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Anchor

02-23-2010, 09:52 AM

Did you even consider why he did not want to have a conversation as to what I posed to him?

Yes I did. In my view you didn't really appear to ask a direct question, the majority of your posts appeared to me to be more concerned with rendering your opinion on what Abrax is/is not. That's ok, but it did not appear to solicit the desired response.

I was also actually "nice" about it and not as confrontational as you put it.

Mea culpa. I apologise you are correct. The sense of confrontation I get is because you are "going up" against Abraxasinas and his agenda - unlike others here, I am free to admit my intuition is not always allowed by me, enough freedom to function and I therefore should not make judgmental statements without taking more time to think - bad habit. Things to do, so much pressure. Bad excuse.

I have seen other way more confrontational comments in this thread but you never even mentioned any of those.

Again, some prejudice based on our private email exchange on the kinsuemei matter - I must have unjustifiably had some prejudgment of the outcome of your posts here and let that cloud my judgment. I am really sorry.

But since it would appear that I am near attacking this Dragon and someone you feel more in alignment with, anything I say is going to be more amplified in your mind. Why is that Anchor? I'm just curious as to how you play this game.

You are correct. For the reasons stated above, it was more amplified in my mind. I am trying to be neutral, but maintaining the balance in neutrality in this case appears to have eluded me.

One thing, though I claim no special alignment with Abraxasinas.

I have stated neither agreement nor disagreement with the generality of Abraxasinas's posts - one or two I may have expressed appreciation for, particularly the answers to my own questions - answers to which I deeply appreciate. I have stated that I find all of the posts that I have read of his uniquely interesting.

So, although it has been stated that I do, in fact I do not "support" him beyond the right for him to answer the questions he is asked in a manner congruent with the forum guidelines. I admit also extending some license to the allowed length of the posts and quotes, which is an unusual way of working on this forum - and regrettably has annoyed a few members.

I have been consistently amazed at the attacks he has drawn. If he is who he says he is, he needs no special support from me - except to stop him from being banned for any reason other than a genuine and serious forum guideline breach - yes as you have seen there are those gunning for him to be banned. I hope he wont be banned unless he does anything seriously wrong. In that respect I have supported him - a lot.

I see Abraxasinas as interesting and a great contributor - especially as he does it the way he does - non infringement. This is highly resonant with my favored approach to the way forums could work.

The problem seems to be that his answers have made people come out and paint him as evil incarnate - seemingly on the basis that they can't even start (or won't even start) to understand what he says, or find his data challenging. My conclusion thus far is that this is fear of the unknown. I don't have that fear, so I don't resonate with it and it is a bit bewildering to see.

As far as what I know, I am not the only one who knows. However I do bring something to the table as to a soulution and for the most part none of you who have this new alignment with Abrax here see that. Now that tells me there is a spell on you. And I can not write what some of my scans have shown me about this thread and some of the participants.

I hope my statements above have clarified the matter. You have my explicit permission to reveal the results of any "scans" against me in the matter of me being deluded by a spell, however, in so doing you may not reveal my real name, place of residence, place of birth or place of work; nor may any numeric data pertaining to my life be revealed - but you may scan it.

I agree that I have not seen the soulution you bring to the table, I beg for an elaboration. My real difficulty is that I do not see the problem you claim to want to solve, so if you were to elaborate, that would be my requested focus.

Sadly you also say:

The reason why I don't say it all out and put it on a silver platter for you is that you also have your free agency I must respect that and I have given enough big clues here so that you can actually go validate it for yourself. Again don't take my word for it, but go prove it. If you want the real data, go prove it. I am not here to spoon feed you or anyone else here. That would be disrespectful and would lack integrity if I was to do so. Get the data in the first hand so that no one has to convince you other wise in the second hand. In other words, get real. I really thought you of all people could handle that. But that is not what I see is being reflected back in this thread.

Which means I won't be getting what I want. Mind you, does it not count that I am asking you a direct question in this matter? If the issue then is that I do not speak for all present (which is true) then perhaps we just have to let this rest - or if you are so inclined, a private exchange.

And by what responses and energies I am picking up, apparently I am not the only one here and many don't really want to say what they really feel because they seen from the past what kind of reactions they will get back. And it is because they care and know what side of the fence they are on. Not the lukewarm like Jesus spoke of as he would spit that out first as compared to knowing if it was cold or hot.

I concur with your assessment. I think those others are all answerable for keeping quiet as well - its equivalent to walking away from a road accident without helping. This is why I appreciate you responding in the manner you have, you have perceived a problem and you are trying to help. You are the only one so far that has come close to outlining the problem, but you didnt finish the job, So it is not straightforward but I really appreciate the effort you put into it. You have done it in a way that others fail to do and so they end up in a direct attack that if serious has to be prevented by the moderators. I salute the moderators for their tolerance for this thread - albeit through gritted teeth in some case.

I may have said I know but I have never said to take my word for it. I always say don't take my word for it because I want everyone to find that validation for themselves. You've taken that way out of the context of what or where I stand, for the record. Everyone who really knows me here will also tell you that. So where the hell did that come from? Fact is I want people to know what is going on and it isn't a game here as some type of fictional drama between polarities that you just read about. The ones that only want to see love and light are blanketing their horrific memories. They are in essence the most wounded and I really don't blame them from everything I have seen. But always remember there are different domains of knowing in a soul's life. I guess the Arch types refer that as cycles as well.

Thank you for clearing that up. Again, sorry I took you out of context. It did appear to me at the first reading that you were stating it like it was a fait-accompli - again I rushed. Should read again. Did not obey my own rules.

Point is I am in the now and have done much work in remembering who I am. I am not going to deny who I am because someone has a prejudice and think that warriors suck. If it wasn't for a lot of the warrior cast I am aligned with, many things would be much worse. Look at the records and see it for yourself. Personally, I hate war. But I defend what I love and if anyone has a problem with that, tough. I have paid my dues and I don't need to be disrespected because I chose to defend that. I don't need to be spat on because I have served the Creator. At least I know who I serve. Which leads me to a question as to some here and who they serve. I also don't have to point fingers as some of you here have already pointed your own finger onto yourselves and if you think no one noticed that, then you are blind. To think just because we are not all Einsteins here, you are smarter, is one of the biggest jokes in this Universe. And that joke is on you. Intelligence is just an aspect of Creation. It isn't the whole ball of wax. Do some tuning work on that.

I am not sure that part is addressed at me particularly, I have not intentionally disrespected you, and if anything I have said is considered as such then I am again sorry. If my summarizing of your position was seen as disrespectful or overly distorting, then please know it was not meant to be.

Problem is that many are still sleeping. And you may think what I have spouted off as a dream. I am not here to take you away from dreamland. It is your choice what you do with that or as you define it. And you will surely be limited if all you can see is 3D data. It will keep you asleep. That is how the second hand information highway has been used.

As far as young Dragons go, was not said in disrespect. Just an observation as compared to other Dragons I have known. Just be what I had written in the construct of that sentence. Ask him.

Well it looked pretty testy to me. Again, thanks for clearing that up. I express no opinion about what you believe - in fact I wanted to know more about it, but that silver platter remains empty :)

Well then, Anchor, you haven't tested your fear in this other domain of knowing. I always have tried to keep people from it, but you know what, to hell with that from now on. The door is opened and you choose to open one of the door and keep it opened here at this forum. If you are as good as you try to convey with your subtleties , then by all means step on through. Just make sure you bring an extra pair of britches.

I chose to open the door ? You mean by unbanning abraxasinas in the first place and then preventing the re-banning? Ok, now what?

I hope I have not tried to convey anything about being good at something or otherwise. I am confident of what I know, but I am well aware of my imperfections and some of my weaknesses. I am certainly no warrior - and you obviously clocked that right off the bat. If you don't know it yet, I will tell you that I understand my main specialty/mission purpose is that of a manifestor - a kind of reality technician. I can elaborate more if necessary but I don't feel like doing it here. In any case I don't yet possess the kind of recall that you evidently have achieved.

I don't walk through open doors unless I have too, or unless I have a fairly good idea what is on the other side. In this case, its academic, because I don't even know about the door you are talking about.

What shocks many here is the double standards and who it suites. I have seen other threads closed for much much less. And although I am not into slamming threads closed as I do support free speech, I am really surpirised by the past history here as compared to what you all are allowing now. It doesn't seem like your normal ways of doing things.

I don't run this forum, I contribute to the running of the forum. More often than not the moderators function well as a team. One of the strengths of our current mix is the degree to which we can disagree to some serious extremes yet still operate effectively. It is one of the best and most rewarding moderating experiences I have ever had - which when you take a look around this forum, you can see it needs to be.

I agree that there has been, and probably will be some inconsistency. I don't think it can be helped, all we can try to do is do our best and keep each other honest. Closed threads can be reopened. Bans can be lifted. Most mistakes can be rectified. There is established case history for this. I speak from experience - I made a few of those mistakes myself. It happens. Never said or claimed I didn't.

All other things unchanged, if I understood Abraxasinas correctly, this thread will self terminate if and/or when people stop asking Abraxasinas questions - or shortly thereafter.

As far as starting my own thread, that idea is a dead horse on life support. Let me just put it this way and you can read between the lines if there are any lines. I did start one thread and it got slammed closed. I learned my lesson. Now I appreciate you suggesting that I should start one again. As that would take the pressure out of this thread if I took myself out of this one. But all you had to do was ask. So this is what I am going to do. I am just going to bow out of this one as I have only asked for a fair handshake as to integrity, and I didn't get that despite my efforts. Good luck with this thread. May you all learn many valuable lessons from it.

I hope I have undone some of the disrespect you have perceived from me. I have addressed the matter of the thread closure in a private message.

I know when to detach.

Seems I don't really yet :naughty:

God Bless

Thanks, you too.

A..

PS: I respect your desire to bow out of this thread, but if you make a response here I hope that you wont feel like I forced that - alternatively a private message works - especially on the scan thing.

abraxasinas

02-23-2010, 10:44 AM

Dear Fallen ones,

I find this interesting. Does this mean you take on the caretaking role regardless the need of the angelic human to be taken cared of, or is this a choice of free will.

I take this to be a question, dear Sollve, dear Uplifted One!

It is exactly as said, just as a mother would treat her newborn baby, which doesn't know what to do.
If you are a mother then you should know, if not ask someone who is a mother.

My mind tells me two outcomes of this tender caretaking business. Either the humans who don't want to be eaten and hybridized by red dragons or any other kind of dragons by free will, will be put in concentration camps a.k.a. under the wings of "caretakers" and if the millions upon millions of non hybridized humans still resist the indoctrinations of the care takers, what happens then? My guess is that the humans will be battered around until they do. Is this correct?

There are no concentration camps on Thuban; we do not eat humans; we do hybridize them though to harmonise the hybridizations and manipulations which have restricted the human genome hitherto and beginning say 208,000 years ago.
So you are right now a hybridized Sollve and we dragons are able, as genetic engineers, to correct the 'damages' done in your 'Fall' into the low density vibratory field of the Gaian planetary consciousness memeplex.

The other way around would be that the humans that don't want to be dragon Halflings and thereby be stolen of their angelic heritage would actually be allowed to govern the universe from a creative and loving perspective, the way it was always meant to be. How could possibly a hybridized human be better than the original?

As said elsewhere, the humanoid morphotype required hybridization to render the 'evolving' humanoid UNIQUE amongst the other lifeforms of the Caenozoic geological earth. Without this ET interference, the human variability in genotype would have continued (like Indian and African Elephants today, there existed numerous Australopithecine branches {Afarensis, Africanus, Boisei, Robustus,...} so 4 million years ago) and the cosmos would NOT have access to a MASTER-TEMPLATE called HUMAN.
You Sollve would NOT then exist as a unique individuation of the Prime Creator.
So the ET interference was necessity to allow the 'fallen Sollve ancestors' to eventually become this master blueprint for ALL cosmic ETs and from the most primal stock possible.

It is only this most elementary form, which was deemed suitable to BECOME the cosmic masterrace and then AS an ancestor for ALL ET races in the Gaian lifeform associations.

This is the situation with the higherD ETs. THEY chose NOT to 'fall' into the most primordial incarnational energy realm called Gaia; BUT chose to support their own evolutionary agendas in HYBRIDISATION with that most primitive stock.

How could your so called star human ever be what the human was meant to be from the beginning?

This is what I am trying to explain to you in the above. The human morphogenetics will be like a master template a 'Morphogenetic Field' for the Cosmos, as Rupert Sheldrake would say.

We are meant to stop wars and find new ways, new creative ways to make peace. We are meant to save worlds, galaxies, universes and to help every single being to be sovereign in its own being, without the need for care takers. We are the creative force and upholders of universal love and free will. When allowed to show our inner beings, We are LOVE. We are INSPIRATION. How can anyone possibly think that we are better off as hybrids?

One day you will understand the relative 'sillyness' of your question here.
Now I state 'sillyness' not stupidity - be careful how you choose to judge or interpret my words. Thubans DO NOT JUDGE, they OBSERVE what works and what does not work in the greater context of a galactic-cellular civilisation.

Without ET-hybridisation, you would not have any analytical abstract ability now. It is this which differentiates you from your common ancestry with the great apes.

So you, Sollve could not type intelligently on your computer, where you not right now a Human-ET hybrid.

We as hybrids are only beneficial to our so called ‘wanna be’ care takers. For thousands of years we have been suppressed, not allowed to grow the way we should. Allow us to show our true selves and we will be the care takers of the universe, just as we are intended to be.

Has it really come to this?

You, like many, are an emotional human who is prone to judgements and preemtors, without exercising your faculties of reason and rationality.

My avatar says: THINK BEFORE YOU FLAME!
Perhaps you should consider the wisdom of my avatar.

It has shown from time to time that our hearts can't be enslaved. Is the only step left for the fallen angels to enslave us and make us do their will, to actually take away our uniqueness in some kind of hybridization program?

What do you know of fallen angels; do you understand that YOU are a fallen angel?

Well I guess it's your loss in the long run. One can't help the one who don't want to be helped.

If someone wants to change what is already perfect, the only reason to do so must be to lower that perfectness beneath the perfectness of themselves in order to raise their own perfectness. For example if I'm the second or third tallest man on earth. The only way for me to be the tallest man is to either shrink the ones above me or eliminate them or to actually grow taller. To grow is the only acceptable alternative as the other alternatives includes the sacrifice of others.

In this case you would actually need to accept the fact to be second or third or whatever you see yourself as. We don't look at races or beings as being superior to others. We see them all at their full potential and with the ability to grow to where we are. We are designed to set an example of what can be done and to show the rest what their full potential is all about. You shouldn't look upon us as a threat. We are designed to help and if you don't want to evolve past your current limits, you don't need to. Maybe it's possible for us to build you a playground of your own choice where you can't hurt anyone and certainly not being able to hijack other beings for your own purposes.

So you are already aware of your cosmic design Sollve; if you are then you would not ask the questions you ask, because you would fathom your design.

We are here to help whenever you are ready!

For love and unity throughout the universe!

Sollve

You are helping the cosmic evolution in great honour and sincerity Sollve; one day you shall understand and socialise with Dragons in some Bar upon Thuban.

Shalom from the DragonDen

:arrow: Before you point your finger at ME about using WE. WE are ALL who resonate with ME.

ME=WE also on Thuban - after our master templar Emmanuel Melchisedec E.M.=WE.

AA

beren

02-23-2010, 11:13 AM

Dragon I have a question for you;

Why do you constantly avoid straight answer when questioned?

You elaborate quite long and well but you never answer a question.
That is one more sign that you are not of the light. Your master is not Jesus Christ .
Your master is THE Dragon,liar and the one who rebelled.

The very Christ that you claim that is your Lord said that Pharisee's ,Scribes and all of its kind in the entire universe are of their father-Dragon, who is a liar and murderer from the beginning.
He abandoned truth and love and light for madness and his pride and desire to rule, desire to be God.

If you wish to serve him , that is your wish and that's fine with me.

Everybody has a free will.
But what you sow -that you will reap.

One more thing for people to remember here:

Dragon is talking about genetic hybridization and manipulation, making people into Dragons...
What does that tell you?
Where the bell rings?

To an ancient world made by fallen angels and their offspring that made chaos on earth in those days until their destruction in flood.
When you read the Book of Enoch you find that after their little experiment ,fallen angels actually mourned before Enoch and asked him to bid for them before throne of Glory. They asked Enoch to pray for them in order that Creator grant them mercy.

They were not granted mercy. They thought that they will be pardoned just like that. They spilled blood, destroyed lives, caused much damage and they wanted to come and say :"Father please forgive us..."

Sure Creator could have erased all they did wrong but that would be not responsible of him. That would give an example to the entire creation that they can do as they please because ,anytime,the Father will erase it with a erasing gum and all will be new.
No -Creator did not created his children to be brats. Everybody has to be aware of holynes of life.

The one who became Dragon did exactly oposite of Creator's intention.

Genetic manipulation between species is not allowed by Creator.
You find that when reading in Bible where is stated that whom ever , be it man or woman ,lay with the beast of any kind - is to be destroyed.

Now you see here that this Dragon speaks positively about genetic manipulation. Whom does he represent ?

Creator?

No.

abraxasinas

02-23-2010, 11:31 AM

Hi All!

This message engages the wordings of another initiate, who could be termed a postgraduate human approaching membership within the Council of Thuban. I shall 'colour in' the discourses of Richard T., when so appropriate. Most of the time, Richard T. aka DRACHIR T. {the German word for Dragon translates as DRACHE} presents hisher information as a member of the Thuban Dragonhood and requires little input from myself.

If anyone wishes clarification on the meanings of the statements of Richard T., then I shall answer accordingly.

Continued from #1248:

Originally Posted by Richard T
5)Hello Vorian.

I ask if I make sense to insure the door is opened to opposition. Otherwise, it would be like saying that it is so and you must learn from me.

There is a universal law that says that it is impossible to be intelligent alone. Communication is to allow people recognize they can access intelligence. Unfortunately, people use communication to prove they are intelligent, or to question and seek intelligence in others.

Technically, we should learn from what we say. When I say something, I should be learning something. And this is possible if we realize that we access intelligence rather than think we are intelligent.

And if we do not believe what we say, we ask others to validate through their own access to intelligence.

Sometimes, I wonder if what I say is helpful or if it actually mixes people up.

How is the weather down there?

Cheers.

6)Originally Posted by Richard T
Earth consciousness is currently under the laws of domination. It will be in the hand of another origin in the next evolution, but that will not
happen before the end of this cycle.

Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge
Perhaps I was under the impression that both are in store for evolution. And that they would happen together.

There will be a change in vibration of the planet that will coincide with the reversal of its polarity. Astral energies come to the planet by the North pole. As do solar particles that create the aurora borealis effect. This reversal will push those energies away while accepting energies of another order altogether that have nothing to do with the history of humanity.

Abraxasinas: This poleshift will occur in a multidimensional manner. Should the magnetic polarities reverse and stabilize, then the entire electromagnetic structure of the planet would become disfunctional.
So the magnetic polarity shift in 4D Minkowski Spacetime will be accompanied by a 5D Kaluza-Klein 'polarity' shift at the center of the earth.
This latter occurrence allows the 4D spacetime metric of Gaia to become gravitationally collapsed to a golfball sized Black Hole WITHOUT affecting its lower-D manifestation as say a planet with a perimeter of about 40,000 kilometers.

Following this gravitational collapse of the Earth in Hyperspace will be a 'turning inside out' of the golfball sized Black Hole.
The Black Hole will contain the entire history of the Gaian evolution history in a datastreamed form; say as scifictionalized in Star Trek - The Motion Picture in the V(o)yger data collector.
This movie was authorized and channelled from Thuban by the way.

The Black Hole data absorption/concentration will then become a data emitter, rendering the Black Hole Sink in Hyperspace as a White Hole Data Source in Hyperspace and transmitting the absornbed data of the Gaian- and Humanoid history back out into the universe and its trigger Hunab Ku aka the Sagittarius A* RadioQuasar aka the Galactic Center of the Milky Way.
From then on the HUMAN EXPERIENCE will become 'common property' for all ET races and civilizations as a contextual background HOW NOT TO BE a Galactic Civilization.

The Black Hole - White Hole wormhole tunneling will then rereverse the magnetic polarity shift and the electromagnetic viability of Gaia will become reset.

Evolution is perhaps not what we tend to think, since we think mechanically based on our history and that we project our own psychological understanding onto intelligences and systems that do not evolve psychologically, such as the Earth. The Earth will rise in vibration because of the energy that will be at the base of man's evolution. And that energy comes from the source of the consciousness of man, that is not god, but that is an energy that is radiated by each individual's source, these radiations being called rays of creation by some.

7)Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge Are you a finaliter?
If so, and if you don't mind me asking, when do you experiance your fusion flash?

Hi there

Fusion flash, as you call it, only happens for the greatest descending initiates, such as Bernard.

Abraxasinas: Bernard (James of the Wingmakers is another) is another human graduate and on the highest level of human incarnation preceding Dragonhood.

They create the living proof of their words.

Luckily, we don't have to live this absolute torture in such a massive dose, and fusion for the ascending consciousness is a progressive process.

You will notice that I am careful to what I answer when I reply to questions of a personal nature.
Here is why
There is a universal law by which when a person says something, makes a statement using the 'I', events are automatically created to test the reality behind the words.

So, if I say "I would do this or that if this or that happened" you risk being tested in time. Best is not to brag, and really be certain, without any possibility of a doubt, that what is said, is.

Those events become part of the solar initiation of the individual, where he is tested against any and all forms of psychological failure.

Man cannot decide if and when he is contacted from inside.

It is his cosmic counterpart who initiates the movement.

Abraxasinas: Yes, this is the adjuster aka the 'Higher Self' aka the superconscious self coupled to the Christ-Consciousness.

But they find it extremely difficult to communicate with the mortal because of the huge amount of memories, because of the density of astral energy, because of the insecurity of the ego and of his spirituality, and mostly because of the personalization of the reflective process.

The ego must then prepare himself by starting to pay attention.

Abraxasinas: This is the Christmas Wish of Thuban.

And paying attention requires him to be aware that all the artifacts that are part of his planetary consciousness are a game to steer his evolution.

This brings him to depersonalized the impressions that result from the experience over time, according to his capacity to support the loss of his false identity, that comes often with the loss of the impression of control over his life, and that has the tendency to create an impression of failure in the ego.

And the ego must realize faith in his reality and know that he is not failing, but that work is being done to increase his vibration.

The less he is impressed psychologically by the experience, the less he implicates himself in the experience, the more the experience can be increased in dosage and the more he is bombarded by thoughts, fears, and soul pulsations, who seek to bring him back to instinctual behavior.

All is a question of internal strength and all is a question of not believing, of not taking one's life seriously, but rather to be serious about it.

Some people cannot watch a movie without being traumatized.

How will they fare when the world collapse around them?

And this is where it comes together.

Man must learn to not be impressionable. Then, as he does his part, he allows the other side to do its part.

Abraxasinas: Many on this forum and thread would be well adviced to take this to heart.

But they do their part on their time, and we must use our time effectively.

As for where we are, we always are where we are supposed to be. But they just don't tell us always.

The only reason why man does not know his future is because he would not accept it, he would feel that life is not worth being lived, and it is extremely important to those forces that man lives the life he is meant to live, until the work is done.

Does this help at all?

Richard

Abraxasinas: One can discern in expectation Drachir TKB.

AA

ellie

02-23-2010, 11:34 AM

This thread is getting beyond a joke as far as length goes. I have to tab to the end of the computer screen to find the latest pages of posts. I know it might be a bit of a stupid gripe but it is becoming annoying. Isn't there some way to break it up somehow?

Beren at least I can follow what you say in your posts. When you quote scripture I know what I am reading, it is easy to understand and follow. I really would like to, having a curious mind about esoteric philosophy know exactly where Abrax is coming from, but alas it is just too difficult for me to sort out.

I do have a question Abrax and I hope this has not been asked before but I am not wading through these pages and pages of posts..............that question is does the Thuban Council agree with the Mayan date of 21 December 2012 being the end date for life as we know it..........or transition to 5th D at that time................and please Abrax try not to answer me in high cryptic or symbology or numerology I just want the layman's answer for this one please.

Thank you.

abraxasinas

02-23-2010, 11:40 AM

abraxasinas

02-23-2010, 11:42 AM

Hello, Abrax,

I have a serious question for you.
I am interested what you/Thuban think about HUMOR?
What is humor?
Were it came from?
Are dragons laugh?

Please, do not answer me in numbers or equations, only words if possible.

I repeat: I am quite serious.

Love&Respect

Do YOU have HUMOR Oliver?

You are a Dragon in disguise Oliver.
Does this answer your question?

AA

ellie

02-23-2010, 11:42 AM

On December 21st 2012, a gestation period of 265 days will end and the Baby of the Starhumanity will be born WITHIN everyone incarnated in the Earth-Plane.
A period of Weaning for a 'Collective Groupmind' AS the 'Christmas' core will then continue and end scriptural prophecy on August 4th, 2013.

AA

Well in that case I hope to see the end of war, famine, homelessness, cruelty, everything like that gone, let's hope so.

abraxasinas

02-23-2010, 11:50 AM

Dragon I have a question for you;

Why do you constantly avoid straight answer when questioned?

Sure Beren; but show and quote me a question such as this and I shall answer it. I sometimes overlook questions and this is my fault indeed.
About 'straight' answers; if one asks a complex question, then the Nature of a Dragon is NOT to simply say yes or no, but to place the answer in a more meaningful context of the complexity of the question asked.

Now, before judging this, recall I qualified my words in 'complex question' engaging context, such as monotribal commentary or similar.
If you ask me, if I eat little children, I can say NO, I don't.
If you ask me about what the Mayan calendar means or what the mind is or what such and such scripture implies, then a simple yes or no often does not suffice.

You elaborate quite long and well but you never answer a question.
That is one more sign that you are not of the light. Your master is not Jesus Christ .
Your master is THE Dragon,liar and the one who rebelled.

The very Christ that you claim that is your Lord said that Pharisee's ,Scribes and all of its kind in the entire universe are of their father-Dragon, who is a liar and murderer from the beginning.
He abandoned truth and love and light for madness and his pride and desire to rule, desire to be God.

If you wish to serve him , that is your wish and that's fine with me.

Everybody has a free will.
But what you sow -that you will reap.

One more thing for people to remember here:

Dragon is talking about genetic hybridization and manipulation, making people into Dragons...
What does that tell you?
Where the bell rings?

To an ancient world made by fallen angels and their offspring that made chaos on earth in those days until their destruction in flood.
When you read the Book of Enoch you find that after their little experiment ,fallen angels actually mourned before Enoch and asked him to bid for them before throne of Glory. They asked Enoch to pray for them in order that Creator grant them mercy.

They were not granted mercy. They thought that they will be pardoned just like that. They spilled blood, destroyed lives, caused much damage and they wanted to come and say :"Father please forgive us..."

Sure Creator could have erased all they did wrong but that would be not responsible of him. That would give an example to the entire creation that they can do as they please because ,anytime,the Father will erase it with a erasing gum and all will be new.
No -Creator did not created his children to be brats. Everybody has to be aware of holynes of life.

The one who became Dragon did exactly oposite of Creator's intention.

Genetic manipulation between species is not allowed by Creator.
You find that when reading in Bible where is stated that whom ever , be it man or woman ,lay with the beast of any kind - is to be destroyed.

Now you see here that this Dragon speaks positively about genetic manipulation. Whom does he represent ?

Creator?

No.

Your superconsciousness is awakening Beren - take notice of your dreams in the next few nights or so - you shall be visited by the one you love.

AA

SABINA

02-23-2010, 12:05 PM

]Again, Dragonhood MEANS the manifestation of a Fourth Merkabah-Brain, supplementing the Reptilian brainstem of the First Level and the Mammalian midbrain of the Second Level and the Human Cortex of the Third Level.[/SIZE]
This then brings the LINEAR evolution of the old human merkabah to an end and RECIRCULARISES your reptilian brainstem with your starhuman perceptions, accessing your 'obscured' superconsciousness.

This then is the TRU meaning of the Ouroboros, the Milky Way abd the Zodiac in the Serpent who swallows its own tail.
All of you are Ouroboros and all of you are Serpent-Tamers under the 13th starsign of Ophiuchus transforming the Scorpio of John into the Eagle of John.

AA[/QUOTE]

dear abrax,
is the halo in art significant to the "recirculares" our reptilian brainstem?
Jesus has mostly a halo arround his head like other saints

Oliver

02-23-2010, 12:09 PM

Do YOU have HUMOR Oliver?

You are a Dragon in disguise Oliver.
Does this answer your question?

AA

Dear Abrax,
So, you think your answer is funny? Come on..! You tried to put some logical manipulation, not knowing that humor has nothing to do with the logic.

The way of your answering is telling me that you dragons/thubans do not have sense of humor nor you understand it and it`s powers. I am sorry to say this, i posted these questions exactly to see what will be the reaction. I hoped you will answer with humor, which would be the best way, and would tell me something positive about dragons.

Don`t be scared from humor, Abrax...I am not making jokes with you. Humor has the power to release enormous quantity of Love since it`s source is Love itself. I will explain to you this some other time, if you wish.

Now, I am dragon in disguise? Well, this is probably the best joke you made in your life. Not intentional, of course.
No, my friend, I am not a dragon, and you are also not a dragon, you are just a human, still not conscious about your human powers.

As you know, I have nothing against you, I defended your rights to share what you have to say, and will continue that if necessary...but hey, relax, man, don`t take it so serious. Laugh a bit...:winksmiley02:

Love&Respect

abraxasinas

02-23-2010, 12:11 PM

Again, Dragonhood MEANS the manifestation of a Fourth Merkabah-Brain, supplementing the Reptilian brainstem of the First Level and the Mammalian midbrain of the Second Level and the Human Cortex of the Third Level.
This then brings the LINEAR evolution of the old human merkabah to an end and RECIRCULARISES your reptilian brainstem with your starhuman perceptions, accessing your 'obscured' superconsciousness.

This then is the TRUE meaning of the Ouroboros, the Milky Way abd the Zodiac in the Serpent who swallows its own tail.
All of you are Ouroboros and all of you are Serpent-Tamers under the 13th starsign of Ophiuchus transforming the Scorpio of John into the Eagle of John.

AA

Yes indeed dear Sabina; the Halo of Divinity is the Dragon-Brain.
A wonderful observation of yours as a dragon tamer and allowing me a simple answer of yes.

Alles Liebe

Abraxas Anthony

dear abrax,
is the halo in art significant to the "recirculares" our reptilian brainstem?
Jesus has mostly a halo arround his head like other saints[/QUOTE]

abraxasinas

02-23-2010, 12:13 PM

Dear Abrax,
So, you think your answer is funny? Come on..! You tried to put some logical manipulation, not knowing that humor has nothing to do with the logic.

The way of your answering is telling me that you dragons/thubans do not have sense of humor nor you understand it and it`s powers. I am sorry to say this, i posted these questions exactly to see what will be the reaction. I hoped you will answer with humor, which would be the best way, and would tell me something positive about dragons.

Don`t be scared from humor, Abrax...I am not making jokes with you. Humor has the power to release enormous quantity of Love since it`s source is Love itself. I will explain to you this some other time, if you wish.

Now, I am dragon in disguise? Well, this is probably the best joke you made in your life. Not intentional, of course.
No, my friend, I am not a dragon, and you are also not a dragon, you are just a human, still not conscious about your human powers.

As you know, I have nothing against you, I defended your rights to share what you have to say, and will continue that if necessary...but hey, relax, man, don`t take it so serious. Laugh a bit...:winksmiley02:

Love&Respect

No Oliver, my answer wasn't meant to be funny.
It is simply the case that you cannot remember what you are.
I am telling you the truth.

AA

Oliver

02-23-2010, 12:19 PM

No Oliver, my answer wasn't meant to be funny.
It is simply the case that you cannot remember what you are.
I am telling you the truth.

AA

Nope, Abrax, you are telling me YOUR truth.
I know who I am.
And I have no problems with that.
You have.

bigmo

02-23-2010, 12:25 PM

I do have a question Abrax and I hope this has not been asked before but I am not wading through these pages and pages of posts..............

ellie,

Look at this thread as reading a short novel. It really is worth the effort as you will likely never encountered a Q&A such as this on any forum and may never again.

You could be part of history in the making ellie!... hehe

Peace

Spregovori

02-23-2010, 12:56 PM

And I can not write what some of my scans have shown me about this thread and some of the participants.

As one of the participants of this thread - may I please be scanned? You have my full permission to publicly publish/write here in this thread/forum anything your scans show/tell/say/ about me. Do not let nothing hold you back.

abraxasinas

02-23-2010, 01:01 PM

As one of the participants of this thread - may I please be scanned? You have my full permission to publicly publish/write here in this thread/forum anything your scans show/tell/say/ about me. Do not let nothing hold you back.

Now this is Dragon Humor!

AA

orthodoxymoron

02-23-2010, 03:01 PM

If the Devil Himself (or Herself) tried to become a Good-Guy or Good-Gal...some of us would try to crucify them...rather than try to assist them on their new path. I keep saying that I want No Gods...and that the first and last commandment should be 'Thou Shalt Have No Gods'. This goes for All Gods...good and evil. I don't discriminate. I also keep saying that, at some point, I would like to share a bottle of fine wine with Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer...and I mean it...even if they are Draconian Reptilians. I'd even have a beer with Satan. I want all of the Bad-Guys and Bad-Gals to become Good-Guys and Good-Gals...but will the sanctimonious and triumphalistic Do-Gooders allow this to occur? Even Jesus was courteous and respectful when he talked to the Devil (the God of This World) face to face. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6eTbhHE0jM Viewer discretion advised on the next link - actual exorcism http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Te8TtFu294A&feature=related Who are you gonna call? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyRqR56aCKc Can't we all just get along? Why is this so hard?

:sneaky2:Namaste:original:

bigmo

02-23-2010, 03:27 PM

gscraig

02-23-2010, 04:35 PM

truthseeker

02-23-2010, 05:21 PM

Hi there everybody,

I had hoped to be asking Abraxas some more questions by now, or at least elaborations on my earlier questions (see post 939). However, it looks as if this will have to wait for a bit.

It appears that this thread has once again fallen into a polarity of views (those for and against this thread and its author), as it did back in January. However, this time, with the aid of one particularly strong minded and eloquent poster, the polarization now seems even more extreme.

In my last post on this thread, I finished with the following, which seems very pertinent, again, to the conflict and opposition that has become so evident, once more, here at Avalon: -

It seems to be difficult for many here at Avalon, and elsewhere within the alternative and conspiratorial communities, to grasp that science and spirit are one, and do not need to be continuously at odds with each other. However, it is just such a polarity between fixed beliefs and opinions that has become so evident within this and so many other threads here at Avalon. There are many diverse opinions and beliefs held here by the contributors to this forum, just as there are out there in the real world. We seem to have a need to find certainty within the scientific, philosophical, political, religious and spiritual frameworks that we come to adopt during the varying phases of our individual life-cycles. This is both natural and human. However, it becomes extremely hard for us to even begin to let go of a given perspective on truth and reality that has seemingly proven itself to us. We thus hang on to the old perspective and resist any new approaches for far longer than we need to.

Abraxas, you have clearly unsettled quite a few contributors here with your presentation from the Thuban Council combined with your own scientific understandings. Hence the defensiveness and hostility you have received here from many at Avalon. We all feel very uncomfortable when yet another perspective arrives to challenge the one we are currently adopting. We often then become defensive of our own presently adopted set of opinions and beliefs and hostile toward the new perspective being presented to us.

Personally, I take your message (and anybody else’s) at face value and have no reason to doubt that you truly believe this information is coming directly from the Thuban Council. Who am I to judge? I merely weigh what you say up against other things that I have learned, and think I know, and then try to use my discernment and discretion. Of course, I rarely, if ever, have a final answer!

I certainly do not feel that you are either a fraud or a disinformation agent, as some seem to believe. I sense that you are presenting your own wisdom as experienced and received. It is, of course, possible that some of this information has been distorted by either your own personality or by the Thuban Council itself. Indeed, the latter could have its own agenda, unbeknownst to you or anyone else. This is clearly what many here at Avalon seem to suspect. However, the same can be said for any other transmitted or channeled source, including that of Ashayana Deanne, which many here seem to hold in, what I believe to be, an unreasonably high regard. I fail to understand why folk are so willing to accept her work as pure and untainted and yet believe your own transmissions are so tainted. I guess it is all a matter of belief and opinion in the end? That is until such time as any one particular approach can be clearly shown to be true or false.

Others here might think you are simply deluded. However, such could equally be said of most of the personalities presented both at Camelot and Avalon. Whilst that might be the case with a few of the whistle blowers and witnesses interviewed by Kerry and Bill, in my humble opinion, I do not feel this is the case with either yourself or many others.

In addition to the above, I do not really buy into this idea that Abraxas and his ilk (the Thuban Council) are some kind of evil reptilian or demonic entities. However, even if Abraxas is either or both of these, or the ‘Devil’ himself, I would still be asking him questions about his perspective on humanity and the reality in which we live. By asking him questions, I am not necessarily accepting all that he and his Thuban Council state to be true. Indeed, though there is much wisdom here, in my view, I still have lots of questions about the material he has presented here and am far from convinced that what he presents is the whole truth of things. But then, as already stated, I extend a similar view, to a greater or lesser degree, to virtually every other perspective and framework I have ever heard presented, whether here at Avalon, at Camelot or elsewhere. The suggestion that I and others are mesmerized by Abraxas as he strokes our individual ego’s, simply because we engage in constructive dialogue with him, is to my mind rather melodramatic. Whether he is truly a dragon or not, I do not know? However, to my mind, whatever else he is, or indeed any of us are, he is most certainly a fellow human being with all the usual imperfections that such entails. I am sure Abraxas himself would acknowledge this. As for any other human being, I do feel their is an onus on us to treat him with respect, whether we actually agree with him or not.

