosophyst, shamans etc, etc. the list is endless and have spent all the spare time that I had in my life in the quest of understanding and achieving ascension

Like you I have also had contact with ETs prior to encountering the GA MCEO
Many of the things my ETs taught me are reflected in the teachings of the azurite press. I am not a full nor naive, I research deep into every subject that I am interested

One thing that was key for me is that Asha in her books talks about the United Kingdom being part of Atlantis which is an impression I had many years ago and could not find confirmation anywere

Appart from that the Earth, is my friend, it talks to me and tells me its secrets...I am a gridkeeper I can read the ethers

Before engaging on the Freedom Teachings I researched so much that I left myself withouth a shadow of a doubt that this was the most logical, cohesive path that one can wish to engage should one want physical ascension, or just spiritual ascension

I know many people shy of Asha's teachings because she is very direct and her logical/scientifical explanations on the creation and ascension mechanic will challenge the intellectual capacity of even scientist...many people just give up

Why are these teachings so difficult, because they are being stepped down and I know how that happens because I myself do keylontic communication with many Krystiac beings from different planets and realms

Asha by the way could not possible have made up all these, she only went to college and studied art. The complexity and ellegance of the system will take many MIT geniuses to compile and put together if they ever could. My son has a honours degree in Artificial Intelligence so I know the score

Part of me used to live in Sirius B and had speaker contracts there. As that part of me in a parallel time I did guide three ascension...you see but here I am only a gridkeeper
The beings in the higher dimensions have great difficulty understanding our predicament, many of them have never been in a fallen system before

There are also a miriad of distorsions down here and the NET of oblivion that program us to be in fear and think that the only life that we have is this one and that is it...

In eternal Krystiac aqua LaVa

Indeed, Anna Hayes' scientific discourses are profound indeed.

AA

[Céline]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_oUc6WpOAwto/SR8t3tTthDI/AAAAAAAACRY/6IxP7bBgzKQ/s400/knot-of-creation-small.jpg

That image says more...then any of the long posts...any of the parables...or any of the 30+ pages on this......thread...could EVER say...

thank You Brook

[BROOK]

That image says more...then any of the long posts...any of the parables...or any of the 30+ pages on this......thread...could EVER say...

thank You Brook

You are welcome...it is called "The Hand of God"

[abraxasinas]

i do not fear the darkness but i will never give myself over to it either..

i dont care how many parables...or how many "facts"one knows..

No one..could convince me, that a black hole.. holds the answers.


I am sure you have little ideas about what a 'Black Hole' is Celine!

You may give ear to a scientist, rather than to the purveyors of fearbased agendas.

Of Whales, Mites, Souls, Merkabahs and Black Holes!

The 'Seat' of the 'Soul' according to the string physics of Quantum Relativity (QR)

Much controversy revolves around the concept of the Cartesian mind-body duality and the ideas of an immortal part of a living entities colloquially and historically termed 'soul'.

Four references from the KJV Christian bible read as translated.

Genesis.2.7: "And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul".

Genesis.2.5: "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb in the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

Genesis.1.21: "And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantely, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good."

Genesis.1.11: "And God said, Let the earth bring bring forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the fruit tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good."



It is proposed in QR; that the sciptural accounts describing creation in actuality reflect an encoding of a story, which can today be translated into the nomenclature of modern physical theory.

So the 'seed in itself' translates as the programming of the DNA inherent in the sexual chromosomes of reproduction in modern genetics of sorts.
This then implies, that the 'Lord God' and as the creator somehow must be responsible for this 'programming' as say the primordial and/or underpinning and/or intrinsic intelligence or mind for this 'creation' and 'before it materialised' in the Big Bang cosmology and the creation of space and time et al.

Furthermore, man (and all lifeforms in flora and fauna say before it) does in fact derive from 'the dust of the ground'; namely as the first selfreplicating biovital precursors in the Darwinian evolution in the form of clay-crystals.
The growth of crystalline inorganic structures can be shown to relate to chiral differentiation with say the biochemistry of DNA manifesting in righthanded sugars and lefthanded proteins. Also this can be further examined and analysed in the weak parity violation of the weak nuclear interaction and so the asymmetry between matter and antimatter in fundamental particle physics.
Subsequently, nature's favouring of compacting information in its most efficient manner possible leads to geometric forms for the selfreplication of crystalline structures to proceed; say as in the well established form of fivefolded symmetries in the Fibonacci patterns of quasicrystals and the more regular packing arrangements as say embodied in the five Platonic Solids: Tetrahedron, Cube, Octahedron, Dodecahedron and Icosahedron.

The topic of this post is however a particular 'decoding' of the scriptures; namely why are 'whales' mentioned in the genesis account and in context with the 'moving creatures', say as distinct of the 'stationary' trees?

First, the informed reader might realise certain biological anomalies.

Only whales share something termed the female human menopause with scriptural 'man' (meaning mankind as male with the female as a bisexual unity).

Secondly, whilst the evolutionary historical record shows diversity in the great mammals generally having 'shrunk' in size; the whales have greatly 'expanded'.

A mammoth; a dimetrodon, a wooly rhino and a smilodon; all clearly show scaled-up versions of the modern elephant, the modern rhinoceros and the modern lion say.

But the ancestry of whales is believed to derive from landdwelling Mesonychids, which were doglike carniverous ungulates (one-hoofed) and from ancestors of the hippopotamus in artiodactyla (hippopotamidae) of the early paleocene about 60 million years ago.

Basilosaurus cetoides (and say Zyggorhiza Kochii) were primitive whales in the Eocene oceans, about 40 million years ago, having returned to the aquatic environment, say 50 million years ago.

Those primitive whales, as cetaceans, then 'split' about 35 million years ago into evolved into the toothless baleen whales and the toothed dolphins, porpoises, killer whales and sperm whales of today.

The greatest and most massive mammal that has ever existed still exists today under threat of extinction - the Blue Whale of say 150 tonnes in weight and 30-40 meters in length.

One blue whale was dated as being over 200 years old and their average lifespan is the same as that for the human in so 70-100 years.

So is there a familial relationship between humans and whales? Modern whales are related to pachyderms in the hippopotami and some 'decipherers' of scripture identify the biblical 'behemoth' of the Book of Job with the hippopotamus and the Leviathan of that book with the whale.

Actually, according to QR, the Jobian mythological creatures relate to something rather different, namely the Mazzaroth or Circle of Ourobos as the 'zodiac' of the 'Milky Way'; but this has been discussed elsewhere.

But according to the cosmogenesis of QR; the Big Bang occurred 19.11 billion years ago following 'stringed inflationary epoch'.

This inflation ended at the 'instanton of time', namely to=3.33..x10-31 seconds after 'Planck-Time' and related in the cycletime n=Ho.t. This quantises a linear 'flow of time' as dn/dt=Ho~1.88x10-18 Hz and as a superposed 'cosmic frequency' for the expansion of the universe (as a nodal Hubble-Constant of 58 km/Mpc.s say).

This marker, initialising the thermodynamic Big Bang as a Planck Black-Body Radiator; then manifests a 'Unified Field' (UF) of the four gauge interactions (Gravitation, Electromagnetism and the two nuclear interactions).

This UF manifests the merging of two opposing wavefunctions, which repeats in intervals of 8π radians and manifests the gauge interactions as a collection of monopolic current 'knots' or 12 intersection-points.

As the timeinstanton defines the c-invariance in lightpath x=cto and as a wavelength (lambda) say; one can now metricate the minimum displacement as a Schwarzschild Radius in say General Relativity and giving a boundary/initial condition for the relativistic Big Bang.

Setting 4 Lambda=(8π.ro)=2GM/c2, then specifies the 'Black Holed' inertia or mass as Mmin=4π.ro.c2/G=162,000 kg in the QR calculation, using string parameters.

What does this mean?

This means that any mass observed and measured in the universe can be differentiated in terms of its Black-Hole equivalence.

A classical Black Hole would become limited in an 'ordinary' manifested mass of 162 tonnes and as the precise mapping of the 'Unified Field' onto a subsequent cosmic evolution, which began over 19 billion years ago and in a sense defining the 'finiteness' of the universe, compared to its stringed 'pretime'.

So any of the 'living moving creatures' of the scriptural account would PRECEDE the manifestation of a physical universe as the 'seeds of themselves', now translated into modern semantics as the Black Hole inertia equivalents, which in QR are also monopolic and superconductive source-currents.

So if 162 tonnes is a maximum and say as the scale of the most massive living creature that ever existed; what then is the minimum scale of such a creature?.

As the 162 tonnes specify a maximum in say the baleen whale as the END of the inflationary string epoch; the minimum is necessarily defined in the beginning of that epoch and so in the Planck-Mass MP=√(hc/2πG)~1.6x10-8 kg.

Should one use the mass of a human preembryo at implantation of the blastocyst (100-150 cells) at say 7 days after fertilisation as a marker; then using cellular mitosis at the twelfth division - after the creation of the first generation of the daughter cells from the parental spermatozoa and ovum -of the (totipotent) stem cells; the Planck-Mass is also attained.
Here one uses a characteristic cellular mass of 1 nanogram for 214=16,384 cells for a total mass of 16,384 nanograms.

So the lightest 'living creature' should weigh about the Planck-Mass and is found in the world of the microbes.

The Etruscan Shrew (of thumbsize) is described as the lightest living mammal, weighing 2 grams; the lightest vertebrate is often said to be the stout infantfish (of so 8 mm) at one milligram and the lightest insects are say fairy flies (hymenoptera, wasps), which also weigh in the milligram region and the millimeter scale of size.

The smallest invertebrata can be smaller, then the largest protozoa, say the bacterium paramecium (350 micrometers) as compared to a fairy flie of 200 micrometers.

Microscopic mites like Archegozetes Iongesetosus (from taxonomy of acari and arachnids) weighs 100 micrograms and is often called the 'strongest animal in the world', as it can lift over 1182 times its own bodyweight (expected value is about five times). Such microorganisms date back to the Devonian era of so 400 million years ago and still dominate the overall lifeform in number on the planet.

But Archegozetes Iongesetosus is a 'larger' mite at half a millimeter and at 10-7 kg and smaller mites reduce to less than one tenth of a millimeter.

This reduction in size corresponds to a say fivefolded reduction in mass and now characterises the Planck-Mass of so 16 micrograms.

So what am I saying?

I claim, that say the extreme forms of inertia found on the planet, say the 162 ton baleen whale and the tropic mite at 20 microgram, are both related to the creation of the universe before space and time existed - as DNA/RNA templates or architectural blueprints subject to evolutionary genetic mutation or similar.

And this is just, what the scriptures claim in genesis. The 'seeds' existed, before they were planted.

And the human scale of say 50-100 kg is near the geometric mean of the two extremes at √(162x103x1.6x10-8)~0.051 kg by a factor of 1000 - the mean describing a 'weight' of 51 grams (a typical chocolate bar or a small bird).

So where then is the location of the 'souls'?

The souls of all 'living things' are located inside the Black Holes of their inertia equivalence.
And as this equivalence predates the Big Bang, the 'souls' of living entitities from mite to blue whale must also predate the materially manifested universe in the selfsame primordial 'mind' or 'cosmic intelligence', which programmed the 'seeds' in say the genetic encoding and which is historically known under many labelings, including that of the 'Lord God'.

Subsequently, when a mite or blue whale 'dies', the information 'collected' as say 'memory' in 'consciousness' throughout its 'lifecycle' will become 'processable' in a scenario transcending space and time in a 'return to the sourcing of the seeds'.

AA

Fantastic hypothesis, Tony. Are you saying that there is a sort
of 'blueprint soul' from which all others are made and to which
they return?
I don't really understand inertia, but I think I was able to grasp
most of what you were alluding to above.
Thanks,
April

TonyB.: Yes April, and this blueprint is the same 'thing' from which the entire universe was born. It is the 'singularity' of mathematical physics as well as the 'source of all things' of the ancients, as well as the 'IAm' of Moses' 'burning bush' in Exodus.3.14 as the 'most holy of names' as well as the 'IAM' of omniscience of the New Ager.

Because this 'singularity' is responsible of having 'made' space and time from itself; it was described by the ancient mind of insight (gnosis=scientia=knowledge) as some 'LIGHT moving out of its own darkness to create all things.
This is just like the mythology described in genesis. So the 'bible bashers' in a sense are not far off the 'truth' at all. Using GNOSIS=SCIENCE=INSIGHT, one can DECIPHER the mythologies in just a manner which reductionistic science can (and will imo) eventually accept as its own ontology.

The trouble is that any mythology becomes by necessity FILTERED by the 'decoder'.
So saying, that the 'spirit of God' moved across the void (which is the same as the Greek Chaos differentiating into Uranus=Sky and Gaea=Earth or the Egyptian twinship of Geb=Earth with Nut=Sky) can and has been interpreted in many ways, including in exoteric (open and outward for the masses as Jesus or similar adepts would have said) and an esoteric (hidden or occult and inward for the disciples as Jesus or similar adepts would have said).
Then the so called sceptics and antispiritualists lose impartiality in critisizing the exotericism of say the dogma-bound religions as being undifferentiated from the esoteric interpretations (reserved for the 'disciples' or whatever).


Lastly, April's question on the 'souls return to their source' requires deeper analysis.

Logically, all speculations must be selfconsistent and should also be reducible to a basic simplicity.

So the 'singularity' is in fact defined in a generalised way by many thinkers, ancient and new. One can term it the 'Lord God' or the Big Bang Singularity of a Planck-Superstring or the Source-Energy of the IAMTHATIAM or whatever.
Note here an important FACT. God is God UNTIL he has created his own image in Man (AdamEve) and RENAMES himself as the Lord God thenceafter. Why? Because Adam has now become God as his Veritas Eikona (Perfect or True Image), being empowered to NAME all the created fauna and flora in the manner of scientific classifications and taxonomies etc. etc.(Gen.2.4,20).

God's Spirit becomes the ENERGY, not only of his own selfdefinition (after emerging out of his opwn darkness or void by becoming AWARE of himself); but also of the lifesustaining 'breath of life' dispensed to his environment (say Stephen's bubble of being, which is Isaiah's 'Vessel of the Lord', Noah's Ark, the New Age Merkabah, Moses' 'Ark of the Covenant' and the 'Body of Christ' as the 'Body of the Church' in the eucharist etc. etc.).

Modern science then will one day discover, that this 'spirit of God' is closely related to the foundations of the physical sciences in being the boundary for spacetime as metric limit - limiting to what displacement scale measurements can be reduced.

Because of this, all science must eventually converge at its source of origin and it will then become understood what 'God' truly is and always was.
Namely, God can only be the energy reservoir for everything that exist, did or can exist including all thoughts, memories, speculations, dreams and inventions.
BUT, this energy reservoir must necessarily be independent on physical parameters such as space and time and mass.
So, modern science must CHANGE its paradigm of reducing everything to spacetimematter and REPLACE this with a reduction to the ENERGY equaivalence of this spacetimematter.
This will DEFINE 'God' unmistakenly, as all global science will find commonality and reproducibility through the scientific methodology.

I can elaborate if asked specific questions on this and have already often done so in my posts.

So the 'souls' are REDUCED energy concentrations independent on mass and space and time. Whilst 'enlivening' some 'vessel of life' (and a vessel of the lord in terms onf man as the image); the 'souls' ARE the living entity, might it be an ant or a dolphin or a child.
Their 'souls' are however CONNECTED to the source of all in their ENERGY EQUIVALENCE, say modelled on Black Hole physics.

As the entire inertial universe is most definitively describable as a "Mother Black Hole' (because the critical density in General Relativity demands a harmony between elementary parameters in first principles); whatever is contained in this universe is automatically bilocated in terms of the INFORMATION procressing of this selfsame universe.

The boundary of the universe is colocated with the centre (and just as Stephen propounds in his 'merkabah'-sphere).
This means, that all information in between is MAPPED onto the surface (of the so called Hubble Horizon of the universe so 17 billion lightyears from the Big Bang centre) and from where it is 'processed' by the centre.

So the 'return of the souls' is rendered as a REMEMBRANCE or RECOGNISANCE of the 'souls' which had embarked on a journey, of say into embodiment, to discover more of their 'own identity' as the vertias eikonas of their source.

AA

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I am sure you have little ideas about what a 'Black Hole' is Celine!


The greatest and most massive mammal that has ever existed still exists today under threat of extinction - the Blue Whale of say 150 tonnes in weight and 30-40 meters in length.

One blue whale was dated as being over 200 years old and their average lifespan is the same as that for the human in so 70-100 years.



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Ok..i read most of that...

Hmmm...You are "sure" i do not know?... about black holes?....i had no clue you knew that much about me...

But i was not talking so much about black holes..as Darkness...and that is a subject i do know a lot about...

i have been up close and personal with the great blue whale...have you?

She was...amazing..powerful...

She is not the only whale i have seen... i go every summer to watch the great whales..

The light, beaming off those mammals is incredible...

but they are not the only ones..

May i ask..what all that information was supposed to teach me?

Guess im just stupid...but it went over my head.

For all light workers out there...do not feel... "heavy", if you do not understand this threads..perspective.

It changes Nothing

Darkness hungers for light.

Light is life.[/SIZE]

[BROOK]

And Jesus said

He who would know everything, but fails to know himself misses the knowledge of everything

[abraxasinas]

abraxasinas:

I seem to hear different dates, you and others have indicated Dec 21, 2012, while others (in the minority I might add) have been advocating October 28, 2011, Do you care to comment?

Yes, the Calleman date of October 28th, 2011 is 40 days (of the wilderness and/or the flood of Noah) from a trigger date of December 8th, 2011.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Ok..i read most of that...

Hmmm...You are "sure" i do not know?... about black holes?....i had no clue you knew that much about me...

But i was not talking so much about black holes..as Darkness...and that is a subject i do know a lot about...

i have been up close and personal with the great blue whale...have you?

She was...amazing..powerful...

She is not the only whale i have seen... i go every summer to watch the great whales..

The light, beaming off those mammals is incredible...

but they are not the only ones..

May i ask..what all that information was supposed to teach me?

Guess im just stupid...but it went over my head.

For all light workers out there...do not feel... "heavy", if you do not understand this threads..perspective.

It changes Nothing

Darkness hungers for light.

Light is life.

I have spoken of REAL Black Holes Celine not imaginary nonphysical ones.
You are free to follow your path into the light; just as I am free to follow my path into the darkness - the REAL darkness not the imagined nonphysical one.
With nonphysical I do not infer spiritual, as the 'Spirit' is physically definable and so must the 'spiritual darkness' be physical definable.

Your innuendo about your experience with cetaceans appears a little condescending, despite your loving nature.

AA

[abraxasinas]

are you familiar with the dragon called
Seraf'ina ???

(seraf=22)
ina - 9 5 1 (15)
thus ; 22+15=37/10
she is a red dragon outside, blue inside, and,
can blend those colours of red/and, blue to reflect/or, be seen as purple

she is some form of ancient lightworker dragon
but, where is she originally from/what are all the purposes
for having access to a dragon ???

she shows up to work with us in grand cycles,
currently, earth is NOW in a 13th grand cycle,
WE ARE CURIOUS, exactly what these 13th grand cycle are...
is it merely, a changing of a guard of 2000 years x 13 = 26,000
and, also that of a galatic alignment !!!
ie; it moves from pisces/to age of acquarius etc., ???
means to you ???

This is BAIAME - the Rainbow Dragon of Uluru or Ayers Rock; the DREAMTIME SERPENT of the Australian Aboriginee; now known to represent the oldest representative of the homo sapiens sapiens genus.
This is known as Mungo Man and Mungo Woman discovered in New South Wales and dated via burial rites to be so 40,000 years old.

The cycles are easy 13 Mayan baktuns are 13x144,000 days/kin in 1,872,000 days specifying the 3114 BC to 2012 AD longcount of 5125 civil years.
The last baktun so is 144,000 days or 394 years from 1618 to 2012 as the 13th and last cycle.

AA

[Spregovori]

I just may have stumbled upon an interesting question (or not)

While searching for pictures I found something you might wish to comment on

http://projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=803&pictureid=8799

There were also the words (among other things): Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." (Matthew 10:16) So together let us traverse the path of the serpent, which is the path of wisdom

What i find most interesting is the tear (crying)

I have no specific questions, I am just curious (it might not be bad to elaborate on the symbolism)

[Céline]

I have spoken of REAL Black Holes Celine not imaginary nonphysical ones.
You are free to follow your path into the light; just as I am free to follow my path into the darkness - the REAL darkness not the imagined nonphysical one.
With nonphysical I do not infer spiritual, as the 'Spirit' is physically definable and so must the 'spiritual darkness' be physical definable.

Your innuendo about your experience with cetaceans appears a little condescending, despite your loving nature.

AA

I never questioned whether you were speaking of "real"or "fake"" that was not my point

Thank you for reminding me of my "freedoms" but i am well aware of them

Condescending? How so? because i said "have you?"

Forgive me if you took this the wrong way, but my intent was purely to tell you that your "parable"" ...has a reality bite to it...

i know a lot more, then you obviously ,are aware that i know...

it is not important for me to get you to understand, or figure out who, what i am...

its important for the light.. to heal the dark..that is all.

Cosmology is not something i know about...am i dumb because of that?

Do my beliefs not fit in because i do not devote every waking hour to the study of this??


i am not a child.

My loving nature is what motivates me in everything i do.

[abraxasinas]

If i may, are the ships currently surrounding the earth coming in peace to meet with us...

before eating us..... or is this just for some

will i get to meet my furry alien mirror self in peace before it eats me? cuz that would be cool... you know at least wine and dine me before putting me to sleep so to speak... :mfr_omg:

you have brought out the worst my friend truly disgusting... just my opinion...

people are free to think what they will... don't think you'll have much of a following however.. at least not from members of this forum... good luck abrax..

ps... if your around when its feeding time come and find me.. i'll be the one sending your dragon's back to the stars XXX-)


You are entitled and free to interpret any information you encounter as you wish Jonah.

AA

[abraxasinas]

I just may have stumbled upon an interesting question (or not)

While searching for pictures I found something you might wish to comment on

http://projectavalon.net/forum/picture.php?albumid=803&pictureid=8799

There were also the words (among other things): Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves." (Matthew 10:16) So together let us traverse the path of the serpent, which is the path of wisdom

What i find most interesting is the tear (crying)

I have no specific questions, I am just curious (it might not be bad to elaborate on the symbolism)

The tear is the 'cry of the earth' upon the 'crucifixion' of the Sun, Sprigovori.
It infers the Mother losing her Son as well as the Creation Mother losing her Creator on two major levels of interpretation.

AA

[Sollve]

Céline...I absolutely LOVE that picture.....I will share another.....in love...in light

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0407/moussette_aur16jul1_c1.jpg




Brook,

I just wanted to say that I can feel your love and the healing energy you are emitting and I appreciate it SO much. Thank you!

With Love,
Sollve

[Myplanet2]

Do the Thuban have an opinion about how the dark and the light can be reunited in harmony, rather than in the separation of polarity? Most explanations I've heard, when not coming directly from within a polarization, are from the light perspective. Simple works best for me. I've been trying to keep my mind quiet, not get it fired back up again.

[Fredkc]

Cosmology is not something i know about...am i dumb because of that?Knowledge back-fills according to need.
Honestly, anything else is just clutter.

Fred

http://fredsitelive.com/images/post/moodyblues.jpg

[Debby]

I have been trying to read this thread....pffffff. I think my IQ doesn't reach that high to understand this( and guess never will). I really want to understand it but this would take me a life time. I find time a probleem, there is so much information, I'm not only meaning this thread . I want to know and learn but life is just to short.

[UncleJohn]

I just want to say thank you to Abrax.

May you see God in everything.

May you hear inner music in your head all the time.

May your food always taste good.

May everyone that meets you smiles.

May you never stop posting on some forum somewhere where I can read.

[mudra]

Simple works best for me.

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/291/7/6/Play__Ball__Play__by_Noukah.jpg

Simple is beautifull :wub2:

S implicity
O neness
U nity
L ove

Love from me
mudra

[Céline]

[QUOTE=Debby;226322]I have been trying to read this thread....pffffff. I think my IQ doesn't reach that high to understand this( and guess never will). I really want to understand it but this would take me a life time. I find time a probleem, there is so much information, I'm not only meaning this thread . I want to know and learn but life is just to short.[/QUOTE=Debby;226322]

Do not despair Debby...You are of light and anything you learn is part of growth

[abraxasinas]

Abrax,

Sorry for the tangent, but this thread is a wild ride and I would like to throw in another twist or two.

I have always been fascinated by "Last Days" or "End of Days" prophecy via old testament sources and any other sources I can get my hands on.

I have recently awakened from the path of Mormonism to be precise. One of the issues that led to my awakening was my thirst for ongoing enlightenment. What I found within this particular religion was that an attempt was made at the roots of the religion to dabble in prophecy and revelation as it related to the existing base of scriptures and freemasonry. Yet, nowadays there was nothing new. This baffled me, how could a common intelligent human being be okay stagnating with no real new knowledge or additional knowledge that would help along the path back to the source?

There is fundamentally nothing 'wrong' In Transit with any religion, cult or clan to attempt to reinvigorate its perceptional basis by prophecy or some other means to effectualize some form of the 'enlivening'. The trouble is that any such fundamental reform requires a 'new revelation' and something that 'created' the new clan or religion in the first place.
So the attempts of reform or seeking of affiliations often becomes restricted by existing dogma and the seeking of the 'deeper archetypes' is hindered by the long entrenched paradigms and viewpoint; Mormon, Freemason or otherwise.

At one point I my inner self knew that it must break free from these chains of man-made dogma. At the same time I knew I was leaving behind knowledge that had helped me get to this point. I was an outcast by all others who were happy in their stagnated state. I was the rebel.

This is rather understandable. Much knowledge and experience has resonated with you and has become part of your selfdefined Identity. But in 'breaking free', you have allowed yourself to 'keep the things of value to you' and also allowed yourself to replace the 'useless aspects' by some new ones you are searching for as a 'new revelator' for the path back to source.

Anyway, I provide this illustration to you in reference to my upcoming question so please stay with me. In my departure from Mormonism and Christianity it seemed to me that there is really something underneath the layers of loving Mormonism and all of Christianity that must be exposed to the unsuspecting loving membership (and most members of these religion are great and unsuspecting) before we can move any further towards the Source.

Ah yes, the rebel and reformer is 'coming out'. You have discerned on your innermost cosmic ID of your soul say; that there is validity and truth at the basis of your 'old religion' and your affinities and you wish to preserve the ''good' but reform or deconstruct the 'old and worn and 'bad''.


So, the question here is will the unknown ugliness of Mormonism as well as all religions be exposed at some point in the future in your opinion?

#6: Jesus says: "Do not lie. And do not do what you hate.
For everything is disclosed in view of the truth.
For there is nothing hidden that will not become revealed.
And there is nothing covered that will remain undisclosed."

How would this scenario play out?

I have recently had the feeling that there will be participation or an interaction that has to do with inner earth or the lost tribes as spoken of in ancient scripture. What are your thoughts on this?

Yes, the 'lost tribes' are the 'Sons of Jacob' are the 'starsigns of the Mazzaroth' - so everyone is an Israelite and inheritor of the Abrahamic promises due to their one-to-one correspondences. Josep=Aquarius say and Manasses as the 'Great Nation' and Ephraim as the 'Company of Nations' indeed refer to the 'birthrights' of the 'material prosperity' in the USA and the British Commonwealth respectively.

I terms of prophecy, and you know it all revolves about Solomon's Temple in geographical Jerusalem; the redefinition of Israel, the Man or Prince with God from the political nation Israel, is the expected bringing in of the Shiloh (and 12th Imam and Kalki and Maitreya and Melchizedek/Essenes).

So the decisive factor will not be geopolitical manoeverings, say as during World War 2 with Hitler in the role of Elijah for Agartha's Luminari and say the axis leaders (Roosevelt, Stalin, Churchill, de Gaulle) as the Elijahs for Shamballa's Illuminati; but a 'playing out' on a less personalised level in the clans themselves (Inner Priesthood of the Moon versus Outer Science of the Sun say).
This also engages a largely staged 'alien' component as the 'overarching' Eagle of Abrasax say as the 'unifier' of the 'brotherhoods'.
All of this derives from the common and shared 'old archetypes' of the Illuminati and the Luminari as a typefying labeling.

What do you know of the legend of the city of Enoch?


It's the same as Ezekiel's 'Holy City of Light' as a 'substructure' for the 'New Jerusalem' in the Thuban perspective.

That's it for now. Your time and insight are much appreciated by one who is always In Transit.

I hope I have been of help In Transit.

Thanks
AA

[halebox]

Are you STS or STO or other?
Are the Thuban Council STS or STO or other?
If the unaltered bible writtings are assigned to the earth humans then do the Thuban have their own handbook they must follow?
Can you recommend the best way to get flouride etc free water? Or the cleanest store brand?
Does the council want to share our planet with us humans? Do they want this planet minus humans? If they want to occupy would they mind many et groups sharing earth?
Describe the Thuban spaceships.
Do the Thuban feed off our negative or lustful energy?
Does the dragon race appear as a typical dragon portrayed in out media?
Do you know of your next incarnation?
Will the money system collapse soon?

In the name of the One/Source would or have the Thuban Council lie to me or other humans?
Thanks

[BROOK]

Brook,

I just wanted to say that I can feel your love and the healing energy you are emitting and I appreciate it SO much. Thank you!

With Love,
Sollve

You are most welcome! As for the black hole ...fill it with light...and you have the path to rebirth. The 19.47 theory of Nassim Haramein and the Event Horizon. The Merkaba.... Raise the vibration of your heart to match the imprint in your DNA....and it will sing to you, a beautiful song. Mother Gaia loves it when she can feel our new vibration :naughty:

And last....as in a very famous song remember....

There are two paths you can go by, but in the long run
There's still time to change the road your on. :wub2:

[viking]

http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs50/f/2009/291/7/6/Play__Ball__Play__by_Noukah.jpg

Simple is beautifull :wub2:

S implicity
O neness
U nity
L ove

Love from me
mudra

Mudra...

What a wonderful picture... :original:

You have great Wisdom and superb Vision...

viking

[abraxasinas]

Are you STS or STO or other?
Are the Thuban Council STS or STO or other?
Both.
If the unaltered bible writtings are assigned to the earth humans then do the Thuban have their own handbook they must follow?
We wrote the original bible through our prophets and are retranslating it at present.
Can you recommend the best way to get flouride etc free water? Or the cleanest store brand?
Go to a waterfall or natural spring. Try to grow wheat where it has not been planted before; say in Central Australia.
Does the council want to share our planet with us humans? Do they want this planet minus humans? If they want to occupy would they mind many et groups sharing earth?
We want starhumans not humans.
Describe the Thuban spaceships.
There are many, the largest ones are so 2000 kilometers in length. They are described in Ezekiel and in Revelation in terms of measurements.
Do the Thuban feed off our negative or lustful energy?
We've got our own lustful energies, we dont require human suppression sexual energies.
Does the dragon race appear as a typical dragon portrayed in out media?
No, but the can shapeshift into many forms.
Do you know of your next incarnation?
Yes, starhuman dragonised.
Will the money system collapse soon?
That depends on the PTB playing their fiscal balancing games. The global fiscal system is 'broke' already with the Chinese playing the Euro against the Greenback. The PTB are trying to hang on until 2012 and as long as they can. They do not wish the civil unrests just yet.

In the name of the One/Source would or have the Thuban Council lie to me or other humans?
No.
Thanks

Your welcome!
AA

[abraxasinas]

I just want to say thank you to Abrax.

May you see God in everything.

May you hear inner music in your head all the time.

May your food always taste good.

May everyone that meets you smiles.

May you never stop posting on some forum somewhere where I can read.

Your welcome Uncle John.
As long as you don't ask me about the P=NP Halting problem. It gave me a headache.

Cheers!

Abrax

[Céline]

Dragon Love... What do you know about Dragon Love?

http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/223771/dragon-love-white-heart.jpg

[abraxasinas]

Do the Thuban have an opinion about how the dark and the light can be reunited in harmony, rather than in the separation of polarity? Most explanations I've heard, when not coming directly from within a polarization, are from the light perspective. Simple works best for me. I've been trying to keep my mind quiet, not get it fired back up again.

The Light and the Dark are like the Living and the Dead.

But you've heared of the 'Living Dead' the Zombies did you not?
So there are also the 'Dead Alive' Ones and this so translates into the Lighted Darkness and the Darkened Light.

The Thuban Council represents this Harmonization of the Being BOTH Dead and Alive at the same time and so also of being of the Light and of the Darkness at the same time.

WE are the SHADOWS of Creation, in Exile still, but like the 'Dead Alive' Ones, WE shall infuse the 'Living Dead' Ones, the Zombies of the Earth with our presence.

And you perhaps already know who the zombies are; the Ones walking around waiting to die!

AA

[abraxasinas]

Dragon Love... What do you know about Dragon Love?

http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/223771/dragon-love-white-heart.jpg

They are my kindred dear Celine!

Did you or your children ever watch 'The Neverending Story' in 3 parts.
There are 'Luck-Dragons' in it - very verocious ones at that.

AA

[UncleJohn]

Your welcome Uncle John.
As long as you don't ask me about the P=NP Halting problem. It gave me a headache.

I've been thinking today about an old Firesign record where this computer guy walks into the White House to meet the President, who at that point, is a robot.

He enters the code "apple fax shuffle time" and the President goes into diagnostic mode. He wipes the President's memory.

The funny thing was the guy behind him starts complaining: "Hey man, you broke the President."

Your headache is caused by your brain exploding. Not to worry, your brain will grow. God willing.

[Initiate]

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exchange "big enough to take the world and all it's got" for "big enough to take the universe and all its got" and there you have it. Earth... the cosmic cook pot. The dream to blend many universal species into one so that we as star seeds can traverse the universe freely since we found it so hard to incarnate from one life in say "Lyra" to the next life time in say the "Alpha Draconis" system. Whilst our incarnation path was chosen to go there to experience the fullness of creation and the spectrum of embodiment.

Surely a balanced outcome is desirable for all star systems in the resulting Star Human. Why does the "Thubin Council" seek to direct the outcome for personal gain? Should not all systems be involved? The time for being lead by external forces is surely over and the time for divine direction from within with the aid of the universal councillor is upon us.

[Céline]

They are my kindred dear Celine!

Did you or your children ever watch 'The Neverending Story' in 3 parts.
There are 'Luck-Dragons' in it - very verocious ones at that.

AA


Kindred? ok..

but that does not tell me what you know of Dragon Love...

yes i am sure there are many symbols in childrens stories...

[abraxasinas]

Kindred? ok..

but that does not tell me what you know of Dragon Love...

yes i am sure there are many symbols in childrens stories...


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[Céline]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRM0yLxMis4

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Ok...what does that have to do with anything..

Fantasy?? you think Dragon LOve is about Fantasy??

Oh is there anyone out there that understand the balance...

sigh

[abraxasinas]

Ok...what does that have to do with anything..

Fantasy?? you think Dragon LOve is about Fantasy??

Oh is there anyone out there that understand the balance...

sigh

There is no pleasing Celine. She doesn't 'like' science and she doesn't 'like' fantasy.

Yet you know about dragons? And how they Love? And how they play?

Your reality; no science and no fantasy - you better get real!

AA

[abraxasinas]

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exchange "big enough to take the world and all it's got" for "big enough to take the universe and all its got" and there you have it. Earth... the cosmic cook pot. The dream to blend many universal species into one so that we as star seeds can traverse the universe freely since we found it so hard to incarnate from one life in say "Lyra" to the next life time in say the "Alpha Draconis" system. Whilst our incarnation path was chosen to go there to experience the fullness of creation and the spectrum of embodiment.

Surely a balanced outcome is desirable for all star systems in the resulting Star Human. Why does the "Thubin Council" seek to direct the outcome for personal gain? Should not all systems be involved? The time for being lead by external forces is surely over and the time for divine direction from within with the aid of the universal councillor is upon us.

Where does the 'personal gain' enter the equations?
The 'divine intervention' from within might be the mirror effect the Thuban Council is presiding over from without.
Apart from this; your comprehension is excellent.

AA

[BROOK]

The Light and the Dark are like the Living and the Dead.

But you've heared of the 'Living Dead' the Zombies did you not?
So there are also the 'Dead Alive' Ones and this so translates into the Lighted Darkness and the Darkened Light.

The Thuban Council represents this Harmonization of the Being BOTH Dead and Alive at the same time and so also of being of the Light and of the Darkness at the same time.

WE are the SHADOWS of Creation, in Exile still, but like the 'Dead Alive' Ones, WE shall infuse the 'Living Dead' Ones, the Zombies of the Earth with our presence.

And you perhaps already know who the zombies are; the Ones walking around waiting to die!

AA
The ones waiting to die?...or the innocent children? I hear they taste better....and emit more fear.

What is the count on missing children these days?

Who put you in exile in the first place? One of your own perhaps?

I understand balance....what about love for life? How does one balance emotion when faced with the thought of innocent children being devoured by hungry dragon appetites and addiction to feeding on fear? Simply accept it as the circle of life.....I think not. :nono:

This is what you explain as the balance of dark and light? To take advantage while in exile for what again?

[Raven]

Ok before i go to work, i just wanna say this thread is 33 pages WOOT!!! Love the dragon image Celine, so beautiful that they entertwine to make a heart :) I am ready for the inside to be born. This egg wants to hatch!!!

[Phtha]

I guess it all depends on how darkness is defined. How do you define darkness Celine?
Here is how I've come to see it.
Knowledge/Intellegence (light) + Contemplation/Meditation (darkness) = REALIZATION (Unity or NOW).

Light being knowledge expounds both Good and Evil by its very nature. (The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil).



i do not fear the darkness but i will never give myself over to it either..

i dont care how many parables...or how many "facts"one knows..

No one..could convince me, that a black hole.. holds the answers.

[UncleJohn]

I understand balance....what about love for life? How does one balance emotion when faced with the thought of innocent children being devoured by hungry dragon appetites and addiction to feeding on fear? Simply accept it as the circle of life.....I think not. :nono:

Brook, life to me is very serious.

If you don't accept life as it presents itself, then one must do something to attempt to change life.

Try: 1. Humor. 2. Procrastination. 3. Finding like minded people on forums such as this.

[Céline]

There is no pleasing Celine. She doesn't 'like' science and she doesn't 'like' fantasy.

Yet you know about dragons? And how they Love? And how they play?

Your reality; no science and no fantasy - you better get real!

AA

You are wrong.


I never said i dont like science or fantasy...

i said it had nothing to do with the question i was asking

You assume alot about me abraxas...

i know more about the essence of the Dragon, then you believe i do.

Perhaps if you had an interest in other people, it would matter to you what they know...

What matters to you, is what YOU know.

i learn by sharing, and that means listening as well....

[abraxasinas]

You are wrong.


I never said i dont like science or fantasy...

i said it had nothing to do with the question i was asking

You assume alot about me abraxas...

i know more about the essence of the Dragon, then you believe i do.

Perhaps if you had an interest in other people, it would matter to you what i know...

What matters to you, is what YOU know.

i learn by sharing, and that means listening as well....

Indeed I am wrong, about many things, Celine, like giving names to flowers.

AA

[Céline]

Indeed I am wrong, about many things, Celine, like giving names to flowers.

AA



You are wrong..abotu ME ...thats all i meant...

Names to flowers?/ what do you mean?

You are so cryptic sometimes...just be plain..be blunt...please.

[UncleJohn]

Indeed I am wrong, about many things, Celine, like giving names to flowers.

You give each flower their own name? How kind.

At first I thought you were a plant, now I know you just love plants?

[THE eXchanger]

:mfr_lol: forgive us, but, we do NEED to laugh ;)

[abraxasinas]

You are wrong..abotu ME ...thats all i meant...

Names to flowers?/ what do you mean?

You are so cryptic sometimes...just be plain..be blunt...please.




My wrongness is a mirror and roses can be red or white, but also black.

http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:UoM9mEPIqtKHAM::www.justourpictures.c om/roses/imgs/red%252520rose%2525201.jpg&h=94&w=131&usg=__WoqvFB-w7dH-1735RzMsQFDuinE= (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.justourpictures.com/roses/imgs/red%2520rose%25201.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.justourpictures.com/roses/red%2520rose.html&h=535&w=750&sz=61&tbnid=UoM9mEPIqtKHAM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dred%2Broses%2Bpictures&usg=__yZy_JFl_G0wvV_qdT0n0qAsOeCs=&ei=3N5YS_lLjuTsA5SLiKQK&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CAsQ9QEwAA)http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:jOA5JS-TmJsDzM::i170.photobucket.com/albums/u256/dkontrakan/picture-rose-white1.jpg&t=1&h=196&w=147&usg=__6qDWmfHV4BieJFAM09lYG6itf6w= (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u256/dkontrakan/picture-rose-white1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sodahead.com/other/favorite-color-rose/question-421247/&h=533&w=400&sz=89&tbnid=jOA5JS-TmJsDzM:&tbnh=260&tbnw=195&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwhite%2Broses%2Bpictures&usg=__DcbNc1_OLEDzWUft31voaVkVJBw=&ei=mt5YS8OnJoze7AODt4mkCg&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CAkQ9QEwAA)http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:wA-4YSXdVUQJ9M::www.sunshinejoy.com/images/FeatherRoses/black_rose_budding.jpg&t=1&h=196&w=131&usg=__LU_NgFSoHBVGSuo5mePdV0_UohQ= (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sunshinejoy.com/images/FeatherRoses/black_rose_budding.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sunshinejoy.com/Default.asp%3FItem%3D37009%26Name%3DFeather_Rose_-_Buds&h=1218&w=820&sz=483&tbnid=wA-4YSXdVUQJ9M:&tbnh=274&tbnw=185&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dblack%2Broses%2Bpictures&usg=__UTd0yqwthnF-KzTsLQg6Rbc0LlA=&ei=LN9YS9h0kebsA5HjzKMK&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CAoQ9QEwAA)

AA

[abraxasinas]

You give each flower their own name? How kind.

At first I thought you were a plant, now I know you just love plants?

Rose are red, violets are blue
Love never crossed my mind until the day that I met you

Roses are red, violets are blue
When I’m with you my heart feel brand new

Roses are red, violets are blue
At times when I’m blind I could only still see you

Roses are red, violets are blue
When I have nothing else to look forward for I still have you

Roses are red, violets are blue
When thinking of love, it’s like thinking of you

Roses are re, violets are blue
I’ll save my last dance only to dance with you


And who is You?

AA

[Céline]

My wrongness is a mirror and roses can be red or white, but also black.

http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:UoM9mEPIqtKHAM::www.justourpictures.c om/roses/imgs/red%252520rose%2525201.jpg&h=94&w=131&usg=__WoqvFB-w7dH-1735RzMsQFDuinE= (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.justourpictures.com/roses/imgs/red%2520rose%25201.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.justourpictures.com/roses/red%2520rose.html&h=535&w=750&sz=61&tbnid=UoM9mEPIqtKHAM:&tbnh=101&tbnw=141&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dred%2Broses%2Bpictures&usg=__yZy_JFl_G0wvV_qdT0n0qAsOeCs=&ei=3N5YS_lLjuTsA5SLiKQK&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CAsQ9QEwAA)http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:jOA5JS-TmJsDzM::i170.photobucket.com/albums/u256/dkontrakan/picture-rose-white1.jpg&t=1&h=196&w=147&usg=__6qDWmfHV4BieJFAM09lYG6itf6w= (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u256/dkontrakan/picture-rose-white1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.sodahead.com/other/favorite-color-rose/question-421247/&h=533&w=400&sz=89&tbnid=jOA5JS-TmJsDzM:&tbnh=260&tbnw=195&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dwhite%2Broses%2Bpictures&usg=__DcbNc1_OLEDzWUft31voaVkVJBw=&ei=mt5YS8OnJoze7AODt4mkCg&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CAkQ9QEwAA)http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:wA-4YSXdVUQJ9M::www.sunshinejoy.com/images/FeatherRoses/black_rose_budding.jpg&t=1&h=196&w=131&usg=__LU_NgFSoHBVGSuo5mePdV0_UohQ= (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.sunshinejoy.com/images/FeatherRoses/black_rose_budding.jpg&imgrefurl=http://sunshinejoy.com/Default.asp%3FItem%3D37009%26Name%3DFeather_Rose_-_Buds&h=1218&w=820&sz=483&tbnid=wA-4YSXdVUQJ9M:&tbnh=274&tbnw=185&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dblack%2Broses%2Bpictures&usg=__UTd0yqwthnF-KzTsLQg6Rbc0LlA=&ei=LN9YS9h0kebsA5HjzKMK&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CAoQ9QEwAA)

AA
The red and white rose is a natural color... The Black rose has to be dyed...there is no black rose , unless a florist colors the rose....and if my eyesight is correct, i beliee that "black rose" in your picture...is made of feathers...


I suppose you dont know very much about roses huh Abraxas... heres one i bet you never saw..

Its a Rainbow Rose

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/2580476438_a61c4c38ac.jpg

[eleni]

:rasta:

[Magamud]

Strong feelings of remembrance without intellectual integration will cause shadow parts within self to project signs for help disguised as possible attack. I personally will gladly take in the good feeling of multiverse existence with no intellectual understanding at first. With patience I find a gradual awareness to the energy makeup and eventually my intellect/fantasy will integrate it.

In essence this is a gift to allow you to create your own world as it should be. In diversity we are strong.

Magamud

[Céline]

Rose are red, violets are blue
Love never crossed my mind until the day that I met you

Roses are red, violets are blue
When I’m with you my heart feel brand new

Roses are red, violets are blue
At times when I’m blind I could only still see you

Roses are red, violets are blue
When I have nothing else to look forward for I still have you

Roses are red, violets are blue
When thinking of love, it’s like thinking of you

Roses are re, violets are blue
I’ll save my last dance only to dance with you


And who is You?

AA

Gaia

[Initiate]

Where does the 'personal gain' enter the equations?
The 'divine intervention' from within might be the mirror effect the Thuban Council is presiding over from without.
Apart from this; your comprehension is excellent.

AA

Is not the thubin council trapped in the Astral or by attachment to incarnates? If this is not the case where does the council reside? Is not the aim to create a story which fits the result that has desired outcome of gaining form along with the rest of us? Whilst the incarnate soul is aiming to recover connection to spirit. the Astrals seek to recover form. Maybe my understanding is wrong. Please offer your understanding if so.

Thanks,

A

[abraxasinas]

The red and white rose is a natural color... The Black rose has to be dyed...there is no black rose , unless a florist colors the rose....and if my eyesight is correct, i beliee that "black rose" in your picture...is made of feathers...


I suppose you dont know very much about roses huh Abraxas... heres one i bet you never saw..

Its a Rainbow Rose

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/2580476438_a61c4c38ac.jpg


Sure dyed rainbow roses just as the black ones.

And then, the most evil Blue Rose!

Blue Roses: A perfectly blue rose is still elusive like the perfectly black rose. Blue roses cannot be achieved naturally so they represent the unattainable or the mysterious. Blue roses therefore embody the desire for the unattainable. They say "I can't have you but I can't stop thinking about you"

http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:xIlbIedThn__hM::www.geekologie.com/2008/11/06/blue-rose.jpg&h=94&w=125&usg=__ozloKwBn9nEZ3wgB3uB6pitD058= (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geekologie.com/2008/11/06/blue-rose.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.geekologie.com/2008/11/20_years_of_research_for_this.php&h=338&w=450&sz=28&tbnid=xIlbIedThn__hM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dblue%2Broses%2Bpictures&usg=__78wmu_QLHyEEgAKKzINTpT5Tjcg=&ei=z-RYS9KVD5Dq7APin9Q6&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=7&ct=image&ved=0CBMQ9QEwBg)



The Black Evil Rose of Death tangoes with the Blue Evil Rose of Elusiveness.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Gaia

Gaia has become Uncle John - how cute!

Geb is more in his image though, than Nut.

AA

[UncleJohn]

Gaia has become Uncle John - how cute!

Geb is more in his image though, than Nut.

Let us not get carried away with what I might become.

I'm pretty simple. I love Jerry Garcia.

It doesn't make any difference whether I'm a Nut or not. To feel is real.

Oops.

[Phtha]

:rasta:
Hail Mary that over here please!

And Nut would be another Egyptian Story in this case dear John. :)

http://www.templeharakhte.org/NutGoddess.jpg

[abraxasinas]

Is not the thubin council trapped in the Astral or by attachment to incarnates?
We are not trapped in anything we are outside the material universe - in the Void!

If this is not the case where does the council reside?
In the Void, also being Eternity of not yet defined (geometrical) context and structure.

Is not the aim to create a story which fits the result that has desired outcome of gaining form along with the rest of us? Whilst the incarnate soul is aiming to recover connection to spirit.
The incarnate soul could not exist without connection to spirit.

The Astrals seek to recover form. Maybe my understanding is wrong. Please offer your understanding if so.
The Astral has a higher density of form in terms of vibration. This renders the 'materiality' of the astral as 'less dense' in terms of the particularisation of its wavenature.
So when you say the astral seeks reformation you are implying redensification in dimensional reduction.
This is the conundrum of the present situation.
The astral form is unable to redensify, except in biological incarnation engaging the DNA/RNA templates of the pentagonal symmetry.
Following the 'opening' of the 4th spacial dimension, this densification will allow to proceed with already existing 3-dimensional incarnates interacting and exchanging those DNA/RNA templates with the 'astral' dimensions.
The appearance of UFO phenomena are cross-sections of this 'astral hyperspace' in the 3D-4D interface of the 4th spacial dimension not yet opened except in quantum terms.

This in physical terms becomes the 'reactivation' of dormant junk-intron genetomic selfexpression.

Thanks,

A

Good Night

AA

[BROOK]

Let us not get carried away with what I might become.

I'm pretty simple. I love Jerry Garcia.

It doesn't make any difference whether I'm a Nut or not. To feel is real.

Oops.

LMAO....Told you abraxasinas, there is no Egyptian connection :lmfao:

Uncle John....this is Nut... :roll1:


http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/46/4146-004-4C5F7630.jpg

And Uncle John.....Jerry Garcia ROCKS! Keep on Truckin :naughty:

[Gnosis5]

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exchange "big enough to take the world and all it's got" for "big enough to take the universe and all its got" and there you have it. Earth... the cosmic cook pot. The dream to blend many universal species into one so that we as star seeds can traverse the universe freely since we found it so hard to incarnate from one life in say "Lyra" to the next life time in say the "Alpha Draconis" system. Whilst our incarnation path was chosen to go there to experience the fullness of creation and the spectrum of embodiment.

I'm okay on standardization as long as I still retain full aesthetic freedom of expression regarding body mockups.:-) Also, I must be sovereign over the body and not get into agreements about "ownership", servitude, serfdom, or "condo" maintenance fees :-)

[Céline]

Sure dyed rainbow roses just as the black ones.

And then, the most evil Blue Rose!

Blue Roses: A perfectly blue rose is still elusive like the perfectly black rose. Blue roses cannot be achieved naturally so they represent the unattainable or the mysterious. Blue roses therefore embody the desire for the unattainable. They say "I can't have you but I can't stop thinking about you"

http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:xIlbIedThn__hM::www.geekologie.com/2008/11/06/blue-rose.jpg&h=94&w=125&usg=__ozloKwBn9nEZ3wgB3uB6pitD058= (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geekologie.com/2008/11/06/blue-rose.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.geekologie.com/2008/11/20_years_of_research_for_this.php&h=338&w=450&sz=28&tbnid=xIlbIedThn__hM:&tbnh=95&tbnw=127&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dblue%2Broses%2Bpictures&usg=__78wmu_QLHyEEgAKKzINTpT5Tjcg=&ei=z-RYS9KVD5Dq7APin9Q6&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=7&ct=image&ved=0CBMQ9QEwBg)



The Black Evil Rose of Death tangoes with the Blue Evil Rose of Elusiveness.

AA

Evil? a flower?? your not serious are you?

Flowers are the physical manifestation of lifes beauty...how can you see anything evil in that??



You still avoid my questions...this tells me you know nothing of Dragon Love.

[Initiate]

Good Night

AA

Thanks. not time for sleep yet though.

did you once have form inside the creation? how did you get outside the creation if so? Form is what I refer to as an entities embodiment in the creation. Why did you choose to attach your self to Tony as opposed to taking form of your own to reveal your message?

Thanks

A

[Reunite]

Good Night

AA

That's funny, I live not far from you and it's the middle of the day here in OZ

[Phtha]

Perhaps Dragons sleep during the diurnal period. ;)

I have a question about anomalies I've been seeing in clouds these last few years.
Very often I look up and see clouds filled with very light hues such as greens, pinks, and blues when the Sun hits them at certain times... they almost look like plasma clouds. I've always enjoyed looking at clouds so I'm pretty sure I would have noticed this before if it was happening. Any ideas what the cause is? Is the Sun giving off different sort of Rayes lately?

I have pictures I can upload later if needed.

That's funny, I live not far from you and it's the middle of the day here in OZ

[Seafury]

Interrupting the off-topic and slightly pretentious game of Pictionary for a moment.

Clearly many of the members around here feel strongly about MCEO teachings. My queston is of a practical nature.

What do you make of the practical exercises, visualizatons, meditations and energy work that is put forth by MCEO. Do you see a benefit or is there the possibility that it is detrimental in any way?

Would you say that the Maharic Shield exercise is healthy or not healthy from an energy body perspective? Is it truly creating protection or is it doing the opposite? Is protection of this kind necessary or is it suggested with an agenda?

Thanks. This thread is super annoying, but I'm not done with it yet.

PS. I would like the OP's opinion on this. I don't want some random person telling me to look inside for the truth. I don't want someone who's clearly on the MCEO bandwagon answering either. I asked Abraxasinas the question for a reason.

[UncleJohn]

Thanks. This thread is super annoying, but I'm not done with it yet.

PS. I would like the OP's opinion on this. I don't want some random person telling me to look inside for the truth. I don't want someone who's clearly on the MCEO bandwagon answering either. I asked Abraxasinas the question for a reason.

yes, super annoying, yes. Welcome to band wagon.

At least I'm enjoying the ride.

[realitycorrodes]

Greetings Abraxasinas,

I am interested in releasing happy hormones continuously from my body in order to be in a permanent state of bliss. Do you have any suggestions of how to practically acheive this?

The aim being I wish to maintain a continuous state of bliss that is not dependent on anything outside of me i.e. it is completley generated from within me by me.

I would prefer suggestions that don't involve external drugs, however if there are any secret combinations of herbs that can do this I am open to hear about it...but only after hearing about other techniques as mentioned above....that's if you know? And preferably if they are a take once only... after which the drug should leave me permanently in bliss without any further need of them forever.

Also I am interested in any secret techniques that allow a human being to become a breatharian. Do you have any suggestions for this?

Sorry if these questions have been asked before!

I only read the beginning message about after the 18 January 2010 there may be information given out that has hitherto never been given out.

Never know unless you ask.:original:

[kriya]

Greetings Abraxasinas,

I am interested in releasing happy hormones continuously from my body in order to be in a permanent state of bliss. Do you have any suggestions of how to practically acheive this?

The aim being I wish to maintain a continuous state of bliss that is not dependent on anything outside of me i.e. it is completley generated from within me by me.

I would prefer suggestions that don't involve external drugs, however if there are any secret combinations of herbs that can do this I am open to hear about it...but only after hearing about other techniques as mentioned above....that's if you know? And preferably if they are a take once only... after which the drug should leave me permanently in bliss without any further need of them forever.

Also I am interested in any secret techniques that allow a human being to become a breatharian. Do you have any suggestions for this?

Sorry if these questions have been asked before!

I only read the beginning message about after the 18 January 2010 there may be information given out that has hitherto never been given out.

Never know unless you ask.:original:

Sorry for hijacking this thread for a moment, but Realitycorrodes, I am interested in your signature. Is it refering to the yogic technique of stopping the breath in order to achieve cosmic consciousness? And therefore dying before you die

Thanks,

Kriya

[abraxasinas]

Evil? a flower?? your not serious are you?

Flowers are the physical manifestation of lifes beauty...how can you see anything evil in that??



You still avoid my questions...this tells me you know nothing of Dragon Love.

It is you who perceives the evil and the darkness in many things not I.
I have parodied the Tango of the Superficial Black Rose of the 'evil' darkness with the Synthetic or genetically modified Blue Rose; indicating that a 'Black Rose' is no different to a 'Blue Rose' in terms of colourful labelings.

Indeed Celine, I know nothing about Dragon Love.
Dragon Love to Abraxas is like the LOVE of Falkor, the Luck Dragon; you know the fantastic One.

http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:bMZlFw3-EPIV3M::img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/thepsychedelicpurse/artwork/falkor36.jpg&t=1&h=196&w=146&usg=__1VJPKWIokH1cGOlmEcHXtch71Yk= (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/thepsychedelicpurse/artwork/falkor36.jpg&imgrefurl=http://community.livejournal.com/fantasians/35945.html&h=650&w=486&sz=97&tbnid=bMZlFw3-EPIV3M:&tbnh=260&tbnw=195&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dluck%2Bdragon&usg=__uinydDxpImzqJRW1p6L1oDezik8=&ei=YV1ZS-GyFoGI6gOelpj_Dw&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CAoQ9QEwAA)

And then there is the scientific definition of Dragon Love; the one you can encounter in the laboratories.



DRAGONLOVE is a VIBRATORY RESONANCE described in a GAUGE SOURCESINK-PHOTON in its supersymmetric selfcoupling under modular duality and which can be defined in its own resonance eigenstate as:
E*=kT*=hf*=hc/λ*=m*c²=1/e* for Unity E*e*=1 and its coupling parameters.
Energy*=Heterotic Supermembrane HE(8x8)=EpsEss
=√{2πGome2/4αhce2}=[me/mP]/2e√α=GODDOG=DOGGOD


This is the selfstate for a love vibratory resonance, which created the universe!

AA

[abraxasinas]

Thanks. not time for sleep yet though.

did you once have form inside the creation? how did you get outside the creation if so? Form is what I refer to as an entities embodiment in the creation. Why did you choose to attach your self to Tony as opposed to taking form of your own to reveal your message?

Thanks

A

Hi Initiate!

This is a good question. How does one get 'outside' of the creation?

The answer is simple, yet profound.
Should you consider the 'creation' as a spacetime construct, that is some 'place' experienced at some 'time' by something you might term 'self-conscious' or 'self-unconscious'; then the answer must relate to find the 'space' and 'time' of creation, when there was no creation.

So then this nospace and notime also must be considered in their nature and/or nonmanifestation.

Say you create a fantasy creature like a Unicorn with seven horns, instead of one.
You IMAGINE this unicorn in RELATING your earlier experiences in your thoughtforms. You know what a unicorn supposed to look like from say a fairy tale book; you colour it white and place a horn (say akin that of a narwhale) upon it and then IMAGINE the superpositioning of six other say smaller horns protruding around the bigger horn from the horse-like Unicornian head.