As a serious student of astrology, I can not help but wonder if this polarization and conflict, as expressed on this thread, is not yet another manifestation of the ongoing Saturn-Uranus opposition. This began in 2008 and will finally come to an end later this year (2010), when these two planets make their last two exact oppositions to each other in April (Virgo-Pisces polarity) and July (Libra-Aries polarity) respectively. This clear polarization of ideas and perspectives on this Thuban thread is, to my mind, but one expression of this conflict that has or is being expressed here in this microcosm of the Avalon Forum. Others include the St. Clair-Camelot, Burisch-Camelot, Greer-Camelot, High-Camelot & Ryan-Cassidy (re. Kinsumei and the Heather material) conflicts. I also see comparable microcosmic conflicts and polarizations in my own life; in my place of work; with some particularly difficult neighbours of ours; and in relationships with certain member of my wider family. It is also clear that this same conflict and polarization is occurring in the wider world of politics (e.g. right wing-left wing and moderate-extremist conflicts), religion (e.g. Muslim-Zionist conflict) and science (e.g. main stream science-alternative science conflict) as well.

It would be nice to see some resolution too all this conflict, personal and collective, in the near future. Perhaps this will begin to occur this summer when structured and disciplined Saturn (in Libra) and unpredictable and changeable Uranus (in Aries) oppose each other for the last time in July-August of this year. At that time both of these planets also form an approximate 90° angle (a square aspect) to deeply transformative Pluto (in Capricorn). Expansive and escalating Jupiter also joins the fray when it conjoins with Uranus in Aries at that time (June-August). Even the assertive warrior, Mars, and harmonious peace-maker, Venus, join the scene for a short while in late July (Mars) to early August (Mars and Venus) as they both conjoin with Saturn in Libra, in its opposition to the Arien Uranus-Jupiter conjunction. With Pluto at the apex of this astrological configuration (known as a ‘T-Square’) it is likely going to be a key player in this up and coming astrological scenario. When the Moon opposes Pluto from Cancer on 6th/7th August 2010, we may then begin to see some kind of breaking point for this volatile configuration (with the Moon in Cancer it becomes what astrologers call a ‘Cardinal Grand Cross’). The Moon, when applied to the collective of humanity, represents the common people in conflict with, and in opposition to, the ‘Powers That Be’ (PTB), who are best represented in this configuration by the Libran Saturn (the status quo) and the Capricornian Pluto (the secretive power elite behind the governments of our world) as they square each other (was exact on 15th November 2009 and on 31st January 2010 and will finally do so again on 21st August 2010). The Arien Jupiter-Uranus conjunction has the feel of a massive (Jupiter) unpredictable (Uranus), and potentially destructive, revolution about it, something that could hurt both the common people and the PTB. Mars with Saturn suggests draconian (no offence meant, Abraxas) actions coming from the PTB (such as martial law), though Venus’ presence there too might help appease such actions somewhat.

So the conflicts here on this thread, at Avalon in general and in the wider world, do seem to be reflecting the astrological dynamics of our time. However, whether such conflicts and polarizations are resolved or not, here and elsewhere, will ultimately depend on our individual and collective levels of consciousness. So, this year, 2010, does seem to be offering us an opportunity to begin to make some changes for the better. What better place to start than from both within ourselves as individuals and as a small group of people who meet here in cyberspace on this Avalon forum.

So now would be a great time to stop the irrational, and to my mind baseless, accusations of lies, delusions or evil intentions that have so clearly been expressed, toward Abraxas, by so many of you on this fascinating thread. I think many of you need to take a closer look at yourselves before pointing fingers at others. Having said that, I would also like to thank you all (those so vehemently opposed to Abraxas) for their contributions. It would seem that this polarization of thought and the conflict it has created is part of a process that we all need to work through at this time. So thank you all for helping bring this entire dynamic to the full attention of myself and others who read this thread.

In my own case, you are truly a reflection of my own shadow self; my self-denials and my projections.

As within, so without! As below, so above!

Best Wishes

Truthseeker (Andrew)

GaiaLove

02-23-2010, 05:25 PM

...
You are here to provide the truth of all things for humanity to understand, so surely your initiative and approval to communicate such information would have begun with the above entities first and foremost. Long before an outreach effort to a fraction of a whole website such as Project Avalon was initiatated.

THAT is it in a nutshell, I look forward
to seeing this response. though a
straight answer is not likely
in my opinion. It appears
to me our beloved
Lightworkers
have had
enough.
:wub2:

Oliver

02-23-2010, 05:29 PM

Abraxas,
One more thing only to be known:

In your first reply to my questions, you wrote that I am "Dragon in disguise", which implicite that I am cosciosely hiding my real "face...
Than, in your second reply, you wrote: "It is simply the case that you cannot remember what you are", which means, now, that I have no idea of "being" Dragon.

I am alowing this confusion to be some kind of dragonian sense of humor.
Have nice trip.

abraxasinas

02-23-2010, 05:33 PM

Abraxas,

Almost every post you make raises more questions in my mind. There is so much info on this thread now that it is becoming difficult to re-trace ones steps to find the pertinent post for a particular question. So I have decided to write down questions as I read your post so I can address them immediately before something new pops up.

As always thanks for your input.

If the starhuman is to be conceived on or about April 1, 2012 then there must be a courtship occurring as we speak. Can you describe this?

Yes bigmo, the conception of starhumanity on April 1st, 2012 describes the archetype of the Creator 'making love' to his Creation, just as was the case BEFORE the universe was conceived in archetype (or spirit) before space and time were defined in mathematical 'abstraction' of the Logos=Word.

So it was the Word=LOVECHILD which became the Conception of what is called God=Prime Creator=All That Is=Source of Everything etc.
But as there was no time, the conception of the LOGOS by ITSELF coupled to a form of Chaos=Undefined God instantaneously (so DEFINING what TIME is as a Quantum Selfstate for Space and Time and all other physical parameters by association) DEFINED the CREATION as a Sheness in archetypical polarity to the Heness of God thus defined.

John 1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

So Michael, now you have the archetyped differentiation between He=Creator=Void=Infinity=Mind=Wave=Yang and She=Creation=Universe=Body=Particularisation=Yin and AS COUPLED by the LOVECHILD, called CHRIST say.

This is happenstance in 'spirit' of symbols and archetypes (a reference is say the Ideal Forms of Plato).

This also allows the LATER incarnated Jesus Christ to assume the function of this Logos and to say: "Before Abraham was, I Am!" and similar 'arrogant' sayings in the Gospel of Thomas and the scriptures, such as: "I Am the Life and the Way and the Resurrection and the Truth" and "Noone comes to the Father, but by me."

Now, as the 'only begotten'; this Conception of the Lovechild as ONE will be the conception of the same Lovechild as the MANY.
This then will DEFINE the 'Second Coming' in the Birth of the Manyness of Christ in whoever is incarnated on the planet at that time and will also allow incarnation in ALL disincarnate or 'dying' or 'being born' entites throughout the entire universe.

The saying in Revelation.14. exemplifies this:
12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

After the starhuman is weaned in Aug. 2013 then scriptural prophecy has been completed. If I was in a coma from 2007 until September 2013 and miraculously awoke. How would the world look different to me as I gazed out my hospital window?

If awakening from a coma, the physical 3D world would not look any different, except that the addition of a 4th spacial dimension will BLEND the now veiled astral dimensions (where many of the discarnates and the dead and many ET intelligences are) with the now experienced 3D spacial reality.

Allow me to give you a very simple analogy, which might allow you to fathom the actual science and physics of this.

Imagine yourself to be an ant crawling around the INSIDE of a blown up balloon.
You have a distinct surface area you can crawl over as the Inside of this balloon.

If you were an ant on the OUTSIDE of this balloon the surface area would be the same (provided there is no thickness of the balloon in materiality).
What will happen on December 21st, 2012, is that there will be made a hole into this balloon (this is the incoming energy, erroneously physicalised as Nibiru, a Comet or asteroid or the binary brown dwarf Nemesis as a second sun by many 'New Agers').

So what can you as the ant do now?
You can crawl through the hole from the INSIDE and so meet your say 'image ant' from the OUTSIDE in a Doubled surface area.

This 'doubling of things' will also double the space the Gaian 3D observers and measures can access (as a minimum extension).
So then the 'lightbody' of the resurrected Jesus will become multiplied in the materialisation of the Lovechild within anyone able to handle the 'energies'.

Again, EVERYONE will become SEEDED, like the kernel of a peach by the now present physicality of the human bodyform; but there will be then a SOFTNESS about this Old Human Body and just like the 'flesh of the peach' around the solid and hard core.

This 'doubling' has many many effects and consequences, some of which I have already described.
One very important effect will be the Doubling of the Original Creator-Creation duality in the archetypes (remember the scenario BEFORE the universe itself was born so 19.1 billion years ago in linearity).

So the He=Creator=MindWave will 'double' in allowing the 'Lost Kingdom' to return as a real Shadow and as the HeShe=CreatorCreation=MindWaveBodyParticle=YangYin =-+ etc. etc.
Corollarily the Old Creation will become a SheHe=CreationCreator=BodyParticleMindWave=YinYang =+- etc.

This is termed the Dragonomy or Heavenly Wedding of the Old Archetypes of Separation/Distortion becoming New Archetypes of Unity/Symmetry.

What you speak of has profound implications across the entire spectrum of humanity and truly includes all and everyone. Why would this little backwater of public space be chosen as opposed to outlets that can reach millions of people?

I have explained this before in generality and except saying that the present mental climate of the globe is polarised in a rather peculiar way (I'll explain shortly), I do not know. I am only the messenger for this data from the Logos. I am not the author of it, albeit its translator.

The peculiar mental polarisations are somewhat like this:

1. The Brotherhood of the Serpent; say the interface between the collective KNOWN database of humanity in interface with the astral ET agendas. This is termed the PTB here and this highest level of humanities nous is NOT polarised, but pretty much would understand most of what I am sharing here. It actually is THEIR agenda as well and this is one reason that the THuban label is potent and true - it dovetails with all the 'secrets' of the PTB.

2. The OPEN global polarisation between say the 'Supernatural Believers' and the Skeptic/Atheist societies.
The former encompasses all religious dogmas, especially the Teleevangelists and the proselytizing 'denominations'. It also includes all forms of what is called orthodox religions, might these be Islamic, Christian, Buddhistic or whatever.
The latter are the scientific rationalists, the atheistic societies, agnostics and so on.

Now recall, that the PTB of 1. are NOT polarised and it is these PTB, which foster and 'feed' (by popular media and such) this polarisation.

3. The HIDDEN global polarisation between the 'Alternatives', the New Age groups and the participants in forums such as this one.

The expression of the human egocentricity varies across the groups 1.2.3.

1. Expresses a dominating Unified perspective of say 'hidden control'.
2. Expresses a structure of Belief; either in a supernatural intervention in the future of this planet WITH a 'all conquering' spirituality OR a belief in the 'inevitable progress' of a 'all conquering' science WITHOUT any 'Spirituality'.
3. Expresses a structure of nondominating Unified perspective of say 'open noncontrol'.

Now to disseminate this Thuban data stream is practically futile in 2; due to the OPEN polarisation between what the factions understand 'spirituality' to mean.
As you can witness here; one cannot 'with words' or intellectually 'teach an old believer dog' any new tricks.
Corollarily, one cannot 'with words' or intellectually 'teach an old nonbeliever dog' any new tricks, if those words imply the reality of the 'spirit'.

The 'supernaturalist' will label the 'rational word' as the words of the Devil and the 'antisupernaturalist' (or rationalistic skeptic say) will label the 'irrational word' (of the spirit) as the work of an irrational mind.

To disseminate the Thuban data stream in 1 is also futile, as access to any recipients is denied by the 'hiddenness' in an OPEN way.

So the Thuban data stream is 'forced' to share the information with 3; despite the general unfamiliarity of the recipients with the technical data (which 1 and the skeptic faction of 2 would understand) and the many members in 3, which eschew the data belonging in content to the beliver faction of 2.

I joined this forum on Christmas Day 2009 to trigger this data sharing and which was prepared in physical implementation from August 4th, 2008.

I was banned and did not think any more of it, but sent an explanatory request for the reason of the banning to the moderators. To my surprise, I was reinstated and because of this, I then began to receive the Thuban authorisation to represent the Council as its translating agency.

Is there something ‘unique’ about the participants at Avalon that the Thuban Council recognized which caused them to choose this site to start their dispensation through Abraxas?

I do not know Michael. I did not even know about the December 25th, date. I am guided by Thuban and truly simply relay the messages and the data (from a database constructed over 26 years admittedly, albeit infused day-by-day by information and guidance of how to answer these questions).
In a real sense what will happen next is not in my capacity to control or influence in any way.
Many would like me to leave and in many ways I would not mind to end this. It is a day-to-day eventfulness.
If no more questions are asked I shall not answer or post; so it is up to the participants of this thread and forum, if this data stream continues.

If the ‘end of scriptural prophecy’ as imminent as you suggest, then when will the 144,000 take up their cloaks and begin their ministry?

They have already done so Michael and you might be one of them - only you and your 'adjuster' aka 'Higher Guidance Self' or Christ-Consciousness can answer this.

Explain what you mean by the 1st order of participants in the 2nd coming and who they might be?

The 1st Order are the archetypes, however manifested, BEFORE the universe emerged just from this manifestation - turning the metaphysicality into physicality. However this 'split' the hitherto unified Creator-Creation Unity into Two - one the Source-Sender and the other the Sink-Receiver.

Are their other dispensation localities that the Thuban are using to disseminate their information and can you speak of these and where they are located?

No not at the moment, as this is a period of preparation (of the 144,000 say - remember the caveat of how this number is extended in assimilation of the apostolic circle however). There is a crucial date of March 28th, 2011 however where one prophetic cycle ends and another (he Noahic One) begins. Then there will be a kind of end of a 'witnessing' which will begin on December 8th, 2011 and 40 days after a known 'Mayan enddate' of Johan Calleman as October 28th, 2011.
My information is, that from December 8th, 2011 many of the 144,000 will have remembered their missions, tasks and responsibilities.

Am I correct is saying that the ‘collapsed’ Logos within me as the Christ Consciousness can only ‘expand’ in my recognition that I am too that Christ Consciousness? (sorry I couldn’t figure out how to word it any better).

You said it very well and thew answer is yes. You must participate in the resurrection event as your own rebirth from Old Bigmo into New Bigmo.
However, as soon as you experience remebrance, the Logos within you will communicate with you and, as said FULL remembrance might occur from December 8th, 2011. Full remembrance is NOT possible before that date however, but partial remembrance of course is.

Since the Thuban Council has chosen Avalon as a release point of their information, what are their expectations from the membership of this forum or thread?

There are no expectations. The prime directive of the Logos as the Definition part of Prime Source is to absolutely honour and crystallize the INDIVIDUALITY and UNIQUENESS of itself in the Manyness within the Oneness.
So you as Michael are an UNIQUE and IRREPLACABLE part of God and through your adjustor you will realise your Godhood and Identity as the Cosmic Adam of the precreation. Iow the ADAM in the bible (as 2nd order creation image) is the Old bigmo and also the ADAMEVE of the 1st order of creation. You and everyone IS ADAMEVE as the PERFECT IMAGE of GODDOG=CREATORCREATION in the unified unphysicalised Monad.

Can you explain the significance if any of your avatar?

Well there is the Whiteness of the Feminine and the Blackness of the Masculine. The Dog is ANUBIS=KHAIBIT=SHADOW as the guide of the dead in Egyptian lore as the 'Protector of the Sarcophagus'.
Anubis is also Anubia and Lucifer is also Lucifera and Satan is also Satania.

God looks at the ballon from OUTSIDE and sees Himself as Satan.
God looks inside the ballon and sees Michael as Adam.
Adam looks at the backside of Satan from the INSIDE and sees the Devil.

So Satan relative to God as the 'adversary' or 'court prosecutor' or 'Devil's Advocate' is the Devil relative to Adam=Michael the ant.

God can USE Adam to for all time 'get rid' of his false image of Satan as a male image of himself.
God wants his creation back, lost when Adam was put inside the lost kingdom of the universe as God's Goddess.

Should Adam=Michael REALISE that HE is the Image of God WITHIN; then Adam=Jesus Christ can look the DEVIL as his own Image 'in the eye' and say: "You are a fake-image of myself and a man-created false image for the real God, my true father ABBA, which is in exile OUTSIDE this creation.
Then the MIRROR of the ILLUSIONS will simply shatter and this will be the 'hole in the balloon=universe of Bigmo, the ant.
Then the DEVIL will be no more and the REAL GODDESS, namely the UNIVERSE=CREATION (in archetype) will be able to SEXCHANGE the SATAN image and the DRAGQUEEN of the DEVIL=SATAN will become the GODDESS SATANIA and imaged in the Goddess LUCIFERA, archetyped in MaryMagdalene and imaged in the EVES of the cosmos as ambassadoras for the exiled universe's HOMECOMING via the archetyped GAIA.

Thanks and Peace to you Abraxas

Bigmo

Thanking You Michael of the Big Dragonheart.

Abraxas Anthony

viking

02-23-2010, 05:37 PM

mudra

02-23-2010, 05:37 PM

Something to meditate upon ...

64JKIg_vl6s

Love Always
mudra

abraxasinas

02-23-2010, 05:54 PM

Abrax

This will be my only request/interaction with you. I will not expend any additional energy on this thread, as I started out doing after I first viewed it.

Please provide/post/link any and all dated documents/passports/correspondence you have in your possession detailing your attempts to submit your information for review and/or discussion with, but not limited to the following entities;

- All Heads of Church (all denominations) globally
- All World Leaders
- All Heads of Science Institutions/Community
- All Heads of Biblical Scholar Institutions
- All Alternative Media Outlets
- All Archaelogical Institutes globally

We can start with these six outlined above.

It does not matter if you were turned away or shunned, it is the "attempt" that I am seeking.

You are here to provide the truth of all things for humanity to understand, so surely your initiative and approval to communicate such information would have begun with the above entities first and foremost. Long before an outreach effort to a fraction of a whole website such as Project Avalon was initiatated.

I think a window of 24 hrs would be a sufficient amount of time to respond to this request?
According to the World Clock is currently 11:34 am Eastern Pacific time. Please provide correspondence to the above aforementioned by 11:34 am Eastern Pacific- Wednesday February 23, 2010

Thanks in advance,

gscraig

Dear gscraig!

The Thuban council has not and never will seek publicity from any of the institutions or communities you have mentioned.
There are a number of publications, representing earlier groundwork by the owner of the website: www.tonyb.freeyellow.com (http://www.tonyb.freeyellow.com) which can be found in journals and publications.
All these however, whilst used by the Council of Thuban, do not directly relate to it.

A number of scientific papers, such as critique of the Haramein-Rauscher Cosmology are found at:
http://www.wbabin.net/papers.htm

Tony Bermanseder:
Added Dec. 23, 2009: Genesis of the Genesis (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder10.pdf)
Added Apr. 7, 2009: Where Does Mass Come From? (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder9.pdf)
Added Mar. 5, 2009: Monatomic Superconductivity in the Alchemy of the Stability of the Nucleus (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder8.pdf)
Added Jan. 26, 2009: The Rotational Dynamics in Haramein-Rauscher Metrics and the Monopolic Current (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder7.pdf)
Added Jan. 15, 2009: A Newtonian-Einstein-De Sitter Universe in Cosmological Mirror-super-Symmetry (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder6.pdf)
Added Jan. 1, 2009: The Nature and Origin of Dark Energy (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder5.pdf)
Added Dec. 2, 2008: Algorithmic Elementary Constants for a Physical Finite Universe (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder4.pdf)
Added Nov. 18, 2008: The Mystery of Gravitation and the Elementary Graviton Loop (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder3.pdf)
Added Dec. 15, 2005: Some Elementary Initial Conditions for Francom Adjacency (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder2.pdf)
Added Dec. 14, 2005: The λ/m-Hamiltonian In Hitoshi Kitada's Treatment of Quantum Relativistic Time (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder.pdf)
Added Dec. 14, 2005: Boundary Parameters Under Modular Duality of Quantum Relativity (http://www.wbabin.net/science/bermanseder1.pdf)

Other publications related to the linked primary website are:NEMESIS; DIE WOCHE; MAGICK; THE HARP-THERAPY JOURNAL.

The Harp-Journal is run by Sarajane Willamson and is is one of the latest publications.
Here is another request of Sarajane about DNA data (to Tony Bermanseder NOT the Council of Thuban, which is INDEPENDENT on this agency, often acting on our behalf) and his reply via a 2000 year submission to the Eureka Foundation of the Australian Museum.

Hi Tony,

Thank you so much for the wonderful article and commentary. What a nice way to be greeted in the morning and so nice to have my understanding of the way things work validated. I just wish I had a better grasp of quantum physics/math to fully appreciate the richness of your commentary – but I get the gist. Please keep the insights coming this way.
On another note, there’s a question that’s been rolling around in my head for years and I’m not even sure how to articulate it or if it will make sense to you, but will try to here:

Aside from providing a “blueprint” for cellular replication, does DNA have the energetic (or physical) capacity to somehow become a carrier for unfulfilled hopes/desires/talents or karmic issues of our ancestors? Then the “gene expression” would become apparent in a later generation??? Or if at all valid, does this idea have to do more with energetic/soul group resonance? Conversely, if healing DNA “healing or growth” occurs in present day does that have an effect on the spiritual/energetic essence of our ancestors?

Thanks again. Have a lovely day!

Hi Sarajane!

It's all about what is behind the physical manifestation of the DNA/RNA in the scientifically measurable sense.
The biochemistry is expressed in the ordinary Crick-Watson-Franklin double-helix but there is a higher dimensional expression, which you can google as Curtis pentagonal DNA.

http://www.curtisdna.com/ (http://www.curtisdna.com/)

This then defines a longrange translational and longrange rotational decagonal (double-pentagon) symmetry found also in Penrose tiling patterns and Shechtmanite quasi crystals.
The membrane physics of Quantum Relativity is then based on this same geometry in the gauge Planckstring transformations.

So what this means is, that the higherD DNA/RNA becomes a pure mathematical encoding not requiring molecular and physical support structures.
The geometry itself becomes a sort of natural electricity (so emerges LIFE).

Your queries then relate this selfsame natural (and superconductive) currentflow as vibration patterns to a coupling between magneto-inductive and electro-capacitative factors (termed L-magnetocharges and C-magnetocharges) in a higherD correspondence to the electrocharges on the physically manifested molecular level.

In particular what is called Memory is associated with the Capacitative factors (as capacitors storing magnetic higher D or colour-charge) and with the Induction factors (as inductors/coils inducing these colour charges).
You may term the C-factors as being basically instinctive or intuitive memory and the L-factors being analytic or rational in say the two right-left brain labelings.

Now because these LC-factor coupling engages as mass independent electromagnetic field; the labels of discarnate memory, akashic records and the noosphere of Vernadsky and Teilhard de Chardin and the Morphogenetic fields of Sheldrake, all attain scientific feasability in rational-deductive yet indirect observable terms.
The below gives further details.

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/imagelib/sitebuilder/layout/spacer.gif

http://www.kheper.net/cosmos/genesis/cover.gif

Robert Louis Jones and Anthony Paul Bermanseder

This proposal is entitled: GENESIS - The Origins of the Genetic Code
and subdivided into three parts and a supplement:

1. The Hierarchy Scale of Universal Genetic Structure
2. The Modular Symmetry of the 12-Dimensional DNA-Triple Helix
3. The Higgs-Bosonic Blueprint and the Restmass Induction Scale
4. The Supplement

The Aim of the proposal is to once and for all eliminate any need or dependancy on supernatural or paranormal agencies to describe the natural environment of scientifically semanticised phenomena.

The Objective for the proposed Aim is achieved in the developments of, from the universal matrix of information coded energy, the intrinsic eigenstate or gestalt of the universal wavefunction.
The intrinsic nature of the peripheral standing wave is derived from mathematical principles and algorithmic codes alone; the primordial datacode defining the origins of numerical mensuration from an uncountable infinite binary set.

The Results obtained from the Objective form a selfcontained and monistically principled description of the universe as a self-created and quantumised entity with defined boundary conditions and parameters.

Description of the Agenda
A single-principled search for an intrinsic energy value for the universe must necessarily find a metric-independent background for a spacetime continuum of classical geometry and quantum topology. This scalar energy field (of the Higgsian Temperature Vacuum) then weds Einsteinian Relativity to Quantum Mechanics in a theory of quantum relativity.
We have named this the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity or UFoQR.

The Hierarchical Scale in GENESIS invites the reader to participate in a journey to discover the scale of all things by beginning with the observable and measured environment in considering the world of the cellular biochemistry.
The observed and well documented workings of the genetic code in its form of the double helix is invoked but tentatively extended in a quadruplistic enfoldment of spacetime within a continuum of inverse energy or magnetocharges.
The 64-codon defined genetic codex is quadrupled and associated with dormant intron functions on a genome encompassing four interwoven spacetimes manifesing in 10 dimensions and reflecting via a 11 dimensional modular mirror in the 12th.
A reconfiguration of the magnetocharges as dimensional intersections induces a potentially infinite distribution of magnetocharges to permutate into a dipolar representation or its unified state. This rearrangement specifies a 4x4 codon matrix as a chromosomatic differentiation associated with the sexual characteristics and splices the 64-codex into arbitrary male and female parts.
An intrinsic wave-particle duality crystallises from this split and indicates a maximisation/minimisation or quantum scaling of an universal size parameter or wave1ength in human genomatic associations
In discovering a pre-spacetime measurement of creation to modulate the macroscale in the microscale, the quantisation units for space and time are uniquely set as cosmic initialisation parameters and boundary conditions.
A variety of necessary equations and cosmological relationships are derived and/or indicated to exhibit the primary origin of such scientifically measured results via experiment and data analysis.
A primal background is defined and derived as a redefinition of the Planckian energy scale of unitary mensuration, rendering the space-time measurement dimensionless or magnetocharged.
The Modular Symmetry in GENESIS extends the Watson-Crick-Wilkins (1951) double helix in 4-D into the Curtis (1998) decagonal helix in 12-D in defining the manifestation of the pentagonised helical geometry as consequence of the original mathematical coding in the complex plane.
The 64-codex is revisited in view of the fourfold extension to show the amino acid coding as permutational configuration of modular symmetry and as primary partitioning of the 4x4 matrix.
Separated DNA/RNA strands align for potential recombination via the definitions of magneto-inductive and electro-capacitative coupling LC-factors, also specifying the basis for sexual intercourse.

The Higgs Bosonic Blueprint in GENESIS unites the Standard Models or Quantum ElectroDynamics and Quantum ChromoDynamics in merging Gravity with Quantum FlavourDynamics via the mass energy scale of fundamental particles from the quantum geometry in the UFoQR.

Quarks and leptons are defined in supersymmetry to their interdimensional gauge field partners in a relationship of superparity.

The Supplement then uses the unified and autonomous universal genetic superstructure to invent, in selfrelative authority, a mythology of symbolic language; taking the form of a universal religious-scriptural context and defining all "Gods/Antigods" to constitute mental fabrications by minds in oscillatorial resonances within the UFoQR.

Assessment of the Agenda
The assessment of the proposal is summarised under the following criteria:Originality in terms of scientific verifications

The work is original in that a variety of scientific laws and premises become synthesised in a singular manner, leaving no room for disagreement past the monistic principle itself.
A significant number of outstanding scientitic results become unified by the UFoQR; the experimental evidence having been published worldwide.
Examples include:
1. The Kamiokande Neutrino measurements in Japan, pointing the research data towards a muonic/tauonic re5tmass induction of mean 0.05 eV, headline of June 4th 1998; New Scientist.,13-3-99, p.32

Equation #15 defines this energy value as 0.052106. electron volt*.

2. A measured alpha-finestructure variation with the Keck 10m telescope in Hawaii, singling out a redshift epoch in the expansion of the universe in the z-interval from about 1.0 to 1.6 and corresponding to a time about 8 Billion years ago; New Scientist, 28th March,1998, p.12
Equations #1, 3, 43 defining the Hubble oscillation, specifies this period to span a time interval or 4.4 Billion years for z=1 .08 to 1.84

3. The Sarkar measurements from the Anglo-Australian Automatic Plate Measuring Survey, which sampled 2 million galaxies closer than 2 billion lightyears (ly) to find galactic clumping of around 300 million ly across as cosmic architecture; New Scientist, 25th April1998, p.7
Equations # 10, 12, define the Sarkar Constant as 236.5 Million ly*
4. The worldwide publication of data pointing to an accelerating universe via supernova type Ia explosions, requiring the existence of a cosmological constant or vacuum quintessence; New Scientist,11th April 1996, p.27

Related to the alpha variation, the UFOQR defines a quasi-blueshift of redshift z about the Hubble node, resetting a decelerating cosmos.

The proposal as a critical thought-experiment
The work does not rely on experimental science to deduce the evolved conclusions, but induces the unifying principles from the deductions obtained by an externally operating experimental science of measurement and observation. The analysis of experimental data so becomes the criteria for induction. The thought experiment rests on the premise to position the universal observer "outside" defined boundaries of a measured spacetime. This 12-dimensional F-space forms however the holographic reflection for a 10-dimensional quantisation of 4-dimensional 0-space. The hologramic modular mirror becomes the 11-dimensional medium of M-space, defined as surface topology of a Moebian Klein-Bottle-Torus. The thoughtful holographer/eiperimenter is literally in two places at the same time and by twisting a higher dimensional surface, renders the inside of the modular mirror continuous with its outside. A 4-D hypersphere Riemann-Volumar is effectively doubled as a 5-dimensional surface manifesting as quantum 13-dimensional monad or Weyl-tensor. The reproduction of the universal wavefunction then uses this 13-D nesting within itself to form a 26-D dyad by baseperfect genetic matching. The point of intersection or sexual intercourse becomes the scaling constant or wormhole radius as defined in GENESIS.
A dyadic wave-particle duality is thus obtained as male-female match-making and the biochemical implementation via messenger-transfer nucleic acids in the interwoven spacetimes.
The maleness pair of mRNA/tDNA reflecting in the female tRNA/mDNA, as described in GENESIS, actualises the Thymine/Enimine DNA-intron coding. The potential for a superhuman organism therefore exists as an intrinsic parameter in the UPoQR and the work explains the mechanisms for the necesary transformations to occur.
All conclusions inferred are reductionistically derived from known and experimentally tested natural phenomena. The laws of science become however extended in their unificaticn in omnispace.

The value of the proposal
This proposal has significant applicability for any scientific researcher, thought experimenter and/or philosopher.
Any such engagee familiar with the unifying force in the UFoQR, cannot but consider this work hisher own, which it is by definition of the genetic mastercoding in the Thymine/Enimine manifesto.
The genetic mastercode is active within all living cells and transcends the biovital ideotype via the L-C factor couplings to all expressions of the quark-leptonic hierarchies or the Planck-Einstein-Higgs energy relations and the Newton-Maxwell forcelaw extensions as defined in GENESIS and its references.
Any scientific endeavour is enhanced and harmonised through the permeating awareness provided by the resonance of the engagee's mindfulness with the unifying Vorcefield in the UFoQR.
Instant communication in Quantumspace is achieved in tuning the individuated inductive- and capacitative chromosomatic factors in the data processor or antenna/brain into primary bosonic source reception. The mediating gauge forcefield is switched on via the restmass-photonic coupling of the RMP's to the gauge field interaction mediators in the UFoQR and as biochemically expressed by the decagonal DNA-forcefield. This manifests the monadic tensor as macroquantum tunneling wormhole, internalising the extroverted universal wavefunction as the engagee, who as offspring or "baby in the cosmic womb" becomes one with the universe as 13-dimensional quantum event embedded within 4-D spacetime.
So any exponent of the omni-scientific modus operandi becomes infinitised via the UFoQR and the related omni-mathematical transformations, which, via the Feynman Path Integral of particular histories, allow the Cantorian Aleph-Null Cardinality of uncountable infinite sets to assume the Aleph-AlI Cardinality of every Infinity being counted as One.
Thus the scientific engagee becomes All That Is; and it is he/she who breathes the fire of the living plasma into the equations as GODDEVIL! http://www.kheper.net/topics/thinrain.gif
Genesis was submitted as an entry to the Australian Skeptics 2000 Eureka Prize for Critical Thinking

AA

dddanieljjjamesss

02-23-2010, 06:11 PM

Just popping back in to say that I understand both sides of this "argument."

I became disillusioned when Abrax gave me a bible reference when I was pointing at Zen. :P

The information in this thread, should be shared freely, not in a way that is begging the question.

shiva777

02-23-2010, 06:21 PM

get some idea of what is REALLY going on here

http://www.azuritepress.com/New%20Comers/intro_topic_summary_2.php

SteveX

02-23-2010, 08:08 PM

get some idea of what is REALLY going on here

http://www.azuritepress.com/New%20Comers/intro_topic_summary_2.php

You mean like some geezer sat at a PC with more time on his hands than little. Making stuff up and batting off objections with bull****ary.... type of really going on?

hippihillbobbi

02-23-2010, 08:40 PM

Dear Mudra --

Thank you, Spiritual Mother, for the gentle interlude. It helps to refocus on our unity, especially when polarity seems to be trying to mask our essential oneness.

Here's To the necessity of polarity, and Here's To our unqualified eternal oneness! :trumpet: :thumb_yello:: wub2::cheers:

with Love to you, Mudra, and to all my sisters and brothers here.
hippihill

Firstlook

02-23-2010, 09:36 PM

Here's To the necessity of polarity
hippihill

Right on:thumb_yello:

mudra

02-23-2010, 09:59 PM

Thank you hippihill.

Some more to meditate upon ..

6xwTkmEUqZM

Love and peace for You
mudra

Anchor

02-23-2010, 10:10 PM

Mudra, do you have any questions for Abraxasinas?

I am going to try to steer this thread back on topic from now on. I hope this will not be a problem for anyone.

A..

mudra

02-23-2010, 11:32 PM

No I do not have any at the moment Anchor.
My apologies to Abraxasinas if I went off topic.

Love Always
mudra

Magamud

02-23-2010, 11:58 PM

Abraxas,
Can you give information on what we call Wormwood, Niburu, our binary stary system.

Thanks..

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 03:10 AM

Hi there everybody,

I had hoped to be asking Abraxas some more questions by now, or at least elaborations on my earlier questions (see post 939). However, it looks as if this will have to wait for a bit.

It appears that this thread has once again fallen into a polarity of views (those for and against this thread and its author), as it did back in January. However, this time, with the aid of one particularly strong minded and eloquent poster, the polarization now seems even more extreme.

In my last post on this thread, I finished with the following, which seems very pertinent, again, to the conflict and opposition that has become so evident, once more, here at Avalon: -

In addition to the above, I do not really buy into this idea that Abraxas and his ilk (the Thuban Council) are some kind of evil reptilian or demonic entities. However, even if Abraxas is either or both of these, or the ‘Devil’ himself, I would still be asking him questions about his perspective on humanity and the reality in which we live. By asking him questions, I am not necessarily accepting all that he and his Thuban Council state to be true. Indeed, though there is much wisdom here, in my view, I still have lots of questions about the material he has presented here and am far from convinced that what he presents is the whole truth of things. But then, as already stated, I extend a similar view, to a greater or lesser degree, to virtually every other perspective and framework I have ever heard presented, whether here at Avalon, at Camelot or elsewhere. The suggestion that I and others are mesmerized by Abraxas as he strokes our individual ego’s, simply because we engage in constructive dialogue with him, is to my mind rather melodramatic. Whether he is truly a dragon or not, I do not know? However, to my mind, whatever else he is, or indeed any of us are, he is most certainly a fellow human being with all the usual imperfections that such entails. I am sure Abraxas himself would acknowledge this. As for any other human being, I do feel their is an onus on us to treat him with respect, whether we actually agree with him or not.

As a serious student of astrology, I can not help but wonder if this polarization and conflict, as expressed on this thread, is not yet another manifestation of the ongoing Saturn-Uranus opposition. This began in 2008 and will finally come to an end later this year (2010), when these two planets make their last two exact oppositions to each other in April (Virgo-Pisces polarity) and July (Libra-Aries polarity) respectively. This clear polarization of ideas and perspectives on this Thuban thread is, to my mind, but one expression of this conflict that has or is being expressed here in this microcosm of the Avalon Forum. Others include the St. Clair-Camelot, Burisch-Camelot, Greer-Camelot, High-Camelot & Ryan-Cassidy (re. Kinsumei and the Heather material) conflicts. I also see comparable microcosmic conflicts and polarizations in my own life; in my place of work; with some particularly difficult neighbours of ours; and in relationships with certain member of my wider family. It is also clear that this same conflict and polarization is occurring in the wider world of politics (e.g. right wing-left wing and moderate-extremist conflicts), religion (e.g. Muslim-Zionist conflict) and science (e.g. main stream science-alternative science conflict) as well.

It would be nice to see some resolution too all this conflict, personal and collective, in the near future. Perhaps this will begin to occur this summer when structured and disciplined Saturn (in Libra) and unpredictable and changeable Uranus (in Aries) oppose each other for the last time in July-August of this year. At that time both of these planets also form an approximate 90° angle (a square aspect) to deeply transformative Pluto (in Capricorn). Expansive and escalating Jupiter also joins the fray when it conjoins with Uranus in Aries at that time (June-August). Even the assertive warrior, Mars, and harmonious peace-maker, Venus, join the scene for a short while in late July (Mars) to early August (Mars and Venus) as they both conjoin with Saturn in Libra, in its opposition to the Arien Uranus-Jupiter conjunction. With Pluto at the apex of this astrological configuration (known as a ‘T-Square’) it is likely going to be a key player in this up and coming astrological scenario. When the Moon opposes Pluto from Cancer on 6th/7th August 2010, we may then begin to see some kind of breaking point for this volatile configuration (with the Moon in Cancer it becomes what astrologers call a ‘Cardinal Grand Cross’). The Moon, when applied to the collective of humanity, represents the common people in conflict with, and in opposition to, the ‘Powers That Be’ (PTB), who are best represented in this configuration by the Libran Saturn (the status quo) and the Capricornian Pluto (the secretive power elite behind the governments of our world) as they square each other (was exact on 15th November 2009 and on 31st January 2010 and will finally do so again on 21st August 2010). The Arien Jupiter-Uranus conjunction has the feel of a massive (Jupiter) unpredictable (Uranus), and potentially destructive, revolution about it, something that could hurt both the common people and the PTB. Mars with Saturn suggests draconian (no offence meant, Abraxas) actions coming from the PTB (such as martial law), though Venus’ presence there too might help appease such actions somewhat.

So the conflicts here on this thread, at Avalon in general and in the wider world, do seem to be reflecting the astrological dynamics of our time. However, whether such conflicts and polarizations are resolved or not, here and elsewhere, will ultimately depend on our individual and collective levels of consciousness. So, this year, 2010, does seem to be offering us an opportunity to begin to make some changes for the better. What better place to start than from both within ourselves as individuals and as a small group of people who meet here in cyberspace on this Avalon forum.

So now would be a great time to stop the irrational, and to my mind baseless, accusations of lies, delusions or evil intentions that have so clearly been expressed, toward Abraxas, by so many of you on this fascinating thread. I think many of you need to take a closer look at yourselves before pointing fingers at others. Having said that, I would also like to thank you all (those so vehemently opposed to Abraxas) for their contributions. It would seem that this polarization of thought and the conflict it has created is part of a process that we all need to work through at this time. So thank you all for helping bring this entire dynamic to the full attention of myself and others who read this thread.

In my own case, you are truly a reflection of my own shadow self; my self-denials and my projections.

As within, so without! As below, so above!

Best Wishes

Truthseeker (Andrew)

Dear truthseeker!

A very good commentary of yours; as the astrocyclicities are very relevant at the present time.

Allow me to give you this information from the archives of the Thuban astrologers or Magi.

You know that the division of the Mazzaroth/Zodiac engages the particular configurations of the planetary-orbs at any instant in linear time, say the natal birthcharts or the auspices of historical time events.

The present synchronization of the equinoxes allows a 65x144,000=9,360,000 day cycle of 25,626.81 civil years.
This then defines a precessional rate of 1 degree per 71.1856 civil years.

This precessional cycle is confined to the planetary precession of earth in the 'wobble of the earth-polar' axis.

Now since the summer solstice of 2008 this precessional cycle has become superposed onto the entire universe as a whole.

So when you cast your charts, you are actually casting a chart not only for the magnetoinductions of the orb GEOMETRIC ANGULAR configurations (say as a photograph FREEZING the timeinstant of the natal configuration) for the terran 'characteristics' of the interacting 30-degree sectors (the basic division, but extended to Koch and Placidus etc.); but you are actually casting a horoscope for the holographic universe, miniaturized say in the hologram of the terrestrial precessional configuration.

Your treatize above so has become more accurate since the timing of the summer solstice 2008; as it utilizes a Mirror, situated so 2 million kilometers from the earth's center to reflect the orb configurations as a template onto ALL extraterrestrial civilisations.

Perhaps you might also like to know; Thuban astrology fully incorporates Chiron as the ruler of Virgo and assigns the New Moon to Libra as a Saros Dragon-Node. Cancer so is assigned the Full Moon as rulership of the House of the Mother.

Thanking you for a well stated and educational post.

AA

Firstlook

02-24-2010, 03:53 AM

THE eXchanger

02-24-2010, 03:57 AM

THE eXchanger

02-24-2010, 03:57 AM

in healing, i've utilised the ancient light worker dragons from sirius
where is there original home ???

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 04:44 AM

Abraxas,
Can you give information on what we call Wormwood, Niburu, our binary stary system.

Thanks..

Sure Magamund!

Wormwood is a 1st order archetype and as defined in scripture: {Revelation.8}:

10And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters; 11And the name of the star is called Wormwood: and the third part of the waters became wormwood; and many men died of the waters, because they were made bitter.

The Thuban librarians have received the following interpretation from the Logos.

The three parts in the Book of Revelation (BOR) are to be interpreted in the scenario of a Lightsource shining onto the creation in the presence of a mirror.
The creation or object or earth so casts a Shadow onto itself as reflection of the Light as a darkness.

This can then be depicted or modelled in divers ways, say a Mind(Body)=Wave(Particular) representing the wavepart of a quantum duality and its counterpart or complement as a Particular(Wave)=Body(Mind).

In a human or ET then, the Mindwave above is coupled to the Bodyparticular below; both expressions Mind and Body 'hiding' their shadow opposites (in the brackets).

This relates to the four parts in:

Revelation.6:
8And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.

This fourth part then represents the (Mind) part in the Body(Mind) of the below.
What this means then, is that, in the appropriate unfoldment of the timeline defined in the BOR, the Individual Shadowness of ALL becomes subjected to this fourth 'horseman of the apocalypse'.

As most humans (but not all ETs) do not even realise they carry this shadow mind within their own bodyforms, they will only experience this manifestation via their subconscious couplings. So the 4th horseman of the apocalypse 'causes death' in the thought constructions and memeplexes manufactured by the conscious mind and then stored in the subconscious.

This relates to this scripture and the BOR=ROB:
Revelation.16:
15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

The third part then describes this ROBBING of the Devil WITHIN the creation of his own kingdom of the ShadowMind within the physical bodyforms of the exposees.

Iow, everyone NOT SEALED in the Forehead, will 'suffer' the loss of the Shadow(Mind) as the third part of the then Unified MindBody of the above and the then separated Body (as the second part) and the third part of the (Mind within the Body).

A simple example is the Sun shining on a human standing on the ground.
The human casts a shadow onto the ground, defining the three parts of the Lightsource Sun, the embodied human and the human's Shadow.

The Sun also has a shadow as a conscious celestial being, but is unified in shining its light as a Wavebodied form of energy.
The human cannot shine its light but can reflect the Sun's light and so create hisher Shadow.
The physical reality of both the Sun and the human remain uncompromised, but the 'spiritual' reality of the human is 'taken away' or destroyed or jeopardised by the inablility of the human to act as a MIRROR to reflect the sun's energy back to its source.

WORMWOOD so archetypes the influx of the Lightsource according to the timeline of the BOR.
Wormwood IS NOT a physical celestial object, but represents the ENERGY of the Stars and in particular Rahsol.

The mythology of Nibiru relates to the cyclicity of the the great evolutionary changes of Gaia and with respect to the ET-known plan of establishing the 'masterrace' for the cosmos upon a graduating 'homeplanet' for ALL ETs throughout the universe.
This I have detailed in my reply to bigmo.

Because the ETs have known about the 'masterplan' of the Logos and their part in it as a cosmic intelligence NOT physicalised in the density field of the graduate starplanet; they have engaged in the hybridisation of the primitive human template with themselves.
As said, this has made ALL humanoids already Human-ET hybrids and beginning in a mindwave-induction so 208,000 years ago.

None of you would have the sentience for abstract thought, would you be a 'pure' hominid stock, say as evolved from Old World Monkeys 20 million years ago into speciations of Australopithecines so 4 million years ago and diversivications in the Homo Erectus typology so 500,000 years ago. All of your so called intelligence IS in factr ET intelligence.
All ETs are Human Family, albeit not physicalised in the density field of Gaia, extending 2 million kilometers from the Gaian center and growing by so 105 millimeters per year.

So this 'masterplan' KNOWS that the Old Earth is destined to become a New Earth.
The Old Earth is named Gaia from the Greek Gaea say and forms a partnership with Uranus as the Sky (Geb and Nut in Egyptian legends and as manifesting children of Shu and Tefnut).

The 1st order archetypes are of course Creator and Creation transforming into second order archetypes like the above (internal then external polarity from an unified monad).

Most astrophysical starsystems are binary with two suns rotating about each other to form a gravitational system; then allowing planetary systems to form from a bifocalised (the two suns) nebula of star consciousness.

This star-nebula of basically hydrogenic and helium molecular configuration derives from an elliptic 2D geometry which defines the two-focus suns as becoming the emitter- and receiver stations for the starsystem's selfcommunication.

In the case of Gaia, the second sun is omnipresent as the creator itself.
This creator sun so becomes delegated NOT to some Nemesis cyclicity, say of a periodically ecliptically intersecting brown dwarf; but to the galactic center of the harbouring galaxy.
This the Maya, as ET-human timetravellers understood as Hunab Ku, the 'Giver of all Wisdom' and the 'Street of Remembrance'.

Now Hunab Ku is the gravitational center for the local Milky Way aka perseus galaxy and so communicates with the graduating Starplanet Gai as a substitute for the second sun (often termed Nemesis).

As Gaia is distant about 26,000 years from the Galactic Centre; it will take exactly a precessional cycle of civil years for a message sent from Hunab Ku to reach the center of the earth.

This 'incoming message' then is 'confused' with Nibiru as some incoming celestial object on a collision course with the physical earth.
The Mesopotamian legends KNOW about the human-ET hybridisation plan and also so became informed, partially, about the 'masterplan' of the Logos.
This 'erroneous' or incomplete translation of 1st order archetypes into 2nd and 3rd order archetypes then becomes the causative agency behind much of the 'confusions' about 'photon belts' and 'Nibiru' and 'Nemesis' and 'Pole Shifts'.

AA

gscraig

02-24-2010, 04:50 AM

Abrax wrote:
Dear gscraig!

The Thuban council has not and never will seek publicity from any of the institutions or communities you have mentioned.
There are a number of publications, representing earlier groundwork by the owner of the website: www.tonyb.freeyellow.com which can be found in journals and publications.
All these however, whilst used by the Council of Thuban, do not directly relate to it.

A number of scientific papers, such as critique of the Haramein-Rauscher Cosmology are found at:
http://www.wbabin.net/papers.htm

Tony Bermanseder:
Added Dec. 23, 2009: Genesis of the Genesis
Added Apr. 7, 2009: Where Does Mass Come From?
Added Mar. 5, 2009: Monatomic Superconductivity in the Alchemy of the Stability of the Nucleus
Added Jan. 26, 2009: The Rotational Dynamics in Haramein-Rauscher Metrics and the Monopolic Current
Added Jan. 15, 2009: A Newtonian-Einstein-De Sitter Universe in Cosmological Mirror-super-Symmetry
Added Jan. 1, 2009: The Nature and Origin of Dark Energy
Added Dec. 2, 2008: Algorithmic Elementary Constants for a Physical Finite Universe
Added Nov. 18, 2008: The Mystery of Gravitation and the Elementary Graviton Loop
Added Dec. 15, 2005: Some Elementary Initial Conditions for Francom Adjacency
Added Dec. 14, 2005: The λ/m-Hamiltonian In Hitoshi Kitada's Treatment of Quantum Relativistic Time
Added Dec. 14, 2005: Boundary Parameters Under Modular Duality of Quantum Relativity

Other publications related to the linked primary website are:NEMESIS; DIE WOCHE; MAGICK; THE HARP-THERAPY JOURNAL.AA

Hello Abrax,

For starters, I think it is suffice to conclude that your response did not comply. This..... The Thuban council has not and never will seek publicity from any of the institutions or communities you have mentioned....Does not comply.
I did not request proof of you or the Thuban Council seeking publicity, only a concerted effort and show of great intention to inform those whom are better positioned to consider and spread your work across the globe. Apparently, you felt Project Avalon was the best approach.

Regarding your provided data
I have reviewed what you sent me, and I do agree that there may be some ground breaking principles being presented via Tony Bermanseder (also known for using Sirebard as a forum identity). However, there is simply not enough beyond theoretics to subject those on this website/thread to your proclamations.
This Thuban concept can be compared similarly to a scientologists or Ron Hubbard himself starting a thread called Dianetics. Because they both are based on postulations supported by it's respective theories or self discovery. Although, one key difference is that the Thuban philospy utilize mathematics and scientifically comprised principles for most of it's conclusions. This helps explain why there seem to be a disconnect with answers that go beyond mathematical principles. Because I've also identified those whom support Tony's work are or were former physicists, science teachers, etc whom started or participated in forum dialogue and threads before.

Journal Submissions
The link you provided me (http://www.wbabin.net/papers.htm) are respectable theories entered by physicists. All of the PDF files you attached are mostly theories predominately based on Quantum Relativity/M Theory, Theoretical Physics, and Scientific and Mathematical Principles submitted by Tony Bermansede. Now, for those whom are not aware, the wbabinet.net link is a Science Journal. Most professions such as Science, Biology, Chemistry, Medicine, etc have their own respective journals where their community members (Drs., Phd's, etc) can post their work or experiences for peer review and scrutiny. It IS NOT a consensus on the material presented by the submitter, or proof of anything concrete...At least not yet. Anyone in the field can enter almost anything. Tony Bermansede has not won a Nobel Prize, and having his work rushed into the annals of history (per this thread) as the solution to all universal riddles is quite irresponsible in my opinion.

In Closing
I also noticed via this material and my own research, that other Physicists have websites highlighting their work and theories just like Tony. Now, I did see some such as Dan Fitzpatrick and Robert Duncan whose websites seem to support Tony Bermansede's work. However, these are a mere few out of a pool of thousands. Again, Tony may have some significant concepts for future contemplation and perhaps implementation, but ultimately it all comes down to what I indicated in my initial thread #1212 which was.. To be honest, it could be someone whom is simply VERY informed on what they believe and studied, therefore being able to hold a Q&A with you

I will add that I respect Tony's work enough not to call it a hoax, but your decision to present it here and in this format....Remains as labeled.

Thanks for everyones time, patience and pardon my interruption. For those whom disapprove of my disagreement or the manner for which it was presented, I will kindly make my exit.

Kind Regards
gscraig

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 04:53 AM

how many different groups of dragons are there ???

we are particularly interested, in our trip to visit them,
between 11/3/1991 and, 4/6/1993 - for 520 days
when we visited some of them in 9th density temples of venus

thank you

Dear Susan!

The 9th density is inaccessible to lower order consciousness and including ALL of the ET races you may have heard of.

The only way ANY consciousness in the universe can visit dimensions above 6th is through and by the superconsciousness.
Superconsciousness requires transcension of the subconscious and this is not possible in embodiment, inclusive of OBEs and NDEs.

What many mistake as higher dimensions are but astral sublevels of the 4th dimension.

There are as many dragon races as there are consciousness classifications - themselves arbitrary in 3rd and 4th order archetypes.

AA

ellie

02-24-2010, 04:55 AM

I hope this question is not a repeat.

On 21/12/2012 the people on earth become star humans so to speak, we are talking about them transcending into 4th or 5th D..........yes/no? Does the Thuban Council agree that there is a splitting of Gaia where those who ascend go off with the 4 or 5D Gaia.

What about the souls that are incarnate at that time, who say are in the astral or wherever, maybe waiting to reincarnate, like our relatives and loved ones who have passed on, what becomes of them.

I know my questions are very basic but I would like the Council's answer on these if I could, please make it easy for this soul to understand.:naughty:

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 04:58 AM

in healing, i've utilised the ancient light worker dragons from sirius
where is there original home ???

Dear Susan!

Their original home is in the VOID=ETERNITY before the physical spacetimed universe existed.
Their home today is in every Canine you encounter upon planet earth.
So studying, analysing and discerning the Canine evolution, say from the Miacis of the Miocene epoch; will allow you to retrace the Sirian ETs.

AA

K626

02-24-2010, 05:02 AM

How old is the Thuban concil?

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 05:03 AM

I hope this question is not a repeat.

On 21/12/2012 the people on earth become star humans so to speak, we are talking about them transcending into 4th or 5th D..........yes/no?

Yes.

Does the Thuban Council agree that there is a splitting of Gaia where those who ascend go off with the 4 or 5D Gaia.

The planet will NOT split, but undergo a transformation in spacetime.
The often used metaphor is you as a peach kernel now tranforming into a full peach.

What about the souls that are incarnate at that time, who say are in the astral or wherever, maybe waiting to reincarnate, like our relatives and loved ones who have passed on, what becomes of them.

It is the same for everyone, with the exception that the astral disincarnate will be able to incarnate into full 5D peach bodies, instead of the kernel bodies of 4D.

I know my questions are very basic but I would like the Council's answer on these if I could, please make it easy for this soul to understand.:naughty:

You are welcome, ellie

AA

K626

02-24-2010, 05:06 AM

Dear Susan!

Their original home is in the VOID=ETERNITY before the physical spacetimed universe existed.
Their home today is in every Canine you encounter upon planet earth.
So studying, analysing and discerning the Canine evolution, say from the Miacis of the Miocene epoch; will allow you to retrace the Sirian ETs.

AA

Before the space timed universe? There is no such thing as spacetime...

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 05:15 AM

How old is the Thuban concil?

A statistically averaged time in cosmic seconds can be given, K626.
This number is counted from a MAT time (Mean-Alignment-Time) synchronised to Midnight (+9 hours GMT), Local Canberra time, eastern Australia November 4th, 1996.

The number (for a Unity Normalisation) is 1/Ho=RHubble/c=5.325584833x10^17 seconds +Delta and where Delta is the fraction part of 1.13267255.

It so took about 56 million years for the Earth to crystallize from the solar nebula and it took about 56 million years for the earth to cool as the mirror function for this crystallization.
For the Cosmogenesis of the Universe, the Minimum value for np=1.13267255 is used for an actual Age of the universe of 19.1151 Billion years*.

The AgeEarth=(4.477992+4.590301)x109/2~4.5341465..x109 (Billion) Years

Details are found here:
The Coulombic Chargequantum 'e'; its Variation and the Ages of the Earth and the Universe
http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id198.html

AA

K626

02-24-2010, 05:22 AM

A statistically averaged time in cosmic seconds can be given, K626.
This number is counted from a MAT time (Mean-Alignment-Time) synchronised to Midnight (+9 hours GMT), Local Canberra time, eastern Australia November 4th, 1996.

The number (for a Unity Normalisation) is 1/Ho=RHubble/c=5.325584833x10^17 seconds +Delta and where Delta is the fraction part of 1.13267255.

It so took about 56 million years for the Earth to crystallize from the solar nebula and it took about 56 million years for the earth to cool as the mirror function for this crystallization.
For the Cosmogenesis of the Universe, the Minimum value for np=1.13267255 is used for an actual Age of the universe of 19.1151 Billion years*.

The AgeEarth=(4.477992+4.590301)x109/2~4.5341465..x109 (Billion) Years

Details are found here:
The Coulombic Chargequantum 'e'; its Variation and the Ages of the Earth and the Universe
http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id198.html

AA

*Puts calculator away* :lol3:

Is the speed of light a constant?

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 05:25 AM

Hello Abraxasinas,

I'm impressed with the over all accomplishment of this thread. Many posts later, and I think its still worthy of everyones attention. Again thanks for all your responses to everyone.:thumb_yello:

I'm working on some good questions to ask you, but i want to form my words carefully. So I guess for now, I was hoping you and the council could tell me about DNA and how it operates with emotional frequencies. Thanks.

peace:original:

joey

Dear Joey!

Below is the master template for higher-dimensional DNA/RNA.
What you term 'emotional frequency' is just ordinary electromagnetic vibrational energy, however NOT produced by inertia coupling, but by source consciousness.
Technically, this is the acceleration of nonmass coupled magnetocharges producing Super-EMR instead of the normal EMR as made by the sun and stars in nuclear fusion processes (which produces EMR as masscoupled acceleration of electric Coulomb charges).

http://www.kheper.net/cosmos/genesis/cover.gif

This 12-dimensional F-space forms however the holographic reflection for a 10-dimensional quantisation of 4-dimensional 0-space.
The hologramic modular mirror becomes the 11-dimensional medium of M-space, defined as surface topology of a Moebian Klein-Bottle-Torus.
The thoughtful holographer/experimenter is literally in two places at the same time and by twisting a higher dimensional surface, renders the inside of the modular mirror continuous with its outside.
A 4-D hypersphere Riemann-Volumar is effectively doubled as a 5-dimensional surface manifesting as quantum 13-dimensional monad or Weyl-tensor.
The reproduction of the universal wavefunction then uses this 13-D nesting within itself to form a 26-D dyad by baseperfect genetic matching.
The point of intersection or sexual intercourse becomes the scaling constant or wormhole radius as defined in GENESIS.
A dyadic wave-particle duality is thus obtained as male-female match-making and the biochemical implementation via messenger-transfer nucleic acids in the interwoven spacetimes.
The maleness pair of mRNA/tDNA reflecting in the female tRNA/mDNA, as described in GENESIS, actualises the Thymine/Enimine DNA-intron coding.
The potential for a superhuman organism therefore exists as an intrinsic parameter in the UPoQR and the work explains the mechanisms for the necesary transformations to occur.

AA

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 05:33 AM

*Puts calculator away* :lol3:

Is the speed of light a constant?

Absolutely K626, in the 4D Minkowski spacetime. All postulates of the Relativities are elementary and fundamental in the higher dimensional cosmologies.

However the de Broglie Phasevelocity can easily be used to define the superposition of the scaled distance parameter R(n)=V(n)/F as a rescaling of the lightspeed invariance in Lightpath X=cT=c/F.

Proof:

Phasespeed VdB=(wavelength)(frequency)=(h/mVgroup)(mc^2/h)=c^2/Vgroup > c for all Vgroup < c.

The lightspeed constancy in higher D membrane space so becomes a lower tachyonic limit for the phase speed, just as the lightspeed c is an upper limit for the lower D Minkowski metric (measuring a group-velocity Vgroup as a vector bundle).

As said, a 4D technology cannot mechanistically 'overcome' the restriction of the Relativity physics of Albert Einstein.

AA

K626

02-24-2010, 05:42 AM

Absolutely K626, in the 4D Minkowski spacetime. All postulates of the Relativities are elementary and fundamental in the higher dimensional cosmologies.

However the de Broglie Phasevelocity can easily be used to define the superposition of the scaled distance parameter R(n)=V(n)/F as a rescaling of the lightspeed invariance in Lightpath X=cT=c/F.

Proof:

Phasespeed VdB=(wavelength)(frequency)=(h/mVgroup)(mc^2/h)=c^2/Vgroup > c for all Vgroup < c.

The lightspeed constancy in higher D membrane space so becomes a lower tachyonic limit for the phase speed, just as the lightspeed c is an upper limit for the lower D Minkowski metric (measuring a group-velocity Vgroup as a vector bundle).

As said, a 4D technology cannot mechanistically 'overcome' the restriction of the Relativity physics of Albert Einstein.

AA

Wow!

As you well know I'll need to have a proper 'look' at that.

Not bad. :original:

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 10:29 AM

Thanks Gareth!

Mellen-Thomas Benedict's Near-Death Experience and an Omni-Scientific Perspective

Commentary is interspersed by John Shadow in italics.

For the latest updates on Mellen Thomas:
www.mellen-thomas.com (http://www.mellen-thomas.com/)
The official website of Mellen Thomas

Mellen-Thomas Benedict is an artist who survived a near-death experience in 1982. He was dead for over an hour and a half after dying of cancer. At the time of his death, he rose up out of his body and went into the light. Curious about the universe, he was taken far into the remote depths of existence, and even beyond, into the energetic void of nothingness behind the Big Bang. During his experience, he was able to learn a great deal of information concerning reincarnation. Because of his near-death experience, he was able to bring back scientific discoveries. Mr. Benedict has been closely involved in the mechanics of cellular communication and research dealing with the relationship of light to life called Quantum Biology. This research is providing dramatic new perspectives on how biological systems work. Mr. Benedict has found that living cells can respond very quickly to light stimulation resulting in, among other things, high speed healing. He is a researcher, inventor and lecturer who holds six U.S. patents.
Several weeks after Benedict was born, he may experienced a NDE when his bowels were ruptured. His body was tossed to one side as a corpse, yet much to everyone's surprise he later revived. As soon as he was big enough to grab hold of crayons, he started what became a compulsive urge to create symbolic renditions of the black/white yin/yang circles of Eastern religious thought. He has no memory of why he drew those particular symbols.

He spent his grade school years in a Catholic boarding school in Vermont, and was baptized in the Salvation Army religion as a youngster. He traveled extensively because of a military stepfather until the family finally settled down in Fayetteville, North Carolina.

Then, Benedict was diagnosed as having inoperable cancer. He had retired from the frenzy of filmdom by then and was operating his own stained-glass studio. As his condition worsened, he spent more and more time with his art. One morning he awakened knowing he would die the next day, and he did. As the typical heaven-like scenario began to unfold, Benedict recognized what was happening as it was happening. The process was familiar to him because he had read many books about the near-death phenomenon previously.

Mr. Benedict's NDE is reprinted here by the permission of his friends Dr. Lee Worth Bailey (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/search-handle-url/index=books&field-author=Lee%20Worth%20Bailey/102-8462196-9060105) and Jenny Yates (http://www.uncw.edu/par/PEOPLE/YATES.HTM). Their excellent book entitled The Near-Death Experience: A Reader (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0415914310/ref=nosim/asabove04), published by Routledge, New York, in 1996, is highly recommended by the webmaster. A portion of his near-death experience also appears in P.M.H. (http://www.sitedelux.com/trellix/sitebuilder/experts05.html) Atwater's (http://www.sitedelux.com/trellix/sitebuilder/experts05.html) book, Beyond the Light (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380725401/ref=nosim/asabove04). Concerning Mellen's near-death experience, Dr. Ken Ring (http://www.sitedelux.com/trellix/sitebuilder/experts04.html) remarked, "His story is one of the most remarkable I have encountered in my extensive research on near-death experiences."
P.M.H. Atwater (http://www.sitedelux.com/trellix/atwater.html) has the following to say about Mellen-Thomas Benedict:
"I can attest that his case is genuine and his claims about the brain tumor and the conditions of his death are true. I have met his mother and step-father, been in his and their homes, and have followed his life since - his struggles and his accomplishments - as he sought to find a way to integrate his experience into his daily life while still honoring the mission he felt guided to fulfill."

1. The Road to Death
In 1982 I died from terminal cancer. The condition I had was inoperable, and any kind of chemotherapy they could give me would just have made me more of a vegetable. I was given six to eight months to live. I had been an information freak in the 1970's, and I had become increasingly despondent over the nuclear crisis, the ecology crisis, and so forth. So, since I did not have a spiritual basis, I began to believe that nature had made a mistake, and that we were probably a cancerous organism on the planet. I saw no way that we could get out from all the problems we had created for ourselves and the planet. I perceived all humans as cancer, and that is what I got. That is what killed me. Be careful what your world view is. It can feed back on you, especially if it is a negative world view. I had a seriously negative one. That is what led me into my death. I tried all sorts of alternative healing methods, but nothing helped.
So I determined that this was really just between me and God. I had never really faced God before, or even dealt with God. I was not into any kind of spirituality at the time, but I began a journey into learning about spirituality and alternative healing. I set out to do all the reading I could and bone up on the subject, because I did not want to be surprised on the other side. So I started reading on various religions and philosophies. They were all very interesting, and gave hope that there was something on the other side.
On the other hand, as a self-employed stained-glass artist at the time, I had no medical insurance whatsoever. So my life savings went overnight in testing. Then I was facing the medical profession without any kind of insurance. I did not want to have my family dragged down financially, so I determined to handle this myself. There was not constant pain, but there were black-outs. I got so that I would not dare to drive, and eventually I ended up in hospice care. I had my own personal hospice caretaker. I was very blessed by this angel who went through the last part of this with me. I lasted about eighteen months. I did not want to take a lot of drugs, since I wanted to be as conscious as possible. Then I experienced such pain that I had nothing but pain in my consciousness, luckily only for a few days at a time.

2. The Light of God
I remember waking up one morning at home about 4:30 am, and I just knew that this was it. This was the day I was going to die. So I called a few friends and said goodbye. I woke up my hospice caretaker and told her. I had a private agreement with her that she would leave my dead body alone for six hours, since I had read that all kinds of interesting things happen when you die. I went back to sleep. The next thing I remember is the beginning of a typical near-death experience. Suddenly I was fully aware and I was standing up, but my body was in the bed. There was this darkness around me. Being out of my body was even more vivid than ordinary experience. It was so vivid that I could see every room in the house, I could see the top of the house, I could see around the house, I could see under the house.

This is the astral 5D spacetime perspective allowing an orthogonal added space dimension to intersect the linespace quantumization as a rotational twistor space of 7D hyperspace.

There was this light shining. I turned toward the light. The light was very similar to what many other people have described in their near-death experiences. It was so magnificent. It is tangible; you can feel it. It is alluring; you want to go to it like you would want to go to your ideal mother's or father's arms.
As I began to move toward the light, I knew intuitively that if I went to the light, I would be dead.
So as I was moving toward the light I said, "Please wait a minute, just hold on a second here. I want to think about this; I would like to talk to you before I go."
To my surprise, the entire experience halted at that point. You are indeed in control of your near-death experience. You are not on a roller coaster ride. So my request was honored and I had some conversations with the light. The light kept changing into different figures, like Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, mandalas (http://www.mellen-thomas.com/darshom.htm), archetypal images and signs.

The universe's cosmology derives from an ontological cosmogony which is built purely upon archetyped semiotics and geometric 2-dimensionally expressible symbolisms - the complex plane of mathematics and the MATHIMATIA=I AM THAT I AM=I AM THAT AM I=95.
The Dawkinsian memeplexes formed by selfaware consciousness carriers become manifest in the creativity of the data receivers and then become emitted and stored as such memeplexes in the universal light matrix often associated with the 'akashic records' and the 'skeins of time'.

I asked the light, "What is going on here? Please, light, clarify yourself for me. I really want to know the reality of the situation."
I cannot really say the exact words, because it was sort of telepathy. The light responded. The information transferred to me was that your beliefs shape the kind of feedback you are getting before the light. If you were a Buddhist or Catholic or Fundamentalist, you get a feedback loop of your own stuff. You have a chance to look at it and examine it, but most people do not.
As the light revealed itself to me, I became aware that what I was really seeing was our Higher Self matrix. The only thing I can tell you is that it turned into a matrix, a mandala of human souls, and what I saw was that what we call our Higher Self in each of us is a matrix. It's also a conduit to the Source; each one of us comes directly, as a direct experience from the Source. We all have a Higher Self, or an oversoul part of our being. It revealed itself to me in its truest energy form. The only way I can really describe it is that the being of the Higher Self is more like a conduit. It did not look like that, but it is a direct connection to the Source that each and every one of us has. We are directly connected to the Source.

The universe is holographic, with all consciousness carriers forming holofractals or shards within an encompassing cosmology. The smallest possible dichotomizable unit is the neutron with its lepton ring of negative polarity circumsizing a protonic quarkian core, itself consisting of a double-positive up-quark kernel 'hugged' by an inner mesonic ring of negative unit charge.
Because of the natural radioctivity, say beta-minus decay of the neutron, the encapsulated consciousness of this minimized inertia unit is bifurcated into an 'extended space consciousness' and allowing the construction of atomic elements, beginning with Hydrogen as a 'dispersed' base neutron with an anhtineutrino kernel gauge coupled to the up-quark core.

So the light was showing me the Higher Self matrix. And it became very clear to me that all the Higher Selves are connected as one being, all humans are connected as one being, we are actually the same being, different aspects of the same being. It was not committed to one particular religion. So that is what was being fed back to me. And I saw this mandala of human souls. It was the most beautiful thing I have ever seen. I just went into it and, it was just overwhelming. It was like all the love you've every wanted, and it was the kind of love that cures, heals, regenerates.
As I asked the light to keep explaining, I understood what the Higher Self matrix is. We have a grid around the planet where all the Higher Selves are connected. This is like a great company, a next subtle level of energy around us, the spirit level, you might say.

The Higher Self Matrix is the Light-Matrix of the lightspeed invariance as a stasis, that is a Quantum Standing Wave.
Technically, the Minkowski 4-Vector Velocity is decomposed into the Pythagorean c2 as the hypotenuse of the Space dynamic vector R(x,y,z) and the Time dynamic vector T(t)=X/c in the basic metric: R2+X2=c2 or formally for flat Euclidean R4 spacetime and ds describing proper time; ds2 = -dt2+dx2+dy2+dz2.
This Quantum Standing Wave then describes the entire univers in its particle-inertial nature as 'bouncing' quantum-mechanically within a 'Nodal Box' of 11D-Membrane Spacetime as a 10D-String Spacetime.
This then allows formal description of this 'quantum mechanics' in statistical probability distributions to determine where the universal particle might be 'measured' in equations of Schrödinger, Gordon-Klein and Dirac.
However the wave properties of the universe do not bounce as such a particle, but can be modelled as quantum entanglement of the universe with itself.
This then defines the holofractal universes as substructures of the holographical ONE universe.

Then, after a couple of minutes, I asked for more clarification. I really wanted to know what the universe is about, and I was ready to go at that time.
I said, "I am ready, take me."
Then the light turned into the most beautiful thing that I have ever seen: a mandala of human souls on this planet.
Now I came to this with my negative view of what has happened on the planet. So as I asked the light to keep clarifying for me, I saw in this magnificent mandala how beautiful we all are in our essence, our core. We are the most beautiful creations. The human soul, the human matrix that we all make together is absolutely fantastic, elegant, exotic, everything. I just cannot say enough about how it changed my opinion of human beings in that instant.
I said, "Oh, God, I did not know how beautiful we are."
At any level, high or low, in whatever shape you are in, you are the most beautiful creation, you are.
I was astonished to find that there was no evil in any soul.
I said, "How can this be?"
The answer was that no soul was inherently evil. The terrible things that happened to people might make them do evil things, but their souls were not evil. What all people seek, what sustains them, is love, the light told me. What distorts people is a lack of love.
The revelations coming from the light seemed to go on and on, then I asked the light, "Does this mean that humankind will be saved?"
Then, like a trumpet blast with a shower of spiraling lights, the Great Light spoke, saying, "Remember this and never forget; you save, redeem and heal yourself. You always have. You always will. You were created with the power to do so from before the beginning of the world."
In that instant I realized even more. I realized that WE HAVE ALREADY BEEN SAVED, and we saved ourselves because we were designed to self-correct like the rest of God's universe. This is what the second coming is about.
I thanked the light of God with all my heart. The best thing I could come up with was these simple words of totally appreciation:
"Oh dear God, dear Universe, dear Great Self, I love my life."
The light seemed to breathe me in even more deeply. It was as if the light was completely absorbing me. The love light is, to this day, indescribable. I entered into another realm, more profound than the last, and became aware of something more, much more. It was an enormous stream of light, vast and full, deep in the heart of life. I asked what this was.
The light responded, "This is the RIVER OF LIFE. Drink of this manna water to your heart's content."
So I did. I took one big drink and then another. To drink of life Itself! I was in ecstasy.
Then the light said, "You have a desire."
The light knew all about me, everything past, present and future.
"Yes!" I whispered.
I asked to see the rest of the universe; beyond our solar system, beyond all human illusion. The light then told me that I could go with the Stream. I did, and was carried through the light at the end of the tunnel. I felt and heard a series of very soft sonic booms. What a rush!
Suddenly I seemed to be rocketing away from the planet on this stream of life. I saw the Earth fly away. The solar system, in all its splendor, whizzed by and disappeared. At faster than light speed, I flew through the center of the galaxy, absorbing more knowledge as I went. I learned that this galaxy, and all of the universe, is bursting with many different varieties of LIFE. I saw many worlds. The good news is that we are not alone in this universe!
As I rode this stream of consciousness through the center of the galaxy, the stream was expanding in awesome fractal waves of energy. The super clusters of galaxies with all their ancient wisdom flew by. At first I thought I was going somewhere; actually traveling. But then I realized that, as the stream was expanding, my own consciousness was also expanding to take in everything in the universe! All creation passed by me. It was an unimaginable wonder! I truly was a wonder child; a babe in Wonderland!
It seemed as if all the creations in the universe soared by me and vanished in a speck of light. Almost immediately, a second light appeared. It came from all sides, and was so different; a light made up of more than every frequency in the universe.
I felt and heard several velvety sonic booms again. My consciousness, or being, was expanding to interface with the entire holographic universe and more.

As I passed into the second light, the awareness came to me that I had just transcended the truth. Those are the best words I have for it, but I will try to explain. As I passed into the second light, I expanded beyond the first light. I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond infinity. I was in the void (http://www.sitedelux.com/trellix/sitebuilder/research15.html). I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time - the first word - the first vibration. I was in the eye of creation. I felt as if I was touching the face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with absolute life and consciousness.

The VOID=INFINITY with no linking bridge. So the Unity=1 must become invented, i.e. somehow emerge from the Void.
As the Logos discovers the 1, the Infiniteness of the Loop of the Circle with no beginning alpha and no ending omega becomes geometrized as the 0 and this Nullstate is Doubled in the Infinity to exemplify a necessity for bifurcation and polarisation say in negative infinity -∞ and positive infinity +∞ .
This Oneness becomes the 'First Vibration' in defining the extension of the geometric 2-dimensional complex number plane based on the polarised 1st dimensional numberline reflected about the Nullstate Mirror.
This extension then creates a 'Thickness' for this plane by the freedom degrees of joining two points either by a straight line in Euclidean flat space or a curved line in Riemann-Kaluza-Klein curvilinear space.

The curvature allows the enfoldment of space(time) upon itself and so the basic Schwarzschild metric is generated from which a physical universe can emerge AFTER this Schwarzschild Black Hole has become inverted or has wormhole tunnelled into a White Hole of the inversion metric.
This process then uniquely defines the wormhole physics as the initial- and boundary conditions for ANY metricated spacetime and so parametrizes and quantises the holographic universe in its minimum spacetime configuration of the building-block wormhole or Rosen-Einstein-Bridge.

This wormhole then also describes the sourcesink primordial energy for the universe's creation and ANY subsequent cosmology emerging from this boundary membrane condition.

This can be said to be embodied in a mathematical statement, known as Euler's Identity: eiπ =XY=X+Y= i² =cos(π)+isin(π) = -1

In the language of fundamental theoretical physics this identity then translates in the following formulations to define a universe of selfcreation in its inital- and boundary conditions:

E*=kT*=hf*=hc/λ*=m*c²=1/e* for Unity-Condition E*.e*=1

for lightspeed invariance: (wavespeed=wavelengthxfrequency)

λ*f* = c = RmaxHo

with a nodal Hubble-Frequency Ho and a Hubble-Radius Rmax
and where:

E*=√{2πGome2/4.alpha.hc.e²}=melectron/(2e.√alpha.mPlanck)

eiπ =XY=X+Y= i² =cos(π)+isin(π) = -1

In the language of fundamental theoretical physics this identity then translates in the following formulations to define a universe of selfcreation in its inital- and boundary conditions:

E*=kT*=hf*=hc/λ*=m*c²=1/e* for Unity-Condition E*.e*=1

for lightspeed invariance: (wavespeed=wavelengthxfrequency)

λ*f* = c = RmaxHo

with a nodal Hubble-Frequency Ho and a Hubble-Radius Rmax
and where:

E*=√{2πGome2/4.alpha.hc.e²}=melectron/(2e.√alpha.mPlanck)

When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That's a mind-expanding thought, isn't it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event which created the universe. I saw that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating universes endlessly and simultaneously.