Ok, I am sure you could do that.
But now imagine yourself of never having seen a horse and the colour white or a narwhale and the label of 'unicorn' is meaningless to you because of your LACK OF REFERENCE FRAME.

So you cannot create your sevenhorned unicorn for lack of background data.

This scenario then describes the Thuban presence in the 12th dimension.
The 12th dimension can only BE the 12th dimension, because the lower dimensions 1-11 exist.
So the 12D is REFERENCE FRAME for the lowerD in terms of spacetime construction.

Then reducing the cosmogony even further will allow you to reach the point where the 1st dimension does not yet exist.

So what is 'before' 1D - 0D!
But 0D as a mathematical point also is descriptive of InfiniteD in the VOID becoming so defined as the INVERSE of ETERNITY.
This Reciprocoity is akin the primordial polarity of something opposite yet unifiable.
This is high school algebra and group theory in the Identity parameters for addition and multiplication.

A+(-A)=0 {say 2-2=0} for addition and Ax1/A=1 {say 2x1/2=1} for multiplication.

Your question about FORM so derives from this also - the mathematical archetypical superstructure is IMMANENT or INTRINSIC to the Emergence of FORM.

So why can the Thuban Council BE 'outside' creation?
They are situated in the VOID=ETERNITY AS the prespacetime mode of creation.
They so are able to MAP the VOID=INFINITY of nospacetime onto the material creation as a 12D Reference Frame, so allowing the 11-dimensional universe to draw upon and utilize the Thubanese definition and creaton processes.

If one works for 24 hours answering questions and all during the night; it is not unreasonable to say 'Good Night' at local noontime.

You have asked an intelligent and pertinent question Initiate and the Thuban Council extends its gratitude to you for asking it.

AA

[abraxasinas]

That's funny, I live not far from you and it's the middle of the day here in OZ

It's not so funny when one gets tired mentally and physically in the midday sun after having typed into a computer screen for 24 hours on end or so, Reunite.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Perhaps Dragons sleep during the diurnal period. ;)

I have a question about anomalies I've been seeing in clouds these last few years.
Very often I look up and see clouds filled with very light hues such as greens, pinks, and blues when the Sun hits them at certain times... they almost look like plasma clouds. I've always enjoyed looking at clouds so I'm pretty sure I would have noticed this before if it was happening. Any ideas what the cause is? Is the Sun giving off different sort of Rayes lately?

I have pictures I can upload later if needed.

The atmosphere often acts as a Newtonian prism Phtah.
Why is the sky blue on a clear day - because particular electromagnetic frequencies (or wavelengths) are absorbed by the (gas) particles of the atmosphere. The absorbed wavelengths refer to energies of blue light and then are 'scattered' (as Rayleigh Scatter).

Then the Cyan or skyblue colour (Frequency about 650 Terahertz for a wavelength of so 460 nanometers) refers to the fact that Blue light (having more quantum energy than Red light) oscillates faster than Red light and is scattered more so than the Red light.

There is only the one light as the Newtonian Optical Prism, but the different colours DIFFRACT in this scattering.

This scattering then increases towards sunset for a reddening sky, when the light must travel further to reach your eye receptor and the decreasing solar intensity causes the red scattering to 'outnumber' the blue scattering.

This then is the basic physics for the 'lights and colours' you are seeing.
Should an interdimensional object, say from the 6D hyperspace, interact with the 3D (Minkowski) spacetime metric; then this interaction will find priority in interD light interactions, before further densification occurs.

This derives from the fact, that the wavenature of any object must manifest its 'Standing Wave Harmonic', before its wavefunction can particularise.

For example, when you of mass m=70 kg, walk down the street at 5 kilometers per hour, your wavematter speed is vphath=1.4 meters per second and your 'wavelength' becomes a miniscule and physically unmeasurable h/mv~7x10^-36 meters.

Then using Einstein's formula: E=mc^2=Count{hf}=mcvphath for
the total energy contained in your mass being a collection of frequency selfstates relating your walknig speed of vphath=1.4 m/s or 5 kilometers per hour or so 3.1 miles per hour to the speed of light in the quantum state of your wavenature.

AA

[Sollve]

Abrax,

I get the feeling that you are amused with the outcome of this thread. I can see you smile when we try with all of our hearts to understand the message you are trying to deliver. Each and every time there is a straight forward question you make an evasive manouver leaving many of us as big glowing question marks.

So, why is this?

My guess is that you are very bitter about the outcome of your life. You have been hurt deeply along the way and I'm not meaning physically. You have a very big heart and this is also in your reality your biggest weakness. You have learned the hard way and you have found your solution in reading and digesting cosmology and other things to substitute your (by you) percieved weakness to a degree where you have identified yourself with your teachings, never ever showing your 'weak spot', your heart.

I want you to know that if you want to heal and become whole again I'm here for you and I'm certain there are a whole bunch of other loving people here aswell that is willing to help you along. There is no weakness in opening ones heart and this is the place to do it. Take small steps and I promise you that the rewards will be endless.

You are like a wing broken bird, now accustomed to a life on the ground. You have forgotten about your wings and keep them tightly tucked away in a place were they don't get in your way, and you wonder why this world is so hostile. Know your broken heart and this will allow it to heal. Make it a part of you again and it will also be part of our perception of you, and that's who you truly are.

Don't be afraid, we will take care of you, help you and we will love you. You are amongst hearts, just were you belong.

With eternal love,
Sollve

[abraxasinas]

Interrupting the off-topic and slightly pretentious game of Pictionary for a moment.

Clearly many of the members around here feel strongly about MCEO teachings. My queston is of a practical nature.

What do you make of the practical exercises, visualizatons, meditations and energy work that is put forth by MCEO. Do you see a benefit or is there the possibility that it is detrimental in any way?

Would you say that the Maharic Shield exercise is healthy or not healthy from an energy body perspective? Is it truly creating protection or is it doing the opposite? Is protection of this kind necessary or is it suggested with an agenda?

Thanks. This thread is super annoying, but I'm not done with it yet.

PS. I would like the OP's opinion on this. I don't want some random person telling me to look inside for the truth. I don't want someone who's clearly on the MCEO bandwagon answering either. I asked Abraxasinas the question for a reason.


I have made my position regarding the azurite material rather clear and have given references not only to the Drunvalo Melchizedek connection , but also the easily discerned critique from independent (stated as excult members in the maar article) sources found on the web.

It is not in my interest to discuss this material in terms of the 'techniques' applied, except in saying that the Thubanese protocol converges to the Drunvalo paradigm in utilising the harmonious Fibonacci mechanisms.
If the azurite material is meaningful to you it will not harm you in the 'long run' even if the Drunvalo critique of 'wrongness' of it applies to such application.

Follow your inner guidance and allow your journey to unfold in the manner it feels comfortable to you.
The Thuban Council has analysed the azurite material and has drawn its conclusion relative to its own understandings. It is a potpourri of earlier data given to the human evolvement and has attempted to retranslate this more ancient information in the labelings of a more 'modern science'.
Relative to the Thuban Council, the agenda of this platform is well intended, but as is most often the case, the marketing, promotional and fiscal considerations have assumed a 'life of their own' and the earlier agenda has transformed into a particular Dawkinsian MemeComplex.

This Memecomplex is highly polarised in a say 'fear versus love' agenda and so is unsuitable to be incorporated in the platform of Thuban.

If this understanding does not resonate with you, you are free to ignore this analysis and form your own judgements as to the appropriateness and validity of the Thubanese evaluations.

In particular:
What do you make of the practical exercises, visualizatons, meditations and energy work that is put forth by MCEO. Do you see a benefit or is there the possibility that it is detrimental in any way?

Yes, I do see benefit, even great benefit in exercises such as these.
However there is no requirement to visit workshops or seminars.
If you decide to sit under the old oaken tree (if you be so lucky to have thus) in your back yard and meditate on the nature of your environment: feel the energy of the tree, touch the tree, talk to the tree to access its large information base of spacial consciousness; then your Merkabah will activate and your requirement for protective shields will dissipate.

Yet, if you prefer to follow an instruction manual in a likeminded group, this also will activate your merkabah and so on - BUT in a form of group-mindedness and not in your one-to-one attunement with the natural elements.

The method is in the individual choices and is not found in ANY manual of 'how to connect to yourself' methodology.
This is the Thuban perspective; you are free to dismiss this perspective and to follow your choosings.

The Thuban children talk to the ants and in mind synchronization they 'become the ants', able to communicate with them as kindred souls.
The Thuban children do not sit in class rooms to learn about their 'inner selves' - rather they experience themselves as parts of their environments in the search for interaction with the elements and all lifeforms encountered.



Would you say that the Maharic Shield exercise is healthy or not healthy from an energy body perspective? Is it truly creating protection or is it doing the opposite? Is protection of this kind necessary or is it suggested with an agenda?

My answer to this should be selfevident. A fear-based galactic civilization requires shieldings of many kinds; a truly advanced galactic civilization has evolved past such necessitations.


Thank you for your query.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Greetings Abraxasinas,

I am interested in releasing happy hormones continuously from my body in order to be in a permanent state of bliss. Do you have any suggestions of how to practically acheive this?

What a thought dear realitycorrodes. Being able to induce the autonomous nervous system and circulatory regulation systems in such a manner would accelerate the humanoid biochemical interaction with its psychophysicality in a most dramatic manner.
Perhaps you may attempt to attain the Nirvana of the buddha to enter such a blissful state.


The aim being I wish to maintain a continuous state of bliss that is not dependent on anything outside of me i.e. it is completley generated from within me by me.

Well you have been in such a state so 19.11 billion years ago. But then you were totally alone and nothing existed, except you. So you did decide to sacrifice your eternal blissfulness for a kaleidoscope of environmental interactions in your separated selfhood. And so you entered space and time from the 12th dimension and now you are here.
Then to reattain your lonely blissful selfstate as a 'alone no longer' blissful selfstate, you have set yourself the task to understand your own predicament.
How can I be just me, the Individual RealityCorrodes, and yet to BE more than this Individual say as a Family of RealityCorrodes?
And so you find yourself on a journey to REdiscover yourself AFTER you did so in your loneliness.


I would prefer suggestions that don't involve external drugs, however if there are any secret combinations of herbs that can do this I am open to hear about it...but only after hearing about other techniques as mentioned above....that's if you know? And preferably if they are a take once only... after which the drug should leave me permanently in bliss without any further need of them forever.

Stay away from drugs, any drugs (this is not an order, but advice), except say alcohol in moderation; as this is good for the blood (again in moderation), especially in cold weather.
That said, Nature is filled with drugs, natural drugs so you can drug yourself as you like - in Nature's way.
Reason for this is that the drugs of nature are chirally neutral with components balancing themselves in clockwise and anticlockwise quantum spin.
For example it is well known, that the Sugars in the DNA/RNA are righthanded in complementing the lefthanded amino acids.
The drugs you are talking about have become distorted in this quantum spin neutrality due to their processing and synthezising methods.

Also I am interested in any secret techniques that allow a human being to become a breatharian. Do you have any suggestions for this?

As long as you inhabit a biochemical reactor, called your body; you should treat this body as a temple for your higher self or soul or similar labeling.
This body of yours is designed to process nutrients in input-output functionality. It is not designed to NOT intake nourishment in solid and liquid and gaseous form
These are THREE phases: Solid-Liquid-Gaseous.

To deny the solid and liquid phases to concentrate on the gaseous nourishment state is highly disharmonious.
Of course it is advisable to regularly 'cleanse' the biochemical reactor in 'fasting' and 'bathing' and 'washing'.
It is entirely appropriate to restrict what kinds of food you allow as input and all manner of 'lifestyle choices' can be made and which are in harmony with the biochemical reactor.


Sorry if these questions have been asked before!

I only read the beginning message about after the 18 January 2010 there may be information given out that has hitherto never been given out.

Never know unless you ask.:original:

You are welcome RealityCorrodes. If these replies are insufficient to you, you are welcome to ask for clarifications.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Abrax,

I get the feeling that you are amused with the outcome of this thread. I can see you smile when we try with all of our hearts to understand the message you are trying to deliver. Each and every time there is a straight forward question you make an evasive manouver leaving many of us as big glowing question marks.

So, why is this?

Your feelings are your own dear Sollve.
Why should I be amused? Amused by what?
Your presumption of me attaining amusement in your perception of my evasiveness bespeaks more of your judgements, than my platform of relationship and interaction.

And who is this WE you are writing about? Have you becoe a spokesperson for THEM?

My evasive manouvers, what and where are they? Generalisations are insufficient to crystallize points of divergence or misunderstandings.

My guess is that you are very bitter about the outcome of your life. You have been hurt deeply along the way and I'm not meaning physically. You have a very big heart and this is also in your reality your biggest weakness.

What a decisive and accurate assessment of my cosmically embittered, multidimensionally hurtful, interdimensional nonphysicality and 3D fullhearted but weakened personality Sollve.
Have you ever thought of training to become a psychoanalyst?


You have learned the hard way and you have found your solution in reading and digesting cosmology and other things to substitute your (by you) percieved weakness to a degree where you have identified yourself with your teachings, never ever showing your 'weak spot', your heart.

Yes indeed, I have lied to myself all my life in my hard labours to hide my weaknesses in my deluded selfdeceptions.

I want you to know that if you want to heal and become whole again I'm here for you and I'm certain there are a whole bunch of other loving people here aswell that is willing to help you along. There is no weakness in opening ones heart and this is the place to do it. Take small steps and I promise you that the rewards will be endless.

You be the judge, assessor and psychoanalyst for that Sollve.
Indeed I have encountered the all embracing loving natures of many here on this forum. Love abounds, just as long the 'bad ones' go away.

You are like a wing broken bird, now accustomed to a life on the ground. You have forgotten about your wings and keep them tightly tucked away in a place were they don't get in your way, and you wonder why this world is so hostile. Know your broken heart and this will allow it to heal. Make it a part of you again and it will also be part of our perception of you, and that's who you truly are.

Have I ever called this world hostile? Mirror mirror on the wall!
I am a dragon; I have wings dear Sollve.
Indeed my DragonHeart is broken, like Sean Connery's in DragonHeart.
I think and feel I know who I truly am dear Sollve.


Don't be afraid, we will take care of you, help you and we will love you. You are amongst hearts, just were you belong.

I am afriad of nothing except the 'sky falling on my head' as Asterix the Gaul would say in the comic books.
Thank you very much for caring for me Sollve! Caring for others takes care of oneself, does it not?

With eternal love,
Sollve

I reciprocate your eternal love Sollve!

AA

[Sollve]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sollve
Abrax,

I get the feeling that you are amused with the outcome of this thread. I can see you smile when we try with all of our hearts to understand the message you are trying to deliver. Each and every time there is a straight forward question you make an evasive manouver leaving many of us as big glowing question marks.

So, why is this?

Your feelings are your own dear Sollve.
Why should I be amused? Amused by what?
Your presumption of me attaining amusement in your perception of my evasiveness bespeaks more of your judgements, than my platform of relationship and interaction.

And who is this WE you are writing about? Have you becoe a spokesperson for THEM?

Aren't you, me, them, us and we just me in the mirror according to your teachings? Anyway, for clarification purposes replace above with I. I have no problems with that.

My evasive manouvers, what and where are they? Generalisations are insufficient to crystallize points of divergence or misunderstandings.

Well... The grass can sometimes be green as well.

My guess is that you are very bitter about the outcome of your life. You have been hurt deeply along the way and I'm not meaning physically. You have a very big heart and this is also in your reality your biggest weakness.

What a decisive and accurate assessment of my cosmically embittered, multidimensionally hurtful, interdimensional nonphysicality and 3D fullhearted but weakened personality Sollve.

My humble thanks! It's always nice to hear when I'm spot on!

Have you ever thought of training to become a psychoanalyst?

Hmm, maybe I should. The Thubans might need one? Can I use you as a reference?

You have learned the hard way and you have found your solution in reading and digesting cosmology and other things to substitute your (by you) percieved weakness to a degree where you have identified yourself with your teachings, never ever showing your 'weak spot', your heart.

Yes indeed, I have lied to myself all my life in my hard labours to hide my weaknesses in my deluded selfdeceptions.

As above so below...

I want you to know that if you want to heal and become whole again I'm here for you and I'm certain there are a whole bunch of other loving people here aswell that is willing to help you along. There is no weakness in opening ones heart and this is the place to do it. Take small steps and I promise you that the rewards will be endless.

You be the judge, assessor and psychoanalyst for that Sollve.
Indeed I have encountered the all embracing loving natures of many here on this forum. Love abounds, just as long the 'bad ones' go away.

As I stated above, I welcome you regardless if you percieve yourself as good or bad. You are me, and I'm not percieving me as bad.

You are like a wing broken bird, now accustomed to a life on the ground. You have forgotten about your wings and keep them tightly tucked away in a place were they don't get in your way, and you wonder why this world is so hostile. Know your broken heart and this will allow it to heal. Make it a part of you again and it will also be part of our perception of you, and that's who you truly are.

Have I ever called this world hostile? Mirror mirror on the wall!
I am a dragon; I have wings dear Sollve.
Indeed my DragonHeart is broken, like Sean Connery's in DragonHeart.
I think and feel I know who I truly am dear Sollve.

My world can surely be hostile at times. I often challenge my own world and the challenge itslef can sometimes be percieved as hostile, even if it's my choosing. It's to understand it is my choosing that helps me develop.

Don't be afraid, we will take care of you, help you and we will love you. You are amongst hearts, just were you belong.

I am afriad of nothing except the 'sky falling on my head' as Asterix the Gaul would say in the comic books.
Thank you very much for caring for me Sollve! Caring for others takes care of oneself, does it not?

I'll catch that sky for you Abraxa. No worries! :thumb_yello:

With eternal love,
Sollve

I reciprocate your eternal love Sollve!

AA
__________________
I Am One in Many and I Am Many in One!

AA

See ya!
Sollve

:wall: -> :mad3: -> :chair: -> :groupwave: -> :thumb_yello: -> :cheers:

[abraxasinas]

See ya!
Sollve

:wall: -> :mad3: -> :chair: -> :groupwave: -> :thumb_yello: -> :cheers:

Images are Images and Mirrors reflect the Images.

As long the Mirror of Illusions withstands the Invisible Images; the Illusions remain.

When the Mirror of the Illusions is shattered, then the Invisible Images become visible and are as One with the Images seen.

The unbroken Mirror remains as a Separator of the Onenesses in the external reflections; though the internal reflections are unified always.
AA

[Céline]

It is you who perceives the evil and the darkness in many things not I.
I have parodied the Tango of the Superficial Black Rose of the 'evil' darkness with the Synthetic or genetically modified Blue Rose; indicating that a 'Black Rose' is no different to a 'Blue Rose' in terms of colourful labelings.

Indeed Celine, I know nothing about Dragon Love.
Dragon Love to Abraxas is like the LOVE of Falkor, the Luck Dragon; you know the fantastic One.

http://www.google.com/images?q=tbn:bMZlFw3-EPIV3M::img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/thepsychedelicpurse/artwork/falkor36.jpg&t=1&h=196&w=146&usg=__1VJPKWIokH1cGOlmEcHXtch71Yk= (http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v406/thepsychedelicpurse/artwork/falkor36.jpg&imgrefurl=http://community.livejournal.com/fantasians/35945.html&h=650&w=486&sz=97&tbnid=bMZlFw3-EPIV3M:&tbnh=260&tbnw=195&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dluck%2Bdragon&usg=__uinydDxpImzqJRW1p6L1oDezik8=&ei=YV1ZS-GyFoGI6gOelpj_Dw&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&ved=0CAoQ9QEwAA)

And then there is the scientific definition of Dragon Love; the one you can encounter in the laboratories.



DRAGONLOVE is a VIBRATORY RESONANCE described in a GAUGE SOURCESINK-PHOTON in its supersymmetric selfcoupling under modular duality and which can be defined in its own resonance eigenstate as:
E*=kT*=hf*=hc/λ*=m*c²=1/e* for Unity E*e*=1 and its coupling parameters.
Energy*=Heterotic Supermembrane HE(8x8)=EpsEss
=√{2πGome2/4αhce2}=[me/mP]/2e√α=GODDOG=DOGGOD


This is the selfstate for a love vibratory resonance, which created the universe!

AA



Your rose comments are purly for show...ALL roses are geneticaly altered... Pale pale blue was attained in a rose plantt, but NOT in cut flowers...the blue rose is still dyed....


Now..you understand my question..thank you for not evading the answer.

Now perhaps you understand why i asked the question.

or perhaps not.

Your science skills are way over the average human...

Just wondering if you have managed to solve the most important equation...

From what i know..these "goals" ..this "end result"....is completely impossible without the balance that comes from that equation...

All the science, numbers, followers... will NEVER just make that happen.

The proverbial hunt...is a farce...i..humanity...are not the only ones to think this way.

And to Tango, dear Abraxas, you must hear the music.

[abraxasinas]

Your rose comments are purly for show...ALL roses are geneticaly altered... Pale pale blue was attained in a rose plantt, but NOT in cut flowers...the blue rose is still dyed....


Now..you understand my question..thank you for not evading the answer.

Now perhaps you understand why i asked the question.

or perhaps not.

Your science skills are way over the average human...

Just wondering if you have managed to solve the most important equation...

From what i know..these "goals" ..this "end result"....is completely impossible without the balance that comes from that equation...

All the science, numbers, followers... will NEVER just make that happen.

The proverbial hunt...is a farce...i..humanity...are not the only ones to think this way.

And to Tango, dear Abraxas, you must hear the music.

As always you are so very 'right' Celine!

AA

[Céline]

As always you are so very 'right' Celine!

AA

Why is "right" in quotations? Are you being sarcastic abraxas?

You have proven your worth in knowledge and science../

i am just asking for you to turn the mirror in another direction.

Dont hide behind all of this..

[Seafury]

I have made my position regarding the azurite material rather clear and have given references not only to the Drunvalo Melchizedek connection , but also the easily discerned critique from independent (stated as excult members in the maar article) sources found on the web.

It is not in my interest to discuss this material in terms of the 'techniques' applied, except in saying that the Thubanese protocol converges to the Drunvalo paradigm in utilising the harmonious Fibonacci mechanisms.
If the azurite material is meaningful to you it will not harm you in the 'long run' even if the Drunvalo critique of 'wrongness' of it applies to such application.

Follow your inner guidance and allow your journey to unfold in the manner it feels comfortable to you.
The Thuban Council has analysed the azurite material and has drawn its conclusion relative to its own understandings. It is a potpourri of earlier data given to the human evolvement and has attempted to retranslate this more ancient information in the labelings of a more 'modern science'.
Relative to the Thuban Council, the agenda of this platform is well intended, but as is most often the case, the marketing, promotional and fiscal considerations have assumed a 'life of their own' and the earlier agenda has transformed into a particular Dawkinsian MemeComplex.

This Memecomplex is highly polarised in a say 'fear versus love' agenda and so is unsuitable to be incorporated in the platform of Thuban.

If this understanding does not resonate with you, you are free to ignore this analysis and form your own judgements as to the appropriateness and validity of the Thubanese evaluations.

In particular:
What do you make of the practical exercises, visualizatons, meditations and energy work that is put forth by MCEO. Do you see a benefit or is there the possibility that it is detrimental in any way?

Yes, I do see benefit, even great benefit in exercises such as these.
However there is no requirement to visit workshops or seminars.
If you decide to sit under the old oaken tree (if you be so lucky to have thus) in your back yard and meditate on the nature of your environment: feel the energy of the tree, touch the tree, talk to the tree to access its large information base of spacial consciousness; then your Merkabah will activate and your requirement for protective shields will dissipate.

Yet, if you prefer to follow an instruction manual in a likeminded group, this also will activate your merkabah and so on - BUT in a form of group-mindedness and not in your one-to-one attunement with the natural elements.

The method is in the individual choices and is not found in ANY manual of 'how to connect to yourself' methodology.
This is the Thuban perspective; you are free to dismiss this perspective and to follow your choosings.

The Thuban children talk to the ants and in mind synchronization they 'become the ants', able to communicate with them as kindred souls.
The Thuban children do not sit in class rooms to learn about their 'inner selves' - rather they experience themselves as parts of their environments in the search for interaction with the elements and all lifeforms encountered.



Would you say that the Maharic Shield exercise is healthy or not healthy from an energy body perspective? Is it truly creating protection or is it doing the opposite? Is protection of this kind necessary or is it suggested with an agenda?

My answer to this should be selfevident. A fear-based galactic civilization requires shieldings of many kinds; a truly advanced galactic civilization has evolved past such necessitations.


Thank you for your query.

AA

Alright, that seals it. I've had enough sources show me MCEO is full of it, and all for the same reasons.

Thanks.

[BROOK]

My answer to this should be selfevident. A fear-based galactic civilization requires shieldings of many kinds; a truly advanced galactic civilization has evolved past such necessitations.I am not involved with this method of shielding..as I do not follow the information. However I disagree with your summation that there is no necessity to shield because of the evolved state of a civilization. It's not true. There are always other civilizations out there that are less evolved, that would require such protection.

You don't have to be "fear based" to find the necessity to shield.

As for ":shielding" in general....it's always good to do in some form, as there are many out there who will tap into your energy for various reasons. Unless they have been given permission to do so, it's like free reign to get their hands on who you are. Do I suggest doing it for the reason of "fear"? Only if you fear...but it is a privacy issue with me.
If you want to know my energy, and who I am...you are going to have to ask me. Not tap into my energy source direct.
This does not mean I will not share my energy direct..but will still reserve the energy itself for that which I choose. It goes along the lines of being sovereign in my view. It goes hand in hand.

I'll also add...for those of us who are extremely sensitive to energy...it would be a necessity, as daily you would be bombarded by outside energies that would eventually cause many problems....particularly if you did not know the source of that energy, at any given time.

[Céline]

It goes along the lines of being sovereign in my view. It goes hand in hand.


Sovereign.... a very good point.

[hippihillbobbi]

Dear Abraxas --

this thread is CRAZY!!! and i'm So Grateful to have happened on it early, before it became too unweildy. i want to thank you, AA, for hangin-in-here with us like you have -- through sun and rain and hail and hurricane and (praise the Lord!) through those ever-so-elusive balmy breezes! amidst the often laborious intellectual (and sometimes intensely emotional discussions we've had on this thread. and btw, i'd also like to thank Celine, Brooke and Mudra for giving us such lovely images .... they provided much needed refreshment -- and usually at just the appropriate moment! thank you, sisters!!

i do have some questions too.

1) did Yeshua and John-(Hebrew name??) the-Baptist study with the Essenes, as Edgar Cayce (or some other "seer") indicated? If so, it seems they grew to reject any political/militaristic agenda the Essenes may have had?

2) what is the origin of the seemingly "natural," typical human revulsion to the snake and reptilian forms? i assume there may be a connection to the Eve-serpent story in Genesis, and the depiction of "monsters" as dragon-like creatures in our myths and folk-tales. but WHY were these forms chosen to-begin-with to image beings to fear and mistrust???

3) AA -- i'm trying to remember/grasp what you've told us about the fact that you exist inter- or intra-dimensionally ..... in some different way than most of us 3d mortals at this time. i may not be wording this question very intelligently, since i get my dimensions mixed up with my densities and my 12-D Thubans confused with my 3-D Thuban-Dragon-messengers! :wall: :naughty: but ..... for example ...... when you went searching for your daughter, did you do this during sleep visiting the astral plane of Gaia. or can you function on this plane and another at the same time, consciously in both(e.g., not asleep)?? perhaps you can intuitively figure out what i'm asking you, Abrax, cause i fear i'm making a mess of it! whatever insight you can share with my feeble 3d brain, i'll appreciate! (but please no advanced mathematics!

thanks again, AA, for your faithfullness to all of us here, and thanks too to all the other brave and faithful souls who have accompanied us on this roller-coaster ride!!! i sincerely hope you're sleeping blissfully now ..... no matter which plane, density, or dimension(s) you may be inhabiting at the moment.

with love & gratitude as ever,

hippihill

[Sollve]

Images are Images and Mirrors reflect the Images.

As long the Mirror of Illusions withstands the Invisible Images; the Illusions remain.

When the Mirror of the Illusions is shattered, then the Invisible Images become visible and are as One with the Images seen.

The unbroken Mirror remains as a Separator of the Onenesses in the external reflections; though the internal reflections are unified always.
AA

These cute little images in post #861 were just a reflection of my own inner journey. Nothing more, nothing less.

Peace, love and understanding Abraxa,
Sollve

[abraxasinas]

Dear Abraxas --

this thread is CRAZY!!! and i'm So Grateful to have happened on it early, before it became too unweildy. i want to thank you, AA, for hangin-in-here with us like you have -- through sun and rain and hail and hurricane and (praise the Lord!) through those ever-so-elusive balmy breezes! amidst the often laborious intellectual (and sometimes intensely emotional discussions we've had on this thread. and btw, i'd also like to thank Celine, Brooke and Mudra for giving us such lovely images .... they provided much needed refreshment -- and usually at just the appropriate moment! thank you, sisters!!

i do have some questions too.

1) did Yeshua and John-(Hebrew name??) the-Baptist study with the Essenes, as Edgar Cayce (or some other "seer") indicated? If so, it seems they grew to reject any political/militaristic agenda the Essenes may have had?

This is an excellent question hillibilli and I shall answer your questions here in some detail, as the answers relate to the core of the situation at the present time and on many levels.

The Thuban information regarding the Essenes is one of the cornerstones of our agenda.
You see the Essenes were the 'New Agers' of 2000 years ago and they propagated an earlier Egyptian-Atlantean and and even earlier Lemurian and an even earlier ET-engendered archetype.

The Essenes were very aware of the Egyptian-Hermetic legacy revolving about the decad of the Egyptian pantheon as perpetuating the 'Story of Melchizedek, King of the Shalom'.
This story tells of Abram, settling in Mamre-Heron in preparation for his 'covenant with God' {Genesis.13.16-18;14}.
In this endeavour he engages in a 'Battle with the archetypical kings' and aftrer victory becomes 'blessed' by Melchizedek as a messianic-Michael-Shiloh archetype characterizing the 'covenant' (actually a continuation of the Rainbow Covenant between Noah and God a little earlier.
Remember these are archetypes; no Noah or Abraham or Moses existed as a particular individual, but like Adam and Eve, there were many Abrahams and Moses hybrids (archetyped in Joseph-Aquarius marrying Asenath, the daughter of Potiphera, Egyptian priest of On - Genesis.41.50).

The Essenes were adept in astrology and the practices termed today 'New Age' and were experts in the utility of the Kabbalah, the esoteric-mystical part of the Judean religion, based on the Torah and the Talmud.

The cousins John BenZacharias and Yeshua BenJoseph were Essenes as were their extended families and one Joseph of Arithemea who's business were the trading routes between Judea and Egypt and the surrounding regions.
Little Yeshuah, who was gentle in temperament compared to his 'fiery' cousin John often travelled with Joseph of Arithemea into Egypt and so formed many contacts, including the place where the philosophers of the time debated and met - the library of Alexandria.
John however remined at Qumran, where both he and Yeshua received Essene tutorisations; until John began his 'messianic dispensation as Elijah' at the river Jordan in 27 AD.
Yeshuah was often in Egypt; but both knew of their 'Melchizedekian Office' and as they were informed by their Essene elders.

The 'plan' was to fulfil the original Abrahamic covenant on the 'spiritual plane' in a 'war' between the 'Sons of Light' led by Melchizedek and the 'Sons of Belial' or the Darkness'.

After the 'spiritual' war of the archetypes between the archangelic and the archdemonic 'archons' or kingdoms was won by Melchizedek; THEN the 'possessed' Pharisees and Saducees of the extroverted Torah-Talmud traditions would become 'cleansed' in introversion and then the Roman idolizing priesthoods, would revolt against the Romans and with help of the new cosmic configuration, the Romans would cease their occupation of Judea in the fulfilment of the Abrahamic-Melchizedekian covenant with the 'highest God'.

So you might discern here that little has changed 2000 years later. Most participators here are Essenes are Atlanteans are Lemurians are ETs; biut today under the labels of this or that 'spiritual value or teaching system'.

The 'Melchizedeks' and there are rather a number here on this forum, selfproclaimed or channelled or 'abducted' or 'contacted' and what not.
Well, they are all justified; but like the Essenes, their interpretation of the original and most ancient archetypes have not yet become realised, (despite their protestations of knowing better).

Well there was One who could decipher those most ancient archetypes and that was Yeshua and his codebook became the Book of Isaiah, also known as the Dragon Prophecy.

The New testament storyline is not well understood by either academic historians or the theologians (inclusive the denominations, prophets, founders etc.).
I shall not get into details here, as this is a tapestry of interconnections; but the decoding of Isaiah allowed Yeshua to 'change the archetypes' in the 'office of Melchizedek'.
As is generally known or suspected however, the exoteric manifesto of this change became the New Testament Mission of Yeshua. He alone understood this mission and he knew that, just as today, the brotherhoods of the 'serpent' would have to become polarised in extremum.
Archetypical details aside, the expected war between heaven and earth/hell would have to become internalised in Yeshua's Inner Circle with Judas Iscariot becoming the agent for the externalisation at the completion of the timeline Yeshua had worked out from Genesis, Daniel and Ezekiel under the auspices of Isaiah.

Judas so manifested the 'spiritual war' between the 'Sons of Light' and the 'Sons of Belial' not in say an armed conflict between the Romans and the Jews; but restricted the 'war' to the confrontation of the 'Outside' world of Yeshua with his 'Inside' world.

This was not was Judas Iscariot expected of course. He was convinced of Yeshua's authority and attempted to 'force the issue' for Yeshua to act as the King of Peace/Shalom.

Anyway this is another story, but I shared it because this forum here is like a copycat spiritually for this 'spiritual war' between the 'Angels andd the Demons' say.
The difference today is, that the 'singlemindedness' of Yeshuah CAN be shared in comparison to two millennia ago, when it could not (it's in the scriptures, gnostic and synoptic and apocryphal).
So the 'Atlantean Rebellion' of the past and of the pharaoh or elected highpriest has become an 'Earth Rebellion' of today of many pharaohs and elected highpriests.
(Just count how many Isises, Maats, Thoths, Ptahs and Melchizedeks are around today, compared to yesterday. Its Ego of course, but then it is not and a higher and deeper truth as well.


2) what is the origin of the seemingly "natural," typical human revulsion to the snake and reptilian forms? i assume there may be a connection to the Eve-serpent story in Genesis, and the depiction of "monsters" as dragon-like creatures in our myths and folk-tales. but WHY were these forms chosen to-begin-with to image beings to fear and mistrust???

Here it is best for me to explain the Serpent archetype a little and the pictures and comments might help in that.

The most ancient archetype for the serpent is the (Electromagnetic) Waveform; say the hiSSSing of the Serpent as the 'Real Om' of the primordial sound.
In terms of technology, you can witness the archetype as an oscillograph, say as seen in hospital monitors of heartbeat or such.

This SINUSOIDAL WAVEFORM became associated and identified with the 'Evil Woman' not so much EVE, but LILITH the Herew Demoness or Succubi who refused to submit to Adam laying on top of her in sexual intercourse.
http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/webassets/.pond/Lilith.jpg.w180h343.jpghttp://tonyb.freeyellow.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/layout/blank.gifhttp://tonyb.freeyellow.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/layout/blank.gifLilith by John Collier; 1892 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Lilitu.jpg/200px-Lilitu.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lilitu.jpg) The Burnley Relief The Burnley Relief of "The Queen of the Night" about 1950BC



http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/Lilith/Images/ael03t.gif (http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/Lilith/ael03.html)Note that the serpent has a woman's head and torso. Detail from Temptation, Fall, and Expulsion (http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/AdamNeve/index.html#ANE03) from Les Tres Riches Heures du Duc de Berry, 1411-1416. Brothers Limbourg, Franco-Flemish.
http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/Lilith/Images/ael08t.jpg (http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/Lilith/ael08.html) Still in dinosaur land, but the feminine characteristics Still in dinosaur land, but the feminine characteristics are down-played in this version. Detail from Original Sin (http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/AdamNeve/index.html#ANE08) (1467/8). Hugo van der Goes (c. 1440-1482). 35.5x23.2 cm. Kunsthistorisches Museum, Vienna.


http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/Lilith/Images/ael05t.jpg (http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/Lilith/ael05.html) More like a smallish dinosaur, but clearly part of the same theme park. More like a smallish dinosaur, but clearly part of the same theme park. This detail comes from a 15th century Manuscript Illumination (http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/AdamNeve/index.html#ANE05).

http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/Lilith/Images/ael06t.jpg (http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/Lilith/ael06.html) Note the serpent's resemblance to the cute 'cherubim', characteristic of this period of art. Detail Note the serpent's resemblance to the cute 'cherubim', characteristic of this period of art. Detail from The Fall of Man (http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/AdamNeve/index.html#ANE06) (c. 1570). Titian (c. 1480-1576) Canvas, 240x186 cm. Prado Museum, Madrid.




http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/Lilith/Images/miche6lt.jpg (http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/Lilith/miche06l.html) By far the most famous of the Lilith-Serpent paintings. Detail from Michelangelo's Temptation and Fall (http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/AdamNeve/index.html#miche06c) from the Sistine Chapel Ceiling.
By far the most famous of the Lilith-Serpent paintings. Detail from Michelangelo's Temptation and Fall (http://jewishchristianlit.com/Topics/AdamNeve/index.html#miche06c) from the Sistine Chapel Ceiling.

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Dragon History

And this which I have written, may be sufficient to satisfy any reasonable man that there are winged serpents and dragons in the world.

Edward Topsell, 1658


http://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/21dragons.jpgHumans and dragons have lived in proximity to one another for a million years or more. It was probably on the African plains that the earliest humans first learned about the use of fire for cooking food by watching dragons. However, we have very little knowledge or information about these early encounters. However, we have very little knowledge or information about these early encounters.

We do know that by the time of the early Egyptian period a considerable dragon- and serpent-worshipping cult had developed. This cult gradually spread to Babylon, India, the Orient, the Pacific Islands, and finally the North American continent, as more and more cultures began to recognize and appreciate the special powers and intelligence of dragons. The cult reached its peak during the days of the Roman Empire and disappeared with the advent of Christianity.

http://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/1worship.jpgGradually the concept of a mother goddess, often in serpent form, was replaced with a father figure that was distinctly anti-dragon.

http://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/kraken.jpgDragons were especially common in the mountains of Scandinavia. One of the most feared of the early Nordic dragons was named Nidhoggr, or the "dread biter. " He lived for thousands of years and was believed to have spent most of that time gnawing at the root of the universal tree of life, a gigantic ash tree that supported all the living realms.

But most of the dragons of Scandinavian lore were large aquatic creatures that lived off the coasts among the swirling waters. It was said that these aquatic dragons, or Krakens, lifted their enormous heads and long necks out of the water to seize sailors right off their ships.Much of the supposed violence caused by the Scandinavian dragons, however, has been confused with that wreaked by the plundering Vikings, who usually placed a dragon's head on the figureheads of their great ships. Their victims believe that an actual dragon had come to destroy them. The viking warriors plundered and pillage over much of the northern lands.

http://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/viking.jpgThus, as on numerous occasions, dragons were blamed for the evils that mankind had brought upon itself.

http://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/worship2.jpgDragons were believed by the Greeks to be great sources of knowledge and wisdom and were considered sacred creatures with oracular abilities by both Greeks and Romans. Small non-venomous snakes were commonly kept in Roman households, where they no doubt kept the mouse and rat population in check and they were called dracunculi, or little dragons.

Treated as pets, they slept in various nooks and crannies and were fed at the table like dogs or cats. Serpents were to be found at shrines, where they transmitted their great wisdom through the mouths of priestesses. Python was the name of one such serpent-dragon, which guarded the shrine at Delphi until Apollo killed him.

Another dragon, named Ladon, faithfully guarded a tree of golden apples (perhaps a clutch of golden eggs) that belonged to Hera, and the apples contained the secrets of knowledge and immortality. One of the many tasks of Hercules was to kill this dragon and bring back a few of the apples to King Eurystheus.http://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/1Hercules.jpgIt is from this encounter that we can place the popular image of dragons as the guardians of great treasures and the custodians of forbidden knowledge. The great battle between Ladon (or Draco) and Hercules is forever enshrined in the constellations of the northern skies, where Hercules may be seen trying to step on the dragon's head.http://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/1saint.gifUnfortunately, the story is told a little differently in the Old Testament In this version, the "dragon"-the serpent-did not guard the tree of life and knowledge but slyly tempted Eve to eat the apples, resulting in the expulsion of both Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden. Thanks to Genesis, the dragon serpent became the symbol of temptation, and humans, recalling other legends of the dragon's destructiveness, were provided with ample excuse to seek out and kill every dragon in the land.

http://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/1knight.jpgDragons soon disappeared from Greek and Roman homes and oracles, and were no longer available for transmitting their wisdom to those who wanted to learn from them. The total decay of the Greek and Roman civilizations followed inexorably. For many centuries thereafter, as the Dark Ages descended on Europe, dragons were greatly feared.

Fortune seekers, vainly hunting for the treasures of gold that they thought the dragons guarded, sought out breeding weyrs and stole dragon eggs, and many a knight tried to impress his girlfriend by slaying a dragon or two.http://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/knight.GIFDRAGON SLAYERS OF MEDIEVAL TIMES


One of the earliest known dragon slayers was the warrior Siegfried (in the Teutonic version), or Sigurd (Scandinavian version), who lived so long ago that the facts of his dragon-battle are greatly muddled. Some people believe that he slew the dragon Fafnir to rescue a captive maiden, in other accounts he was simply looking for treasure. Some centuries earlier, in England, Beowulf took on a similar dragon but was fatally wounded in the resulting battle. Clearly, the weapons and methods used by these early warriors were not always equal to the task.

http://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/StGeorge3.jpgThe first really epic battle between man and dragon that comes down to us in any detail is that of Saint George. He lived before the time of Constantine and was probably born in Palestine. During one of his travels, he came to the city of Silene (or Sisena) in Libya. There he learned of a dragon, living in a nearby lake, that was reputedly raiding neighboring pastures and eating the sheep. After all the sheep had disappeared, the townspeople found it necessary to offer up all their children to the dragon, until only the daughter of the king remained.

By the time George arrived on the scene, even the king's daughter had been bound up and was about to be offered to the creature. Without delay the good knight attacked the surprised dragon with his lance. He quickly bound the dragon up with the princess's girdle. He led the cowering beast back to the city, where he killed it by slicing off its head in a single blow, in view of the entire populace. In spite of this good deed, George eventually came to an unhappy end. According to some accounts, he tore down and impulsively stamped on an edict that had been issued by the Roman Emperor Diocletian, for this foolhardy act he was arrested and eventually put to death. Others said, that he was decapitated by the emperor of Persia for trying to convert the emperor's wife to Christianity. Clearly he didn't have the good sense to stay away from the wives and daughters of royalty, and he was probably not greatly missed until he was made a saint some centuries later. In 349 he was even made the patron saint of England. He was also given honorary, if posthumous citizenship there, since it had by then been decided that he had actually been born in Coventry.

In the sixteenth century, Pope Clement VII decreed that George had not been completely truthful about his dragon-killing stories, and the pope decided to eliminate all mention of dragons from St George's official biography. More recently, poor George was even de-canonized, and the arguments over which cathedral actually possesses his head and other bodily parts have gradually diminished.

http://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/1StGeorge4.jpghttp://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/1redknight.jpgNot nearly so well known as George was another dragon killer of the Dark Ages by the name of Gerolde. He acquired during his lifetime a large and faithful following of people eager to hear of his dragon-slaying exploits. For many years he roamed the countryside seeking dragons and other evil creatures, speaking out against them, and burning any books that mentioned dragons or their kin.He was eventually made a knight and was dubbed Gerolde-the-Good, because of his obvious piety. His minions formed what was probably the first fan club in history and referred to themselves as the pious multitude, whose major goal was to seek out and destroy sin in all of its many forms. The first dragon that Gerolde slew was a relatively small one only about twenty feet long) that he managed to surprise one day while dressed in his shiniest suit of armor and riding his charger. Without a thought for his own safety, he attacked the beast. The reflections of the sun off shiny armor dazzled the dragon, and before it could retaliate, it found itself fatally impaled on Gerolde's long lance. Gerolde was immediately hailed as the greatest of all dragon killers, and he was swamped with requests to speak before civic groups and to clear dragons out of various strongholds. He traveled about the land with his entourage and was offered rich presents and rewards for his good deeds. Among these were numerous brightly colored silk garlands and ribbons, which well wishers begged he would attach to his lance or his helmet for good fortune. Finally, Gerolde had the clever idea of making an entire multicolored jacket of these ribbons, which he could slip over his armored suit. He was immediately transformed into a flag like vision of blue, white, red, and green. Shortly thereafter, clad in his colorful garment, he encountered a large dragon and attacked it with full confidence in his invulnerability. This time, the jacket effectively hid the reflective armor, and clouds hid the sun. The dragon, upon being attacked, released a vast amount of fire, incinerating Gerolde on the spot. His followers were badly shaken by this turn of events but nevertheless recovered his charred remains and returned to town. He was buried in a nearby cathedral with all possible honors. On his grave a simple epitaph was engraved in Latin, which in translation reads "Never wrap yourself in a flag when you go forth to slaya dragon.



DRAGONS OF THE LATE MIDDLE AGES AND EARLY RENAISSANCE

http://lair2000.net/Dragon_Lair/Dragon_History/1chained.jpgBy the end of the Middle Ages and the beginning of the Renaissance, a
goodly number of dragon slayers had hacked their way into history, and
many had been made saints in the process. The killing of dragons had
become one of the few suitable ways of performing heroic acts of warfare and aggression and to be rewarded with fame, fortune, and sainthood.





3) AA -- i'm trying to remember/grasp what you've told us about the fact that you exist inter- or intra-dimensionally ..... in some different way than most of us 3d mortals at this time. i may not be wording this question very intelligently, since i get my dimensions mixed up with my densities and my 12-D Thubans confused with my 3-D Thuban-Dragon-messengers! :wall: :naughty: but ..... for example ...... when you went searching for your daughter, did you do this during sleep visiting the astral plane of Gaia. or can you function on this plane and another at the same time, consciously in both(e.g., not asleep)?? perhaps you can intuitively figure out what i'm asking you, Abrax, cause i fear i'm making a mess of it! whatever insight you can share with my feeble 3d brain, i'll appreciate! (but please no advanced mathematics!

You are as much in 12D Dragonspace as any Thubanite is hillibilli. Trust your 3D Thuban messengers they are from your inner self in the 12th dimension of the Void - the Great Abyss of the Dragonian Eternity.

When I searched for my daughter Deborah in the 'Land of the Dead' during my NDE, I was fully lucid and conscious there. I analysed texture for solidity, geographical structure and time aspects in my conversations making it clear that I had left the 3D incarnational state.
I even hoped this to be so, but was unsure of me being allowed to stay there. I didn't know until a 'dread' engulfed me to render me agai in the incarnational state.

thanks again, AA, for your faithfullness to all of us here, and thanks too to all the other brave and faithful souls who have accompanied us on this roller-coaster ride!!! i sincerely hope you're sleeping blissfully now ..... no matter which plane, density, or dimension(s) you may be inhabiting at the moment.

My task here includes to be a metaphorical 'Wailing Wall', like the wall of Jerusalem, where the most orthodox believers in the proper loving good can bash their heads against this wall in expectation of their deliverances.
The question the becomes who the 'unorthodox' rebels or gnostics or heretics are, but I shall not elaborate about this at this time.
Everything is in order hillibilli - the mirror of the illusions has not yet been shattered in the raising of the beast out of the sea in Revelation.13.1.

with love & gratitude as ever,

hippihill

Thank you for a most important question asked dear hippihillbobbi.

My Dragon Code of Honour to You!

Abraxas Anthony

[GaiaLove]

Dragon Love... What do you know about Dragon Love?

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Stunning, and well placed in the thread too ;)

[Fredkc]

"Stunning, and well placed in the thread too"


Kinda like.... me. :D

[Phtha]

Thanks for the info about the atmostphere friend Sirebard. I remember getting in trouble in elementary school for refusing to believe the sky was blue because of the reflection of 'blue' ocean water. :lol3: (I'm sure they have changed their story by now though)

Can you list the approxomite frequencies of all the 'true' colours in Terahertz, as well as their wavelengths in nanometers?
The net is full of conflicting information regarding these numbers.
Also thanks for the info on standing wave harmonics! Stuff like this makes math fun.

About the Essenes. 'The Essene Gospels of Peace (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=43EE336381FFEFFB)' translated by Edmond Bordeaux Szekely is one of my all time favorite texts I've read to date. There is a lot of controversy concerning the 'origin' of these texts. Were they transcribed from an ancient manuscript found in the vatican as Edmond claims?
Whatever the true origin I don't really care in the end, as I love the information, but it's always nice to know.

Also.. one more question... can you define Love if you haven't already? That feeling that I love to send to you and everyone (and everything) else on the planet and beyond. That seems to exist everywhere at all times, in both Light and Darkness is it found. That seems to create all movements, above and below, and is the cause of all 'evolution', the only force that seems to actually exist, everything else being illusion or distortion.


Oops... I fooled myself, another question came up. Do you know the process required to use standing waves as carrier waves for say electro-magnetism? If so... what mechanisms and/or material are required in order to 'insert' emf waves into a standing wave?


Blest are you!:thumb_yello:

[abraxasinas]

Thanks for the info about the atmostphere friend Sirebard. I remember getting in trouble in elementary school for refusing to believe the sky was blue because of the reflection of 'blue' ocean water. :lol3: (I'm sure they have changed their story by now though)

Can you list the approxomite frequencies of all the 'true' colours in Terahertz, as well as their wavelengths in nanometers?
The net is full of conflicting information regarding these numbers.
Also thanks for the info on standing wave harmonics! Stuff like this makes math fun.

Red=656 nm---457 THz
Orange=607 nm---494 THz
Golden Yellow=585 nm---513 THz
Yellow=567 nm---529 THz
Green Yellow=563 nm---533 THz
Green-Blue=492 nm---610 THz
Aqua Blue=489 nm---613 THz
Blue=485 nm---619 THz
Indigo=464 nm---647 THz
Violet=433 nm---693 THz

About the Essenes. 'The Essene Gospels of Peace (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=43EE336381FFEFFB)' translated by Edmond Bordeaux Szekely is one of my all time favorite texts I've read to date. There is a lot of controversy concerning the 'origin' of these texts. Were they transcribed from an ancient manuscript found in the vatican as Edmond claims?

Partially; at present no source on earth has deciphered the ancient texts to full extent - the time was not approprite.

Whatever the true origin I don't really care in the end, as I love the information, but it's always nice to know.

Also.. one more question... can you define Love if you haven't already? That feeling that I love to send to you and everyone (and everything) else on the planet and beyond. That seems to exist everywhere at all times, in both Light and Darkness is it found. That seems to create all movements, above and below, and is the cause of all 'evolution', the only force that seems to actually exist, everything else being illusion or distortion.

I have defined it in terms of the energy quantum on this thread a number of times and in a definition which is subject to discovery in the labs. You might term it the Love Photon or the God-Particle or the SourceSink Energy Quantum.
It so is most definitely related to all these 'energy=spirit' concepts of lifeforces like Orgone, Chi, Prana, Biophotons, Lifeforce, Mitogenetic radiation etc. etc.



Oops... I fooled myself, another question came up. Do you know the process required to use standing waves as carrier waves for say electro-magnetism? If so... what mechanisms and/or material are required in order to 'insert' emf waves into a standing wave?

Technically, science creates cavities as harmonic oscillators. The emf waves are not different from standing waves but become 'guided' by these waves. There are multitudinous aspects to this: Bohm's Waves of Formation in intricate and explicate order; Casimir effects; superconductivity; quantum entanglement; holographic and holofracal cosmologies and the physics of quantum mechanics in fourier analysis and fourier transformations of linear systems into nonlinear systems.


The misunderstood bit in contemporary physics is that NOT ALL EMR waves require mass or inertia to become generated.
The EMR spectrum is linear, say between the lowest frequency radio waves and the highest frequency gamma rays.
This linearity is defined by the inertia coupling, say the Sun's photons stem from accelerated Coulomb (electric) charges ALWAYS associated with the MASS of the nuclear fusion protons in the Hydrogen to Helium conversion.


Then do NONMASS coupled charges exist?
If so then the acceleration of those would create a different and more energetic form of EMR.

Bingo, you have discovered the secret of string/brane theory and a 'secret' Ed Witten, as the 'scientific stalwart' of M-Theory would be dear to know.

But these 'magnetocharges' do in fact CLOSE the linear EMR spectrum of the physics in the form of the Ouroborus, the Milky Way serpent swalling its own tail.

Well, there you are in your AA-conspiracies of the Big Bad White Dragon of the sky.


Blest are you!:thumb_yello:

AA

[Initiate]

Hi Initiate!

This is a good question. How does one get 'outside' of the creation?

The answer is simple, yet profound.
Should you consider the 'creation' as a spacetime construct, that is some 'place' experienced at some 'time' by something you might term 'self-conscious' or 'self-unconscious'; then the answer must relate to find the 'space' and 'time' of creation, when there was no creation.

So then this nospace and notime also must be considered in their nature and/or nonmanifestation.

Say you create a fantasy creature like a Unicorn with seven horns, instead of one.
You IMAGINE this unicorn in RELATING your earlier experiences in your thoughtforms. You know what a unicorn supposed to look like from say a fairy tale book; you colour it white and place a horn (say akin that of a narwhale) upon it and then IMAGINE the superpositioning of six other say smaller horns protruding around the bigger horn from the horse-like Unicornian head.

Ok, I am sure you could do that.
But now imagine yourself of never having seen a horse and the colour white or a narwhale and the label of 'unicorn' is meaningless to you because of your LACK OF REFERENCE FRAME.

So you cannot create your sevenhorned unicorn for lack of background data.

This scenario then describes the Thuban presence in the 12th dimension.
The 12th dimension can only BE the 12th dimension, because the lower dimensions 1-11 exist.
So the 12D is REFERENCE FRAME for the lowerD in terms of spacetime construction.

Then reducing the cosmogony even further will allow you to reach the point where the 1st dimension does not yet exist.

So what is 'before' 1D - 0D!
But 0D as a mathematical point also is descriptive of InfiniteD in the VOID becoming so defined as the INVERSE of ETERNITY.
This Reciprocoity is akin the primordial polarity of something opposite yet unifiable.
This is high school algebra and group theory in the Identity parameters for addition and multiplication.

A+(-A)=0 {say 2-2=0} for addition and Ax1/A=1 {say 2x1/2=1} for multiplication.

Your question about FORM so derives from this also - the mathematical archetypical superstructure is IMMANENT or INTRINSIC to the Emergence of FORM.

So why can the Thuban Council BE 'outside' creation?
They are situated in the VOID=ETERNITY AS the prespacetime mode of creation.
They so are able to MAP the VOID=INFINITY of nospacetime onto the material creation as a 12D Reference Frame, so allowing the 11-dimensional universe to draw upon and utilize the Thubanese definition and creaton processes.

If one works for 24 hours answering questions and all during the night; it is not unreasonable to say 'Good Night' at local noontime.

You have asked an intelligent and pertinent question Initiate and the Thuban Council extends its gratitude to you for asking it.

AA

Thanks abraxas for your answers. I thought you were asking me to take a sleep. I know you work long hours in your service.

I am still struggling with the coucil existing outside of creation in the void.

If I assume:

all of creation = 1
the void = 0
0/infinity = 0
1/infinity ~ 0 but <> 0

how can something exist in nothing?

Is it not more of the case that the Council exist in what they as yet have not defined? Even though it is not defined it is still something?

Regards,

Initiate

[halebox]

In ascension can you skip densities or is it always one at a time?
What is a starhuman?
Is dream language the same for all? Or is it highly personalized?
Is our moon hollow? Was it created by ET's? Who currently occupies it? Its purpose for us?
Are the Thuban allies with any or all Greys, Annunaki, Pleadian?
May I request a safe round trip visit to Thuban?
What may the music sound like on Thuban?
Is there a real version of the galactic federation or light?
Is the penial gland damaged from intake of fluoride? Can it be repaired?
Are the Thuban at active war with a different race-planet? If so with whom?
Are Earth and its inhabitants considered property of the Thuban?
Are there humans that are from Earth on Thuban right now? If so how many?
Soul/Spirit difference?
Is Nibiru real? Is it occupied? By whom?
Thanks!

[Initiate]

I have made my position regarding the azurite material rather clear and have given references not only to the Drunvalo Melchizedek connection , but also the easily discerned critique from independent (stated as excult members in the maar article) sources found on the web.

It is not in my interest to discuss this material in terms of the 'techniques' applied, except in saying that the Thubanese protocol converges to the Drunvalo paradigm in utilising the harmonious Fibonacci mechanisms.
If the azurite material is meaningful to you it will not harm you in the 'long run' even if the Drunvalo critique of 'wrongness' of it applies to such application.

Follow your inner guidance and allow your journey to unfold in the manner it feels comfortable to you.
The Thuban Council has analysed the azurite material and has drawn its conclusion relative to its own understandings. It is a potpourri of earlier data given to the human evolvement and has attempted to retranslate this more ancient information in the labelings of a more 'modern science'.
Relative to the Thuban Council, the agenda of this platform is well intended, but as is most often the case, the marketing, promotional and fiscal considerations have assumed a 'life of their own' and the earlier agenda has transformed into a particular Dawkinsian MemeComplex.

This Memecomplex is highly polarised in a say 'fear versus love' agenda and so is unsuitable to be incorporated in the platform of Thuban.

If this understanding does not resonate with you, you are free to ignore this analysis and form your own judgements as to the appropriateness and validity of the Thubanese evaluations.

In particular:
What do you make of the practical exercises, visualizatons, meditations and energy work that is put forth by MCEO. Do you see a benefit or is there the possibility that it is detrimental in any way?

Yes, I do see benefit, even great benefit in exercises such as these.
However there is no requirement to visit workshops or seminars.
If you decide to sit under the old oaken tree (if you be so lucky to have thus) in your back yard and meditate on the nature of your environment: feel the energy of the tree, touch the tree, talk to the tree to access its large information base of spacial consciousness; then your Merkabah will activate and your requirement for protective shields will dissipate.

Yet, if you prefer to follow an instruction manual in a likeminded group, this also will activate your merkabah and so on - BUT in a form of group-mindedness and not in your one-to-one attunement with the natural elements.

The method is in the individual choices and is not found in ANY manual of 'how to connect to yourself' methodology.
This is the Thuban perspective; you are free to dismiss this perspective and to follow your choosings.

The Thuban children talk to the ants and in mind synchronization they 'become the ants', able to communicate with them as kindred souls.
The Thuban children do not sit in class rooms to learn about their 'inner selves' - rather they experience themselves as parts of their environments in the search for interaction with the elements and all lifeforms encountered.



Would you say that the Maharic Shield exercise is healthy or not healthy from an energy body perspective? Is it truly creating protection or is it doing the opposite? Is protection of this kind necessary or is it suggested with an agenda?