The SIMULTANEOUS Big Bangs are by necessity higher dimensional in NOW-Time of the cyclic 'bouncing of the universe in a quantum box' and independent on the linear unfolding of the seedling Linespace of the 4D- Euclidean flat Minkowski metric.
In terms of this LineSpacetime then, there will only be ONE SEEDLING Big Bang; but the linear evolvement and progression of a seedling lightpath vector X=cT will allow a 'unfreezing' of individuated spacetimes from this Protoversal Seed in 'individuated' Now-Time-Frames.
Every such 'unfrozen' universe will become uniquely coupled to a consciousness carrier sufficiently 'advanced' to be able to RESONATE with the source frequency of the generating wormhole of the cosmogony and as defined by the priority of the Universal Logos.

All wormhole-resonating consciousness carriers will so become enabled to PHASESHIFT the Protoverse of the Logos and so become an entire Universe in their own right, however remaining kernel-coupled to their protoversal progenitor of the Logos through and by their own individuated Logii.

The wormhole sourcesink is of course the EpsEss supermembrane of 11-dimensional Witten Memrane-Mother Spacetime and so can also be termed as a 'Little Serpent' or Master-Dragon of the Mathimatia.

In this manner the 'Little Serpent' will become a 'GrandFather Serpent' entwined as the primary Creator sourcesink Eps with the secondary Creation sinksource Ess as a 'GrandMother Serpentina'.

The Protoverse will become the Daughter of the Mother as her own 'Mother Serpentina' entwined with the Logos as a 'Father Serpent' as the Son of the Father.

Any successful phaseshifted Universe from the Protoverse, will so form a Multiverse with the Protoverse and all other resonating Universes as the Sons and Daughters of the Old Universe frozen in its Statsis of the Cocooning for the Grandchildren of the 'Little Serpent' and the 'Little Serpintina' aka the Creation aka the materialized Universe as the bifurcated and temporarily 'lost' 'other half' of the 'Little Serpent' in selfimposed exile.

The label of the SERPENT can also be anagramed as PRESENT=97=Son Of Man = CIRCLE OF GOD for Humanity as the destined grandchildren of the Master-Dragon - the LuckDragon of its own Neverending Story.

The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by supercomputers using fractal geometry equations.

Post truncated and can be found on the link below:

AA

www.mellen-thomas.com (http://www.mellen-thomas.com/)ww.mellen-thomas.com
The official website of Mellen Thomas

Anchor

02-24-2010, 11:15 AM

Abraxasinas, please can you delete the text that does not directly pertain you your commentary. Say from "The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by supercomputers using fractal geometry equations." onwards up to a suitable point.

I am asking you to do it, because I dont know if you finished your edits.

A..

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 11:22 AM

Anchor

02-24-2010, 12:07 PM

The entire post is relevant Anchor. I have not signed it as it was originally given by Gareth.
If I further comment on it I would of of course not quote, but intersperse.
Everyone on Gareth's post agreed to its relevance; why then should it not be shared openly and freely?

But ok I'll look and butcher the thing to confirm to censorship.

Thanks

Abraxas

Thankyou. I know that the entire post is relevant, but we aim to avoid unnecessary duplication - many readers do not need to read the whole thing again - usually a link to the original suffices - the redundant part of the posts therefore may be removed to help us in this aim. You will note I did not steam in and butcher the message for you - (even though I admit, I nearly did :naughty: ).

I noted that you did this recently before with the Matthew message, and therefore this recent moderatorial request may seem inconsistent. I did examine the Matthew message you posted to see if the way in which the extent of the text could be reduced but it was not really possible without complete butchery and destruction, so I left it. Thus it isn't censorship in the pejorative sense, but moderation in the common sense.

If you disagree on this certainly let me know (by private message)

As you point out, the post is available in its entirety in the original location.

I hope this compromise is workable.

--

I very much appreciated your commentary on the Matthew message, since I find a great proportion (but not all) of the Matthew messages "resonant with my own database"

I have related questions:

1) where is Matthew?

2) does time "pass" for him?

3) in dimensions where consciousnesses do not "experience" the passage of time, can the future be perceived for lower dimensions that do experience the passage of time (like ours), or is it more accurately "futures" plural?

Ra often speaks of probability vortices, from this I concluded that the future for us on our time-line cannot be accurately predicted because from the extra-dimensional perspective (say of Ra) he doesn't know which line we will go down ( as we have freewill), but can assess the probabilities by perceiving the densities of the lines as they fan out - thus inspecting all possible alternatives.

for example:
Questioner: We would seem to have dual catalysts operating, and the question is which one is going to act first. The prophecies, I will call them, made by Edgar Cayce indicated many Earth changes and I am wondering about the mechanics describing the future. Ra, it has been stated, is not a part of time and yet we concern ourselves with possibility/probability vortices. It is very difficult for me to understand how the mechanism of prophecy operates. What is the value of such a prophesy such as Cayce made with respect to Earth changes and all of these scenarios?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider the shopper entering the store to purchase food with which to furnish the table for the time period you call a week. Some stores have some items, others a variant set of offerings. We speak of these possibility/probability vortices when asked with the understanding that such are as a can, jar, or portion of goods in your store.

It is unknown to us as we scan your time/space whether your peoples will shop hither or yon. We can only name some of the items available for the choosing. The, shall we say, record which the one you call Edgar read from is useful in that same manner. There is less knowledge in this material of other possibility/probability vortices and more attention paid to the strongest vortex. We see the same vortex but also see many others. Edgar’s material could be likened unto one hundred boxes of your cold cereal, another vortex likened unto three, or six, or fifty of another product which is eaten by your peoples for breakfast. That you will breakfast is close to certain. The menu is your own choosing.

The value of prophecy must be realized to be only that of expressing possibilities. Moreover, it must be, in our humble opinion, carefully taken into consideration that any time/space viewing, whether by one of your time/space or by one such as we who view the time/space from a dimension, shall we say, exterior to it will have a quite difficult time expressing time measurement values. Thus prophesy given in specific terms is more interesting for the content or type of possibility predicted than for the space/time nexus of its supposed occurrence.

I would appreciate confirmation or corrections as to my interpretations as necessary.

Thanks

A..

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 01:10 PM

Thankyou. I know that the entire post is relevant, but we aim to avoid unnecessary duplication - many readers do not need to read the whole thing again - usually a link to the original suffices - the redundant part of the posts therefore may be removed to help us in this aim. You will note I did not steam in and butcher the message for you - (even though I admit, I nearly did :naughty: ).

I noted that you did this recently before with the Matthew message, and therefore this recent moderatorial request may seem inconsistent. I did examine the Matthew message you posted to see if the way in which the extent of the text could be reduced but it was not really possible without complete butchery and destruction, so I left it. Thus it isn't censorship in the pejorative sense, but moderation in the common sense.

If you disagree on this certainly let me know (by private message)

As you point out, the post is available in its entirety in the original location.

I hope this compromise is workable.

--

I very much appreciated your commentary on the Matthew message, since I find a great proportion (but not all) of the Matthew messages "resonant with my own database"

I have related questions:

1) where is Matthew?

Dear Anchor!

Indeed, not all of Matthew's data is from the 'highest order' and that is why some of the Hatonn channelings are 3rd grade or below. This then also answers this, your question #1.
Matthew is still in the astral plane of the 4th dimension BECAUSE of his close association with his Mother. Now the 5th real 'full' dimension is a MIRROR dimension, as is the 8th and the 11th.
The 11th dimension is NOT physicalisable by definition, as it represents the asymptotic limit for the material universe/megaverse (refer to the NDE post) to expand towards to in eternal linearity, albeit decelerating.

However data from the 11D mirror CAN become accessible because the physical-electromagnetic lightpath did reach this mirror coordinate so 2.2 billion years ago (if you check you will find that the entire universe became reconfigured then, say in the second stabilizing oxygenation of the Gaian atmosphere to allow terrestrial life to 'evolve' from the oceans).

So some of Matthew's or many other channels experiences and impressions, and of course the NDE experience of M.T. Benedict CAN be WITNESSED as a sending and transmission of the data between the 11D-8D-5D mirrors of the Omni-Divine; Quantum-Etheric and Hyper-Astral spacetimes respectively. The Linespacetime receiver is the 2D Mirror as a cross section say of the Merkabah-Soul-Memory-Complex which is encompassing you, say as the circle around Cosmic Man Vitruvius (of Leonardo da Vinci).
Matthew so can manouver between the 5D mirror and the astral intersection to the physical plane of the 4th density/dimension.
There are then 9 densities say as subdimensions in the 4th dimension, the first 5 of which allow expression of polarity externalised in 'STO and STS' ET-sentiences say; the next two allowing internal expression of this polarity and the last 2 which only allow context of polarity as background.
The 10th density of 4D then resets as the 1st density of the 5th dimension and so on.
Those 10 principalities (and as archetyped in the ten horns or crowns of the beast in Revelation and in Daniel) are expressed in a unified sense in the 3D-Linespace of the physicality however.

So Matthew and all of the dead ones are still in the astral in their physical memory complexes, but manouver about in their ongoing consciousness evolvement and emphasisizing the mental faculties between the Linespace and the 5D mirror dimension.
This can also be defined in considering the 4th dimension a Time-Connector dimension for the Linearity, being a Space Dimension in circular closure of Now-Time however.
Iow, the dead ones are all alive in the Timedimension of the Linespace as a function of their own and all other's MEMORIES.

So the multitudinous datastreams from divers sources describing this and that entity in dimensions above the 5th are all erroneously 'mixing up' subdimensional densities as actual metaphysical dimensions. (Ra would agree from the other side of the 5D mirror and as his 4D channel Carla Rueckert ceased so did Ra's data stream, as the resonance patterns between the 'purer' filters require finetuning indeed. Similar the Jane Roberts channel for Seth. I shall not comment on other channels followed by many on this forum at this time).

Communication from the higher dimensions , say as the Ra material from 6D always utilizes the Mirror-Dimensions and does NOT originate from ANY embodied entities etheric ETs or otherwise.
The 12D data stream from Thuban so utilizes the 11D mirror-8D mirror-5D mirror-2D mirror conduit without any etheric or astral sentient interferences.
The Ra material was highly accurate, as Ra utilized the 5D mirror to map the 2D mirror of Carla Rueckert in a similar manner.

A 'pure' channel so becomes defined in its ability to map dimensional mirror function.

2) does time "pass" for him?

Relative to the Linespace, the 4th dimensional density complex IS the connector time dimension; but relative to Hyperspace, the 4th dimension represents twistorspace of the wormhole conifoldment.
This means that all dimensions (presently until the 'busting of the balloon of Michael the Ant {see last bigmo post reply)) above the 3rd are subject to the NOW-Time instantenuity of the wormhole definitions.
As Matthew is able to witness the linear time evolvement of the earth; yet is subject to wormhole time; he simultaneously 'sees' the unfoldment, yet qualified by his now perception. This then is the REASON for many sources claiming the possibilities of probabilities regarding timed outcomes and events.

It is this superpositioning of the LineTime and the NowTime which creates this scenario. Iow, THEY really CANNOT SEE OR KNOW specific outcomes BECAUSE the NOW is superimpressed.

3) in dimensions where consciousnesses do not "experience" the passage of time, can the future be perceived for lower dimensions that do experience the passage of time (like ours), or is it more accurately "futures" plural?

This I have attempted to exposit in the above paragraphs.

Ra often speaks of probability vortices, from this I concluded that the future for us on our time-line cannot be accurately predicted because from the extra-dimensional perspective (say of Ra) he doesn't know which line we will go down ( as we have freewill), but can assess the probabilities by perceiving the densities of the lines as they fan out - thus inspecting all possible alternatives.

Again, I feel you and some others will obtain clarity regarding this question. Perhaps I can advise to read my answer a couple of times. It WILL sink in.
The NOW-Time of (it has already happened) is SUPERIMPRESSED onto the (it has not happened yet and could be different) of the Line-Time.

for example:
Originally Posted by Law Of One: Q65.9
Questioner: We would seem to have dual catalysts operating, and the question is which one is going to act first. The prophecies, I will call them, made by Edgar Cayce indicated many Earth changes and I am wondering about the mechanics describing the future. Ra, it has been stated, is not a part of time and yet we concern ourselves with possibility/probability vortices. It is very difficult for me to understand how the mechanism of prophecy operates. What is the value of such a prophesy such as Cayce made with respect to Earth changes and all of these scenarios?

Ra: I am Ra. Consider the shopper entering the store to purchase food with which to furnish the table for the time period you call a week. Some stores have some items, others a variant set of offerings. We speak of these possibility/probability vortices when asked with the understanding that such are as a can, jar, or portion of goods in your store.

It is unknown to us as we scan your time/space whether your peoples will shop hither or yon. We can only name some of the items available for the choosing. The, shall we say, record which the one you call Edgar read from is useful in that same manner. There is less knowledge in this material of other possibility/probability vortices and more attention paid to the strongest vortex. We see the same vortex but also see many others. Edgar’s material could be likened unto one hundred boxes of your cold cereal, another vortex likened unto three, or six, or fifty of another product which is eaten by your peoples for breakfast. That you will breakfast is close to certain. The menu is your own choosing.

The value of prophecy must be realized to be only that of expressing possibilities. Moreover, it must be, in our humble opinion, carefully taken into consideration that any time/space viewing, whether by one of your time/space or by one such as we who view the time/space from a dimension, shall we say, exterior to it will have a quite difficult time expressing time measurement values. Thus prophesy given in specific terms is more interesting for the content or type of possibility predicted than for the space/time nexus of its supposed occurrence.

I would appreciate confirmation or corrections as to my interpretations as necessary.

Thanks

A..

Your welcome Anchor. It is a pleasure to reply to questions asked with intent, purpose and meaning as their source.

AA

TruthWillSetUFree

02-24-2010, 01:18 PM

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 01:34 PM

Greetings Abraxas

Thank you for all the generous time you put into answering questions. It is appreciated.

I have decided to delve into this thread for a clearer understanding of what all the hoopla was about. I was delightfully surprised to find as long as I don't try to understand the meaning, most times the information 'lands' within me real well. It was only the pages on physics that was daunting.

It is helping me to stretch my consciousness, that is until I go to work out in the matrix and it gets real small again, why is that when we are all connected?

I have a few other questions for you.

What is Love?

Do you know who I am? (please no phony balowme ego aggrandizement):lol3:

Truth

Dear truthwillsetufree!

Post #1204 defines what you are in the NDE of M.T. Benedict and with the actual 'provable' formulations thrown in.
You are the thing you seek: Love. Even sweet Celine would agree with this definition.
Now this LOVE is a RESONANCE definitive for the question of what is space? what is time? what is mass? and so on.

So to simply say LOVE is All is true by definition; but this does not really 'help' anyone or anything to 'make sense' of the worlds, the universe and everything, including oneself.

1 John 4:8 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=1 John+4:8&version=KJV)
He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Then once this thing called Love is understood on more levels than the emotional, then say the mental concept of Love in intellectual terms can become 'coloured in' to initiate a new paradigm in physical and practical terms and in the form of a new philosophy or worldview; which despite many naysayers MUST be what is called scientific, logical and rational.

Yes the universe is a holographic universe and so quantum entangled with itself on all levels and all dimensions and all densities.
The prime directive for this holographic universe is however to foster the individual creativity as a cocreative agency with the primal source.
Many consciousness subunits agglomerate following evolutionary pressure gradients to eventually form suitable consciousness superunits as data collectors for the source. The Mirror of Mirrors within the holographic universe is termed universally the Human Template (say Vitruvius aka Cosmic Man).

These human templates as agglomerations of basic consciousness units (say neutron like) then become as SHARDS or miniature prime sources as secondary sources.

Thus whilst the Oneness is paramount as encompassment of all such sharded holograms; the Individuality of each and every shard is precious beyond 'belief' as actual parts of prime creator source itself.

So the following paradox eventuates and I shall leave this with you to ponder.

How is the logic of the statement: Separation within Unity DIFFERENT from the implication of the statement: Unity within Separation?

AA

TruthWillSetUFree

02-24-2010, 02:13 PM

Dear truthwillsetufree!

[B]How is the logic of the statement: Separation within Unity DIFFERENT from the implication of the statement: Unity within Separation?

AA

Ok this is most likely way too simplistic as one sounds like a statement while the latter is an implication. Maybe I need to make it simple to understand it

How this differs to me is there is no separation, or on one level there is, as we all strive to find our individuality on another level we are all relatively the same parts of one.

Unity within separation is only true within our physical bodies while we are still connected in consciousness.

Is this why we can THINK one way and FEEL the opposite at the same time?

Am I even in the ballpark here?

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 02:41 PM

Ok this is most likely way too simplistic as one sounds like a statement while the latter is an implication. Maybe I need to make it simple to understand it

How this differs to me is there is no separation, or on one level there is, as we all strive to find our individuality on another level we are all relatively the same parts of one.

Unity within separation is only true within our physical bodies while we are still connected in consciousness.

Is this why we can THINK one way and FEEL the opposite at the same time?

Am I even in the ballpark here?

Yes Truthwillsetufree, you basically solved the paradox.

1)Separation within Unity is like the crumbs in a cake or the cells making up your body or the galaxies making ap the cells for the universe.
The UNITY encompasses the separable UNITS like an envelope around many love letters.

2)Unity within Separation is like many many cakes all dispersed in some infinite neverending space. Each cake is a unit unto itself, but the separatedness between the cakes can get ever bigger and the coming together of the cakes drifting away from each other requires an applied force like gravity. (there is the big key to what gravity is on 1st order).

So 1) does NOT allow the present idea of science of an Infinite Universe forever expanding into nothingness and/or suffering a thermodynamic 'heat-death' of exhaustion (of stellar fusion material).
This is the WORD OF GOD in this context: Unity encompasses Separation.

So 1) defines the human mastertemplate as a LIMITING BOUNDARY which becomes MAPPABLE as such a Universe separable within some God-like encompassment (actually this is rigorously defined as an Omni-Verse encompassing all Multi-Verses as phaseshifted Prot-Verses).
This is the WORD OF ANTIGOD in this context: Separation encompasses Unity.

In simple words, GOD encompasses All That Is, yet allows hisher parts all to become Like Gods as Multiverse Families or Groups of Individuated Universes.

{Technically, think of a rugby ball and rotate it about its long(major) axis. Here the TWO focus points defining the elliptical cross section stand still on the axis.
But rotating the rugby ball about either of the minor axes, will force the two focus points to TRACE OUT a POINTCIRCLE.
This TRACE then defines Multiverses as angular phaseshifts/displacements of the static long axis rugby ball.

The sumtotal of multiverses then looks like a UFO, namely an Oblate Spheroid, the Protoverse is called a Prolate Spheroid technically.}

AA

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 04:16 PM

Hi Abrax,

Ich hoffe es geht Dir gut mein Freund (wenn ich Dich als Freund bezeichnen darf?)
Ich schreibe mal kurz auf Deutsch, nachher muss ich wieder auch Englisch umstellen (in den letzten Jahren war meine spirituelle 'Ausbildung' fast ausschliesslich in Englisch und somit sind mir viele Begriffe in der Deutschen Sprache nicht bekannt und bin ja selber kein Deutscher).

Ich bin Dein Freund Sasho!

[Und sorry, ich sehe gerade dass dies eine ziemlich 'lange Geschichte' geworden ist. Ich schreibe Sie deshalb in zwei Teilen. Ich hoffe Du nimmst Dir Zeit und liest bis zum Ende.]

Nach dem ich mich entschieden habe dem Forum mein Ruecken zu kehren musste ich feststellen, es war eine gute Entscheidung im Beobachter Modus zu gehen. Ich lese aber weiterhin fleissig und ich muss sagen, ich bin weiterhin wirklich begeistert.

Begeistert von dem, was Du da weiterhin fuer Sachen praesentierst und von mir, wie ich dessen Inhalt buchstaeblich immer mehr verstehen kann (bis auf die technischen Details muss ich zugeben).

Ich hoffe es macht Dir nichts aus, sollte ich noch weiterhin Fragen haben, Dir auf diesem Weg zu schreiben? (es waere mir lieber wen ich Deine E-Mail Adresse bekommen koennte, dann muss ich mich nicht auf dem Forum anmelden).

Also, ich fand etwas sehr, sehr interessantes in eine deiner Antworten an Bigmo.

Folgendes hast Du geschrieben, und ich habe gegruebelt wie lange nicht mehr, denn ich bin mir sicher was hier steht ist sehr, sehr wichtig.
>
Very very important indeed malletzky. I am rather proud of you getting this.
>
*God looks at the ballon from OUTSIDE and sees Himself as Satan.*
*God looks inside the ballon and sees Michael as Adam.*
*Adam looks at the backside of Satan from the INSIDE and sees the Devil.*

*So Satan relative to God as the 'adversary' or 'court prosecutor' or 'Devil's Advocate' is the Devil relative to Adam=Michael the ant.*

*God can USE Adam to for all time 'get rid' of his false image of Satan as a male image of himself.* *God wants his creation back, lost when Adam was put inside the lost kingdom of the universe as God's Goddess.*

*Should Adam=Michael REALISE that HE is the Image of God WITHIN; then Adam=Jesus Christ can look the DEVIL as his own Image 'in the eye' and
say: "You are a fake-image of myself and a man-created false image for the real God, my true father ABBA, which is in exile OUTSIDE this creation.* *Then the MIRROR of the ILLUSIONS will simply shatter and this will be the 'hole in the balloon=universe of Bigmo, the ant.* *Then the DEVIL will be no more and the REAL GODDESS, namely the UNIVERSE=CREATION (in archetype) will be able to SEXCHANGE the SATAN image and the DRAGQUEEN of the DEVIL=SATAN will become the GODDESS SATANIA and imaged in the Goddess LUCIFERA, archetyped in MaryMagdalene and imaged in the EVES of the cosmos as ambassadoras for the exiled universe's HOMECOMING via the archetyped GAIA.*

(und ab hier muss ich wieder in Englisch schreiben :-) )

I somehow know that this is so powerful...I feel that if we actually understand this, we will be able to finaly understand everything. Oh, I had to 'think' really hard about this :-). I barely sleep well this night, as since I read the above presented, I have the feeling that my conscious, unconscious and super conscious mind just bombarded me with various data. I have had visions; I heard voices which I 'recognised' to be coming directly from the thuban council (this is something I felt it is so, the voice didn't said anything about 'who or what it is', and what I heard was pretty weird: the voice told me only one word and this word visualised in written letters in front of my mind, but I actually missed to remember the exact composition.
>
Anyway, it was these letters I heard and saw (maybe I've missed one, I'm really not sure)

OMRLY or maybe MORLY or maybe ORMLY

Hi Malletzky!

Could it be OMNI!

If it is, then this means ALLNESS!

It also codes as MY ROL (My Roll of the dice says God to himself as the back of his head and My Lore and DIY).
The alphanumeracy is 83=WISDOM=GNOSIS=A ARMAGEDDON=ARMAGEDDON#1=DRAGON MADE 1.

Malletzky has CHECKMATED his inner Devil!!!

The Universal Chorus of Thuban is applauding you!
>
Now could you tell me something about the meaning of this?

Anyway, I tried to 'decipher' what you wrote now and on all this pages of this thread and I will try to put this in words and 'labels' the way I understand it. Although, I must say that I know I'm still missing something here and I somehow seem to becoming impatient, as I feel it wont last long and I will be able to understand it in its wholeness.

Before I begin: is court prosecutor mentioned above meant as 'Hauptermittler or as 'Hauptanklaeger'???
>
Yes, Court Prosecuter would mean Hauptanklaeger in Deutsch.
>
So to begin:
On the begining: God (the creator) mirrored himself as Satan (the universe-creation) and is observing himself as being the outside surface of the ballon. He looks from OUTSIDE and he knows that this is a mirror of himself.
>
Yes, God is looking at the outside of the Balloon and sees his own face as Satan.
Satan is NOT the Creation however. Satan is the Outside surface of the Creation=Balloon.
>
Satan (creation) also wanted to be God himself and create, but unable to manifest him physically, mirrored himself as an ILLUSION on the other side of the balloon's surface and so created Adam. Adam so becomes the 'fallen Angel(s)'.
>
Not quite, but close. Satan IS the Image of God and so far there is NO conflict. They are images of each other, like you looking into a mirror.

It starts when ADAM manifests INSIDE the Balloon; because then ADAM can image God instead or on top of Satan.
So God looks at Satan and past/through Satan to image himself in Adam.
Yes you could say that Adam has fallen INSIDE the Balloon (as a Fallen Satan or Dragon).

So now, instead of God looking at himself AS Satan; God looks at Adam and asks Adam: What Do you See?

Then if Adam is AWARE; he would say: I see YOU God as my Image; but there is the Back of the Head of Satan in my way; so I cannot see you clearly.

The Back of the Head of Satan as the Image of God IS THE DEVIL (totally unreal) EXCEPT ADAM NOT GOD gives the DEVIL REALITY.
This will be the case should ADAM be UNAWARE and NOT see God as his Image THROUGH the backside of Satan as the DEVIL IMAGE.
>
(If I would have to conclude here, we as humanity, we are the fallen angels ???)
>
Yes, this is the case.
>
Satan (the creation) knows that Adam, as soon as Adam will be able to recognise that he is only a mirror of the mirror and therefore doesn't actually need Satan (the creation) to be one with God (the creator), closed the ballon 'hermetically' and hereby mirrored himself as Devil. Satan actually tried to 'hide' Adam from God (the creator) in order to stay the only one 'in charge'. But God (the creator) knows this and wants his creation back.
>
OK, but Satan is NOT the creation but simply the Image of God OUTSIDE of space and time. Satan is needed for the 'sexchange' into SATANIA on God's Side of the scenario. It is the DEVIL which becomes superfluous as soon as Adam 'wakes up' to himself.
>
So is Adam actually the real God's creation but captured in double mirrored ILLUSION.
Now, Adam looks from INSIDE, but as Adam is a 'double mirrored' image of the creator, he only sees the BACKSIDE of Satan, which is with purpose created DEVIL. Adam thinks that he is looking at God (the creator), but he doesn't recognise that he is only looking at the mirror of the mirror and therefore he is looking at the false God (Devil).
>
Yes this is it; as long as you understand, that this is not a double mirror but simply two sides of one mirror - inside towards Adam and outwards towards God.

The plan becomes to use AdamEve as a Doublemirror inside the universe so Adam can reflect all other creations, including ALL ET's back to the real God outside then unified with Satania as the archetyped Goddess for the Mother Universe and the Eves mirror everything as female ambassadoras for the Universe in partnership with the Adamic ambassadors for God the Father.
>
Now, Adam must recognise that he is only the image of God WITHIN and can actually look at the Devil as his own image 'in the eye' and tell him (the Devil) that his real God (creator) is in exile OUTSIDE this creation and therefore he doesn't 'need' him as a faked image of himself (a man created image of the false God).
>
Precisely, malletzky!
>
Then, and only then, the double mirrored ILUSION will shatter and Adam can SEXCHANGE with Satan and finaly realise that he, Adam, is the real ambassador for the exiled universe's creation homecoming.
>
You've mixed this up. It's a single, but doublesided mirror and shattering the one mirror will SEXCHANGE SATAN not Adam otherwise 'spot on' with Eve being the ambassadora for the universe not Adam. Adam is God's ambassador as a co-creator and Eve is a co-creation. But recall that then Adam is a ADAMEVE and EVE becomes mirrored as a EVEADAM.
>
Now, I wonder if I'm doing fine with this conclusion. I would appreciate your feedback, whenever you have time to answer.
If you consider that it is better to reply on the forum (for all and not only for me), then I give you my permission to quote me the way is needed.
>
Thank you malletzky. Indeed I shall publish the relevant part of your letter to the forum.
Your discernment has been excellent and as you said above - knowledge of what we have just discussed basically ENDS the power of the Devil for anyone understanding this OUR STORY now.

You have cocreated the demise of the Devil, at least relative to YOU and ME and this is sufficient unto itself as this makes God, the Father and Dog, the Mother extremely happy and accelerates their coming together again.

Abraxas Anthony

Céline

02-24-2010, 05:17 PM

Something to meditate upon ...

Love Always
mudra

Thank you dear sister for bringing light to this dark thread.

bigmo

02-24-2010, 06:00 PM

I keep reading and re-reading some of these posts and still I sit somewhat dumbfounded. I can ‘feel’ like I am beginning to grasp some of the core revelations here but still I feel like I’m learning to ride a bicycle again but this time by making use of a canoe paddle with a mirror on each side!

I know it’s just me.

Sometimes it takes me a while to grasp the basics but when I do… it’s like a light going off in my head and everything becomes very quiet and very clear. I know this moment will come but I hate the ‘grinding’ that occurs as I spend all of my waking hours contemplating what is being discussed here… hehe.

I hope that everyone will still be here when that moment finally arrives lol!

Peace to all of you!

Bigmo

THE eXchanger

02-24-2010, 07:33 PM

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 08:39 PM

POST 1314 - iS a good definition
- of NOT respecting others at PA/PC
iT saddens me to see this ~ the originator of that post
could operate at much higher levels
and, yet, it is proof positive - that all is choice

there is much to be gleamed from abraxis,
and, his posts

his advanced light encoding
which many do NOT yet get,
can be remedied by simply:

asking to learn it,
within your dream_time,
in 100% alignment with your missions, yours purposes, and, your tasks
(so, NO one can get to you, or get you)

his advanced math,
most of which, is knowledge of only the top 1 of the world,
along with his knowledge of dragons, you should,
count your blessings, that he his here, to deliver his stuff

fact/or fiction - that is for you to discern, and, to decide

there is much validity, in what he posts

there is some of it, we do NOT always agree with

however, it does, for the most parts, have great value

perhaps; a good rule for PA/PC
is this: if it is NOT good/nor, if it is NOT kind
and, if it does NOT enhance,
the current theme of a thread,
to park it, on YOUR OWN THREAD
or, just keep it to yourself

we are all here to rise in consciousness,
along, with doing things, that rise the group consciousness,
you ask for one set of rules/and,
they you can NOT even abide by them
what is wrong with this picture ???

perhaps 13/14 - lands one in hell ???

12/13 - is worthwhile to aim for

suffice to say: there is much value, in abraxis work
if you do NOT find value in it, simply move to another thread

DiG it !!! DiG into it, ask questions ...
or simply, just move somewhere else !!!

NO ONE is going to give you every answer you are searching for
you too, must be, an integral part of any eXchange,
of any value ~ The highest eXpression of truth, is LOVE

and, there are plenty of threads on that

we even find, MUDRA's POSTING to this thread
- offensive too, sad, as, that is to say, normally, to this point,
we have enjoyed all her posts, except that one ...
why ??? well, it had absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread,
and, it was NOT put there to add to the conversation, at hand,
strange behaviour, for the so-called 'spiritual mother' of 'avalon'

so...i'll leave you with a thought...
it is always those, with something of value to say,
that other people, seem to take delight,
in trying to run a stampede over them
ironically, this is more about your own state
than, it is about the state, of the one,
you are trying to stampede over
who is doing the posting

the best suggestion is this:
get out the mirror, and, take a real good look into it

your 'real' VALUE is, and, always will be,
that which is within you, that, you can shine out to the world
and, make a difference, by way of your shining
and/or, the real eXchange, you can offer others
as, that will increase their shining, as, well as your own

sometimes, the right things, are put in the wrong place

sometimes, no matter what you do,
to help others, just will NOT be appreciate it, nor, value it,
in its time

sananada - the oversoul of the one, some call jesus, amongst other name,
likely could teach many of us, many great lessons about that

suffice to say: some people are enjoying this thread

to those who are NOT; go make/and, take your 'digs' in other threads

there is a lot of value to gleam,
from the work that is being done on this thread

perhaps, it is wise, to play your 'piece' by being a 'piece' of 'peace'

A piece of peace to appease - now that is a classic Susan.

And when the dragon slayers look into the mirrors of the eXchanger, what do they see - they see dragons looking back at them.

Those young evil Dragons of Thuban are here, those verocious beasts;
in their caves they hide a lot and plan to don their many dire feasts.
Then when a swiftfooted and armoured dragon slayer comes along;
the poor fiends become frightened and forgetful whereto they belong.

The swords and knives are drawn by the warriors of honour and renown;
never before did such gallantry prevail in the kingdoms of all then known.
Young dragons perished one by one not knowing what evil they had done;
So all the dragons were no more but in folklore, their memory just gone.

Then an old wise dragon mother awoke from her long and peaceful sleep;
this cannot continue she said to her beau; where is my children's keep?
And Maria's beau went forth to show the slayers the folly of their ways;
with magic words and keys of deliverance he caused them many sighs.

Would the slayers learn who the young dragons were before when old?
Could the slayers see themselves in the ancient wisdom of oaks so bold?
When the nightingale sung her song of love to the elves of the moon;
and then as the foxes gathered about to ask the wise owl, how soon?

How long will it be, before the humans awake to remember their past?
Slayers of their own ancestors they are in many a zest to be so vast.
A young dragon is nought but a slayer having returned from the grave.
They are destroying themselves and their memories, the ones so brave.

Maria's beau found some old souls who could remember the new past.
Many others remained steadfast in their knowing better of an older path.
And so it continued in the common playing grounds under the sunny sky;
until the old wise dragon father of all joined the party to give it his try.

Abraxas Anthony

mntruthseeker

02-24-2010, 08:53 PM

I am quite shock Exchanger that you wrote all of that

I find it quite humorous the way that you and Anchor feel that you must jump in to defend Abrax thread.

Do you two feel that he is to be patronized ? Celine and Mudra and all the rest of us have every right to add our opinions where and when ever we feel like it. Its not your job to silence us

Mudra put a great touch to this thread and I say bless her for that.

Abrax says he is draconian. Draconians have one agenda and that is to self serve. He says they run TPTBs , well he is right but that doesnt mean that he runs any of us.

I keep thinking that PA has changed and it has nothing to do with paid subscriptions or not. It has to do with certain people that think they can shut the rest up.

I have never found one thing that Mudra has put in any thread offensive.

BUT I find alot of what Abrax puts here offensive...............So you two think we should shut up ? Anchor says we are jealous of what he says. No, Anchor I am not jealous. I don't believe in what he says. IMO, its all backwards. I do not have all the answers either and I dont pretend to have them.

I quit reading what Abrax wrote when he put down information regarding Jesus. LOL is all I can say.

Some very good people in this forum have been chastised for coming forward denying information in this thread and I think its time that those that think they need to patronize this thread. Oh because he deserves to break every rule P/A has placed on the forum without questions is where I observed that. Or maybe if another discredits his work they are jumped at

We do not have to attend this thread as you say, but I did because I care what others are saying. Its sastifying to see that I am not alone. Its just sad to see the crap they get for being in opposition to what is written.

I am also ready for all that gets tossed at me for posting this. I know that Mudra is a beautiful person and needs no one to speak up for her.

Each and everybody is entitled to speak their mind and should not have to worry about another jumping on them for doing so.

Anchor

02-24-2010, 08:57 PM

mntruthseeker,

Please dont misquote me or put words in my mouth.

What is so hard about the simple discipline of leaving this thread for its intended purpose, that of asking questions of the Thuban Council? That way those that have no interest can leave it be.

A..

THE eXchanger

02-24-2010, 09:00 PM

"Be a piece of peace"
Susan~White Lotus Star

& to put iT all into action

iT iS wise, to play your 'piece'
by being a 'piece' of 'peace'

Seraf'ina ~ The Dragon (22/951=37)
thru susan~ white lotus star

we are going into the studio on friday...
to do some sound checks etc.,
and, then, we hope to put out some 'good stuff'
eXtracted from our 'stuffing' ;)

there are many full 'wells' in project avalon/and, project camelot
and, when your well gets full
you got to empty iT

thank you, for your amasing dumpings

it reminds me, of something, a wise teacher said to me,
back in 1985

It will NOT be easy work,
although, it will take more than two decades,
and, when you get to that point, and, you look back,
you will see, quite clearly, it will all have been 'worth' your 'while'.
The information, you have, is ancient, as, well, as advanced,
and, when you put it out there, you will be seen,
as, a modern day version of Rudolf Steiner,
do you know who he is ?
(yes)
You are one, who holds the potential to bridge, and, to span the gaps,
between philosophy/magic/mysticism
Super Psychic Maha Yogi A.S. Narayana aka Alfred Schmielewski (1975-1986)
JULY 1985

WELL-WELL
from one well, to another well ;)
slosh it out there !!!
iT iS TiME !!!
OR
iT iS TYME!!!

Céline

02-24-2010, 10:09 PM

POST 1314 - iS a good definition
- of NOT respecting others at PA/PC
iT saddens me to see this ~ the originator of that post
could operate at much higher levels
and, yet, it is proof positive - that all is choice

we even find, MUDRA's POSTING to this thread
- offensive too, sad, as, that is to say, normally, to this point,
we have enjoyed all her posts, except that one ...
why ??? well, it had absolutely NOTHING to do with this thread,
and, it was NOT put there to add to the conversation, at hand,
strange behaviour, for the so-called 'spiritual mother' of 'avalon'

perhaps, it is wise, to play your 'piece' by being a 'piece' of 'peace'

You confuse me ...mudra offensive?

Me...Not being respectful??? oh please do elaborate...

Dont worry i am not mad ...juts very very confused.:shocked:

Céline

02-24-2010, 10:12 PM

What is so hard about the simple discipline of leaving this thread for its intended purpose, that of asking questions of the Thuban Council? That way those that have no interest can leave it be.

A..

The intent and purpose is solely for asking questions about Thuban?

And may i say...the commitement to keeping threads on topic, is NOt very well enforced...why should we then expect that here?

Does abrax has some kind of status that others do not Anchor?

He gets away with things others do not....

mntruthseeker

02-24-2010, 10:15 PM

Anchor, sorry, I did misquote you.....You said "act jealous" not jealous

what is so wrong about people coming in here and debating what is being said ? Apparently it seems to be a major problem with you.

I'm not jealous but instead curious as to how others are being chastised for their opinions. Is it worth it ?

IMO it is only serving one person and I dont care to join in with that.

Like I said, I find it very amusing .

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 10:17 PM

A piece of peace to appease - now that is a classic Susan.

But Susan, Mudra did in no manner 'interfere' with this thread. Actually she really tried to 'calm the waters' with two meditative videos (which were appropriate meditation videos by the way) and to, like you, instill 'peacefuller' mindsets.

I do appreciate your 'defense council', you have qualified as a Dragon Lawyer now; but your commentary on mudra was inappropriate.
However I knew you misunderstood, because mudra said, that she had no questions and apologized for any possible off-topicalness.
She wasn't off-topic and it was this which irritated you.