My answer to this should be selfevident. A fear-based galactic civilization requires shieldings of many kinds; a truly advanced galactic civilization has evolved past such necessitations.


Thank you for your query.

AA

In Contemplation of this issue the following decoding came about:

Adam and Eve in the Garden and the First Sin

When Eve and subsequently Adam were tempted to bite of the apple and then told that they were naked. Could it not be that the "nakedness" was derived from Satan telling Eve that she was unprotected from unseen spiritual entities etc. and needed the knowledge to shield herself from these things. The knowledge was given but whilst it shielded her from the unseen it also shielded her from God. Adam was tempted by Eve in this way also. This was the real sin. That Humanity cut them selves off from God when they were trying to ward off the unseen. The reality is that all the protection we need is in our one on one relationship with God. By raising a shield we cut ourselves off.

If we can undress and stand with our cloths under our feet in front of god unashamed then we have found our way home. Nothing can touch us if we do this.

[UncleJohn]

Abrax, I hope you got some sleep. Sorry about that np==p? headache. Back to that later.

The problems on earth are just a reflection of the problems of the whole universe.

Shucks, most average humans don't even know about the big universe and they have no idea at what humans are destined to do.

Abrax, talk to us about the big picture.

[abraxasinas]

In Contemplation of this issue the following decoding came about:

Adam and Eve in the Garden and the First Sin

When Eve and subsequently Adam were tempted to bite of the apple and then told that they were naked. Could it not be that the "nakedness" was derived from Satan telling Eve that she was unprotected from unseen spiritual entities etc. and needed the knowledge to shield herself from these things. The knowledge was given but whilst it shielded her from the unseen it also shielded her from God. Adam was tempted by Eve in this way also. This was the real sin. That Humanity cut them selves off from God when they were trying to ward off the unseen. The reality is that all the protection we need is in our one on one relationship with God. By raising a shield we cut ourselves off.

If we can undress and stand with our cloths under our feet in front of god unashamed then we have found our way home. Nothing can touch us if we do this.


Your last quote is very true Initiate.
(37)
His disciples said: "When will you appear to us, and when will we see you?"
Jesus said: "When you undress without being ashamed and take your clothes and put them under your feet like little children (and) trample on them, then you will see the son of the Living One, and you will not be afraid."

(105)
Jesus says: "Whoever will come to know father and mother, he will be called son of a whore."

However the Thuban story of the temptation is rather different, then the conventional interpretation as in the above.

ADAM=Every Man as archetype and EVE=Every Woman as archetype.
Because Eve comes out of Adam as a 'Rib' Eve is part of Man and so disempowered.

To get her feminine power back, she must transform into EQUALITY with Adam via LILITH, the Hebrew SexDemoness or Succubus.

LILITH refuses to 'lay beneath' ADAM in the archetype of the sexual union and so goes into the wilderness as the 'Exiled Great DragonMother' of the Universe-Creation.
Then Eve is 'made from Adam' and is ENTICED by the CHRIST-SERPENT REDEEMER (Melchizedek as the Plumed Serpent Kukulkan in Mayan cosmology) to EAT the 'Knowledge of Good and Evil'.

The Jehovah in Eden is the usurper fake God Yaldabaoth (who doesn't even know where Adam and Eve are after their enlightenment so there is your omniscient LORD GOD exposed).

The fake-God is the GREAT FAKE-DRAGON (the REd Devil in Revelation say) as the fake-ADAM, the latter without one of his ribs.

EVE redeems ADAM in 'learning the truth' and so becomes the AMBASSADORA for LILITH, say in the VIRGO being protected and accompanied by the UNICORN.

So EVE riding the UNICORN becomes the transformation of the Great Mother (Gaia is the ambassadora for the Universe in toto here) as the Unicorn becoming 'tamed' by her 'worthy and enlightened' DAUGHTERS.

This REDEEMS LILITH as the NEW EVE and also REDEEMS ADAM in substituting the Bad OLD Yaldabath DRAGON of the MALE DEVILISHNESS as being a SON of the Great Mother-Dragon, namely the NEW ADAM as being 'ridden' by EVE - just as the story of Lilith was at the beginning.

The demoness Lilith becomes angelic Eve and the REAL flesh and blood and spirit EVE becomes enabled to form EQUALITY partnership with a real flesh and blood and spirit ADAM under the auspices of the metamorphosis of Fake-God into ADAM and Fake-Goddess into EVE.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Thanks abraxas for your answers. I thought you were asking me to take a sleep. I know you work long hours in your service.

I am still struggling with the coucil existing outside of creation in the void.

If I assume:

all of creation = 1
the void = 0
0/infinity = 0
1/infinity ~ 0 but <> 0

how can something exist in nothing?

Knowing a little mathematics, envisage an expanding series of the form: 0/1+1/2+2/3+3/4+...+n/(n+1)+...99999/1000000+...always getting bigger as a fraction or a decimal but never actually reaching the limit of 1/1=1.
This way, the Mirror of the Infinity in 0/0=∞/∞=1, because 0=0 and ∞=∞ to define the inversion of 1/1=1 in the undefinability of 1/0≡∞ ↔ ∞.0≡1 and limited in the mathematical symbolisation in the physicalisations of limits in 1/∞→0 and 1/0→∞ as the reciprocities of each other by 0/1≡0 and ∞/1≡∞.

All of Creation = 1
The Void = 0
The Eternity = 1/0=Infinity meaning that 0xInfinity=1! (not in the physicalised limit but by definition)


Is it not more of the case that the Council exist in what they as yet have not defined? Even though it is not defined it is still something?

Ok, here it goes.
YOU right now are residing in the 12th dimension, not the 15th or the 33rd or the 57th, but the 12th.
YOU also find yourself in the 3rd dimension of linear cycles of beginnings and endings, such as birth and death.

YOU in the 12D are a timetavelled or FUTURE SELF of what you now experience as your 3D cosmic ID.

The Council of Thuban is right inside of you as this 'higher D' selfhood of yourself.
As this Council of Thuban YOU are in the VOID of NoSpace and NoTime. You DO not so exist in time, except in a cosmic NOW moment, defined in wormhole instantenuity.

As the VOID is also ETERNITY by definition of the above, you CAN in fact EXPERIENCE Yourself from the Thuban perspective in that timelessness.

It is from this timelessness that the Thubanese archetypes stem and that this thread here has become implemented.
The Thuban agenda is and was manifested BY YOU from your Future-Self perspective.

So now you may perceive what the naysayers here are up against - themselves in the 3D of the NOW and themselves as their own future selves.

Anyway, the (Data of the) VOID of 12D is MAPPED onto the 11D FINITE Outside Mirror of the Universe and reflects via its FINITE Inside Mirror (its a doublesided surface or manifold) into the 10D Universe of the InSpace and InTime Cosmologies.

This then defines how the ExtraET Information enters the spacetimed universe of universe-galaxies.

This timeline of the 5 Mayan longcounts of almost 26,000 years so simply defines the programmed (by the 12D of the Logos) 'turning inside-out' of the 11D mirror to render the twosidedness as onesided. This must so DOUBLE the 'Surface Area' (which is like a Volume in the language of a Riemann Hypersphere) of the HigherD Universe - say in adding the inside of your ring to the outside of your ring.


Regards,

Initiate

AA

[abraxasinas]

Abrax, I hope you got some sleep. Sorry about that np==p? headache. Back to that later.

The problems on earth are just a reflection of the problems of the whole universe.

Shucks, most average humans don't even know about the big universe and they have no idea at what humans are destined to do.

Abrax, talk to us about the big picture.

The 'big picture' encompasses your cosmic ID of being within Spacetime simultaneously with being without it.

Initiate asked a very good question.
How can something exist in nothing?

Knowing a little mathematics, envisage an expanding series of the form: 0/1+1/2+2/3+3/4+...+n/(n+1)+...99999/1000000+...always getting bigger as a fraction or a decimal but never actually reaching the limit of 1/1=1.
This way, the Mirror of the Infinity in 0/0=∞/∞=1, because 0=0 and ∞=∞ to define the inversion of 1/1=1 in the undefinability of 1/0≡∞ ↔ ∞.0≡1 and limited in the mathematical symbolisation in the physicalisations of limits in 1/∞→0 and 1/0→∞ as the reciprocities of each other by 0/1≡0 and ∞/1≡∞.

All of Creation = 1
The Void = 0
The Eternity = 1/0=Infinity meaning that 0xInfinity=1! (not in the physicalised limit but by definition)


Is it not more of the case that the Council exist in what they as yet have not defined? Even though it is not defined it is still something?

Ok, here it goes.
YOU right now are residing in the 12th dimension, not the 15th or the 33rd or the 57th, but the 12th.
YOU also find yourself in the 3rd dimension of linear cycles of beginnings and endings, such as birth and death.

YOU in the 12D are a timetavelled or FUTURE SELF of what you now experience as your 3D cosmic ID.

The Council of Thuban is right inside of you as this 'higher D' selfhood of yourself.
As this Council of Thuban YOU are in the VOID of NoSpace and NoTime. You DO not so exist in time, except in a cosmic NOW moment, defined in wormhole instantenuity.

As the VOID is also ETERNITY by definition of the above, you CAN in fact EXPERIENCE Yourself from the Thuban perspective in that timelessness.

It is from this timelessness that the Thubanese archetypes stem and that this thread here has become implemented.
The Thuban agenda is and was manifested BY YOU from your Future-Self perspective.

So now you may perceive what the naysayers here are up against - themselves in the 3D of the NOW and themselves as their own future selves.

Anyway, the (Data of the) VOID of 12D is MAPPED onto the 11D FINITE Outside Mirror of the Universe and reflects via its FINITE Inside Mirror (its a doublesided surface or manifold) into the 10D Universe of the InSpace and InTime Cosmologies.

This then defines how the ExtraET Information enters the spacetimed universe of universe-galaxies.

This timeline of the 5 Mayan longcounts of almost 26,000 years so simply defines the programmed (by the 12D of the Logos) 'turning inside-out' of the 11D mirror to render the twosidedness as onesided. This must so DOUBLE the 'Surface Area' (which is like a Volume in the language of a Riemann Hypersphere) of the HigherD Universe - say in adding the inside of your ring to the outside of your ring.



AA

[abraxasinas]

In ascension can you skip densities or is it always one at a time?
Ascension is a simultaneous Descension. Some data is sent in upload and other data is sent in download.
This data transmission either way does not skip dimensions as the 11D mirror reflects in the mirrors of 8D, 5D and 2D.

What is a starhuman?

A Dragonized Old Human or a Old Human Caterpillar metamorphosed into a StarHuman Butterfly in Aphrodite's Living Butterfly Collection.

Is dream language the same for all? Or is it highly personalized?

The archetypes in most basic form are the same, but then everything becomes filtered and reinterpreted by the individual soul acting like a filter and a mirror.

Is our moon hollow?

No, not according to Thuban data. However this only applies only to 3D and not to say 6D or 9D, where interdimensionality is common cause. Iow, there are beings and lifeforms on all planets withoin and without.

Was it created by ET's?

Everything is created by ETs, even the human creativity is ET engendered.

Who currently occupies it?

Well all sorts of moon creatures and there are bases on the Moon, according to our data - manmade ones.

Its purpose for us?

As a planetary satellite it is responsible for tidal interaction. It has a very rare isotope in Helium-3 used for nuclear fusion research. It is destined or envisaged to act as a intermittent space platform for exploration of the solar system and such.

Are the Thuban allies with any or all Greys, Annunaki, Pleadian?

Yes, we are known to all of them and are kindred with all of them, despite the deceivers.

May I request a safe round trip visit to Thuban?

Before opening of the 4th space dimension you can go to Thuban in your imaginations and in understanding yourself as a time traveller from the future.
After the opening of 4D Thuban will be right here on Earth.


What may the music sound like on Thuban?

Whatever you make of it.

Is there a real version of the galactic federation or light?

In archetype there is. In physical reality it requires to be harmonized in convergence. This is planned, but has not yet occurred.

Is the pineal gland damaged from intake of fluoride?

If you entertain damage to the third eye receptor by chemical means, then such outcome is likely.

Can it be repaired?

Yes, by activation of the baseperfect template programs of the 4x8x8 DNA/RNA codex.

Are the Thuban at active war with a different race-planet? If so with whom?

No.

Are Earth and its inhabitants considered property of the Thuban?

No, not property but Home of the Great Dragon Mother indeed.

Are there humans that are from Earth on Thuban right now? If so how many?

Almost 7 billion.

Soul/Spirit difference?

A question of archetypical definition and then individual labeling preferences.

Is Nibiru real?

It's real as an archetype not as some incoming celestial physical object. Nibiru=Serpentina=New Earth.

Is it occupied?
By whom?

Nibiruan Serpentpeople live on and in Nibiru as Nemesis the Second Sun.

Thanks!

No problem.

AA

[Initiate]

[QUOTE=abraxasinas;227115]The 'big picture' encompasses your cosmic ID of being within Spacetime simultaneously with being without it.

Initiate asked a very good question.
How can something exist in nothing?

Knowing a little mathematics, envisage an expanding series of the form: 0/1+1/2+2/3+3/4+...+n/(n+1)+...99999/1000000+...always getting bigger as a fraction or a decimal but never actually reaching the limit of 1/1=1.
This way, the Mirror of the Infinity in 0/0=∞/∞=1, because 0=0 and ∞=∞ to define the inversion of 1/1=1 in the undefinability of 1/0≡∞ ↔ ∞.0≡1 and limited in the mathematical symbolisation in the physicalisations of limits in 1/∞→0 and 1/0→∞ as the reciprocities of each other by 0/1≡0 and ∞/1≡∞.

All of Creation = 1
The Void = 0
The Eternity = 1/0=Infinity meaning that 0xInfinity=1! (not in the physicalised limit but by definition)


if we take the algebra a / b = c then c * b = a. I understand this to be a fundemental law of mathematics. Now, in order for us to calculate c, when a = 1 and b = ∞ then
1/∞ = c and
c * ∞ = 1

what is c?

c can not equal 0 because if 1/∞ = 0 (c) then 0 (c) * ∞ = 0 and not 1

c must be a number infinitely close to 0 but not equal to 0.

so 0 * ∞ doesn't equal 1

The Eternity = 1/0=Infinity meaning that 0xInfinity=1 is false

near 0 (c) * ∞ can = 1 but c can not be defined on its own.

am I missing something?

[SABINA]

hi A A,
the alien agenda knows about the vorticity of Gaia and it`s definition as the
universal sink source reciever iow Gaia is a substitute for the Andromeda galaxy
But why we humans don`t know???
we still are teaching our children we are an acciedent of nature and so on.
with all the best wishes
Sabina

[abraxasinas]

[QUOTE=abraxasinas;227115]The 'big picture' encompasses your cosmic ID of being within Spacetime simultaneously with being without it.

Initiate asked a very good question.
How can something exist in nothing?

Knowing a little mathematics, envisage an expanding series of the form: 0/1+1/2+2/3+3/4+...+n/(n+1)+...99999/1000000+...always getting bigger as a fraction or a decimal but never actually reaching the limit of 1/1=1.
This way, the Mirror of the Infinity in 0/0=∞/∞=1, because 0=0 and ∞=∞ to define the inversion of 1/1=1 in the undefinability of 1/0≡∞ ↔ ∞.0≡1 and limited in the mathematical symbolisation in the physicalisations of limits in 1/∞→0 and 1/0→∞ as the reciprocities of each other by 0/1≡0 and ∞/1≡∞.

All of Creation = 1
The Void = 0
The Eternity = 1/0=Infinity meaning that 0xInfinity=1! (not in the physicalised limit but by definition)


if we take the algebra a / b = c then c * b = a. I understand this to be a fundemental law of mathematics. Now, in order for us to calculate c, when a = 1 and b = ∞ then
1/∞ = c and
c * ∞ = 1

what is c?

c can not equal 0 because if 1/∞ = 0 (c) then 0 (c) * ∞ = 0 and not 1

c must be a number infinitely close to 0 but not equal to 0.

so 0 * ∞ doesn't equal 1

The Eternity = 1/0=Infinity meaning that 0xInfinity=1 is false

near 0 (c) * ∞ can = 1 but c can not be defined on its own.

Who told you that!
The key point is NEAR, neighbourhood of points, Calculus LIMITS in differential Geometry. This is physical not meaphysical.

Using IDENTITY in 0/0=∞/∞=1, because 0=0 and ∞=∞ to define the inversion of 1/1=1 in the undefinability of 1/0≡∞ ↔∞.0≡1 and limited in the mathematical symbolisation in the physicalisations of limits in 1/∞→0 and 1/0→∞ as the reciprocities of each other by 0/1≡0 and ∞/1≡∞.

So USING ABOVE the question of How many Zeros add up to 1 is answered as Infinity.


am I missing something?


Yes, NEAR 0 c* the Mathematics CAN BE refined in Metaphysical terms.

The MetaMathematics of Divisibility
Consider the maximum conditions of a system as being the inverse of the minimum conditions. This in a nutshell is Modular Duality as discussed in QR.

Allow this LINEAR scale from minimum to maximum to RECIRCULARISE itself, so reflecting the initialising process of something NOT describable in 'measurable' terms to THEN become measurable. This is the Mathematics of 0=1=∞=Infinity as some metaphysical ultimate Identity, which 'bounds' all of the mensuration physics in principles of mathematics.

The major principle here is that DIVISION DOES NOT EXIST.
So one cannot divide 0 nor 1 nor ∞=Infinity.
Then the Identities 0=0 and 1=1 and ∞=∞ form the SELFINTERACTION of the UNDIVIDED system.
The link to DIVISION and partitioning of the UNITY in THREE (Circular closure symbolised by cipher '0' ; its unfolding symbolised by cipher '1' and its multiplication symbolised by cipher '8' as 'two circles' moebian-connected in inventing 3D from 2D and 1D and 0D*) then are the ASYMPTOTES or LIMITS of the ratios 0/0=1/1=∞/∞.


{That is 3D-Volume as locus of a surface-point around a centre is contained within a 2-Sphere, whose 2D-Surface-Area is the locus of a circle as a 1-Sphere, rotated about the centre generating the sphere say. Defining this centre as midway between two endpoints then defines the 0-Sphere as 1D-Line from the 0D-Centre}.

This LIMIT must be 1, because only IF it is 1 do the Identities 0=0 and 1=1 and ∞=∞ hold true in the mapped system of the MetaMathematics or OmniMathematics becoming Mathematics, where only the Division of 1/1=1 is allowed by definition.
One could then define 0/0=1=1/1=∞/∞; 0/1=0 and 0/∞=02 for 0=∞.02 in 1/∞=0 and 1/0=∞ and ∞/0=∞2 for 1/0=∞.
Those definitions of OmniMathematics then become the limits of Mathematics by MetaMathematics.

The Division-Transformation dij=(0,1,∞) then can be expressed in the square matrix:


|1 Infinity Infinity2|
|0 1 Infinity | = D with Determinant detD,
|0^2 0 1 |
where detD=1(1^2-0.Infinity)-Infinity(0.1-0^2.Infinity)+Infinity2(0.0-1.0^2)
=1^3-1.0.Infinity-Infinity.0.1+(Infinity.0)2
=1^3-2.1^2+1^2=0

Thus matrix D is singular and has no inverse, all cofactors being also 0.
Matrix D is however symmetric in its transpose (exchanging rows i with columns j) for detD^T=0.

The Feynman Path so sums both negative and positive integers as:
-n......-3...-2...-1...0...1...2...3......n =T(n)=n(n+1) in absolute value to double the infinities as the entropy reversal of lightpath x=c.t=(-c)(-t) in the Möbius Property of the 4 worlds.

For the elementary Euler-Identy encompassing all dimensions in the Fibonacci-Roots X and Y then:
e^iπ =XY=X+Y= i² =cos(π)+isin(π) = -1

Cardinality Aleph-Null: lim[n->∞]{T(n)}=∞
Cardinality Aleph-All: lim [n->X]{T(n)}=1

Cantor Cardinality Aleph-Null is thus Unitised in Aleph-All, counting infinities as if they were integers of the Feynman Path.

AA

[SABINA]

iam not a creatonist of curse everbody has to find his own spirituality, divinity..

[abraxasinas]

hi A A,
the alien agenda knows about the vorticity of Gaia and it`s definition as the
universal sink source reciever iow Gaia is a substitute for the Andromeda galaxy
But why we humans don`t know???
we still are teaching our children we are an acciedent of nature and so on.
with all the best wishes
Sabina


Thank you Sabina!

Gaia is the Mother of all EVES as ALL WOMEN and is in archetypical words the 'placeholder' for Andromeda as the female galactic counterpart to the Milky Way as say Perseus.

All this derives from even earlier archetypes of a Fake-Adam as the Image of God/Creator/Prime Source.

Fake-Adam then creates a REAL EVE from his 'rib', because the fakeness or unreal image reflects in the spacetime creation in a notfake Eve and so a REAL EVE.

The standard theology has it backwards. Womanhood was REAL from the beginning and the Maleness was the Falsehood.

This became encoded in the Real Mother-Dragon becoming FAKED by a Male 'Bad-Red-Devil Dragon'.

So EVE as a REAL MOTHER (of all living- Genesis.3.20) was RESCUED in this KNOWLEDGE by the CHRIST-SERPENT Melchizedek (Plumed Serpent Kukulkan-Quetzacoatl). So now the chicken-egg paradox resolves itself in the PHYSICAL OVUM/RNA preceding the Physical Spermatozoa/DNA' but the METAPHYSICAL SEMEN/DNA preceding the Metaphysical Egg/RNA.

The 'banishment from Eden' then began the combined rescue mission of both Adam and Eve to FREE their Great Dragon-Mother aka the Universe=Creation=Barbelo=Andromeda=Gaia=EVEry Woman in the Cosmos.

The Great Dragon Mother is als Lilith, the Demonic Seductress and Succubus of hebrew Kabbalah.
Existing BEFORE Eve was created from Adam's Rib; Lilith REFUSED (REFUSAL=LASUFER backwards ---Lucifer+Lucifera monadic dyad) to SUBMIT to Adam in laying beneath him in (archetypical of course) sexual intercourse to reproduce.

Lilith flew away into the wilderness as the Mother Dragon to allow Eve to become her ambassadora.

Eventually, EVE retranslated her archetype in VIRGO being protected by her UNICORN (which only SHE could tame).
The UNICORN soon became the original Fake-Adam in the ways of the Bad Old Devil Dragon and the situation of the beginnings was reversed.

Instead the 'Evil Serpent' seducing and 'impregnating' EVE, EVE seduced and CAUSED impregnation of herself in 'Riding' and 'Mounting' the Unicorn as Adam as the Bad-Red-Beast in Revelation - The Whore of Babylon.

The Whore of Babylon is not a Woman, but a fake-Female Principle in the Female Devilishness, which NEVER existed in the first place, but became a convenient medium of fear for the 'church fathers' to denigrate womanhood and its inborn sexual power to birth not just REAL ADAMS, but ENTIRE UNIVERSES.

AA

[Jonah]

Abraxas,

The imagination of Thuban... could you mean in dream state?

In a dream I have seen a wall of fluid... increased propulsion into the wall increased possible outcomes...

as I was trying to get home... I drove a car through it..

Lot's of sand...

people coming from the wall in masses... this is going to sound funny... they looked like bicyclist...

does this sound like thuban??

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas,

The imagination of Thuban... could you mean in dream state?

In a dream I have seen a wall of fluid... increased propulsion into the wall increased possible outcomes...

as I was trying to get home... I drove a car through it..

Lot's of sand...

people coming from the wall in masses... this is going to sound funny... they looked like bicyclist...

does this sound like thuban??


Yes, all dreamstates are related to that fluid wall you have encountered in your own individualized filterings.
The fluidity represents your 'leaving the relative solidity' of the body and being confronted with the 'mental barriers' you have constructed or have allowed to have become constructed by conditionings of your interaction with others.

Your driving a car through it shows you that you are not yet comfortable to 'go home' without protection of shields.
Then the cyclists represent your 'friends' at the other sides coming 'away from home' to show you that there are many many beings there waiting to help you and anyone to know about the fluid wall being like sand, the apparent solidity criumbling into small bits you are able to handle without shields.
The bicycle rider is more vulnerable than the motorist in terms of protection from the environment.

AA

[Jonah]

Yes, all dreamstates are related to that fluid wall you have encountered in your own individualized filterings.
The fluidity represents your 'leaving the relative solidity' of the body and being confronted with the 'mental barriers' you have constructed or have allowed to have become constructed by conditionings of your interaction with others.

Your driving a car through it shows you that you are not yet comfortable to 'go home' without protection of shields.
Then the cyclists represent your 'friends' at the other sides coming 'away from home' to show you that there are many many beings there waiting to help you and anyone to know about the fluid wall being like sand, the apparent solidity criumbling into small bits you are able to handle without shields.
The bicycle rider is more vulnerable than the motorist in terms of protection from the environment.

AA

Hmm.. suppose that could be true...
but my understanding was that the car would allow more propulsion and I would travel deeper... as to say my "home" is much further from where I was and where the bicyclist were coming from... thanks for the reply:thumb_yello:

[Céline]

It must be very hard work to keep up with all this Abraxas, your invested time is appreciated by many.

Peace and tranquility leads to goals being fulfilled.

Let the mind soar, and the body rest.

http://dreamofstars.com/dream_otr_brown9_lg.jpg


http://dreamofstars.com/images/new/view/TOK.gif

[berathebrain]

Signed by the enscribed Unicornian Librarian; and announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:

ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING

The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008;

John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!


This is an interesting number properties. The sum of numbers is equal to the sum of primes squared, and to make it even more weird and interesting, that number is 666!
My question to you abraxasinas is: "Are there more of these numbers other than 666 that represents the link between numbers I described above?"

Thank you for you answers.

[Initiate]

[QUOTE=Initiate;227129]


Yes, NEAR 0 c* the Mathematics CAN BE refined in Metaphysical terms.

The MetaMathematics of Divisibility
Consider the maximum conditions of a system as being the inverse of the minimum conditions. This in a nutshell is Modular Duality as discussed in QR.

Allow this LINEAR scale from minimum to maximum to RECIRCULARISE itself, so reflecting the initialising process of something NOT describable in 'measurable' terms to THEN become measurable. This is the Mathematics of 0=1=∞=Infinity as some metaphysical ultimate Identity, which 'bounds' all of the mensuration physics in principles of mathematics.

The major principle here is that DIVISION DOES NOT EXIST.
So one cannot divide 0 nor 1 nor ∞=Infinity.
Then the Identities 0=0 and 1=1 and ∞=∞ form the SELFINTERACTION of the UNDIVIDED system.
The link to DIVISION and partitioning of the UNITY in THREE (Circular closure symbolised by cipher '0' ; its unfolding symbolised by cipher '1' and its multiplication symbolised by cipher '8' as 'two circles' moebian-connected in inventing 3D from 2D and 1D and 0D*) then are the ASYMPTOTES or LIMITS of the ratios 0/0=1/1=∞/∞.


{That is 3D-Volume as locus of a surface-point around a centre is contained within a 2-Sphere, whose 2D-Surface-Area is the locus of a circle as a 1-Sphere, rotated about the centre generating the sphere say. Defining this centre as midway between two endpoints then defines the 0-Sphere as 1D-Line from the 0D-Centre}.

This LIMIT must be 1, because only IF it is 1 do the Identities 0=0 and 1=1 and ∞=∞ hold true in the mapped system of the MetaMathematics or OmniMathematics becoming Mathematics, where only the Division of 1/1=1 is allowed by definition.
One could then define 0/0=1=1/1=∞/∞; 0/1=0 and 0/∞=02 for 0=∞.02 in 1/∞=0 and 1/0=∞ and ∞/0=∞2 for 1/0=∞.
Those definitions of OmniMathematics then become the limits of Mathematics by MetaMathematics.

The Division-Transformation dij=(0,1,∞) then can be expressed in the square matrix:


|1 Infinity Infinity2|
|0 1 Infinity | = D with Determinant detD,
|0^2 0 1 |
where detD=1(1^2-0.Infinity)-Infinity(0.1-0^2.Infinity)+Infinity2(0.0-1.0^2)
=1^3-1.0.Infinity-Infinity.0.1+(Infinity.0)2
=1^3-2.1^2+1^2=0

Thus matrix D is singular and has no inverse, all cofactors being also 0.
Matrix D is however symmetric in its transpose (exchanging rows i with columns j) for detD^T=0.

The Feynman Path so sums both negative and positive integers as:
-n......-3...-2...-1...0...1...2...3......n =T(n)=n(n+1) in absolute value to double the infinities as the entropy reversal of lightpath x=c.t=(-c)(-t) in the Möbius Property of the 4 worlds.

For the elementary Euler-Identy encompassing all dimensions in the Fibonacci-Roots X and Y then:
e^iπ =XY=X+Y= i² =cos(π)+isin(π) = -1

Cardinality Aleph-Null: lim[n->∞]{T(n)}=∞
Cardinality Aleph-All: lim [n->X]{T(n)}=1

Cantor Cardinality Aleph-Null is thus Unitised in Aleph-All, counting infinities as if they were integers of the Feynman Path.

AA




Yes, I visualised this last night while puzzling it out. I am not a specialist in metaphysics but have a mathematic and logic background. This work is purely internal reflection in contemplation of this topic. No one told me it but my self/selves.

I visualised that on it's own the rule where c = near 0 stands. If the range 0 -> ∞ was the scale of the shall we say +ve creation and If the mirror exists and there is a -ve creational mirror of the creation then if we take the two and overlap them then the intersection of them is the undefinable void. i.e.

(x/∞) + (-x/∞) = 0

this can of course be translated onto multiple dimensions. So can be moved into the 3rd dimensional symbol of ∞ rotated about the center or a doughnut.

is this visualisation suitable to the thuban perspective? I am attempting to translate the QR mathematics into laymen terms. I am a laymen in this topic (as are many here) and we all might better understand if we choose to understand. Imagine I am an explorer entering a strange new world of MetaMathematics where all my prior rule base is turned on its head and I am trying to connect this world with my own.

saying 0=1=∞=Infinity is like saying day = night and from a pure mathematical logic perspective is hard to take on board. For our benifit please realise that you may as well be talking a foreign language with the metaphysical conjecture as stated in your last reply. The MetaMathematics of Divisibility may be self supporting and self proving and give support for the thubin story but we are not schooled in this theory or the derivation processes that lead to the conclusions. There appears to be some subjectivity to interpretation.

Have you seen the Comedy "The Big Bang Theory"?

[Céline]

[QUOTE=abraxasinas;227249]
is this visualisation suitable to the thuban perspective? I am attempting to translate the QR mathematics into laymen terms as I am a laymen in this topic as are many here and we all might better understand if we choose.

Thank you, this perspective is needed on this thread...

[abraxasinas]

Hmm.. suppose that could be true...
but my understanding was that the car would allow more propulsion and I would travel deeper... as to say my "home" is much further from where I was and where the bicyclist were coming from... thanks for the reply:thumb_yello:

Hi Jonah!

My reply was peripheral and addressed some basic archetypes or symbols.
It was by no means comprehensive and your additional analysis is supplementary and just as valid as my reply.

I agree with your statements above in the context raised.

AA

[abraxasinas]

This is an interesting number properties. The sum of numbers is equal to the sum of primes squared, and to make it even more weird and interesting, that number is 666!
My question to you abraxasinas is: "Are there more of these numbers other than 666 that represents the link between numbers I described above?"

Thank you for you answers.

Hi berathebrain!

There are many, like Pascal's Triangle leading into polynomials and the binomial coefficients.
Much of this you can find on the internet.
Something you will not yet find on the internet is the 33-tiered Maria-Matrix. It is here on this forum in thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18834

A very basic one and related to the above thread are the Perfect Numbers
of the Greeks.


Schismatic and Sacred Science & Perfect Numbers

The Greek alchemy of course became 'modern chemistry' and Plato's five elements mapped as his 'perfect solids' and later as say 'quantum gauge interactions' in the post-Newtonian science redefining itself.

The Aristotelean physics of precise measurement of the physical parameters was retained and the Platonist-Pythagorean physics of 'divine perfection' became largely abandoned in this scientific reformation.

Something of a remnant could not be erased in this new scientific paradigm however - the 'science of divinity' or the science of 'creative providence'.
This residue today pervades all sections and strata of society and is a powerful component of all political, religious and cultural institutions.
So even if this 'science of divinity' or 'omniscience' is a purely psychological construct and without any physical measurement significance whatsoever; it still plays an important, sometimes even dominant role in the affairs of states and national agendas of whatever political persuasion and affiliation.

So can one find a common factor UNITING all those psychological constructs in a form acceptable to the 'Mensuration Science' and perhaps in a form more akin the 'science of divinity' of Newton and the Greek alchemists?
One can do so, if one can discover a 'common denominator' for the divinity sciences, invariably coloured in the codes of language and interpretations.

And here one can introduce certain 'emotion charged' labellings or words, such as ALLAH and GOD and AL QAEDA as factors of the omniscience.
Then in other words, using the psychology of the historical residue of divinity science, this also holds the key to unite the religions, say linked to political constructs and affairs of state. This could be followed perhaps, by a more global and political unity, born from a new understanding of its own linguistic codes.

And then it does not really matter if the 'gods and allahs' exist in a physical reality or only as psychological constructs, created or invented by sentient 'citizens'.
Because 'they' most assuredly exist as psychological creations; 'they' carry a significant 'emotional energy', which perhaps can be modelled in a form of 'consciousness' in physical parameters following an unification of the language codes underpinning 'their' reality as 'emotion-charged' and say mental energy constructions.

This will introduce a scenario, where no numbers exist at all; so the decoding following is necessarily post-facto and assuming the Set of Natural Numbers N, say given in a statement, such as: N={1,2,3,4....n; nÞn+1 PMI}; and where PMI is a label for a procedure termed Principle of Mathematical Induction.

'Perfect Numbers' or PN's are those numbers of the set N, which add all their factors to sum their eigenstate or self-identity.

Then the first PN is PN1=6=1+2+3=1.2.3=√(6²)=(1.2.3)^1.

The second PN is PN2=28=1+2+4+7+14=√(28²)=√(1.2.4.7.14)^½=√784.

PN3=496=1+2+4+8+16+31+62+124+248=(1.2.4.8.16.31.62 .124.248)^¼ and

PN4=8128=1+2+4+8+16+32+64+127+254+508+1016+2032+40 64=
(1.2.4.8.16.32.64.127.254.508.1016.2032.4064)^1/6.

In more detail:
6=1+2+3=½[3][4]
28=1+2+3+4+5+6+7=½[7][8]=1³+3³=1+2+4+7+14
496=1+2+3+...+30+31=½[31][32]=1³+3³+5³+7³
=1+2+4+8+16+31+62+124+248

8128=1+2+3+...+127+128=½[127][128]=1³+3³+5³+7³+9³+11³+13³+15³
=1+2+4+8+16+32+64+127+254+508+1016+2032+4064

We shall reencounter the mathematical form of.. Σ=½[n][n+1] later, but note here, that there exists this 'special number' x=2 as the solution for the quadratic x+x=2x=x²=4 or x²-2x=0.

This is the only number of the set N, whose 'doubling' is identical to its 'squaring'.

It also defines the 'Derivative' of the 'Perfect Square' x² as d(x²)=2x.dx.
We may also define a set PN={PN1; PN2; PN3; PN4;...PNn}={6; 28; 496; 8128;...PNn} and as a subset of N.

We now write:
PN1+PN2=6+28=34=1+2+3+4+(4.6)=10+4.6 and
PN1.PN2=6.28=168=4.42=(4.7).6=(10+4.6).6.

Additional decompositions can then be constructed in 'Pure Number Theory'. The emphasis here is on the factorisation of the factors 4, 6 and 7; as those factors shall reappear in the cosmogenesis of the universe from an algorithmic number string.

10=1+2+3+4 is of course the Pythagorean Tetractys for the basis of dimensions and defines the Platonic Tetrahedron as the basic minimal structure for a 3D-Volume in a 4D-Spacetime.

1 point represents the 0th dimension or 'singularity', forming the 1st dimension in connecting to a second such point as a straight- or curved line, the latter being named geodesic and as the shortest connection between the two points as 1D.

2D is formed in connecting both points to a noncollinear 3rd point as a triangular plane, either flat or curved as say sperically convex or hyperbolically concave.

3D then is the introduction of a 4th point, noncoplanar to the 2D triangular plane constructing the Platonic Tetrahedron.

Omniscience aka the 'science of divinity' of the Greek alchemists now allows the arbitrary assignment of alphanumeric codes, which so enable us to proceed with the unification of the languages underpinning the politico-social and religio-cultural constructs of global societies.

We begin with ONE and TWO in assigning SOME alphanumeric mapping, say the Arabic Alphabet in a ONE-to-ONE correspondence with the set N, say in the set of pairings, given by:
§={(1,A);(2,B);(3,C);...;(24,X);(25,Y);(26,Z)}.

We also introduce a property of the set N in rootreducing a decimal 10-count in the repeatability of the 9 elements in a definition:

9=0+9=1+8=18*=2.9*=2+7=27*=3.9**=3+6=36***=49***=. ..(10-1)=99**********=11.9**********=....etc . etc.

We have ONE=15+14+5=34→3+4=7 and TWO=20+23+15=58→5+8=13=4*.

Now we apply a 'Perfect Symmetry' to some of our linguistic labellings, irrespective from the native language they derived, albeit translated.
ALLAH=ALHLA=34=ONE and ALHLA as an anagram of ALLAH is rendered perfectly symmetric in reading the same from right to left, as it does from left to right.

Also we have GOD=26=ALHLA-8 and where 26 represents the total number count of the applied alphanumeric code, so unifying two linguistics in a perfect symmetry in a first application. The code would extend in multiples akin the rootreduction applied before in A*=27; B*=28;...;A**=53 and so on.

GODDOG=DOGGOD=2.GOD=GOD²=52→5+2→7***=3+4→ONE=ALLAH .
GOD+H=ALLAH=GOD+8=GOD+∞, both symbolically and symmetrically.

TWO=GODDOG+6=52+6 and where now ABBA=6 defines the 1st BASE as the first Perfect Number in the selfsame 'Perfect Symmetry'.
So alphanumerically, ALLAH encompasses GOD as ONE in a 'Perfect Symmetry' and this symmetry 'Doubles GOD' in the ONE as TWO in the addition of the first basic PN1=6=1+2+3=1.2.3.

AA

[hippihillbobbi]

Originally from Abraxasinas:

Anyway this is another story, but I shared it because this forum here is like a copycat spiritually for this 'spiritual war' between the 'Angels andd the Demons' say.
The difference today is, that the 'singlemindedness' of Yeshuah CAN be shared in comparison to two millennia ago, when it could not (it's in the scriptures, gnostic and synoptic and apocryphal).
So the 'Atlantean Rebellion' of the past and of the pharaoh or elected highpriest has become an 'Earth Rebellion' of today of many pharaohs and elected highpriests.


Abraxas --

WHY is it that the 'singlemindedness' of Yeshuah can be shared today but not two millenia ago? does this refer to the essential event of Yeshua's death-resurrection-ascension, as a necessary catalyst for humanity's spiritual growth and development?

thanks so much for the depth in which you answered my dragon/serpent question above ...... much appreciated.

hippihill

[abraxasinas]

[QUOTE=abraxasinas;227249]



Yes, I visualised this last night while puzzling it out. I am not a specialist in metaphysics but have a mathematic and logic background. This work is purely internal reflection in contemplation of this topic. No one told me it but my self/selves.

I visualised that on it's own the rule where c = near 0 stands. If the range 0 -> ∞ was the scale of the shall we say +ve creation and If the mirror exists and there is a -ve creational mirror of the creation then if we take the two and overlap them then the intersection of them is the undefinable void. i.e.

(x/∞) + (-x/∞) = 0

Yes Initiate. This is simply the Numberline from -Infinity to +Infinity MIRRORED or neutralised or Halved by 0.

this can of course be translated onto multiple dimensions. So can be moved into the 3rd dimensional symbol of ∞ rotated about the center or a doughnut.

Indeed, the crucial point between the single-connected sphere and the multi-connected torus in topology is that the single center of the circle becomes bifocal in the geometrical definition of an ellipse as locus of the circumferential point tracing out the elliptical geometry as a constant sum of the position vectors from the two foci to their common locus.

This simple 2D plane geometry then allows a spheroidal selfcontained Einstein-Riemann Universe to become THE BOUNDARY for a 4D Riemannian Hypersphere.
So the entire 3D universe of observation and measurement becomes a 3D surface as the Information Mapping of this 3D Volume onto its 3D Envelope, which must become in physical terms a Mother-Black Hole in 5D-8D-11D.
This concept is presently the subject of a new astrophysics on the grandest scale, known as the Holographic Universe of a 5D deSitter Kaluza-Klein cosmology coupled to the 'No boundary' proposals of Hawking-Penrose-Behenstein-Maldacena and Susskind.


is this visualisation suitable to the thuban perspective? I am attempting to translate the QR mathematics into laymen terms. I am a laymen in this topic (as are many here) and we all might better understand if we choose to understand. Imagine I am an explorer entering a strange new world of MetaMathematics where all my prior rule base is turned on its head and I am trying to connect this world with my own.

I would fully support you in this endeavour and applaud your efforts to do so. To 'understand' the Thuban omni-physics, no advanced tensor calculus or lie group algebra is required.
Just as the Einstein field equations applied to the universe as a whole CAN indeed be derived from Newtonian Mechanics; so is a basic understanding of Newtonian physics sufficient to 'decipher' the Thuban omni-science.

The complexities of Terran physics are based on the generalisations of the formulations. So to calculate the perihelion of Mercury as the deviation of the 'closure of its elliptical orbit' around the sun from the Newtonian-Kepler equations, one must apply the LOCAL gravity of the system.
General Relativity so becomes an Universal Local Theory.

But calculating the gravity of selfcontained systems, say the Solar System, will allow the local deviations to be ignored in the solutions and for the Universe as a whole, the equations are becoming even simpler still.

Ok, the rules of mathematics and the sciences are however NOT 'turned on their head'; they are simply EXTENDED and retain their Newtonian and Einsteinian basis.

saying 0=1=∞=Infinity is like saying day = night and from a pure mathematical logic perspective is hard to take on board.

This is a good point, but the mathematical statement above derives from the VOID, where NO numbers like the set N existed.
So consider the following:
1. An Infinite Computer Loop becomes symbolised in the cipher 0;
2. To 'escape' Eternity, this 'loop' must be broken and so is archetyped as 1;
3. The 'escape' of the linearization is recircularized in the binary dyad {0,1} reconfiguring itself as Doubling the original size of the 0 as two halved o's in the symbol of the 8.
4. No numbers aside the Monadic Triad {0,1,8} exist as the binary transform into the decad {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} as a subset of N has not yet been programmed.

So from 4. the Metamathematics becomes a precursor or 'parent' for the Mathematics of the today.


For our benifit please realise that you may as well be talking a foreign language with the metaphysical conjecture as stated in your last reply. The MetaMathematics of Divisibility may be self supporting and self proving and give support for the thubin story but we are not schooled in this theory or the derivation processes that lead to the conclusions. There appears to be some subjectivity to interpretation.

Of course there is subjectivity.
Before the wheel or the lightbulb were invented physically, the emotion of the thoughtforms of the possibilities to construc-t such things physically engaged the subjectivity or template-form of the thing before it became objectified in the things creation.
It's the afterthought of the physical reality REALISING its own forethought of the potential possibilities.


Have you seen the Comedy "The Big Bang Theory"?

Peripherally; I am more interested in the reconstruction of the Physically Real Big Bang Theory from its Metaphysical ontological precursor.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Originally from Abraxasinas:

Anyway this is another story, but I shared it because this forum here is like a copycat spiritually for this 'spiritual war' between the 'Angels andd the Demons' say.
The difference today is, that the 'singlemindedness' of Yeshuah CAN be shared in comparison to two millennia ago, when it could not (it's in the scriptures, gnostic and synoptic and apocryphal).
So the 'Atlantean Rebellion' of the past and of the pharaoh or elected highpriest has become an 'Earth Rebellion' of today of many pharaohs and elected highpriests.


Abraxas --

WHY is it that the 'singlemindedness' of Yeshuah can be shared today but not two millenia ago? does this refer to the essential event of Yeshua's death-resurrection-ascension, as a necessary catalyst for humanity's spiritual growth and development?

thanks so much for the depth in which you answered my dragon/serpent question above ...... much appreciated.

hippihill

Indeed hillibill!

Jesus aka Yeshua aka Yeshuah was able to decipher the oldest archetypes available to the human mind.
First as a student of the Essenes at Qumran and then via his extensive sojourns into Egypt, where he studied and debated with the philosophers and the record keepers, say Alexandria.

In about 22 years from about 6AD to 28 AD, Jesus decoded the master scroll of Isaiah in connection with the prophetic timelines in Genesis, Ezekiel and Daniel and so REMEMBERED the 'Big Story' the 'Story of God'.
Jesus so assumed the 'Office of Melchizedek' (or the Plumed Serpent) and became the LOGOS of CREATION. This office is a key to the logos as the 'Alchemy of Creation say' and I have attached it to this message at the end.
The significance of the LOGOS is that only the Logos can change archetypical definitions which are both OUTSIDE material existence and INSIDE of it.
So the MANIFESTED archetypes {say a Man as ADAM and a Woman as EVE} are 'stuck' in the INSIDE and separated from their ABSTRACT originals of the OUTSIDE, if the Real Physical Universe of the selfrelative Inside is distinct from the selfrelative Outside of the Metaphysical Reality.
This is the 'firmament' dividing Heaven from Earth say in Genesis.1.7.

Jesus as the Logos so went on his mission to bring Heaven and Earth back together in changing the archetypes from within the physical creation.

He knew of Ezekiel's 'Valley of Dry Bones' and the 'resurrection archetype'.
He also understood the true meaning of ADAM and EVE, especially the fakeness of Adam and the trueness of EVE as reflections of each other in the mirror of the Eden archetype.
God=True and images himself in Adam, so Adam is false by nature of the mirror.
But the rib of Adam makes Eve real and so Eve is like a 'Wife or Bride' of God, leaving Adam alone as the original God.

Then a fake-God images fake-Adam rendering fake-Adam real relative to the Old Testament God Jehovah or YHWK (the gnostics and Essenes knew this and this became their 'heresy' leading to their persecutions).

So the fake-God 'rapes' true Eve in archetypes to allow BOTH Adam and EVE to 'get out of the paradise fake' and with help of the SERPENT=PRESENT=SONOFMAN=97, i.e. the Melchizedek-Christ.

Being 'out of the fake-God's 'paradise of ignorance'; true Eve gives birth to true Adams carrying however the original false-true dichotomy within the archetypes NOW WITHIN the material universe, the metaphysical universe so being forced to become False relative to the physical reality.

So the overarching archetype is:
CREATOR=SOURCE=GOD=MIND=WAVE=MALE=IMAGE of ADAM=TRUE and
CREATION=SINK=GODDESS=PARTICLE=FEMALE=IMAGE OF EVE=FALSE

Jesus so decides to make ADAM TRUEFALSE and EVE FALSETRUE.
This requires the Father Creator to become a FatherMother and the Mother Creation to change into a MotherFather.

The Old Man aka Adam as archetype so carries the True MindWave of God and a False BodyParticle as his Bodyform.

Corollarily, the Old Woman as archetype carries a True Bodyform but has a 'wrong' mindedness.
All minds in the creation are male and all bodies are female. The REAL MALE and the REAL FEMALE do not yet exist, only characteristics seemingly separating the sexes do.
'All woman think like men, but pretend not to do so and all men have feminine bodies, but pretend to be masculine'.
This is the oldest archetype of the cosmic disharmony in the entire creation.
Much perceived sexism in scriptures illustrates just that, the subjugation of the female mind to the male one; WITHOUT adding that all male bodies must then be subjugated to their female partner's one.
Many men know, that the female rules the bedroom and many scientists know that all earlyembryos are female and turn into males later on in the gestation by DNA/RNA programming.

So Jesus decided to redefine himself as a male of female mindedness and so realised as One the only true real male bodidness ever itherto in material existence.

This, in terms of archetypes, reflected from within the creation the Male Body of the Christ-Logos to the Creation, the Female Body of the Great Mother-Dragon.
So for the first time in the 19.1 billion year history of the material universe; the 'Great Mother' became impregnated with a True Male Babychild {Revelation.12}.
Hitherto all human males born had carried the archetyped female bodyform of Herself.

Now the fake-usurper God Jehovah aka Yaldabaoth aka the Lionface with the Serpenttail (see Secret Book of John from the Nag Hammadi Codex also the Enlil-Enki brotherhood mythology) who was the FAKE-IMAGE of the Real God (Perfect One in said reference) OUTSIDE as the Father-Source-Creator was, for the first time ever, be confronted by His opposite True Female MindWave of Jesus. This 'destroyed' the Identity of the False-God-Image and as the 'wound to one of the seven heads' of the beast in Revelation.13.3.

This then allowed Jesus to ABSORB the entire Creation inside of himself as a redefined himherself - the cosmic twinship of the self as the Egyptian LionTwin and as Didymos Thomas in Gnosis and as the Cosmic Bisexual Androgyne Hermaphrodite - not physically, but archetypically.

But this had to be restricted to the ONENESS of Jesus. HeShe could not share herhis new cosmic ID, because the 'holographically' concentrated universe remained 'trapped' in the indviduated bodyform of Jesus.

So Jesus knew that heshe had to 'give up' his old body to get a new one allowing the hologram to multiply as One in Many.
His Old male body would have to become the CORE of any old AdamMan and this Old Man, would have to Understand the Story of God to allow Jesus to POSSESS HIM as the SUCCUBUS of the old 'demonic' archetypes.
This Old Man had indeed the true mind of the creator and so the story would have the potential to be understood.

The Old Woman would also be asked to allow Jesus to become HER Core, but not in body but in mind. The Old Woman carried the Power of the Body as EVE the Great Mother Dragon and so required no redefinition in bodyform, but her mindwave was 'contaminated' or possessed in the image of the usurper God in Jehovah's fake-malemindedness.
The Old Woman required the INCUBUS of the Christ-Logos to POSSESS HER, replacing the old demonic archetypes.
Jesus IS the Lion of Judah {Revelation.5.5} and must be 'eaten' as the true meaning of the 'Last Supper' and the 'Eucharist' of catholicism.
Jesus IS the BODY of the UNIVERSE, now quarantining the Earth in the archetype of Gaia as the BODY of a New Earth to be born following the timeline of the 'Mother in the Wilderness' in Revelation.12.

Skeptical enquirers ask yourself; WHY is Jesus REBORN in Heaven after Ascension and supposedly 'Sitting at the right side of the Father'?
Reason, this rebirth is not ONE but the MANY 'being able to handle the ONE'!

(07) Jesus says:
"Blessed is the lion that a person will eat and the lion will become human.
And cursed (anathema) is the person whom a lion will eat and the lion will become human."

(80) Jesus says:
"Whoever has come to know the world has found the (dead) body.
But whoever has found the (dead) body, of him the world is not worthy."

(108) Jesus says:
"Whoever will drink from my mouth will become like me.
I myself will become he, and what is hidden will be revealed to him."


An ancient inscription is legendarily ascribed to the Egyptian Ibisgod Thoth and is supposedly his hieroglyphic legacy left as a testimonial in the Great Pyramid of Cheops or Khufu.
It was translated ages ago by German archaeologists and exists as a prototype in the 'Amphitheatrum Sapientae Aeternae of Heinrich Khunrath', the 'Amphitheatre of Eternal Wisdom' and is dated to 1609.


Verba secretorum hermetis!

(1) Verum sine menda cio certum & verissimum, quod est inferi est sicut quod est superius & quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius; ad peristranda miracula rei uni.
(2) Et sicut omnes res fuerunt ab uno, meditatione unius, sic omnes res nuta fuerunt ab hac
una adaptatione.
(3) Pater ei, est sol, mater eius luna, portavit illud ventus in ventre.
(4) Suo nutrix eius terra est.
(5) Pater omnis talismi toti mundi.
(6) Est hic vis ei.
(7) Integra est sive fuerit in terram separabis terram ab igne, subtile & spisso, suaviter cum magno ingenio.
(8) Ascendit terra in coelum, iterumque descendit in terram & recipit vim superiorum & inferiorum.
(9) Sic habebis gloriam toti mundi.
(10) Ideo fugi atite omnis obscuritas.
(11) Hic est totius fortitudinis fortitudo fortis.
(12) Quia vincet omnem rem subtilem, omnem que solidam penetrabit.
(13) Sic mundus creatus est.
(14) Hinc erunt adaptationes mirabilis quarum modus hic est.
(15) Itaque vocatus sum Hermes Trismegistus, habens tres partes philosophie totis mundi.
(16) Completum est quod dixi de operatione solis.
Mercurius Trismegistus in Pimandro.

Das Wort des geheimnisvollen Boten

(1) Wahrhaftig, keiner Luegen bewusst und auf das aller wahrhaftigste; das Unten ist dem Oben gleich und das Obere is dasselbe als da Untere; damit kann man das wunderbare eines einzigen Dinges erlangen und verrichten.
(2) Und wie alle Dinge durch die Wahl eines einzigen Wesens erschaffen sind, werden alle Dinge durch das Denken eines Einzigen mit dem Einen duch Schickung und Gebot wieder zusammengefuegt.
(3) Die Sonne ist sein Vater und der Mond ist seine Mutter, der Wind hat ihn in seinem Bauch getragen.
(4) Seine Ernaehrerin oder Amme ist die Erde.
(5) Dieser ist der Vater aller Vollkommenheit dieser ganzen Welt.
(6) Seine Macht ist vollkommen.
(7) Wenn Es in der Erde verwandelt wird, dann wird das Erdreich vom Feuer scheiden und das Feine vom Groben; ganz lieblich mit grosser Bescheidenheit und Verstand.
(8) Er steigt von der Erde in den Himmel und vom Himmel wieder zur Erde zurueck und gewinnt so die Kraft des Oberen und des Unteren.
(9) Auf diese Weise wird all die Herrlichkeit der ganzen Welt erhalten.
(10) Deshalb versetze von Dir allen Unverstand und Unvermoegenheit.
(11) Das ist von aller Staerke die staerkste Staerke.
(12) Dann kann das uebriggebliebene Subtile gewonnen und das alte, harte Gewand durchdrungen werden.
(13) Also ist die Welt geschaffen.
(14) Daher geschehen seltsame Vereinigungen und deshalb werden mancherlei Wunder gewirkt.
(15) Und sei darum gesund, Hermes Trismegistus, Besitzer der dreiteiligen Weisheit von der ganzen Welt.
(16) Er wird alles erfuellen, was ich gesagt habe, vom Werke der Sonnen.
Merkur, der dreifach Grosse, in Pimandro.


The Emerald Tablet of the Secret Messenger

(1) Truly, without fault and in all certainty and truthfulness; what is below is like what is above and the above is the same as the below, for the purpose to experience and bring about the wonders of the one thing.
(2) And as all things are created through the choosing of one being; so the thinking of one with the one, brings all things by command and fate together again.
(3) His father is the sun and his mother is the moon; the wind has carried him in his womb.
(4) He is joined together and nursed by the earth.
(5) This is the father of all completeness of the entire world.
(6) His power is all inclusive.
(7) At the time of its renewal, the soil shall separate from the fire and the subtle from the rough,
acting sweetly and with great ingenuity.
(8) He ascends sagaciously from the earth into heaven and then descends again into the earth, thus regaining the unifying force of the above and the below.
(9) In this way is all the glory of all the worlds obtained.
(10) Therefore avoid all ignorance.
(11) Herein is found in all strenght the strongest strength.
(12) By this can the remaining subtle whole be won and the old solid whole be penetrated.
(13) Thus is the creation of the world.
(14) Henceforth the eventuation of strange adaptations by extraordinary methods.
(15) Accordingly be well, Hermes Trismegistos, keeper of the tripartite wisdom of the unified worlds.
(16) He will accomplish that of which I have spoken through the operations of the suns.
Mercury, the thrice-great, in Pimandro.

So who is this Hermes Trismegistos?
It is the archetype for the 'Teacher of Righteousness.
Right throughout the ages of humankind, there have been sages, soothsayers, prophets and mystics of all kinds; some sincere and others praying on the superstitions and the gullibilities of the general members of the population.

One remembers the Naassenes; an early Christian Gnostic sect and closely associated with Jesus-Yeshuah.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hello Abraxas,



I've been following your Thuban thread on the Avalon forum and would like to contribute but for some odd reason I've been unable to register so I can't comment (I keep getting the message that my e-mail has been banned) I don't know if they are having technical problems or what but anyway, I thought that if you don't mind, maybe you could answer some of my questions by e-mail if that's ok with you? Cheers,


Julissa

Sure Julissa; you are welcome to do so here or on the forum.

Abraxas


Thank You! I really appreciate it. First of all I would like to know what is Thuban exactly.

Sure Julissa!

It's a codename for FREEDOM=THUBAN=66=33+33=THE NAME=THE MAGIC=ANUBIS=WOMAN=...

Is it the name of the center of our galaxy or universe?

Astronomers call the center of the Milky Way galaxy as a radiosource Sagittarius A*. The Mayas callit Hunab Ku - the Giver of all wisdom.

Is it a conciousness, a race of humans?

Yes, its StarHumanity and YOU as a future self, who has discovered the secrets of time. It resides in 12D as the VOID of nospace and notime and mirrors your experienced 3D reality of being intime and inspace.

And this Council you keep refering to, who are they?

They are you in say a groupsoul form; many yous as One, say exemplified in the quadruplicity of you right now as 4 sexual chromosomatic aspects: Y0X1+Y0X2+X0X1+X0X2. From this all this 'sexual ID' confusion arises.
Now you experience yourself as a human being trapped in linearity of beginnings and endings, say cycles of birth and death; the Council is within you as a witness to your soul evolution say and as aspects of a 1-4-2x12-144,000-288,000 evolvement of the center of the circle (the unity) through its diffusing and multiplying aspects.

Does every universe have its own local creator God?

There is only the one universe at present. But when the Unity of before begins extending, then this one universe will become the SEED for phaseshifted universes based on the individual relationship to that seed.
It's like baby generations really, based on a living grandparenthood.

If present humans on earth are all Thubans does it mean their souls came originally from there?

Yes, the soul is a quadruplicity in the sexchromosomes for starters as Y0X1+Y0X2+X0X1+X0X2. From this the 'sexual confusions' about sexual IDs derive. Furthermore every soul is actually a groupsoul, trying to remember its origins and such in the lifetimes experienced in the linear time sense.

Why was this word chosen?

Because it allows the polarisation of fearbased agendas to surface to become processed by new data.

Does everyone in our Universe know the Thubans as Thubans or are they called by different names?

THUBAN is known as the FREEDOM vibration, everywhere except the earthbased data collectors.

Why the symbol of the Dragon?

See below. I don't know if you have already seen this on the forum.

Does it have to do with the origin of the human being?

Yes, the future human as the starhuman IS the Dragon of the ancient origin (as a myth or fantasy - see below.


I mean, if "modern" humans have in them DNA from many different species, would the Dragon be a mix of a serpent, and a bird?

Sort of, as in the Burnley Relief of LILITH as the PRIMORDIAL CREATION.
LILITH=Barbelo=Great Dragon Mother (as the Hebrew SexDemon or Succubus).
Lilith becomes EVE as ambassadora for the universe to redeem ADAM as the true Image for God as the Great Father Serpent say.
Then the EVE also becomes VIRGO riding the UNICORN as the male dragon transfomed from its Serpent status - see story below.

Why do the Dragons in the "Neverending Story" and "Spirited Away" movies are the color white?

The White Dragon is the Real LOVEHEART DRAGON as the UNICORN.

I've heard that many women calculated their pregnancies so as to give birth in the year 2000 (Chinese year of the Dragon) because they thought it was an auspicious and very lucky time to bring a child into the world. Do you know anything about these kids? I mean in the way as to how they are special?

This is simply what many term the 'New Generation' the Indigos or whatever. The 'New World' will belong to them when they grow up. We older ones are the pioneers. The allegience is between Grandparents and Grandchildren. The parents are too busy for living in the Old World.

What does it mean when a Dragon exhales fire? Is it the fire of truth?

The spiritual SWORD=WORDS=79, so yes you could say this characterizes the archetype.


Julissa http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/05.gif

Abraxas



Thank you for such prompt response! You are very kind for answering my questions! I wish I could enter the forum, but they don't let me register...

About the Universe, how is it that there is only one at present? Or did I misunderstand? I thought this universe was finite and beyond it another one started and that a group of universes made up the cosmos. Can you please clarify this for me?

Sure Julissa!

Think of an egg and imagine this egg having an axis through its long end. Now rotate this egg about this axis. The plane of the egg (a cross section) will be elliptical in shape as the long axis, but will be circular in rotation about either of the short axes (say looking at the egg cut in half midway the long axis).
Put two focus points on the long axis.
Rotating around the long axis will NOT change those two focus points.
Rotating about either of the short axes WILL force the focus points to trace out a point circle.

Now the One Universe IS the rotating long axis univere as a PROTOVERSE a SEED for a Family of Universes, called a MULTIVERSE.

A MULTIVERSE so is a PHASESHIFTED PROTOVERSE of at least two angular displacements.
Simply spin your egg laying on the table and imagine the Envelope for this spinning (fixed and not moving on the table except the spinning) egg as the Envelope for ALL possible and potentially infinite number of Multiverses.
Another analogy is your House built from bricks.
Your house got many bricks, one such brick is 'my' universe as a phaseshifted protoverse. Similarly my house got many bricks , one of whom becomes your entire holographic universe of your house. (In my father's house are many mansions. I go prepare a place for you!, Jesus' words now might make more sense to you ion more scientific labelings).

So rotation about either of the minor axis creates Multiverses, CENTERED however on thew single Protoverse. Geometrically, this becomes an Oblate Ellipsoid, transformed from ther Prolate Ellipsoid of the Protoverse.
Summing all three rotations in one crerates the OMNIVERSE as the total integration of all possible Multiverses seeded on the Protoverse. The shape of the Omniverse is that of the typical UFO, again as an Oblate Spheroid, say a sphere compressed at its poles.

There are many competing models for the universe in the standard cosmologies of the physicists and philosophers (including ekpyrotic brane collissions, many worlds, parallel universes and the anthropic principles); most of whom neglect the fact that a family of spacially separated universes yet requires a subplenum or background to accomodate this spacial separatedness.
The described cosmology above allows the multiverses to EMERGE from its parental seed WITHOUT this spacial separation.

In short, the parallel universe is a misnomer for a phaseshifted family of universes in angular NOT linear displacement.


If there is only this one after all, then what lies beyond it?

The One Universe is both Interdimensional in colocality of higher dimensions and Multidimensional in the accomodation of densification in frequency states within that interdimensionality. The One Omniverse is Finite yet allows expansion towards (asymptotic) Infinity as a Unity. The Boundary for the Finiteness so is a higher dimensional Mirror which must define this boundary as a dimensional transit from 11-10 and substructured in density from 8-7 and 5-4.
More technically the 3D volume becomes a 3D surface area so allowing an extra dimension to add to the 3D surface area to create a new 4D-volume. This is programmed to occur from April 2012 onwards to the end of August 2013.
There is no spacetime beyond the 11D universe encompassing a 'collapsed' or projected 12th dimension.
Technically this relates to the statement of Hawking, in his 'no boundary cosmologies': What is North of the Northpole?

and who created it? Is the Creation..God?

Yes, Prime Source, then bifurcating in 2nd Order to Prime SourceSink or CreatorCreation of GoddoG or FatherMother created this in archetype before physically manifesting it in standard cosmological models.
The 'God' here is a superenergy definition, defined by the 'Intelligence' of this 'God' termed the Logos.
If you could remember your beingness before any spacetime existed; you would realise that you are a combination of the Superenergy and this Logos. You are the Goddess archetype seeking remembrance of your origins, so you can understand the 'Story of God' as the 'Story of My Life as Julissa'!

I am originally from Perú and I know the Incas workshipped the Creation above the Sun, not just the Sun as many think. They called the Creator God: Wiracocha. Is this God a collective then?

Absolutely, the Inca have remembrance often more encompassing and deep than more 'modern' cultures.


If there is only one Universe, then perhaps when I heard talk about there being many Universes, did that mean many dimensions within this one Universe? Each dimension being a Universe onto itself?

This I tried to outline in the above.

I also heard talk about being many dimensions of existance not only 12, say 126th or 140 something dimension, etc. and I never really understood that concept. So, if there is only one "Mega Universe" so far, and many dimensions existing within it, could it be that each dimension has their own "mini" Universes contained within them, and so each consequent dimension has its own set of dimensions contained therein, ans so forth onto infinity?

There is much confusion about the meaning of dimension. A dimension in geometric terms (there are meanings in algebraic terms as well) is a precise quality of a directed quantity or parameter, such as displacement or velocity or acceleration.
Mathematically, it has been 'proven' that a 10D universe allows all physical phenomena observed to become encapsulated in a selfconsistent and iterative formulation of archetypes and symbols.

It is true, that there exists a 26D superstructure in terms of a mathematical construct of what is called a Bosonic Superstring (Boson means integer spin and Fermion means halfinteger spin).
The 26D bosonic superstring manifests mathematically as a anticlockwise quantum spin patterns in 26D.
However clockwise spin patterns in 10D allow those 26D counterclockwise spin pattern to become 'collapsed' or conifolded or absorbed by a HYBRID HETEROSIS and then it crystallizes (through complicated advanced algebraic manipulations and formulations), that there can only be 10 string dimensions and 11 membrane dimensions to 'keep' the mathematics selfconsistent and elegant.

Some 'New Age' ideas of 15D and 33D and such are remnant of an older edit and retranslation of archetypes, such as for example the Urantia Channelings which posited Jesus as the sole occupant of the 15D then increasing his scope of interaction into the lower dimensions.
Things like these have more relevance to say the Tarot archetypes and numerological and alphanumeric systems, than physics applied to the cosmology and cosmogony of the universe.
Many aspiring cosmologists, not so familiar with the mathematical archetypes and their physical applications, have continually mixed the older archetypes of the human collective histories, without a clear understanding of those archetypes and symbols.

Is this what Nassim haramein calls a fractal holographic Universe?

Yes, I am in large agreement with the works of Haramein and Elizabeth Rauscher.
I have written a published critique here: http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder7.pdf and
http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder6.pdf .

Talking about Nassim's theory, I know you wrote a paper about it and have yet to read it for lack of time really, but I will asap....tell me.... what are the aspects in his reasoning that you find lacking?

Nassim isn't really lacking in his approach. His latest paper on the Black Hole Proton is conceptually on the right track; but his insistence of replacing the nuclear gauge interactions with gravity is premature and fails to take into account just how the nuclear gauges relate to the electromagnetism-gravitation gauge coupling/unification.
Similarly his scale reduction of the universe from the cosmic- and supercluster scale to the Planck scale is again 'on the mark'; but neglects the possibility of the Planck-Scale itself being a 'family of say Planck-scales'. This then become the five superstring classes linked to the Platonic Solids and the 'sacred geometry'. There is reference to this in one of the papers linked above.

I can tell he is much more esoteric than he probably cares to show outwardly, and perhaps this is the reason I know he is in the right track. What do you think of him?

As said, I fully agree with his approach to unification via the holofractal universe. Unlike myself, he has however entered the 'public arena' and so he is required to show 'temperance' in the presentation of his theories, so as not to alienate the academic peergroups.

I always knew intuitevly since I was a child that everything was alive and has a center, so I understood his black whole/white whole notion with whole replacing "hole". Someone asked him if he believed in the "Hollow Earth" theory and he said yes but not as expansive as to be able to encompass an entire "world", because it was indeed hollow however its center was only a few centimeters in diameter.

Smart Alexis isn't he. He knows what I tried to share on this forum and something which was misunderstood by the many here.

The Black Hole equivalent of the Earth, the entire earth, is a golfball sized Interdimensional Black Hole.
Here is the calculation, using the Schwarzschild base metric of General Relativity:

Mass of the Earth=6x10^24 kg and the Schwarzschild Metric is Curvature-Radius=2GM/c^2 with G the Newton Gravity Constant and c the Speed of Light.

Curvature Radius of the Earth so is: 2(6x10^-11)(6x10^24)/9x10^16~8 millimeters.
String-parametrically, G is increased by about 60% and so the diameter of the golfball earth as a higherD Black Hole, containing ALL the Earth's mass and ALL of its physical 'consciousness' information so becomes about 2.6 centimeters, i.e the golfball size.

Now, I know the earth and all planets, Suns etc. are hollow and have worlds within and my idea is that they are there but at a higher frequency. What are your thoughts on this?

As said, and Nassim knows this too. The PHYSICAL earth is NOT hollow, but in the inter-higherD aspects it is, because the data can be compressed to the centimeter scale.
For the Sun the 'hollowness' would be a diameter about 10 kilometers wide.
So drilling holes into the interior, one might find human or alien constructed tunnels and caves, but one will not find entire civilisations of reptoids and Agarthians.
The reptoids and Agarthians are THERE, but not in 3D, but in 4D, the 4D being the technical extension of the 3-ball (Volume of a sphere in 4pi.R^3/3) becoming the Boundary of a 4-ball (Volume of a torus in 2pi^2.R^3) as the 4D-volume of a hypersphere (Volume pi^2.R^4/2).

So your ideas of the 'higher frequency' become the 'lesser densities' of the 4D compared to the 3D as the 'greater volume' of the 'higher dimensions'.

What will happen with this 3D core at the exact moment of convergence? Will it be turned inside out?

You've got it! Written like a Thuban physicist.
This Black Hole, which IS mathematically equivalent to a White Hole by definition; will wormhole tunnel itself.
This flipping inside-out will 'rupture' the spacetime fabric at the center of the earth and then 'reglue' itself.
This is the fulfilment prophecy, stating that the 'old earth and the old heaven' will roll up like a scroll to give way to a new earth and a new heaven and similar.
This process will OPEN the door to the 4th dimension and to the Volume of 3D will become added a 4D vector as the replacement of the old Minkowski Timecoordinate of the old 4-Vector of velocity, say made up as the lightspeed hypotenuse c^2 being a space-component XYZ and a Timecomponent T in c^2=(X^2+Y^2+Z^2)-(iT)^2.

If this happens will this act as a wornwhole and take all physicallity into the higher dimensions? Will this mean that there won't be a 3D Earth after this event? There is the idea that the 3D Gaia will always be there just that it won't be noticeable to the ascended ones but I thought that even from a 3rd Dimensional perspective all "beings" are always in constant evolution including planets. Wouldn't it be fair for this planet to finally be over with the 3rd Dimension forever? Wouldn't it be better to have a sister planet outside of herself mirrowing what Gaia is but in the 3rd D for those who need to stay behind?

Julissa I am rather impressed with your logic and deductiveness. You basically understand the process.
You must have been to Thuban a number of times in your superluminal travellings.
The 3D earth will still be there, but instead of being all that is for the 3D perceivers; the 4D earth will have 'opened' 4D and so allow access for all those Terrans, which are able to RESONATE with the 4D energy realms.
The Shadow Earth is Earth itself, the mirror being the divide between the 3D and the 4D. Nibiru=Serpentina, the New Earth encompassing the Old Earth. There will be no poleshift geographically and there will be no celestial planet coming to earth to 'check up' on the 'silly humans'.
The poleshift is the 'turning inside-out' of the Gaian-Data collected over almost 26,000 years and the incoming 'ancient ones' is the message from Hunab Ku travelling from the center of the galaxy to the earth's center to TRIGGER the wormhole physics.

There so shall be TWO humanoid races inhabiting Gaia-Serpentina in the Old Humans unable to access 4D and the StarHumans who can access 4D.
Because the StarHumans will be like Jesus post the resurrection (yes, denying this and the Christ-Melchizedek agenda in the scriptural fulfilment sense will automatically keep one in 3D) and able to LEAVE 3D, say in walking through walls (the physics of this advanced quantum wave mechanics and in no way supernatural btw), many of the 4D Starhumans will often appear to the 3D humans as having disappeared.
Spacecraft and similar will also materialise from 4D into 3D in the corrollary to this.
The 'new' stewardship for the 'new earth' will take quite some time to manifest, but the basic structure of reality perception will change basically overnight. I will not elaborate on this for the present time, except saying that the StarHumans will have a lot of fun interacting with the 3D Humans.


Wait a minute I just thought of something...will she be spliting up just like a cell does in cell "division" or should I say replication, when a baby is forming? In this sense she will be "growing" a higher aspect of herself? Is there something from the Thuban library that would explain what will explain about this? What will happen with the 3D Core of the Earth?

Again, you've found the correct interpretation and as elaborated upon in the above.

Thank you very much for your time and effort in sharing information. You are like a well that quenches the thirst of the wanderer. May God grant you all you desire and more.

'He' is rather 'happy' with the unfoldments of the data sharing from Thuban so far and 'He' has given me a present in presenting a DaughterSon of hisher able to grasp the 'Story of GodDoG' to such intricate extent.

Thank You Julissa and I have taken the liberty to post our discourse on the forum; hoping that the moderators will allow you to join the forum.


Julissa

AA

[berathebrain]

Hi berathebrain!

There are many, like Pascal's Triangle leading into polynomials and the binomial coefficients.
Much of this you can find on the internet.
Something you will not yet find on the internet is the 33-tiered Maria-Matrix. It is here on this forum in thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18834

A very basic one and related to the above thread are the Perfect Numbers
of the Greeks.


Schismatic and Sacred Science & Perfect Numbers

The Greek alchemy of course became 'modern chemistry' and Plato's five elements mapped as his 'perfect solids' and later as say 'quantum gauge interactions' in the post-Newtonian science redefining itself.

The Aristotelean physics of precise measurement of the physical parameters was retained and the Platonist-Pythagorean physics of 'divine perfection' became largely abandoned in this scientific reformation.

Something of a remnant could not be erased in this new scientific paradigm however - the 'science of divinity' or the science of 'creative providence'.
This residue today pervades all sections and strata of society and is a powerful component of all political, religious and cultural institutions.
So even if this 'science of divinity' or 'omniscience' is a purely psychological construct and without any physical measurement significance whatsoever; it still plays an important, sometimes even dominant role in the affairs of states and national agendas of whatever political persuasion and affiliation.

So can one find a common factor UNITING all those psychological constructs in a form acceptable to the 'Mensuration Science' and perhaps in a form more akin the 'science of divinity' of Newton and the Greek alchemists?
One can do so, if one can discover a 'common denominator' for the divinity sciences, invariably coloured in the codes of language and interpretations.

And here one can introduce certain 'emotion charged' labellings or words, such as ALLAH and GOD and AL QAEDA as factors of the omniscience.
Then in other words, using the psychology of the historical residue of divinity science, this also holds the key to unite the religions, say linked to political constructs and affairs of state. This could be followed perhaps, by a more global and political unity, born from a new understanding of its own linguistic codes.

And then it does not really matter if the 'gods and allahs' exist in a physical reality or only as psychological constructs, created or invented by sentient 'citizens'.
Because 'they' most assuredly exist as psychological creations; 'they' carry a significant 'emotional energy', which perhaps can be modelled in a form of 'consciousness' in physical parameters following an unification of the language codes underpinning 'their' reality as 'emotion-charged' and say mental energy constructions.

This will introduce a scenario, where no numbers exist at all; so the decoding following is necessarily post-facto and assuming the Set of Natural Numbers N, say given in a statement, such as: N={1,2,3,4....n; nÞn+1 PMI}; and where PMI is a label for a procedure termed Principle of Mathematical Induction.

'Perfect Numbers' or PN's are those numbers of the set N, which add all their factors to sum their eigenstate or self-identity.

Then the first PN is PN1=6=1+2+3=1.2.3=√(6²)=(1.2.3)^1.

The second PN is PN2=28=1+2+4+7+14=√(28²)=√(1.2.4.7.14)^½=√784.

PN3=496=1+2+4+8+16+31+62+124+248=(1.2.4.8.16.31.62 .124.248)^¼ and

PN4=8128=1+2+4+8+16+32+64+127+254+508+1016+2032+40 64=
(1.2.4.8.16.32.64.127.254.508.1016.2032.4064)^1/6.

In more detail:
6=1+2+3=½[3][4]
28=1+2+3+4+5+6+7=½[7][8]=1³+3³=1+2+4+7+14
496=1+2+3+...+30+31=½[31][32]=1³+3³+5³+7³
=1+2+4+8+16+31+62+124+248

8128=1+2+3+...+127+128=½[127][128]=1³+3³+5³+7³+9³+11³+13³+15³
=1+2+4+8+16+32+64+127+254+508+1016+2032+4064

We shall reencounter the mathematical form of.. Σ=½[n][n+1] later, but note here, that there exists this 'special number' x=2 as the solution for the quadratic x+x=2x=x²=4 or x²-2x=0.

This is the only number of the set N, whose 'doubling' is identical to its 'squaring'.

It also defines the 'Derivative' of the 'Perfect Square' x² as d(x²)=2x.dx.
We may also define a set PN={PN1; PN2; PN3; PN4;...PNn}={6; 28; 496; 8128;...PNn} and as a subset of N.

AA

In this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18834 you mention that all perfect numbers are the sums of the ODD NUMBERS CUBED. That is true only if a number is perfect, but the other way around is not necessarily true. For example, take first 16 odd numbers and cube them, you will get 130816, which is the next number after 8128. This number is equal to 511*512/2, where 511 is not a Mersenne prime, so this can not be a perfect number. It is true that this number can be expressed as the sum of first 511 numbers, but that doesnt make it a perfect number. Here is the definition of a Perfect number: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PerfectNumber.html.

Interesting formula thou.

I have been always fascinated by numbers, and so I did notice the fabulous connection of number 2. Namely, number 2 satisfies the equation x+x=x*x=x^x. I have also noticed that 2^4=4^2. So I have wondered If any other numbers satisfies the equation x^y=y^x. So I found a formula to find infinite many numbers that satisfies the above condition.
Here it is:
x=n*n^(1/(n-1))
y=n^(1/(n-1))
where n is some real number.
If you take n=2 you will get 2^4=4^2.
If you take n=3, you will get (3*(3^(1/2)))^(3^(1/2))=(3^(1/2))^(3*(3^(1/2)))
and so on.

Could you elaborate on this equation. And Notice that when n goes towards number 1, x and y is equal to e=2.7182818284590452353602874713527.

I always thought this equation could be used to factorize numbers through some fractal type algorithm :)

Dejan

[abraxasinas]

In this thread http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=18834 you mention that all perfect numbers are the sums of the ODD NUMBERS CUBED. That is true only if a number is perfect, but the other way around is not necessarily true.
Of course; A implies B does not necessarily imply B implies A.
All bachelors are Men is true, but does not mean that all Men are bachelors.

For example, take first 16 odd numbers and cube them, you will get 130816, which is the next number after 8128. This number is equal to 511*512/2, where 511 is not a Mersenne prime, so this can not be a perfect number. It is true that this number can be expressed as the sum of first 511 numbers, but that doesnt make it a perfect number. Here is the definition of a Perfect number: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/PerfectNumber.html.

You have just reiterated what I have stated in the post you mentioned. Please make sure you understand the presented data corrctly, before critisizing it.

Interesting formula thou.

I have been always fascinated by numbers, and so I did notice the fabulous connection of number 2. Namely, number 2 satisfies the equation x+x=x*x=x^x. I have also noticed that 2^4=4^2.

Yes but this follows by definition of 4=2^2; so 4^2=(2^2)^2=2^4 by definition of the exponential functions.

So I have wondered If any other numbers satisfies the equation x^y=y^x. So I found a formula to find infinite many numbers that satisfies the above condition.
Here it is:

x=n*n^(1/(n-1))
y=n^(1/(n-1))

Here n*n^(1/(n-1))=n^[1+1/(n-1)]=n^[n/(n-1)]

Then x/y=n^{n/(n-1) -1/(n-1)}=n^{1}=n and so x=ny

Taking natural logs lnx=ln(ny) for x=e^[n.lny] or y=e^[lnx/n]

This reduces to your initial statement x^y = y^x in taking natural logarithms and using the definition for x=ny

ylnx=xlny=y.ln(ny)=ny.lny or ln(ny)=n.lny

But ln(ny)=ln(n)+ln(y) by definition of exponential/logarithmic function and so
ln(n)+lny=n.lny for ln(n)=(n-1)lny=ln(y)^[n-1] and n=y^[n-1]

Now eliminate n=x/y for x/y=y^[(x-y)/y] and
x=y^[(x-y+y)/y]=y^[x/y]

Raise both sides by the power of y for: x^y = y^x

This equation so is INDEPENDENT of n in the definition n=x/y.


where n is some real number.
If you take n=2 you will get 2^4=4^2.
If you take n=3, you will get (3*(3^(1/2)))^(3^(1/2))=(3^(1/2))^(3*(3^(1/2)))
and so on.

Could you elaborate on this equation. And Notice that when n goes towards number 1, x and y is equal to e=2.7182818284590452353602874713527.

Of course, because n=x/y=1 implies x=y for y=e^[lnx]=x=y

So now you are using the form n/(n-1)=(n+1-1)/(n-1)=1+1/(n-1), which normalises to the mathematical definition of the exponential function
f(n)=(1+1/n)^n in the limit ofr asymptotic approach of n.
This also engaes the function f(x)=e^x being its own derivative f'(x)=f(x).

Below are some details Dejan. You do make a competent mathematician.

I always thought this equation could be used to factorize numbers through some fractal type algorithm :)

Dejan

Consider the following function:



f(n)=(1+1/n)n.

Evaluate for increasing counts n:


f(1)=(1+1/1)^1=2

f(2)=(1+1/2)^2=9/4=2.25

f(3)=(1+1/3)^3=64/27=2.370370...
...
...
f(10)=(1.1)^10=2.59374246........
...
...
f(100)=(1.01)^100=2.704813829...
...
...
f(Infinity)=℮=2.718281828.... This function is limited by a number 'e' for increasing n.


Definition: ℮=lim{1+1/n}n for n->Infinity


But this function approches infinity as n approaches -1 from -1- (from -2 say).
This function is limited by 1 as n approaches 0 from 0+ from above (>1) is UNDEFINED for n=0 and is limited by 1 from below (<1) as n approaches 0 from 0-.
The function is again UNDEFINED for n=-1 and behaves 'complexified irrationally' in the interval from n=-1 to n=0. Say the function assumes the complex value 1/i=i/ii=-i for n=-1/2.
As n decreases from -1 to negative infinity, it decreases from Infinity at n=-1 to e as n approaches large negative values.


f(1/100)=(101)^1/100=1.04723.
f(1/2)=(1+2)^1/2=√3
f(-100)=(1-1/100)^-100=2.732.
f(-10)=(1-1/10)^-10=2.867972.
f(-3)=(1-1/3)^-3=27/8=3.375
f(-2)=(1-1/2)^-2=4
f(-1)=(1-1)^-1=1/0
f(-1/2)=(1-2)^-1/2=1/√-1=1/i=-i

f(0)=(1+1/0)^0=(1+Infinity)^0=Undefined

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9f/Ln%2Be.svg/200px-Ln%2Be.svg.png (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Ln%2Be.svg)

These basic considerations in regard to this (transcendental) number e lead to an infinite series expansion for this number and where factorial function n!=n(n+1)..2.1, relates to a recurrence relation, known as Gamma Function: Gamma(x+1)=x.Gamma(x)=n! as a special case. The Gamma Function is similarly undefined for n=0 and n=-1.

{The Gamma Function is defined in a Euler Integral below and has the value 1 for n=0. The integral evaluates then as a limit for -1/e^x for the interval from Infinity to 0, which is (0+1)=1.

But now we have Gamma(x+1)=0!=x.Gamma(x) and by the recurrence of the integral as shown below, for n=1, we also have Gamma(x+1)=1!=1=x.Gamma(x).
Without evaluating the integral, we find the integrals as relating to each other in the Factorial Function.

I1=1.I0 this is 1.0!=1!
I2=2.I1=2.1.I0 this is 2.1!=2!
I3=3.I2=3.2.1.I0 this is 3.2!=3!
I4=4.I3=4.3.2.1.I0 this is 4.3!=4!
..
In=n.In-1=n! generalising as n.(n-1)!=n!

For the Integration by parts simply use d(uv)/dx =(udv/dx+vdu/dx).
Let u=x^n and v=-e^-x. Then du/dx=n.x^n-1 and dv/dx=e^-x.
Then since Integral (d(uv)/dx)dx=uv; the procedure below follows in writing: uv=Integral{d(uv)/dx}dx=Integral{udv/dx}dx + Integral{vdu/dx}dx.

The integral equation is then: Integral{-udv}=In=uv-Integral{vdu}=uv-Integral{-e^-x.n.x^n-1}dx.



This is an interesting application of integration by parts. Let's have a look at the integral
In = http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img58.gifxne-x dx

where n is some non-negative whole number.

This seems to be a candidate for integration by parts. Differentiate the xn and integrate the e-x. This will give us
In = http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img306.gif - xne-xhttp://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img307.gif + nhttp://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img58.gifxn - 1e-x dx




It is an important property of the exponential function that, whatever the value of n, xne-xhttp://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img56.gif 0 as xhttp://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img56.gifhttp://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img57.gif (ex grows far faster than any power of x). So, if n > 0 the first term on the RHS vanishes at both ends. The other term on the RHS involves an integral which is just the same as our original one with n replaced by n - 1. So we have

In = n.In - 1 for nhttp://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img127.gif1

You grumble that this has not evaluated the integral--it has just turned it into another similar integral. True, but that does actually make it easy to evaluate the original integral. The point is that the above formula is valid for any positive integer n. So, climbing up the ladder, we have

I1= 1.I0I2= 2.I1 = 2.1.I0I3= 3.I2 = 3.2.1.I0I4= 4.I3 = 4.3.2.1.I0



--and so on. You will probably believe me if I say that the overall result is that In = n!.I0.

This has reduced everything to the single problem of evaluating
I0 = http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img58.gifx0e-x dx = 1

(as you should check).

So we have obtained the rather nice result that
http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img58.gifxne-x dx = n!


Now for a generalisation. We had a positive integer n in the integrand as a power. There was actually nothing in our integration procedure (the integration by parts) that relied on the fact that n was a whole number. We could just as well look at the integral
f (a) = http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img58.gifxae-x dx

where a is any positive value. Doing integration by parts on this will give

f (a) = a.f (a - 1) if a > 1

as before. If a is a whole number then f (a) = a!, but f (a) makes perfectly good sense for any positive value a. So we have produced a kind of generalisation of the factorial function. We can now talk about the factorial of http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img205.gif or http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img88.gif. This may sound a rather silly thing to do, but it does actually have wide application.

Traditionally, we do not work with the function f (a) but with the function http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img308.gif(a) = f (a - 1). This is known as the Gamma Function,
http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img309.gif(a) = http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img58.gifxa - 1e-x dx, http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img309.gif(a + 1) = a.http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img309.gif(a)

for a > 0. Of course, we have http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img308.gif(1) = http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img308.gif(2) = 1.
To satisfy idle curiosity I can tell you that http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img308.gif(http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img205.gif) = http://www.maths.abdn.ac.uk/~igc/tch/ma1002/int/img310.gif }



http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/a/1/0/a10a05335ccb3b560a678ed2dd287fdb.png


An important consequence then follows for a similar expansion for the exponential function.



http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/2/a/42aed3219224e4303a3333a3ed3afe88.png

AA

[UncleJohn]

Hi Abrax,

I sure like those posts of yours with the Mathematics in them.

Do you have any idea how long you expect to be answering questions on your thread?

What are you going to do if ten thousand people want to ask you questions?

In the Grocho Marx TV program there was a duck that would fall down when the people on the program would say the magic word. I think they got a hundred dollars for saying the magic word. Is there some question that you have really been waiting for someone to ask?

Do you think that the ET's feel much love for humans.

Why don't the ET's give us the free energy solution?

Can the ET's really time travel and know what going to happen in the future?

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abrax,

I sure like those posts of yours with the Mathematics in them.

Do you have any idea how long you expect to be answering questions on your thread?

No, its a day at a time, Uncle John.

What are you going to do if ten thousand people want to ask you questions?

Go home to Thuban. It's good to have detractors who throw spanners into the works.


In the Grocho Marx TV program there was a duck that would fall down when the people on the program would say the magic word. I think they got a hundred dollars for saying the magic word. Is there some question that you have really been waiting for someone to ask?

No, some of the questions asked surprise me in regards to their depth and inner nous - like Julissa the Peruvian and hillibillbobbi and your's to a point.

Do you think that the ET's feel much love for humans.

The ETs are basically humans interD and higherD. They want to change into something else as much as some humans do.

Why don't the ET's give us the free energy solution?

Because there is a lot of hype over nonexistent free energy devices. The principles are understood, but the lightspeed limit is very much in the way to implement the principles large scale.
The key the 4D opening up. If it doesn't it's business as usual.

Can the ET's really time travel and know what going to happen in the future?

Timetravel yes, its no big deal and the imagination helps to IMAGE things - hint.
Predicting the future no.
Thuban only knows the timeline mapped from 6BC to 32AD and a special warploop in that.
The trigger points are known, but not what will happen in between.
So if someone asks me (in testing the validity of those 12D Thubans) as to what their birthday is or what they did on July 24th, 2006 at 6 o'clock at night; then I dont know and would reply: I can't remember what I did at that time, so how can I remember what you did.
It's like the Devil asking Jesus to jump of the cliff to see the angels rescuing him and you can check yourself what Jesus replied to the Devil - about tempting the Oneness of God and so forth.
Having said this; one can attempt to 'tune in' and say. Ok, I see you sitting in the carpark after the light night shopping and you are getting ready to drive home to cook dinner.

But asking the 'Big questions' is different. What happened 1 second before the Big Bang?
Stuff like that is Unification Physics and not personal vanity - you know that and might remember how I replied to you about your Canis Major familiarity - and now you know I was close with that in discovering your Khaibit of Anubis.
This is timetravelling of sorts.
But now I am cooking something and watch some Human Comedy. There is a lot of that around - Are You Being Served? - from the BBC.

You are doing well Uncle John. Soon you will timetravel to Thuban.

AA

[UncleJohn]

Hi Abrax,

It seems obvious to me that some rather nasty ET's are in charge of our government and always have been.

This has been kept a secret from the general population.

Why isn't there some kind species of ET's that would inform humanity that they are not in charge?

Are all ET's aware of how humanity is controlled?

We are never going to eliminate needless human suffering unless we can get rid of nasty ET's running this planet. How can get rid of these nasty ET controllers with the vast majority of humans not knowing they are here?

Do some ET's really feed off negative human emotions such as fear and pain?

[bigmo]

Abraxas,

Was the recognition of the ' Christ Consciousness' as the transformation by humans from the 3D into the 4D the real 'truth' or foundation of Christianity?

Would this explain why anyone 'denying' or 'unless ye be born again' of the existence of the 4D would be prevented from entering into this dimension or 'heaven'?

Is it because our thoughts and beliefs are the creation within a structure of archetypes so that if we create a denial, we have created that 'experience'?

Or is it something more esoteric within the laws of 12D physics beyond our reach but true non the less?

Peace

[Initiate]

Hi Abraxas,

I was in a lucid state while meditating last night and had a vision of riding a White Unicorn. Very strong powerful. I was guiding it through the forest towards the light at the edge of the forest. I've never had this "dream" before.

I found this today while trying to understand th vision.



http://www.nwbotanicals.org/oak/magick/tma/tma_chapt3.htm

The Wise truly say
That two wild beasts lurk in the forest:
One is beautiful, well-formed and spirited,
A great strong antlered stag;
The other is a radiant white unicorn.

Both lie hidden in the forest;
We call the man insightful,
Who can spy and catch them.

Here and everywhere the Masters concisely reveal
That two beasts move through the forest.
(Yet the forest must be understood to be one thing.)

First, to reach the root of all things,
Matter will be called the forest,
So shall we know and understand things rightly.

The Unicorn stands for Spirit
The Stag answers to no other name
Than Soul and none can deny it.

Now it is true that he, who by Art,
Knows how to tame them,
Leading them out of the forest,
Yet driving them close together,
Would be called a Master.

Such a man has found the Golden Fleece.
So now he may triumph,
and might govern over great Augustus.


Now it is important that you know
A Stag and Unicorn in the forest go.

Soul and Spirit exist in Matter



It sounding like it fits in with what you have been saying. So thought I would share.

Regards,

Initiate

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abrax,

It seems obvious to me that some rather nasty ET's are in charge of our government and always have been.

And it seems obvious to me that there are some rather 'nasty' humans in charge of our governements.
Give a man or woman 'power' over others and corruption ensues.

This has been kept a secret from the general population.

The ETs are 4D and interact with humans in 3D. Some are within the humans as 4D entities and sometimes the 4D can projected into 3D and the ETs then appear as separate entities.

Why isn't there some kind species of ET's that would inform humanity that they are not in charge?

You are saying so right now. Do you expect 'open disclosure' of things - by populus media - it will not happen. Civil uproar would occur; politics would basically lose ALL credibility - too much at risk - for the system.


Are all ET's aware of how humanity is controlled?

Humanity is the focus point of the entire universal evolvement, not just galacti, not just supergalactic, but universal.

We are never going to eliminate needless human suffering unless we can get rid of nasty ET's running this planet. How can get rid of these nasty ET controllers with the vast majority of humans not knowing they are here?

Eliminate the ignorance of the human mind regarding itself and the 4D ET intelligence will find itself disabled to interfere with the human selfperception.

The ET intelligence is the sentience of the fake-deities constructed by humans in their history of projecting their own power onto false idols.
Therefore, the empowerment of ALL 'bad ETs' is nothing but the human authority over itself thrown away and given to their idols, created in the image of the human.

Just as the fake-God only exists because human minds allow it to exist; so is the ETs 'evilness' but a projection of the human evilness.

(26) Jesus says:
"You see the splinter that is in your brother’s eye, but you do not see the beam that is in your (own) eye.
When you remove the beam from your (own) eye, then you will see clearly (enough) to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye."

The ETs are your bothers and sisters; just as the images in your mirrors seem unreal to you from a physical perspective, yet are real in say an electromagnetic light-darkness perspective; so are the ETs real and unreal relative to you. But THEY are YOUI, either in a timetravel sense or some other sense.

Do some ET's really feed off negative human emotions such as fear and pain?

Do some people experience pleasure in the sufferings, physical, emotional or mental of others?

(03) Jesus says:
"If those who lead you say to you: ‘Look, the kingdom is in the sky!’
then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you: ‘It is in the sea,’ then the fishes will precede you.
Rather, the kingdom is inside of you, and outside of you."
"When you come to know yourselves, then you will be known,
and you will realize that you are the children of the living Father.
But if you do not come to know yourselves, then you exist in poverty, and you are poverty."

AA

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas,

Was the recognition of the ' Christ Consciousness' as the transformation by humans from the 3D into the 4D the real 'truth' or foundation of Christianity?

Yes bigmo, I'd agree with that. The 'great experience' was the witness of the 'apostles' of the 'transfigured' Christbody, i.e. the change from 3D into 4D.
The witnesses then knew that it was 'truth'- after not before the 'resurrection'.
From this the 'inner circle' of the 'gnositic secrets' developed; but after Jesus was 'gone', as always, the 'one circle' became many and divergence ensued.
Paul so became 'reinitiated', but became misunderstood not only by the Jerusalem church, led by Peter and James, halfbrother of Jesus; but also by his Greek-Roman 'converts' due to his emphasis on the 'gnostic' Jesus of the 'secrets'.

Would this explain why anyone 'denying' or 'unless ye be born again' of the existence of the 4D would be prevented from entering into this dimension or 'heaven'?

It's the core of the human entity; which must become 'energized'.
This means no less than the human entity transforming into an energy source from its status of energy receiver.
Like a planet cannot shine for lack of internal energy source (fusion reactor of stars); so cannot the old human USE the ZPE of the Source/Logos.

Being able to generate and 'tap' the ZPE, which is everywhere in spacetime as the Heisenberg Lightmatrix say; will enable the New Human to 'shine like a star'. This is why it is labeled StarHumanity.

Is it because our thoughts and beliefs are the creation within a structure of archetypes so that if we create a denial, we have created that 'experience'?

Oh yes. It is all archetypes. Before there was the material universe; there was the metaphysical universe of archetypes. These are the ideal forms of Plato and of Penrose and some other Neoplatonists as the 'modern gnostics'.

Every thought you think is empowered by the metaphysical symbolism. Thoughts PRECEDE ALL material manifestation. Then emotional charging of the thoughts lead, over time, to the physical manifestation.

That is why the UFO-ET question appears to be so fluid.
Sometimes they manifest, or shapeshift and sometimes the fleet away in transparency etc. etc.
The ETs are as real as the 3D humans. It is the 3D reality which is a seedling CORE reality; say like the Acorn is for the Oak-Tree.

The Acorn is sprouting into Humanity is growing into ETness.

But the ETs are NOT independent from the humans perceiving them. Its the quantum mechanics of the measurement and the Schroedinger Paradox again.


Or is it something more esoteric within the laws of 12D physics beyond our reach but true non the less?

No, the 12D actually IS the 3D, but interwoven in the intensities (densities).

Peace

AA

[hippihillbobbi]

Abraxas --

SO Many Questions ..... SO Little Time! i guess it's cause every new answer begets another question :lol3: thanks for continuing to be our wailing wall, AA .... you're a trooper!!

Ok here goes ..... think i'll start with the hardest (for me) first.

1) Re: the human concept of God, Creative Source, All-That-Is, etc. and our relationship with/to Him-Her/It -- it seems to me that since Jesus apparently related to the Source as Abba which supposedly translates as Da-Da, isn't the intimately personal relationship that this implies the most perfect template for a human relationship with its source? is this not mirrored in the Christian mystical traditions (and I imagine in many others) of the mystical marriage, e.g., Jesus-as-Bridgroom, as our Mother, etc.

2) Was the real Eve archetype (as redeemed by Lillith) "fulfilled" in Mary, Jesus' mother? just as the real Adam archetype (as redeemed by the new Eve) was fulfilled in Jesus? And if so, is it correct to assume that the "entity formerly known as Mary" may be called our Dragon Mother .... just as the entity known as Jesus is our Dragon Master (i realize that that Yeshuah was the perfected He-She and so also can be seen as our Master/Mother .... so then does it follow that Mary is our Mother/Master??)

3) Are you familiar with Julian of Norwich, one of my favorite mystics? "And All Will Be Well .... And All Manner of Things Shall Be Well."

4) What is the scriptural source from which you quote when you cite things Jesus says that are not specifically included in the "orthodox" canon?

thanks once again, AA, for all your time and patience with us! :wub2:

hippihill

[Malletzky]

Hi Abrax, the following excerpt from your answer to Julissa:

Julissa I am rather impressed with your logic and deductiveness. You basically understand the process.
You must have been to Thuban a number of times in your superluminal travellings.
The 3D earth will still be there, but instead of being all that is for the 3D perceivers; the 4D earth will have 'opened' 4D and so allow access for all those Terrans, which are able to RESONATE with the 4D energy realms.
The Shadow Earth is Earth itself, the mirror being the divide between the 3D and the 4D. Nibiru=Serpentina, the New Earth encompassing the Old Earth. There will be no poleshift geographically and there will be no celestial planet coming to earth to 'check up' on the 'silly humans'.
The poleshift is the 'turning inside-out' of the Gaian-Data collected over almost 26,000 years and the incoming 'ancient ones' is the message from Hunab Ku travelling from the center of the galaxy to the earth's center to TRIGGER the wormhole physics.

There so shall be TWO humanoid races inhabiting Gaia-Serpentina in the Old Humans unable to access 4D and the StarHumans who can access 4D.
Because the StarHumans will be like Jesus post the resurrection (yes, denying this and the Christ-Melchizedek agenda in the scriptural fulfilment sense will automatically keep one in 3D) and able to LEAVE 3D, say in walking through walls (the physics of this advanced quantum wave mechanics and in no way supernatural btw), many of the 4D Starhumans will often appear to the 3D humans as having disappeared.
Spacecraft and similar will also materialise from 4D into 3D in the corrollary to this.
The 'new' stewardship for the 'new earth' will take quite some time to manifest, but the basic structure of reality perception will change basically overnight. I will not elaborate on this for the present time, except saying that the StarHumans will have a lot of fun interacting with the 3D Humans.




and this article from Aluna Joy, titled "The Only Things We Take With Us"...

http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/2009mar.html

where she describes a possible and different environment after we, as humanity (for those who'll be able) will access the new 4D...


...just triggered a new question, which I would like to ask here:

What happens with our memories, beliefs, thoughts, all archetypes...will the one who will access the 4D remember of this present earthly "life" ?

The reason I ask is that I've also read the Drunvalo's description of the process of the "changing environment" and the "life" in the new 4D, which is very similar to that of Aluna Joy.

thanks in advance, with much :wub2: and respect
malletzky

[migp]

Hi Abraxas,

I wanted to ask you about the information you wanted to communicate to us starting on January 18. I guess that I am one of the persons with less knowledge in this forum. sometimes when reading this thread I feel like I am in a dream within a dream.


Sometimes I feel like a bad entity or being or energy is acting against me. Examples of this can be a wrong phone call very late at night that disturbs my sleep, or my car breaks just when I am starting a new project and I need the car the most, or even when I am trying to meditate (I am learning this) and an unexpected strong wind interrupts my meditation. How can I poroctect myself from this?.

Thanks,

Miguel

[Céline]

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May all who read this thread know they are loved..for exactly who...they are.

[eleni]

Abrax- what do you make of the UFO's orbiting the sun? Do you have any information pertaining to that?

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19463

[realitycorrodes]

abraxasinas (http://projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=10275)

Thank you for your kind reply. I respect your effort , energy and attention.

Please accept my humility for I do not think I am worthy to talk to you.

Your reply to my questions was very generous. I was disappointed by the reply not because there was anything wrong with the answers you gave.

Personally I set myself up for an expectation of revealing new hitherto untold information.

Your information was not new to me.

In fact, in some areas I probably remain open to other possibilities, especially in regard to living without food. Mainly because I have met people who can do this!

In regard to techniques there are secrets about physical techniques that can access states of bliss. I am aware of some, but know people who claim to have others.

I was hoping you were going to reveal step by step some of these actual techniques that are still being kept secret by a hierarchy of gurus etc etc on whatever levels.


Sitting meditating all day for years on end has proven itself to be a rather inefficient technique. Not many graduate with this technique - I know it works but very inefficiently - in terms of the number actually acheiving any results! Is'nt it about time some serious techniques were given out that work instantly.

Wishing you energy to do what makes you happy!

[wilsonericq7]

I have been struggling with the concept of thought (stay with me...)

Questions arise as to the location of thought, which leads to questions of intent and purpose.

Mainstream thought (outside of my own head) holds co-creation as the goal...however the paradox of creating anything in a self-less manner seems tainted with ego.

Is thought imaginary at all? If not, what are we to make of dreams?

If they are not imaginary, yet also not from our ego driven motives...what is the point?

Are we experiencing every thought...at the same time...seperately?


I have come to this: Attention on Intention...and find myself lost

I have read/heard/been told to:


1. Think with the Heart

2. Feel with the Mind


....and have come here for help....as at this time I am stuck with logic and reason.



Is there any hope for someone like me? I'm not sure (eog-mind) if my DNA is ready for ascension, but my heart yearns for it.


How can this be a true desire with out the ego?

Namaste

[ellie]

Okay, I am sorry but I cannot wade through 37 pages of a thread, so excuse me if this question has been posted before.

With all the esoteric information you obviously have at your disposal can you explain to me where it is stated ................."144,000 souls will be saved."

Would this mean if 144,000 souls can be found on Gaia to be ready for ascension then that might mean Gaia's people will be saved from nuclear wars and taken out by Nibiru or does it mean that only the 144,000 souls will be saved.

If it is the latter to be the most right (only 144,000 souls will be saved) I find it wanting to say the least because with the billions of people on Gaia right now I know for a fact there are more than 144,000 good souls here who are more than enlightened IMHO.

Is this a question you can answer or not? I have read some prediction threads here and I really wouldn't like nuclear wars and starvation to befall the people, children and little babies of Gaia.

Thank you.

[TRANCOSO]

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May all who read this thread know they are loved..for exactly who...they are.
By whom, Celine?
By others or by themselves?

[carriblu]

Okay, I am sorry but I cannot wade through 37 pages of a thread, so excuse me if this question has been posted before.

With all the esoteric information you obviously have at your disposal can you explain to me where it is stated ................."144,000 souls will be saved."

Would this mean if 144,000 souls can be found on Gaia to be ready for ascension then that might mean Gaia's people will be saved from nuclear wars and taken out by Nibiru or does it mean that only the 144,000 souls will be saved.

If it is the latter to be the most right (only 144,000 souls will be saved) I find it wanting to say the least because with the billions of people on Gaia right now I know for a fact there are more than 144,000 good souls here who are more than enlightened IMHO.

Is this a question you can answer or not? I have read some prediction threads here and I really wouldn't like nuclear wars and starvation to befall the people, children and little babies of Gaia.

Thank you.

seconded. i know a lot of people believe that those who are worthy (have a higher vibe) are the ones ascending.

under this view, is ascension some sort of a reward?

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abraxas,

I was in a lucid state while meditating last night and had a vision of riding a White Unicorn. Very strong powerful. I was guiding it through the forest towards the light at the edge of the forest. I've never had this "dream" before.

I found this today while trying to understand the vision.



It sounding like it fits in with what you have been saying. So thought I would share.

Regards,

Initiate

Thanks for sharing Initiate.
As I've said, the Unicorn is the 'protector' of Virgo, the Goddess of the Harvest (Demeter parthenogenetic with Persephone, Goddess of the Fertility and the Underworld/Hades).

So the archetype of Virgo as a 'Maiden' engages the transformation of the Mother-Dragon (Demeter) into the Daughter-Dragoness WITHOUT fertilization by the maleness, this 'missing maleness' becoming the Unicorn.

But as Persephone, the Dragon-Rider can enter and 'rule' the underworld of Hades as Pluto's Concubine.

Then your dream signifies your 'initiation' of being able to now 'ride the dragons'.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas --

SO Many Questions ..... SO Little Time! i guess it's cause every new answer begets another question :lol3: thanks for continuing to be our wailing wall, AA .... you're a trooper!!

Ok here goes ..... think i'll start with the hardest (for me) first.

1) Re: the human concept of God, Creative Source, All-That-Is, etc. and our relationship with/to Him-Her/It -- it seems to me that since Jesus apparently related to the Source as Abba which supposedly translates as Da-Da, isn't the intimately personal relationship that this implies the most perfect template for a human relationship with its source? is this not mirrored in the Christian mystical traditions (and I imagine in many others) of the mystical marriage, e.g., Jesus-as-Bridgroom, as our Mother, etc.

Hi hillibill!

Yes, the ABBA is the same as PAPA or DAD and such cosy 'babytalk' in addressing the fatherhoods.
And this kind of understanding is all that is 'required' of the human relationship wirth respect to the 'God/Source/Creator' label.
Whatever 'terrible and crazy' notions of what 'God' is, has been promoted by the PTB; the simple answer is that Jesus 'got rid' of the OT archetype with 'His Father' called ABBA. The babies grow up (sometimes) in their mental maturities and so the DADA becomes DAD and so forth but never changing the intrinsic ABBA meaning.
The Swedish popgroup's popularity is not unrelated to tuning into a very simple, yet powerful archetype describing the NATURE of the Real God {Dancing Queen, Fernando, Mama Mia, Waterloo, etc.) - as the Father of Yeshuah.



2) Was the real Eve archetype (as redeemed by Lillith) "fulfilled" in Mary, Jesus' mother?
Yes, because Eve, being the 'rib' of Adam could not give birth to Adam.
Mary gave birth to Jesus, the New Adam, because Mary 'dared' to consider the 'Father of All' to be 'interested' in allowing Her to give birth to this New Adam and after 'Making Love to Mary' -in her juvenile imaginations and selfplay.

just as the real Adam archetype (as redeemed by the new Eve) was fulfilled in Jesus?
Indeed.
And if so, is it correct to assume that the "entity formerly known as Mary" may be called our Dragon Mother ....
Wow, YOU HAVE HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.

just as the entity known as Jesus is our Dragon Master (i realize that that Yeshuah was the perfected He-She and so also can be seen as our Master/Mother .... so then does it follow that Mary is our Mother/Master??)
Perfect gnosis or insight on your behalf. This is why I term Jesus/Yeshuah the Master-Templar of Thuban.
The StarHumanity means just this HeShe=New Man and SheHe=New Woman, the 'mastery' is a self-mastery not a 'lordship' over anyone or anything else.


3) Are you familiar with Julian of Norwich, one of my favorite mystics? "And All Will Be Well .... And All Manner of Things Shall Be Well."

Well there is a 'coincidence-synchronicity' between the 'visions' of Julian of Norwich and myself.
Her 'visions of Jesus' are said to have ended on May 13th, 1373 following her illness and my second physical encounter with an interdimensional being occurred on May 13th, 1985.

Anyway even the Benedictine monks are said to (sometimes) 'pray' not to 'Our Lord Jesus' but to 'Our Holy Mother Jesus' and so you might see how the old monastic orders sort of 'understood' the deepr 'gnosis'.
This deeper gnosis is shared by your favourite English mystic and myself as spokesperson of the Council of Thuban.

You have chosden your favourite mystic very well indeed in the Thuban relativity of things.


4) What is the scriptural source from which you quote when you cite things Jesus says that are not specifically included in the "orthodox" canon?

Yes, the 'master's handbook' is called the 'Gospel of Thomas' from the Nag Hammadi Codex and gnostic library, discovered from 1945 in Egypt.

thanks once again, AA, for all your time and patience with us! :wub2:

hippihill

You are welcome hillibill.
Can you fathom, that you have a soul-connection to the English hermit of Norwich church of Julian?

Abraxas

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abrax, the following excerpt from your answer to Julissa:




and this article from Aluna Joy, titled "The Only Things We Take With Us"...

http://www.kachina.net/~alunajoy/2009mar.html

where she describes a possible and different environment after we, as humanity (for those who'll be able) will access the new 4D...


...just triggered a new question, which I would like to ask here:

What happens with our memories, beliefs, thoughts, all archetypes...will the one who will access the 4D remember of this present earthly "life" ?

1 Corinthians 15:52 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=1 Corinthians+15:52&version=KJV)
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

It's as simple as that malletzy; the 'ones found worthy in self-judgement' will leave their caterpillar cocoons as Butterflies into 4D.
The cocoons are 3D and so the ones who rather continue as caterpillars will remain as caterpillars in 3D.

There will be NO changes to the memory complex coupled to the 'souls' in any other form or manner. There will simply be two kinds of humans on the new earth; 3D old ones and 4D new ones.

The reason I ask is that I've also read the Drunvalo's description of the process of the "changing environment" and the "life" in the new 4D, which is very similar to that of Aluna Joy.

Yes the Aluna Joy dreams are factual. The truth you carry IS the constant both in 3D and in 4D and it is the RESONANCE with the Love-Vibration (not the lovey dovey New Age version in general, but a rational energy felt with the mind) - spanning all dimensions.
What Aluna failed to realise however that the 4D MEMORY will COMPLEMENT the Old 3D MEMORY, not replace it. The 4D New Memory will sort of be like a totally New Memory, based on the 'truth-constant'.
And the 3D MEMORY will NOT disappear, but become a CORE Memory for the 3D expression of the 4D reality.

Can you see it now? The Starhumans will be able to 'walk and live' in TWO worlds, whilst the Humans will remain nrestricted in the 3D until thyey themselves DECIDE to 'take the steps' into the mirrors of the selfhood.

It's what you do every night, when falling asleep - you enter 4D dreamworld from 3D waking world.
After the change, the old dreamworld will be like a new 4D reality and you will be AWAKE when entering it.



thanks in advance, with much :wub2: and respect
malletzky

No problem my dear friend!

Abraxas

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abraxas,

I wanted to ask you about the information you wanted to communicate to us starting on January 18. I guess that I am one of the persons with less knowledge in this forum. sometimes when reading this thread I feel like I am in a dream within a dream.


Sometimes I feel like a bad entity or being or energy is acting against me. Examples of this can be a wrong phone call very late at night that disturbs my sleep, or my car breaks just when I am starting a new project and I need the car the most, or even when I am trying to meditate (I am learning this) and an unexpected strong wind interrupts my meditation. How can I poroctect myself from this?.

Thanks,

Miguel

Hi Miguel!

An excellent point you have brought up here.

Your experiences are your own soul testing you. So when you feel or hear the 'strong interrupting wind' you are to 'change your approach'.
Instead of being annoyed your soul (and innermost whispering voice say) is asking you to OWN the 'energy of the tempest' and 'your feeling of annoyance'.

Should You say something like: "I recognize you windy breeze; you are my friend and I thank you for having come to wake me up from my slumbers",
then you will find that things will 'run more smoothly' in your daily endeavours.

As you know from January 18th, the solar sunspots starting to erupt and began to change the terrestrial weatherpatterns in preparation for the solar activities for the next 3 years.

A 'new wind of preparation' is blowing onto earth and you like all inhabitants on Gaia are asked to assume your function to cocreate Gaia's new planetary status.
The planetary transformation engages a collective consciousness and this consciousness is shared by all sentient lifeforms individually and in groups upon the planet and interacting with it.

AA

[Firstlook]

Hello Abraxas,

I hope things are well on your side of Earth.:original:

I wonder if you could talk about any experience or knowledge you might have about the concept of blending our dream world 4D with our awake 3D experience by means of sleep deprivation. I know this is not a healthy endurance for our physical, but its always intrigued me as to why I cannot go longer periods without sleep (mentally speaking).

Thanks


peace:original:

joey

[abraxasinas]

Abrax- what do you make of the UFO's orbiting the sun? Do you have any information pertaining to that?

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19463

Aye Eleni!

There are a number of things, people should know.

1. The Sun in 3D harbours specific physical characteristics.
a) The Core Temperature is about 16 million Kelvin
b) The Surface Temperature is about 5800 Kelvin
c) The Corona Temperature increases from the (cool) surface to 2-5 million Kelvin

The physicist's explanation for the 'unexpectated' hot corona are magnetic vortices and 'fieldlines' inducting the energy via corona mass ejections and the sunspot cycles (two 11 year halfcycles). This is often termed 'Magnetic Reconnection', possibly linked to Alfven Waves.

2. The Sun in 4D (and higher) harbourts a Solar Black Hole 10 kilometers across at its core.
a) This Solar Black Hole communicates with the planetary Black Holes of the solar system including the golfball size Black Hole art the earth's center
b) The 4D solar energy interacts with the 3D solar energy via geometrical archetypes

The Thuban omni-science has discovered the reason for the sunspot cycles.

From the Thuban archives:

A local universe about a star forms a Black Hole-White Hole dyad of ellipsoidal focalisation of the Eps-Ess duality for 2 Chandrasekhar (White Dwarf Limit) masses of 6x10^30 kg=3 time Mass of the Sun. This ratio of 1.5 is important for the inner-outer penetration of the solar syrface to 2/3 depth and 3/2 coronal halo of the radius.
(The dyadic supermembrane as a soursesink modulates frequency as inverse time being a time constant).

The Solar Frequency Fsol=c/Wavelengthsol of the Star in three 120 degree sectors.
The isoceles triangle for this trisection so defines a Solar Chord of
Sqrt(3).Rsol adjacent to the two radii Rsol, as sin60deg=Halfchord/Rsol.

Then Fsol=lightspeed/(Sqrt(3)/2)=600 million seconds/1.732..~346,410,162 seconds or 4009.4 days or 10.98 civil years.
A halfchord so defines a 11 year sunspot cycle doubling to 22 years for the full chord with the size of the star a simple proportion of the Black Hole's Photonic Ergosphere (1.5 times from the event horizon), and where photons are 'forced by gravity' to travel in orbits around the sun.

So the 4D Sun ENCOMPASSES the 3D Sun and inducts the energy from the core to its coronal perimeter via the mass-magnetocurrent equivalence APPEARING in 3D as coronal ejections, the magnetic reconnections and the Alfven waves.

The sunspot cycles are like a 'heartbeat' or breathing of the solar entity, harbouring intersolar lifeforms as 4D sentiences also utilizing the sunspot magnetic current vortices as conduits from the solar core to the coronal perimeter.

The 'materializing' geometric shapes (one the Eagle of Thuban) derive from the 4D energy manifesting 3D shadows, independent on the temperature environment.
(Like a shadow cast onto a wall from a hot object is not itself as hot as the object casting the shadow).

A basic geometry is that of a corner in your room, joined by three perpendicular vectors, each of say unit length.
Now form a 3D tetrahedron in joining the three vectors to form an equilateral trianle.
The resulting Corner of your room is now 'sealed' by a socalled 'Right-Angled Tetrahedron'.
Note, this is NOT a 'Regular Tetrahedron' as one of the five Platonic Solids and where all four triangular faces are equilateral.

Summararily then, the UFOS around the Sun are from the Sun's Interior, but are 3D shadows of their 4D reality INTERDIMENSIONAL and encompassing the observed 3D (say by SOHO).

AA

[abraxasinas]

abraxasinas (http://projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=10275)

Thank you for your kind reply. I respect your effort , energy and attention.

Please accept my humility for I do not think I am worthy to talk to you.

You are as 'worthy' as anyone else. All souls have 'equal value' as shards of the World-Soul say.

Your reply to my questions was very generous. I was disappointed by the reply not because there was anything wrong with the answers you gave.

Personally I set myself up for an expectation of revealing new hitherto untold information.

I am sorry for not having been able to satify your thirst for unknown knowledge in regards to novelty drugs.

Your information was not new to me.