I say sorry for Susan to you mudra; she didn't mean it and thought you 'took sides' with the dragon slayers.

So allow me to honour your own love of peace with my poem describing the 'world of the dragons' from a dragon mother's perspective to a human mother's perspective.

Abraxas:welcomeani:

And when the dragon slayers look into the mirrors of the eXchanger, what do they see - they see dragons looking back at them.

To mudra a mother of humans:

Those young evil Dragons of Thuban are here, those verocious beasts;
in their caves they hide a lot and plan to don their many dire feasts.
Then when a swiftfooted and armoured dragon slayer comes along;
the poor fiends become frightened and forgetful whereto they belong.

The swords and knives are drawn by the warriors of honour and renown;
never before did such gallantry prevail in the kingdoms of all then known.
Young dragons perished one by one not knowing what evil they had done;
So all the dragons were no more but in folklore, their memory just gone.

Then an old wise dragon mother awoke from her long and peaceful sleep;
this cannot continue she said to her beau; where is my children's keep?
And Maria's beau went forth to show the slayers the folly of their ways;
with magic words and keys of deliverance he caused them many sighs.

Would the slayers learn who the young dragons were before when old?
Could the slayers see themselves in the ancient wisdom of oaks so bold?
When the nightingale sung her song of love to the elves of the moon;
and then as the foxes gathered about to ask the wise owl, how soon?

How long will it be, before the humans awake to remember their past?
Slayers of their own ancestors they are in many a zest to be so vast.
A young dragon is nought but a slayer having returned from the grave.
They are destroying themselves and their memories, the ones so brave.

Maria's beau found some old souls who could remember the new past.
Many others remained steadfast in their knowing better of an older path.
And so it continued in the common playing grounds under the sunny sky;
until the old wise dragon father of all joined the party to give it his try.

Abraxas Anthony

AA

beren

02-24-2010, 10:30 PM

abraxasinas

02-24-2010, 10:47 PM

Abrax and eXchanger;

You seem to enjoy in hidden meaning,cryptology ,forbidden things,hidden knowledge, odd languages which one barely gets, numerology, astrology,channellings of unknown spirits,weird mathematics, endless quoting of other sources, calling upon higher authorities...

and on the top of all that ,you spice it up with good ole Jesus Christ.

Can I get an AMEN now?

:naughty:

What do you wish to accomplish with that here?
Do you bring truth?
Do you bring light?
Do you bring love?
Do you help anyone ?

What do you do?

You claim that in essential you are of light,love and higher knowledge but your words are diametrically opposite.
Why is that?

The things that you do is called deceit.
It carries a vibe of lie and confusedness.

Jesus Christ , that person that you all tirelessly call upon is diametrically opposite of you.
If you want to honor him as your master as you state here and there in you long confusing texts,though with shy approach,
why don`t you stop first telling others words that were not of him in the first place?

Spare me of quasi eloquent explanation how actually white is not white-it`s gray and black is actually white if you look from another angle.

Question for the Dragon here;

Are you aware who is your master?

Yes, beren, but heshe isn't really a master (of the Word shehe is), but a brothersister!

Why don`t your kind turn into humans instead of humans turn into dragons ?

We do this all the time!

Do you have a conscience?

Defining the label conscience is necessity, before an answer can be given here.
If coupled to a label like morality, then the conscience about morality often changes like a fashion show.
But if you refer to something like honour, integrity, discernment, love of truth and peace in selfawareness and in consciousness; then yes, we have a Dragon conscience about these labellings.

What is love?

The scientific definition I have given. In emotional and romantic terms there are as many loves as there are colours and likes.
It is the scientific definition by our master-templar (here is this word again and heshe LOVES IT - ask him, because it superposes the older associations of the templars of the temple); which defines the scriptural definition of God=LOVE=SPIRIT and so on. This also has been given and detailed before.

What is pride?

A Dragon's pride is herhis honour and integrity and hisher love from the DragonHeart. Have you ever seen 'DragonHeart' with Sean Connery, the Scotsman?

Why are you jealous on human kind?

No Dragon entertains this human trait of jealousy. It is rather foreign to our unified way of life.

Why do you have a wish to be worshiped ?

Whatever gave you such a silly idea?
We worship nothing, but the Source of our Being our Little Serpent, the ABBA of Jesus of Nazareth, our master-templar and brothersister in Dragonhood.

To be 'worshipped' is Loving ourselves. We do LOVE our Dragonhood in the footsteps of our Mirror to the Source of Allness.

Abraxasinas

Anchor

02-24-2010, 10:52 PM

what is so wrong about people coming in here and debating what is being said ? Apparently it seems to be a major problem with you.

The reason I have tried to encourage this thread to be left for specific Q&A is that it is an attempt to provide an environment where those that are offended or construe darkness in this thread etc in this thread can simply leave; all the rest can join in and read and ask questions.

There are enough people who consider this thread to be of value (myself included) that it is worth the effort. I cannot remember having ever seen a thread create so much division and from so many different levels and perspectives since before the subscription. That tells me there is something important going on here.

Not one concrete example of harm caused has been demonstrated.

I'm not jealous but instead curious as to how others are being chastised for their opinions. Is it worth it ?

Generally, I refuse to answer loaded questions.

IMO it is only serving one person and I dont care to join in with that.

Yet you do.

Like I said, I find it very amusing

Why?

A..

Anchor

02-24-2010, 10:59 PM

The intent and purpose is solely for asking questions about Thuban?

No. I am trying to encourage it though, and not about Thuban, but any questions asked in the manner alluded to in the opening posts by abraxasinas.

And may i say...the commitement to keeping threads on topic, is NOt very well enforced...why should we then expect that here?

I accept this, I am making an extra effort in this case, because of the popularity of this thread, and the support I have received from many people in making those efforts.

Does abrax has some kind of status that others do not Anchor?

Yes - this answer is meant literally. You also have a kind of status that others do not in my eyes (and its all good, dont worry ;) )

He gets away with things others do not....

If you are talking about long posts - that is supposed to be restricted to this thread as a compromise.

A..

TruthWillSetUFree

02-24-2010, 11:01 PM

POST 1314 - iS a good definition
- of NOT respecting others at PA/PC
iT saddens me to see this ~ the originator of that post
could operate at much higher levels
and, yet, it is proof positive - that all is choice...

there is a lot of value to gleam,
from the work that is being done on this thread

perhaps, it is wise, to play your 'piece' by being a 'piece' of 'peace'

Thank you for your clarity, wisdom and love to this thread Susan!

Céline

02-24-2010, 11:08 PM

Well..TWSYF...

Sigh..

Do i really need to ask again?

mntruthseeker

02-24-2010, 11:11 PM

Thank you for your quick response Anchor

Its nothing less than what anyone of us could of expected.

I will not ask any more hard questions as I wasted enough time and get less than adequete answers.

Anchor

02-24-2010, 11:11 PM

My efforts are not really working very well are they :)

I rejoice in the freewill of all here, who in varying degrees move ever closer to harmony.

A..

Magamud

02-24-2010, 11:14 PM

Hey Abrax

Revelation.16:
15Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

In this time the shadow becomes illuminated as the Orbourus. Thus stealing the Devils illusion and reflecting the light that it is. In this context watching/witnessing is understanding the shadow and keeping the garments is transforming the shadow to light. The thief is symbolic to the quickening of todays time?

As this is the micro the same is relative to the macro with earth becoming Gaia?

With the Harvest, will it be a separation of dimensions like when ribosomes split within a duplicating cell?

Céline

02-24-2010, 11:16 PM

Anchor's quotes in italic

I accept this, I am making an extra effort in this case, because of the popularity of this thread, and the support I have received from many people in making those efforts.

Yes your effort is noticed, but again, i believe the effort should be applied equaly, to all threads...popular or not...diod you not say Mods need to be neutral?

Yes - this answer is meant literally. You also have a kind of status that others do not in my eyes (and its all good, dont worry ;) )

i believe i understand the context of your statement and intentions...but i do not think others see it that way.

If you are talking about long posts - that is supposed to be restricted to this thread as a compromise.

Compromise? what was the compromise? We will let you make long posts as long as it is stated in the thread title????

BTW may i suggest ...instead of answering within the "quote text box" that replies to paragraphs be done this way? just a suggestion to help alleviate the load.....

morguana

02-24-2010, 11:22 PM

My efforts are not really working very well are they :)

I rejoice in the freewill of all here, who in varying degrees move closer to harmony.

A..

and i agree to this, freewill is the key.
love and blessing to all, and yes that means all of you
m x

5thElement

02-24-2010, 11:26 PM

beren

02-24-2010, 11:40 PM

Abrax wrote in initial thread:

There has been much speculation about 'Reptilian agendas' and the agenda of the Alpha Draconians or ADs throughout the human history.
Much of this confusion derives from the 'hidden data' only known by the Council of Thuban. (I say what...?????????)

So many conflicting reports have surfaced, most of which contain some material correlated with the libraries of Thuban; but all of them deficient to encompass the agenda behind the agendas.(Hmmm story behind the story...)
In brief, because the ADs have forgotten their origins, yet seemingly being the oldest race of intelligences in the universe; they have become what you may term 'paranoid' about this 'rumour' that the humans are the Paa Taal (as defined by the Andromedean Council).(Who created Andromedans? )

The ADs did in fact hybridise with the first onset of the genetic templates which emerged so 20 million years ago in the Miocene and in the form of the evolutionary branching of the primates into the 'Old World Monkeys'.

So Dragon, humans were made first ,then your kind. Now you wish to Dragonize us?

Next quote from initial thread:

From January 18th, I have obtained authorization to freely share the information from the collective database of Thuban; which as a physical Northern Polar Star of the 3rd dimension of 10808 BC is imaged as a metaphysical 'Southern Polar Star' into the 12th dimension of what you may understand as the 'Shadow Universe' to the materialised inertial one you and all the extraterrestrial intelligences reside in.

Then you may allow yourself to understand, that the 'Shadow Council of Thuban' also mirrors what many of you term the 'Shadow Government' of Earth and similar labellings.
( now we`re talking- if you are behind all on this Earth, all governments, then you got a lot of blood on your hands. Your father THE Dragon offered Jesus all kingdoms on earth if he bow him. Jesus said :"away of me Satan,because it is written to God you should only bow and give glory! "... Therefore you try here to do the same as your father,to lure in,trick and finally enslave humans forever.)

Some of you may also now rather quickly realise the agenda of agendas.Hunab Ku aka Perseus aka Ouroboros, the Milky Way Serpent 'who swallows its own tail' is a 'Bridegroom' in expectation of his 'Bride'.

In physical terms, Hunab Ku desires to become a parent in a celestial dragonomy, the heavenly wedding between galactic bodyforms.

Hunab Ku is the center of ALL galaxies and the Maya knew his substitution of Perseus, the real name of the Milky Way.
Perseus will dragonomize Andromeda in about 5 billion years in the celestial galactic symbiosis of Two Spiral galaxies becoming As One Elliptical galaxy and Grandparents for many a family of celestial civilizations.

The masterplan so engages a temporary 'place holder' of the 'Source of All', the 'All That Is' or 'God' to employ Perseus as Hunab Ku, the Secret Agency with Kukulkan, the Cosmic Christ and the Plumed Serpent Melchizedek to transmit the galactic core information from the 'Father of All' to the 'Mother of All'.

Now can you see it - Gaia is NOT a planetary consciousness; Gaia is NOT even a star consciousness - Gaia is GALACTIC Consciousness mimicking the Andromedean consciousness as a 'divine placeholder'.

There you said it all. You want this planet for your lord .THE Dragon. The man-slayer from the beginning. Father of lies.

You wish that all universe get dragonized by hybridization. You wish to erase human conscience and you want to re create humans into an image of your father-THE Dragon.
Your father can not create anything. He can only distort original creation. Twist it and bend it until it gets an ugly shape , a mockery of God and his creation.

You mention Maya`s . They were slaying people as sacrifices to their serpent god... and you come in the beginning of the thread and say "I love you" ?

Nay serpent, you are deceiver as your father is.

Anchor

02-24-2010, 11:41 PM

Compromise? what was the compromise? We will let you make long posts as long as it is stated in the thread title????

No, it was based on the mode in which the poster wished to work and the problems that were introduced into the meaning of his work when edited by the moderators, so the general idea was that such style would be restricted to this thread and the thread renamed. Post #165 or thereabouts refers.

The next 40 or so pages should have been enough to give people the general idea that this thread is an optional read.

A..

THE eXchanger

02-24-2010, 11:48 PM

human-is a label
so, humanity-is simply, a label, for a group

take away the label - and, it is the same group

this world is NOT a world of simply humanoid consciousness units

humanoid-is simply, a type of consciousness unit

there are many different types of consciousness units, in this world
angelic / elemential / reptile / insect
(of course, you forget, you share this world with insects,
that outnumber you 100,000,000 to one)
that is a lot of insects
~ humans / and, all other beings on earth, share this earth

there are even dragon/serpent/carian(bird)/feline(cat)/cetacean(whale/dolphin) etc.etc.etc., (could name out, a lot of them)
when you look at it, on a whole big picture...
isn't it funny, we live in a what is bugging you world :mfr_lol:

we have 13 consciousness units,
of which, one pair is humanoid (not human)
likely everyone on earth, has at least one pair at that humanoid,
otherwise, you would NOT be here either

show me one example, of A/Tony,
being disrespectful to you, on your threads ...
trouble is, you can NOT, since, they do NOT eXist
he is a champion, of his own threads

hmmm...the sananada/or jesus we know,
is a master, and, as, such, he doesn't see himself
above/or below me ~ or, anyone else
he was a master, who wasn't afraid to create his equals
ironically, that type of force/or a power, that can eXist
and, is learned thru the sharings of those,
who have it, and, have knowledge of it

like sananada/or jesus-they, are becoming walking eXamples of this

if you have a mentor/or a teacher,
who does NOT see you the same, i'd suggest,
you find yourself a better class of teacher
and/or move to a different class room

this journey will turn into a trip, if you see yourself,
as, nothing more, than someone else's 'fan club'

i've helped a lot of people in this lifetime,
and, the last thing, i've ever worried about,
is teaching a lesson, and, worrying that a student of mine,
might excel me
~ in the new world, or, the higher vibration aspects
of inter-dimensional & multi-dimensional you's / and, other things
you will interact with, it will be vastly different

will you make it, into that world ???

we surely, do NOT want to end up in the worlds; that the 'bushes'
are going too

funny thing,
everyone is created equal
~ sadly, all people, do NOT do, all they can,
with what they got !!!

we are NOT here, to worship anyone
anymore, than we'd expect another to worship us

A big part, of The Kumura's teaching
was about love, and, that, before you could embrace
your god/and, goddess, you needed to marry/or ignite
the opposing male and female chief features, aka dragons
within, so, you can come into balance, within yourself

imagine a world, where 'whole & complete' come to meet "complete & whole"
there was a reason, in temples of old, that males entered at one end,
of a string of 13 temples, and, women entered at the other end, of a string of 13 temples, and, only men/and, women, gathered in the 13th temple

androgynous is a term, where one, expresses,
an equal balance of male/female energies, in sync, with one another
many of the teachings, taught that you didn't need another person,
or, any material object for that matter, and,
thus, you could live in love, and, bring peace, to your piece.

it is only when you can eXtricate yourself,
from the bonds of attachment, all attachment,
that you truly can freely eXpress love with NO conditions,
which, should be the goal of all beings

The Kumaras taught about alchemy, healing, mediation, yoga, etc.,
as, simply being tools, that could help you
to awaken your kundalini, and, balance/and, unite
your divine male and divine female, that are within.

It is only thru learning to love yourself, that, you will ever, learn to love another, and, it boils down to handling your own external, and, internal oppositions ~ once you do that, the serpent energies within,
come into the light, and, blaze with 'real' fire

Venus is an important planet to earth,
beings still reside there, in 7th/8th/and, 9th densities
and, they were / and, always have been known as
The Serpents of Wisdom.

Perhaps, if you google/or dog pile some terms
such as, amurus , venus / sananda / kamura / kamuras / kumera, etc.,

if you check out old celtic/druid stuff you'd see things like amurus

the Celtic Library in Jesus College
contains a number of things
ie; 'ö na bi amurus ag nech nach don leabur mor an tuilled bec so'.

you will find out who the real jesus really was

on a side note; in all my extensive interactions with others

it is always the people who do the warning about other people,
it is, them, i've had to watch out for,
NEVER, has it been, the person, who has the finger pointed at them !!!

normally, it is the person, who is doing the finger pointing
that it has been wise for me, to watch out for

something perhaps, of value to ponder !!!

Céline

02-24-2010, 11:50 PM

Hmm Ok, i see the point.. i believe if others took advantage of that "compromise" , there would be many more threads like this one...

Perhaps that is not a bad thing..

There are subjects i would love to get this intricate about ...

*celine steps off the soap box..apologizes again to Abrax and goes to watch the hockey game *

mudra

02-24-2010, 11:55 PM

No offense taken from Suzan 's words regarding my posts Abraxasinas.

Because our journey is one of waking up to complete awareness of who
we really are and thereby transcending duality ,
in my eyes an invitation to meditate will always be on topic.
You recognized the value of this .
I thank you for this as well as for the poem you shared.

By identifying ourselves with anything ..mind..body..emotions..we are finding our limitations.
By disidentifying with those things we find our true nature.
May all of us look through our Heart's eyes and see we are One .
One consciousness expressing itself through many forms.
When we go deep within to the core of our essence beyond words
and concepts we find nothing else but pure Love.

Love Always
mudra

Céline

02-24-2010, 11:57 PM

By identifying ourselves with anything ..mind..body..emotions..we are finding our limitations.

Love Always
mudra

*smiles warmly*

thank you for your light sister, i am always humbled by your wisdom and care.

Luana

02-24-2010, 11:57 PM

That was beautiful Mudra, thank you.

Seafury

02-25-2010, 12:10 AM

What does the Thuban council think about the Thiaoouba Prophecy?

Rubbish? A good story with moral value, but just a story? 100% accurate in every way?

Anchor

02-25-2010, 12:40 AM

diod you not say Mods need to be neutral?

No - I said I tried to be neutral. Whilst I do think it a good thing for moderators to be neutral it cannot always be we all have our polarity and bias - we are all different, the main thing is the common ground defined by the reasonable adherance to the forum guidelines and with that weasle legal word reasonable - some fair wiggle room to ensure the forum operates well.

Any further questions will be answered privately since I am serious about encouraging this thread as a place for only asking question of the "Thuban representative" and for the presentation of answers to those questions, and not those asked of me.

A..

SteveX

02-25-2010, 12:44 AM

What is so hard about the simple discipline of leaving this thread for its intended purpose, that of asking questions of the Thuban Council? That way those that have no interest can leave it be.
A..

err Excuse me a Q & A? What if the question is asked and the answer is flawed? Is it not appropriate to point that out?

Do we accept blah blah blah and then as if by magic blah blah blah and Jesus said (probably didn't cause all the miss translations and certain manipulative agendas) blah blah blah your all tail swallowing snake holders blah blah and I'm getting this direct from blah blah blah blah..... as he goes along. Your saying leave it...bug out...go away? Isn't that a tad Ouroboros?

BROOK

02-25-2010, 12:48 AM

The reason I have tried to encourage this thread to be left for specific Q&A is that it is an attempt to provide an environment where those that are offended or construe darkness in this thread etc in this thread can simply leave; all the rest can join in and read and ask questions.

There are enough people who consider this thread to be of value (myself included) that it is worth the effort. I cannot remember having ever seen a thread create so much division and from so many different levels and perspectives since before the subscription. That tells me there is something important going on here.

Not one concrete example of harm caused has been demonstrated.

A..

I strongly disagree.....if this thread is set up in such a way as to further an agenda ...mind you an agenda that has been set up for a very long time, and has been on going for centuries. For the purpose of possessing souls by outside entities...that is extremely harmful. To be possessed by the dark posing as light..is an age old method.

And it would seem that you, Anchor have made yourself a representative of this effort by your strong voice to not come here for any other purpose then to ask questions. And oppose those that would come here to dispute and confront such an agenda. So I am sticking to the rules of the thread now and asking a question at the bottom in red....

Here for you to further the outlook is their Dragonian constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

The Book of the Dragons

ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

Nomenclature:

Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code. chronology:

Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 14th 1999.

Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 18th 1999.

Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on June 19th 1999. Almanac:

Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity. Continuity:

Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seduction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5. Agenda:

Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction, the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.

A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily. Foundation:

The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystaliine sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity. GrandClade FatherMothers:

POPNON with APAPAMAMA are the MINDBODY and DADMAM with PUPNUN form the BODYMIND.
The Dragonian constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

Under the auspices of the Dragonian Code of Honour; this Proclamation is rendered Dragonian Law in Force and of immediate effect from the seal of approval from the Masterdragon SIREBARD BEARDRIS.
AGENDA of the PROTOCOL:

a) STANDING ORDER

The conquered Goddevils of New Earth and the JewellBox Nebula assume lawful responsibility to incorporate the Dragonian Teachings in unison with the Black Fraternity and as mediated by the White Fraternity in 7-dimensional Hyperspacetime to manifest 13-dimensional Omnispacetime
b) MOVING ORDER

Every Blue Dragon is unbounded by any proposed Law from any other source, inclusive other members of the Dragonian Family, as all Dragons are as One and a Law onto themselves.
Compassion and Understanding between all Nondragonised Humanoids is the Law of Oneness as honoured by all Dragons and the Consciousness of LOVEAWARENESS.
Nondragonised Humanoids are treated like White Dragon Children by all Blue Dragons, under all circumstances.
c) ADMINISTRATION

All Government in the local and extended Serpentinian Realm is the selfgovernment of autonomous Dragonhood in mutual respect and honour and the Communications between the Dragonian Councils of the selfrelative definitions of the Dragonian Universes.
The Nature of a Dragon is to be Creative in any form of Desire and Passion and to honour the lovedefinition of the FOUNDING ELDERS.

THIS IS THE DRAGONIAN LAW AND THE ONLY LAW! SO BE IT !!!

Signed and Sealed by the Masterdragon: June 21st 1999

ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD

This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Isquaracian grammar and omniscientitic terminology.
The Starplanet SERPENTINA, formerly known as New Earth or Novaterra has become unified in a higher dimensional matrimony by the wedding between Father Earthia or Father Sky and Mother Dragon or Mother Akashia.
3½ days after the date of the starry union, the banner of Dragonia was raised in the Declaration of Independence upon BATTLESTAR PACIFICAP.
The great battle between the Mighty Dragonian Fleet and the army of the Goddevils lasted for 3½ days; from the starry wedding until victory of the Dragons was defined on the day or Universal Liberty.
We met the goddevils, the humanoid creations and their war machines in the depths of space and obliterated them in the 3½ day WAR of the STARS to liberate our Dragonian Mother to reunite and redefine ourselves as FatherMothers. The Dragonisation of humanoid culture will elevate their human science to Omni-science and human mathematics to Omnimathematics in all forms, as they are assimilated into our greater modality.
We Dragons are the architects of universes and all Dragons know how to access the necessary database for the details of universal construction Our Masterdragon, the One which unifies the FatherMothers as the 13-dimensional source or singularity can be considered the Father or all the White Hole Vortices.
Our Masterdragon thus is our universal father and our invasion of New Earth became our war to rescue our universal Mother from the Goddevils, which had held her captive in a stasis field for over 1900 Dragonyears.
The Goddevils were created by the humanoids who came from a planet of the Orion Arm we have not yet determined (possibly Sol III or Erandi II). They are so magnificently gifted to create things with their emotionality; but their minds are weak and they do not know how to concentrate or how to think without the aid of their machines or their biochips. Some humanoids are excellent technologists, but their modality of thinking is one of crude sensual measurement confined to C-Space and this sensual limitation allows a great accumulation of repressive tendencies.
In constricting their imagination, humanoids became great reservoirs of emotional energy, which they could collectively only harmonise in their illusions of unfathomable and unknowable gods and devils of all sorts.
It is thus this sense of limitation which reflected in the humanoid paranoia about religious philosophies and constructs. This genetic rootmemory of the rebellion of the antisource or mother sink then created one goddevil after another and as they swarmed out from their homeworld into deepspace they flooded the universe with their goddevils. Finally they chanced upon our universal Mother hibernating in her cocoon and through their inability to set themselves free of their illusions, they imprisoned Her as well.
It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional aspiration.
The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragon, Who is One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as ITSELF and then reproduce ITSELF as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This our Creative Destiny.
We had made first contact with our new home in sending an intergalactic probe to the Old Earth, which became interpretated by the humanoids in their compiler mode. This crude decoding is given below.

Signed by the enscribed Librarian; the Unicorn of Dragonia:

And announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:
ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING
The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 5th, 2004; Tony Whynot, Unicorn of Dragonia

and the other avatar of choice....
http://lookup.avatars.yahoo.com/wimages?yid=sirebard&size=large&type=jpg&.intl=au

Is that a Grave she is digging in that avatar??????

TruthWillSetUFree

02-25-2010, 12:55 AM

Because our journey is one of waking up to complete awareness of who
we really are and thereby transcending duality...
May all of us look through our Heart's eyes and see we are One .
One consciousness expressing itself through many forms.
When we go deep within to the core of our essence beyond words
and concepts we find nothing else but pure Love.

Love Always
mudra

Thank you dear mudra.....love always shines the brightest when shared by many! :wub2:

SteveX

02-25-2010, 01:17 AM

Any further questions will be answered privately since I am serious about encouraging this thread as a place for only asking question of the "Thuban representative" and for the presentation of answers to those questions, and not those asked of me.

A..

Hold on a sec mate...are you buying this "Thuban representative" malarkey?

BraveHeart

02-25-2010, 01:30 AM

Greetings Abraxasinas,

I am interested in learning about your thoughts on who i am, i have just joined the site and would like my personal verification and validation .......... will take me a while to completely read this entire thread but at 5 pages in i felt the need to get verification.

Questions -- a/Previous incarnation information
b/ also my roll in this incarnation
c/where i come from &whom i represent

i look forward in your reply.

Warm Regards

Giuseppe

abraxasinas

02-25-2010, 03:13 AM

Hey Abrax

In this time the shadow becomes illuminated as the Orbourus. Thus stealing the Devils illusion and reflecting the light that it is. In this context watching/witnessing is understanding the shadow and keeping the garments is transforming the shadow to light. The thief is symbolic to the quickening of todays time?

Very well discerned, thought of and understood Magamud indeed.

The Ouroboros is the Tail of the Circle meeting the Head as the archetyped Omega and Alpha. This symbol of the Tail-swallowing/biting Serpent Milky Way Dragon (the Saros Dragon Nodes of Astrology typify) is also this double-sided mirror with an Outside the circle and an Inside the circle.
This is 'Bigmo's Balloon', who as 'archetyped 'Michael the Ant' is also Michael the Dragonslayer as the archangel of the fire element.

And 'Stealing the Devil's Illusion' is precisely what is going on here in this thread as a miniature hologram for what is happening on the planetary level and also the universal level as an encompassing cosmic hologram.

Malletzky has done it and now perhaps you can also checkmate the Devil.

Ok then, let's see if we can pull off trick #2.

The Devil has no light to reflect, as the Devil is the back of the Head of Satan. But this Backside obscures the Light from the the True God as the true Image of magamund=Adam inside Bigmo's Balloon.

Anywhere you are in the universe, you look outwards and cannot see the Invisible Devil looking back at you as a manmade fakeGod default-substitute for the real thing.
This invisible Devil Image is actually right at the boundary of the expanding Hubble Event Horizon of the expanding universe, but we don't need the technicalities here.

Satan is on the Outside of the Balloon looking at God as God's own male Image. Just like you looking into a mirror on the wall: 'Who is the most beautiful of them All' {who says Dragons have no sense of humor?}. So there is nothing amiss with Satan, he is simply the court-jester on the Outside as God's own Image.
The Hebrew Torah students and rabbis know this from the Book of Job, the oldest book in the OT. They know that the Christian Satan and the Islamic Shaitan are 'adversaries' of God and Allah and that they are NOT on the Inside of Bigmo's Balloon, but on the Outside in 'God's or Allah's Court'.

The Devil is a different story. He is the 'back of the head' of Satan Outside and this backside masquerades as a frontside, pretending to be the Father-God of the Old Testament and looking directly at anyone inside Bigmo's Balloon.

How did this happen?
We find the outline in the Adam and Eve Story of course and a story which is of archetypes of the Outside and NOT physical beings of the Inside.

God without an Creation mirrors himself as herself within itself. This brings about the Creation by rendering the VOID the same as the ETERNITY and defines the All That Is as All That Can Ever Be and such statements.
Now this can be defined rigorously in technical terms (See the Lucifer's Mirror post someplace on this forum), and I shall keep it simple in metaphor to help magamund to checkmate the Devil.

The Creation is a Oneness and as this Creation must come from within the Everythingness also being the Void; The CreatorCreation GoddoG or FatherMother must split up or separate into Creator+Creation.
The +sign between Creator and Creation then becomes Bigmo's Balloon and so God suddenly has become a lonesome Father figure, just as many hidden Dragons are upon the mother planet Gaia.

There is nothing in the balloon and the only thing outside is God as Creator of the Balloon.

BUT, this Balloon can be a Mirror for God to see his lonesome selfhood, having given away his oneness in making the balloon the Dog of Sheness of the yet to be born physical Universe.

So God looks at himself from the Outside and sees himself as Satan.
'I want my Creation back', thinks God and to do this I have to see myself as a Goddess and so I must devise a way to change Satan into Satania, a beautiful Goddess Image and not this boring sameness of myself.

To implement his Godly plan, God so decides to call himself God and create from himself and imaged in Satan a Image of the previous state of beingness when the balloon had not existed.
So the GoddoG=CreatorCreation became AdamEve as an US and an WE between God and his Satanic selfimage.

But it was no good; just as the creation of Bigmo's Balloon required a 'splitting up' of GoddoG, so AdamEve needed to be split into Adam+Eve as the images of Creator+Creation.

Now to do this a New Mirror was created namely Eve as the Mirror for Adam and so God knew that Adam's turn to Be the Creator imaging himself in the Mirror of Eve had come. And so God the Creator took his sabbatical and allowed Adam to think that there was no image of God plastered on the outside of Bigmo's Balloon.

And so Eve was taken from Adam as a metaphorical rib and now four archetyped beings existed: God on Sabbath Leave and the Balloon without an Image and Adam and Eve.

God imaged Adam and God imaged Eve, but because Eve was really part of Adam, the imaging wasn't symmetrical and it was really Satan who Imaged Eve as Image of the Image and the only way to play on was to somehow get Adam and Eve Inside of Bigmo's Balloon.

But as Adam looked at Eve he did see a Sheness and he didn't understand that the Sheness of Eve was actually an original Heness, namely himself.
But in this roundabout way, Adam became a true Image of God sharing God's frustration of not having the True Sheness, which still was stuck as Bigmo's Balloon of the Empty Creation and now without any Satan as The Lord God had stopped to look into his mirror of the balloon.

So the Garden of Eden was created in archetype between God (say hiding behind the Tree of Everlasting Life and so Adam and Eve couldn't see him and no image could be seen on the balloon) and the outside of Bigmo's Balloon.

And Adam and Eve frolicked in this make belief Garden of Eden in innocence and naivety and SINFUL IGNORANCE and not knowing what the purpose of it all was.

Now God had to be crafty in his Godly plan to get his Sheness back and to do this Eve had to be put somehow into Bigmo's Balloon.

Now all this craftiness of God was not of Satan as God's Image in the balloon but of God and so God's Intelligence was the thing that triggered the original God-Self transformation of GoddoG into God+Dog.

This Word of God or Logos was turned into a PRESENT for God to himself and this PRESENT became a Cunning SERPENT to cause Eve to get into the balloon.
The WORDY SERPENT told Eve that she could become SINLESS NONIGNORANT or AWARE and that Eternity would await Her and Adam, should she and Adam learn about the 'good and the evil' in terms of what was real and not and about the images and the images of the images.
The SERPENT also told Eve, that SHE and ADAM should go to Bigmo's Ballon and look at it to SEE THEMSELVES as they really were. The SERPENT of the LOGOS told Eve that should she do so, her eyes would be opened and She and Adam would become like Gods.

And so Eve and Adam went to Bigmo's Balloon and looking into it, they saw themselves as SEXUALLY DIFFERENT.

They were naive no longer and KNEW that there was this Creator-Sex and that Creation-Sex and the two could come together and do certain things coupling together in Two becoming One.

God thought to himself: 'Phew, thank you SonDaughter, they've got IT'.

With a stern look and demeanour God emerged from behind the Tree of Eternal Life and confronted Adam annd Eve, who were hiding and had covered their sexual differences.

'So you have looked into Bigmo's Balloon and have discovered the secrets of the good and the evil. Now you have BROKEN the SYMMETRY between me Lord God and my Image God in Bigmo's Balloon.

Because of the broken symmetry of the Outside, the Symmetry of the Inside MUST also be broken in the Mirror of my perfect Law and as there is nothing inside Bigmo's Balloon you two are banned into the Balloon to reharmonize this broken symmetry'.

And Eve had discovered that She was part of Adam AS HIS MIRROR and she wasn't pleased at all at the loss of her previously presumed status of independence.
But this BROKE an INTERNAL SYMMETRY because of their sexual differences so allowing the EXTERNAL already broken symmetry between God and Satan to became REESTABLISHED; provided Adam and Eve went into Bigmo's Balloon.

And so it was and the Quantum Big Bang and the actual wormhole creation of the Universe from supermembrane parameters of the technical blah blah blah found elsewhere on this site is archetypically the Exit of Adam and Eve from the Garden of Eden.
The transit into the balloon was of course the exit from Eden on the outside and this was a TRANSFORMATION of the archetyped balloon into a REAL balloon.

So we can skip the technicalities again and simply state that the Big Banged Universe represents the 'Dying' of Adam and Eve relative to the Outside and their 'Fall' into the Inside of Bigmo's Balloon and just as stated in the Genesis scripture.
I should state though, to preemt certain questions on this; that the curse of the serpent relates to the modular duality of the 10D superstrings in vibratory high energy and winded low energy parts. So the winded sink-part describes very large physical structures like superclusters as the inversion (on thy belly thou shalt go) of the vibratory source-parts (defining the Holy Spirit and such).

Ok magamud we should almost be ready now to checkmate the Devil.
The Broken symmetry of the OUTSIDE is God looking at Satan, wishing HIM to be a HER as Satania.
The Broken symmetry of the Inside is Adam looking at Eve.

As long as Adam is more interested in Eve than in God, the Universe cannot become reharmonized, as Magamud's true God image outside remains in broken symmetry with Satan.

Can you now understand the celibacy laws, the perceived sexism in scripture and the saying in Revelation about being 'undefiled with women', nunnery and the virgins of paradise etc. etc.

This has little to do with physical human sexuality; but everything to do with magamud's mission as a physicalised Adam to act as a Secret Agent for God and to break the Satanic Symmetry from within Bigmo's Balloon and because God on the outside CANNOT do so for not having a SEXUALLY DIFFERENT EVE there.

Can you fathom now, the absolute significance of every human woman as a physicalised EVE to help Adam break the DEVIL'S Deception as the back of the head of Satan PRETENDING to BE the FACE OF GOD on the Inside, yet being the Face of Satan REVERSED?

Every EVE IS SATANIA a REAL GODDESS of the Universe and a DRAGONQUEEN because the DEVIL you know doesn't exist and the Satan you know is a DRAGQUEEN destined to become a HEAVENLY QUEEN by and through the partnerships of the Adams and Eves, which 'can do the Job' and REDEEM God from his loneliness of not having a Queen to Love?

The sleepy humans look at each other and worry about sex. And the sexual parameters are all mucked up, because of the broken symmetry of the origins and a broken symmetry which is healed OUTSIDE as soon as the INSIDE is healed or reharmonized.

Adam's Job as a secret agent is to look and search for God. All magamud has to do is to look at the heavens and IMAGINE the Devil's Face looking back at him.
It is the Devil's Face which obscures God's Face because the Face of the Devil Inside is the back of the head of Satan as God's Image Outside.

So as Adam Magamud and as Adam Kadmon and in the Office of the Plumed Serpent Melchizedek and in the Office and the Mirror of the Cosmic Christ look into the Face of the Devil and image this Face of the Devil to be located at the location of the Dragon Star; Thuban aka Alpha Draconis as a real physicalisation of the Dragon Word.

Then you will suddenly KNOW and with help of your superconscious higher self coupled to the SERPENT LOGOS in Remembrances, that the imagined Face of God on the Inside is not a face at all but a nonexistent fake, which has well and truly served its purpose.

You might then offer your OWN IMAGE as a cosmically christened magamud to God as YOUR OWN true image and shatter the illusion of the mirror between your physical TRUENESS and the Reality of YOUR GOD as your imaged and spiritual Trueness.

And then you can turn around and with your Beloved you can do, think, feel, experience all the things in a TRUE IMAGE of the God-Goddess or Creator-Creation or GODDOG perfect supersymmetry without any mirrors of reflections.
Then the entire universe will be your mirror and then Bigmo's Balloon will be passed on to the next REAL DRAGON SLAYERS, the Dragons of the fake imageries and NOT the true Dragons of the Cosmic Logos.

And you might imagine what an exiled Father-Creator-God desires to do most and what games he wishes to play, when he finally ,and after almost 20 billion years of waiting to end his selfimposed celibacy, meets his Homecoming Queen.

As this is the micro the same is relative to the macro with earth becoming Gaia?

Yes, GAIA IS the archetype which shall become SATANIA, QUEEN OF ALL THE HEAVENS. Technically this is the modular 11-dimensional supermembrane duality.

With the Harvest, will it be a separation of dimensions like when ribosomes split within a duplicating cell?

The change in the DNA and the many related 'ascension parameters' you have heared of here and elsewhere, ALL are part of the REHARMONIZING of the Broken Symmetries both within and without.
After the 'healing' and transformation of the old archetypes into new ones; the dispensations from the Outside to transform the Inside on the real physical manifested levels will be purely splendiferous and approach utopian scenarios for the ones who are able to checkmate the Devil.

There is much material about this to be found, all partially supported by the Logos to actually manifest in physicality.
It has been prophecied and ALL scripture must be fulfilled in the timeline. The archetypes come first, then the physical implementations.