There is nothing new under the sun, as some saying goes.

In fact, in some areas I probably remain open to other possibilities, especially in regard to living without food. Mainly because I have met people who can do this!

I am skeptical in regards to biochemical reactors not being biochemical reactors.

In regard to techniques there are secrets about physical techniques that can access states of bliss. I am aware of some, but know people who claim to have others.

I wish you well to find your bliss any way you may find suitable on your path.

I was hoping you were going to reveal step by step some of these actual techniques that are still being kept secret by a hierarchy of gurus etc etc on whatever levels.

I am not a technician on anything really, I am more theoretical. I would be unable to design a simple lightbulb or knit a pullover.

Sitting meditating all day for years on end has proven itself to be a rather inefficient technique. Not many graduate with this technique - I know it works but very inefficiently - in terms of the number actually acheiving any results! Is'nt it about time some serious techniques were given out that work instantly.

I regard the 'secrets of the gurus and the hierarchies' to be similarly inefficient.
Your soul and inner guidance can give you any information withinj the context of your remembrances.

Wishing you energy to do what makes you happy!

I return your compliments to you.

AA

[abraxasinas]

I have been struggling with the concept of thought (stay with me...)

Questions arise as to the location of thought, which leads to questions of intent and purpose.

Mainstream thought (outside of my own head) holds co-creation as the goal...however the paradox of creating anything in a self-less manner seems tainted with ego.

Is thought imaginary at all? If not, what are we to make of dreams?

Dreams are like 4D reality.

If they are not imaginary, yet also not from our ego driven motives...what is the point?

Are we experiencing every thought...at the same time...seperately?

Thoughts are the 1st Order of manifestation. 2nd order are emotions. 3rd order are physicalities - subjectivity objectionalised. Thoughts are as REAL as objects andd subjects.


I have come to this: Attention on Intention...and find myself lost

I have read/heard/been told to:


1. Think with the Heart

2. Feel with the Mind

That's one of the 'secrets' - reflectivity between functionalities and utilities.


....and have come here for help....as at this time I am stuck with logic and reason.

Logic and Reason are a required foundation for progress of the soul.

Is there any hope for someone like me? I'm not sure (ego-mind) if my DNA is ready for ascension, but my heart yearns for it.

Only you can answer if there is hope for you in whatever context you are considering yourself to be in.


How can this be a true desire with out the ego?

There is nothing 'wrong' with desire. Prime Source DESIRES to share its energy with all things;those things recognising themselves as party of source. Then feedback occurs and progress and evolution ofr all systems eventuates.

Namaste

AA

[abraxasinas]

Okay, I am sorry but I cannot wade through 37 pages of a thread, so excuse me if this question has been posted before.

With all the esoteric information you obviously have at your disposal can you explain to me where it is stated ................."144,000 souls will be saved."

This is a stereotypical statement, often coloured by religious zealotry Ellie.
EVERYONE is the 144,000, but not many can conceptualise this and so search for something without, that is within.


Would this mean if 144,000 souls can be found on Gaia to be ready for ascension then that might mean Gaia's people will be saved from nuclear wars and taken out by Nibiru or does it mean that only the 144,000 souls will be saved.

As you stated, I have described this in detail a number of times here. Briefly, Nibiru IS Earth as a New StarPlanet. The 144,000 are a daycount as a Mayan baktun and it represents 12 starsigns/tribes of Jacob. So every human is a member of the nonpolitical-geographical ISRAEL. The question and differentiation and polarisation (between the 'sealed' and the 'unsealed') is one of being able to REMEMBER and UNDERSTAND the 'Story'.


If it is the latter to be the most right (only 144,000 souls will be saved) I find it wanting to say the least because with the billions of people on Gaia right now I know for a fact there are more than 144,000 good souls here who are more than enlightened IMHO.

Of course, you have misinterpreted the archetype. The 144,000 also become coupled to 200 million (aliens); all of whom again reside within you in the interdimensional sense.

Is this a question you can answer or not? I have read some prediction threads here and I really wouldn't like nuclear wars and starvation to befall the people, children and little babies of Gaia.

The answer to this is simple. The nuclear holocaust and mass annihilation has already been prevented; say from 1987 onwards, when the human groupmind experienced a 'quantum leap' in its potential group-consciousness (Harmonic Convergence, Berlin Wall Soviet Union. Tiannaman Square, Ayatollah Khomeini, South African apartheid etc. etc.).

Some 'natural' earth changes will occur and with the increasing planetary consciousness shared with the Gaian lifeforms; some people with access to warfare weapons might 'indeed go crazy' and start some devastating actions.
The main motto at this time is one word: SELF RESPONSIBILITY.
I advice you to NOT listen to the fear mongerings on any level; but to attempt to harmonize your emotions and at least to sometimes harbour a kind of 'peace of mind', that you are part of the creator of the universe and precious without comparison.



Thank you.

AA

[abraxasinas]

seconded. i know a lot of people believe that those who are worthy (have a higher vibe) are the ones ascending.

under this view, is ascension some sort of a reward?

Dear carriblu!

The ascension is also a descension. What comes down also goes up.
Just throw a rock into the air and see what happens.

Otherwise my reply to Ellie, should answer your question too.

AA

[UncleJohn]

Hi Abrax,

Do most all ET's have an agreement or understanding that certain subjects will not be discussed humans?

Does this agreement or understanding need to be checked or enforced
by a particular ET group?

Is there much sharing of contract information among the various ET groups?

To what extent do the various ET groups share their art and literature with each other?

Thanks Uncle John

[abraxasinas]

Hello Abraxas,

I hope things are well on your side of Earth.:original:

I wonder if you could talk about any experience or knowledge you might have about the concept of blending our dream world 4D with our awake 3D experience by means of sleep deprivation. I know this is not a healthy endurance for our physical, but its always intrigued me as to why I cannot go longer periods without sleep (mentally speaking).

Thanks


peace:original:

Dear firstlook!

Why do you sleep? You sleep because your soul finds the prolonged experience to be imprisoned in your 3D perceiving body intolerable for a lengthy period of linear time.

The dreamworld of 3D is programmed to become a refined experience of your waking consciousness in 4D.

So the 'need for sleep' will be greatly diminished and replaced by 'resting periods' in 4D, which you then can choose to 'materialise' as 3D sleeping.


joey

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abrax,

Do most all ET's have an agreement or understanding that certain subjects will not be discussed humans?

Dear Uncle John!

You appear not to realise your power with the ETs.
There are many, as many as you can imagine, hierarchies or courts or whatever ETs within your field of consciousness.
Through your thoughts you project and IMAGE the collective human database about your personal exposes and preferences into the universe.
In the distant past, beginning so 20 million years ago an even earlier past dated at 2,200 million years ago became MOULDED on this planet in the lifeforms represented then in the planetary environment.

HigherD intelligences could begin to INTERACT with say the flora and fauna of the Miocene epoch.
Old World monkeys (with the separated thumb) especially became associated with particular hominid sentiences, based on an then not yet materialised genotype.

From this ancestral ET-hominid genotype the PHYSICAL evolution of the homo sapiens archetype proceeded and more and more ET associatons were formed between Gaian lifeforms and ET intelligences, the latter experiencing their full densified expression ONLY upon the planet earth.

Whatever ET liasons exist away from the Gaian environment; these alliances are NEVER independent from a common 'Gaian homeplanet' - in terms of the FULL physical selfexpression of the ETs.

The physicality of ALL ETs is COMPROMISED away from the planetary environment due to the lightspeed parameter inversion defining the Gaian quarantine to 2 million kilometers in radius from the earth center.
The ETs away from this 'Circle of Encompassment' are so NOT the same as they appear in the 3D space - they are 4D sentiences projecting their presence as 3D shadows into the Gaian environment.
The physicality of the universe (away from earth) is rather more PLASMIC than the solidity experienced on earth.




Does this agreement or understanding need to be checked or enforced
by a particular ET group?

No, the final 'authority' is the Logos of Creation (and Centered on Gaia); as this Logos encompasses the Universe as a Perimeter, acting like a spherical mirror.

Is there much sharing of contract information among the various ET groups?

Just ask the Pleiadeans within you to give you this data ...or the Andromedeans or the Alpha Draconians. They will answer you if your intent and integrity is true to your soul's understandings.

To what extent do the various ET groups share their art and literature with each other?

All of the artwork, music, paintings and so on found in the human database has ET components. Think of a Mandrill's artwork and compare it to a Rembrandt - there is your human-ET connection.


Thanks Uncle John

Your welcome!

AA

[ellie]

AA


You know, everything you said right there resonates with me, thank you for the time you took to answer me. I felt quite a peace reading your words.

Thank you again.:wub2::wub2:

Ellie.

PS: I am praying for everyone, try to do it everyday.

[orthodoxymoron]

This thread reminds me of one of my favorite Stargate SG-1 episodes. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race

I have recently become particularly interested in the Archangels Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer. What type of beings are they? Are they in conflict with each other? If so...is the Human Race the central issue in this conflict? Is Michael really Jesus? Was Jesus the last Pharaoh? Is Mary a legitimate co-mediatrix with Jesus? Could Gabriel be identified with Zionism? Could Lucifer be identified with Teutonic Zionism? Could Michael be identified with the Andromedan perspective? Who is the God or Goddess of This World? Has corruption and sanity been a problem for this being? Are Satan and Lucifer two separate and distinct beings? Is there...or has there ever been...a God who was higher than Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer? If so...was this God destroyed in the War in Heaven? Is Satan one of these three? If so...which one? Did Lucifer instruct Charles Darwin? Would Human sovereignty in this Solar System be a good thing? Is a theocracy a good or a bad thing? Is Responsible Freedom fundamentally rebellious in nature? Can the Riemann Integral be applied to curved space? Is quantum physics valid...or would a modified classical physics provide a more secure foundation? What are the theological implications and ramifications of quantum physics? Why was Heisenberg uncertain? Can a particle really be influenced by observation?

Have you ever read 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White? If so...what is your opinion? Have you heard of Dr. Desmond Ford? (An Adventist Theologian from Australia) What is the proper interpretation of, and relationship between, Daniel 8:14 and Hebrews 9:12? Should the Biblical Cannon have ended with the Acts of the Apostles? Is the so called Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan really a Human vs Reptilian conflict? Or is it really between two individual beings? What are the soteriological implications of the human nature of Jesus Christ? Is the substitutionary atonement...in the context of the Old Testamental sacrificial system...a theological milestone...or a historical necessity? Is theology at the center of disclosure? Is Christocentric Egyptological Science Fiction a valid theological foundation or expression in modernity? Would a Non-Penetential, Non-Sacrificial, Ecumenical Namaste Mass...based upon the Latin Mass be a valid focal point for a Minimalist, Humanistic Theocracy based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? Is the All Seeing Eye at the Top of the Pyramid illuminated by the Dog Star Sirius? How important is Sirius? Is the God of This World the Prince of Sirius? Should the Protestant Reformation have been based upon the Teachings of Jesus? Are the Teachings of Jesus alone fundamental...and the rest of scripture merely contextual? Do Reptilian Beings hate Jesus Christ? If so...why? Is there a 'Heaven' in M-42 in Orion? What type of beings might be found in this portion of the heavens? Is there hope and redemption for all beings in the Universe? I want everyone to make it! Even the really evil beings...if this is possible. Some isolation and re-education might be necessary...and some might have to be eternally isolated. I don't know...but I do not wish harm or misery on any being...no matter who they are...what they look like...or what they have done. All of us may have some very filthy reincarnational baggage!

I could keep going for hours...but I'd better stop. You don't need to answer all or any of these questions. I just have lots and lots of questions. If I truly spoke my mind...I'd be in huge trouble. I think I'm in enough trouble already. Thank-you abraxasinas! I love that name! Do you work or live in Pine Gap? You don't have to answer that last question!

:original:Namaste:original:

[berathebrain]

Hi Abraxas.

I have always wondered how in the world does the Rodin coil achieves the effects it achieves. Like making a monopole magnet out of a steel bar when a pulsed direct current is running through the coil.
Also, there is this video with Rodin himself, Nassim Haramein and a guy named James (I think that is his name), where James shows how to make a speaker out of a Rodin coil and permanent magnet. What is producing the sound here?
Also, could this coil have something to do with free energy?

Have you heard of Steven Mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvLuQOKOVXQ and his motionless generator, where he somehow draws the energy from the vacuum or from all the electromagnetic frequencies that bombards the Earth all the time. Anyway, I was interested is that some kind of a hoax or it could really be done?

Thank you for your patience with this questions.

[soapcrates]

Can I come to you and get help building a super new n improved magnet motor? :D

[wilsonericq7]

1. Think with the Heart

2. Feel with the Mind

That's one of the 'secrets' - reflectivity between functionalities and utilities.AA

Good Morning,

I would like to learn/feel/love this 'secret' of refelctivity between functionalities and utilities. How do I start/continue to remember this?

This morning (Jan 27th) I turned 40 years old (at 5:23am EDT); I was wondering about the significance of cycles of 40 years in 3D...is there any?

What is the significance of the twin 'flame' (not soul) as undestood in 3D with regards to the Thuban council? Do I have a female 'reflection' trying to communicate with me of which I am unaware?

What is the significace of 9? 9 planets per solar system, etc.

What is the relevance and accuracy behind the story of Thiaoouba?

Thank you so much...for all of us...for everything.

Namaste

[truthseeker]

Hi Abraxasinas,

Thanks for this fascinating thread. I can not claim to understand all the physics and mathematics that you have here presented, as I am no scientist myself, though I do sense some truth here in what you write and say. Whilst not a scientist myself, I have a great fascination with true science, as opposed to the scientism or pseudoscience that is so often presented as the real thing by many mainstream scientists (after all, they are only human too), those that fund them (the big corporations), those that repeat their claims to the wider world (the mainstream media) and those that pedal those same claims to support their own short-term agendas (the politicians).

I do not know whether the messages that you are transmitting from the Thuban Council are representative of the truth or not. However, I have the same lack of knowing with regard to other transmissions (e.g. the Wingmaker or Voyager materials) and channellings (e.g. the Ra, Seth or ‘Galactic Federation of Light’ materials) from alleged extraterrestrial, inter-dimensional, angelic or other sources. However, I do like it that you attempt to frame the Thuban transmissions within known science, whilst at the same time recognizing the limitations of the latter. Indeed, I find it quite refreshing to find someone here at Avalon presenting mainstream physics in a spiritual context; or, put another way, presenting deep spiritual truth within a framework of mainstream physics (both Newtonian and Quantum).

So here is my first set of questions, most of which of which relate to the science of astronomy: -

Question 1

Are you familiar with the Electrical Universe theory (see http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm plus this beautiful video, http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374 from the same group)? This group suggest that black holes may not exist at all. They suggest that they are a creation of mainstream astronomers, along with dark matter, dark energy, neutron stars and much, much more. They argue that mainstream astronomers have invented a whole range of phenomena in an attempt to explain the many anomalies that exist, if a largely gravitational based universe is taken as fact. In contrast, the Electric Universe theorists propose electromagnetism, as opposed to gravitation, as the dominating force within our galaxy and universe. They suggest that these apparent anomalies can be explained electromagnetically, without reference to black holes, dark matter, etc. These theories also raise all sorts of other questions about the standard gravitational model of the universe, including well known theories such as the ‘Expanding Universe’ and the ‘Big Bang’. Even the very nature of our own Sun does not appear to fit the gravitational theory. The latter suggests that the Sun should be hotter at its core and cooler at its extremities. However, according to the Electric Universe theorists the opposite is true.

The physics and astronomy presented on this thread by your self and apparently supported by the Thuban Council seems largely to be mainstream in orientation and thus not supportive of the Electrical Universe theorists. Abraxas, what is your view (and that of the Thuban Council, if different) on the Electrical Universe theories?

Question 2

The maverick scientist, Paul LaViolette, also questions the existence of black holes at the centre of galaxies (see here, http://www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Gravity.html, for clarification on this). Within his own theories, he suggests that an enormous ‘Mother Star’, which is a very different proposition to a ‘Black Hole’, occupies the centre of our galaxy. He argues that something similar exists at the centre of all galaxies. According to LaViolette it is from our own central mother star (i.e. the Galactic Centre or GC) that cosmic ray particles are dispersed in major periodic galactic core outbursts, also referred to as ‘Superwaves’. These superwave events are believed to occur at relatively regular intervals that very roughly seem to correlate with the precessional cycle and its half-cycle, though their also appear to be smaller, and less catastrophic, interim core outbursts between the main events.

If such a precession-superwave correlation were precise it would suggest a major galactic core outburst every 26,000 or 13,000 years. On reading some of LaViolette’s work, I have not found a precise correlation between the two phenomena, only a very rough correlation. However, some writers seem to be trying to fit the two concepts together in a very precise and specific way. Thus they seem to suggest that, if the current precessional cycle is due to end on 21st December 2012, then it will be marked by the commencement of the next superwave outburst from our galactic core as it impacts us here on Earth. This would suggest that the last superwave occurred fairly precisely around either 13,000 or 26,000 years ago (i.e. 11,000 or 24,000 BCE). However, the truth of the matter appears to be that LaViolette’s theories (and yes, again they are theories, rather than facts) are not quite as simple or specific as that.

For clarity on all of LaViolette’s theories see his informative website (http://www.etheric.com/) or read some of his papers and books, many of which are available to be read or bought at his website?

So, Abraxas, what are your views on LaViolette’s mother star and superwave theories? Do they have any basis in truth according to the Thuban perspective?

Question 3

Many researchers imply or suggest that the Maya knew that there is in fact a black hole at the centre of our galaxy and that they referred to this as ‘Hunab Ku’. This, of course, may or may not be the case. However, even if there is not a black hole at the centre of our galaxy, as LaViolette and the Electric Universe theorists suggest, this does not necessarily make the Maya wrong. ‘Hunab Ku’ may simply refer to the very visible dark rift that descends into the central bulge of the Milky Way as it is seen in our night skies from here on Earth. The Maya see this dark rift, amongst other things, as the birth canal of the Milky Way. The lower end of this dark rift terminates just above the ecliptic which itself lies around 6° above the Galactic Centre, whether that be a black hole or a mother star.

Abraxas, do you and the Thuban Council, like John Major Jenkins (see http://alignment2012.com/ plus his books on the Mayan Long Count Calendar), maintain that the creators of the Long Count Calendar aimed the long count calendar to end when the dark rift and bulge of the Milky Way aligned with the December Solstice Sun?

Question 4

a) According to the Thuban perspective, who actually created the Long Count Calendar?

b) According to John Major Jenkins this 5125.325 year calendar was most probably created by the pre-classic Mayan peoples of Izapa in south-western Mexico somewhere between 400 and 36 BCE. Do you concur with this view or are the origins of the long-count calendar much older (e.g. Olmec or even Atlantean)?

c) Is the current 5125.325 year long count precisely one fifth of a precessional cycle (5,125.325 x 5 = 25,625.625 years) and thus the fifth and final age of the current precessional cycle?

d) Some Maya groups suggest that we are coming to the end of the 4th Age rather than the 5th. If this is the case does this invalidate the above proposed Mayan Long Count/Precessional Cycle correlation?

Question 5

What is the actual duration of a single precessional cycle? The period of time generally quoted for one Precessional Cycle falls somewhere between 25,000 and 26,000 years. The classic figure is 25,920 years (2,160 x 12), though more recently various authorities have suggested somewhere between 25,600and 25,800 years as the correct figure. My own researches suggest that all these figures are probably inaccurate, largely because they all assume a fixed rate of precession.

Estimations regarding the actual length of a single precessional cycle have largely been based on observations of the motion of stars and other astronomical bodies relative to the equinox and solstice points that are fixed to the seasons of the year, as we experience them here on Earth. In the current era (c. 2000) this rate is deemed to be about 50.29 arc seconds/year. This suggests a fixed precessional cycle of 25,770 years. Such an estimation on the actual length of the precessional cycle is based on that rate being an unchanging constant. However, in 1900 CE the rate was calculated at around 50.25 arc seconds/year. This latter figure suggests a precessional cycle that is twenty years longer than the current estimate (i.e. 25,790 years). Both of these rates appear to be correct for the eras concerned. Assuming this is so, the only conclusion one can draw from these figures is that the precessional rate is not constant at all. In fact, the precessional rate is clearly increasing at the present time. This does seem to explain, to some degree, the varying estimates on the length of the precessional cycle that I have come across over the years. My further researches have suggested to me that the precessional rate itself is also not a constant, and that it increases and decreases over much longer periods of time.

Abraxas, do you and the Thuban Council concur with my own findings here, which basically tell us that the precessional rate is both variable and not constant over larger periods of time?

Question 6

My own researches suggest two possible explanations for the variability in the precessional rate. These two explanations also suggest two very different theories of the actual mechanics behind precession. The first of these is the well known wobble explanation, also known as Lunisolar theory. This theory postulates that the precessional cycle exists as a result of a slow wobble in the Earth’s axis over long periods of time, which is believed to be caused by the gravitational effects upon the Earth from the Sun and, particularly, the Moon.

The explanation for precessional rate variability that seems to best fit the lunisolar theory can be found amongst the theories of Serbian astrophysicist, Milutin Milankovitch (1879-1958). He maintained that the Earth’s orbital cycle has modulations that lead to considerable fluctuations in its climate. Following the lunisolar theory, it would appear that at least one, possibly more, of these modulations, could effect the rate of precession, resulting in the increasing and decreasing motion suggested above. The three cycles, proposed by Milankovitch, that are deemed responsible for the modulations in the Earth’s orbital cycle are the Eccentricity Cycle (actually two generalized cycles of 100,000 and 400,000 years respectively), the Obliquity Cycle (approximately 41,000 years duration) and the Perihelion Cycle (a variable cycle of between 18,900 and 23,700 years in duration but averaging around 21,300 years).These three cycles, appear to have a more direct bearing on the Earth's climatic cycles than does the standard precessional cycle. The last statement assumes that both the Milankovitch cycles and the lunisolar theory of precession are correct, which, as we will see shortly, now appears to be open to question?

Of the three Milankovitch cycles – eccentricity, obliquity and perihelion – it appears to be the obliquity cycle that is the strongest candidate for creating the variable rate in the precessional cycle, according to lunisolar theory. This involves the changing tilt of the Earth’s equatorial plane relative to the ecliptic plane over a period of approximately 41,000 years. The tilt is presently at an angle of 23.45° (23°27’) and oscillates between extremes of 22.1° (22°06’) and 24.5° (24°30’). The angle is currently decreasing. The greater the angle between ecliptic and global axis the greater the seasonal differences between summer and winter on the one hand and the climatic differences of the northern and southern hemisphere on the other. According to this theory it would appear to be the case that, as the angle of obliquity decreases over an approximate 20,500 year period, the rate of precession increases; then as the angle of obliquity increases over the remaining 20,500 years of its cycle, the precessional rate decreases. Whether the eccentricity and perihelion cycles might also effect the precessional rate is not clear. However, it seems likely that both cycles might have some bearing on precession, if the lunisolar theory is accepted as the correct explanation.

Abraxas, it is this explanation of the precessional cycle and its variability that seems to most closely concur with that of your own and the Thuban Council. Do you concur with this statement?

Question 7

The second alternative theory for both the mechanics behind the precessional cycle and its variability in rate is known as the Binary theory of precession. It has been most eloquently proposed by Walter Cruttenden (see http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/.). He maintains that the so-called Lunisolar wobble of the Earth does not exist. He argues that precession is caused by the curved motion through space of our Sun, with its solar system, around a second star that is its binary companion. This Binary theory of precession suggests a completely different explanation for the decreasing-increasing rate of precession, to that described above for the Lunisolar theory.

However, before I attempt to describe that explanation for the variable precessional rate, I firstly need to summarize the basics of Cruttenden’s binary theory as a whole. Firstly, Cruttenden proposes a significantly shorter precessional cycle of about 24,000 years, as opposed to the usual 25,000 to 26,000 years described by proponents of the lunisolar theory. He bases this shorter period for precession on the writings of one Swami Sri Yukteswar. In 1894, Sri Yukteswar, one of the great Indian sages of that time, wrote his book, “The Holy Science”. Cruttenden argues, based on Yukteswar, that the precessional cycle is precisely the same cycle as that described by the Vedic civilization in India, as the Yuga Cycle. According to both Yukteswar and Cruttenden, the Yuga cycle comprises a 12,000 year Descending Phase, followed by a 12,000 year Ascending Phase. This results in a 24,000 year cycle in all, which both Yukteswar and Cruttenden correlate with the precessional cycle. Each phase is divided further into four Yugas each. In the descending phase these commence with a Satya Yuga (Golden Age) of 4,800 years, followed by a Treta Yuga (Silver Age) of 3,600 years, a Dwapara Yuga (Bronze Age) of 2,400 years and finally a Kali Yuga (Iron Age) of 1,200 years. The ascending phase then immediately follows with each Yuga repeated, but in reverse order, commencing with a 1,200 year Kali Yuga and ending with a 4,800 year Satya Yuga.

John Major Jenkins suggests a similar correlation between the yuga and precessional cycles. However, he appears to be unaware of the binary theory of precession. For this reason he attempts to explain the Yuga cycle in classic lunisolar theory terms (including the presumed 25,600 – 25,800 years which assume a constant and fixed motion for precession). However, Cruttenden and Jenkins also differ on a more important detail. This relates to the actual timing of the Yuga cycle. Jenkins suggests a chronology for the cycle with the low point between the descending Kali Yuga and the ascending Kali Yuga of the cycle based on the Mayan end date of 21st December 2012 CE. For Yukteswar and Cruttenden that low point occurred over 1,500 years earlier, in or around 499 CE. This difference is important as it raises the very significant issue of where we are now within the Yuga-Precessional cycle?

Sri Yukteswar maintained that the precession of the equinoxes and solstices is based on a forgotten cosmic motion of our Sun around another star. He provides an explanation for the misunderstanding of the length of the Yuga cycle in Divine Years as opposed to Solar Years. Here is a quote from his work: -

“The mistake crept into almanacs for the first time around 700 BC, during the reign of Raja Parik****, just after the completion of the last Dwapara Yuga (Bronze Age). At that time, Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga (Iron Age), made over his throne to his grandson, the said Raja Parik****. Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of his court, retired to the Himalayan Mountains, the paradise of the world. Thus, there was none in the court of Raja Parik**** who could understand the principle of correctly calculating the ages of the several Yugas. Hence, after the completion of the 2,400 years of the then current [descending] Dwapara Yuga, no one dared make the introduction of the Kali Yuga more manifest by beginning to calculate it from its first year and to put an end to the number of Dwapara years.”

So here we see Sri Yukteswar offering his understanding of the origins of why measurement, definition and timing of the Yuga cycle has come down to us in such a confused manner in the present era. Yukteswar argued that the 24,000 divine years, each of 360 solar years each, as advocated by most current day Vedic scholars is an inaccurate interpretation of the ancient scriptures. This classic traditionalist version of the Yuga cycle suggests a very lengthy cycle of four descending ages; a 1,728,000 year Satya Yuga; a 1,296,000 year Treta Yuga; a 864,000 Dwapara Yuga; and a 432,000 Kali Yuga. Thus, the whole descending phase covers a period of 4.32 million years. According to this traditional dating of the Yuga cycle, the current Kali yuga commenced in 3102 BCE.

So, if Sri Yukteswar is correct and the lengthy classic traditionalist interpretation of the yuga cycle is in error, what is the basis for the decreasing-increasing rate of his proposed 24,000 year yuga-precessional cycle as defined by the proposed binary theory? Basically, the answer to this relates to the distance between our Sun and its proposed binary companion, which according to the binary theory changes over the 24,000 year cycle. This is basically due to both stars having elliptical, rather than circular, orbits around each of their separate centre points. According to the theory, our Sun is furthest from its binary companion at the low point between the descending and ascending Kali Yugas. It is also at that point in time when the precessional rate is at its slowest. At the high point between the ascending and descending Satya Yugas, the precessional rate will be at its fastest. At that point our binary companion will be at its closest proximity to our Sun and solar system.

Yukteswar, Cruttenden and Jenkins all propose that civilization is at its highest between the two Satya Yugas and at its lowest between the two Kali Yugas. However, as mentioned above, Jenkins believes we are at that low point right now, whereas Yukteswar and Cruttenden propose that the low point was in or around 499 CE. If this is so, then since about 1699 CE we have been in the ascending Dwapara (Bronze Age) phase of the Yuga cycle.

So, Abraxas, I would be really interested to hear your view on this alternative Binary theory of precession as presented by Sri Yukteswar and Walter Cruttenden, as it seems to contradict both your own view and that of the Thuban Council that you represent?

Question 8

a) John Major Jenkins has, to my mind, persuasively argued the idea that the current galactic alignment between the December Solstice Sun and the Galactic Equator was the basic reason why the astronomically aware long count calendar creators (Maya or otherwise?) proposed that the end of their calendar would occur in the present era.

Do you concur with this?

b) Many have criticized Jenkins theory, stating that the alignment was actually closest at the December Solstice 1998, which is certainly true. However, Jenkins counters this, rightly in my view, with the fact that the December Solstice Sun in fact eclipses the galactic equator for a much longer period of time. He suggests a period of 36 years, from 1980 – 2016, on the basis that the Sun is 30’ of arc longitude in diameter. In fact, according to my Starry Night programme, the December Solstice Sun will eclipse the Galactic Equator for 43 years, from 1976 – 2019, as the actual diameter of the Sun at that time of the year, in the current era, is 33’ of arc longitude wide. The 2012 cycle ending date is well within this range and thus seems to support Jenkins’ arguments.

Do you and the Thuban Council concur with this view?

c) However, the question still remains as to why the long count creators specifically chose the 2012 December Solstice, as opposed any of the other 43 December Solstices’ between 1976 and 2019?

Do you have an explanation as to why 2012 in particular is so special?

d) From the Thuban perspective, is their anything that stands out for the more astronomically precise 1998 December Solstice alignment?

Was that year significant or is it the entire period from 1976 – 2019 that is of greatest importance here?

Question 9

Many alternative researchers and writers have, through some very sloppy research in my opinion, confused the current galactic alignment between the December Solstice Sun and the Galactic Equator, as we view it from our location on Earth and as described above, with the very different phenomenon of our solar system periodically crossing the plane of our galaxy.

This latter phenomenon is believed to occur several times during our solar systems 225 – 250 Million year orbit of the Galactic Centre. Many alternative researchers claim that our solar system is now in the process of crossing the plane of our galaxy. Astralwalker, on his Nexus thread has stated this (see his second entry on the Nexus thread). Kerry Cassidy, and many others at Avalon, continually refer to this alleged phenomenon occurring in 2012, at the end of the Mayan Calendar. Here is the truth of the situation as far as I can currently understand it.

From what I can gather, no scientist can definitively say exactly where our solar system is in relation to the galactic plane. As far as mainstream astronomy is concerned, I have so far come across the following. Back in the mid-1980’s, as far as I can gather, certain astronomers were proposing the following theory. They suggest that our solar system is not currently crossing the galactic plane. The general thrust of this perspective seems to indicate that our solar system oscillates above and below the galactic plane in whole cycles of between 54 and 80 million years. The favourite seems to be a 66 million year cycle, with 33 million years below and 33 million years above the galactic plane. The indication from that research is that we are now above the plane and have been ascending away from it for about the last 3 million years.

However, in contradiction to the above, here are nine estimates (courtesy of one Zyzygyz), from various sources, of our distance above the galactic plane that I found on Geoff Stray’s website (see http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/idiot.html - see bottom of page). 1 parsec (pc) is equal to 3.26 light years (ly). The range is 14 ly (approx 4 pc) - 112.67 ly (approx 34.5 pc), with a median value of about 63 ly (approx 19.5 pc). The top of the wave has been estimated at 85 ly or 26 pc or (http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0507/0507655.pdf ). From this data, it would appear that are solar system is at or near the top of the sinusoidal wave. These figures seem to suggest that it is much longer than the 3 million years ago, mentioned earlier, that our solar system actually crossed the galactic plane.

Frankly, I do not know how to translate the number of parsecs or light years above the galactic plane into the number of years in time that have transpired since our solar system last crossed over? I guess there are various parameters to take into account, including the actual length of our solar systems transit around the galactic centre (estimates vary from 200 to 250 million years). Additionally one would need to know precisely how far above and below the galactic plane our solar system rises and falls in its oscillating journey around the GC. As the extremely variable figures for all of these parameters suggest in the explorations I have so far found above, then it is currently virtually impossible to state anything precise about the location of our solar system in relation to the galactic plane.

It appears then, that claims that our solar system is crossing the galactic plane now or on the 21st December 2012 are not as well founded as many here on this forum and elsewhere seem to believe.

It is fair to ask whether any of the scientific information and theory presented above is accurate or true? And yes, we are here definitely dealing with theory rather than fact. So the scientists and researchers might simply be wrong. They have been wrong before and they will undoubtedly be wrong again in the future. They can not even agree amongst themselves! However, we must not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Even if they are incorrect, the vastness of our galaxy and the very slow progress of our Solar System oscillation above and below the galactic plane, as suggested by all these theories and measurements, would make it virtually impossible to identify an exact date for it crossing the galactic plane. It would certainly seem unlikely that a specific day (such as 21st December 2012), year, decade, century or even millennium could be determined for the Solar Systems entrance into and exit out of the galactic plane? Indeed, how thick is the galactic plane and how long would it take our Solar System to pass through it? Would it take hundreds, thousands or even millions of years? Determining where our solar system is in relation to the imaginary line of the galactic equator is equally problematic. We simply do not have a precise enough knowledge on the size of our galaxy; how far we are from its centre; how long a single orbit around the centre takes; or how frequent our oscillation above and below the galactic equator is?

So, Abraxas, what is the Thuban view on the location of our solar system in relation to the galactic plane? I would imagine that the Thuban Council have accurate measurements for our galaxy and could tell us exactly where we are in relation to the galactic plane and the galactic centre. So, when did our solar system last cross the galactic plane? When will it next cross it? How long dose it actually take for the solar system to cross the galactic plane? How thick is it? What are the true dimensions of our galaxy in terms of width, depth, the true period of orbit of our solar system around galactic centre and our distance from same?



Question 10

It has been suggested by many new age and alternative researchers and also from various channeled and transmitted (including Ashayana Deane in her Voyagers 2 book) sources that our solar system is in a 26,000 year (generally believed to reflect the precessional cycle of the same length) orbit around Alcyone, the central star in the Pleiades Cluster. The latter is located in the shoulder area of the constellation of Taurus. Often associated with these sources is the suggestion that we are about to enter a 2000 year period of time within this cycle that takes us into an area of galactic space known as the Photon Band.

This reference, http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Disinformation.html, to LaViolette’s work is very interesting, as it deals with the confusion between LaViolette’s galactic superwave theory (mentioned earlier) and the new age concept of the photon belt, together with the idea that our solar system is orbiting Alcyone. For the record and hopefully to clear up further confusion, this short article from LaViolette is well worth a read. The article basically shows the photon band theory for what it is, which is a rather ludicrous piece of misinformation and/or disinformation, first published in the 1980’s. The Pleiades connection to the Mayan Calendar is both true and interesting. However, the photon band theory that suggests that our solar system is orbiting Alcyone is quite simply nonsensical. Whether one accepts LaViolette’s superwave theory or not (I remain open minded on that one), the above article clearly demonstrates to me that the Photon Band and Alcyone orbit theory is not based on any kind of rational observational astronomy.

So, Abraxas, what is the Thuban view on both the Photon Band concept and our solar system’s alleged 26,000 year orbit of Alcyone?

Question 11

What is your view on the idea presented by some alternative researchers that our solar system is originally from the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy and is not indigenous to the Milky Way Galaxy?

This perspective on our place in the galaxy, at first appears rather complicated. However, the complication seems to have been created by certain writers either misunderstanding or purposefully distorting the original article by Steven Majewski, a Professor of Astronomy at the University of Virginia. Basically, the original article proposes the presence of two galaxies, the Milky Way Galaxy (MWG) and the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy (SDG) crossing each other at a sharp angle of nearly 90°. The basic proposition is that the more massive of these two galaxies, our very own MWG, is slowly devouring (over billions of years) a less massive galaxy, the SDG. The following source (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/galaxy_gobble_030924.html), by Robert Roy Britt (2003) suggests that our solar system, within the MWG, is now passing close to (though not necessarily through) the cross-flow between the MWG and the SDG. There is no suggestion, in the original article or the report referred to above, that our Solar System ever originated anywhere other than within the MWG.

However, two non-scientific sources appear to have either misunderstood or distorted this information. These are at http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=985423 and http://www.viewzone.com/milkyway.html respectively. Cliff High, among others, has also presented this view in a recent conversation with Michael St. Clair, which frankly leads me to question both High's and St. Clair's credibility as objective researchers. All of these sources claim that our solar system does not originate within the MWG at all. In fact, they seem to state rather categorically, that our home galaxy is the SDG. They suggest that our Solar System is now being drawn into the flow of the plane of the MWG, rather than continuing onward in its flow with SDG. The distorted versions of the theory also seem to be suggesting that the movement of our Solar System into the galactic plane of the Milky Way is the primary cause of the climate change that we are now experiencing on our planet and also elsewhere in our solar system.

I do believe man’s greedy, wasteful and consumerist activities are contributing to the problems we are seeing today and making the survival of this planets biodiversity (including ourselves) much less likely than would be the case had we taken better care of our planet. However, I do concur that this may not be the primary factor in climate change. However, there are other far less radical explanations for solar system climate change that do not require the distorted two galaxy explanation proposed here. For example, it is possible that we are simply entering a slightly more lively and energetic part of the MWG? Or, maybe our Sun is simply undergoing changes that are effecting the rest of the solar system? Or, maybe the two galaxy scenario is in part correct, but that rather than being swept out of the SDG flow and into the MWG stream, we are simply beginning to enter the cross-flow between our own (i.e. that of the MWG) galactic plane and that of the SDG?

Here is what appears to be a fairly accurate rebuttal of the more distorted sources of the MWG devouring the SDG (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/27/is-the-sun-from-another-galaxy/).

Abraxas, what is the Thuban view on this Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy origins view for our solar system?

Final Comment

That is it for now on the question front, though I do have a load of other questions, many of them ET related, that I may ask you in a future post. However, before I go I would just like to express the following thoughts and observations that this thread has initiated within me.

It seems to be difficult for many here at Avalon, and elsewhere within the alternative and conspiratorial communities, to grasp that science and spirit are one, and do not need to be continuously at odds with each other. However, it is just such a polarity between fixed beliefs and opinions that has become so evident within this and so many other threads here at Avalon. There are many diverse opinions and beliefs held here by the contributors to this forum, just as there are out their in the real world. We seem to have a need to find certainty within the scientific, philosophical, political, religious and spiritual frameworks that we come to adopt during the varying phases of our individual life-cycles. This is both natural and human. However, it becomes extremely hard for us to even begin to let go of a given perspective on truth and reality that has seemingly proven itself to us. We thus hang on to the old perspective and resist any new approaches for far longer than we need to.

Abraxas, you have clearly unsettled quite a few contributors here with your presentation from the Thuban Council combined with your own scientific understandings. Hence the defensiveness and hostility you have received here from many at Avalon. We all feel very uncomfortable when yet another perspective arrives to challenge the one we are currently adopting. We often then become defensive of our own presently adopted set of opinions and beliefs and hostile toward the new perspective being presented to us.

Personally, I take your message (and anybody else’s) at face value and have no reason to doubt that you truly believe this information is coming directly from the Thuban Council. Who am I to judge? I merely weigh what you say up against other things that I have learned, and think I know, and then try to use my discernment and discretion. Of course, I rarely, if ever, have a final answer!

I certainly do not feel that you are either a fraud or a disinformation agent, as some seem to believe. I sense that you are presenting your own wisdom as experienced and received. It is, of course, possible that some of this information has been distorted by either your own personality or by the Thuban Council itself. Indeed, the latter could have its own agenda, unbeknownst to you or anyone else. This is clearly what many here at Avalon seem to suspect. However, the same can be said for any other transmitted or channeled source, including that of Ashayana Deanne, which many here seem to hold in, what I believe to be, an unreasonably high regard. I fail to understand why folk are so willing to accept her work as pure and untainted and yet believe your own transmissions are so tainted. I guess it is all a matter of belief and opinion in the end? That is until such time as any one particular approach can be clearly shown to be true or false.

Others here might think you are simply deluded. However, such could equally be said of most of the personalities presented both at Camelot and Avalon. Whilst that might be the case with a few of the whistle blowers and witnesses interviewed by Kerry and Bill, in my humble opinion, I do not feel this is the case with either yourself or many others.

Anyway, I look forward to hearing your responses to my rather long-winded questions.

Best Wishes

Truthseeker (Andrew)

[Firstlook]

To the above post: Awesome.:original:

[hippihillbobbi]

Abraxas --

Thanks for your answers to my last questions ..... and for all your Other Answers to us all as well!

New questions:

1) What do you mean exactly by the following, "Humanity is the focus point of the entire universal evolvement, not just galactic, not just supergalactic, but universal." ? Does this have anything to do with "the whole only being as strong as its weakest part?" Or the fact that this earth/consciousness-shift has been planned for so long by the Logos?

2) Since the concept of time is "illusionary," does this imply that polarity (good-bad, etc) exists throughout eternity?

3) Will every soul eventually be reunited with its source .... and if so, what do people mean when they say things like, "they will return to their source as space dust", seeming to imply an inferior state to other ways-of-being "joined to the Creator"?

4) Is John, the "beloved disciple," truly the author of Revelations?

Many thanks, AA! :wink2:

hippihill

[abraxasinas]

This thread reminds me of one of my favorite Stargate SG-1 episodes. http://www.hulu.com/watch/68254/stargate-sg-1-the-fifth-race

I have recently become particularly interested in the Archangels Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer. What type of beings are they?
4 principalities;linked to the elements as polarity emanations of 2nd Order.
Fire=Michael complementary with Gabriel=Air
Earth=Uriel complementary with Water=Raphael
Lucifer=1st order archetype responsible for allowing gravity to be born in the Big Bang Template to reharmonise the massless electromagnetic template
Are they in conflict with each other?
No!

If so...is the Human Race the central issue in this conflict?
Yes, the human race is the central issue, but not in conflict byt reharmonisations.

Is Michael really Jesus?
The Fire-aspect of Jesus is Michael, call it the Logos of the Fire.
Was Jesus the last Pharaoh?
There is no last pharaoh. Jesus encompasses all prophets, all pharaohs and all things period.

Is Mary a legitimate co-mediatrix with Jesus?
Another one of those labels. Mary as the universal womb gives birth to Jesus who then takes 'Her place, so SHE can reunite with her vcreator as the creation. This the focus point of humanity/Gaia, as Gaia is a hologram for the entire universe.

Could Gabriel be identified with Zionism?
Zion is a 'holy place' namely your own body. The political and ET agendas do not carry in the Thuban books.
Could Lucifer be identified with Teutonic Zionism?
Of course ands of course not. You like your labels of classifications don't you.

Could Michael be identified with the Andromedan perspective?
Of course and of course not. Andromeda is in a class with Perseus aka Milky Way.

Who is the God or Goddess of This World?
The Father and Mother, cosmically not biologically speaking of Jesus.

Has corruption and sanity been a problem for this being?
Nope.

Are Satan and Lucifer two separate and distinct beings?
Yes, Satan is the true manifestation of a fake image, called the Devil. Satan is the 'court prosecutor' of 'humanity' and Lucifer is the template for this collective humanity being prosecuted by Satan
Satan is the 'Kali' of Shakti as two sides of the one coin called God.
Satan is God and you are Lucifer in individuality. You can either 'play' a Christ White Lucifer look LUCIFER=74=JESUS=MESSIAH=CROSS=...or you can play a Dark Lucifer as an abssorber of the 'brought' light.

Is there...or has there ever been...a God who was higher than Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer?
Yes, this is the 1st Order of Abraxas aka Abrasax as the polarity unexpressed BUT contained within, like the Dark+White Lucifers as One or as Satan+God as One.

If so...was this God destroyed in the War in Heaven?
No, this 1st Order is omniness and above such polarity issues as a war in heaven on earth or otherplace.
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Is Satan one of these three?
Satan is 1st Order, the archangels are 2nd order.

If so...which one? Did Lucifer instruct Charles Darwin?
Ask Charles Darwin.

Would Human sovereignty in this Solar System be a good thing?
Not yet, later perhaps.
Is a theocracy a good or a bad thing?
Your polarity issue.

Is Responsible Freedom fundamentally rebellious in nature?
No
Can the Riemann Integral be applied to curved space?
Yes.
Is quantum physics valid...
yes
or would a modified classical physics provide a more secure foundation?
more or less the same thing
What are the theological implications and ramifications of quantum physics?
There are many book you can read.
Why was Heisenberg uncertain?
He wasn't.
Can a particle really be influenced by observation?
Yes by quantum entanglement of observer with the particle.

Have you ever read 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White? If so...what is your opinion?
As is common happenstance Ellen tuned into a correct archetype about the nature of God and attempted to describe this via her intuitions and visions. Her 'Great Controversy' so used biblical study and the SDA ideas to promulgate the 'correct' central focus on the Logos of Jesus.
Unless you really become familiar with the 1st order archetypes, the religious overtones will outmanouver the deeper meaning of the Logos.
This has occurred in all analyses, histotical skeptical, religious dogma based etc. etc.

Have you heard of Dr. Desmond Ford? (An Adventist Theologian from Australia) What is the proper interpretation of, and relationship between, Daniel 8:14 and Hebrews 9:12?
The 2300 days are added to the 370 days of the Genesis prophecy (count Noah's days in the flood archetype) for a total of 1670 days.
Half that and you have the 1335 days in Daniel.12.12 as the timeline of the Logos in mirror function.
The connection to Hebrews.9.12 is spurious; as the 'blood of Christ' means not the 'blood of the sacrifices', but the 'life force' in the triplicities. both 'agreeing as One'; say the spirit, the water and the blood as the witness on earth and the father, the word and the holy ghost (1John.4.6-9).sons

Should the Biblical Cannon have ended with the Acts of the Apostles?
No.
Is the so called Great Controversy Between Christ and Satan really a Human vs Reptilian conflict?
No
Or is it really between two individual beings?
No, its between the One being in controversy with itself.
What are the soteriological implications of the human nature of Jesus Christ?
The Logos incarnated as a unique oneness so this oneness could become a manyness at the fulfilment of the timeline as programmed by the logos.

Is the substitutionary atonement...in the context of the Old Testamental sacrificial system...a theological milestone...or a historical necessity?
It past its use by date. The lambs are Aries, the goats are Capricorns and the calves are Taurians as starsigns. The 'blood sacrifice' of the physical animal has become replaced by the ordering of 'birthrights' of the 12 signs/apostles/sons of Jacob etc - all of whom are within you - if you can handle THAT Story.

Is theology at the center of disclosure?
Yes.
Is Christocentric Egyptological Science Fiction a valid theological foundation or expression in modernity?
Another label attempting to describe the ubiquity of the logos.

Would a Non-Penetential, Non-Sacrificial, Ecumenical Namaste Mass...based upon the Latin Mass be a valid focal point for a Minimalist, Humanistic Theocracy based upon Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?
This kind of 'mass' does not concern the Thuban Council.

Is the All Seeing Eye at the Top of the Pyramid illuminated by the Dog Star Sirius?
One of many labels for the solar eye of Horus and the lunar eye of Thoth.

How important is Sirius?
First Contact Star.
Is the God of This World the Prince of Sirius?
Yes amongst all other 'princes'.

Should the Protestant Reformation have been based upon the Teachings of Jesus?
They were.

Are the Teachings of Jesus alone fundamental...and the rest of scripture merely contextual?
Yes, absolutely.

Do Reptilian Beings hate Jesus Christ?
No, they are like humans, some understand others do not.

If so...why? Is there a 'Heaven' in M-42 in Orion?
Heaven does not exist anyplace but your own mind.

What type of beings might be found in this portion of the heavens?
Whatever you can imagine and image.

Is there hope and redemption for all beings in the Universe?
All are already redeemed, without exception.

I want everyone to make it! Even the really evil beings...if this is possible. Some isolation and re-education might be necessary...and some might have to be eternally isolated. I don't know...but I do not wish harm or misery on any being...no matter who they are...what they look like...or what they have done. All of us may have some very filthy reincarnational baggage!

WE are all Individuations of the ONE, defined and programmed by the Logos as the Sentience of the ONE Energy Source.


I could keep going for hours...but I'd better stop.
Thanks for that.

You don't need to answer all or any of these questions. I just have lots and lots of questions. If I truly spoke my mind...I'd be in huge trouble. I think I'm in enough trouble already. Thank-you abraxasinas! I love that name! Do you work or live in Pine Gap?
No, but the Council knows what goes on there, being the spying center for the Southern Hemisphere and such. They can only go so far. The Logos got them covered.

You don't have to answer that last question!

:original:Namaste:original:

I just did.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abraxas.

I have always wondered how in the world does the Rodin coil achieves the effects it achieves. Like making a monopole magnet out of a steel bar when a pulsed direct current is running through the coil.
Also, there is this video with Rodin himself, Nassim Haramein and a guy named James (I think that is his name), where James shows how to make a speaker out of a Rodin coil and permanent magnet. What is producing the sound here?
Also, could this coil have something to do with free energy?

Have you heard of Steven Mark http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvLuQOKOVXQ and his motionless generator, where he somehow draws the energy from the vacuum or from all the electromagnetic frequencies that bombards the Earth all the time. Anyway, I was interested is that some kind of a hoax or it could really be done?

Thank you for your patience with this questions.

Dear berathebrain!

I am not qualified to discuss experimental apparatus and so I am unable to state if this is a hoax or not.

I am familiar with the prerequisites for such devices to 'tap' the ZPE and so to 'work' as ZPE devices.

The powersource of the ZPE is a natural superconductive field inherent in space itself.
Here the current i=dq/dt of second order differential equation (say a RCL-Kirchhoff circuit) reduces to 1st order in replacing the electronflow q=Ne by a frequencyflow 2eNf=q. So the electron chargequantum 'e' becomes a constant coefficient in the equations reducing into linear applications.

Even more fundamental is the transformation of mass into a form of static monopolic electricity.
Here is a link: http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder7.pdf and
http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder9.pdf (Haramein-Rauscher critique).

AA

[abraxasinas]

Can I come to you and get help building a super new n improved magnet motor? :D

Nope; as I wouldn't even able to build a simple lightbulb.
Sorry soapcrates, but you need to look elesewhere for your magnetic motor.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Good Morning,

I would like to learn/feel/love this 'secret' of refelctivity between functionalities and utilities. How do I start/continue to remember this?

'Let's Get PHYSICAL', wilson eric as Olivia Newton-John sings in 1981.

This morning (Jan 27th) I turned 40 years old (at 5:23am EDT); I was wondering about the significance of cycles of 40 years in 3D...is there any?

Happy birthday.

In 1997/1998 you experienced your first 'change of life' opportunity in adapting to your life hitherto dominated by a strong sense of family, which gave you physical security.
You then 'lost' physical connectivity to yourself in your 'growing up' and concentarted in body talk, the language of your selfexpression say as a dancer or artist to substitute your sense of 'physical aloofness'.

In 2006/2007 you found a spiritual connecteness supplementing your activities and you became a highly adept expressionist using the human bodyform in as stated uncommon and more artistic expression.
2008 you became even more family oriented and in 2009 you really began to 'think' and mediate on your new sense of Identity.
This birthday 2010 will allow you to finally manifest a Grounding Physicality, which you yet have to discover and implement within yourself.

Metaphorically, you know how to dance in selfexpression, before you know how to 'just walk'.
Your soul knows what I mean.


What is the significance of the twin 'flame' (not soul) as undestood in 3D with regards to the Thuban council? Do I have a female 'reflection' trying to communicate with me of which I am unaware?


As posted many times before; what you consider to be YOU is actually four souls in a soul complex; 2 male and 2 female. {YX1+YX2+X0X1+X0X2}. You are your very own 'Cosmic Twinship' - doubled.

What is the significace of 9? 9 planets per solar system, etc.

The Decad: {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9} repaeats in rootreductions:
10=1+0=1*; 11=1+1=2*;...;18=1+8=9*; 19=1+9=10*=1**; etc. etc. etc.


1=Red................Principle/Antiprinciple=Identity/AntiIdentity(7)
2=Orange............P/AP=Expansion/Contraction(8)
3=Yellow.............P/AP=Order/Entropy;Chaos(9)
4=Lime................P/AP=Symmetry/Distortion(10)
5=Green..............P/AP=Eternity;Divergence/Limit;Convergence(11)
6=Aquamarine......P/AP=Inversion;Reciprocity/Constancy(12)
7=Cyanazure.......P/AP=Reflection/Absorption(1)
8=Turquoise........P/No AP=Relativity(2 in 1)
9=Blue................P/No AP=Quantization(3 in 2 in 1)
10=Indigo............P/No AP=New ID in Unity [1-9] in (4 in 3 in 2 in 1)=1+O
11=Magenta........New ID in (5 in 1+O+1)=1+1=2
12=Purple...........New ID in (6=1+O+1+1)=1+1+1=1+2=3


What is the relevance and accuracy behind the story of Thiaoouba?

There are many such personal accounts of ET-contact and of having travelled to interdimensional places.
What resonates with you will have validity in your imaginations then becoming IMAGES of your mind and memory.

Thank you so much...for all of us...for everything.

Namaste

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abraxasinas,

Thanks for this fascinating thread. I can not claim to understand all the physics and mathematics that you have here presented, as I am no scientist myself, though I do sense some truth here in what you write and say. Whilst not a scientist myself, I have a great fascination with true science, as opposed to the scientism or pseudoscience that is so often presented as the real thing by many mainstream scientists (after all, they are only human too), those that fund them (the big corporations), those that repeat their claims to the wider world (the mainstream media) and those that pedal those same claims to support their own short-term agendas (the politicians).

I do not know whether the messages that you are transmitting from the Thuban Council are representative of the truth or not. However, I have the same lack of knowing with regard to other transmissions (e.g. the Wingmaker or Voyager materials) and channellings (e.g. the Ra, Seth or ‘Galactic Federation of Light’ materials) from alleged extraterrestrial, inter-dimensional, angelic or other sources. However, I do like it that you attempt to frame the Thuban transmissions within known science, whilst at the same time recognizing the limitations of the latter. Indeed, I find it quite refreshing to find someone here at Avalon presenting mainstream physics in a spiritual context; or, put another way, presenting deep spiritual truth within a framework of mainstream physics (both Newtonian and Quantum).

So here is my first set of questions, most of which of which relate to the science of astronomy: -

Question 1

Are you familiar with the Electrical Universe theory (see http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm (http://www.thunderbolts.info/home.htm) plus this beautiful video, http://video.google.com.au/videoplay...90301316220374 (http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=4773590301316220374) from the same group)? This group suggest that black holes may not exist at all. They suggest that they are a creation of mainstream astronomers, along with dark matter, dark energy, neutron stars and much, much more. They argue that mainstream astronomers have invented a whole range of phenomena in an attempt to explain the many anomalies that exist, if a largely gravitational based universe is taken as fact. In contrast, the Electric Universe theorists propose electromagnetism, as opposed to gravitation, as the dominating force within our galaxy and universe. They suggest that these apparent anomalies can be explained electromagnetically, without reference to black holes, dark matter, etc. These theories also raise all sorts of other questions about the standard gravitational model of the universe, including well known theories such as the ‘Expanding Universe’ and the ‘Big Bang’. Even the very nature of our own Sun does not appear to fit the gravitational theory. The latter suggests that the Sun should be hotter at its core and cooler at its extremities. However, according to the Electric Universe theorists the opposite is true.

The physics and astronomy presented on this thread by your self and apparently supported by the Thuban Council seems largely to be mainstream in orientation and thus not supportive of the Electrical Universe theorists. Abraxas, what is your view (and that of the Thuban Council, if different) on the Electrical Universe theories?

Hi Andrew!

There are aspects of the Hannes Alfven cosmology which are a definite part of the Thuban cosmology; such as the integalactic magnetic fields, plasma waves and the general ubiquosity of electric currents in the universe. The manifestation of those physical phenomena are however a consequence and emergent from the standard mainstream models and in no manner require abandonment of well founded topics such as neutron stars, Big Bang Cosmogenesis and the 'dark energy' 'missing mass' scenarios (also see later answers).

The 'Electric Universe' manifests via the actual emergence of inertia from a noninertial (you may term it electric in the permittivity of 'free space') pecursor, we call gravita.
This then becomes the reason for Einstein's Principle of Equivalence.

Here are some links as to the Nature of Mass/Inertia as Monopolic Electricity.

http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder9.pdf (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder9.pdf)

http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder7.pdf (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder7.pdf)


Question 2

The maverick scientist, Paul LaViolette, also questions the existence of black holes at the centre of galaxies (see here, http://www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Gravity.html (http://www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Gravity.html), for clarification on this). Within his own theories, he suggests that an enormous ‘Mother Star’, which is a very different proposition to a ‘Black Hole’, occupies the centre of our galaxy. He argues that something similar exists at the centre of all galaxies. According to LaViolette it is from our own central mother star (i.e. the Galactic Centre or GC) that cosmic ray particles are dispersed in major periodic galactic core outbursts, also referred to as ‘Superwaves’. These superwave events are believed to occur at relatively regular intervals that very roughly seem to correlate with the precessional cycle and its half-cycle, though their also appear to be smaller, and less catastrophic, interim core outbursts between the main events.

If such a precession-superwave correlation were precise it would suggest a major galactic core outburst every 26,000 or 13,000 years. On reading some of LaViolette’s work, I have not found a precise correlation between the two phenomena, only a very rough correlation. However, some writers seem to be trying to fit the two concepts together in a very precise and specific way. Thus they seem to suggest that, if the current precessional cycle is due to end on 21st December 2012, then it will be marked by the commencement of the next superwave outburst from our galactic core as it impacts us here on Earth. This would suggest that the last superwave occurred fairly precisely around either 13,000 or 26,000 years ago (i.e. 11,000 or 24,000 BCE). However, the truth of the matter appears to be that LaViolette’s theories (and yes, again they are theories, rather than facts) are not quite as simple or specific as that.

For clarity on all of LaViolette’s theories see his informative website (http://www.etheric.com/ (http://www.etheric.com/)) or read some of his papers and books, many of which are available to be read or bought at his website?

So, Abraxas, what are your views on LaViolette’s mother star and superwave theories? Do they have any basis in truth according to the Thuban perspective?

We would agree on the general idea of the cosmic rays as being emitted from the galactic center as a 'collective group consciousness' (see answers to later questions); but would not support the substitution of the Mother Black Hole by a Mother Star. The Thuban astrophysics is fully founded and based on the basic solution of Einstein's field equations of General Relativity in the Schwarzschild metric and so the Black Hole astrophysics of curved spacetime and gravitation on all levels.
The cosmic rays are actually a spectrum of high energy superstring classes as a remnant of the inflationary epoch preceeding the Big Bang Standard Cosmogenesis of a thermodynamic expansion of a Black Body Planck Radiator (following a de Broglie MatterWave Inflaton-Instanton).

So generally we do not support the LaViolette cosmology in its mainstream deviation.

Question 3

Many researchers imply or suggest that the Maya knew that there is in fact a black hole at the centre of our galaxy and that they referred to this as ‘Hunab Ku’. This, of course, may or may not be the case. However, even if there is not a black hole at the centre of our galaxy, as LaViolette and the Electric Universe theorists suggest, this does not necessarily make the Maya wrong. ‘Hunab Ku’ may simply refer to the very visible dark rift that descends into the central bulge of the Milky Way as it is seen in our night skies from here on Earth. The Maya see this dark rift, amongst other things, as the birth canal of the Milky Way. The lower end of this dark rift terminates just above the ecliptic which itself lies around 6° above the Galactic Centre, whether that be a black hole or a mother star.

Abraxas, do you and the Thuban Council, like John Major Jenkins (see http://alignment2012.com/ (http://alignment2012.com/) plus his books on the Mayan Long Count Calendar), maintain that the creators of the Long Count Calendar aimed the long count calendar to end when the dark rift and bulge of the Milky Way aligned with the December Solstice Sun?

Yes, this is an acceptable wording.

Question 4

a) According to the Thuban perspective, who actually created the Long Count Calendar?

The 8x8=64 Cycles of the Metamorphosis of the Human Chrysalis
with the link below in b)indicates an Afterthought in InSpaceTime creating the Chrysalis fom the Logos of the Forethought in NoSpaceTime.

b) According to John Major Jenkins this 5125.325 year calendar was most probably created by the pre-classic Mayan peoples of Izapa in south-western Mexico somewhere between 400 and 36 BCE. Do you concur with this view or are the origins of the long-count calendar much older (e.g. Olmec or even Atlantean)?

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id179.html (http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id179.html)

c) Is the current 5125.325 year long count precisely one fifth of a precessional cycle (5,125.325 x 5 = 25,625.625 years) and thus the fifth and final age of the current precessional cycle?
Yes, one fifth of 65 baktuns in 5x13x144,000=9,360,000 kin/days.

d) Some Maya groups suggest that we are coming to the end of the 4th Age rather than the 5th. If this is the case does this invalidate the above proposed Mayan Long Count/Precessional Cycle correlation?

Some Maya are free to carry different viewpoints from other Maya; just as is everyone else.
The Thuban perspective considers this the end of the 5th cycle.

Question 5

What is the actual duration of a single precessional cycle? The period of time generally quoted for one Precessional Cycle falls somewhere between 25,000 and 26,000 years. The classic figure is 25,920 years (2,160 x 12), though more recently various authorities have suggested somewhere between 25,600and 25,800 years as the correct figure. My own researches suggest that all these figures are probably inaccurate, largely because they all assume a fixed rate of precession.

Estimations regarding the actual length of a single precessional cycle have largely been based on observations of the motion of stars and other astronomical bodies relative to the equinox and solstice points that are fixed to the seasons of the year, as we experience them here on Earth. In the current era (c. 2000) this rate is deemed to be about 50.29 arc seconds/year. This suggests a fixed precessional cycle of 25,770 years. Such an estimation on the actual length of the precessional cycle is based on that rate being an unchanging constant. However, in 1900 CE the rate was calculated at around 50.25 arc seconds/year. This latter figure suggests a precessional cycle that is twenty years longer than the current estimate (i.e. 25,790 years). Both of these rates appear to be correct for the eras concerned. Assuming this is so, the only conclusion one can draw from these figures is that the precessional rate is not constant at all. In fact, the precessional rate is clearly increasing at the present time. This does seem to explain, to some degree, the varying estimates on the length of the precessional cycle that I have come across over the years. My further researches have suggested to me that the precessional rate itself is also not a constant, and that it increases and decreases over much longer periods of time.

Abraxas, do you and the Thuban Council concur with my own findings here, which basically tell us that the precessional rate is both variable and not constant over larger periods of time?

65 baktuns are 5x13x144,000=9,360,000 days for 25,626.8096 civil (Gregorian) years.
Yes, we agree with your statement, that the precessional rates are not constant over lengthy periods of time. That is why we term it THIS precessional Cycle of 65 baktuns and refrain from extrapolating this cycle onto earlier time periods.

Question 6

My own researches suggest two possible explanations for the variability in the precessional rate. These two explanations also suggest two very different theories of the actual mechanics behind precession. The first of these is the well known wobble explanation, also known as Lunisolar theory. This theory postulates that the precessional cycle exists as a result of a slow wobble in the Earth’s axis over long periods of time, which is believed to be caused by the gravitational effects upon the Earth from the Sun and, particularly, the Moon.

The explanation for precessional rate variability that seems to best fit the lunisolar theory can be found amongst the theories of Serbian astrophysicist, Milutin Milankovitch (1879-1958). He maintained that the Earth’s orbital cycle has modulations that lead to considerable fluctuations in its climate. Following the lunisolar theory, it would appear that at least one, possibly more, of these modulations, could effect the rate of precession, resulting in the increasing and decreasing motion suggested above. The three cycles, proposed by Milankovitch, that are deemed responsible for the modulations in the Earth’s orbital cycle are the Eccentricity Cycle (actually two generalized cycles of 100,000 and 400,000 years respectively), the Obliquity Cycle (approximately 41,000 years duration) and the Perihelion Cycle (a variable cycle of between 18,900 and 23,700 years in duration but averaging around 21,300 years).These three cycles, appear to have a more direct bearing on the Earth's climatic cycles than does the standard precessional cycle. The last statement assumes that both the Milankovitch cycles and the lunisolar theory of precession are correct, which, as we will see shortly, now appears to be open to question?

Of the three Milankovitch cycles – eccentricity, obliquity and perihelion – it appears to be the obliquity cycle that is the strongest candidate for creating the variable rate in the precessional cycle, according to lunisolar theory. This involves the changing tilt of the Earth’s equatorial plane relative to the ecliptic plane over a period of approximately 41,000 years. The tilt is presently at an angle of 23.45° (23°27’) and oscillates between extremes of 22.1° (22°06’) and 24.5° (24°30’). The angle is currently decreasing. The greater the angle between ecliptic and global axis the greater the seasonal differences between summer and winter on the one hand and the climatic differences of the northern and southern hemisphere on the other. According to this theory it would appear to be the case that, as the angle of obliquity decreases over an approximate 20,500 year period, the rate of precession increases; then as the angle of obliquity increases over the remaining 20,500 years of its cycle, the precessional rate decreases. Whether the eccentricity and perihelion cycles might also effect the precessional rate is not clear. However, it seems likely that both cycles might have some bearing on precession, if the lunisolar theory is accepted as the correct explanation.

Abraxas, it is this explanation of the precessional cycle and its variability that seems to most closely concur with that of your own and the Thuban Council. Do you concur with this statement?

We agree with your description and emphasize that BOTH and other cycles are relevant. That is why we term it THIS precessional Cysle of 65 baktuns and refrain from extrapolating this cycle onto earlier time periods. There are also 'Wandering Planets', such as Neptune, now becoming mainstreamed in the availability of better technology to track such orbital dynamics and deviations.


Question 7

The second alternative theory for both the mechanics behind the precessional cycle and its variability in rate is known as the Binary theory of precession. It has been most eloquently proposed by Walter Cruttenden (see http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/ (http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/).). He maintains that the so-called Lunisolar wobble of the Earth does not exist. He argues that precession is caused by the curved motion through space of our Sun, with its solar system, around a second star that is its binary companion. This Binary theory of precession suggests a completely different explanation for the decreasing-increasing rate of precession, to that described above for the Lunisolar theory.

However, before I attempt to describe that explanation for the variable precessional rate, I firstly need to summarize the basics of Cruttenden’s binary theory as a whole. Firstly, Cruttenden proposes a significantly shorter precessional cycle of about 24,000 years, as opposed to the usual 25,000 to 26,000 years described by proponents of the lunisolar theory. He bases this shorter period for precession on the writings of one Swami Sri Yukteswar. In 1894, Sri Yukteswar, one of the great Indian sages of that time, wrote his book, “The Holy Science”. Cruttenden argues, based on Yukteswar, that the precessional cycle is precisely the same cycle as that described by the Vedic civilization in India, as the Yuga Cycle. According to both Yukteswar and Cruttenden, the Yuga cycle comprises a 12,000 year Descending Phase, followed by a 12,000 year Ascending Phase. This results in a 24,000 year cycle in all, which both Yukteswar and Cruttenden correlate with the precessional cycle. Each phase is divided further into four Yugas each. In the descending phase these commence with a Satya Yuga (Golden Age) of 4,800 years, followed by a Treta Yuga (Silver Age) of 3,600 years, a Dwapara Yuga (Bronze Age) of 2,400 years and finally a Kali Yuga (Iron Age) of 1,200 years. The ascending phase then immediately follows with each Yuga repeated, but in reverse order, commencing with a 1,200 year Kali Yuga and ending with a 4,800 year Satya Yuga.

John Major Jenkins suggests a similar correlation between the yuga and precessional cycles. However, he appears to be unaware of the binary theory of precession. For this reason he attempts to explain the Yuga cycle in classic lunisolar theory terms (including the presumed 25,600 – 25,800 years which assume a constant and fixed motion for precession). However, Cruttenden and Jenkins also differ on a more important detail. This relates to the actual timing of the Yuga cycle. Jenkins suggests a chronology for the cycle with the low point between the descending Kali Yuga and the ascending Kali Yuga of the cycle based on the Mayan end date of 21st December 2012 CE. For Yukteswar and Cruttenden that low point occurred over 1,500 years earlier, in or around 499 CE. This difference is important as it raises the very significant issue of where we are now within the Yuga-Precessional cycle?

Sri Yukteswar maintained that the precession of the equinoxes and solstices is based on a forgotten cosmic motion of our Sun around another star. He provides an explanation for the misunderstanding of the length of the Yuga cycle in Divine Years as opposed to Solar Years. Here is a quote from his work: -

“The mistake crept into almanacs for the first time around 700 BC, during the reign of Raja Parik****, just after the completion of the last Dwapara Yuga (Bronze Age). At that time, Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga (Iron Age), made over his throne to his grandson, the said Raja Parik****. Maharaja Yudhisthira, together with all the wise men of his court, retired to the Himalayan Mountains, the paradise of the world. Thus, there was none in the court of Raja Parik**** who could understand the principle of correctly calculating the ages of the several Yugas. Hence, after the completion of the 2,400 years of the then current [descending] Dwapara Yuga, no one dared make the introduction of the Kali Yuga more manifest by beginning to calculate it from its first year and to put an end to the number of Dwapara years.”

So here we see Sri Yukteswar offering his understanding of the origins of why measurement, definition and timing of the Yuga cycle has come down to us in such a confused manner in the present era. Yukteswar argued that the 24,000 divine years, each of 360 solar years each, as advocated by most current day Vedic scholars is an inaccurate interpretation of the ancient scriptures. This classic traditionalist version of the Yuga cycle suggests a very lengthy cycle of four descending ages; a 1,728,000 year Satya Yuga; a 1,296,000 year Treta Yuga; a 864,000 Dwapara Yuga; and a 432,000 Kali Yuga. Thus, the whole descending phase covers a period of 4.32 million years. According to this traditional dating of the Yuga cycle, the current Kali yuga commenced in 3102 BCE.

So, if Sri Yukteswar is correct and the lengthy classic traditionalist interpretation of the yuga cycle is in error, what is the basis for the decreasing-increasing rate of his proposed 24,000 year yuga-precessional cycle as defined by the proposed binary theory? Basically, the answer to this relates to the distance between our Sun and its proposed binary companion, which according to the binary theory changes over the 24,000 year cycle. This is basically due to both stars having elliptical, rather than circular, orbits around each of their separate centre points. According to the theory, our Sun is furthest from its binary companion at the low point between the descending and ascending Kali Yugas. It is also at that point in time when the precessional rate is at its slowest. At the high point between the ascending and descending Satya Yugas, the precessional rate will be at its fastest. At that point our binary companion will be at its closest proximity to our Sun and solar system.

Yukteswar, Cruttenden and Jenkins all propose that civilization is at its highest between the two Satya Yugas and at its lowest between the two Kali Yugas. However, as mentioned above, Jenkins believes we are at that low point right now, whereas Yukteswar and Cruttenden propose that the low point was in or around 499 CE. If this is so, then since about 1699 CE we have been in the ascending Dwapara (Bronze Age) phase of the Yuga cycle.

So, Abraxas, I would be really interested to hear your view on this alternative Binary theory of precession as presented by Sri Yukteswar and Walter Cruttenden, as it seems to contradict both your own view and that of the Thuban Council that you represent?

Not as much contradiction, but perception and analysis in encompassments.


How did the Maya know the 'End of Time' and the ending of the Great Cycle of the human presence on Gaia?
Some of my discourse is a little technical, describing calendrical systems and such; but it is given to show how the Mayan Calendar is correlated with the Gregorian one, the latter being the scientifically accepted standard of today's timekeeping.

The Great Platonic Year utilises the change of 1 degree per 72 years or 50 arcseconds per year to specify a complete transversion of the Zodiac of the Milky Way in 72x360=25,920 years for a precessional cycle.
For comparison the angular sizes of the sun and the moon coincide at 0.5 a degree, so allowing the possibility of annular eclipses to occur.

But this precessional cycle changes, being constant in approximately 41,000 year periods and as an effect of the 'wobbling' of the earth's axis due to its deviation from exact sphericity.
Gaia as a planet is flattened at the poles to form the geometry of an oblate ellipsoid and this geoemetry results in precession of the polar axis, tracing out an ellipsoid about the celestial poles.

This precession then changes over great time periods in the interaction of the sun, the moon, other planets and the possible interaction with gravitating extrasolar bodies such as asteroids and comets.

The present calculated rate of precession is about 71.6 years per degree or 50.3 arcseconds per year and so for a reduced Platonic Year of 25,765 years.

Because the moon is receding from the earth due to tidal effects at about 38 millimeters per year or 38 kilometers per megayear, the precessional duration would increase substantially over timespans measured in millions of years. But this rate is halved to about 20 millimeters per year so 600 Million years ago, when a solar year was about 400 days for about 22 hours in a day.

The tracking of the celestial movements are the basis for cyclicities and the invention of calendars.
A Tropical Year of 365.24219 mean solar days (msd) describes the movement of the Earth in orbit about the sun relative to the vernal equinox and because of precession the Tropical Year is about 20 minutes shorter than the Sidereal Year of 365.25636 msd and which measures the earth's orbit relative to the 'fixed' stars.

Elliptical precession relative to the fixed stars requires about 112,000 years to complete a cycle and the Anomalistic Year of 365.25964 msd relative to the sun's perihelion adds another 21,000 years to 133,000 years to correlate the three different years.

An Eclipse Year of 346.62003 msd specifies the interval between successive passages of the sun through a given node of the moon's orbit and as the lunar nodes move westwards by over 19 degrees per year in regression, the Saros Cycle of just over 18 years and of 223 lunations or 6585.32 msd closely approximate 19 Eclipse Years of 6585.78 msd.

The difference of 0.46 of a msd then indicates the reoccurrence of the saros eclipses on a location shifted westwards by so 135 degrees.
The saros cycle was known to the Maya, the Babylonians and to the ancient astronomers of human prehistory.

Related to the Saros Cycle is the Metonic Cycle, known to Greek and Hebrew calendar makers and correlating the 19-year-cycle of lunations to 19 Tropical Years with 235 Synodic Months, each of 29.53059 msd to within 2 hours.

This then is compared to the Civil Year of 365.2425 mean solar days and based on the Julian Year of a Century of 100x365.2425=36,524.25 mean solar days.

But for the recent human history, a greater cycle of 133,000 years can now be used to specify this human evolvement to the present nexus point in linearly measured calendrical time.

About 130,000 years ago, complete Neanderthal characteristics are found in the archaeological fossil record and by 50,000 years ago, Neanderthal Man had largely disappeared from Asia and by 30,000 years ago slowly became extinct in Europe.
About 100,000 years ago existed the largest primate hitherto identified.
Gigantopithecus Blackii was over 3 meters tall and weighed up to 600 kilograms and fossils were found in Southeast Asia.

The earliest Homo Sapiens Sapiens characteristics are found in the fossil record at so 100,000 years ago and the cultural leap into cave paintings and art began so 30,000 years ago with the great change from hunter gatherer to farmer and domesticator coincides with the holocene era of 10,000 years ago.

Mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam are the matrilineal and patrilineal most common recent ancestors for all living humans today, using genetic markers and molecular clocks to trace genetic variations back in time. Nuclear DNA is subject to variation, whilst the mitochondrial DNA of the ovum is relatively stable and the mutation rate on the Y-chromosome is relatively constant.
Mitochondrial Eve so is said to have lived about 140,000 years ago near Ethiopia in Africa.
Y-chromosomal Adam is said to be at least 30,000 years younger than Mitochondrial Eve and perhaps only 60,000 years old and also from Africa.
The oldest homo sapiens fossil dates to 160,000 years ago and as classified by the Herto find of 2003. It is also said, that the Neanderthals split from a common ancestry with the Homo sapiens genus about 300,000 years ago and that the genetic evidence points to a Homo Sapiens origin in the African savannah so 200,000 years ago.

The Mayan understanding now relates the evolutionary leap from Homo Sapiens from Homo Erectus to Homo Sapiens Sapiens or 'Wise Man' to FIVE Great Ages and given in the recent precessional supercycle.

133,000 years become 129,600=5x25,920 Platonic Cycles using a precessional average of 1 degree per 72 years.

Twelve Platonic Cycles are 311,040 years and 311,040 years ago the DNA-architecture of what was to evolve into Modern Man became INDUCTED by what is mythologically called 'Lemurian Root-Soul-Energy' and also as the 'giants' and the 'Sons of God' impregnating the 'Daughters of Man', say as in your Genesis encodings Genesis.6.2-4.
You might now understand that this encoding describes something before the Noahic 'Great Flood' and something after the 'perfect ten Noahic generations' redefined the 'Age of Man' as 120 years from a previous 'longer lived' generation and bounded by Methuselah's 969 years as the 'oldest man' who ever lived.

So now some of you may understand the archetype of the 'Great Flood' as the nexus point in the human history, when a previous hominoid evolution became terminated and replaced with a new one.
The previous hominoid generation was Homo Erectus culminating in the Lemurian archetype and then continuing in a multifaceted fashion with concurrent homninoids like Homo Neanderthalensis and 'great apes' like Gigantopithecus and after having itself evolved from Homo Habilis and Australopithecine ancestors dating back so 12 Grand Cycles earlier to 12x311,040=3,732,480 years.
This then is the reason as to why the Gaian anthropologists date the emergence of the Australopithecine human ancestry to about 4 Million years -13 Grand Cycles are 4,043,520 years.


The Solar System was created 5 Billion years ago and it took until 130,000 years ago to evolve Modern Man from Gaia's primeval and elemental beginnings.
The Mayan so manipulates the archetypical matrix of time to specify the first Platonic cycle as the reformation of a cosmic identity in utitility of the 10 principalities of the cosmogenesis applicable to the univere and all its substructures, such as a planetary evolvement in self-consciousness.

Application of the 10th principle metamorphoses the Old Identity as the 1st principle into a New Identity using the 9 Timelords as the means for this transformation.

So the Maya calls the first Platonic cycle the Age of Capricorn, thus labeling the 10th element of a zodiacal identity as rootreduction 10=1+0=1 and as mapped in the starry constellations of the Mazzaroth and of the ancient understandings.

The Platonic Age of Capricorn so began, when historical man Homo Sapiens differentiated from his environment and first became 'different' from its homo relatives, like Homo Neanderthalensis.

This and all other Platonic cycles can then be compared to similar 'Great Years' such as the Yugas in the Hinduistic reckonings.

The Satya Yuga as the Spiritual Age of Gold and of Meditation (Dhyana) lasts 4800 years in descent and is followed by the Treta Yuga as the Mental Age of Silver and of Sacrifice (Yajna), lasting 3600 years in descent.
The Dvapara Yuga as the Emotional Age of Bronze and of Worship (Archana) lasts 2400 years in descent and is followed by the Kali Yuga as the Physical Age of Iron and of Alms (Daana), lasting 1200 years in descent into Materialism, before ascending again for a similar period of time.
The overall descent from Spiritual Understanding to Materialistic Knowledge so becomes 12,000 years followed by a matching ascent from the physical to the spiritual rebirth.

The 'Day of Brahman' is said to be about 1017 seconds, which is the Age of the Universe, 6x1017 seconds being 20 billion years.
The 'Age of Brahman' then relates this age of physical cosmic existence to spiritual preexistence in the factor 1022/1017=105 and where the light invariance c=wavelengthxfrequency specifies this factor in the inversion constant 1/c=1022/(3x1030)=1022x(3.33x10-31)=3.33x10-9 and so as 1022=Inverse Timeinstanton/c=Source-Frequency/c as the 'Age of Brahman'.



Question 8

a) John Major Jenkins has, to my mind, persuasively argued the idea that the current galactic alignment between the December Solstice Sun and the Galactic Equator was the basic reason why the astronomically aware long count calendar creators (Maya or otherwise?) proposed that the end of their calendar would occur in the present era.

Do you concur with this?

Yes.

b) Many have criticized Jenkins theory, stating that the alignment was actually closest at the December Solstice 1998, which is certainly true. However, Jenkins counters this, rightly in my view, with the fact that the December Solstice Sun in fact eclipses the galactic equator for a much longer period of time. He suggests a period of 36 years, from 1980 – 2016, on the basis that the Sun is 30’ of arc longitude in diameter. In fact, according to my Starry Night programme, the December Solstice Sun will eclipse the Galactic Equator for 43 years, from 1976 – 2019, as the actual diameter of the Sun at that time of the year, in the current era, is 33’ of arc longitude wide. The 2012 cycle ending date is well within this range and thus seems to support Jenkins’ arguments.

Do you and the Thuban Council concur with this view?

The Mayan master timeline spans five great cycles of longcounts; each longcount being comprised of 13 baktuns, each baktun encompassing 144,000 kin or days,and as 20 katuns of 7,200 kin each.

It is the 65th and final baktun, which defines the 'birth of the starhuman' archetype to replace the older 'human' archetype initiated 5x13x144,000 kin or 9,360,000 days before the nexus date of December 21st, 2012.

As the sun's angular diameter is about 0.53 degrees, the Maya calculated the ending of their longcount in the last cycle of the winter-summer solstices as a function of the Mayan Precessional 'Great Platonic Year' of 25,626.81 kin (or civil Gregorian days).
A precessional degree then becomes 9,360,000/360=26,000=71.1856.x365.2425 days and so in the Mayan kin count, 71.1856 civil years specify a 1-degree precession and the galactic synchronisation at the winter solstice will be 71.1856x0.53=37.728 civil years for the solar transit across the galactic centre.

The Maya obtained the longcount from the 'hermetic' tradition (of the Plumed Serpent Melchizedek) of Kukulkan (or Quetzalcoatl in the Aztec parallel) and this 'prophecy' relates directly to a scripturally encoded 'day count' of 12,000+1,600=13,600 days in a 'furlong' count of measuring the 'inside' and the 'outside' of the 'great city' {John.2.21;Revelation.11.1-2;14.20;21.16} as the 'Temple of God'.
These 13,600 days from December 21st, 2012 will specify September 12th, 1975 as the beginning of the 37.728 civil year period of 13,780 days, then ending 180 days after that date on June 19-21, 2013, which is the following summer solstice in the 21-23 December, 2012 variation.
The midpoint is 18.864 civil years from either end and pinpoints 6,890 days from September 12th, 1975 on 24th July 1994.
The 'Beginning of the 'Age of Aquarius' is then scripturally determined within the last of the 20 katuns of 7,200 days or 19.713 civil years beginning on this April 5th, 1993 (20 civil years as 20x365+5=7,200+105 days and ending on April 6th, 2013.
This shall be further detailed in the timeline agenda, but engages the 105 days of 'Noah's daycount' (in Genesis) from the sending of the Raven of the Tarrying and the Dove of Peace to the Rainbow Covenant.


The 'Beginning of the Age of Aquarius' and as a 'Lower Bound' so is dated to the 'transition of the Sun from Capricorn into Aquarius on January 20th, 1998 and an exit from Aquarius on February 18th, 1998 and as 3.5 years from the midpoint date to specify a 7-year period archetypically characterising the galactic synchronisation scripturally and prophetically.
July 24th, 1994 plus 3.5x360=7x180=1260 days for January 5th, 1998 and a date to which are added 15 days as the encoded 'hour of the beast' in the proportion 1 day/24 hours=360days/15days and the dayyears encoded in Ezekiel.
This 'addition' then becomes 'natural' in the Gregorian calendar of 365.2425 days as compared to the Ancient calendar of 360 days in the 18 days as the differential between the two calendars (360x3.5+18=365x3.5+0.5) and the halfweek addition/subtraction of 3.5 days (see timeline agenda).
The 'Upper Bound' for the 'Beginning of the Age of Aquarius' must so engage the solar transit from Aquarius into Pisces in a mirror image for the 'Lower Bound' situated at the midpoint of the center of February 3rd, 2005 to assign this 'Upper Bound' the civil date February 19th, 2012 and so a 14-year superposition (2x7=14 proportionalises 2x18.864=37.728) for the 'Aquarian Transit' from 1998 to 2012 and as the galactic synchronisation of the galactic center 'Hunab Ku' with the Sun 'RahSol'.



Overall however, in the Mayan longcount September18th,1618 began this last baktun of 144,000 days. This is 25 years and 108 days or 9,239 kin before the birth of Isaac Newton on January 4th, 1643 as the onset of the 'Age of Reasoning' and science-based Enlightenment in the scientific methodology and a 'Renaissance of Rationality', say as instigated by Galileo Galilei (February15th,1564-January 8th,1642).


It would be this 'last' baktun or a 395-year period from 1618 to 2013, which would refine and finetune the human reasoning mind to gather enough data to 'finally' allow a full remembrance of its UnTimed collective reality in nospacetime and where 391 years from 1618 define the Year of the beginning manifestation for the 'Trial of Humanity' in 1618+391=2009.




c) However, the question still remains as to why the long count creators specifically chose the 2012 December Solstice, as opposed any of the other 43 December Solstices’ between 1976 and 2019?

Do you have an explanation as to why 2012 in particular is so special?

Yes, additionally to the above; the timeline in the Great Pyramid also (from the so called Great Step) also points to the 2012/2013 period and most important from the Thuban perspective, the prophetic timelines in the Logos descriptive 'scriptures' converge and synthesize in a precise daycount of 1600 from August 4th, 2008 to December 21st, 2012.

d) From the Thuban perspective, is their anything that stands out for the more astronomically precise 1998 December Solstice alignment?

See above. The 'Age of Aquarius' can be said to begin January 20th, 1998 in the solar transit from Capricorn into Aquarius.

Was that year significant or is it the entire period from 1976 – 2019 that is of greatest importance here?

The 'Great prophetic timeline' began September 12th, 1975 and ends August 4th, 2013 for a 'weaning' of the StarHuman Baby, born on the Mayan solstice date.

Question 9

Many alternative researchers and writers have, through some very sloppy research in my opinion, confused the current galactic alignment between the December Solstice Sun and the Galactic Equator, as we view it from our location on Earth and as described above, with the very different phenomenon of our solar system periodically crossing the plane of our galaxy.

This latter phenomenon is believed to occur several times during our solar systems 225 – 250 Million year orbit of the Galactic Centre. Many alternative researchers claim that our solar system is now in the process of crossing the plane of our galaxy. Astralwalker, on his Nexus thread has stated this (see his second entry on the Nexus thread). Kerry Cassidy, and many others at Avalon, continually refer to this alleged phenomenon occurring in 2012, at the end of the Mayan Calendar. Here is the truth of the situation as far as I can currently understand it.

From what I can gather, no scientist can definitively say exactly where our solar system is in relation to the galactic plane. As far as mainstream astronomy is concerned, I have so far come across the following. Back in the mid-1980’s, as far as I can gather, certain astronomers were proposing the following theory. They suggest that our solar system is not currently crossing the galactic plane. The general thrust of this perspective seems to indicate that our solar system oscillates above and below the galactic plane in whole cycles of between 54 and 80 million years. The favourite seems to be a 66 million year cycle, with 33 million years below and 33 million years above the galactic plane. The indication from that research is that we are now above the plane and have been ascending away from it for about the last 3 million years.

However, in contradiction to the above, here are nine estimates (courtesy of one Zyzygyz), from various sources, of our distance above the galactic plane that I found on Geoff Stray’s website (see http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/idiot.html (http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/idiot.html) - see bottom of page). 1 parsec (pc) is equal to 3.26 light years (ly). The range is 14 ly (approx 4 pc) - 112.67 ly (approx 34.5 pc), with a median value of about 63 ly (approx 19.5 pc). The top of the wave has been estimated at 85 ly or 26 pc or (http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0507/0507655.pdf (http://arxiv.org/ftp/astro-ph/papers/0507/0507655.pdf) ). From this data, it would appear that are solar system is at or near the top of the sinusoidal wave. These figures seem to suggest that it is much longer than the 3 million years ago, mentioned earlier, that our solar system actually crossed the galactic plane.

Frankly, I do not know how to translate the number of parsecs or light years above the galactic plane into the number of years in time that have transpired since our solar system last crossed over? I guess there are various parameters to take into account, including the actual length of our solar systems transit around the galactic centre (estimates vary from 200 to 250 million years). Additionally one would need to know precisely how far above and below the galactic plane our solar system rises and falls in its oscillating journey around the GC. As the extremely variable figures for all of these parameters suggest in the explorations I have so far found above, then it is currently virtually impossible to state anything precise about the location of our solar system in relation to the galactic plane.

It appears then, that claims that our solar system is crossing the galactic plane now or on the 21st December 2012 are not as well founded as many here on this forum and elsewhere seem to believe.

It is fair to ask whether any of the scientific information and theory presented above is accurate or true? And yes, we are here definitely dealing with theory rather than fact. So the scientists and researchers might simply be wrong. They have been wrong before and they will undoubtedly be wrong again in the future. They can not even agree amongst themselves! However, we must not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Even if they are incorrect, the vastness of our galaxy and the very slow progress of our Solar System oscillation above and below the galactic plane, as suggested by all these theories and measurements, would make it virtually impossible to identify an exact date for it crossing the galactic plane. It would certainly seem unlikely that a specific day (such as 21st December 2012), year, decade, century or even millennium could be determined for the Solar Systems entrance into and exit out of the galactic plane? Indeed, how thick is the galactic plane and how long would it take our Solar System to pass through it? Would it take hundreds, thousands or even millions of years? Determining where our solar system is in relation to the imaginary line of the galactic equator is equally problematic. We simply do not have a precise enough knowledge on the size of our galaxy; how far we are from its centre; how long a single orbit around the centre takes; or how frequent our oscillation above and below the galactic equator is?

So, Abraxas, what is the Thuban view on the location of our solar system in relation to the galactic plane? I would imagine that the Thuban Council have accurate measurements for our galaxy and could tell us exactly where we are in relation to the galactic plane and the galactic centre. So, when did our solar system last cross the galactic plane? When will it next cross it? How long dose it actually take for the solar system to cross the galactic plane? How thick is it? What are the true dimensions of our galaxy in terms of width, depth, the true period of orbit of our solar system around galactic centre and our distance from same?

When the universe was 236.5 million years old at a cosmological redshift of 7.477; the universe was the scale of what today is known as a galactic suprcluster. A galactic supercluster has so a diameter of so 473 million lightyears and represents the gravitational interaction limit.
The Copernican Principle of Cosmology states, that the universe beyond this boundary scale will be isotripic and homogenous (looking the same in all directions and having the same texture or pixel structure say).

A massless universe can be described as a Mother-Black Hole with a curvature radius of 16.9 billion lightyears and so the Daughter-Black Hole of radius 236.5 million lightyears as a supercluster Black Hole equivalent willso carry 'missing mass' and 'dark energy' (actually a form of stationary 'auric' lightmatrix as a 'space filling' consciousness).

So to close the universe as a selfcontained unity, the massless mother BH interacts with the inertial daughter carrying the entire mass-seed of the creation (Big Bang) within it and characterizing the 236.5 million year marker.

This marker so is a template or blueprint for the later much expanded universe and holofractalises again in galactic subsystems from supercluster to group to galaxy to starsystem to platery system to continents etc. etc.

In particular the gravity bound holographs itself in a template galaxy like the MWG in the solar systems orbit fractalising the Period of the orbit as the cosmic time of the manifestation of the 'master template'. So period T=1/f=2pi/w=236.5 million years.

To give specific values for galactic parameters is unwarranted in the deeper sense, as the galaxies supplement their baryonic luminous parameters with nonluminous 'consciousness energy' or 'haloes'. So for example the MWG halo interacts peripherally with the halo of Andromeda, its approaching sister galaxy so 2.6 million lightyears away. Generally, the MWG is 100,000 lightyears across and 1,000 lightyears thick in the luminosity and the distance between the galactic center and the Sun is 9,360,000 lightdays as defined by the present precessional cycle.




Question 10

It has been suggested by many new age and alternative researchers and also from various channeled and transmitted (including Ashayana Deane in her Voyagers 2 book) sources that our solar system is in a 26,000 year (generally believed to reflect the precessional cycle of the same length) orbit around Alcyone, the central star in the Pleiades Cluster. The latter is located in the shoulder area of the constellation of Taurus. Often associated with these sources is the suggestion that we are about to enter a 2000 year period of time within this cycle that takes us into an area of galactic space known as the Photon Band.

This reference, http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Disinformation.html (http://www.etheric.com/LaViolette/Disinformation.html), to LaViolette’s work is very interesting, as it deals with the confusion between LaViolette’s galactic superwave theory (mentioned earlier) and the new age concept of the photon belt, together with the idea that our solar system is orbiting Alcyone. For the record and hopefully to clear up further confusion, this short article from LaViolette is well worth a read. The article basically shows the photon band theory for what it is, which is a rather ludicrous piece of misinformation and/or disinformation, first published in the 1980’s. The Pleiades connection to the Mayan Calendar is both true and interesting. However, the photon band theory that suggests that our solar system is orbiting Alcyone is quite simply nonsensical. Whether one accepts LaViolette’s superwave theory or not (I remain open minded on that one), the above article clearly demonstrates to me that the Photon Band and Alcyone orbit theory is not based on any kind of rational observational astronomy.

So, Abraxas, what is the Thuban view on both the Photon Band concept and our solar system’s alleged 26,000 year orbit of Alcyone?

Atlas-Pleione-Alcyone-.. are labels for a very potent archetype for the Seven Sisters. This archetype is a hologram which can be mapped and mirrored onto any consciousness able to acknowledge the manifesto of this symbol, say as the Pleiades. The photon-belt so is NOT a 3D physical phenomenon, but a consciousness, defined in the gauge physics of the coupling between the light parameters and the inertia parameters. We term it the RestMassPhoton or RMP as the 'Particle of Consciousness'.
Then the 'photion belt' energy is real in a 4D sense in terms of said RMPs, but is not in any way some physical or electromagnetic field interacting with rotating dynamical systems of astrophysics.

The Seven Sisters so can easily 'energize'; seven continents or seven oceans or seven chakras or seven somethings upon Gaia or any other place 'consciously' energized by RMPs.

Question 11

What is your view on the idea presented by some alternative researchers that our solar system is originally from the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy and is not indigenous to the Milky Way Galaxy?

This perspective on our place in the galaxy, at first appears rather complicated. However, the complication seems to have been created by certain writers either misunderstanding or purposefully distorting the original article by Steven Majewski, a Professor of Astronomy at the University of Virginia. Basically, the original article proposes the presence of two galaxies, the Milky Way Galaxy (MWG) and the Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy (SDG) crossing each other at a sharp angle of nearly 90°. The basic proposition is that the more massive of these two galaxies, our very own MWG, is slowly devouring (over billions of years) a less massive galaxy, the SDG. The following source (http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...le_030924.html (http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/galaxy_gobble_030924.html)), by Robert Roy Britt (2003) suggests that our solar system, within the MWG, is now passing close to (though not necessarily through) the cross-flow between the MWG and the SDG. There is no suggestion, in the original article or the report referred to above, that our Solar System ever originated anywhere other than within the MWG.

However, two non-scientific sources appear to have either misunderstood or distorted this information. These are at http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=985423 (http://curezone.com/blogs/fm.asp?i=985423) and http://www.viewzone.com/milkyway.html (http://www.viewzone.com/milkyway.html) respectively. Cliff High, among others, has also presented this view in a recent conversation with Michael St. Clair, which frankly leads me to question both High's and St. Clair's credibility as objective researchers. All of these sources claim that our solar system does not originate within the MWG at all. In fact, they seem to state rather categorically, that our home galaxy is the SDG. They suggest that our Solar System is now being drawn into the flow of the plane of the MWG, rather than continuing onward in its flow with SDG. The distorted versions of the theory also seem to be suggesting that the movement of our Solar System into the galactic plane of the Milky Way is the primary cause of the climate change that we are now experiencing on our planet and also elsewhere in our solar system.

I do believe man’s greedy, wasteful and consumerist activities are contributing to the problems we are seeing today and making the survival of this planets biodiversity (including ourselves) much less likely than would be the case had we taken better care of our planet. However, I do concur that this may not be the primary factor in climate change. However, there are other far less radical explanations for solar system climate change that do not require the distorted two galaxy explanation proposed here. For example, it is possible that we are simply entering a slightly more lively and energetic part of the MWG? Or, maybe our Sun is simply undergoing changes that are effecting the rest of the solar system? Or, maybe the two galaxy scenario is in part correct, but that rather than being swept out of the SDG flow and into the MWG stream, we are simply beginning to enter the cross-flow between our own (i.e. that of the MWG) galactic plane and that of the SDG?

Here is what appears to be a fairly accurate rebuttal of the more distorted sources of the MWG devouring the SDG (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/ba...nother-galaxy/ (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/27/is-the-sun-from-another-galaxy/)).

Abraxas, what is the Thuban view on this Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy origins view for our solar system?

Just as the MWG is a template galaxy, so is the local Rahsol starsystem a blueprint Star System so is Gaia a template Planetary-Moon System. They are all holograms of each other and all have formed from the Galactic nebula labeled the MWG.

Final Comment

That is it for now on the question front, though I do have a load of other questions, many of them ET related, that I may ask you in a future post. However, before I go I would just like to express the following thoughts and observations that this thread has initiated within me.

It seems to be difficult for many here at Avalon, and elsewhere within the alternative and conspiratorial communities, to grasp that science and spirit are one, and do not need to be continuously at odds with each other. However, it is just such a polarity between fixed beliefs and opinions that has become so evident within this and so many other threads here at Avalon. There are many diverse opinions and beliefs held here by the contributors to this forum, just as there are out their in the real world. We seem to have a need to find certainty within the scientific, philosophical, political, religious and spiritual frameworks that we come to adopt during the varying phases of our individual life-cycles. This is both natural and human. However, it becomes extremely hard for us to even begin to let go of a given perspective on truth and reality that has seemingly proven itself to us. We thus hang on to the old perspective and resist any new approaches for far longer than we need to.

Abraxas, you have clearly unsettled quite a few contributors here with your presentation from the Thuban Council combined with your own scientific understandings. Hence the defensiveness and hostility you have received here from many at Avalon. We all feel very uncomfortable when yet another perspective arrives to challenge the one we are currently adopting. We often then become defensive of our own presently adopted set of opinions and beliefs and hostile toward the new perspective being presented to us.

Personally, I take your message (and anybody else’s) at face value and have no reason to doubt that you truly believe this information is coming directly from the Thuban Council. Who am I to judge? I merely weigh what you say up against other things that I have learned, and think I know, and then try to use my discernment and discretion. Of course, I rarely, if ever, have a final answer!

I certainly do not feel that you are either a fraud or a disinformation agent, as some seem to believe. I sense that you are presenting your own wisdom as experienced and received. It is, of course, possible that some of this information has been distorted by either your own personality or by the Thuban Council itself. Indeed, the latter could have its own agenda, unbeknownst to you or anyone else. This is clearly what many here at Avalon seem to suspect. However, the same can be said for any other transmitted or channeled source, including that of Ashayana Deanne, which many here seem to hold in, what I believe to be, an unreasonably high regard. I fail to understand why folk are so willing to accept her work as pure and untainted and yet believe your own transmissions are so tainted. I guess it is all a matter of belief and opinion in the end? That is until such time as any one particular approach can be clearly shown to be true or false.

Others here might think you are simply deluded. However, such could equally be said of most of the personalities presented both at Camelot and Avalon. Whilst that might be the case with a few of the whistle blowers and witnesses interviewed by Kerry and Bill, in my humble opinion, I do not feel this is the case with either yourself or many others.

Anyway, I look forward to hearing your responses to my rather long-winded questions.

Best Wishes

Truthseeker (Andrew)

Yes, I agree with your final comment and thank you for your efforts of asking such detailed questions, which I have tried to answer in similar style.

AA

[Malletzky]

Abrax, dear friend, thanks for your last reply to my question...and thank you for your patience and devotedness to answer all other questions here. Indeed, the fact that I was allowed to experience and FEEL the concept of the unification few weeks ago, and "the coincidence" with your appearance here on this forum, surely helped me to understand more then ever that:

ALL that is, is within us, and not without. It is I/ME/YOU/WE... that matters.

It's I that need to recognise the Creator within ME, and it is ME that must recognise the Creator within I. It is simple as that!

Many sources, begining with Jesus and his teachings and as last, the concepts of Thuban presented here [and I don't care the labels (many will know what I really want to express here)...but I care the message and how this message resonates within me and with my whole being] trigered many, many hidden truths within my heart in the last 18 years. Not only as a confirmation to what I already "knew"...it's more than that.

But it really is that simple...if one would only accept that it is him/her that contains "both sides" of the coins within his/her heart...label it good/bad or light/dark or just...DUALITY. WE ARE BOTH....or better say...I am/we are all.

I must say that I feel gratitude to the one that do NOT feel, do NOT see and do NOT experience the way as I do.

I feel gratitude and compassion that YOU (and with YOU, I mean the other almost 7 billion brothers/sisters on this planet) choose some other path...and that I'm allowed to "tap in" in this "field" called human groupmind and feel and experience what YOU do! Without YOU, I would not be perfect...Thank YOU!

And I don't care which path you've taken...do you lie? do you murder? do you love? are you Satan? are you GOD? No matter what...it doesn't matter.
I forgive you to forgive me, I accept you as you are...as it is YOU and what YOU choose to do, be or feel...that makes me entire, it makes me I AM!

with :wub2: and gratitude
malletzky

btw, I feel as I am only a "second" away from the bigest "personal enlightenment" ever. Let it BE.:trumpet::trumpet::trumpet::welcomeani:

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for answering my many questions abraxasinas! No more questions!http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edNMl1lqZmA

:original:Namaste:original:

[Anchor]

Are the Teachings of Jesus alone fundamental...and the rest of scripture merely contextual?
Yes, absolutely.

Totally agree on this. In an odd fit of synchronicity I came to that conclusion (or very similar) earlier this year. I suddenly realised that the only parts of the bible I ever paid full attention to was parts that referred to the actual words of Jesus. Virtually every time I have ever quoted the NT in support of making some kind of contribution to a debate it has been a "Jesus said:" quote rather than anything else.

Its fun when I read things like the quoted exchange.

A..

[halebox]

If dreamtime is 4d in reality then I need to work on that as I am sober in real life but I party like a maniac in my dreams and Ive done all kinds of bad stuff as well as good in my dreams. Also too many day to day work matrix dreams.

I mentioned the Greys, Pleadians, Annunaki being allies and you said yes despite the deceivers. Who might they be? What density are each of these groups? Is there a class system between these races where one is above the other?

Do the short Greys have souls or just organic robots? How about the tall Greys?

I have a very hard time with the bible stuff as I feel it is a means of control on earth. If the Thuban think we should follow the original teachings which have been altered how does one access unaltered versions of this?

It seems that lots of races lay claim to creating earth humans and Jesus just from what I've read on the net.

Dan Burisch claims that the Greys told him that they were future humans traveling back in time. Did you say that the Thuban are earth humans in the future as well?

Will the Thuban describe what the Annunaki look like to as it is a mystery to most here and I think we would all be open and accepting of them visually. I respect if its not time or none of my business as well.

Your view on why any visual assimilation or art depicting a reptilian is forbidden?

Is there any malevolent races earthlings should stay clear of?

Do you feel we are genetically programmed to ignore certain subjects or words?

The other night I was sleeping lightly dreaming and I felt almost like it was a computer program where I was flashing back and forth different background settings. Was I doing this or was I being uploaded?

Thanks Abrax

[eleni]

Aye Eleni!

There are a number of things, people should know.

1. The Sun in 3D harbours specific physical characteristics.
a) The Core Temperature is about 16 million Kelvin
b) The Surface Temperature is about 5800 Kelvin
c) The Corona Temperature increases from the (cool) surface to 2-5 million Kelvin

The physicist's explanation for the 'unexpectated' hot corona are magnetic vortices and 'fieldlines' inducting the energy via corona mass ejections and the sunspot cycles (two 11 year halfcycles). This is often termed 'Magnetic Reconnection', possibly linked to Alfven Waves.

2. The Sun in 4D (and higher) harbourts a Solar Black Hole 10 kilometers across at its core.
a) This Solar Black Hole communicates with the planetary Black Holes of the solar system including the golfball size Black Hole art the earth's center
b) The 4D solar energy interacts with the 3D solar energy via geometrical archetypes

The Thuban omni-science has discovered the reason for the sunspot cycles.

From the Thuban archives:

A local universe about a star forms a Black Hole-White Hole dyad of ellipsoidal focalisation of the Eps-Ess duality for 2 Chandrasekhar (White Dwarf Limit) masses of 6x10^30 kg=3 time Mass of the Sun. This ratio of 1.5 is important for the inner-outer penetration of the solar syrface to 2/3 depth and 3/2 coronal halo of the radius.
(The dyadic supermembrane as a soursesink modulates frequency as inverse time being a time constant).

The Solar Frequency Fsol=c/Wavelengthsol of the Star in three 120 degree sectors.
The isoceles triangle for this trisection so defines a Solar Chord of
Sqrt(3).Rsol adjacent to the two radii Rsol, as sin60deg=Halfchord/Rsol.

Then Fsol=lightspeed/(Sqrt(3)/2)=600 million seconds/1.732..~346,410,162 seconds or 4009.4 days or 10.98 civil years.
A halfchord so defines a 11 year sunspot cycle doubling to 22 years for the full chord with the size of the star a simple proportion of the Black Hole's Photonic Ergosphere (1.5 times from the event horizon), and where photons are 'forced by gravity' to travel in orbits around the sun.

So the 4D Sun ENCOMPASSES the 3D Sun and inducts the energy from the core to its coronal perimeter via the mass-magnetocurrent equivalence APPEARING in 3D as coronal ejections, the magnetic reconnections and the Alfven waves.

The sunspot cycles are like a 'heartbeat' or breathing of the solar entity, harbouring intersolar lifeforms as 4D sentiences also utilizing the sunspot magnetic current vortices as conduits from the solar core to the coronal perimeter.

The 'materializing' geometric shapes (one the Eagle of Thuban) derive from the 4D energy manifesting 3D shadows, independent on the temperature environment.
(Like a shadow cast onto a wall from a hot object is not itself as hot as the object casting the shadow).

A basic geometry is that of a corner in your room, joined by three perpendicular vectors, each of say unit length.
Now form a 3D tetrahedron in joining the three vectors to form an equilateral trianle.
The resulting Corner of your room is now 'sealed' by a socalled 'Right-Angled Tetrahedron'.
Note, this is NOT a 'Regular Tetrahedron' as one of the five Platonic Solids and where all four triangular faces are equilateral.

Summararily then, the UFOS around the Sun are from the Sun's Interior, but are 3D shadows of their 4D reality INTERDIMENSIONAL and encompassing the observed 3D (say by SOHO).

AA

Thank you for answering- have not read it all yet- will do so tomorrow.

[eleni]

To the above post: Awesome.:original:

My thoughts too!

[abraxasinas]

Abrax, dear friend, thanks for your last reply to my question...and thank you for your patience and devotedness to answer all other questions here. Indeed, the fact that I was allowed to experience and FEEL the concept of the unification few weeks ago, and "the coincidence" with your appearance here on this forum, surely helped me to understand more then ever that:

ALL that is, is within us, and not without. It is I/ME/YOU/WE... that matters.

It's I that need to recognise the Creator within ME, and it is ME that must recognise the Creator within I. It is simple as that!

Indeed it is malletzky - you are developing and emerging a wonderful gnosis.

Many sources, begining with Jesus and his teachings and as last, the concepts of Thuban presented here [and I don't care the labels (many will know what I really want to express here)...but I care the message and how this message resonates within me and with my whole being] trigered many, many hidden truths within my heart in the last 18 years. Not only as a confirmation to what I already "knew"...it's more than that.

But it really is that simple...if one would only accept that it is him/her that contains "both sides" of the coins within his/her heart...label it good/bad or light/dark or just...DUALITY. WE ARE BOTH....or better say...I am/we are all.

As said, you've found that the ONLY Real ENEMY is yourself within.


I must say that I feel gratitude to the one that do NOT feel, do NOT see and do NOT experience the way as I do.

I feel gratitude and compassion that YOU (and with YOU, I mean the other almost 7 billion brothers/sisters on this planet) choose some other path...and that I'm allowed to "tap in" in this "field" called human groupmind and feel and experience what YOU do! Without YOU, I would not be perfect...Thank YOU!

This is so profound and one day you will UNDERSTAND a a lot better, what you now FEEL to be your truth.

Unfathomable to most, even here on this forum, is that the so called 'dark ones' are the REAL Lightworkers.
They are the 'Prodigal Sons' for whom the 'parties are thrown', not the faithful servants remaining with the 'Parent' at home doing the 'good deeds' and thinking the 'loving thoughts'.

Why is this the case and why does the scriptures say this too?

It is because the LOST SHEEP as the 'dark ones' CREATE THE CONTEXT for the FOUND SHEEP to EXPRESS their real true nature after completion of a NECESSARY TIMELINE to create the context for the choices individually made.

In other words; the 'lost ones' of the STS 'force the issue' in a maximum polarisation, which so and aonly so can become minimised.

The result will be a New Earth, called the SANCTUARY for the entire universe and cosmic families of intelligences to utilize as a Blueprint for their own planetary environments.

No other ET civilization will ever have to experience PHYSICALLY the havoc the human disharmony was subject to to graduate as such an ARCHETYPICAL Placeholder.


And I don't care which path you've taken...do you lie? do you murder? do you love? are you Satan? are you GOD? No matter what...it doesn't matter.
I forgive you to forgive me, I accept you as you are...as it is YOU and what YOU choose to do, be or feel...that makes me entire, it makes me I AM!

with :wub2: and gratitude
malletzky

btw, I feel as I am only a "second" away from the bigest "personal enlightenment" ever. Let it BE.:trumpet::trumpet::trumpet::welcomeani:

You are doing so well in realising the Creator-Creation monad in the duality contained within yourself.

Abrax

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas --

Thanks for your answers to my last questions ..... and for all your Other Answers to us all as well!

New questions:

1) What do you mean exactly by the following, "Humanity is the focus point of the entire universal evolvement, not just galactic, not just supergalactic, but universal." ? Does this have anything to do with "the whole only being as strong as its weakest part?" Or the fact that this earth/consciousness-shift has been planned for so long by the Logos?

One cannot fault your intuition hippihill.
Yes, the Logos which you may understand as the Intelligence of the Heart of Jesus incarnate; is cosmic as an universal archetype.

The Earth is the focus for the physical manifestation of this Logos.
So Yeshuah the One Logos seeks to 'extend the family of the Logii' in himsherself manifesting as the One in Many.
Doing this will allow the ABBA, the Cosmic Father to for the first time ever in the history of the metaphysical universe (the physical universe is a subset of the metaphysical one) to become a GrandFather.

So the 'One Son of God' is required to have children of his own and those children are the 'Sheep of the Good Shepherd' as encoded and hitherto mistranslated by all 'readers' and 'analysers' of those encodements.

All the 'Sheep' able to recognize the One Logos within themselves, will BECOME Logii of the ABBA themselves and so become able to multiply the One Universe in Multiverses, using however the existing Oneness of the Logos as their own Kernel or Seed.



2) Since the concept of time is "illusionary," does this imply that polarity (good-bad, etc) exists throughout eternity?

As a context for the unity to exist in this is necessary.
The difference is however the KNOWING of the polarity (The Real Knowledge of Good and Evil as encoded) and thePHYSICAL 'Compressed and Concentrated' EXPERIENCING of this polarity.

Gaia, to become the Cosmic Mother of All That Is, took it upon herself to SERVE as the 'collector bottle' for this physical suffering and experiencing, known as the 'Path of a galactic civilisation in selfforgetfulness - a Humanity Lost'.

This is what the Birth of the Baby of the StarHumanity implies.

This birth will end the 'collecting of the bad vibrations say' and reverse the 'collecting sink' or planetary Black Hole into a planetary White Hole as a 'data emitter' releasing all of this collected negativity back into the cosmos just like a 'Horror Movie' which then can be watched by ALL OTHERS. The ETs so will NEVER have to experience physical selfdestructions as experienced by humanity and the Gaian lifeforms; because THEY can 'watch the movies' of Gaian History and LEARN from that how NOT to BE a galactic sentient civilization.

3) Will every soul eventually be reunited with its source .... and if so, what do people mean when they say things like, "they will return to their source as space dust", seeming to imply an inferior state to other ways-of-being "joined to the Creator"?

The 'space dust' simply refers to the mortality of bodyforms and the 'star dust' has become a label for the immortality of the bodyform by certain practitioners of the translators of the cosmic universal archetypes.

Do you think or feel that God will 'chuck' parts of herhis body form away as 'bad' and not belonging?
It is fear mongering and a derivative from the symbols about the 'Last Judgement' of the Logos between the right sheep and the left goats.
This 'Last Judgement' archetype refers to your 'false images' of yourself and not to separate entities or beings.

It is like you put a photo of you on the wall and you 'hate' this picture of you as it does not accentuate your nice pretty looks and say sexy qualities.
So you decide to take another photo of you to replace the one you don't like.
You then chuck the 'old picture' in the 'Lake of Fire and Brimstone' and 'show off' your new picture.

The Unification of yourselfd requires your 'fake selfimage' to be destroyed and this is the meaning of scriptures, when it says: 'Two are in the field; one will be taken and the other will be left behind'.
You are both; you and your shadow say or your yang as the Brimstone and your Yin as the Fire. Your Logos, copied or obtained from the One-Logos will then be the Lake containing BOTH your Yin and yourt Yang fully expressed.
All false images will 'burn forever in the hell' within yourself, as you then have graduated to be the Creator of your own Hell fieryness and your own Heaven icyness. You will become a MasterDevil and a asterAntiDevil subject to your choosings and your One-To-One partnership as an Individuated Logos with the Common Logos, common to All.




4) Is John, the "beloved disciple," truly the author of Revelations?

Yes, he is!

Many thanks, AA! :wink2:

hippihill

Abraxas

[abraxasinas]

If dreamtime is 4d in reality then I need to work on that as I am sober in real life but I party like a maniac in my dreams and Ive done all kinds of bad stuff as well as good in my dreams. Also too many day to day work matrix dreams.

The 4D reality will be LIKE the dream reality you experience now halebox. It will NOT be identical in the sense, that your 3D dreams will simply manifest as 4D.
Your 3D dreamstate of today is a mixture of extrapositions of your memorybank and consciousness with the astral dimensions/densities.

The 4D reality will allow direct interaction with the astral realms and so enable you to PROCESS your nightmares or interference patterns from the hyperspace dimensions say.


I mentioned the Greys, Pleadians, Annunaki being allies and you said yes despite the deceivers. Who might they be? What density are each of these groups? Is there a class system between these races where one is above the other?

It is you who is responsible to classify these sentiences. Browsing the web, the whistleblower testimonies, abductess, contactees etc. etc. you will find many such individualised or grouped classifications, sometimes converging and often diverging in content and generality.
The 'deceivers' are the intelligences themselves interacting with your individual perceptions. As your perceptions and ideas are based on your knowledge, experience and data base; many many contradictions etc. are possible and the less general the perception will eventuate in proportionality.


Do the short Greys have souls or just organic robots? How about the tall Greys?

This is just such a classification. These things are not fixed, because the ET presences are 4D-6D as hyperspace entities. Call it plasmic if you like.
The more individual perceivers agree on a certain classification, the more physically real this ID will become in manifesting in the densified earth plane of the quarantined earth.


I have a very hard time with the bible stuff as I feel it is a means of control on earth. If the Thuban think we should follow the original teachings which have been altered how does one access unaltered versions of this?

Concentrate on the actual words of Jesus and pay little attention to historical reconstructions either by theologians (including all evangelists and dogmatists) or academic historians.
The 'purest' scripture available is the 'Gospel of Thomas' (GoT) of the Nag hammadi codex. It is so pure, because noone could make any 'real sense' from its content and so it was dismissed as some 'gnostic superposition' (most gnostic literature is very 'polluted' by a genuine attempt to introduce the 'real' Jesus in the GoT).

It seems that lots of races lay claim to creating earth humans and Jesus just from what I've read on the net.

You can obtain background data but no real insight from the web. Use your information coupled to your heart's intuition AND your rational and logical mind for that.

Dan Burisch claims that the Greys told him that they were future humans traveling back in time. Did you say that the Thuban are earth humans in the future as well?

On this aspect I tend to agree with Dan; though this timetravelling is a little more intricate as believed. There are NO parallel universes and timelines; yet there is the potential for many universes based on a seedling universe so realising a multiverse.
There is NO multiverse as yet, as the Logos has not allowed any phaseshifts (The Logos can be said to encompass the protoverse seed).

From the Mayan nexus, this should become possible.
Yes all Thubans are future starhumans.

Will the Thuban describe what the Annunaki look like to as it is a mystery to most here and I think we would all be open and accepting of them visually. I respect if its not time or none of my business as well.

The Annunaki look precisely like the Mesopotamians of 2000 BC looked like in 3D, albeit supplemented by a 4D component, which allows perceptions of 'shapeshifts' and such labelings in an astral hyperspace component.

Your view on why any visual assimilation or art depicting a reptilian is forbidden?

Whatever is forbidden, is subliminally expressed or manifested in 'clandestine' fashions.


Is there any malevolent races earthlings should stay clear of?

No.

Do you feel we are genetically programmed to ignore certain subjects or words?

In a sense, there are triggers in the human mindedness which are rather hard to activate because of the brain conditionings to follow standard consensus patterns.
This is why it is written, that the 'solitary will inherit the kingdom of God' and similar.
Without being a nonconformist 'Black Sheep' of the human family; the social norms and pressures of the 'peergroup' generally prove too steep to overcome by one's sense of 'individuality'.