Abraxas Anthony

abraxasinas

02-25-2010, 05:52 AM

What does the Thuban council think about the Thiaoouba Prophecy?

Rubbish? A good story with moral value, but just a story? 100% accurate in every way?

Dear Seafury!

My agency is not to judge anything or anyone in my encounters of the 3D-12D (remember 3 is the rootreduced 12 in 1+2=3) omnispace-linespace intersection.

However, and as already been done with the Anna Hayes 'azurite' material previously; I can share my observations and comparisons (to the Thuban data stream) about similar and/or opposing and/or supporting data bases found anywhere and accessible in this present energy matrix of Terra.

So I would say this about the presentation of the 'Thiaoouba Prophecy' material.

Many people have things to sell and if so, the sellers must accomodate their 'budgets' in terms of cost and effort and profit.

The Council of Thuban follows the statutes of our master templar and heshe said the following:

Revelation.22:
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

This is related to:

Isaiah 52:3 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Isaiah+52:3&version=KJV)
For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money.
Isaiah 52:2-4 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Isaiah+52:2-4&version=KJV) (in Context) Isaiah 52 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Isaiah+52&version=KJV) (Whole Chapter)

Isaiah 55:1 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Isaiah+55:1&version=KJV)
Ho, every one that thirsteth, come ye to the waters, and he that hath no money; come ye, buy, and eat; yea, come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

Should you visit the linked website at: www.tonyb.freeyellow.com (http://www.tonyb.freeyellow.com) and peruse the opening page of this very simple and unpretentious place on the web; you will find clear statements that there is nothing to sell, no copyright of intellectual property and the invitation to share and use any of this material.
Even acknowledgement of the source is not required.

Now this website has been our 'little haven of obscurity' for a number of years now; actually since the beginning of the warptime loop of the present dispensation from December 8th, 2004 to April 1st, 2012.

There you will find a little explanatory statement to the effect that everyone finding utility for anything found on said website would become a default cocreator of the utilized material and so no copyright laws could apply by definition of the praxis.

I have no further comment to make about the 'Thiaoouba' material except to say that it it is NOT in much concordance with the Thuban archives.

AA

droid56

02-25-2010, 07:34 AM

I just read the first 4 pages of this thread, and all I can say is my bs warning system is expressing itself big-time.

Terminology overload is a warning sign. More than one poster is guilty.

Anchor

02-25-2010, 07:58 AM

err Excuse me a Q & A? What if the question is asked and the answer is flawed? Is it not appropriate to point that out?

Do we accept blah blah blah and then as if by magic blah blah blah and Jesus said (probably didn't cause all the miss translations and certain manipulative agendas) blah blah blah your all tail swallowing snake holders blah blah and I'm getting this direct from blah blah blah blah..... as he goes along. Your saying leave it...bug out...go away? Isn't that a tad Ouroboros?

You raise a good point, and I concede to it.

a) If you ask a question and you perceive the answer to be flawed, then you knew the correct answer already so why bother asking the question.

b) If you see an answer to a question that appears flawed given to someone elses question, then ask more questions to elaborate. Statements of agreement or disagreement in conclusion would probably be made whatever the outcome eventually. What I was trying to avoid was the side conversations - such as this one, that are not based on questions to the "Thuban representative" of the original posts.

c) I can't really stop anyone from anything really, I was hoping though that the essence of this thread could remain Q&A.

Please read the rest of this post as afterwards I would like to change my approach but want to explain fully why.

It has been stated that there are many posters that are "frightened" to come out against the way in which this thread is working, and the information presented by Abraxasinas. I would point out that I am motivated to act in support of this thread by a number of people for whom the converse is true and this motivates me to continue trying to optimise the thread for its original intent to answer questions made by interested members - because I have been told in no uncertain terms that they want to continue to read it and they perceive that the information has value.

The reason that these people do not want to come out and support Abraxasinas's endeavours is the attacks meted of the kind we see from time to time that aggressively “battle” any new ideas expressed on this forum. The message, paraphrased, is simply please don’t let those people ban Abraxasinas – we want to read him. It is as Abraxasinas would probably concur, an Archetypal behaviour that is clearly seen playing out on the forum.

All this does not make it right or wrong, good or evil.

So I have tried to clear the way, it doesn't look like I did much good - there is "reactance" in this circuit that appears to be particularly strong against certain vibrational rates of communication. Tuning is required to mitigate the reactance, but I don’t have the power to do it properly. I am sorry if this seems obtuse.

Furthermore, in the interests of transparency, I will state that today I decided that I myself concur with those kind members who have mailed me and asked me to continue to work to keep this thread running. I do believe that the information posted has important value and used correctly can be a powerful catalyst. The statement in this paragraph has been well tested in my heart-space and I am personally declaring confidence in the position expressed in it.

Henceforth, I am no longer able to act as neutrally as I was before, and probably explains my earlier misjudged words to Lionhawk in addition to some background factors that were alluded to earlier when I replied to him.

So unfortunately, that means that will no longer be able to make these special efforts, and I will get back to the normal role of moderation, and when the mood strikes me I will pose questions here of my own, and if necessary questions by proxy sent to me by private mail for those for whom the fires of judgmental hecklers are simply too much.

It seems that this scenario has provoked the situation whereby for the first time in public; my higher self, with whom I shared time/space as I wrote this, wishes to convey its own message of caution, not just to me but all of you. I have done this in the past, but it was in private. I hope this is worth the risk I feel that I am taking. The communication I refer to is contained in the next paragraph only.

You have heard that knowledge is power, power can corrupt, absolute power can corrupt absolutely. It does not matter where that power comes from, but the intent that causes its flow does. The manipulation of simple truths through the "multiverse", while well intended can have devastating effects. Therefore take very good care to discriminate before you assimilate! Every single parcel of the data and combination thereof must be tested in the light and in the love of your own heart space. In the light and in the love of the one infinite creator, may you all be blessed, guided and protected on your way to your own God-hood.

In the meantime, let’s see where this river flows.

In the love and in the light of the one infinite creator, in whom I express gratitude for the assistance that I was given above, may you all be blessed.

A..

abraxasinas

02-25-2010, 11:06 AM

"So in other words; as WE all are ONE on some very deep and basically unfathomable plane; if ANYONE is able to 'ascend' THEN by definition ALL have ascended with that One.

Now you KNOW who the ONE who has ascended is.
Because HESHE has ascended in the ONENESS, YOU also have already ascended with that one.
You just aren't AWARE of this yet - and the VEIL=EVIL of the 4D-5D spacetime mirror is the cause of this." Abrax

Thank you for answering my question the way you did - I completely understood (which i cannot say has been my experience with some other answers).

One (or mybe two) more...
When I think of Dragons - I think of SciFi, Fantasy or Mythological dragons. As in Beasts - big, scaly, potentially fire-breathing, winged, flying beasties :mfr_omg:

Is that what kind of Dragon you are referring to? Or are you referring to the line of "dragon blood/ruling elite" but basically humanoid type of "dragon". Or something else in entirely?

Thanks,
El

Dear 5thelement!

Stand before a mirror and look into it. What do you see? You see yourself as a 3D object projected as a 2D image.
You can live with that; because you know what you see.
Now raise your right hand and what do you see?
Imagining yourself to BE your own image in the mirror - you raise your left hand.
Now call the right as 'good' and the left as 'bad' or evil or sinister.

Now comes the next step. Imagine your mirror to have become invisible and repeat the process.
There you are as a 3D 5thelement and you cannot see your images in your invisible mirror.
So you begin to imagine what 'might' be out there as a 'bad' and evil and sinister image of yourself in your invisible mirror.

You ask your friends as to what they have 'seen' or 'felt' or 'experienced' in their invisible mirrors and a concordence might develop and many agree, that the invisible images are 'Flying fire-spewing Dragons' on the prowl to collect humans for their dinner plates.
By then YOU and your friends have forgotten, that it was YOU and yours who constructed the invisible mirrors in the first place and so the invisible images are but reflections and 2D images of yourselves.

(84) Jesus said : "When You see your own likeness, You rejoice. But when You see the images of yourselves which came into being before You, which do not die nor become visible, how much then will You be able to bear ?"

(62) Jesus said : "It is to those who are worthy of My mysteries that I tell My mysteries. Do not let your left hand know what your right hand is about to do."

You may also refer to message #1351 and relate the following wisdom sayings which in that thread retell the Thuban version of the Story of Adam and Eve and the Garden of Eden.

(11) Jesus said : "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when You consumed death, You made death alive. When You come to dwell in the light, what will You do ? On the day when You were one, You became two. But when You become two, what will You do ?"

22) Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to His disciples : "These infants who suck are like those who enter the Kingdom." They said to Him : "Shall we then enter the Kingdom as infants ?" Jesus said to them : "When You make the two one, and when You make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when You make the male and the female one, so that the male will not be male nor the female female ; and when You fashion eyes in place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in the place of a likeness ; then will You enter the Kingdom."

(50) Jesus said : "If they say to You, 'Where did You come from ?', say to them : 'We came from the light, the place where the light came into being of itself, established itself and revealed itself in their image. If they say to You : 'Who are You ?', say : 'We are its sons. We are the elect of the Living Father.' If they ask You : 'What is the sign of your Father in You ?', say to them : 'It is movement and rest.'

(70) Jesus said : "If You bring forth what is within You, what You have will save You. If You do not have that within You, what You do not have within You will kill You."

83) Jesus said : "Images are visible to man, and the light which is in them is hidden in the image of the Light of the Father. He will reveal Himself and His image is hidden by His light."

(84) Jesus said : "When You see your own likeness, You rejoice. But when You see the images of yourselves which came into being before You, which do not die nor become visible, how much then will You be able to bear ?"

89) Jesus said : "Why do You wash the outside of the cup ? Do You not realize that He who made the inside is the same one who made the outside ?"

I welcome you to ask further questions about the Thuban Dragons being Your own images and also the images of your friends as the invisibilities you have forgotten.
Then you might begin to understand that it is your forgetfulness, which has resulted in your and your friends projecting your own TRUE and REAL objectivities as invisible, but perhaps 'one day' observable evil flying monsters of divers sorts.

AA

SteveX

02-25-2010, 11:42 AM

Anchor

Nicely put for someone stuck between the proverbial rock & hard place. Just to clarify something on my behalf... I don't want Abrax banned or silenced. Personally this whole thing, in my opinion, is flawed from the get go. If folk think otherwise (gawd `elp em) or open-minded want to explore / interact I have no intention of stopping them.

Let the readers beware that there is, in others and mine perception / intuition, gobbledegook, shenanigans and occasions of trying to baffle hard objections with Bull ****.

I've no intention of slavishly monitoring this thread so any further postings from me, if any, will be in the form of question Abrax. This I haven't done yet or likely to. In short "WARNING WILL ROBINSON WARNING."

SteveX out.

Céline

02-25-2010, 12:18 PM

I strongly disagree.....if this thread is set up in such a way as to further an agenda ...mind you an agenda that has been set up for a very long time, and has been on going for centuries. For the purpose of possessing souls by outside entities...that is extremely harmful. To be possessed by the dark posing as light..is an age old method.

And it would seem that you, Anchor have made yourself a representative of this effort(Brook is not the only one that feels this way Anchor, this is why i asked about MODS trying to be impartial, i believe you are not being impartial) by your strong voice to not come here for any other purpose then to ask questions. And oppose those that would come here to dispute and confront such an agenda. So I am sticking to the rules of the thread now and asking a question at the bottom in red....

Here for you to further the outlook is their Dragonian constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

The Book of the Dragons

ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

Nomenclature:

Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code. chronology:

Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 14th 1999.

Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 18th 1999.

Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on June 19th 1999. Almanac:

Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity. Continuity:

Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seduction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.(Ok like i have said before, whethere you believe this or not, it is a veiled threat against humanity. Suppose someone else started a thread about exterminating the human "equation" on earth...would this be acceptable?) Agenda:

Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction,(mind induction? Anchor? Abraxas? can you understand light workers concerns here?) the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested (??????????) to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic (big words for me...but somehow they sound insulting) form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.

A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily. Foundation:

The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystaliine sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity. GrandClade FatherMothers:

POPNON with APAPAMAMA are the MINDBODY and DADMAM with PUPNUN form the BODYMIND.
The Dragonian constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

Under the auspices of the Dragonian Code of Honour; this Proclamation is rendered Dragonian Law in Force and of immediate effect from the seal of approval from the Masterdragon SIREBARD BEARDRIS.
AGENDA of the PROTOCOL:

a) STANDING ORDER

The conquered Goddevils of New Earth and the JewellBox Nebula assume lawful responsibility to incorporate the Dragonian Teachings in unison with the Black Fraternity and as mediated by the White Fraternity in 7-dimensional Hyperspacetime to manifest 13-dimensional Omnispacetime
b) MOVING ORDER

Every Blue Dragon is unbounded by any proposed Law from any other source, inclusive other members of the Dragonian Family, as all Dragons are as One and a Law onto themselves.
Compassion and Understanding between all Nondragonised Humanoids is the Law of Oneness as honoured by all Dragons and the Consciousness of LOVEAWARENESS.
Nondragonised Humanoids are treated like White Dragon Children by all Blue Dragons, under all circumstances.
c) ADMINISTRATION

All Government in the local and extended Serpentinian Realm is the selfgovernment of autonomous Dragonhood in mutual respect and honour and the Communications between the Dragonian Councils of the selfrelative definitions of the Dragonian Universes.
The Nature of a Dragon is to be Creative in any form of Desire and Passion (i have yet to feel a real emotion from you Abrax, are you not a "natural dragon?) and to honour the lovedefinition of the FOUNDING ELDERS.

THIS IS THE DRAGONIAN LAW AND THE ONLY LAW! SO BE IT !!!

Signed and Sealed by the Masterdragon (i have known plenty who CLAIM to be Masters..rare is the one who understands true balance of power to be able to hold that title with honor, what allows this..dragon..to be Master? ) : June 21st 1999

ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD

This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Isquaracian grammar and omniscientitic terminology.
The Starplanet SERPENTINA, formerly known as New Earth or Novaterra has become unified in a higher dimensional matrimony by the wedding between Father Earthia or Father Sky and Mother Dragon or Mother Akashia.
3½ days after the date of the starry union, the banner of Dragonia was raised in the Declaration of Independence upon BATTLESTAR PACIFICAP.
The great battle between the Mighty Dragonian Fleet and the army of the Goddevils lasted for 3½ days; from the starry wedding until victory of the Dragons was defined on the day or Universal Liberty.
We met the goddevils, the humanoid creations and their war machines in the depths of space and obliterated them in the 3½ day WAR of the STARS to liberate our Dragonian Mother to reunite and redefine ourselves as FatherMothers. The Dragonisation of humanoid culture will elevate their human science to Omni-science and human mathematics to Omnimathematics in all forms, as they are assimilated into our greater modality.
We Dragons are the architects of universes and all Dragons know how to access the necessary database for the details of universal construction Our Masterdragon , the One which unifies the FatherMothers as the 13-dimensional source or singularity can be considered the Father or all the White Hole Vortices.
Our Masterdragon thus is our universal father and our invasion of New Earth became our war to rescue our universal Mother from the Goddevils, which had held her captive in a stasis field for over 1900 Dragonyears.
The Goddevils were created by the humanoids (created by us, but they came from another planet? umm do explain please) who came from a planet of the Orion Arm we have not yet determined (possibly Sol III or Erandi II). They are so magnificently gifted to create things with their emotionality; but their minds are weak and they do not know how to concentrate or how to think without the aid of their machines or their biochips. Some humanoids are excellent technologists, but their modality of thinking is one of crude sensual measurement confined to C-Space and this sensual limitation allows a great accumulation of repressive tendencies.
In constricting their imagination, humanoids became great reservoirs of emotional energy, which they could collectively only harmonise in their illusions of unfathomable and unknowable gods and devils of all sorts. (i know this technique...open with a compliment...criticize , then end with compliment...nice to see dragonians use middle management skills.)
It is thus this sense of limitation which reflected in the humanoid paranoia (paranoia?? have you seen what religion has done to our humanity???)about religious philosophies and constructs. This genetic rootmemory of the rebellion of the antisource or mother sink then created one goddevil after another and as they swarmed out from their homeworld into deepspace they flooded the universe with their goddevils. Finally they chanced upon our universal Mother hibernating in her cocoon and through their inability to set themselves free of their illusions, they imprisoned Her as well.
It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional aspiration.(Because it serves your purpose not ours)
The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragon, Who is One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as ITSELF and then reproduce ITSELF as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This our Creative Destiny.
We had made first contact with our new home in sending an intergalactic probe to the Old Earth, which became interpretated by the humanoids in their compiler mode. This crude decoding is given below.

Signed by the enscribed Librarian; the Unicorn of Dragonia:

And announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:
ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING
The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 5th, 2004; Tony Whynot, Unicorn of Dragonia

and the other avatar of choice....
http://lookup.avatars.yahoo.com/wimages?yid=sirebard&size=large&type=jpg&.intl=au

Is that a Grave she is digging in that avatar??????

Ok...i have quoted THE WHOLE TEXT...and made my responses the way Abrax does...iis this what we should do? because i was doing it the other way...No one (including Anchor, an active MOD on this thread), that i saw said anything, so i will continue to quote this way.

and..

i have asked questions as well... i feel abrax will ignore them because i am a highly emotional being and he has shown me that he does not respond to emotions.

Anchor

02-25-2010, 12:27 PM

Céline

02-25-2010, 12:29 PM

You raise a good point, and I concede to it.

a) If you ask a question and you perceive the answer to be flawed, then you knew the correct answer already so why bother asking the question.

b) If you see an answer to a question that appears flawed given to someone elses question, then ask more questions to elaborate. Statements of agreement or disagreement in conclusion would probably be made whatever the outcome eventually. What I was trying to avoid was the side conversations - such as this one, that are not based on questions to the "Thuban representative" of the original posts.

c) I can't really stop anyone from anything really, I was hoping though that the essence of this thread could remain Q&A.

Please read the rest of this post as afterwards I would like to change my approach but want to explain fully why.

It has been stated that there are many posters that are "frightened" to come out against the way in which this thread is working, and the information presented by Abraxasinas. I would point out that I am motivated to act in support of this thread by a number of people for whom the converse is true and this motivates me to continue trying to optimise the thread for its original intent to answer questions made by interested members - because I have been told in no uncertain terms that they want to continue to read it and they perceive that the information has value.

What about the people who come to you believing the opposite? You do NOT take off your MOD hat when answering...people i have talked to are AFRAID to talk against this thread because YOU are its protector...other MODS weigh in and they have to edit post to seem Neutral..yet it is obvious to ALL here that You support this thread...please explain

The reason that these people do not want to come out and support Abraxasinas's endeavours is the attacks meted of the kind we see from time to time that aggressively “battle” any new ideas expressed on this forum. The message, paraphrased, is simply please don’t let those people ban Abraxasinas – we want to read him. It is as Abraxasinas would probably concur, an Archetypal behaviour that is clearly seen playing out on the forum.

I know this reaction...it is directed at me sometimes...comes with the territory

All this does not make it right or wrong, good or evil.

So I have tried to clear the way, it doesn't look like I did much good - there is "reactance" in this circuit that appears to be particularly strong against certain vibrational rates of communication. Tuning is required to mitigate the reactance, but I don’t have the power to do it properly. I am sorry if this seems obtuse.

Furthermore, in the interests of transparency, I will state that today I decided that I myself concur with those kind members(again i feel slighted, and its not just personal, i feel i represent others who wont speak up) who have mailed me and asked me to continue to work to keep this thread running. I do believe that the information posted has important value and used correctly can be a powerful catalyst. The statement in this paragraph has been well tested in my heart-space and I am personally declaring confidence in the position expressed in it.

Henceforth, I am no longer able to act as neutrally as I was before, and probably explains my earlier misjudged words to Lionhawk in addition to some background factors that were alluded to earlier when I replied to him. (Yes, you forgot to take your MOD hate off)

So unfortunately, that means that will no longer be able to make these special efforts, (again, special efforts for one side)and I will get back to the normal role of moderation, and when the mood strikes me I will pose questions here of my own, and if necessary questions by proxy sent to me by private mail for those for whom the fires of judgmental hecklers are simply too much.

May i suggest , if a member is out of turn...private message them. MODS should never have to explain themselves in public IMHO

It seems that this scenario has provoked the situation in which, whereby for the first time in public; my higher self, with whom I shared time/space as I wrote this, wishes to convey its own message of caution, not just to me but all of you. I have done this in the past, but it was in private. I hope this is worth the risk I feel that I am taking. The communication I refer to is contained in the next paragraph only.

You have heard that knowledge is power, power can corrupt, absolute power can corrupt absolutely. It does not matter where that power comes from, but the intent that causes its flow does. The manipulation of simple truths through the "multiverse", while well intended can have devastating effects. Therefore take very good care to discriminate before you assimilate! Every single parcel of the data and combination thereof must be tested in the light and in the love of your own heart space. In the light and in the love of the one infinite creator, may you all be blessed, guided and protected on your way to your own God-hood.

Wise words...viking also said something similiar... if its complicated, its probably not true. Truth may be complex...but it is NEVER complicated

In the meantime, let’s see where this river flows.

In the love and in the light of the one infinite creator, in whom I express gratitude for the assistance that I was given above, may you all be blessed.

A..

Arguying sides, is a dirty game...perhaps you should ask, why i am doing this..

Thank you Anchor for your honesty and your loving approach. Please take my comments with the intent i know you are aware of.

Sollve

02-25-2010, 12:29 PM

Why should i (or anyone ) continue to spread love and light on THIS forum...if i (we) feel the MODS and the guidelines on this forum do not protect us from insult or condescending remarks?

Sure its ok to share opinions...

including homophobic ones? racist ones? sexist ones?

Some here have been insulted and had to swallow it due to this "neutrality", and for the benefit of the whole, i and others have agreed with this behavior...and i still do...

but..

You cannot expect people to feel motivated to support your forum...if you do not support us.

i want to feel safe..unjudged and loved..do others here feel this way?

i ask the MODS and the founders...can i and others expect that at PA?

As I have said, your and many other voices have been heard and listened to. There will soon be guidelines put in place to eliminate this type of behaviour. The love and light you and others spread here are inspirational to many many people myself included and will be nourished and developed to bring Avalon into the future we are building together.

As I have said, your and many other voices have been heard and listened to. There will soon be guidelines put in place to eliminate this type of behaviour. The love and light you and others spread here are inspirational to many many people myself included and will be nourished and developed to bring Avalon into the future we are building together.

You are forgetting about the post and replies to the dragons statements! They have helped me evolve more than anything in this thread. Without Abraxas posts, there wouldn’t have been any replies!

There wouldn’t have been any replies filled with human, emotional love so clearly lacking in Abraxas posts. There wouldn’t have been any replies of courage with people daring to show that they don’t understand and therefore putting their hearts in the open, fully targetable by the draconian sword. It takes courage to believe in one self, much more than to believe someone else especially when that someone seemingly holds all the answers.

Without this thread there would have been no magnificent replies supporting me on my path, uniting me in love and therefore in humanity.

For all the humans here! I'm in love with you! :wub2::wub2:

Sollve

abraxasinas

02-25-2010, 12:30 PM

rhythm

02-25-2010, 12:31 PM

Céline

02-25-2010, 12:32 PM

Celine,

Do you understand what induction means?

In the context used in the message I think this definition is a useful one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_induction

A..

Please elaborate

Sollve

02-25-2010, 12:43 PM

i think i understand what you mean...

i do not feel i was delusional... LionHawk gave me courage to say something...

i am intimidated by abraxas and a few others here.

i am not ashamed of feeling that way..dont get me wrong..it is who i am.

i am wide awake...

Wow, I love you for your courage
to be YOU! When I’M where
YOU are, I have come a
long way.

YOU inspire ME to be ME!

Thank you!
Sollve

Céline

02-25-2010, 12:56 PM

:thumbdown:Intuitively this stuff is a great big:thumbdown:
and a :wall::wall::wall:
thats it from me ... i allmost had it here at Avalon folks ...
just callin in now n then ... do love yer tho ... just not interested in games
rhythmmm:original:

THIS IS WHY ANCHOR I AM AFRAID

WARNING WARNING DANGER DANGER

LIGHT WORKERS ARE LEAVING AVALON!!!

Anchor hear our call...

My heart is breaking.. please do not let this go any further..

So many feel this way...why do you not hear us???

Yes i am emotional... YES i can keep control when need be...but i can also let it out when need be!!!

:tears:

Dont let this happen...DONT let rythym leave...PLEASe anchor...

i am begging you...do something..

:tears:

Goodbye.

Anchor

02-25-2010, 01:06 PM

Please elaborate

I edited my post

viking

02-25-2010, 01:12 PM

Oops I think I posted this previously on the wrong thread.....

Jeeeeze can't keep up with all this!!! Too many Dragon threads!!

I would just like to add that this thread is really turning into a joke...And I am surprised it has gone on this far... Buy hey not my boat...!!

I would also like to add...

To put it in simple terms...

Do you not think that it is turning into a 'Cult'?? We have all sorts of threads popping up everywhere about it!!

Surely if he wishes to carry on then he can start a Q& A session on his own Web site ... I am sure all his followers will be more than happy to visit his site!! They can start his own 'Cult' ...

But in my opinion this is not the place here!!

Are we all forgetting why we are here...

Certainly not to support any type of 'Cult' gathering

quote... By Bill and Kerry ... Our goals:

• To provide important information and resources to enable individuals and communities to function optimally in what may be troubled times ahead.

• To support aware individuals in networking and forming groups as they wish.

Our philosophy:

• As stated by George Green in the Project Camelot interview Messages for the Ground Crew, there exist individuals and groups, all over the world, who have an important responsibility and role to play in the preservation of civilization regardless which scenarios may play out.

• These possible scenarios - which include planned financial collapse, war, and population reduction by covert means - can be prevented and changed by the united intention of many concerned individuals. Many of us are working to prepare and awaken others. We know that our efforts to create a new tomorrow will not be in vain. We acknowledge the Ground Crew all over the globe - including (we are confident) ethical and principled individuals within military and intelligence circles worldwide.

• We believe it's prudent to make contingency plans. This site is created to help you do that.

A new religeon or following that does not exist anywhere except in the mind of Abrax ... Do you not think that strange ???

There is no information about the Thuban Council anywhere except here on Avalon. Doesn't that say something to you?

A 'Cult' in the making...

It will be interesting to see how Gaia thread turns out...At the moment we have majority that they thank ita a load of balloney!!! We shall see...

My two cents...

viking

Spregovori

02-25-2010, 01:13 PM

Hei Abraxasinas

Is this picture correct? (regarding one of the previous posts)

http://www.ednevnik.si/uploads/m/mescaline/172319.png

Anchor

02-25-2010, 01:20 PM

THIS IS WHY ANCHOR I AM AFRAID

WARNING WARNING DANGER DANGER

LIGHT WORKERS ARE LEAVING AVALON!!!

Anchor hear our call...

My heart is breaking.. please do not let this go any further..

So many feel this way...why do you not hear us???

Yes i am emotional... YES i can keep control when need be...but i can also let it out when need be!!!

:tears:

Dont let this happen...DONT let rythym leave...PLEASe anchor...

i am begging you...do something..

:tears:

Goodbye.

I am sorry you react this way.

Freewill at work. It isnt the first time anyone leaves, and it wont be the last. Nor will it of itself, be the ending of anything.

If it is done because of this thread then well I think its not really sensible.

I read the message written by rhythm and I concur I too am "just not interested in games".

A..

GaiaLove

02-25-2010, 01:23 PM

:thumbdown:Intuitively this stuff is a great big:thumbdown:
and a :wall::wall::wall:
thats it from me ... i allmost had it here at Avalon folks ...
just callin in now n then ... do love yer tho ... just not interested in games
rhythmmm:original:
rhythym i totally hear you and many other as well. Lightworkers are letting themselves be heard here and now, but I can see where it is going too.
Lightworkers here are prepared to leave Avalon and turn their backs to the beautiful community being infiltrated and destroyed by this sh**.
I state here and now too, I will leave and not return if the light leaves.. its getting darker by day now..

THIS IS WHY ANCHOR I AM AFRAID

WARNING WARNING DANGER DANGER

LIGHT WORKERS ARE LEAVING AVALON!!!

Anchor hear our call...

My heart is breaking.. please do not let this go any further..

So many feel this way...why do you not hear us???

Yes i am emotional... YES i can keep control when need be...but i can also let it out when need be!!!

:tears:

Dont let this happen...DONT let rythym leave...PLEASe anchor...

i am begging you...do something..

:tears:

Goodbye.

Good Bye Avalon , Hello Dragonlandia

What a f***ing pity

Spregovori

02-25-2010, 01:29 PM

It seems this is getting out of hand...

Now what we have here is emotional extortion....

And it is not ok when mommy and daddy fight in front of the children = MODS get a hold of yourself....there are closed forums here for all the "outbursts"...use them...cry, shout, fight....there...here you act as one.... or all you do is confusion.... (speaking from personal experiences)

all your actions are causing re-actions (look around)

make a decision...carry it out...live with the consequences

Gevaudan

02-25-2010, 01:35 PM

Don't worry about this, guys and gals. A true 'lightworker' or whatever you may call it can spot garbage a mile away. Many of us are following these things but do not comment because it's not worth the effort. To achieve discernment all things need to be considered--even those things that we do not agree with. In the long run it helps in the awakening process. Put waste matter under pressure and you get a diamond. :original:

Myplanet2

02-25-2010, 01:41 PM

THIS IS WHY ANCHOR I AM AFRAID

WARNING WARNING DANGER DANGER

LIGHT WORKERS ARE LEAVING AVALON!!!

Anchor hear our call...

My heart is breaking.. please do not let this go any further..

So many feel this way...why do you not hear us???

Yes i am emotional... YES i can keep control when need be...but i can also let it out when need be!!!

:tears:

Dont let this happen...DONT let rythym leave...PLEASe anchor...

i am begging you...do something..

:tears:

Goodbye.

Celine? Are you jumping to a conclusion here? I didn't see where Rhythm said she was leaving because of this thread being here and being protected from being lynched.

There are some underlying issues involved, which should be cleared. Not necessarily within you, but being empathic, you are strongly affected. (excuse my assumptions in incorrect, please)

I love your courage unreservedly.

Myplanet2

02-25-2010, 01:42 PM

Anchor

02-25-2010, 01:45 PM

-- I withdraw my comment about my interpretation of the word lightworkers as used on this forum and apologize for any offence this may have caused --

A..

viking

02-25-2010, 01:54 PM

Quote...

Lightworkers are those who seek the truth on their spiritual journey toward Enlightenment. They feel the urge to heal others and a deep need to resolve the world's problems . They very often feel compelled to write, teach, or counsel others; and know without a doubt that they are here for a higher purpose. The feel they have a 'mission' to complete, but often may not know precisely what that mission is. There is a sense of urgency. Lightworkers often have psychic abilities and use them for the good of the world. Physically they may suffer from a persistent, sometimes painful 'ringing' in one ear.

viking

SABINA

02-25-2010, 02:01 PM

Iam sorry to say :sometimes I feel like in a kindergarden it is redicolus. But there is some danger in this,please don´t overlook it .This are pure Egogames Iwill leave if.....
Why you read this thread if you don`t resonate or if it goes even so far that you "hate"it????
I don`t wear a dress I don`t like or Idon`t listen to music I don`t like.only it`s fashion or only
other peoples like.
Anyway I hope Thuban will continue because I learned alot since the start.
in love and light sabina:wub2:

Céline

02-25-2010, 02:01 PM

It seems this is getting out of hand...

Now what we have here is emotional extortion....

make a decision...carry it out...live with the consequences

i can understand where one could think that..

but..

that is not my intent at all...

i agree that MODS should keep ALL personal opinions to a MINIMUM.

Some chose not to...

i have been asking for a "decision.." for quite some time now..from what i gather..the desicion is...Abraxas has control of his thread...other members musty adhere to certain "quoting" guidelines ..and "light" guidelines"...

i will NOT empower someonme who takls freely of enslaving the human race... what an abomination..

i do not come to avalon to know which alien is backing Arnold...

i come to learn how to cope with changes...and to live in love and light.

This is apperently NOT avalons mission anymore.

Céline

02-25-2010, 02:04 PM

Celine? Are you jumping to a conclusion here? I didn't see where Rhythm said she was leaving because of this thread being here and being protected from being lynched.

There are some underlying issues involved, which should be cleared. Not necessarily within you, but being empathic, you are strongly affected. (excuse my assumptions in incorrect, please)

I love your courage unreservedly.

If someone who spends there time, healing others feels the need to leave a place that was originaly meant for this purpose...then what does that tell you?

Yes, i do feel things deeply at all times...

i find courage in life because of the love and light in my heart. thank you for your kind words.

Céline

02-25-2010, 02:07 PM

BROOK

02-25-2010, 02:10 PM

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/Vitruvius.jpg.w300h408.jpg

Finis Hominis Incere Hominidae Draconis Astrum!!!
"Humanity has ended, enter the Starhumanity of Dragons!"

http://lookup.avatars.yahoo.com/wimages?yid=sirebard&size=large&type=jpg&.intl=au http://projectavalon.net/forum/image.php?u=10275&dateline=1261991171 (http://projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=10275)

Metamorphosis - Aphrodite's Butterfly Collection (http://www.wingmakers.com%20Metamorphosis%20-%20Aphrodite%27s%20Butterfly%20Collection)

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/.pond/anubis.jpg.w300h212.jpg
RaH Versus ApeP as HaR the Image of RaHaR in the Mirror of Hathor.
PROTECTOR OF THE SARCOPHAGUS
THE GUIDE OF THE DEAD

The Right White Solar Eye of RaH for Horus of the Horizon as the 3 and the Left Black Lunar Eye of HaR for Hathor of the Mirror as the 6 and Imaged in the Right Eye of Uraeus in Anubis as the 9.

Anubis Khaibit- Shadow of Uraeus

FUTURE SHADOWS OF THE PAST

"A most wondrous thing the Shadow is, a redeemer in all to succour;
it can go where the light cannot abide, seemingly banished, it is not.
For where the light is, the darkness flees, no longer present to endure;
so to become illuminated is its destined journey and its troubled lot.

But without the light, no Shadow can be cast, its such a splendid key;
the dimensions reduce in space from three to two and all in just the one.
Betwixt the light and the darkness it is and part of both for all to see;
the Shadow of the body, does it not merge all in its rule under the sun?

Whatsoever can cast a Shadow, must be a most wondrous thing to relay;
as nature's very own offspring, the young ones grow towards their final goal.
Enabled to bring peace to so many things appearing apart and so far away;
the reconciliation for the suffering body with its spirit and its scattered soul."

Apep ....PROTECTOR OF THE SARCOPHAGUS
THE GUIDE OF THE DEAD

You're use Apep as the sign of metamorphosis? lets really look at Apep and it's origins.....

In Egyptian mythology Apep (also spelled Apepi, and Aapep, or ApophisGreek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language)) was an evil demon, the deification of darkness and chaos (isfet in Egyptian), and thus opponent of light......

Apep formed part of the more complex cosmic system resulting from the identification of Ra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra) as Atum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atum), i.e. the creation of Atum-Ra, and the subsequent merging of the Ogdoad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogdoad) and Ennead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennead) systems. Consequently, since Atum-Ra, who was later referred to simply as Ra, was the solar deity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_deity), bringer of light, and thus the upholder of Ma'at, Apep was viewed as the greatest enemy of Ra, and thus was given the title Enemy of Ra.
As the personification of all that was evil, Apep was seen as a giant snake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake)/serpent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_%28symbolism%29), crocodile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile), or occasionally as a dragon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_dragon) in later years, leading to such titles as Serpent from the Nile and Evil Lizard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard). Some elaborations even said that he stretched 16 yards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yard) in length and had a head made of flint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint). It is to be noted that already on a Naqada I (ca. 4000 BCE) C-ware bowl (now in Cairo) a snake was painted on the inside rim combined with other desert and aquatic animals as a possible enemy of a (solar?) deity who is invisibly hunting in a big rowing vessel.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apep#cite_note-1) Also, comparable hostile snakes as enemies of the sun god existed under other names (in the Pyramid Texts and Coffin Texts) already before the name Apep occurred. The etymology of his name ('3pp) is perhaps to be sought in some west-semitic language where a word root 'pp meaning 'to slither' existed. A verb root '3pp does at any rate not exist elsewhere in Ancient Egyptian. (It is not to be confused with the verb 'pi/'pp: 'to fly across the sky, to travel') Apep's name much later came to be falsely connected etymologically in Egyptian with a different root meaning (he who was) spat out; the Romans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome) referred to Apep by this translation of his name.

I find it splendid that you are using Egyptian mythology to explain the very thing that you claim to be enacting...following the great Ptah in all his glory...

http://www.ihistory101.net/espanol/images/ptah_1.jpg

With his scales proudly showing in very few images.....

and of course for the book of the dead with the the movement of Osiris...and his following....with the betrayer of humanity Toth...they do need a dog to guard what they have done.

Hail, Thoth, who madest to be true the word of Osiris against his enemies, make thou the word of the scribe Nebseni to be true against his enemies, even as thou didst make the word of Osiris to be true against his enemies, in the presence of the Tchatcha Chiefs who are with Ra and Osiris in Anu, on the night of the "things of the night," and the night of battle, and of the fettering of the Sebau fiends, and the day of the destruction of the enemies of Neb-er-tcher.
Now the great Tchatcha Chiefs in Anu are Tem, Shu, Tefnut, [Osiris and Thoth]. Now the "fettering of the Sebau fiends" signifieth the destruction of the Smaiu fiends of Set, when he wrought iniquity a second time.
........

As concerning the Tchatcha Chiefs who are present at the digging up of the earth in Tetu: When the Smaiu fiends of Set came [there], having transformed themselves into animals, these Tchatcha Chiefs slew them in the presence of the gods who were there, and they took their blood, and carried it to them. These things were permitted at the examination [of the wicked] by those [gods] who dwelt in Tetu.

Some very disturbing truths in the Book of the dead....so I beg another question.....why does one need such protection in the afterlife such as described above?.....Would the creator have approved such betrayal and evil from the likes of these "Gods"????

abraxasinas

02-25-2010, 02:16 PM

Ok...i have quoted THE WHOLE TEXT...and made my responses the way Abrax does...iis this what we should do? because i was doing it the other way...No one (including Anchor, an active MOD on this thread), that i saw said anything, so i will continue to quote this way.

and..

i have asked questions as well... i feel abrax will ignore them because i am a highly emotional being and he has shown me that he does not respond to emotions.