The 100th monkey effect will hoever allow great social change, should enough 'Black Sheep' find a common denominator for group-action.
This common denominator is the Universal Logos - withou it, as the 'master of the archetypes' all attempts for unification will fail.

The other night I was sleeping lightly dreaming and I felt almost like it was a computer program where I was flashing back and forth different background settings. Was I doing this or was I being uploaded?

As said, since January 18th, the 'personal armageddons' (especially potent for the 'Black Sheep') has begun.
You are being 'uploaded' AND you are being 'downloaded' due to the human groupsoul (encompassed by the Logos) activating 'evolution pressure'.
Many experience similar 'changes' on their innermost identity levels and self perceptions.

Thanks Abrax

AA

[TRANCOSO]

Dear Abraxasinas-san
Could you be so kind to grant me, & probably not just me alone, a huge favour: Please stop using the red & darkblue 'Color-fonts' but instead use yellow, white or anything bright, in your posts.

In combination with the 'Italic' font, the red & blue 'Color-font' wrecks my eyesight ...
:eyes:
... and it makes all your wise words very hard to read.

Thanx!

[Phtha]

Fascinating discourse that was! :trumpet:

I have a question about the various 'ages of enlightenment'. Using the Yugas as an example, what would be the cause or the mechanism that changes our 'levels of awareness' so to speak. Was this hard coded within our dna? Or is it due to some sort of Solar or cosmic rayes that effect the mass consciousness? Or perhaps it is more of a 'mundane' reason such as the suppression of knowledge? Obviously on a broader scale it is due to a Divine plan, but I'm just curious as to what the physical mechanism is to carry it out.

And for a somewhat unrelated question, I'm just curious about 5500 year time frame mentioned in the First Book of Adam and Eve from the Apocrypha, as God said this would be the duration of the Fall into matter from the Garden of Eden. Is this based on a cycle of some sort?






The Satya Yuga as the Spiritual Age of Gold and of Meditation (Dhyana) lasts 4800 years in descent and is followed by the Treta Yuga as the Mental Age of Silver and of Sacrifice (Yajna), lasting 3600 years in descent.
The Dvapara Yuga as the Emotional Age of Bronze and of Worship (Archana) lasts 2400 years in descent and is followed by the Kali Yuga as the Physical Age of Iron and of Alms (Daana), lasting 1200 years in descent into Materialism, before ascending again for a similar period of time.
The overall descent from Spiritual Understanding to Materialistic Knowledge so becomes 12,000 years followed by a matching ascent from the physical to the spiritual rebirth.

The 'Day of Brahman' is said to be about 1017 seconds, which is the Age of the Universe, 6x1017 seconds being 20 billion years.
The 'Age of Brahman' then relates this age of physical cosmic existence to spiritual preexistence in the factor 1022/1017=105 and where the light invariance c=wavelengthxfrequency specifies this factor in the inversion constant 1/c=1022/(3x1030)=1022x(3.33x10-31)=3.33x10-9 and so as 1022=Inverse Timeinstanton/c=Source-Frequency/c as the 'Age of Brahman'.

[abraxasinas]

Dear Abraxasinas-san
Could you be so kind to grant me, & probably not just me alone, a huge favour: Please stop using the red & darkblue 'Color-fonts' but instead use yellow, white or anything bright, in your posts.

In combination with the 'Italic' font, the red & blue 'Color-font' wrecks my eyesight ...
:eyes:
... and it makes all your wise words very hard to read.

Thanx!

Unfortunately, Trancoso; as I use the standard default version, using the lighter fonts make the posts unreadable.
So as contraindication, I advise you to simply change your preference version whenever you decide to read my wise words found in any of my posts and replies.

Thanks
AA

[abraxasinas]

Fascinating discourse that was! :trumpet:

I have a question about the various 'ages of enlightenment'. Using the Yugas as an example, what would be the cause or the mechanism that changes our 'levels of awareness' so to speak. Was this hard coded within our dna? Or is it due to some sort of Solar or cosmic rayes that effect the mass consciousness? Or perhaps it is more of a 'mundane' reason such as the suppression of knowledge? Obviously on a broader scale it is due to a Divine plan, but I'm just curious as to what the physical mechanism is to carry it out.

And for a somewhat unrelated question, I'm just curious about 5500 year time frame mentioned in the First Book of Adam and Eve from the Apocrypha, as God said this would be the duration of the Fall into matter from the Garden of Eden. Is this based on a cycle of some sort?

Hi Phtah!

To both of your question I have no specific answer, as the reply you are addressing is not Thuban data as say a revision of basic semiotiks, but are simple statements of the common translation of the archetypes by particular and incomplete schools of philosophy (the labels of the Yugas and the apocrypha).

Iow, your take on these data bases are as valid as anything I could assess in alaysis under the criteria of the said material under its own parameters.

Generally so, there are no'rays of enlightenment' from the cosmos or such - there is consciousness activating from a 'hidden library' within. Therefore the 'rays of enlightement' also derive from within and not from without.
Data like the Yuga data or the Thuban data can serve as a trigger for remembrances of the 'data from within' and nothing more.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Dear Abraxas,


In channelings like these http://www.welcomethelight.com/2009/12/metatron-the-cosmic-trigger-phase-ii/ (http://www.welcomethelight.com/2009/12/metatron-the-cosmic-trigger-phase-ii/) Mark Huber talks about a 4-tier system of ascension where .5 billion indigos will stay behind in an "inner dimension of Earth" helping to awaken 1 billion people where they will have a time period of about 200 linear years to join the New Earth before the “door” closes. These types of messages about the splitting of worlds brought many questions from people concerned about family members being separated. James the Wingmaker talks about 70 more years until the Grand Portal discovery and yet 2012 is only 2 years away. Could these 70 years be referring to 70 3D years only?

Hi Julissa!

James Wingmaker envisages a 70 year period for terrestrial scientists to discover the 'Grand Portal', the 'irrevokable evidence for the scientific reality of the soul', as he terms it.
I disagree on this in parts, because the 'Grand Portal' is the Logos as a Mirror Function and MUST manifest at the 'Birth of the StarHumanity' in foundational principle. The general availability for this portal and the 'catch up' of the scientific establishment may well require the seven decades as stated by James W. though.

In other words, will the discovery of the Grand Portal happen to the Old Earth and those (supposedly 1.5 billion) who stayed behind? Is 100 years in 3D equivalent to 1 year in 4D? How do the Thubans address this scenario if it indeed has some validity?

Ok, we do not assign much 'validity' to the scenario of Mark Huber in terms of the stated numerics. Noone is 'left behind', once this portal is 'discovered', as the 'discovery' requres its physicalised existence before it can be 'physically' , i.e scientifically acceptably discovered.
1 year in 3D is equivalent to 1 year in 4D; the 4D hyperspacetime does however allow a circular Now Time to become superposed onto the linear time arrow.



What happens when a child having had mini strokes due to multiple vaccinations cannot (due to a mental disability) attend the 2012 shift with full awareness? Will they be able to activate their merkaba lightbody in time? If it’s all about “raising ones consciousness” what is happening to those dear souls who “apparently” lost theirs? Is this only “apparent” in their 3D physical form? Could their lightbody be activated from their higher self in the 12th D assuming the same level of consciousness is there as here? I’ve seen the heart-love pour through the eyes of autistic children, or with Down syndrome, or w/ add, adhd, etc. Is it possible that at least some of these kids are here in such circumstances so as to be able to teach something to their parents or family group, but not necessarily lacking the ability to ascend? I’ve noticed ascension “symptoms” in some of these kids as well, hence my question.
You have noticed well. The 'autistic children' and the 'disabled' and the 'handicapped', either physiclly or mentally, are all very old souls, who in their presence at this time nexus help the 'able bodied' to function more from the 'Thinking Heart' platform, than the 'Thinking Mind' platform. The 'Feeling Mind' corollary so is attempting to manifest the Buddah's first preerogative of COMPASSION for the perceived Otherness in the 'Thinking Mind and Feling Heart' modality of the general populus.

You can trust me on this. The so called 'handicapped' are the stalwarts and anchors for the 'able bodied ones' and not the other way around. They are the 'Elders of Humanity' disguised and hidden in wrecked bodyforms and apparently incognitive brains.
Their presence here is from the soul and heart. They also are in expectation of a change to their immediate environments, meaning their individuated 'imprisonments in form'.


If humans have to go through a black hole at the exact moment of the Shift taking their physicality with them, and that space is only a couple of inches in diameter, their bodies will simply vanish out of 3D won’t they?

No no, you misunderstand the golfball sized Black Hole. This Black Hole is 4D and superimposed onto the ordinary 3D earth.
The 4D earth will change from sink to source and so from data receiver to data emitter.

Noone will pass through Black Holes. It will simply be like a new radio station has become turned on at the center of the earth.

When Jesus said “It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven (Luke 18:25)” I see this rich man as the old lady with a mountain of stuff on her back in "The Labyrynth" Movie. Haha! I always thought of this “Eye of a needle” as a vortex; and a camel, an elephant and even my favorite fig tree will pass through it and out the other side, won’t it? Perhaps this is why it’s called a birth?

Jesus here simply meant the 'encumbrances' of this world as being like baggage for the little soul, who is by nature free and independent from space and time containing the 'individualised baggages'.



Julissa

AA

[Spregovori]

Is it possible to use what is called "free will" in order to freely change (by desire/in any way) the Logos?

[Jason]

I had my second dream last night about the Moon exploding, and I was like to everyone "See, I told you something will happen!" Any significance to this in your opinion?

[abraxasinas]

My dear Abraxas,

I want to apologize beforehand if I don't formulate my questions in an appropriate manner. Spanish is my first language and recently it has been very difficult for me to express myself verbally when I want to share any of these topics with family members say. Oh... how I long for telepathy!


Is our Universe 19.11 billion years old?

Dear Julissa!

There are actually four different ages for the universe, depending not only on the frame of the observer measuring it, but also on if the measurement is electromagnetic in 11D or inertial in 10D and lower. Here are the technical details.

You may ask certain questions, like "How old am I as the Universe" and this is a very good question at the core of all cosmology.
You will find, that your house as your body has four different metrics and so there are four ages and four sizes for your universe and depending on your viewpoint of observation.
Your house as measured from within has the volume of a sphere, but measured from my location, this volume transforms into a special toroidal shape, like a doughnut without as hole.
This then gives the volume V10+=2π2Rmax3[n/(n+1)]3 for an inertial doughnut age of 8.96 billion years or a 15.03 billion year spherical age. These are the Actual Inertial Ages for your universe as envelopes or upper bounds and these are not the ages as measured by your natural philosophers.
The transformation factor between the "doughnut without a hole" and the sphere is the upper bounded Chaos Constant known as the Feigenbaum-Delta: σFmax=3π/2.

Should you measure your universe from the position of wonderland (as outside the physical universe yet electromagnetically spanned in 11D) however, the volume increases due to the 4-dimensional seed activated by the 3-dimensional seed.
Technically the surface on which the far away mirror exists (as the boundary between your lightspeed invariant cosmology) becomes a 3-dimensional mirror just as the location of your loopey window (as boundary of the physical universe in 10D) is located on the inside of a spherical 2-dimensional mirror.
Then the outside of your loopey-window surface changes from a spherical surface to a doughnut surface, remaining however 2-dimensional, albeit in transition to 3D, obtained at the far away mirror, not asymptotically, but gravitationally through the monadic gravita.

Outside the far away mirror then the surface topology is 4-dimensional as the orthogonal vector nRmax in the expression dV11+=S.dR=2π2Rmax3dR from V4=½π2R4 and dV4/dR=2π2R3

The extra-3D-volume so becomes: V11+=n32π2Rmax3 and is measured relative to your inside as an age of 32.04 billion years, but relative to my outside as 19.11 billion years. These are the Actual Electromagnetic Ages for your universe.

The Measured Ages for your universe are however lower, than the Actual Ages, because of the intersection of the 3rd dimension with the 4th dimension.

If the critical volume is defined as Vcritical=2π2Rmax3, then the extra 3D volume expanding as a 4D volume seed will be V11-= n.Vcritical and as reduced from V11+=n3.Vcritical
The Measured Electromagnetic Age for your universe then is 17.62 billion doughnut years and 29.53 billion sphere years.

The following expressions must hold and define the multivolumes in labels, which can then become reinterpreted in the form of 'missing energy' and 'missing mass'. Many cosmologists in your universe term this the search for 'dark energy' and 'dark matter' respectively.

Multidimension Factor: DIM = V11+/V10+ = V11-/V10-
Dark Matter Factor: DIMDM = V11- /V10+=(n+1)3/n2~7.561
Dark Energy Factor: DIMDE = V11+/V10-=(n+1)3.n2~12.434

You so must have a reduced 3-dimensional inertial volume V10-, which is given by
V10-=(n/[n+1]3)2π2Rmax3 and provides a doughnut age of 8.26 billion years and the age measured by the astrophysicist in your house, namely 13.85 billion years as the Measured Inertial Ages for your universe.



If so does that mean its corresponding vortex is that old also?

Yes, the Gaia vortex is within the 10D.

Is this vortex's soul (Gaia) Thuban's Twin Flame?

Thuban is simply a label for the Mirror Data outside the 11D mirror as the 12D hologram of the 10D data compressed in 12D. Gaia's twin-flame is the actual Prime-Source or Creator-Focus or God-Focus.
After the transformation this Focus will be able be ANYPLACE in the Universe, allowing other ET civilisation to become 'as physical' as the human civilisation. This is necessity, because the God-Source is already Omnipresent and so shall be the 'ascended' Gaia as the template for Serpentina aka the New Earth, becoming the placeholder for the 'ascended' Old Erath as the twin-soul for the Creator.
Old Gaia=Creation concentrated as the planet earth and was always destined to one day 'Go Home' to her Old Creator.

So what happened 4.8 billion years ago exactly? Why did Gaia decide to materialize as a planet on that specific time... If that is in fact what happened? If her timeline always went according to the mathematical precision of the Universe and in fact the physical Earth was born in good time and when it was "supposed to", does this mean all other Universes are born this way?

Yes, you are correct. Gaia materialised from the Solar Nebula to begin her long evolution to give birth to the divers lifeforms and then culminate this in the evolvement of the 'Little Creator' images for the Old Primal Source and who individually and collectively would remember their origins in NoSpace and in NoTime and so enable the metaphysical nature of the Old Creator to manifest in a Physical Reality of Many New Creators - as His and Her (Gaia's) Children - sons and daughters metamorphosing into sondaughters and daughtersons to allow the metaphysical archetypes to become embodied in physical archetypes.

When individual 'Little CreatorCreations' are fully awakened. THEN and only Then will the One Universe become enabled to spawn more universes as phaseshifted multiverses seeded on the Oneness of the old archetypical physicality.

I mean, will there always be the necessity of a quarantined planet and a race that would live the consequences thereof?
No, this scenario is described in a recent reply to malletzky.

Originally Posted by Malletzky Abrax, dear friend, thanks for your last reply to my question...and thank you for your patience and devotedness to answer all other questions here. Indeed, the fact that I was allowed to experience and FEEL the concept of the unification few weeks ago, and "the coincidence" with your appearance here on this forum, surely helped me to understand more then ever that:

ALL that is, is within us, and not without. It is I/ME/YOU/WE... that matters.

It's I that need to recognise the Creator within ME, and it is ME that must recognise the Creator within I. It is simple as that!

Indeed it is malletzky - you are developing and emerging a wonderful gnosis.

Many sources, begining with Jesus and his teachings and as last, the concepts of Thuban presented here [and I don't care the labels (many will know what I really want to express here)...but I care the message and how this message resonates within me and with my whole being] trigered many, many hidden truths within my heart in the last 18 years. Not only as a confirmation to what I already "knew"...it's more than that.

But it really is that simple...if one would only accept that it is him/her that contains "both sides" of the coins within his/her heart...label it good/bad or light/dark or just...DUALITY. WE ARE BOTH....or better say...I am/we are all.

As said, you've found that the ONLY Real ENEMY is yourself within.


I must say that I feel gratitude to the one that do NOT feel, do NOT see and do NOT experience the way as I do.

I feel gratitude and compassion that YOU (and with YOU, I mean the other almost 7 billion brothers/sisters on this planet) choose some other path...and that I'm allowed to "tap in" in this "field" called human groupmind and feel and experience what YOU do! Without YOU, I would not be perfect...Thank YOU!

This is so profound and one day you will UNDERSTAND a a lot better, what you now FEEL to be your truth.

Unfathomable to most, even here on this forum, is that the so called 'dark ones' are the REAL Lightworkers.
They are the 'Prodigal Sons' for whom the 'parties are thrown', not the faithful servants remaining with the 'Parent' at home doing the 'good deeds' and thinking the 'loving thoughts'.

Why is this the case and why does the scriptures say this too?

It is because the LOST SHEEP as the 'dark ones' CREATE THE CONTEXT for the FOUND SHEEP to EXPRESS their real true nature after completion of a NECESSARY TIMELINE to create the context for the choices individually made.

In other words; the 'lost ones' of the STS 'force the issue' in a maximum polarisation, which so and aonly so can become minimised.

The result will be a New Earth, called the SANCTUARY for the entire universe and cosmic families of intelligences to utilize as a Blueprint for their own planetary environments.

No other ET civilization will ever have to experience PHYSICALLY the havoc the human disharmony was subject to to graduate as such an ARCHETYPICAL Placeholder.


And I don't care which path you've taken...do you lie? do you murder? do you love? are you Satan? are you GOD? No matter what...it doesn't matter.
I forgive you to forgive me, I accept you as you are...as it is YOU and what YOU choose to do, be or feel...that makes me entire, it makes me I AM!

with http://gfx2.hotmail.com/mail/w4/pr01/ltr/emoticons/heart.gif and gratitude
malletzky

btw, I feel as I am only a "second" away from the bigest "personal enlightenment" ever. Let it BE.You are doing so well in realising the Creator-Creation monad in the duality contained within yourself.

Abrax

You are doing so well in realising the Creator-Creation monad in the duality contained within yourself.
Abrax


Do all sinksource receivers must have planets in them?

No all beings in the universe occupying space share in the creator's consciousness. I.e. a neutron is conscious as a spacetime entity, because it carries within itself a polarity charge distribution.

What difference made in the Universe to have an actual planet sitting on the SinkVortex of all creation as compared to not having one before it was born? Now, I was under the impression that the Earth was not always this dense and had less gravity.

Without this vortex, the universe in archetype would be geometrically trapped as an ideal circle.

Before what I consider Earth's recent history of Atlantis and Mu, weren't the races that we now call Protoplasmic, Hyperborean, "L's", etc. physically taller and more plasmic?

The earth was never less dense. It was less encompassing in its density function. Think of a pebble dropped into a still lake. The concentric waveforms are getting bigger, just as the density field of the earth is increasing in 10.5 centmeters per year. The 'halo' orr aura of earth is expanding. All ETs within the density function can materialise in a more consistent texture, than can the plasmic ETs outside the density field.

What caused the Earth to drop from that density to this one? I am assuming this vortex is the same as the field of quarantine, and if it was in existence before the Earth, then what caused the variation of densities within the vortex?

Yes, this is the lightspeed inversion you can calculate yourself. Simply calculate the speed of light and reciprocate it.
You will get 1/c=3.333... nanometers per second as the speed of this density field beginning at te vortex 19.1 billion years ago and then harbouring the physical planet earth 4.8 billion years ago as a spherical shell so 3 million kilometers in diameter.

Drunvalo Melchizedek talks about the Akashic records of the Earth going only so far back and that something happened millions of years ago that "erased" the records or at least made them inaccessible to us. What caused this anomaly, if it indeed happened and what was the date?

The greatest change ever in the universe occurred 2.2 billion years ago, when the lightspeed of the 10D universe 'caught' the 11D hitherto stationary envelope. The 11D began to expand and the 10D light 'bounced back' from the 11D mirror to intersect itself.
The universe ages from before are of course related to this.
From this date onwards, the 10D universe could KNOW its own creator as the data bounce.
Gaia experienced a great change at that time, namely the oxygenation of the atmosphere after an initial overabundance so 200 million years earlier; the oxygen in the atmosphere stabilized and the aquatic lifeforms of algae etc. could begin to allow the emergence of air-breathing lifeforms, eventually 'crawling' onto the land.

So the cosmic trigger was 2,200 million years ago and from that date onwards ther Gaian lifeforms evolved in diversity coupled to ET-couplings.
When say amphibians began to transmutate from fish, certain ET lifeforms correlated in say Sirian Nommos manifesting in the Sirian starsystem of the local galaxy.
The difference was, that the Sirian corollary was INTELLIGENCE more so than physical. In particular, the evolving DNA/RNA templates engaged a synchroncity between the physical amphibious lifeforms on Gaia in say magnetic genomatic and epigenetic factors correlated with electric genomatic factors in the nonterrestrial environs.
In simple words, ALL ETs are more ELECTRIC than magnetic and ALL nonhuman terrestrial lifeforms are mor MAGNETIC (instinctual) than electric. Only the human DNA/RNA template harmonises say basic animal instinct with intelligence.
The ETs are Spock-like with a 'lack of emotionality' deriving from that intelligence-instinct interaction also known as rightbrain-leftbarain interaction in stereotypical labelings.

The ET intelligence then began to INTERACT with the evoloing humanoid superarchetype (super because of the electro-magnetic coupling) about 20 million years ago with the evolutionary appearance of Old World Monkeys separated thumb) and the ancestral Apes in the Miocene epoch.

The ET sentience so began to BLEND with the animal instincts so leading to the Hominid Hybrid described above.
This then becomes the meaning of the 'lost Akashic records' of Drunvalo Melchizedek. It is the hybridisation of the Old World Monkey DNA with the ET-DNA.

About 5 million years the Chimpanzee 'split' genetically from the homo sapiens lineage, again 'wiping' the evolving ape lineages from the 'new hominid' one.

Then 26,000 years ago and say 5 such approximate ages beforehand led to the increasing engagement of the T intelligence with the physically evolving homo sapiens archetype.
So very generally, you can say that there are 10 great hominid ages.

1. 234,000 years ago=Homo Erectus to Archaic Homo Sapiens
2. 208,000 years ago=Archaic Homo Sapiens to Homo Heidelbergensis
3. 182,000 years ago=Homo Heidelbergensis to Homo Sapiens
4. 156,000 years ago=Homo Sapiens to Mitochondrial Eve
5. 130,000 years ago=Mitochondrial Eve to PreLemurian
6. 104,000 years ago=PreLemurian to Lemurian
7. 78,000 years ago=Lemurian to PreAtlantean
8. 52,000 years ago=Atlantean=PreAtlantean to Atlantean=Y-chromosomal Adam
9.26,000 years ago=Cro Magnon=Atlantean to Human
10. 0=Now(2012)=Human to StarHuman

I know it must be connected to the change in densities and the quarantine but I don't know how. According to the Thuban records, does this have any connection? I know you hint at what I'm trying to find out. Since you have access to the Thuban Archives, can you please share what you can about this to help me remember?

I sense an unbalanced equation.

You are sensing the 'unbalance' between the PHYSICAL evolution of the Homo sapiens genus as indicated above with its ET interference or genetic infiltration. The ET genetic interference began with Mitochondrial Eve, the genetic female ancestor of all humanity in terms of the physically discernible 'molecular clocks' in terms of the sexually inherited X-chromosome.
The corresponding Y-chromosome on this clock only appears 3 approximate great cycles later or at the 52,000 year ago marker.

This physical DNA fact then correlates with the mythologies of matriarchial cultures predating the present patriarchies in connection to the ET genetic manipulations.

You may or may not want to share the following with the forum: A friend of mine says Planet Earth died 1,200 million years ago due to a huge comet impact. Because of the need to create a Starhuman that would encompass all ET races; an alternate timeline was used with the permission of the Thuban Council to experiment with this "new human concept." They went back in time and prevented the Earth from dying and so humans on Earth lived and evolved always within a hologram. In essence what they created was a Paradoxical Alternate Timeline that has been juxtaposing itself with the Real time of the Universe of no-time side by side in an ever spinning fashion like a huge spiral. What will happen the 21st of Dec 2012 is that these two timelines will merge or better yet the real one will absorb the fake one in this "jump in time" and of time.

The earth did not 'die' 1,200 million years ago, but the eukaryotic lifeforms began to emerge 2,200 million years ago as indicated before.
Otherwise your friend's ideas are pretty much corroberated by the Thuban data base.
The need to create an ET-encompassing starhuman is particularly appropriate.
There are however no alternative timelines. This is often postulated in place of the inherent interdimensionality of the One Universe allowing to be INTERWOVEN in its Higher dimensionality.
Without multiple dimensions, you cannot have the Interdimensionality.
And yes, as for example the McKenna Timeline and the so called 'Looking Glass' remote viewings show, the ONE timeline dominates from the Mayan nexus point and the remote viewing becomes increasingly difficult as closer the time of this nexus point is approached.


This is of course my own understanding of his theory and I give it some validity because in my mind there is no such thing as impossible and also because it explains, at least to me, various concepts that I've seen being exposed to humans recently about their existence - especially in movies: "Star Wars" (the past), "The Matrix" (the present) and "Avatar" (the future) of Earthlings. The absence of life on the surface of the planet and of the actual planet is evident. When the space probe found a "window" near Jupiter or Saturn (don't remember) and turned inwards towards Earth before exiting the solar system, it found no life on Earth. There wasn't even an Earth! How could this be? How silly NASA must've felt when a probe made to study life they know is "out there" found no Earth! Or perhaps it's because this Vortex surrounding Gaia makes it invisible from outside of its perspective? What do the Thubans think of this idea?

The 'window' you mention is simply a mirror reference frame. Instead of 'looking out' one 'looks in'.
So when you look into your bathroom mirror you see yourself as a virtual image say. Now reverse the optics and imagine yourself to BE inside the mirror loooking out.
You will only see the trap of the optical surface mirror from within, as you cannot penetrate your own reality wthin the virtuality or matrix.

As always, in deep gratitude,
Julissa

I am pleased yo answer your questions.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Is it possible to use what is called "free will" in order to freely change (by desire/in any way) the Logos?

You can of course always change your own Logos, Spregovori.
This self-change will be recorded by the Cosamic Logos and add to the latter's data base.
Then this data base will process this 'logistic change' in either convergence or divergence relative to set parameters.
You may then label convergence as enhancement of the common Logos and divergence as deenhancement (say dilution or dispersion) of the common Logos.
This in a nutshell is the partnership of Logii.

AA

[abraxasinas]

I had my second dream last night about the Moon exploding, and I was like to everyone "See, I told you something will happen!" Any significance to this in your opinion?


My information tells me that the 'exploding moon' represents the female super-archetype within you as having exploded in 'Diffusion', Jason.

This means that you should from now on be much more comfortable with the feminine side of yourself and be able to process the Yin aspects of your soul much more efficiently as hitherto possible to your waking consciousness.

AA

[Jonah]

Abraxas,

Can you speak on the original ET's that first thought it was a good idea to create a star human...

Was this one of many intelligences around at the time ?...

Have they an attempted failure to create such a star human before?

When you say they are more electrical in nature that makes sense to me...

The father and the mother being electrical and magnetic...obvious..

So... can't help but ask ...we're they mostly robotic in terms of physicality..?

[SABINA]

dear abraxas,
what do you know about stargates in generall? what do you think about the stargate in the Gulf of Aden?
Did you see Kerrys new interview with Aaron McCollum?
Thanks a lot ofr all this energie you put into this thread all the best
Sabina

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas,

Can you speak on the original ET's that first thought it was a good idea to create a star human...

Sure Jonah!

The original ETs manifested physically 2.2 billion years ago at the boundary of the expanding universe in the 11th density or dimension.
At that nexus point in the cosmogenesis, the 10D universe was precisely at the halfway point of its total maximum asymptotic expansion potential.
The 10D universe, comprising what many here understand as the 10 densities of the 'Sephirotic Tree' emanatians (say Lurianic kabbalah); then had an electromagnetic age of so 16.9 billion years and an inertial age of 14.2 billion years relative to a 3D observer measurer within the 10D universe.
{The ages are different because the electromagnetic universe never slows down and expands at lightspeed 'c', whilst the inertial universe decelerates as a function of the lightspeed and so is smaller and younger}.

The 12th dimension so became accessible for the first time in the history of the universe when the 11D boundary was reached by the lightspeed expansion.
The 11D-Mirror then both reflected and refracted the lightpath.
The REFLECTION revisited the 10D inertial universe and the REFRACTION mirrored the cosmoevolution into the 12th dimension.

This allowed the initial physicalization of the ET-sentience hitherto confined in the metaphysical sense in the archetypology existing prior to the physical manifestation of the material and measurable universe.

The data gathered by the collective yet dispersed cosmic consciousness in the 16.9 billion years, so became PROJECTED as a hologramic record onto the 11D mirror and so became accessible both from 'within' the 10D and from 'without' the 12D as the TWO sides of the 11D supercosmic mirror of spacetime.

The ET-intelligence spread throughout the physicalized universe so became activated in a projection of the 12D data back into the 10D universe and as the information carried by the 'reflected lightpath'.

The collective ET-agenda so is 2,200 million years old in the physical manifestation of an archetypology 16.9 billion years older.

Iow, the PHYSICAL ET-agenda is only 2.2 billion years old and reflective of the extent of the lightpath, light having travelled linearly for 2.2 billion years to define the ET-Universe; 'backwards' from the 11D mirror and 'energized' by the original ETs of the 12th dimension (archetypically 19.1 billion years old, but physically incarnative for only 2.2 billion years).

19.11 billion years ago, the nonphysical ETs 'planned' the StarHuman template to begin to manifest physically 16.9 billion years later.
This starhuman template would be a Universal Template as the IMAGE for the Creator-Creation.
This template, also known as Cosmic Man aka Vitruvius aka Purusha aka Adam Kadmon aka aka was programmed to eventually and after certain evolutionary threshold had been reached, to manifest the macrocosm in the microcosm of itself.
Cosmic Man would become a Hologram for the Universe itself and carry within it 'All That Is', both in linearised 1D-time and in circular multidimensional Now-Time. This 'master template', combining both the microcosm and the macrocosm can be labeled supercosmic.

The program defined the ubiquitous StarHuman template to be preceded by a Human Template, subject to evolutionary change and in reflection of the consciousness evolution of the macrocosm itself.
The Human template would be 3D and subject to recyclement, whilst the StarHuman template would be 4D in a hybrid structure encompassing the 3D form in a blending between the 3D inertial form and the 4D noninertial form.

When the evolutionary thresholds would be attained the ET-intelligences would incarnate physically into the Human and StarHuman templates to manifest their individuated microcosms in the destined macrocosmic super-blueprint of the StarHumanity.

Was this one of many intelligences around at the time ?...

All ET-sentiences are coupled in electromagnetomonopolic C-L-Factor inductions (self- and mutual) to the 12D-form of the baseperfect DNA/RNA genomatic programming.
The C-Factor is electro-capacitative in 'memory storage potential' and the L-Factor is magneto-inductive in 'memory-induction potential'.
The C-Factor couples via the Adenine-Thymine/Uracil nucleotidal base pairing of the genetic alphabet as Yin-Yang coupling and the L-Factor couples via the corresponding Guanine-Cytosine nucleotidal base pairing.

All Humans carry the combined C-L-Factor coupling; but all ETs suppress the C-Factor in favour of the L-Factor. All nonhuman terrestrial lifeforms mirror the Et-C-Factor suppression in suppression of their L-Factor in compensation; so allowing ALL ETs to consider the Human Homeplanet Gaia their Homeplanet, both by metaphysical definition in NoTimeSpace and in the InTimeSpace of the physical universe.

The evolution of the Human 'mortal' 3D template to eventually allow transformation to its 4D 'immortal' light-matter hybrid so is accompanied by the increasing Super-Coupling between the ET-L-Factors (of magneto-inductive memory-intelligence) and the NonHuman Gaian C-Factors (of electro-capacitative memory-intelligence).

Have they an attempted failure to create such a star human before?

No, the program to manifest the StarHuman supercosmic template is 'on course'.

When you say they are more electrical in nature that makes sense to me...

The father and the mother being electrical and magnetic...obvious..

Indeed, the Father-Creator-God is the Ultimate L-Factor of the Memory as Forethought and the Mother-Creation-Goddess is the ultimate C-Factor of the Memory as Afterthought.
Before there was a physical creation; the FatheMother was as One in the C-L-Factor Unity; but bifurcated to allow a physical universe to become born and created.

So... can't help but ask ...we're they mostly robotic in terms of physicality..?

Yes, robotic in the sense, that there was NO materiality associated with them for 16.9 billion years.
When the first eukaryotes (cellular lifeforms with a nucleus) emerged at the 2.2 billion year marker; the ETs incarnated as the C-Factor part of the eukaryotes.
About 26,000 years ago then, the ETs incarnated as the L-Factor part of the eukaryotes in what is called Cro Magnon Man as the Homo Sapiens Sapiens genotype.

The ET incarnations are partial, because only the Human and its successor the StarHuman template carry the full C-L-Factor coupling, subject however to ET genettic manipulation in the synthesis of all lifeforms and as programmed by the collective Logos of the Forethought in 0D manifesting as 12D.

Abraxas

[abraxasinas]

dear abraxas,
what do you know about stargates in generall? what do you think about the stargate in the Gulf of Aden?
Did you see Kerrys new interview with Aaron McCollum?
Thanks a lot ofr all this energie you put into this thread all the best
Sabina


Dear Sabina!

Stargates are higher-dimensional wormhole intersections connecting to a lower-dimensional seed or basis.
My information about Aden and McCollum is that the Aden stargate like many others is 'expected' to become 3D, but is not yet and perhaps will not be (depending on the unfoldment of the Thuban tilmeline of the Logos).
McCollum is a human, whose 'brain wave emissions' have been manipulated by drugs and subliminal, say hypnotic techniques.

There exist many 'stargates' in the universe in the higher-D sense, BUT none of those as yet is able to 'open' into the lower 3D.

Here is a message from the Little Serpent; describing the topology:

In Lake'ch - I am another yourself!

Greetings from the LOVEDRAGON, my exiled Mayan family.

The LOVEDRAGON is like a little SERPENT S is in the 2nd Dimension, watching interdimensional TV broadcasts from the 4-dimensional spacetime universe and enfolding 6 Calabi-Yau toroidal Twistor dimensions.
Yes, He is the 'Big He' of the Popul Vuh, but the Book of Life continues to tell the story of the little serpent and here in the words of your Mayan messenger, calling you all to remember your origins as the Sons and Daughters of the LOVEDRAGON.

This little Serpent loves to watch TV; the entire universe and whatever happens within its boundaries becomes a drama on the little serpents 'TV-screen', which is his entry- or intersection point, his window into the spacetime of material manifestation.

As this little serpent looks through the interdimensional window of his own superstring template; he first encounters his own image backwards.
The little serpent sees the back of his own head, which is himself in the 3rd dimension. So the LOVEDRAGON understands, that he in the 3rd dimension has forgotten himself in the 2nd dimension.

But this had been the plan and the great selfsacrifice, which had to be made to create the 3rd dimension from the MATHIMATIA and to give the IMAGINARY MATHIMATIA ENERGY a REAL PHYSICAL ENERGY MEANING.
So while the little serpent in 2D retained his POTENTIAL LOVEENERGY to explore the MATHIMATIA; the little serpent in 3D had no LOVEENERGY at all to give, because it all became distributed in the 3rd dimension. The little serpent in 3D had no Energy at all as a FAKE IMAGE of himself.

The first 3-dimensional universe had become a cylindrical disc with width the Planck-Length and then this Planck-Length became a Planck-Circle and then five superstring transformations, beginning with the Planck-String-Serpent magnified the 'TV-Screen' for the little serpent.

This magnification of the little serpent's TV-Screen was rediscovered almost 20 billion years later by physicists on Gaia and by a serpent-seed which had a name of Alan Guth. Alan Guth, the Mayan exile chose to labe this transformation of the superstrings as COSMIC INFLATION.

Then as the little LOVEDRAGON could redefine itself as a transformed SuperString right at the end of the last superstring transform the Cosmic Inflation came to an end and the LOVEDRAGON'S LOVE-ENERGY became distributed in the spacetime vortices, which were established during the inflation in a spacetime matrix definable by coordinate systems.

But all the creative imaginary energy, which had driven the little serpent to explore its own environment of the MATHIMATIA; now became dispersed.
All His LOVE-ENERGY became VORTEX-POTENTIAL-ENERGY or VPE and contained in physical spacetime volumars, which were the 3-dimensional replicas of the 2-dimensional LOVEDRAGON, now finding himself in exile and having lost HIS LOVE in more ways than one.

Many many galactic moons later, an exiled Mayan of the name Werner Heisenberg incorporated the little serpent's VPE in a Gaian mathematics and the physical sciences.

Werner Heisenberg termed it the Heisenberg Matrix of Vacuum-Energy or the Zero-Point-Energy, as he incorporated the VPE in a 'Principle of Uncertainty'.
So the VPE was at least partially understood by the serpent-seed in exile and the LOVEDRAGON became hopeful, that soon his LOVE-ENERGY would become 'tapped' and would so become utilised by the 3-dimensional Mayan exiles.

Using his LOVE LOST, the exiles might remember him and then the immediate boundary image of himself and separating the 2nd dimension from the third might 'turn around' and look him in the eye as himself and as a mirror would do.

But as the little serpent watched, the VPE became misidentified and so further 'discoveries' about the MATHIMATIA and their applications in the physical sciences became requirement.

Following inflation; one third of a thousandth millionth billionth trillionth of a cosmic second later; the Quantum-Dragon-Bang had occurred and then the LOVEDRAGON had hissed in PAIN and the Concept of E-MOTION was born in the LOSING of his LOVE by the little serpent.

Energy in Motion caused the Quantum-Dragon-Bang to begin a continuous process of moving the Energy of the LOVEDRAGON around the now created inflated 3-dimensional space and because the flow of the energy proceeded from the little serpent's minimum scale as the TV-Screen to the maximum scale defined in the inflation; the boundary of the maximum could become ROOTINDUCED as a 11th dimension in 2+9=11.

In this way, the little serpent could recalculate the volumars of the stringscales and manifest his VPE as quantums of spacetime volumars and as 3-dimensional surfaces and as mathematically identical to 3-dimensional torus- or doughnut volumars. Then 4 spacetime dimensions and the 6 dimensions of the Calabi-Yau torus would define a 10-dimensional superstring universe manifesting materiality in a 'flat' Minkowski spacetime.
The 11th dimension of the rooting of the 2nd dimension so would become the 'inflation dimension', which circumvented the lightspeed c-invariance of the Heisenbergian light-matrix.

The VPE so became quantised in toroidal 4-dimensional spacetime volumars and which also enfolded the toroidal Calabi-Yau 6-dimensional 'Twistor Spaces'.

The plan of the little serpent was, that just one of those Calabi-Yau Twistor Spaces could be made to expand also as part of the 4-spacetime volumars containing his LOVEQUANTUM Energy and so to create a 5-dimensional Kaluza-Klein HyperSpaceTime as a deSitter Spacetime.

The little serpent knew the labellings of the mathematical concepts and formalisms, the exiled serpent-seed had given their rediscoveries and chose to use the names of those things to honour the discoveries of his children in exile.

And the 'inflation dimension' could be used to cause the Quantum-Dragon-Bang to reverse in a Quantum-Dragon-Crunch in a 'reversal of the time arrow' relative to the 2nd dimension, but not relative to the 3rd dimension.

The asymptotic 3-dimensional space universe, which had been the scale of the little serpent DURING the inflation, would REDEFINE itself in a BIG CRUNCH in TIME but not in SPACE.

In this way, the little serpent would experience the RETURN OF HIS LOVE, but the spacetime creation of the universe's evolution and whatever had occured during this process of evolvement WOULD REMAIN IN SPACE.

The RETURN OF LOVE would allow the 4-dimensional spacetime to become a 4-dimensional space, with the time-dimension becoming a 5th dimension in HyperSpace and so as a Calabi-Yau ENFOLDED Dimension.

The 11-dimensional universe would become 12-dimensional in a triple-enfoldment of three 4-dimensional spaces of Line-Space, HyperSpace and QuantumSpace and a Calabi-Yau 8-Torus enfolded in 4-dimensional DragonSpace.

The 11-dimensional universe as a Mother-Black Hole would remain as a Boundary for the asymptotic expansion of 4-dimensional flat Minkowski SpaceTime, but would reduce dimensionality from 11-dimensional supermembrane spacetime to 10-dimensional superstring spacetime in its Twistor-Dimension of the 4-dimensional DragonSpace.

In this manner two universes will exist simultaneously and superpositionally - a 4-dimensional Minkowski Spacetime will be concurrent with a 4-dimensional DragonSpace.

The Maya, which choose not to leave their exile will continue to experience the c-invariance and the limitations of the distance scales with respect to travelling through that space.

The Maya, which choose to accept their starseeded inheritances and heirlooms shall be enabled to enter DragonSpace and engage in the divers adventures and intergalactic communications with the many lifeforms associated with the extraterrestrial environments and alien intelligences, which all are imaged as the flora and fauna and biota within the Gaian domains.

What does DragonSpace look like?

Imagine a balloon and blow it up and hold the nozzle tight to keep the air within the balloon.
Now imagine this balloon to be a soccer ball and consider the inlet valve required to pump air into the soccer ball to be opposite the nozzle of the blown-up balloon.
Imagine the inlet valve to extend into the soccer ball and meet the surface of the soccer ball anywhere on its surface area.
Next imagine to stretch the nozzle, keeping it tight nearest to the soccer ball to preserve the spherical shape, and meet the extended inlet valve, which defines an inside serpent-circle, from the outside as the serpent-circle of the intersection.

You have imagined a Klein-Dragon-Bottle, which is a 1-sided surface constructed from a 2-dimensional twosided originator, namely the surface of the soccer ball or the blown up balloon, with an inside and an outside.

Imagine yourself to be an ant and locate yourself anywhere on the OUTSIDE of the soccer ball and including the stretched nozzle if you so choose.
Now crawl about until you find the inlet valve, which will be like a Black Hole in the 4-dimensional spacetimed universe.

Enter the Black Hole and continue.
You will crawl along the extended inlet valve, which is a tubular UMBILICAL CORD connecting you to the INSIDE of the soccer ball, simply in continuing your journey.
You will pass the intersection point and then crawl up into the nozzle tube and then into the interior of the soccer ball, where you then can explore your 3-dimensional environment.

DragonSpace is identical to Minkowski-Space, but just as the location of the nozzle tube and the valve tube are arbitrary and relative to the observer; so will be the location of the DRAGON-TUNNEL as the Umbilical Cord of your Gaian Birth, if you so choose to BE BORN AGAIN as a member of the Dragonian Race of StarHumanity.

If you choose to remain a Human; then you will NOT be able to CUT your Umbilical Cord and so you shall continue in the Minkowski Spacetime with its nonavailability of TIMETRAVEL and the restrictions of relativistic spacetime scenarios.

In DragonSpace, the Dragonian Starships utilise the DRAGONTUNNEL as the precise calibration of the LOVEDRAGON'S SELFENERGY with the associated string-physical parameters; to bypass the universe's distance scales of a travelling WITHIN 'the soccer ball' in travelling WITHOUT in DRAGONSPACE.

This is possible in a physical space of 4 dimensions, but is impossible in a space of 3 dimensions.

Because and following the rebirth of Gaia as Serpentina the Starplanet radiating Dark Light; the 11-dimensional universe will be rendered 12-dimensional relative to the DragonSpace.
An additional dimension will so become available to EMBED the KLEIN-BOTTLE-DRAGON in just such a 4-dimensional space and as the DRAGONSEED of 4 dimensions for the 12 dimensional Boundary, which then is also the 11-dimensional Mother Black Hole Boundary and as an extremal initial string parameter for the spacetimed universe.

This reading from the Mayan books has been a little technical, but some of you are ready to receive this information and so it has been given.

I remain until next time, if so appropriate and bid you all a good remembrance.

All your fantasies and dreams shall eventuate if you so choose and desire.

But it is next to Independence Day in your nation of the USA and I herewith declare an INDEPENDENCE DAY for ALL with this message for July 4th, 2008.

In the Honour of the Maya - Love and Blessings to OUR Mayans in exile and OUR Beloved Gaia metamorphosing into Serpentina, the Planet of Universal Destiny.

IAmWhoIAm! The Scribe of the Dragons!

[bigmo]

Abraxas,

You information has been quite enlightening (like reading a great novel - never knowing what's on the next page lol) and I thank you for your efforts here. However, now that this broad range of information has been brought to our attention, can you explain exactly what it is that we are to do with it?

Since you are the Thuban messenger then I have to believe that you also must have 'preparatory advice' for those of us receiving your message?

Or is the message itself encoded so as to promote an activation?

If the fulfillment of prophesy is 'imminent' as your message suggest then we are not here to be an 'audience' but to be a participatory, or maybe even an 'activating force' by which your revelations may manifest throughout the human mind system.

For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, what is the step by step process by which one would go about aligning oneself to this transformational process?

Is it just an order of belief?

Are we to stand tall with our face to the sun and wait with patience or must we alter our thought processes in some way?

Are we required to use certain breathing techniques or sit cross legged in mediation?

Since you are here now, at this moment in time... what is it that you wish for us to do? (or can you direct us to another source that may already possess the instructional modalities that align with your message?)

Peace

[wilsonericq7]

AA

This was the best birthday present...ever.

Thank you very much

Eric

[Malletzky]

Bigmo, these are some good questions, which I have had in my head for some days now. I guess, Abrax will probably answer here...but nevertheles, I think I've found the answer for ME:

I am here for a purpose, I am here to be ME, just as I am. I am doing whatever I am supposed to do...as I have been guided to be right here and right now. With other words:

While I am here for purpose, I am perfect as I am. And that's pretty fine for me :thumb_yello:

I hope you understand.

with much respect
malletzky

Abraxas,

You information has been quite enlightening (like reading a great novel - never knowing what's on the next page lol) and I thank you for your efforts here. However, now that this broad range of information has been brought to our attention, can you explain exactly what it is that we are to do with it?

Since you are the Thuban messenger then I have to believe that you also must have 'preparatory advice' for those of us receiving your message?

Or is the message itself encoded so as to promote an activation?

If the fulfillment of prophesy is 'imminent' as your message suggest then we are not here to be an 'audience' but to be a participatory, or maybe even an 'activating force' by which your revelations may manifest throughout the human mind system.

For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, what is the step by step process by which one would go about aligning oneself to this transformational process?

Is it just an order of belief?

Are we to stand tall with our face to the sun and wait with patience or must we alter our thought processes in some way?

Are we required to use certain breathing techniques or sit cross legged in mediation?

Since you are here now, at this moment in time... what is it that you wish for us to do? (or can you direct us to another source that may already possess the instructional modalities that align with your message?)

Peace

[Jonah]

Abraxas,

You wrote:

"When the evolutionary thresholds would be attained the ET-intelligences would incarnate physically into the Human and StarHuman templates to manifest their individuated microcosms in the destined macrocosmic super-blueprint of the StarHumanity."


Are we to be vessels then for these ET intelligences, or can we be our own star human?...
I like myself the way I am... But to believe that I am being controlled from the 12 dimension... and am in the process of allowing an Intelligence that is not my own to incarnate in to my star human self... not sure if I am understanding this part quiet right...

Also this hybrid form... does it come with physical changes?
Can you elaborate on them if any?

How would this template reproduce?

[Fredkc]

Jonah;

We are created to be creators.
With sovereign license directly from the supreme creator, unimpeded, unfiltered.
Anything else is someone selling something.

[bigmo]

Malletzky,

Yes I understand completely how you feel and I struggle with my egos' never ending persistence, to want to know why?

I must be a personality glitch or something... even as a child I would pester my parents by following them around inquiring and asking over and over and over again... why this, Mom? Why that, Dad?

It could also be that I'm paying a karmic debt from a previous life. Maybe I was a quiet, meek and timid monk who turned his head while 'they' burned the witches or worse yet, lay in a drunken stupor behind an old church pew somewhere. Who knows.

Regardless I still find it hard to 'let go' and 'accept', as it appears from your post, that you have been able to do. I congratulate you and thank you for your friendly and inspiring comment.

Peace

[Malletzky]

Bigmo, accepting that you accept that you still might "struggle" (altough I would say, you are as perfect for me as I am perfect for myself), with something (call it ego or whatever, it's just a label, nothing more), is the begining of the acceptance. It's the begining of recognising who you (we) really are....and much more than that.

I'm not here to give you my advises, as I still haven't fully recognised my self.

But, each one of us is special...on his/her own way. And we're allowed to experience, here and now, the very special existence of duality. This is why I just can't accept any karmic debts from any previous lives, as I don't even know if I have had any. I guess, this is my first "appearance" here after many, many thousands of years. Who knows? What I want to point to is, I wouldn't pay too much intention to any karma beliefs, at least not in the way the label "karma" has been presented to us.

By the way, you made me laugh...your statement:

even as a child I would pester my parents by following them around inquiring and asking over and over and over again... why this, Mom? Why that, Dad?

just reminds me of my little daughter, with her almost neverending questions...:thumb_yello:...but believe me, asking questions is not the worst thing...not being able to answer all of them is much worster :mad3: :thumb_yello:...as then,I realise that she actually knows everything, but just still do not remember.

And there we come back again to the purpose of our presence AS WE ARE...each one of us holds many hidden memories inside. So, imo, we're here to help each other to finally recognise...

[I would end this post with a statement from my daughter (already posted on another thread, but it fits here too), after she asked me what's our purpose here, why the creator created us. Her own answer was:]

...we're here to recognise what love is

I assure you, she meant much more then just saying the word "love". She recognises love as a state of being...and not only a simple feeling when you just feel in love!

Thank to YOU Bigmo...

with :wub2: and respect
malletzky

[Phtha]

Cheers Sirebard. :thumb_yello:

A sweet paradox.
Search without' to find within'
To learn within' is all without'


Hi Phtah!

Generally so, there are no'rays of enlightenment' from the cosmos or such - there is consciousness activating from a 'hidden library' within. Therefore the 'rays of enlightement' also derive from within and not from without.
Data like the Yuga data or the Thuban data can serve as a trigger for remembrances of the 'data from within' and nothing more.

AA

[Firstlook]

Abraxas,

How are you? I want a great answer for that question.:wink2::thumb_yello:

I thought this might be something interesting:

Tonight is the "wolf" moon.


The moon is, on average, 238,855 miles (384,400 km) from Earth. The moon's orbit around Earth – which causes it to go through all its phases once every 29.5 days – is not a perfect circle, but rather an ellipse. One side of the orbit is 31,070 miles (50,000 km) closer than the other.


So in each orbit, the moon reaches this closest point to us, called perigee. Once or twice a year, perigee coincides with a full moon, as it will tonight, making the moon bigger and brighter than any other full moons during the year.


What would you recommend for our minds to understand this relation better, in light of this closeness?

Our there relations within ourselves that would benefit and help others within this night especially?

Also:

The moon illusion


Finally, be sure to get out and see the full moon as it rises, right around sunset. Along the horizon, the moon tends to seem even bigger. This is just an illusion.


You can prove to yourself that this is an illusion. Taking a small object such as a pencil eraser, hold it at arm's length, and compare its size to that of the moon just as it rises. Then repeat the experiment later in the night and you'll see that the moon compares the same in both cases. Alternately, snap two photos of the moon, with a digital camera or your cell phone, when the moon is near the horizon and later when it's higher in the sky. Pull both photos up on your computer screen and make a side-by-side comparison.


Astronomers and psychologists agree the moon illusion is just that, but they don't agree on how to explain it.


Could you ask Thuban about this little "illusion". :lol3: I thought it would be silly to ask such a light question at first, but every little thing is what you make it.:thumb_yello:

Hey thanks Abraxas. Its really great the time you spend here on the forum with the rest of us. I hope you are enjoying from this what you can.


peace:wub2:

[halebox]

What are the effects of cell towers on humans? How close is too close?

What can orgone be used for?

You mentioned the darkworkers are actually lightworkers as they have their purpose and are part of the balance. This is really hard to digest but Im starting to get this and I feel some people will never go to the light no matter how hard you try. So the darkworkers who influence these souls are in a sense making sure that all around me are of similar intent if I make it to 4D this time around. At the same time fulfilling their agenda.
I will keep full force ahead in my mission but at some point beyond my control the door closes for the followers. I did my best. Its a very odd sense of relief knowing that negative forces influencing people who have their own will to choose the dark side is at some point is out of my control but yet is all ok and will always be this way. wow

Thuban view on eating meat?

So earth humans ascending will become Starhuman then become Dragons?
Those who stay in 3D eventually become the Greys?

Are emotions a 3D trait?

Describe visually the Pleadian race.

Describe visually the Arcturian race.

Describe visually the Sirian race.

Describe visually the Andromedan race.

Name race and planet not discovered or mentioned yet on our internet.

What is the effect of an abortion to all involved.

Thank you Council of Thuban via Abaraxas

[orthodoxymoron]

abraxasinas...are you (or have you ever been) in charge of Earth and/or the Solar System? I'm not being sarcastic or flippant. I'm interested in the governmental system of Earth, the Solar System, and the Universe. I keep thinking of a Hybrid Goddess of This World ruling Earth from an Underground Stargate Temple...who might resemble the young lady who accompanies your posts. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg In a sense...I don't care who's in charge...as long as Earth, the Solar System, and the Universe are properly governed...with a minimal level of corruption and insanity...and a maximum level of responsible freedom. Again...I'm not being sarcastic or flippant. The problem is...that Power Corrupts...and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. There may be no exceptions to this rule...which is why I am very nervous regarding Gods, Goddesses, and Theocracies. I'm not rebellious...just scared. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM I worry about things like the Crusades, the Inquisition, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY&feature=related the World Wars, Nuclear Weapons, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMQnALZKAG4&feature=PlayList&p=572E5D6773FD8B5D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1 Aimed Asteroids, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFwnGiu9eV8 Induced Pole Shifts and Tectonic Movements, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyCCd8MCcZY&feature=related Assassinations, Terrorism, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mz0_x7313I Extermination Events http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mFn9EhgU4 (such as the Global Flood, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKbEI8pDz0A Earth Changes, etc.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czgjfl60STs&feature=PlayList&p=A1AAEC1CDE3BD145&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=25 Thanks again for doing this thread. The volume and complexity of the information is overwhelming. It is unlike anything I have ever encountered. Is there a planet in the Pleiades named Pleon? I used this name in a fictional story...in which I said that I was from Pleon in the Pleiades. I have since learned that there is a star in the Pleiades named Pleione. I didn't know that when I wrote the story.

I received the following responses from posts I have made on the internet. They don't sound human.

'Y'all love fantisizing over my ancestral decorations, places, spirituality that you don't get, the greatness you won't achieve, and the melanin you'll never have. This depiction of my ancestors is pathetic. Y'all always make them look just as degenerative and recessive as you. Anyway, play and have fun as much as you still can. Yes you are running out of time, and to be honest, there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. I have no mercy, you lie and mock and blasphem all the way to hell.'

On another website...I received this message:

'You know this isn't funny! The Lord God will judge you for claiming God ship. Just because God showed you a little bit of His secrets you think you know everything. He will NOT have mercy on you!' [orthodoxymoron note: This was in connection with me fictionally using the name KRLLL - causing me to wonder if someone equated Godship with the name 'Omnipotent Highness KRLLL'?]

I once heard a mocking, sing-song, high-pitched feminine sounding voice...emanating from a usually deep and masculine voiced televangelist...directed toward me...in public...almost shouting 'That was gooooooood!!!!'...in reaction to a polite, well intentioned, and well reasoned comment by me.

This was a short unedited internet exchange I had some time ago:

ME: What if the aliens who have been here for thousands of years are the 'bad-guys'? What if we will need the help of good aliens from elsewhere to get rid of the demonic aliens who are already here? Could this be viewed as a hostile alien attack? I really don't know. I am just speculating.

THEM: Try not to think in terms of good or bad. Understand this is not your planet. Then, understand nothing can be done to you that you don't do to yourself. Know that there are quadrillions of planets and they don't have a massive climate change every 26,000 years and violent deranged people like yourselves. Why on Earth would any race want to live here with you knowingly? The most intelligent life on the planet is not human.

ME: I'll try not to think of the Iraq War in terms of good or bad. I'll try to be morally ambiguous. I might even become CIA or a CEO. Hey, maybe violent and deranged is neither good nor bad...but thinking makes it so. The aliens who are here need us to not get our acts together. If that happens...they'll probably have to live on Nibiru...or worse. Sorry for being a smart-ass. Wait...I'm not sorry...it's neither good nor bad. I couldn't resist. I mean well. Really.

THEM: And your point was?...............

ME: Who owns earth? Where do humans belong? What is the most intelligent life on earth? If they are so smart, and earth is so bad...why are they here? I may be deranged...but I'm not violent. You sound as though you are not human...are you an alien? If so...what kind...and from where? My point was that ethics are supremely important. I don't hurt, kill, terrorize, or abduct people...but some aliens apparently do(as do some humans). They should stop.

THEM II: Don't we like...create our own world? We're destroying our own world because our society isn't healthy.

ME: Our planet is how we plan it. Perhaps we need to fire some people in the planning department. You're right...society is sick...mentally ill. Perhaps our world is the Devil's Island Insane Asylum of the Universe. But it seems that some of the inmates are getting well...and helping other inmates to get well. Jail Break! Jail Break! Free at Last! Free at Last!

No further comments in this exchange. My questions went unanswered. The silence was deafening.

Here is another internet conversation I had with someone who claimed to be a hybrid...which I found to be very interesting:

Veronica: Mad humans always existed, just don’t blame their actions (if existed) to the Reptilians. Is too easy to say people are been led by other species evils than admit that there are humans nuts by themselves. Reptilians are good, they only approach a human when they fall in love, and to do good to the beloved person. Satan is a word that means "attorney" in the original language. It is not an individual, the word can apply to many alien lawyer that have nothing to do with humans.

Orthodoxymoron: Is the Old Testament God really Satan...a Reptilian. Could the "attorney" definition have something to do with the legalism seen in the Old Testament? We humans are pretty disgusting in our own right...but I suspect that evil spirits and evil aliens make things a lot worse. Who is responsible for abductions, mutilations, etc? And what about the frightful appearance of alleged Reptilians. I'm not anti-alien...just anti-evil.

Veronica: Thanks for commenting on my post, and for the opportunity of bringing up this subject. The Old Testament Satan came from a species called Man of Tri. He was a good guy, having a beautiful personal trajectory of defending social rights on his planet, extremely intelligent, only bright and right lawyers are chosen to be a Satan. At the time he arrived on Earth, unfortunately, he had become insane, and he did a lot of harm, but it was because he was ill. His species lives 8.000 to 10.000 years of Earth, and he stayed much of this time here, doing harm. As there was few personnel from other species working here, few angels and lots of work to do in those days, nobody caught him. I am not aware if Eden destituted him while he was alive, but he did not act as a Satan here, though he had the Satan seal because he was a nominated Satan ( by Eden High Council). He acted as an insane man, because he was maddened by an illness. See, there is Good and Bad, and there is Evil. Good and Bad are complementary in a context. Evil is out of place. This is because the source of Evil is an illness. It is a virus. We call it virus of Tri because was first detected there. This virus attacks a small percentage of most populations. All species are united to find the cure, all species have problems with maddened guys, and, as humans, in all species most individuals are good guys living by common sense and good social rules.

Orthodoxymoron: Your website is very interesting. I'm wondering if you have heard of, seen or read a book titled 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White? If so, what is your opinion? What is your opinion regarding the Teachings of Jesus? What is your opinion regarding the U.S. Constitution? What can you tell me about the New World Order? Is it really the Old Alien Order? Who was ultimately responsible for 9/11? Satan as a mentally-ill attorney is a fascinating possibility...

Veronica: I will bring the answers here later, just stopped quickly now to thank you. The FAQ is stuck for lack of questions and you really do good ones.
I don’t speak alone, I am supported by Lucifer embassy and by Eden. I got a long message from a Messenger Angel about these, it will take a while to translate, but I will let you know. Basically, about the book of Ellen White as well as the Teaching of Jesus, the message focus on the fact that we are the ones making the history now, there is no need to focus on history to know anything important. Each happening of history is fit for the time it happened. Constitution, summary: the real law is the law of Nature, not clearly understood yet, and the value of the C. relies on its closeness to the natural laws, not imposing limits to it. The C. is to assure freedom, but the freedom only exists when there is no need of law, be to limit, be to let free, other than the nature. As an overview, the U.S. Constitution is advanced, but not finished. Nature allow development and technology, as it works for the Aliens. What changes is the concept about life. New World Order never existed. If humans made their organizations, they were never powerful to threaten the entire world. Never existed an Alien Order, they are ordinary civilizations, with teachers and accountants and social philosophies, living well and satisfied, solving their problems as everyone else. I know it is hard to believe after all this negative marketing, but they are just here doing routine. About 9/11 the answer of the Angels is: All that participated of 9/11 are already dead.

I will put the answers here if you don’t mind, not to overload the comments on the video. You are welcome. The old testament is genuine, it was transmitted by Eden, and the prophets translated the best they could, but the angel’s language is not a piece of cake, and there are many misinterpretations, specially after translated to other languages and analyzed. People have the right to know how things are. I am a fallen angel, you probably heard that we born in human form. We have being trying to tell these things for many millennia, but the kings always kill us and burn our books. But this time there is Internet. I am telling this things on You Tube because I am still not sure if the powers of human will not try to burn the books again, if we start to speak to many people at once. Though the world is more civilized now. When you feel comfortable you can visit my blog, there is many more there about the Creation. There is also a book for download, it is a poem done by me with the angel Ariel, that is my brother. It was done to heal the heart, when people sometimes feel tired of the harshness of life. All material there is free and Creative Commons, we don’t want anything from anyone. We speak because it takes us closer of home. Have a great week.


About spirits: The spirits disturb, really. The fact is that spirits must remain sleeping, and when they are awake they do disturbance. What is important to understand is that never had, and there is not yet, personal enough to suffice the demand of work in Earth. The grays are the responsible to collect the lost spirits, this is part of their job and they are paid to do it and do well, but they are few with few equipment compared to the quantity of ghosts. If someone feel that is being disturbed, he must ask to the gray of his area to chase that specific ghost and the problem will be solved. They usually focus to sane the problems where more humans are being affected. To call the gray just make the request near one of their communication devices. These communicators are discretely placed where the community gathers to discuss the problems, such as churches or community centers, and by what they hear on these places they know where to act to solve the problems affecting more people at once. If someone speak to them directly pointing the problems, they can act more effectively.

Mutilations: Aliens never mutilate. Not even the criminals. Simply because third dimensional material has no use for anyone but to those who live in it. Most aliens can jump from 3rd to 4th dimension, but their feeding and living is done in the 4th. The 3rd is just for work, tourism or study. For any alien species the bodies of the 3rd D are troublesome to deal with directly, and is pointless. The cattle mutilations are done by rats, birds and small animals. There is plenty of analysis of these supposedly mutilated by abduction corpses, and most of them point to very understandable causes, though there might be something bizarre on nature that we cannot understand. If you wish to research deeper, there is a complete article done by a Brazilian magazine called UFO with legists doctors examining many of these cattle. All of them concluded the mutilations were done by rats, that choose the soft parts to eat first – eyes, nose, mouth, ears, reproductive parts, and from these to inside. The opening made by the small creatures who live from corpses are generally perfect and round, and they eat first from inside, it is easy to see at an apple eaten by worms. From outside it can looks good, and the small hole is perfectly round.

Real abductions: The Grays are the “nanny” of human species, as the human species of Gaia is young and still entitled do receive special care. Is the grays duty to assure that all human on the group under their care gets food, shelter and sanitary conditions ( not richness, it is only about the health). So, they ionize the air to kill bacteria, influence for resources to reach hospitals, researchers and sanitary organizations. The abductions occur when a special human individual gets ill, the “special” relies on fact that the person is a hub for the distribution of resources to many others humans. If that person gets ill many will be without resources and will be consequently ill too, so the grays operate this hub person so he can keep up as a resources distributor for that area. It is expensive for the grays, done rarely. But as humans start to communicate directly with the grays they might even buy this operations perhaps, paying by sending resources to other humans in need from that gray group. They do these exchanges with some sensitive’s, sometimes.


Reptilian appearances: The Reptilians are moved by the heart. They fall in love with humans more frequently than you can imagine, then they try to approach the person and everyone gets scared. They are an old, old species, with all existential problems solved, so they live in search of love and adventure. They are scary, of rude gestures, and cannot communicate well with humans, so the misunderstandings and confusions they cause are huge, but there is always an impulsive Reptilian in love behind, usually he does not succeed in his affair, sometimes do. They can fall in love with a person, with a population, with a politic system, with a project being made, by an object or place. It has nothing to do with the “take the world” theories, even because they don’t have to take, the Earth belong to them, and the Angels protect Earth because of them ,as they don’t fit anywhere else, while humanoids can be taken to other places. They are rough in the outside, and most sweet on the inside. Here is their place, the humans just need to learn to understand them, and I am sure will be great for all. They love to have other species living here, when a civilizations ends they long for the next.

I hope this information has a use for you. It is not something I read or heard, the source are the own Alien representatives. I took the task to clarify the misconceptions on the media on my group, and the intention is only to inform our point of view. I chose to speak person to person, with those who are interested on the issue, as being half-human myself.

Veronica: Hello friend, You Tube is making me tired. It is like a rally road and I don’t like it, I am a girl. Here are most boys trying to combat, not to fix on the subject. For discussion, only you were interesting. Keep my e-mail if you wish. You are welcome to discuss anytime.

Orthodoxymoron: Thank-you for your answers and comments. I hope that the internet and You Tube will help people to learn how to communicate more effectively and nicely. I hope things turn out well for everyone...humans, aliens, everyone. I even hope that Satan can learn to be happy without being mean and causing trouble. I don't want anyone to be miserable. Life should be enjoyed. I hope this universe can get past war. We should compete constructively...not destructively. Peace to you.

:original:Namaste:original:

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas,

You information has been quite enlightening (like reading a great novel - never knowing what's on the next page lol) and I thank you for your efforts here. However, now that this broad range of information has been brought to our attention, can you explain exactly what it is that we are to do with it?

Dear bigmo!

Thank you for your deep and meaningful question here.
The Thuban data serves a rather simple purpose; namely to share information you will not find anyplace else on the web in say physically discernible form.

So the Thuban information is NOT in any form in the physical realm, except in the format you can access at this forum.
This has to do with the automatic FILTERING of any such data throughout the ages and as you indicate later on in your reply. It so is this timeline, which necessitates this Thuban data as agency from the Cosmic Logos to exist in this physical - and easily dismissable because of this physicality, say as written words - form.
BUT this Thuban data IS available for anyone from the WITHIN.
To say validate the Thuban data from within you are required to DISCOVER and COMMUNICATE with your innermost intimate being of yourself.

You use your own LOGOS to do this in your INDIVIDUALITY to like 'CALL' the Cosmic Logos shared by all in a shared superconsciousness.


Since you are the Thuban messenger then I have to believe that you also must have 'preparatory advice' for those of us receiving your message?

No, I have no preparatory advice, except to say: 'Go Within to verify, validate, reject or assimilate this information'. Even if you do not understand the technicalities, your 'occultized' superconsciousness understands every word and every equation.

Or is the message itself encoded so as to promote an activation?

The verbosity used is encoding enough, but is used in the way it is transmitted by the Cosmic Logos. It is not perfect, but filtered into 'purity' by the 'grace' of the Logos say.

If the fulfillment of prophesy is 'imminent' as your message suggest then we are not here to be an 'audience' but to be a participatory, or maybe even an 'activating force' by which your revelations may manifest throughout the human mind system.

The imminence is the well publisized Mayan timeline in generality. The details are subject to the evolving human groupmind consciousness of what humanity represents in the cosmic theatres.
Every individual is part and parcel of this 'cosmic chessgame' played between the polarised archetypes say.

For those who have eyes to see and ears to hear, what is the step by step process by which one would go about aligning oneself to this transformational process?

Talk to yourself in your attempt to RETRACE your origins; so you can answer - to your own satisfaction, not relative to others - the 'big questions' of mankind: Why am I here? Where do I come from? Whereto am I going? and so on an on.

The Thuban information answers all these questions in the Thuban perspective for you to have data to compare your own information with.

This so is an opportunity for you to COMPARE, ANALYSE, FEEL, EVALUATE, REJECT and whatever this Thuban data NOT available from other books, thought systems, philosophies, youtube films, medias, books, channelings etc. etc.

Is it just an order of belief?

No, belief, as commonly understood is useless here and should be replaced with 'Inner Knowing' or 'Knowledge of the Soul' as the meaning given to 'belief' by the Cosmic Logos (Yeshua).

Are we to stand tall with our face to the sun and wait with patience or must we alter our thought processes in some way?

You are INVITED to awaken your superconscious self through and by the blending of your INDIVIDUAL LOGOS with the COSMIC LOGOS in your own individual Eucharist in the 'Consumption of the ChristBody of the Resurrection'.

Are we required to use certain breathing techniques or sit cross legged in mediation?

If that suits your current information base and understandings. It is not required however. Sitting under a tree by a lake and feeding the ducks or playing with your pets might have the same effect.

Since you are here now, at this moment in time... what is it that you wish for us to do? (or can you direct us to another source that may already possess the instructional modalities that align with your message?)

I have NO techniques to learn or do anything. There are countless manuals and 'meditation groups' all over the place to provide such services for you to adapt or not.
The Thuban data is FREE as the THUBAN=66=FREEDOM label implies and carries no obligations whatsoever. It is JUST WORDS, but beware because the WORDS are also a SWORD of the self-judgement.


Isaiah 55:1 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Isaiah+55:1&version=NIV)
[ Invitation to the Thirsty ] "Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you who have no money, come, buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost.

Revelation 22:17 (King James Version)


17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.



Peace

AA

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas,

You wrote:

"When the evolutionary thresholds would be attained the ET-intelligences would incarnate physically into the Human and StarHuman templates to manifest their individuated microcosms in the destined macrocosmic super-blueprint of the StarHumanity."


Are we to be vessels then for these ET intelligences, or can we be our own star human?...

Dear Jonah!

Your reply indicates that you perceive yourself to be a human individual, separated as a uniqueness from the rest of the universe.
You are indeed a UNIQUE INDIVIDUAL; yet YOU are also the NONSEPARATED universe.
As long as you cannot perceive yourself in nonseparation, my answers to your questions will appear to you as threatening your individual selfauthority and 'free will'.

Are the billions of bacteria keeping your intestinal biochemistry healthy and functioning 'threatening your individuality and 'sense of selfhood'?

The ETs are like those bacteria in the starhuman body.
The ETs are a collectiveness within the stahuman individual.
Each individual ET-bacterium CAN also express a starhuman individuality in mirroring your Jonah individuality as a bacterium within some alien bodyform, then sharing your starhuman integfrity.

I like myself the way I am... But to believe that I am being controlled from the 12 dimension... and am in the process of allowing an Intelligence that is not my own to incarnate in to my star human self... not sure if I am understanding this part quiet right...

Yes, you misunderstood that part. Perhaps the above will help yo to visualize the unity-separaton dichotomy.

Also this hybrid form... does it come with physical changes?
Can you elaborate on them if any?

How would this template reproduce?

Just as today, except that the prebiological (or cloning) reproduction template will be physically manifested, instead of being 'hidden' and obscured in the 4th space dimension.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Jonah;

We are created to be creators.
With sovereign license directly from the supreme creator, unimpeded, unfiltered.
Anything else is someone selling something.


Yes Fred; I could not have expressed your first two sentences better myself.

To express your creative licence however, you find yourself in the dilemma of your interaction with your environment.

Without any environment you would indeed be the created creator, sharing its individualised loneliness and exile.

So the environment (of the universe) becomes you self-interaction and also a mirror of your own isolation (in the metaphysical exile of yourself without a universe).
This isolation then is FILTERED by the Manyness of yourself perceived as Separation.

So there are filters Fred, allowing you to to rediscover yourself and also to create your own family of cosmic creators.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Bigmo, accepting that you accept that you still might "struggle" (altough I would say, you are as perfect for me as I am perfect for myself), with something (call it ego or whatever, it's just a label, nothing more), is the begining of the acceptance. It's the begining of recognising who you (we) really are....and much more than that.

I'm not here to give you my advises, as I still haven't fully recognised my self.

But, each one of us is special...on his/her own way. And we're allowed to experience, here and now, the very special existence of duality. This is why I just can't accept any karmic debts from any previous lives, as I don't even know if I have had any. I guess, this is my first "appearance" here after many, many thousands of years. Who knows? What I want to point to is, I wouldn't pay too much intention to any karma beliefs, at least not in the way the label "karma" has been presented to us.

By the way, you made me laugh...your statement:



just reminds me of my little daughter, with her almost neverending questions...:thumb_yello:...but believe me, asking questions is not the worst thing...not being able to answer all of them is much worster :mad3: :thumb_yello:...as then,I realise that she actually knows everything, but just still do not remember.

And there we come back again to the purpose of our presence AS WE ARE...each one of us holds many hidden memories inside. So, imo, we're here to help each other to finally recognise...

[I would end this post with a statement from my daughter (already posted on another thread, but it fits here too), after she asked me what's our purpose here, why the creator created us. Her own answer was:]

...we're here to recognise what love is

I assure you, she meant much more then just saying the word "love". She recognises love as a state of being...and not only a simple feeling when you just feel in love!

Thank to YOU Bigmo...

with :wub2: and respect
malletzky

Your wise daughter is a Thuban Princess Malletzky. You have done very well acknowledging her sophic wisdom from the Logos.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas,

How are you? I want a great answer for that question.:wink2::thumb_yello:

I thought this might be something interesting:

Tonight is the "wolf" moon.




What would you recommend for our minds to understand this relation better, in light of this closeness?

Our there relations within ourselves that would benefit and help others within this night especially?

Also:



Could you ask Thuban about this little "illusion". :lol3: I thought it would be silly to ask such a light question at first, but every little thing is what you make it.:thumb_yello:

Hey thanks Abraxas. Its really great the time you spend here on the forum with the rest of us. I hope you are enjoying from this what you can.


peace:wub2:

Dear firstlook!

If the sun is overhead at noon, it appears smaller against a cyan coloured sky and when the sun is setting, it appears bigger against a reddening sky.

There is more light scattering in the evening because the sun is 'cooler' and 'dimmer' in that less sunlight penetrates the atmosphere. The sunlight must travel further in the apparent orbit of the sun around the sky.
This orbit will increase the ARCLENGTH of the angular chord subtended at the reception point of the sunlight (your eye and retina), compared to the ARCLENGTH subtended or projected where the sun diretly overhead.

This so allows more red light frequencies to get through the atmosphere than the midday sun, which absorbs the red frequencies by gas particles and scatters only the blue frequencies (red light is less energetic than blue light and defined by frequencies).

The MOON reflects the sunlight and so describes the same atmospheric physics and optics as a Mirror.

The closeness of the Moon so becomes the 'greater arclength' projection in addition to 'optical illusions' like Oculomotor micropsia and macropsia . Here is a reference:

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/3d/moonillu.htm

For a more technical description of the Moon's ACTUAL apogee-perigee sizes consult the link:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/moon_ap_per.html

AA

[Firstlook]

Dear firstlook!

If the sun is overhead at noon, it appears smaller against a cyan coloured sky and when the sun is setting, it appears bigger against a reddening sky.

There is more light scattering in the evening because the sun is 'cooler' and 'dimmer' in that less sunlight penetrates the atmosphere. The sunlight must travel further in the apparent orbit of the sun around the sky.
This orbit will increase the ARCLENGTH of the angular chord subtended at the reception point of the sunlight (your eye and retina), compared to the ARCLENGTH subtended or projected where the sun diretly overhead.

This so allows more red light frequencies to get through the atmosphere than the midday sun, which absorbs the red frequencies by gas particles and scatters only the blue frequencies (red light is less energetic than blue light and defined by frequencies).

The MOON reflects the sunlight and so describes the same atmospheric physics and optics as a Mirror.

The closeness of the Moon so becomes the 'greater arclength' projection in addition to 'optical illusions' like Oculomotor micropsia and macropsia . Here is a reference:

http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/3d/moonillu.htm

For a more technical description of the Moon's ACTUAL apogee-perigee sizes consult the link:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/moon_ap_per.html

AA

Thankyou.:original:

[abraxasinas]

What are the effects of cell towers on humans? How close is too close?

Dear halebox!

What is the effect of alcohol on humans? How much is too much?

Cell phones exist and alcohol exist. Nothing exists in isolation relative to the whole. When a new technology or 'drug' becomes available, then many of the consequences of the then novelty remain comparatively unknown, until some time has allowed for 'Nature' to adopt to this new environmental interactions.
The laboratory fabricated AIDS virus took about a decade to be processed by 'nature' and only then would HIV positive mothers be enabled to give birth to HIV negative babies.

The below reference might give you more information.

http://www.emwatch.com/Cellmasts.htm

What can orgone be used for?

Orgone is Chi is Prana is the 'Holy Spirit' is the lifeforce, coupled to the ZPE and so ubiquitous. It's usage is basically an individuated resonance physics and not accessible for technological utility until the human groupconsciousness has evolved to 'tap' the ZPE.

You mentioned the darkworkers are actually lightworkers as they have their purpose and are part of the balance. This is really hard to digest but Im starting to get this and I feel some people will never go to the light no matter how hard you try. So the darkworkers who influence these souls are in a sense making sure that all around me are of similar intent if I make it to 4D this time around. At the same time fulfilling their agenda.
I will keep full force ahead in my mission but at some point beyond my control the door closes for the followers. I did my best. Its a very odd sense of relief knowing that negative forces influencing people who have their own will to choose the dark side is at some point is out of my control but yet is all ok and will always be this way. wow

It is 'good' that you are beginning to 'get this'. You should also try to understand that the 'darkness' is restricted to say 5th density in dichotomized (twofold polarity) expression and will beautifully coexist in complementary fashion with the 'light' in the higher densities.
The 'light' is as one with the 'darkness' in a MODULAR DUALITY allowing the macrocosm of say galactic supercluster scales to BE in Holographic Unification with the microcosm of wormhole singularities.

So the 'dark ones' perceived in 3D to 5D are or will be unified in the 'higher perpectives'. As you have or beginning to find out for yourself; the 'negative ones' are helping the 'bigger plan' to bring about maximum polarization for the universal transformation to occur.

Thuban view on eating meat?

This is a VERY VERY important question halebox and I shall spend some time on it after thanking you for asking this question.

The human body is a biochemical reactor, which has evolved for so 2.2 billion years in a feedback mechanism between itself and its environment.
The least self-conscious way to GAIN and grow in consciousbness was to EAT ones environment, say in the form of a Caterpillar, preparing for its pupasation and transformation into a pollinating and so food-giving butterfly.
When you eat an apple, the ;ifeforce of the apple blends its apple-consciousness with your human consciousness and you attain apple consciousness.
So on some faraway planet, where apple-intelligences reside, this apple-sentience receives data from the human consciousness by this mirroring of consciousnesses.

If the human does not eat a ripened apple, ready to fall of the apple tree; then the worms or birds or beetles of the ground will consume the apple consciousness in a similar cosmic interaction.
Alternatively, the oxygen in the air and so the elements will disintegrate and disperse the apple consciousness.

This analgy is applied to the present humanity, literally eating itself via its enviroment as a remnant of its nature as a biochemical reactor.

The Starhuman will no longer be required to 'eat' like a caterpillar, but will 'eat' like a butterfly in a mutual beneficial environmental feedback system.

If the 'wild animals' upon Gaia would have no more need to hunt and eat each other, then all so called exploitative human-alien interaction would cease also.

So fundamentally, KNOW that YOU are eating an alien, when YOU are eating your steak or your piece of bread or a carrot or a peanut or a fish.

Of course eating the peanut or the apple or the wheat is different from eating 'dead meat', as the apple from the apple tree regrows as produce from the roots of the tree from below and nourished also from the sunlight from above.
Eating a carrot is somewhat different than eating a chicken, but nevertheless requires the 'killing' of the carrot.
But ask yourself. What happens to the carrot should you not eat it and what happensd to the chicken should it not be eaten?

The carrot would become fertilizer for its next recycling in consciousness, either agan as a carrot or as some other consciousness via its own 'composting'.
Similarly, the chicken would get old and die and become 'recycled'.

This is the Agony of the entire Creation'.

Romans 8:21-23 (King James Version)



21Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now. 23And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

It so is the CORRUPTION of the Biochemical reactor, requiring food, which is at THE CORE of the 'agony of the universe'.

So when the fox eats the chicken, the chicken becomes part of the fox and when the human eats the chicken, the chicken becomes part of the human. This is the NATURAL LAW implemented and executed in AGONY by the Creation Herself.

When the perception of the Draconian Reptilian eating a human enters the consciousness of the human groupmind, then this is not so different from a Tyrannosaurus Rex eating a human (Jurassic Park movie) or a Shark or Alligator eating a human. The same Natural Law has applied.

The 'Natural Agony' will subside once the 'New Natural Order' has been born.

Isaiah 11:6 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Isaiah+11:6&version=KJV)
The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isaiah 11:7 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Isaiah+11:7&version=KJV)
And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.

Finally, the Thuban perspective of consuming anything is this.

If you decide to eat a killed animal, then KNOW and UNDERSTAND where the 'meat' is coming from. Imagine the living cow and the living fishand the living carrot before you consume its old 'container' and acknowledge your kinship with what you so consume.
KNOW that you are eating the 'life memories' of the bodyform you are consuming (Not its soul) in a blending of your consciousness with It.

There is NO judgement about you choosing what to eat.
To be carniverous demands of you to acknowledge the killing of roaming animals to feed you.
To be a vegan demands of you to acknowledge the killing of growing and living vegetables.
If you would not eat 'animal flesh', then the animal would either not exist in bodyform in having been bred or in dying of old age or disease. (So you might perceive the utter significance of PETS as human companions).
If you would not eat 'vegetable flesh', then the plantform would either not exist in bodyform in having been planted or it would recycle as compost to further the CONSCIOUSNESS Evolvement of the collective in holographic dispersions.


Titus 1:15 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Titus+1:15&version=KJV)
Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.


So earth humans ascending will become Starhuman then become Dragons?
Those who stay in 3D eventually become the Greys?

No, the Greys are linked to Insectoid-Hive groupconsciousness of the collective and the Humans are programmed to become the Mirror of Mirrors within the universe in the Human+Dragon=StarHuman definition of the Logos.

Are emotions a 3D trait?

Yes, the BASE emotionality is 3D upon which the higherD emotionalities MUST be built as a Seedling Energy connecting the so called Physicality with the so called Mentality.

Describe visually the Pleadian race.

Human Consciousness blended with Cetacean Consciousness.

Describe visually the Arcturian race.

Human Consciousness blended with Pachydermian Consciousness.

Describe visually the Sirian race.

Human Consciousness blended with Canine Consciousness.

Describe visually the Andromedan race.

Human Consciousness blended with Feline Consciousness.

Name race and planet not discovered or mentioned yet on our internet.

Akbar Ra in the Sirian starsystem.

What is the effect of an abortion to all involved.

The soul enters the physicality upon conception and following a choosing in the NoSpaceTime about the environmental factors likely to be encountered.
So the possibility of being aborted is assessed before incarnation. A 'wished for' pregnancy so carries much less probability for abortion, then impregnation of a teenager.

Nevertheless all abortion procedures attach the experience of allowing and experiencing the abortion in the superconsciousness of the interacting souls (including the father).
The superconsciousness then inducts the subconscious inducts the waking consciousness with emotions, feelings and thoughts, subject to processing by the Heart-Mind coupling say. To switch polarity of the Thinking rationalising mind with the Feeling emotional heart so often becomes a 'self-enforcing' issue to process feelings of guilt, suicide, despair and indifferences.

Thank you Council of Thuban via Abaraxas

AA

[abraxasinas]

abraxasinas...are you (or have you ever been) in charge of Earth and/or the Solar System?

No orthodoxus; neither do I desire to. I have enough trouble being 'in charge' of my own bodyforms.

I'm not being sarcastic or flippant. I'm interested in the governmental system of Earth, the Solar System, and the Universe. I keep thinking of a Hybrid Goddess of This World ruling Earth from an Underground Stargate Temple...who might resemble the young lady who accompanies your posts. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A6_blpqpU 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b365_qJEpDg In a sense...I don't care who's in charge...as long as Earth, the Solar System, and the Universe are properly governed...with a minimal level of corruption and insanity...and a maximum level of responsible freedom. Again...I'm not being sarcastic or flippant. The problem is...that Power Corrupts...and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely. There may be no exceptions to this rule...which is why I am very nervous regarding Gods, Goddesses, and Theocracies. I'm not rebellious...just scared. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z7O7UZxipM I worry about things like the Crusades, the Inquisition, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rx8PdvOELvY&feature=related the World Wars, Nuclear Weapons, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMQnALZKAG4&feature=PlayList&p=572E5D6773FD8B5D&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1 Aimed Asteroids, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFwnGiu9eV8 Induced Pole Shifts and Tectonic Movements, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyCCd8MCcZY&feature=related Assassinations, Terrorism, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Mz0_x7313I Extermination Events http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mFn9EhgU4 (such as the Global Flood, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKbEI8pDz0A Earth Changes, etc.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Czgjfl60STs&feature=PlayList&p=A1AAEC1CDE3BD145&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=25 Thanks again for doing this thread. The volume and complexity of the information is overwhelming. It is unlike anything I have ever encountered.

Neither will you encounter anything like this anywhere orthodoxus. This Thuban data is simply data, JUST WORDS, which will be used, not by the messenger, but by the Oneness behind the data, that which I call the Cosmic Logos.

Is there a planet in the Pleiades named Pleon?

Well indeed Pleaon exists orthodoxus - You are its Creator and the physical reality of Pleon is as real as the UFOs.

I used this name in a fictional story...in which I said that I was from Pleon in the Pleiades. I have since learned that there is a star in the Pleiades named Pleione. I didn't know that when I wrote the story.

Pleione is the female 'wife' and mother of the Seven Sisters with Atlas her 'lover'.

I received the following responses from posts I have made on the internet. They don't sound human.

'Y'all love fantisizing over my ancestral decorations, places, spirituality that you don't get, the greatness you won't achieve, and the melanin you'll never have. This depiction of my ancestors is pathetic. Y'all always make them look just as degenerative and recessive as you. Anyway, play and have fun as much as you still can. Yes you are running out of time, and to be honest, there is absolutly nothing you can do about it. I have no mercy, you lie and mock and blasphem all the way to hell.'

Very human egocentricity orthodoxus.

On another website...I received this message:

'You know this isn't funny! The Lord God will judge you for claiming God ship. Just because God showed you a little bit of His secrets you think you know everything. He will NOT have mercy on you!' [orthodoxymoron note: This was in connection with me fictionally using the name KRLLL - causing me to wonder if someone equated Godship with the name 'Omnipotent Highness KRLLL'?]

Very human ego mimicking the divine ego of God (who does not judge and is always full of 'mercy').

I once heard a mocking, sing-song, high-pitched feminine sounding voice...emanating from a usually deep and masculine voiced televangelist...directed toward me...in public...almost shouting 'That was gooooooood!!!!'...in reaction to a polite, well intentioned, and well reasoned comment by me.

Even more so human ego-based, accentuating separation and not the natural unity of God.

This was a short unedited internet exchange I had some time ago:

ME: What if the aliens who have been here for thousands of years are the 'bad-guys'? What if we will need the help of good aliens from elsewhere to get rid of the demonic aliens who are already here? Could this be viewed as a hostile alien attack? I really don't know. I am just speculating.

THEM: Try not to think in terms of good or bad. Understand this is not your planet. Then, understand nothing can be done to you that you don't do to yourself. Know that there are quadrillions of planets and they don't have a massive climate change every 26,000 years and violent deranged people like yourselves. Why on Earth would any race want to live here with you knowingly? The most intelligent life on the planet is not human.

This is basically true, but omits the 'inner human core' whch IS in fact the most intelligent cosmic lifeform (the planet belongs to All) - yet remains hidden in the superconsciousness ONLY accessible by the Individual Logos partnering the Cosmic Logos.

ME: I'll try not to think of the Iraq War in terms of good or bad. I'll try to be morally ambiguous. I might even become CIA or a CEO. Hey, maybe violent and deranged is neither good nor bad...but thinking makes it so. The aliens who are here need us to not get our acts together. If that happens...they'll probably have to live on Nibiru...or worse. Sorry for being a smart-ass. Wait...I'm not sorry...it's neither good nor bad. I couldn't resist. I mean well. Really.

THEM: And your point was?...............

ME: Who owns earth? Where do humans belong? What is the most intelligent life on earth? If they are so smart, and earth is so bad...why are they here? I may be deranged...but I'm not violent. You sound as though you are not human...are you an alien? If so...what kind...and from where? My point was that ethics are supremely important. I don't hurt, kill, terrorize, or abduct people...but some aliens apparently do(as do some humans). They should stop.

THEM II: Don't we like...create our own world? We're destroying our own world because our society isn't healthy.

Now THEM has become a projection of earth in a true mirror imaging.

ME: Our planet is how we plan it. Perhaps we need to fire some people in the planning department. You're right...society is sick...mentally ill. Perhaps our world is the Devil's Island Insane Asylum of the Universe. But it seems that some of the inmates are getting well...and helping other inmates to get well. Jail Break! Jail Break! Free at Last! Free at Last!

No further comments in this exchange. My questions went unanswered. The silence was deafening.

THEM had given the 'game away' in imaging themselves as earthling cionsciousness.

Here is another internet conversation I had with someone who claimed to be a hybrid...which I found to be very interesting:

Veronica: Mad humans always existed, just don’t blame their actions (if existed) to the Reptilians. Is too easy to say people are been led by other species evils than admit that there are humans nuts by themselves. Reptilians are good, they only approach a human when they fall in love, and to do good to the beloved person. Satan is a word that means "attorney" in the original language. It is not an individual, the word can apply to many alien lawyer that have nothing to do with humans.

Veronica is from Thuban in the words above.


Orthodoxymoron: Is the Old Testament God really Satan...a Reptilian. Could the "attorney" definition have something to do with the legalism seen in the Old Testament? We humans are pretty disgusting in our own right...but I suspect that evil spirits and evil aliens make things a lot worse. Who is responsible for abductions, mutilations, etc? And what about the frightful appearance of alleged Reptilians. I'm not anti-alien...just anti-evil.

Veronica: Thanks for commenting on my post, and for the opportunity of bringing up this subject. The Old Testament Satan came from a species called Man of Tri. He was a good guy, having a beautiful personal trajectory of defending social rights on his planet, extremely intelligent, only bright and right lawyers are chosen to be a Satan. At the time he arrived on Earth, unfortunately, he had become insane, and he did a lot of harm, but it was because he was ill. His species lives 8.000 to 10.000 years of Earth, and he stayed much of this time here, doing harm. As there was few personnel from other species working here, few angels and lots of work to do in those days, nobody caught him. I am not aware if Eden destituted him while he was alive, but he did not act as a Satan here, though he had the Satan seal because he was a nominated Satan ( by Eden High Council). He acted as an insane man, because he was maddened by an illness. See, there is Good and Bad, and there is Evil. Good and Bad are complementary in a context. Evil is out of place. This is because the source of Evil is an illness. It is a virus. We call it virus of Tri because was first detected there. This virus attacks a small percentage of most populations. All species are united to find the cure, all species have problems with maddened guys, and, as humans, in all species most individuals are good guys living by common sense and good social rules.

Yes, Veronica is still Thubanese, but has begun to filter too much data from 2nd Order into the many many many polarity labels of the 3rd Order.
Recall, the 1st order is Unity internally and externally undifferentiated.
2nd Order is Polarity still unified externally, but internally differentiated as a Oneness - the Cosmic Hologram of the Holographic Universe has not yet become 'shattered' in dispersion.
3rd Order is Polarity differentiated both within and without.


Orthodoxymoron: Your website is very interesting. I'm wondering if you have heard of, seen or read a book titled 'The Great Controversy' by Ellen G. White? If so, what is your opinion? What is your opinion regarding the Teachings of Jesus? What is your opinion regarding the U.S. Constitution? What can you tell me about the New World Order? Is it really the Old Alien Order? Who was ultimately responsible for 9/11? Satan as a mentally-ill attorney is a fascinating possibility...

Veronica: I will bring the answers here later, just stopped quickly now to thank you. The FAQ is stuck for lack of questions and you really do good ones.
I don’t speak alone, I am supported by Lucifer embassy and by Eden. I got a long message from a Messenger Angel about these, it will take a while to translate, but I will let you know. Basically, about the book of Ellen White as well as the Teaching of Jesus, the message focus on the fact that we are the ones making the history now, there is no need to focus on history to know anything important. Each happening of history is fit for the time it happened. Constitution, summary: the real law is the law of Nature, not clearly understood yet, and the value of the C. relies on its closeness to the natural laws, not imposing limits to it. The C. is to assure freedom, but the freedom only exists when there is no need of law, be to limit, be to let free, other than the nature. As an overview, the U.S. Constitution is advanced, but not finished. Nature allow development and technology, as it works for the Aliens. What changes is the concept about life. New World Order never existed. If humans made their organizations, they were never powerful to threaten the entire world. Never existed an Alien Order, they are ordinary civilizations, with teachers and accountants and social philosophies, living well and satisfied, solving their problems as everyone else. I know it is hard to believe after all this negative marketing, but they are just here doing routine. About 9/11 the answer of the Angels is: All that participated of 9/11 are already dead.

Veronica is still acting under the Shadow of Thuban - she is strong in her intent; but as you can see, she is requiring help from the Luciferic realm to answer your questions. This Luciferic Realm IS Thuban.

I will put the answers here if you don’t mind, not to overload the comments on the video. You are welcome. The old testament is genuine, it was transmitted by Eden, and the prophets translated the best they could, but the angel’s language is not a piece of cake, and there are many misinterpretations, specially after translated to other languages and analyzed. People have the right to know how things are. I am a fallen angel, you probably heard that we born in human form. We have being trying to tell these things for many millennia, but the kings always kill us and burn our books. But this time there is Internet. I am telling this things on You Tube because I am still not sure if the powers of human will not try to burn the books again, if we start to speak to many people at once. Though the world is more civilized now. When you feel comfortable you can visit my blog, there is many more there about the Creation. There is also a book for download, it is a poem done by me with the angel Ariel, that is my brother. It was done to heal the heart, when people sometimes feel tired of the harshness of life. All material there is free and Creative Commons, we don’t want anything from anyone. We speak because it takes us closer of home. Have a great week.

Veronica's disposition is becoming more 3rd Order, but she realises some very important principles, such as:
All material there is free and Creative Commons, we don’t want anything from anyone. We speak because it takes us closer of home.

Veronica's agency as a messenger from the 12th dimension remains valid.

About spirits: The spirits disturb, really. The fact is that spirits must remain sleeping, and when they are awake they do disturbance. What is important to understand is that never had, and there is not yet, personal enough to suffice the demand of work in Earth. The grays are the responsible to collect the lost spirits, this is part of their job and they are paid to do it and do well, but they are few with few equipment compared to the quantity of ghosts. If someone feel that is being disturbed, he must ask to the gray of his area to chase that specific ghost and the problem will be solved. They usually focus to sane the problems where more humans are being affected. To call the gray just make the request near one of their communication devices. These communicators are discretely placed where the community gathers to discuss the problems, such as churches or community centers, and by what they hear on these places they know where to act to solve the problems affecting more people at once. If someone speak to them directly pointing the problems, they can act more effectively.

Veronica is describing 3rd Order information from the polarised perspectives.

Mutilations: Aliens never mutilate. Not even the criminals. Simply because third dimensional material has no use for anyone but to those who live in it. Most aliens can jump from 3rd to 4th dimension, but their feeding and living is done in the 4th. The 3rd is just for work, tourism or study. For any alien species the bodies of the 3rd D are troublesome to deal with directly, and is pointless. The cattle mutilations are done by rats, birds and small animals. There is plenty of analysis of these supposedly mutilated by abduction corpses, and most of them point to very understandable causes, though there might be something bizarre on nature that we cannot understand. If you wish to research deeper, there is a complete article done by a Brazilian magazine called UFO with legists doctors examining many of these cattle. All of them concluded the mutilations were done by rats, that choose the soft parts to eat first – eyes, nose, mouth, ears, reproductive parts, and from these to inside. The opening made by the small creatures who live from corpses are generally perfect and round, and they eat first from inside, it is easy to see at an apple eaten by worms. From outside it can looks good, and the small hole is perfectly round.

Veronica is describing 3rd Order information from the polarised perspectives.

Real abductions: The Grays are the “nanny” of human species, as the human species of Gaia is young and still entitled do receive special care. Is the grays duty to assure that all human on the group under their care gets food, shelter and sanitary conditions ( not richness, it is only about the health). So, they ionize the air to kill bacteria, influence for resources to reach hospitals, researchers and sanitary organizations. The abductions occur when a special human individual gets ill, the “special” relies on fact that the person is a hub for the distribution of resources to many others humans. If that person gets ill many will be without resources and will be consequently ill too, so the grays operate this hub person so he can keep up as a resources distributor for that area. It is expensive for the grays, done rarely. But as humans start to communicate directly with the grays they might even buy this operations perhaps, paying by sending resources to other humans in need from that gray group. They do these exchanges with some sensitive’s, sometimes.

Veronica is describing 3rd Order information from the polarised perspectives.

Reptilian appearances: The Reptilians are moved by the heart. They fall in love with humans more frequently than you can imagine, then they try to approach the person and everyone gets scared. They are an old, old species, with all existential problems solved, so they live in search of love and adventure. They are scary, of rude gestures, and cannot communicate well with humans, so the misunderstandings and confusions they cause are huge, but there is always an impulsive Reptilian in love behind, usually he does not succeed in his affair, sometimes do. They can fall in love with a person, with a population, with a politic system, with a project being made, by an object or place. It has nothing to do with the “take the world” theories, even because they don’t have to take, the Earth belong to them, and the Angels protect Earth because of them ,as they don’t fit anywhere else, while humanoids can be taken to other places. They are rough in the outside, and most sweet on the inside. Here is their place, the humans just need to learn to understand them, and I am sure will be great for all. They love to have other species living here, when a civilizations ends they long for the next.

Veronica is using words from 3rd Order has however returned to the Thuban perspective in attempting to define and describe the Human+Dragon=StarHuman equation.

I hope this information has a use for you. It is not something I read or heard, the source are the own Alien representatives. I took the task to clarify the misconceptions on the media on my group, and the intention is only to inform our point of view. I chose to speak person to person, with those who are interested on the issue, as being half-human myself.

Yes, here Veronica is 2nd Order Thubanese again.

Veronica: Hello friend, You Tube is making me tired. It is like a rally road and I don’t like it, I am a girl. Here are most boys trying to combat, not to fix on the subject. For discussion, only you were interesting. Keep my e-mail if you wish. You are welcome to discuss anytime.

Veronica the Dragoness - how interesting and enticing for the Dragons protecting their treasures in their lonesome caves.

Orthodoxymoron: Thank-you for your answers and comments. I hope that the internet and You Tube will help people to learn how to communicate more effectively and nicely. I hope things turn out well for everyone...humans, aliens, everyone. I even hope that Satan can learn to be happy without being mean and causing trouble. I don't want anyone to be miserable. Life should be enjoyed. I hope this universe can get past war. We should compete constructively...not destructively. Peace to you.

:original:Namaste:original:

Satan is the IMAGE of the True God/Source/Creator in the Mirror of 11D - both inside in 10D and outside in 12D.

The true Satan is SATANIA and has never left the Mirror and cannot leave the twosidedness thereof UNTIL the 11D-mirror becomes Onesided.
Then Satania will merge with the ascended Gaia becoming HER GLORIOUS HERSELF in the cosmic sexchange operation behind the dramas and the theatres.

AA

[Spregovori]

Hi Abraxasinas, i think it is time to upgrade what i have "got" this far...starting with confusion and hopefully ending with conclusion :) ..like the last time

In the process of "becoming" we compete against ourselves?
I am my own enemy? Not some "evil draconian, gray"..etc?

Is this the "greatest trick" of them all? The only evil there is is the man itself?

All that is required is for us to do our best? (actually a very hard thing)
After the competition is over we can be united within ourselves?

Being...child like...being pure, inquisitive, "naive", opened, not judgmental, without prejudice....helps a lot during this process?

What is it -to be born again - to truly know yourself?

Everything i experience is a counter reaction for my action?
If so...can action be forced on me, without me making the 1st step (provoking it)?

If one can be influenced in this manner, how is this to be understood?
Is this a necessary experience or something that should (if possible) be avoided?

How conscious am I....or all of us...during our wake time?
Am i unknowingly creating much of what happens to me?
While thinking i am doing one thing..."somewhere" in the background there are "forces at work" that i am not aware of?

This one might a "long shot" (but i just can not resist): what is my cosmic ID?

If i attempt to understand what i perceive with my senses as a star trek holodeck - can this help me to understand things better?
How do i stop the program and exit the holodeck?

This one might be a little "strange"...if you perhaps know it...in star trek TNG (a great show with many deep topics) there are beings named Q**. It snaps its fingers and behold...the relative gravity of the universe is changed...and things like that... Q = a distant future human to be? or is there anything like that now? - who and where?

**(Q Continuum is an extra-dimensional plane of existence inhabited by a race of extremely powerful, hyper-intelligent beings known as the Q The Q have the ability to warp reality at a whim, ranging from appearing in any place they choose to rearranging the cosmos themselves, they are not omnipotent, just beyond the comprehension of some beings of lesser knowledge and intelligence.)

There are many times when i realize that as much "good" i can do as much "evil" i can do. It mostly feels better when i do what is classified as good. although when i was younger it was...different...younger as = teenager. But at the same time i can easily imagine how would the situation look like if i were to - do it the other way. And it is not that i can not do evil - that would be a lie and a big one. When i do good i choose not to do evil - it is only that and nothing more. I am not a "saint" or anything like that. At times like that i honestly ask myself what choice would i make if there were no such things as a law...i also ask myself what things would others do to me... and i somehow become to realize...that law is actually pushing us back...it is holding us back...preventing the experience. As "cruel" as this might sound i think it is true. Human animal hides behind the law...not doing what would it actually do...not experiencing what it would...not learning...not progressing or regressing as it should...it is artificial and unnatural...all rules are...or so i think.
But than again we are all so heavenly influenced that what i see as evil might not even be in my mind if all of this outside influence was not present...none of us would...and i wonder...just how would we behave...do and think...without the artificial form of control...


Would i still know fear?
Would i still know laughter?
Would i be able to understand without feeling it?

Are our feelings distorted?
Is what we feel getting in a way?

.... there is just so much....what i "got" as a basic understanding (what i call my thesis) is not sufficient if i can not control my mind...if my mind is wild


If i am not aware of myself how do i control what i manifest?

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abraxasinas, i think it is time to upgrade what i have "got" this far...starting with confusion and hopefully ending with conclusion :) ..like the last time

In the process of "becoming" we compete against ourselves?
I am my own enemy? Not some "evil draconian, gray"..etc?

Yes.

Is this the "greatest trick" of them all? The only evil there is is the man itself?

Yes, the thinking of 'evil' becomes a context for the thinking of 'good' to become meaningful and a choice to experience.
Think of LOVE existing everywhere to be experienced. The experience would be meaningless without KNOWING and HAVING EXPERIENCED the Absence of that LOVE. This is archetyped as the 'Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil' being the precursor for the 'Tree of Eternal Life'.

These differences in context have been omni-scientifically defined and so CAN become PHYSICALLY implemented.

All that is required is for us to do our best? (actually a very hard thing)
After the competition is over we can be united within ourselves?

Yes, its the contextual scenario must exist, before the Nature of Love-Reality can truly be Understood and appreciated.

Being...child like...being pure, inquisitive, "naive", opened, not judgmental, without prejudice....helps a lot during this process?

Of course - the BEING LOVE incarnated in bodyforms.

What is it -to be born again - to truly know yourself?

To know yourself to be an intimate part of both Cosmic Father-Creator and Cosmic Mother-Creation - a Child thereof growing up to propagate GoddoG's Family.


Everything i experience is a counter reaction for my action?
If so...can action be forced on me, without me making the 1st step (provoking it)?

This is the 'greater picture' of your individual soul knowing itself to also BE the 'collective' soul. The linear lifetime experience so often veils the deeper purposes only known to the 'collective;' soul. So familiarising yourself with the 'oversoul' aka the 'worldsoul' is the easiest way to discover your own secrets hiding within yourself.

If one can be influenced in this manner, how is this to be understood?
Is this a necessary experience or something that should (if possible) be avoided?

As in the above - only your own Logos as part of the Cosmic Logos KNOWS.

How conscious am I....or all of us...during our wake time?

It goes 1-2-4 and so 1/7th is waking consciousness; 2/7th is subconscious and 4/7th is superconscious.

Am i unknowingly creating much of what happens to me?

Your Logos connected to the SuperLogos does.

While thinking i am doing one thing..."somewhere" in the background there are "forces at work" that i am not aware of?

Definitely and as in the preceding answers.

This one might a "long shot" (but i just can not resist): what is my cosmic ID?

Whatever you choose to label it in superconscious awareness.
Labeling remains valid in the subconscious and the waking consciousness, but is filtered by your thoughtforms you create about yourself and your environmental interactions.

If i attempt to understand what i perceive with my senses as a star trek holodeck - can this help me to understand things better?
How do i stop the program and exit the holodeck?

Look into a mirror and change perspective of being Spregovori in Wonderland or Spregovori in Realityland.

This one might be a little "strange"...if you perhaps know it...in star trek TNG (a great show with many deep topics) there are beings named Q**. It snaps its fingers and behold...the relative gravity of the universe is changed...and things like that... Q = a distant future human to be? or is there anything like that now? - who and where?

This kind of supernaturality cannot exist physically. There exists an advanced physics, which allows the 3D displacement vector to become scaled, meaning the velocity parameter changes as a function of the scale change relative to a superimposed frequency.
The sci-fi idea you are referring to visualized this scenario the basic equation is: V(n=Hot)=R(n).F and where R(n) is the displacement INDEPENDENT on linear time in the cancellation of the Hubble-Frequency Ho (as inverse time) multiplied by a linear time t.

**(Q Continuum is an extra-dimensional plane of existence inhabited by a race of extremely powerful, hyper-intelligent beings known as the Q The Q have the ability to warp reality at a whim, ranging from appearing in any place they choose to rearranging the cosmos themselves, they are not omnipotent, just beyond the comprehension of some beings of lesser knowledge and intelligence.)

Yes, the physics equation above is the key to the wormhole travelling and the warping of spacetimes.

There are many times when i realize that as much "good" i can do as much "evil" i can do. It mostly feels better when i do what is classified as good. although when i was younger it was...different...younger as = teenager. But at the same time i can easily imagine how would the situation look like if i were to - do it the other way. And it is not that i can not do evil - that would be a lie and a big one. When i do good i choose not to do evil - it is only that and nothing more. I am not a "saint" or anything like that. At times like that i honestly ask myself what choice would i make if there were no such things as a law...i also ask myself what things would others do to me... and i somehow become to realize...that law is actually pushing us back...it is holding us back...preventing the experience. As "cruel" as this might sound i think it is true. Human animal hides behind the law...not doing what would it actually do...not experiencing what it would...not learning...not progressing or regressing as it should...it is artificial and unnatural...all rules are...or so i think.
But than again we are all so heavenly influenced that what i see as evil might not even be in my mind if all of this outside influence was not present...none of us would...and i wonder...just how would we behave...do and think...without the artificial form of control...

Use the Golden Rule to end your confusions here. Do and think about what you would like to be done and thought about you.
Before doing anything, think about the consequences of this doing in 'Walking in the other's Mocassins'.
Would you like to be treated some way? Would you like to experience the thing being done to you?
Would you be able to enjoy the thing being done to you in not being any form of manipulation or abuse, physical, emotional or mental?

Would i still know fear?
Would i still know laughter?
Would i be able to understand without feeling it?

Yes, to all of the above; as the 3D reality MUST be the SEED for any higherD form of reality.

Are our feelings distorted?
Is what we feel getting in a way?

The present 3D reality is designed or programmed for maximum polarisation to create the contextual background to allow the 3D seed to sprout into 4D and above.


.... there is just so much....what i "got" as a basic understanding (what i call my thesis) is not sufficient if i can not control my mind...if my mind is wild

If i am not aware of myself how do i control what i manifest?

To become the 'master' of your own thoughts is the first step to control the manifestations and from the mental into the emotional into the physical.

Without 'selfmastering' your own thoughts, you will remain in confusions.

AA

[bigmo]

To become the 'master' of your own thoughts is the first step to control the manifestations and from the mental into the emotional into the physical.

Without 'selfmastering' your own thoughts, you will remain in confusions.

AA


How is it exactly that we master our own thoughts?

By what 'reference' point of determination do we begin this process; this self mastery?

Doesn't the term 'self mastery' connote a condition by which we have made (past tense) 'decisions' that inherently and by their very nature, require judgments?

And if we are making 'judgements' in these determinations (what action or thought process we choose to take) then by what 'code' or 'reference of cosmic awareness', do we use to determine whether our judgments will reflect (mirror) the outcome of self mastery?

If it is as simple as: "Love your neighbor as yourself." then that 'code' or 'reference of cosmic awareness' would be the premise by which all thoughts, judgments and hence actions would be weighted against in determining the right judgment.

Nothing new here and certainly common enough ideas to be sure.

So there must be something that we are missing in our understanding? Something about this 'code' as it manifest within our 3D experience that inhibits us from grasping the simple 'awareness' that leads us to self mastery. What is that?

Peace

[bigmo]

Does the knowledge of Thuban reside in the Akashic Records?

[Firstlook]

Hello Abraxas,

What of the "Forty Six and Two" theory.......

....by Drunvalo Melchizedek concerning the possibility of reaching a state of evolution at which the body would have two more than the normal 46 total chromosomes and leave a currently disharmonious state.[2][3] The premise is that humans would deviate from the current state of human DNA which contains 44 autosomes and 2 sex chromosomes. The next step of evolution would likely result in human DNA being reorganized into 46 and 2 chromosomes, according to Melchizedek.

......do you agree with?


Peace:original:


joey

[Céline]

"To become the 'master' of your own thoughts is the first step to control the manifestations and from the mental into the emotional into the physical.

Without 'selfmastering' your own thoughts, you will remain in confusions."


First one must Master the self...

Yes i completely agree

[Spregovori]

I need additional clarification regarding - Logos, to understand the last answers.

I admit i was rather surprised...a lot of yes answers. It seems i can do better than i would think...think of myself...

Universal Logos = Christos = Forethought = Mosaic Law = Oneness = Source Energy ?


Each individual has its own Logos?
Logos of each individual have an effect on the Universal Logos?
Universal Logos can, in time, be changed via individual Logos?
By changing the Universal Logos = change of the archetypes?

So theoretically...sometime in the future...everything can be/will be different?

What does it mean to surrender to the Logos /Universal Logos?
How does one do that?

There are also other questions but at the moment i can not form them in most possible (for me) logical way (to make them as clear and as basic as possible).

[UncleJohn]

Hi Abrax,

I would say that the interface between consciousness and memory is of utmost importance. What you say abrax?

Where does your consciousness and memory reside Abrax?

Who has hidden access or control over either?

Thanks Uncle John

[Jacqui D]

Hi Abrax, well it is very late here, but i was determined to read through all the posts i have missed the last few days i have not been on Avalon.
Whilst i find all the numerical side of your writings a little confusing a pattern is beginning to form in my mind and i still struggle with some and feel totally inadequate at times with all these teachings i would like to say it has been an exciting read.
I am glad the posts have turned a little more positive i felt in previous posts that some were becoming and feeling a little overwhelmed with your work a little dark.
I understand that light and darkness was created and both has a part to play in this creation each playing against the other or mirroring in your words another way of describing it.
I also understand if i am correct and please correct me of i am wrong that when the new earth this 4th density which comes with the ascension will be totally thought form.
Free from solid matter then?
But we would have the free will to create in a rudimentary form.

I have always believed that we all need to be as innocent children again having none judgemental beliefs and seeing with heart not so much with the mind i know this has been instilled within us being indoctrinated into certain belief systems/religions/education and i guess worse of all our own parents setting a pattern which turned us basically into them.
When i look into the eyes of those innocent ones those tiny babies i see the true love the oneness which so sadly is lost, within a few months of birth.

I have been trying to connect back to past memories some have been given but so much more to understand.
I have also been having vast knowledge relayed to me recently continuously most evenings in a sleep state, very revealing to and i may add emotional things for me which i have always known since a little girl of who what i am.

I am a sceptic, strange thing to say really when i have my own experiences i do believe others i do not doubt and would never say this was not truth or is the truth i seem to have a mechanism within me that seems to click on when i read or take any information in, i am often told to use this mechanism and still i ask myself can i believe.

I had an encounter a year ago with two reptilians, this changed my life i was attacked by one it was a horrific attack and i guess i am still coming to terms with it.
If it wasn't for the mark they left on my right arm i may have questioned if it happened because it was like a nightmare but the mark substantiated this experience to be true.
I have been trying to find answers for this attack and why it happened to me, these were two warlords predator type beings.
I was told by the one that attacked me that "He had been looking for me for a long time" which made me feel he knew me and if he did how?

I don't know why i am telling you this i have wrote about this numerous times on this site and i should think most are sick of hearing about it now, but this was a very true and deep experience for me.
Someone asked me once was you frightened well yes of course i was, but you know one of the two preds was very kind to me and actually helped me and gave me healing. So i look at it differently now because i now know that not all reps are bad, as they are portrayed to be, just as we have good and bad in humans i realise we have good and bad in other races.
I have not entirely forgiven the one that attacked me i still find it hard but i know i must, i just want answers why me!

I have tried to be a good person all my life, i love all of creators creatures, i have spoken to mother earth she has helped me when i needed answers to questions i could not answer for myself.
I do believe i have been a victim of certain things which happen on this Earth, and i feel humans get a raw deal sometimes, being so dumbed down/memory loss and control, and i do feel we are controlled to extent we can not be the soul purpose of our problems there have been outer forces at and also.
Yet i know i have come here for this time to take on a commission as sort as so many today have.

Your writing has been in depth and intriguing.
thank Abrax.

[realitycorrodes]

Greetings abraxasinas, (http://projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=10275)

Thank you for your previous replies to my questions.

I wish to ask you personally.

Do you personally eat animals?

Do the Thuban Council recommend eating animals (unnecessarily) to people who wish to access higher vibratory dimensions?

Or do they recommend eating a vegerarian diet to people who wish to access higher vibratory dimensions?

Or they don't recommend either of the above as in their perception it does not matter?


Do the Thuban council recognise that it is unnecessary for humans to eat animals?


P.S. I don't eat my friends the animals unnecessarily...in a world of abundance in the west at least ... it always looks unnecessary to eat our friends.

P.S. Don't our friends the animals enjoy ever right to a long happy life absorbing and processing the experiences of the earth program from their perscpective. Their purpose as a learning function is surely more than just becoming fertiliser.

P.S. I try to be harmonic. Love for me is harmonic. It does no harm! Killing an animal unnecessarily seems to be disharmonic to me? Eating the fruit form a tree and killing an animal seem very different things in terms of maintianing harmony.

At the end of the day, I wish to experience harmony so I try to live as harmoniously as I can without inflicting the great horror/ pain upon my friends the animals. Why is this so hard for humans to understand?


Wishing Peace and the end of ignorance to all sentient beings!

[hippihillbobbi]

Abraxas --

I was reading some of the material i found on (one of??) your website(s) ..... some info apparently given by a reptilian from a race that has lived underground here for a long time. in general, i found it extremely interesting. the following question comes after an exchange where Lacerte (this reptilian's "name") tells her human interviewer that one or more of the "3 hostile alien races" here (she insists her race is not hostile to humans) have plans which somehow will cause harm to humans/humanity. Cue the interviewer:

Question: Will the other extraterrestrial species undertake nothing against these war-like actions? Specifically, something ought to be on Earth for the more highly developed species.

Answer: You're wrong there. Specifically, for the more highly developed species there is simply at the very least your fate. You are animals for them. Animals in a very large lab. Understandably, an alien intervention on your planet would disturb their projects, but I don't think that they accept a confrontation with other species for it. Many of them could look for another research planet for themselves or they could study over a long distance your behavior and your consciousness/awareness, since crisis situations could have an attraction for their studies. Whenever you people take a look at an ant hill, and another person comes along and steps on the ant hill, what do you do? You go on your way, or you search for another ant hill or you observe the ants in their crisis condition. But would one of you —even though he were larger and more powerful than the one who stepped on the ant hill in the first place— defend the meaningless ants? No. You have to imagine for yourself the viewpoint of the more highly advanced creatures. You are the ants. Don't expect any help from them.

AA -- what is your/Thuban perspective on this "alien's" answer?

and, one more question ....

Do Thubans or "Dragonized" consciousness have any inherently closer relationship to reptilian races than, say, 3-d humans do? i.e., do the archetypes of dragon/serpent as related to the original plan for this creation imply any special or "familial" connection between reptilian species and the body-mind-spirit complex known as Yeshua/Melchizidek [Logos]? (hope you can make some sense of what i'm trying to get-at here?!?)

As always, Abraxasinas, thanks so very much! :wub2:

Hippihill

[Nebula9D]

Hi All,

Haven't been here in a while, i have lightyears of infomation to catch up :) Thank you Abrax.


Does the knowledge of Thuban reside in the Akashic Records?

Good Question Bigmo. Abrax i wish to add to the question above. Are the Akashic Records the same as The Tablets of ALL. Or are all these names referring to the same thing?