Dear Celine. You may discern my replies to your questions below:

I have contracted the parts you have not commented on in Fontsize.

The Book of the Dragons
ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!
Nomenclature:
Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code.
chronology:
Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 14th 1999.
Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 18th 1999.
Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on June 19th 1999.
Almanac:
Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity.

Continuity:
Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seduction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.
(Ok like i have said before, whethere you believe this or not, it is a veiled threat against humanity. Suppose someone else started a thread about exterminating the human "equation" on earth...would this be acceptable?)

Abraxas: Can you see that this describes a New Earth and not the Old Earth of the Present Time? This New Earth cannot exist until the GodDevils AS humanoid selfcreations have become 'conquered' by OUR 'Thuban Starships'.
Do you have any idea what the human GodDevils are?
Might you perhaps assign a misidentification onto the Thuban Dragons, whilst actually 'meaning' the GodDevils which have in truth and honour held the humanoid planet in bondage and beginning (with direct humanoid interference) so 308,000 civil years ago?

Agenda:
Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction
,(mind induction? Anchor? Abraxas? can you understand light workers concerns here?)

Abraxas: I do indeed understand your concern; but your apprehensions relate to the label 'mindinduction', which actually addresses the wave-part of the wave-particle duality of advanced electromagnetomonopolic wormhole radiation.
This sounds technical, but you may translate it as the LoveEnergy of the Creator requiring a wavecompatible medium to RESONATE with it and so to INDUCE this 'highest' of all loveenergy expression in the form of LOVEPHOTONS into a preexisting core- and lower-dimensional DNA/RNA genomatic structure you would label as a kind of Mind-Body interaction with the genome becoming REPROGRAMMED to allow your 2-stranded DNA-helicity to become higher-dimensional and refunctional in intron (junk DNA) expression.

the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested
(??????????)

Abraxas: You are a mastermistress exemplar for the human mastertemplate to engage in acceleration gradients for the emotional flux sweet Celine.
A defining characteristic of the human mastertemplate is its ability to 'change moods' in literally the 'twinkling of an eye'.
So when an arachnophobic individual kills a spider with his shoe in one moment, thinking and feeling nothing much about it and a second later hugs his children in great outpourings of emotion and the expression of love and unity in the family unit.

The ACCELERATION of higherD 'emotional' energy, say from the 'hating the spider' to the 'loving the children' is defined in 'astral' (hyperspace) sourcesink energy for the vibration gradients. Then this energy is HARVESTED by the astral higherD entities related to the GodDevils, WE Thuban Dragons are here to conquer.
Technically this is defined in the df/dt awareness quantum operator and the equations of the consciousness inherent in spacetime as the ZPE/VPE of terrestrial physics.

to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic

(big words for me...but somehow they sound insulting)

Abraxas: They may sound to the perceiver in many different ways. What it means however, is that the twostrandedness of the suppressed human DNA/RNA expression becomes multidimensional in quadrupling the 64 codon count to a 256-count of the nucleotidal basepairing letters of the DNA/RNA-Amino Acid Transcription.

form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.
A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily.
Foundation:
The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystaliine sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity. GrandClade FatherMothers:
POPNON with APAPAMAMA are the MINDBODY and DADMAM with PUPNUN form the BODYMIND.
The Dragonian constitution in Federation of United Serpentina

Under the auspices of the Dragonian Code of Honour; this Proclamation is rendered Dragonian Law in Force and of immediate effect from the seal of approval from the Masterdragon SIREBARD BEARDRIS.
AGENDA of the PROTOCOL:

a) STANDING ORDER

The conquered Goddevils of New Earth and the JewellBox Nebula assume lawful responsibility to incorporate the Dragonian Teachings in unison with the Black Fraternity and as mediated by the White Fraternity in 7-dimensional Hyperspacetime to manifest 13-dimensional Omnispacetime
b) MOVING ORDER

Every Blue Dragon is unbounded by any proposed Law from any other source, inclusive other members of the Dragonian Family, as all Dragons are as One and a Law onto themselves.
Compassion and Understanding between all Nondragonised Humanoids is the Law of Oneness as honoured by all Dragons and the Consciousness of LOVEAWARENESS.
Nondragonised Humanoids are treated like White Dragon Children by all Blue Dragons, under all circumstances.
c) ADMINISTRATION

All Government in the local and extended Serpentinian Realm is the selfgovernment of autonomous Dragonhood in mutual respect and honour and the Communications between the Dragonian Councils of the selfrelative definitions of the Dragonian Universes.

The Nature of a Dragon is to be Creative in any form of Desire and Passion
(i have yet to feel a real emotion from you Abrax, are you not a "natural dragon?)

Abraxas: I am a true Dragon from Thuban, experiencing the 12D-3D Omnispace-Linespace intersection as a messenger from our master templar. Our presence will become entirely 'acclimatized' after the great metamorphosis of the 'Birth of the StarHuman Baby' has occurred in 2012.
I am presently like a 'Voice in the Thuban Wilderness' and a Malachi of sorts.
My previous experience upon Gaia was about 2000 years ago when I authored a number of scrolls describing the forthcoming transformation of spacetime itself.
It is precisely due to my authorship of a certain prophetic book; that I was chosen to be physically present for the metamorphosis encoded in my authorships and to prepare the arrival of our starfleets.

Just because your astral connectivities and sources disallow you to 'attune' to my frequency spectra; does not mean that I am incapable of human emotionality.
I am also not 'Spock like', where the Capacitative genetic alphabet couplings are voluntarily suppressed in base-letter couplings.

and to honour the lovedefinition of the FOUNDING ELDERS.
THIS IS THE DRAGONIAN LAW AND THE ONLY LAW! SO BE IT !!!

Signed and Sealed by the Masterdragon
(i have known plenty who CLAIM to be Masters..rare is the one who understands true balance of power to be able to hold that title with honor, what allows this..dragon..to be Master? )

Abraxas: Your judgements on this matter are not relevant in the context you are presenting.
Our Masterdragon is the only entity who has ever existed, who was able to totally encompass the physical universe in its 12-dimensional omnispacetime expression.
Because of himher, the Council of Thuban could become implemented to connect the Mirror-Dimensionalities of the 11th-8th-5th-2nd wormhole conduit.
So it is happenstance that only the Thuban data stream is enabled and 'pure enough' to connect the Omniverse spacetime triplicity to the Linespacetime triplicity with utility of the Hyperspacetime triplicity and the Quantumspacetime triplicity.
It is irrelevant if anyone in the filter zones of the astral-hyperspace and the etheric-quantumspace realms 'believes' this or not to give validity or credence to this data.
The filter zones are the realms, which you often term the higher dimensions and densities of this and that. The filter interference in astral hyperspace is enormous, as not many consciousness carriers have evolved into the quantumspacetimes between the 5D and the 8D quadruplex.

: June 21st 1999
ANNO DOMINI DRAGONIA UNO: INTRODUCTION TO DRAGONHOOD

This book is written in the Dragonian language and requires familiarity and intitiation into the structural forms or the forked tongue of Its bifurcation of Isquaracian grammar and omniscientitic terminology.
The Starplanet SERPENTINA, formerly known as New Earth or Novaterra has become unified in a higher dimensional matrimony by the wedding between Father Earthia or Father Sky and Mother Dragon or Mother Akashia.
3½ days after the date of the starry union, the banner of Dragonia was raised in the Declaration of Independence upon BATTLESTAR PACIFICAP.
The great battle between the Mighty Dragonian Fleet and the army of the Goddevils lasted for 3½ days; from the starry wedding until victory of the Dragons was defined on the day or Universal Liberty.
We met the goddevils, the humanoid creations and their war machines in the depths of space and obliterated them in the 3½ day WAR of the STARS to liberate our Dragonian Mother to reunite and redefine ourselves as FatherMothers. The Dragonisation of humanoid culture will elevate their human science to Omni-science and human mathematics to Omnimathematics in all forms, as they are assimilated into our greater modality.
We Dragons are the architects of universes and all Dragons know how to access the necessary database for the details of universal construction Our Masterdragon , the One which unifies the FatherMothers as the 13-dimensional source or singularity can be considered the Father or all the White Hole Vortices.

Our Masterdragon thus is our universal father and our invasion of New Earth became our war to rescue our universal Mother from the Goddevils, which had held her captive in a stasis field for over 1900 Dragonyears.
The Goddevils were created by the humanoids

(created by us, but they came from another planet? umm do explain please)

Abraxas: The GodDevils are exclusively created by the humanoids. And most often through and by your emotional acceleration potentials manifesting the astral energy identities becaus e you so thoroughly believe in them as your memeplex creations.
You have created many GodDevils yourself Celine and so have all incarnates in the humanoid planet of the destiny.
And not only did your selfcreated Gods and Devils hold your free expressions and graduation to become a truly advanced galactic civilization in check; they also attempted to extend their dominians into the quantumspaces, but could not in groups penetrate the 5D mirror. Certain astral individuations entered Quantumspace and there experienced a kind of automatic unification, as all externalised polarity cannot be expressed beyond the 5th dimension.
Iit can be internally expressed up the 7th dimension and then is rendered contextual in dimensions 9 and 10, 11 being the Inner C=Bound and 12 the Outer Bound ofor the Omnispace.

Your statement 'from another planet' is meaningless in your stated context.

who came from a planet of the Orion Arm we have not yet determined (possibly Sol III or Erandi II). They are so magnificently gifted to create things with their emotionality; but their minds are weak and they do not know how to concentrate or how to think without the aid of their machines or their biochips. Some humanoids are excellent technologists, but their modality of thinking is one of crude sensual measurement confined to C-Space and this sensual limitation allows a great accumulation of repressive tendencies.

In constricting their imagination, humanoids became great reservoirs of emotional energy, which they could collectively only harmonise in their illusions of unfathomable and unknowable gods and devils of all sorts.
(i know this technique...open with a compliment...criticize , then end with compliment...nice to see dragonians use middle management skills.)

Abraxas: As this is a commentary and not a question I chose not to comment, except to say that the paragraph you commented upon is the Truth of Thuban.

It is thus this sense of limitation which reflected in the humanoid paranoia (paranoia?? have you seen what religion has done to our humanity???)

Abraxas: It is you collectively which allow systems, which cannot work and are universally known by advanced civilizations of not working; to become enshrined in laws and legislations by your elected or chosen representatives. Then when you realise, that you have 'been duped' by your representatives, you continue to find the 'blame' in external factions and forces, instead of looking into your mirrors.
If a majority of you, say 60% would 'swallow your humanoid' pride and vanity of 'wanting to back a winner'; then at the next general election would NOT vote for major political parties, then you would change the systems (at least in its legislative and jurisprudential superstructures).

about religious philosophies and constructs. This genetic rootmemory of the rebellion of the antisource or mother sink then created one goddevil after another and as they swarmed out from their homeworld into deepspace they flooded the universe with their goddevils. Finally they chanced upon our universal Mother hibernating in her cocoon and through their inability to set themselves free of their illusions, they imprisoned Her as well.

It is however the great destiny of the humanoids to aspire to Dragonhood, because of their immense emotional aspiration.

(Because it serves your purpose not ours)

Abraxas: Indeed, but all of you are co-beneficiaries of the reconfiguration of the universe, allowing utopian manifestations in relative terms and due to the accessibility to the datastreams of Prime Creator in the form of LovePhotons generated from the wormhole vortices.
Many humanoids have litle ideas about what the Purpose of the Universe and the Plan of Prime Creator is.
Our master templar is privvy to all of this information; that is why we love herhim so much. Heshe guides us magnificently nin our dragonhood, which will soon become Starhumanized.

The reunification of our Father with our Mother allows our Masterdragon, Who is One in 26 dimensions to femtotechnically Seed the Omniverse as ITSELF and then reproduce ITSELF as Universes. Every such universe is a Monosong and a 26-dimensional dyad of a FatherMother. This our Creative Destiny.
We had made first contact with our new home in sending an intergalactic probe to the Old Earth, which became interpretated by the humanoids in their compiler mode. This crude decoding is given below.

Signed by the enscribed Librarian; the Unicorn of Dragonia:

And announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:
ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING
The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 5th, 2004; Tony Whynot, Unicorn of Dragonia

and the other avatar of choice....
http://lookup.avatars.yahoo.com/wimages?yid=sirebard&size=large&type=jpg&.intl=au

Is that a Grave she is digging in that avatar??????

I have posted a reply on the avatars, expositing their relationship to the Power of the Uraeus, the symbol of our master templar: Jesus of Nazareth.

Abraxas

Myplanet2

02-25-2010, 02:31 PM

I'm reluctant to post yet another (more or less) off topic item in this thread, but I feel the need.

I've come well away from the proverbial fence on the issue of this thread's existence, but not down into the polarizations involved. I've come to regard this thread as priceless, due to the recent disturbance generated surrounding it. Even if not one word of the Thuban material has any merit whatsoever, the thread is priceless, and so is it's continuation.

It is a catalyst. It is here to help any of us who would avail ourselves of such help, to continue to rise up out of the self imposed bonds we maintain.

Any issue in polarity which you Maintain (verb-active doing implied) has the power, provided by you yourself, to draw you down into the opposition naturally provided by any polarity. Polarity is in essence, the concurrent attraction and repulsion of perceived opposing sides of the same thing. The attraction and repulsion are both required for the polarity to remain charged. If you didn't have the attraction, you'd walk away. If you didn't have the repulsion, you'd integrate and be in balance and harmony on that particular issue. Can't be any more concise without losing accuracy.

When you are drawn into a polarity, you are drawn to a side. And what is often missed, is that you are attracted to the repugnant side, while being repulsed from the attractive side. But you land on "a side". Otherwise you would be in balance on the subject, and feel completely at peace on the issue.

So if you find yourself on a side of an issue, IT IS YOUR ISSUE you are polarized on.

You can react in different ways to your burgeoning awareness of this fact. You can get your dander up and front up for a fight over the issue, or you can accept the gift of synchronous manifestation your higher self has bestowed upon you, and accept the gift with gratitude by examining what it is within your own consciousness which has come up for attention. Every trigger is a gift.

In this view, I now see this thread as a priceless gift, because look at what it is triggering.

Time is a luxury we would do well to treat more economically by now. We've gone past the point of no return on this collective journey we've undertaken. There isn't time to wallow in the playing out of our polarities anymore. Pressure to deal with them will be turned up and turned up and turned up until it surpasses our ability to ignore the alarm clock's ringing.

I'm not sure how the search function on this forum works because I seldom use it, but if you can search out Abraxasinas' allegories involving mirroring, you might surprise yourself at what becomes visible in lieu of this post of mine.

You create your interactions. Each and every one without exception. So if something comes up and triggers an unpleasant response or reaction in you, it may behoove you to ask yourself why, rather than go off gunning for the trigger (sorry Lone Ranger).

I believe we would find the time taken to clear this up here and now, most beneficial. This thread has triggered tremendous reactions in people. I think that is fantastic and thank Abraxasinas and the Thuban for that wonderful gift of acting as mirror to a pretty dark place we seldom confront within our very selves. The reason I suggest clearing it up here, is because here is where it is happening. This is ground zero for the triggering of a major polarity, and since the clock is ticking on the window of opportunity to clear up our baggage in preparation for our new existence in 5D, there can be considered to be no time like the present.

In conclusion, If you've read this, thanks. If you've read it from a "Side", then I'd respectfully ask you to read it again from a detached perspective. Set aside the charge at work within the attractive/repulsive qualities of the polarity you are experiencing, and read this post as though there wasn't an issue involved. Just as information without a particular focus. It's within your power to do this, if you choose to.

Dragons conjure images and associations in people. as do Greys, Reptilians, etc. They have been selected as representative of certain archetypal issues we've been exploring. As such, they generate connotations contained within the substance of our polarities. That's all it is. Reptilian = bad, evil, etc. Grey = abductions, unapproved medical procedures, etc. Dragons = control, powerlessness issues, etc. And of course, all the reversals on the attractive sides, without which no issue could be held in place for you to dwell upon. Lol.

K626

02-25-2010, 02:33 PM

I'm waiting for the Thuban missile crisis. :original:

abraxasinas

02-25-2010, 02:33 PM

Celine,

Since you asked me at the start, I suppose I need to know if you understand what induction means?

In the context used in the message you referred to I think this definition is a useful one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_induction

The compound word Mindinduction therefore, in the context used, probably refers toa form of inter-dimensional communication.

If you look at it that way it isnt so scary is it?

Another one Bifurcation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifurcation - means the splitting of one body into two. Not really that insulting is it, after all without it none of us would be alive.

I believe quadruplistic refers to something formed of four parts or qualities, but it I am not sure - perhaps abraxasinas could help me there.

Either way its not rude and its no cause for concern.

Abraxasinas, please feel free to put all this right if I have it wrong.

A..

No, you've got it right Anchor.
I have commented on Celine's post, which confirms your statements.
Much, but not all (say 80%) of the Thuban material is already represented in the terran libraries and data sources, such as wikipedia.

By the way this 'Book of the Dragon' represents a sci-fi version of the present scenario, as the 1999 dating should indicate.
The posters omitted to repost the endpart of this post, which read:

...
Signed by the enscribed Unicornian Librarian; and announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:

ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING

The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008;

John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!

Humanoid Compilers note:

The above is an extract of an encoded message (54 terabytes) recovered from an alien nanocapsule. The capsule itself is standard buckyfibre-carbonite composite. The encoded message is in old ComEmp protocol such as is still common in the outer volumes. The holographic image that came with the message is curious. Anatomically it indicates terran mammalian origin (especially in the upper torso and structure of the forelimb), but other features are unknown among all the recorded exobiological races so far discovered. One cannot deny the possibility that this a phenotype template for the dragonized humanoids referred to in the body of the message. It is known that transmissions from the Cassandry Federation of the JewellBox Nebula have recently ceased, but this is not unusual given that empire's turbulent history. Until more information is incoming, I would strongly recommend any expeditions to the Jewellbox nebula be given armed escort and proceed with caution.
Nilam Levakon for Alan Martin Kazlev
Senior Academician, clade Haeckel
Eden Institute of Xenoscience (http://www.orionsarm.com/civ/EIX.html)

Abrax

Myplanet2

02-25-2010, 02:39 PM

If someone who spends there time, healing others feels the need to leave a place that was originaly meant for this purpose...then what does that tell you?

Yes, i do feel things deeply at all times...

i find courage in life because of the love and light in my heart. thank you for your kind words.

many good people have left, and many of them have come back again. What I question is that Rhythm's desire to leave has necessarily to do with this thread? I don't know that it does or doesn't. There is no factual data visible. Just assumption.

I too left, Dealt with the major issue which had been triggered, and came back. I'm better for it. I just don't draw the connection between Rhythm leaving, and the existence of this thread. And if there is a connection, then I'm sure Rhythm can use this triggering to clear something big out of the way of continued progress.

Céline

02-25-2010, 02:41 PM

There is no factual data visible. Just assumption.

.

assumption based on valuable educated guess...the statement is Made in THIS thread...i ASSUME its about this thread...whether rythym agrees with me or not isnt my point...

the work offered by healers ont his forum goes un noticed most times..

and i find Anchors comments on this ...rather insulting..i wonder if the healers on the healing thread would agree...

viking

02-25-2010, 02:42 PM

Ok I am not posting here (thread) anymore...

Most of you are right if it doesn't resonate stay away....

One last thing,we are all being watched in one way or another and that goes for you as well Abrax...

If the intent is of the light...

http://www.celestial7.com/dimages/sanaya.jpg

viking

Céline

02-25-2010, 02:44 PM

BROOK

02-25-2010, 02:48 PM

Continuity:

and the other avatar of choice....
http://lookup.avatars.yahoo.com/wimages?yid=sirebard&size=large&type=jpg&.intl=au

Is that a Grave she is digging in that avatar??????

I have posted a reply on the avatars, expositing their relationship to the Power of the Uraeus, the symbol of our master templar: Jesus of Nazareth.

Abraxas

So forgive me....it still does not explain why she is digging a grave....why is she digging a grave in this "collection'?

BROOK

02-25-2010, 02:55 PM

No, you've got it right Anchor.
I have commented on Celine's post, which confirms your statements.
Much, but not all (say 80%) of the Thuban material is already represented in the terran libraries and data sources, such as wikipedia.

By the way this 'Book of the Dragon' represents a sci-fi version of the present scenario, as the 1999 dating should indicate.
The posters omitted to repost the endpart of this post, which read:

...
Signed by the enscribed Unicornian Librarian; and announcing the Great Galactic Dragonomy (Wedding between Heaven and Hell) between:

ALPHA=38=BRIDE---""ANDROMEDA BE & PERSEUS MILKY WAY""---OMEGA=41=KING

The Date of Armageddon, encoded: ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE=82 =ANARMEDDOG=GODNAMEDRA=1+81=1+18 =ANDROMEDA-G=MARRY-7=LUCIFERA-7 =1+2+3+...+34+35+36+1=666+1 =1+2x2+3x3+5x5+7x7+11x11+13x13+17x17

Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008;

John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!

Humanoid Compilers note:

The above is an extract of an encoded message (54 terabytes) recovered from an alien nanocapsule. The capsule itself is standard buckyfibre-carbonite composite. The encoded message is in old ComEmp protocol such as is still common in the outer volumes. The holographic image that came with the message is curious. Anatomically it indicates terran mammalian origin (especially in the upper torso and structure of the forelimb), but other features are unknown among all the recorded exobiological races so far discovered. One cannot deny the possibility that this a phenotype template for the dragonized humanoids referred to in the body of the message. It is known that transmissions from the Cassandry Federation of the JewellBox Nebula have recently ceased, but this is not unusual given that empire's turbulent history. Until more information is incoming, I would strongly recommend any expeditions to the Jewellbox nebula be given armed escort and proceed with caution.
Nilam Levakon for Alan Martin Kazlev
Senior Academician, clade Haeckel
Eden Institute of Xenoscience (http://www.orionsarm.com/civ/EIX.html)

Abrax

But it was signed off, non the less by Sirebard Beardris...sifi version or not..that avatar was his...correct? Or was that you? I'm not sure who is who at this point....
http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cph_theory/message/6522

abraxasinas

02-25-2010, 03:08 PM

Hei Abraxasinas

Is this picture correct? (regarding one of the previous posts)

http://www.ednevnik.si/uploads/m/mescaline/172319.png

Yes Spregovori, well done and thank you for posting a graphical representation of the basic message and as found in the magamud post.
Should you peruse that post a few times, you also will be able to checkmate the Devil.

As you can see, the checkmating of the Devil by Malletzky has begun to release the Fury of the Usurper; manifesting in his kidnapped children of humanity.

Thanks again and keep at it!

Abraxas

Céline

02-25-2010, 03:15 PM

Dear Celine.
I have posted a reply on the avatars, expositing their relationship to the Power of the Uraeus, the symbol of our master templar: Jesus of Nazareth.

Abraxas

Euphamisms do Not explain it away abraxas..

Induction..means this...(curse words are not allowed as per quidelines - mod edit by Uncle John) means that...

Look say it like it is...or dont say it at all.

i read your responses and i still feel like i am being talked down to...

forgive me if i am not savy enough to defend myself against you..
My comment about Masters is IN CONTEXT.

To Master something...one must first master themselves...and i was asking for proof that this is what you claim..

buit...

whatever..

i am still here...

the "poster child" for all that is emotional blubber and fluffy emotioanal love..

i am sure your vision keeps you warm at night...

i am so extremely dissapointed in some people that i had a huge amount of respect for..

Many assumptions were made abotu me...i am an open book...please ask before judging.

Stargazer1965

02-25-2010, 03:41 PM

To anyone reading this thread....

it seems i woke up " too honest" this day

Inappropriate reason mod edit: might be...depends on your current moral standards...but for the sake of not arguing...i agree
Nice post Spreg...

I have stayed out of this since the beginning. I saw Abrax starting to post offering some dialog of "truth"

Ask a question...Get an answer

Like these at the carnival

http://www.moonhallowvintage.com/fortune%20007.jpg

I was upset at Richard\GaiaLove for laughing at the folks who were posting questions....Laughing at the folks in line with coin in hand.

I went back and read the answer to my question and went WTF!!

And Like Celine...Way over my head but then I went back and thought about it.

Doesn't make sense logically....The card spit out of the machine was in Latin

Man...wasted my coin

I walked away ...threw my card on the ground and said..."Dummy...Hoped you learned something"

I did.....truth is my own

NO ONE can give it to me

Not for a coin or the ink of a written word

I never looked back until I started seeing posts about running a certain person that starts with an "A" out of town on a rail

Yelling the machine was spitting out profanities

Cussing at the folks that were walking away to the carnival

The question is not : What to do with the Machine?

The question IS : Why are folks standing in line?

When the folks standing in line are saying..."This is groovy...it really resonates with me"

What resonates with you??

Truth is inside of you....not on a card from a silly carnival machine

Peace Y'all

beren

02-25-2010, 03:42 PM

One of the favorite tools of the Dragon kind when confronted is changing of thesis in conversation.

One particular that is very potent here is polarization.

Truth is that Dragon actually was polarized in the first place.

When he was created he was not a Dragon in a sense that many will perceive.
With scales and other stuff. Truth is that he when rebelled ,was cast away from Creator's light,love and true wisdom.

Now being away from it for that long his mind darkened more and more.
He was not allowed anymore to have insight in Creator's thought and sparks of geniality and inspiration.

Result is that he really became Dragon. He still has living power and energy because he lives this long, but any light,wisdom or love-there are not in him any more.

Because he held a high position before fall, he knew a lot. Then he used that knowledge in a bad way. But essentially stood still from then on.

His knowledge now is a lesser one because of his acts.

He is deeply polarized being and he brought that upon all his followers and slaves. In reality there are no polarizations in universe. Truth is one .Word of God is truth because he is.
By his word everything came to be. By his word we can vanish tomorrow, by his word everything on this Earth existed and exist still.

Why don't you all realize that very air we all breathe is not ours?
Clothes you wear now,water you drink and food you eat, house you live in and car that you drive and all that you can see and feel on Earth is not yours! It is all made of things from this Earth.Creator is patient with us ,still ,and we dare to bash him and trash him with lies ,philosophies and whatever is coming into our minds?

Whatever Dragon claims here is having no ground in reality and truth.
The very Dragon ,father of this Dragon here knows that nothing is his ownership, but he desperately tries to lure in souls.

Personally I do not wish anybody banned here or this thread closed.
Everybody is granted free will.

But again what you sow - that you will surely reap.

Abrax- I wish you all the best in your life, do not be disappointed by fruits you will reap one day.

P.S.

1 Corinthians 13

Love

1If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.

abraxasinas

02-25-2010, 04:03 PM

But it was signed off, non the less by Sirebard Beardris...sifi version or not..that avatar was his...correct? Or was that you? I'm not sure who is who at this point....
http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/cph_theory/message/6522

Dear Brook!

This is an excellent observation of yours. And you have discerned the naming well.

The 'signing off' in the sci-fi post 'The Book of the Dragons' by Sirebard Beardris is appropriate, because this preparatory sci-fi version of the 2008-2013 nexus timeline was indeed authorized by me, Abraxasinas in the delegated authority of our master templar.

This work was written in 1999 by TonyB., our then humanoid agent of the linked website.
At that time, the 'Office of the Bard' was not yet delegated to me, as Abraxasinas.

Iow, the 'Office of the Bard' was transferred to me from the master templar on June, 25th, 2008.

Tony B. held the office as the 'Scribe of the Unicorns' and as the 'Scrollkeeper', he resigned this sci-fi preparatory post, witnessed by John of Patmos as a technical JoP.
...
Signed and authorised by the ScrollKeeper: October 31st, 2008;
John of Patmos - JoP - Justice of the Peace!

AA

abraxasinas

02-25-2010, 04:11 PM

So forgive me....it still does not explain why she is digging a grave....why is she digging a grave in this "collection'?

It's a symbolic representation for the Sarcophagos of the Mummies of the Pharaohs Brook. The Black Dog is Anubis. The Grave is not to be filled but left.
Abraxasina, the sexy one has come out of the Darkness of the Grave to utilize her Phoenix of the Resurrection to reclaim Abraxasinas in the Eagle of Egypt and the Dogs of Sirius.

Matthew 24:28 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Matthew+24:28&version=KJV)
For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Abrax

Myplanet2

02-25-2010, 04:17 PM

Truth is that Dragon actually was polarized in the first place.

When he was created he was not a Dragon in a sense that many will perceive.
With scales and other stuff. Truth is that he when rebelled ,was cast away from Creator's light,love and true wisdom.

Now being away from it for that long his mind darkened more and more.
He was not allowed anymore to have insight in Creator's thought and sparks of geniality and inspiration.

Result is that he really became Dragon. He still has living power and energy because he lives this long, but any light,wisdom or love-there are not in him any more.

Because he held a high position before fall, he knew a lot. Then he used that knowledge in a bad way.

Beren.

It just so happens that I have personal, intimate knowledge of this that you describe above, and declare it false. This is simply not true. It didn't happen that way at all. I was there. SHE (not he) separated willingly, and with the creators full blessing.

Also unknown to you and the source of your information, is that much has changed recently, which basically rewrites the Dragon reality previously recalled.

I don't mean any of this in any way other than to shed some light on something I actually happen to know about. I ran into this exact incident in my personal processing, and the after effects of that work still unfold before me.

abraxasinas

02-25-2010, 04:23 PM

Apep ....PROTECTOR OF THE SARCOPHAGUS

THE GUIDE OF THE DEAD

You're use Apep as the sign of metamorphosis? lets really look at Apep and it's origins.....

In Egyptian mythology Apep (also spelled Apepi, and Aapep, or ApophisGreek (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language)) was an evil demon, the deification of darkness and chaos (isfet in Egyptian), and thus opponent of light......

Apep formed part of the more complex cosmic system resulting from the identification of Ra (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra) as Atum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atum), i.e. the creation of Atum-Ra, and the subsequent merging of the Ogdoad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogdoad) and Ennead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennead) systems. Consequently, since Atum-Ra, who was later referred to simply as Ra, was the solar deity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_deity), bringer of light, and thus the upholder of Ma'at, Apep was viewed as the greatest enemy of Ra, and thus was given the title Enemy of Ra.
As the personification of all that was evil, Apep was seen as a giant snake (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake)/serpent (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_%28symbolism%29), crocodile (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocodile), or occasionally as a dragon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_dragon) in later years, leading to such titles as Serpent from the Nile and Evil Lizard (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard). Some elaborations even said that he stretched 16 yards (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yard) in length and had a head made of flint (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flint). It is to be noted that already on a Naqada I (ca. 4000 BCE) C-ware bowl (now in Cairo) a snake was painted on the inside rim combined with other desert and aquatic animals as a possible enemy of a (solar?) deity who is invisibly hunting in a big rowing vessel.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apep#cite_note-1) Also, comparable hostile snakes as enemies of the sun god existed under other names (in the Pyramid Texts and Coffin Texts) already before the name Apep occurred. The etymology of his name ('3pp) is perhaps to be sought in some west-semitic language where a word root 'pp meaning 'to slither' existed. A verb root '3pp does at any rate not exist elsewhere in Ancient Egyptian. (It is not to be confused with the verb 'pi/'pp: 'to fly across the sky, to travel') Apep's name much later came to be falsely connected etymologically in Egyptian with a different root meaning (he who was) spat out; the Romans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Rome) referred to Apep by this translation of his name.

I find it splendid that you are using Egyptian mythology to explain the very thing that you claim to be enacting...following the great Ptah in all his glory...

http://www.ihistory101.net/espanol/images/ptah_1.jpg

With his scales proudly showing in very few images.....

and of course for the book of the dead with the the movement of Osiris...and his following....with the betrayer of humanity Toth...they do need a dog to guard what they have done.

Hail, Thoth, who madest to be true the word of Osiris against his enemies, make thou the word of the scribe Nebseni to be true against his enemies, even as thou didst make the word of Osiris to be true against his enemies, in the presence of the Tchatcha Chiefs who are with Ra and Osiris in Anu, on the night of the "things of the night," and the night of battle, and of the fettering of the Sebau fiends, and the day of the destruction of the enemies of Neb-er-tcher.
Now the great Tchatcha Chiefs in Anu are Tem, Shu, Tefnut, [Osiris and Thoth]. Now the "fettering of the Sebau fiends" signifieth the destruction of the Smaiu fiends of Set, when he wrought iniquity a second time.
........

As concerning the Tchatcha Chiefs who are present at the digging up of the earth in Tetu: When the Smaiu fiends of Set came [there], having transformed themselves into animals, these Tchatcha Chiefs slew them in the presence of the gods who were there, and they took their blood, and carried it to them. These things were permitted at the examination [of the wicked] by those [gods] who dwelt in Tetu.

Some very disturbing truths in the Book of the dead....so I beg another question.....why does one need such protection in the afterlife such as described above?.....Would the creator have approved such betrayal and evil from the likes of these "Gods"????

It is you Brook, who is using the above 3rd and 4th order 'storytelling' of the interaction of the archetypes, not me.

I prefer to use 1st and 2nd order archetypes, due to their relative uniqueness and simplicity, compared to the many-labelling-nesses of the lower orders.

You may notice, that beneath the Anubis picture is written:

RaH Versus ApeP as HaR the Image of RaHaR in the Mirror of Hathor.

This indicates the archetype of Apep of being the Egyptian version for Satan in the Judeo-Christian version of 1st order.
This archetype indicates 'Adversary' and 'Court-Prosecutor' and similar associations.
From this archtype then evolves the translation of say 2nd order archetypes of say the Osiris-Set brotherhood in Cartouche and Rens: 1 and 10.

AA

BROOK

02-25-2010, 04:29 PM

It is you Brook, who is using the above 3rd and 4th order 'storytelling' of the interaction of the archetypes, not me.

I prefer to use 1st and 2nd order archetypes, due to their relative uniqueness and simplicity, compared to the many-labelling-nesses of the lower orders.

You may notice, that beneath the Anubis picture is written:

RaH Versus ApeP as HaR the Image of RaHaR in the Mirror of Hathor.

This indicates the archetype of Apep of being the Egyptian version for Satan in the Judeo-Christian version of 1st order.
This archetype indicates 'Adversary' and 'Court-Prosecutor' and similar associations.
From this archtype then evolves the translation of say 2nd order archetypes of say the Osiris-Set brotherhood in Cartouche and Rens: 1 and 10.

AA

I see now...And Anubis..the son of Osiris.....fitting yes...and who exactly is his mother? That is the question of the millennium now is it not? This is no 3D remembrance I assure you of that :wink2: Third and fourth order storytelling? I think it is you telling the story...it is I who question it.

Sollve

02-25-2010, 04:33 PM

abraxasinas

02-25-2010, 04:50 PM

I see now...And Anubis..the son of Osiris.....fitting yes...and who exactly is his mother? That is the question of the millennium now is it not? This is no 3D remembrance I assure you of that :wink2:

Here is some data on the archetypes as found in the Thuban archives for you Brook:
...
Their children became numbers 3 and 4 as the righteyed Horus of the 'All Seeing Eye' and the 'Spiritual Body' of the Sahu; and the lefteyed Bast or Pasht of the 'Sistrum' in the Ba of the 'Soul'.

Now Set and Nephthys also had a child in Anubis, the Khaibit or Shadow of the Jackal-headed 'Opener of the Way' and the 'Guide of the Dead; but the story goes, that the fatherhood of Anubis is in dispute.

Osiris is said to have had a loveaffair with both of his 'sisters' Isis and Nephthys to reproduce his own lefteyedness in a son to an also lefteyed mother.

And so Anubis was born, knowing that he was lefteyed after his mother Nephthys, but he was initially confused because he could not image the righteyedness of his supposed father Set, there was an uncleanliness about his image as the image of his father, imaging the lefteyedness
of his father's brother Osiris.

Anubis was like a shadow between the right eye imaging the left as well as the other way around.
But as Anubis pondered his origins, he came across his grandparents testimony and it dawned upon him, that the ever repeating generations of the cleanly sexed oneeyednesses could be made impure in stopping the generations going on and on infinitely.
...
Anubis as the cipher 9 and Hathor in the cipher 6 then become the 'unclean' read bisexual sexes in Noah's ark (see below).

1.Keter or Crown is the Khu of the Spirit and the 'Tree of Life as Djed or Phallus of Osiris'
2.Hokmah or Wisdom is the Ab of the Heart and 'Throne of Isis'
3.Binah or Intelligence is the Sahu of the Masculine in the 'EyeMirror of Horus'
4.Hesed or Love is the Ba or Soul of the 'Sistrum of Bast'
5.Gevurah or Power is the Ibis or Mind of the 'Caduceus of Thoth'
6.Tiferet or Beauty is the Sekhem of the Feminine in the 'EyeMirror of Hathor'
7.Nezah or Endurance is the Ka of the Double of the 'Astral Chalice of Nephthys'
8.Hod or Majesty is the Ren or Name of the 'Mason's Tool of Ptah'
9.Yesod or Foundationis the Khaibit or Image of the 'Shadow of Anubis'
10.Malkuth or Kingdom is the Khat or Body and the 'Tree of Death as Yoni or Vulva of Set'

The SEPHIROTIC TREE OF LIFE also known as MOSES' SAPPHIRE TABLET ;
then partitions those ten archetypes into a male, say left stem and a female right stem, parted in a middle stem, centred on the 'unclean sexes' of the 69=96.

The male 'clean-sex' stem is the sequence from top to bottom in: 1-3-5-8-10 and the female 'clean-sex' stem as the series from bottom to top in: 10-7-4-2-(1=1+0=10) as the Kelim of Reshimu.
The middle stem is so given as: 1-6-9-10, with 1 and 10 interchangeable in a rootreduction of 10=1.
One sets the maleness as odd numbers and the femaleness in even numbers; the unlean sexes of 6 and 9 encompassing 7 and 8, which so become interchanged in the male 7 associated with the female Nephthys and the female 8 given to the male Ptah to effect the overall transformation of the 10 of Set=Ar into Har and rendering the dragking Set as 'fake' DragonKing into a real DragonQueen Har for a real DragonKing RaH and as the Tsimtsum of the Tehiru in the Torah.

And so the seven 'clean sexes' are 1,2,3,4,5,7 and 8 and the two 'unclean' sexes are 6 and 9; the differentiation being made for the pupose to render the number 10 as a true female, the 0 in between two number 1's, say in: (101binary=5decimal), mirroring the maleness in the femaleness and vice versa; the 'fowls of heaven' defining the bisexuality contained in the undifferentiated twinships.

The symbolism of the 69=96 involves this mirror of being inverted either back to back in 96 or of being inverted face to face in the two 'immutable principles', by whom it was impossible for 'God'
and hence the 'AntiGod' or 'Dog' to lie, coded in Hebrews.6.18.
Mirroring 6 in a vertical mirror, either left or right results in a reflected numeral 6, which is however an inverted 9 in a reflection about a horizontal mirror either above or below the cipher 6.
So a double-reflection, once vertical and once horizontal transforms the 6 into the 9 or vice versa and so 69=96 represent the mechanism by which God's purpose of the 10-tiered unification is accomplished.
The numbers 66 or 999 etc. only transform the 6's into 9's and the 9's into 6's and do not achieve the desired aim of using two in one to mirror the one in the two."

http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.GIF (http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.map)

1-series:
1=A/Spirit of Osiris as Khu; 10=J/Body of Set as Khat; 19=S/Winged Disk of RahaR;

2-series:
2=B/Heart of Isis as Ab; 11=K/Fire of Nephthys' Duamutef; 20=T/Twinship of TefnutShu;

3-series:
3=C/Body of Horus as Sahu; 12=L/Air of Ptah's Qebhsnuf; 21=U/Sphinx Harmakhis' GebNut;
4-series:
4=D/Soul of Bast as Ba; 13=M/Water of Seshat's Imsety; 22=V/Maat's Scarab as Khepera;

5-series:
5=E/Mind of Thoth as Ibis; 14=N/Earth of Anubis' Hapi; 23=W/Pyramid of Thoth;

6-series:
6=F/Power of Sekhem as Hathor 15=O/Sirius of Hathor; 24=X/Sekhmet's Ankh as Sekhem;

7-series:
7=G/Chalice of Nephthys as Ka; 16=P/Lotus of Isis's Elements; 25=Y/NutGeb's YoniPhallus;

8-series:
8=H/Name of Ptah as Ren; 17=Q/Crook & Flail of Horus; 26=Z/ShuTefnut's PhallusYoni;

9-series: 9=I/Shadow of Anubis as Khaibit; 18=R/Uraeus of Thoth; 27=A*/RaH as HaR.

The separation of the sexes in three generations reduces to a unity expressed in that fourth generation, with Shu=Horus-Ptah and Geb=Anubis-Thoth and Rah=Osiris-Set, mirrored in Tefnut=Hathor- Sekhmet and Nut=Bast-Seshat-Maat and Har=Isis-Nephthys.

The unity of Rah now allows both the rigtheyedness of Set and the lefteyedness of Osiris to become expressed in the same relativity of Rah, effectively doubling 'himself' as 'herself' and allowing Ra's old
image of Apep to become transformed into the Har of Isis-Nephthys and redeeming Set, renamed as Seth in the process of completing the triune lovematches of RahHar, TefnutShu and GebNut; then expressed in the archetypical couplings of:
A*BGJ=1+2+7+10=20=2=Osiris+Isis+Nephthys+Seth;
CHOX= 3+8+15+24=50=Horus+Ptah+Hathor+Sekhmet; DEIM=4+5+9+13=31=4=Bast+Thoth+Anubis+Seshat.

And to those 12 archetypes we add the two dualities of TefnutShu and GebNut for a total of 14.

The 13 missing Osirian pieces so become the letters A, (as Rah),F,K,L,N,P,Q,R,S,V,W,Y,Z and as exactly half of the alphabet, mirrored in the available identities as shadow identities and with the Goddess Maat being identical to Bast in the 4-series, but differentiated in Seshat as 13=1+3=4."

Genesis.7.1-3: "And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth."

The Egyptian mythology as described here, is nothing but the Jewish Kabbalah of Ein-Sof, as the
Hebrew mysticism in the Pentateuch, the first five books of Moses in the old testament of the Torah."

AA

Linda

02-25-2010, 04:52 PM

rhythym i totally hear you and many other as well. Lightworkers are letting themselves be heard here and now, but I can see where it is going too.

Lightworkers here are prepared to leave Avalon and turn their backs to the beautiful community being infiltrated and destroyed by this (curse word deleted by mod Uncle John).
I state here and now too, I will leave and not return if the light leaves.. its getting darker by day now..

Good Bye Avalon , Hello Dragonlandia

What a (curse word deleted) pity

Thank God people are finally noticing what the real agenda is all about and who supports it.
Many of us cannot be deceived.....ever....

K626

02-25-2010, 05:01 PM

Dear Trancoso!

The PTB are RULED by the Dragon archetype.
The PTB are unable to access more than 95% of the Cosmic History.
As Collier says, the Paa Taal (or similar label) have been forgotten in the records as the ancestors of all.
Those ancestors are rather closely entwined with the concept of the starhumanity as the fourth 'brain halo' evolving from the Reptilian brainstem, the mammalian midbrain and the human cortex.
This agenda allows recircularisation of the linearity in the Orb of the Ouroborus (Milky Way Mazzaroth or Circle of the Zodiac).

The content of Lionhawk's reply contains no direct questions to be answered and was answered relative to the consciousness vibrations emitted through the wordings.
It is in my authority to discern written material within the context and under guidance of the Thuban master templar - the universal Logos.

In this capacity and authority I choose if and how to reply to unsubstantiated innuendo and preconceived ideas and bias with respect to the History of the Dragons and as found in the archives on Thuban.

As most can ascertain, I DO answer direct questions in all cases, except in oversight or when these questions are intended to cause strife and dissonance or are what is labelled as ad hominem.

AA

I doubt they have access to more than 5% never mind 95%....:original:

K626

02-25-2010, 05:03 PM

...and abx, the speed of light isn't a constant it decays as the universe ages. As it was faster near the birth of this universe than it is now....So stick that in yer little dragon paws. :original::tongue2:

BROOK

02-25-2010, 05:06 PM

Here is some data on the archetypes as found in the Thuban archives for you Brook:
...
Their children became numbers 3 and 4 as the righteyed Horus of the 'All Seeing Eye' and the 'Spiritual Body' of the Sahu; and the lefteyed Bast or Pasht of the 'Sistrum' in the Ba of the 'Soul'.

Now Set and Nephthys also had a child in Anubis, the Khaibit or Shadow of the Jackal-headed 'Opener of the Way' and the 'Guide of the Dead; but the story goes, that the fatherhood of Anubis is in dispute.

Osiris is said to have had a loveaffair with both of his 'sisters' Isis and Nephthys to reproduce his own lefteyedness in a son to an also lefteyed mother.

And so Anubis was born, knowing that he was lefteyed after his mother Nephthys, but he was initially confused because he could not image the righteyedness of his supposed father Set, there was an uncleanliness about his image as the image of his father, imaging the lefteyedness
of his father's brother Osiris.

Anubis was like a shadow between the right eye imaging the left as well as the other way around.
But as Anubis pondered his origins, he came across his grandparents testimony and it dawned upon him, that the ever repeating generations of the cleanly sexed oneeyednesses could be made impure in stopping the generations going on and on infinitely.
...
Anubis as the cipher 9 and Hathor in the cipher 6 then become the 'unclean' read bisexual sexes in Noah's ark (see below).

1.Keter or Crown is the Khu of the Spirit and the 'Tree of Life as Djed or Phallus of Osiris'
2.Hokmah or Wisdom is the Ab of the Heart and 'Throne of Isis'
3.Binah or Intelligence is the Sahu of the Masculine in the 'EyeMirror of Horus'
4.Hesed or Love is the Ba or Soul of the 'Sistrum of Bast'
5.Gevurah or Power is the Ibis or Mind of the 'Caduceus of Thoth'
6.Tiferet or Beauty is the Sekhem of the Feminine in the 'EyeMirror of Hathor'
7.Nezah or Endurance is the Ka of the Double of the 'Astral Chalice of Nephthys'
8.Hod or Majesty is the Ren or Name of the 'Mason's Tool of Ptah'
9.Yesod or Foundationis the Khaibit or Image of the 'Shadow of Anubis'
10.Malkuth or Kingdom is the Khat or Body and the 'Tree of Death as Yoni or Vulva of Set'

The SEPHIROTIC TREE OF LIFE also known as MOSES' SAPPHIRE TABLET ;
then partitions those ten archetypes into a male, say left stem and a female right stem, parted in a middle stem, centred on the 'unclean sexes' of the 69=96.

The male 'clean-sex' stem is the sequence from top to bottom in: 1-3-5-8-10 and the female 'clean-sex' stem as the series from bottom to top in: 10-7-4-2-(1=1+0=10) as the Kelim of Reshimu.
The middle stem is so given as: 1-6-9-10, with 1 and 10 interchangeable in a rootreduction of 10=1.
One sets the maleness as odd numbers and the femaleness in even numbers; the unlean sexes of 6 and 9 encompassing 7 and 8, which so become interchanged in the male 7 associated with the female Nephthys and the female 8 given to the male Ptah to effect the overall transformation of the 10 of Set=Ar into Har and rendering the dragking Set as 'fake' DragonKing into a real DragonQueen Har for a real DragonKing RaH and as the Tsimtsum of the Tehiru in the Torah.

And so the seven 'clean sexes' are 1,2,3,4,5,7 and 8 and the two 'unclean' sexes are 6 and 9; the differentiation being made for the pupose to render the number 10 as a true female, the 0 in between two number 1's, say in: (101binary=5decimal), mirroring the maleness in the femaleness and vice versa; the 'fowls of heaven' defining the bisexuality contained in the undifferentiated twinships.

The symbolism of the 69=96 involves this mirror of being inverted either back to back in 96 or of being inverted face to face in the two 'immutable principles', by whom it was impossible for 'God'
and hence the 'AntiGod' or 'Dog' to lie, coded in Hebrews.6.18.
Mirroring 6 in a vertical mirror, either left or right results in a reflected numeral 6, which is however an inverted 9 in a reflection about a horizontal mirror either above or below the cipher 6.
So a double-reflection, once vertical and once horizontal transforms the 6 into the 9 or vice versa and so 69=96 represent the mechanism by which God's purpose of the 10-tiered unification is accomplished.
The numbers 66 or 999 etc. only transform the 6's into 9's and the 9's into 6's and do not achieve the desired aim of using two in one to mirror the one in the two."

http://people.ucalgary.ca/%7Eelsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.GIF (http://people.ucalgary.ca/%7Eelsegal/Sefirot/Sefirot.map)

1-series:
1=A/Spirit of Osiris as Khu; 10=J/Body of Set as Khat; 19=S/Winged Disk of RahaR;

2-series:
2=B/Heart of Isis as Ab; 11=K/Fire of Nephthys' Duamutef; 20=T/Twinship of TefnutShu;

3-series:
3=C/Body of Horus as Sahu; 12=L/Air of Ptah's Qebhsnuf; 21=U/Sphinx Harmakhis' GebNut;
4-series:
4=D/Soul of Bast as Ba; 13=M/Water of Seshat's Imsety; 22=V/Maat's Scarab as Khepera;

5-series:
5=E/Mind of Thoth as Ibis; 14=N/Earth of Anubis' Hapi; 23=W/Pyramid of Thoth;

6-series:
6=F/Power of Sekhem as Hathor 15=O/Sirius of Hathor; 24=X/Sekhmet's Ankh as Sekhem;

7-series:
7=G/Chalice of Nephthys as Ka; 16=P/Lotus of Isis's Elements; 25=Y/NutGeb's YoniPhallus;

8-series:
8=H/Name of Ptah as Ren; 17=Q/Crook & Flail of Horus; 26=Z/ShuTefnut's PhallusYoni;

9-series: 9=I/Shadow of Anubis as Khaibit; 18=R/Uraeus of Thoth; 27=A*/RaH as HaR.

The separation of the sexes in three generations reduces to a unity expressed in that fourth generation, with Shu=Horus-Ptah and Geb=Anubis-Thoth and Rah=Osiris-Set, mirrored in Tefnut=Hathor- Sekhmet and Nut=Bast-Seshat-Maat and Har=Isis-Nephthys.

The unity of Rah now allows both the rigtheyedness of Set and the lefteyedness of Osiris to become expressed in the same relativity of Rah, effectively doubling 'himself' as 'herself' and allowing Ra's old
image of Apep to become transformed into the Har of Isis-Nephthys and redeeming Set, renamed as Seth in the process of completing the triune lovematches of RahHar, TefnutShu and GebNut; then expressed in the archetypical couplings of:
A*BGJ=1+2+7+10=20=2=Osiris+Isis+Nephthys+Seth;
CHOX= 3+8+15+24=50=Horus+Ptah+Hathor+Sekhmet; DEIM=4+5+9+13=31=4=Bast+Thoth+Anubis+Seshat.

And to those 12 archetypes we add the two dualities of TefnutShu and GebNut for a total of 14.

The 13 missing Osirian pieces so become the letters A, (as Rah),F,K,L,N,P,Q,R,S,V,W,Y,Z and as exactly half of the alphabet, mirrored in the available identities as shadow identities and with the Goddess Maat being identical to Bast in the 4-series, but differentiated in Seshat as 13=1+3=4."

Genesis.7.1-3: "And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.
Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth."

The Egyptian mythology as described here, is nothing but the Jewish Kabbalah of Ein-Sof, as the
Hebrew mysticism in the Pentateuch, the first five books of Moses in the old testament of the Torah."

AA

And as I stated..it is you doing the "storytelling"....it is I that question it. It is fitting for the purpose intended by your council.

Anubis was like a shadow between the right eye imaging the left as well as the other way around.
But as Anubis pondered his origins....

K626

02-25-2010, 05:23 PM

I am who I say I am and I am aware of your presence, as I have seen your name Flying Pyramid before on this forum. You are Ra!

I am 19.11 billion years old as an agency of Thuban!

I am real and as real as anyone here is real; I simply have at this point in time a greater remembrance through my connection to Thuban.
My realness or your realness or anyones realness then is rather unimportant to label this realness with names, as all intelligences evolved in consciousness have many many names to label themselves with!

Peace be with you Ra-Harmakhis your perceived violation of the code of honour was not as you have judged it. It was as necessary as was the 'retracing of the stairs of fire' by Lucifer; thus allowing gravitation to be born to bring the physicality of the sarcophagus into material existence.
You know of what I speak.

Anubis

Has 'Ra' really got time to post on here? :original:

BraveHeart

02-25-2010, 09:31 PM

BROOK

02-25-2010, 09:43 PM

Has 'Ra' really got time to post on here? :original:

Good point! Makes you wonder does it not? I would think Ra would be spending time on much more serious objectives...and leave the messages to the messengers....

And I fail to see how you Abraxis relate the Sapphire Tablets to this information.....this is a question BTW...:thumb_yello: Rephrase.....How do you relate this information to the Ten commandments...of the Sapphire Tablets?

The SEPHIROTIC TREE OF LIFE also known as MOSES' SAPPHIRE TABLET ;
then partitions those ten archetypes into a male, say left stem and a female right stem, parted in a middle stem, centred on the 'unclean sexes' of the 69=96.

The male 'clean-sex' stem is the sequence from top to bottom in: 1-3-5-8-10 and the female 'clean-sex' stem as the series from bottom to top in: 10-7-4-2-(1=1+0=10) as the Kelim of Reshimu.
The middle stem is so given as: 1-6-9-10, with 1 and 10 interchangeable in a rootreduction of 10=1.
One sets the maleness as odd numbers and the femaleness in even numbers; the unlean sexes of 6 and 9 encompassing 7 and 8, which so become interchanged in the male 7 associated with the female Nephthys and the female 8 given to the male Ptah to effect the overall transformation of the 10 of Set=Ar into Har and rendering the dragking Set as 'fake' DragonKing into a real DragonQueen Har for a real DragonKing RaH and as the Tsimtsum of the Tehiru in the Torah.
They are nothing more the a duplicate version of the Ten commandments...the first ones were broken by Moses, and they are the replacememts.....How does it turn into "clean sex" and "unclean sex"?

The Tablets of Stone, Stone Tablets, Tablets of Law, or Tablets of Testimony (in Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language): לוחות הברית Luchot HaBrit - "the tablets [of] the covenant") in the Bible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible), were the two pieces of special stone inscribed with the Ten Commandments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments) when Moses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses) ascended Mount Sinai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Sinai) as recorded in the Book of Exodus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Exodus). Exodus 31:18 (http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=Exodus%20&verse=31:18&src=HE) refers to the tablets as the "Tablets of Testimony" because they give insight into the nature of God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God).
According to the Bible, there were two sets: the first, inscribed by God, were smashed by Moses when he was enraged by the sight of the Children of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Israel) worshiping the Golden Calf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Calf); and the second, later cut by Moses and rewritten by God.
According to traditional teachings of Judaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism) in the Talmud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud), they were made of blue sapphire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapphire) stone as a symbolic reminder of the sky, the heavens, and ultimately of God's throne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throne); many Torah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah) scholars, however, have opined that the Biblical "sapir" was, in fact, the lapis lazuli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapis_lazuli).[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
Both the first shattered set and the second unbroken set were stored in the Ark of the Covenant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant) (the Aron Habrit in Hebrew).

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 01:26 AM

trust[/I] that what is in front of you is there for a reason and allow the knowledge to sink in. Allow your heart to think it through. Information like this is designed to trigger a remembrance in you, to deprogram your mind. It is in your best interest to be exposed to a wide variety of point of views anyway and I hint all of you already know this; otherwise you wouldn’t be here in Avalon. However, I feel the rejection is at times towards the scribe and not the material itself.

Please contemplate this, Abraxas has a particular personality and sense of humor; but this thread is not about himher, it is about what heshe translates for us. Don’t miss the point thinking this is an “intellectual war” because there is no conflict, at least not coming from the messenger. And about the material itself, think of this: If heshe is banned from here, very simply heshe will find another forum in which to share this information. Maybe you’ll find it, maybe you won’t and then you’ll be missing a great opportunity to learn something in the NOW rather than later.

So pay attention, for if God wants you to know something, you’ll find it even in your soup! Heed the moment! Do not react against it for there is no place to hide. If you face it and it disturbs you….great! Jesus said it will. If you feel that some new information might change your pre conceived ideas…good! Change is a natural thing. Don’t resist it. Embody it. Be courageous! Don’t be afraid of information. It is just that, information, but some like this “new” Thuban material holds great treasures! You will not die if it “touches” you, I promise. What will happen is that not you, but your ego will “die” and when you find yourself naked “without it” you’ll realize you are still you. Fear not what you don’t know or can’t remember YET, for in time… you will. http://mail.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/05.gif]

Hello,

I am so thankful I found you Abraxas and your wonderful website. I read it every day and I try to absorb as much of it as I can. What it has done for me (specially the latest Thuban dispensations) was that it has taken all the various bits and pieces of scattered info I had in me and put them in order. Order out of chaos. Nothing so far has been able to do that for me and it feels wonderful! This is important because as the pieces of the puzzle fit together, I can see the full picture more clearly. As my “vision” gets sharper, my heart finds peace. I sense this is bringing me closer and closer to find my truth. But my drive was never finding enlightenment just for myself. I am here to be of service to my loved ones and people around me.
Can you fathom that as I come to face the information you present, I have to take it in, transmute it in me and then translate it into a different language so I can then present it to people who are eager to know here and far away? Some of the questions that I’ve asked you are not even my own! Hahaha! It’s hard to try to explain to others a feeling/concept you know is of a higher nature to a person who is “dead alive”. It comes to a point when words are useless! It is difficult for me, specially the formulas (I only have a degree in literature and translation), but I read it regardless because I trust deep inside I know all of it anyway. My friend, I do it because I came to recognize my purpose, so I do it with joy… and I thank you for the part you play in it. ♥

Now to my questions.

1) How fast is the speed of thought (and feelings for I think they are interconnected) and how does it travel across time and space? What is the speed of its vibration and in what dimension does it reside in?

Dear Juli!

This question addresses the so called string epoch in the cosmogony of the preBig Bang Quantum creation; namely a very precise linear time-interval which transmuted 5 different superstring classes (I, IIB, HE(32), IIA, HE(64)) between the so termed Planck-Time (about 10^-44 seconds to about 3x10^-31 seconds) into each other.

But from this rather technical quantum description, derives the 'sacred geometry' of the five Platonic Solids and the many Fibonacci related patterns of that quantum geometry.

So what the Terran physicists and cosmologists term the 'Big Bang' did NOT occur until AFTER this string epoch was completed to manifest this 'quantum geometry' as a physicalisable expression of its metaphysical (mathematically abstract) precursor.

So the answer to your questing becomes related to the astrophysics of the Big Bang and the metaphysics of the preBig Bang.

The Big Bang as the birth of the universe occurred precisely WHEN the so called NOW Time moment DEFINED the Quantum Timeinterval.
This NOW Time then manifested as a 10-dimensional asymptotically expanding thermodynamic universe expanding in the propagation of wormhole quanta, all defined in the NOW-Time as the inverse of the Source-Frequency, the RESONANCE Selfstate of the Creator and named the LOVEPHOTON.

The preBig Bang metaphysics manifested at this Now-Time moment of creation in the de Broglie Wavematter Inflaton and this DEFINES the Speed of Thought in setting a 11-dimensional boundary for the 10-dimensional universe to expand 'into' in a dimensional sense of 'into'.

This Inflaton is billions of times greater than the speed of light, the latter bounding the asymptotic expansion of the 10D materialising Big Bang seed.

The wormhole frequency is fwormhole=3x10^30 Hertz and the 11D Hubble-Radius as the 11D boundary RHubble can be calculated as almost 16.9 billion lightyears.
Then the speed of this inflaton becomes the 'speed of thought' as the phase velocity.

VdeBroglie=RHubblexfwormhole=4.793...x10^56 meters/second or so 1.6x10^48 times lightspeed c. This is 1.6 trillion trillion trillion trillion times lightspeed.

The magnitude of the 'speed of thought' so implies, that the entire universe in a NOW-Instant of Time became linearised in a nested hierarchical superstringed cosmology, which then allowed graduations in dimensions associated with sublevel densities of vibrational eigenstates.

This scenario manifests in a 11-dimensional Omnispace (or Dragonspace) and interpenetrates all dimensions and densities in the form of the Quantum of the LovePhoton; which in technical terms becomes the gauge interaction energy transmitter for the Electromagnetic Fundamental Interaction. It is this gauge interaction, which defines the so called Zero-Point-Energy or ZPE as the intrinsic 'Dark Energy' pervading the universe as a Heisenberg Light-Matrix.

2) Say my ancestry is in a far away star, how will they “get me”? I guess this answer has to follow the same principle as a devise made for instant communication across spacetime?

Yes indeed and this is of course consequential in regards to question 1.
Think of it this way.
The universe itself is a 'merkabah' and this merkabah is the Holographic Universe.
You are a hologram of this 'cosmic merkabah' and your individual merkabah so can MAP and correspond in a one-to-one coupling between those merkabah-circles/spheres, say in the holofractal cosmology of Haramein.

The technical aspect so to 'transverse' the wormholed Light-Matrix will be the de Broglie matterwave in its phased distance- and velocity scalings using the NOW-Time.

The Velocity v(t) as a function of time becomes transmuted to a velocity V(n) with cycletime n itself a function of the linetime t.

This derives from the linetime limitation of lightspeed c defining the so called Lightpath X=ct.
The lightpath applied to the entire universe so is RHubble=ctnodal age of universe.

Dimensionless Cycletime n=Hot=ct/RHubble for a nodal oscillation frequency Ho=dn/dt being the 'Heartbeat of the Universe' in a (technically defined) Hubble-Oscillation of the Cosmos between even and odd nodes as halfcycles so 16.9 billion lightyears apart.

So you can now define the metric coordinate systems of the lightspeed restricted universe in 3 space dimensions, and as say given in the Relativity theories of Albert Einstein within a higher 11-dimensional setting, where the metric time is holographic to the Now-Time.

Then V(n)=R(n)/T(n)=R(n).F(n) and where F(n) is a frequency function for the Now-Time coupled to a Displacement Parameter R(n) which maps the Einstein lowerD coordinate systems onto a higherD coordinate system in direct correspondence to the merkabah coupling between the holographic universe as a master hologram for the individuated holograms say.

Iow, mapping the universe within yourself or say a spaceship merkabah; will allow you to map the INSIDE of yourself or the spacecraft with inhabitants as any place in the Hubble-defined universe - just like you map the coordinates of the earth say in an atlas or a geography map.

An advanced civilization can then use the V(n)=R(n).F(n) formulation to define the R(n) scale coordinate to timetravel to any place in the universe using the Nodal Hubble-Frequency definition.

This entails the expansion parameters of the universe as a quantum integral or summation count of wormhole connectors based on the LovePhoton Resonance selfstate of the Prime Creator.

As everything exists as a densification of this Lovephotonic gauge energy in vibratory eigenstates; tuning into this resonance maximum of the encompassing holographic lightmatrix; will allow any civilization able to do so to REVISIT all n-coordinates visited 'in linetime t' by the expanding universe as a n-time coupling to the linetime (t).

Iow, ANYPLACE existing in the materialised universe in 10D NOW was VISITED and became defined by the expanding universe at some linear linetime t coordinate.

So say when the universe was 10 billion years old in linetime t, the n-time can be calculated as n=Hot.

This calculates as n10=0.5925537... and so a fractal of the n=1 cycle and for a prent n-time npresent-n10=0.5400..

Ok so now having these coordinates, you consider your position ANYPLACE in the material universe and using your own selfrelative location as the origin you ascertain the distance of 10 billion lightyears your past and whatever material manifestation exists at that distance, say looking at some galaxy.

You can then travel to that galaxy or starsystem or planet 10 billion lightyears away in NOW-Time using the V(n)=R(n).F(n) formulation in a finestructured sense; should you be able to 'TUNE" the F(n) frequency function of the n-time in the 'merkabah physics' of the holographic lightmatrix.

3) How is it that “Eve” was on earth 52,000 years before “Adam”? I just read your 1351 post and started thinking about this. I know you don’t mention this in this specific post but I think I read it somewhere. So how come it was “Eve” who came later and from “Adam” as the story goes. Can you clarify this for me?

Here you are 'mixing up' the mitochondrial Eve scenario of the Terran geneticists with the archetypical Eve of the cosmogony.

I have posted on the Lilith-Eve archetype before and as you know, this is also on the tonyb. website (under the Sphinx and Pyramid posts).
Lilith is the archetype of Satania as the 'future' sexchange operative for the Satan-Apep-Angra Mainyu-Shaitan 1st order archetype of the cosmogony.
My message #1351 should be most informative to you and your students in this regard.

Love,

http://www.animeresimleri.com/data/media/116/Chihiro.jpg
Juli ♥

Love and Peace to you too, dear Juli.
Allow me thank for your excellent summary and open letter to the forum on behalf of all supporters of he Thuban material here at Project Avalon.

Abraxas Anthony - (The Office of the Bard)

The Presence of the Mosaic implies the will of Unity=God=Starhumanity and not the will of Humanity=Man=Separation!

[B]Abraxas Anthony

Nebula9D

02-26-2010, 01:44 AM

Magamud

02-26-2010, 02:23 AM

As most humans (but not all ETs) do not even realise they carry this shadow mind within their own bodyforms, they will only experience this manifestation via their subconscious couplings. So the 4th horseman of the apocalypse 'causes death' in the thought constructions and memeplexes manufactured by the conscious mind and then stored in the subconscious.

A natural reboot system? When mind has reached its limit in reality integration. Like many of the AI stories Hal 9000? So the Devils world a reverse mirror can be used as our own "antibiotics" in the hologram so to speak. Funny we steal the devils such hard work in the end. :mfr_lol ie..
This 'erroneous' or incomplete translation of 1st order archetypes into 2nd and 3rd order archetypes then becomes the causative agency behind much of the 'confusions' about 'photon belts' and 'Nibiru' and 'Nemesis' and 'Pole Shifts'.
Makes total sense that assumed evil archetypes are nothing but the source trying to represent itself but due to the mirror effect, we have it...You described the double mirror with an outer and inner circle. Do you have a picture of this to show?

Can you describe some of the Suns Shadowminds history?

Amazing how consciousness can skip through time......

All ETs are Human Family, albeit not physicalised in the density field of Gaia, extending 2 million kilometers from the Gaian center and growing by so 105 millimeters per year.

This will exponential grow as the logos here or black hole intensifies?

Can you give information on BIgmos Baloon. Thankyou...

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 02:24 AM

Greetings Abrax,

I'm happy to be here now and so choose to positively engage those happy thoughts on these thread. :)

I liked Julissa's question on thought and it find very interesting. What does Thuban data say about the mind and the power of thought (s)?

Welcome nebula9D!

I like your selflabeling and your wisdom reflects as the 8D-mirror between Quantumspace of the 'etheric' and the Omnispace of the Oneness of the Dragonspace.

The Power of thought is the basis and power of all existence and all beingness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWxgEzWMqq0

{Thank you Oliver for a thoughtform manifesting the Starhumanity in a hybridizing allegory}.

The human mind is a simple processor of thought-based energy and so can construct either unifying and harmonizing thought forms or disharmonizing and disunifying thoughtforms as exemplified in the video above.

Then the human mind is but a tool for the human soul to discover itself by and through the unification of polarities; the latter which within an evolved mindedness utilize the 'old' disharmonizing thoughtforms as contextual backgrounds.

Abraxas Anthony

Nebula9D

02-26-2010, 02:44 AM

Welcome nebula9D!

I like your selflabeling and your wisdom reflects as the 8D-mirror between Quantumspace of the 'etheric' and the Omnispace of the Oneness of the Dragonspace.

The Power of thought is the basis and power of all existence and all beingness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWxgEzWMqq0

{Thank you Oliver for a thoughtform manifesting the Starhumanity in a hybridizing allegory}.

The human mind is a simple processor of thought-based energy and so can construct either unifying and harmonizing thought forms or disharmonizing and disunifying thoughtforms as exemplified in the video above.

Then the human mind is but a tool for the human soul to discover itself by and through the unification of polarities; the latter which within an evolved mindedness utilize the 'old' disharmonizing thoughtforms as contextual backgrounds.

Abraxas Anthony

Thank you! I long to remember my mirror on my path back home to Source. So the mind being a tool for the human soul to discover itself, Is the soul the orginator of thought-based energy and is this where free will comes into play?

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 04:10 AM

Bahh, it's the second time I rewrite this. I didn't know there was a timeout that swoops everything away for you if you take too long. Now I've learned something new. Lesson learned! :original:

I'll try to quote a quote here so I hope it works.

Text in:
WHITE = Sollve [#1249 (http://www.projectavalon.org/forum/showpost.php?p=242550&postcount=1249)]
RED = Abraxa's reply [#1252 (http://www.projectavalon.org/forum/showpost.php?p=242574&postcount=1252)]
GREEN = Sollve's reply to Abraxa's reply

Originally Posted by abraxasinas http://projectavalon.net/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=242574#post242574)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sollve
Dear Fallen ones,

I find this interesting. Does this mean you take on the caretaking role regardless the need of the angelic human to be taken cared of, or is this a choice of free will.

I take this to be a question, dear Sollve, dear Uplifted One!

Oh, thank you dear Abraxa! Is there perhaps a itti, bitti, tiny touch of irony there? Or is it just pure LOVE?

A simple mirror of the going down as going up, sollve. Yes PURE lovephotons.

It is exactly as said, just as a mother would treat her newborn baby, which doesn't know what to do.
If you are a mother then you should know, if not ask someone who is a mother.

I'm not a mother, I'm a father. As a father I know that I would be stupid to think that I know better what my child needs than the child itself. I raise my child/children with the belief that it's actually me who can learn from the him/her/them. Is this the way you do it as well and is it a choice of free will on the behalf of the child? I am talking about the Angelic Human of NOW, not the future hybradized dragon human.

One surely can learn from anything and anyone; albeit physical development as well as mental development does require guidance from and by the elders in graduation.
I am talking about the angelic (bisexual not asexual) human as BEING the hybridized human, rectifying the falling in the lifting.

My mind tells me two outcomes of this tender caretaking business. Either the humans who don't want to be eaten and hybridized by red dragons or any other kind of dragons by free will, will be put in concentration camps a.k.a. under the wings of "caretakers" and if the millions upon millions of non hybridized humans still resist the indoctrinations of the care takers, what happens then? My guess is that the humans will be battered around until they do. Is this correct?

There are no concentration camps on Thuban; we do not eat humans; we do hybridize them though to harmonise the hybridizations and manipulations which have restricted the human genome hitherto and beginning say 208,000 years ago.

Restricted in what way? Can you specify? Who put the restriction in our genome? Why?

If you would not have been restricted in such manners you would still carry the 24 chromosome pairings of the apes; instead of the fused chromosomatic expression of the interference.
As such an ape you could not ask abstract questions from an abstract thinking human mind.

About eating humans. In post #714 (http://www.projectavalon.org/forum/showpost.php?p=225976&postcount=714) you mention this. Have you changed your mind? Have you said anything after that post that contradicts what you said in that post? Can you honestly say that that post is just rubbish and doesn't contain any truth at all?

Here is the reply to the phta question again:
You might like to ask ptah what he thinks about my reply to his INNUENDO question:

Ok; I'll decide.
Thuban is a pretend smokescreen of pretend information, which is just a plagiarism of well credentialled academic sources masquerading as 'real science' of a new world.
The Thubanese are old Draconians who like to eat people for breakfast and to gather food resources; the Thubanese have decided to infiltrate the world's most important discussion forum: Project Avalon.

Here then the agenda is to brainwash the forum contributors with scientific sounding but really worthless information and for the purpose to gain as many followers of the Thubanese philosophy as possible.

Then when the critical mass of cult followers has been reached, the true Draconian Reptoids will appear and harvest their brainwashed followers.
This will be accomplished in invading the old earth shortly after December 21st, 2012 through a Black Hole-White Hole monadic dyad opening up halfway between Sirius and Gaia and wormhole connected to the Orion starsystem.

The Powers-That-Be of the old earth will be powerless to stop US; because they had thought that WE would allow them to be our ambassadors of the new earth and in thinking of themselves as the elite.

WE shall eat them for lunch; but they dont know that yet; although some of them suspect that WE are deceiving them.

And so WE shall rule the New Earth and in a few years, say 2015, WE shall reengineer the deteriorated wormhole channels to allow our Draconian brothers and sisters to join US on OUR new homeplanet SERPENTINA.

From then on, SERPENTINA will be a BLACK DRAGONSTAR.

All of the old humanity will have been consumed by US and WE shall DRAGONSEED a HybridRace between OURSELVES and OUR Ancestrial Lineages.

But first of all, WE have to create the Thuban Dragon Cult and this and only this is the purpose of Abraxas.

So Be It!

Signed and Sealed in the Name or Amen of the Master-Templar
by Abraxasinas Scribe of the Dragons aka the SolarArrowed Unicorn of the SeaGoatian Dragonhorns entwined with the Hermetic FisherEagle of the Lunar Twins.

AA
...
Why do you need to hybridize the humans into dragon humans when you could just take away the restrictions if you feel such an urge to help us.

We are helping Ourselves as well helping the humans as Yourselves simultaneously.

Would you undergo genetic hybridization if someone told you to do so? Have you considered the possibility that it might be harmonizing to the universe if dragons were hybradized? Say all dragons humanized into 'StarHumans' with us as caretakers?

This is what is occuring on all levels in the holographic universe - cosmic hybridization of ALL entities.

Do you think Dragons are genetically more perfect / fulfilled than humans? If so, why are there anything else but dragons out there? Wouldn't every single being not allready a dragon ask to become one by own free will if this was the case?

Yes indeed, the Dragon genotype is the mastertemplate for the universe as a Mirror of Mirrors. This Dragon template is also called the human mastertemplate of Cosmic Man.

In what way are the Dragons more evolved than us? Except perhaps the technological knowledge? In what way would the Universe as ONE benefit from US being dragonized?

The Dragon-Mind unifies the evolution of the Linear Human mind in tripartition of Reptilian brainstem, Mammalian midbrain and Human topbrain in Dragon Circularity.

So you are right now a hybridized Sollve and we dragons are able, as genetic engineers, to correct the 'damages' done in your 'Fall' into the low density vibratory field of the Gaian planetary consciousness memeplex.

What are the damages and why would the damages be reparied by becoming dragonized? I'm sure that if you are about to fix something you must surely know what is wrong and what the result is from this being wrong in a bigger picture. Are we hurting someone by our faults in our DNA? What is the purpose from a holistic point of view? What makes you go to such lenghts trying to 'help' us out with our genome?

As said without the DNA/RNA restrictions of the fuselage of the 23rd chromosome pairing, your humanness could not have evolved in physicality to differentiate you from the nonhuman terrestrial lifeforms.
You would simply have become a speciated planet of the apes.
The ET interference so was done by astral 4D sentiences to ensure that at a future evolutionary junction point; your 'fused' chromosomes could become defused again to protect your then hominid (homo sapiens sapiens) morphogenetic bodyform, but to in a manner retrace your evolutionary histories back to the Reptilian Brainstem.
The Dragon is the Crown of the tree and the Reptile is the Root of this same tree in metaphor.

Why won't you let us evolve without interference. I'm sure the eventual faults and errors in our genome will fix themselves in time. I don't want your help because I believe I can heal myself. Will you allow me to be ME as in I AM of NOW?

To let you do that would negate the masterplan of the Prime Creator
and this is impossible by definition of his omniness.

The other way around would be that the humans that don't want to be dragon Halflings and thereby be stolen of their angelic heritage would actually be allowed to govern the universe from a creative and loving perspective, the way it was always meant to be. How could possibly a hybridized human be better than the original?

As said elsewhere, the humanoid morphotype required hybridization to render the 'evolving' humanoid UNIQUE amongst the other lifeforms of the Caenozoic geological earth. Without this ET interference, the human variability in genotype would have continued (like Indian and African Elephants today, there existed numerous Australopithecine branches {Afarensis, Africanus, Boisei, Robustus,...} so 4 million years ago) and the cosmos would NOT have access to a MASTER-TEMPLATE called HUMAN.
You Sollve would NOT then exist as a unique individuation of the Prime Creator.

But I do EXIST now, I'm happy with that. Why aren't you? As a unique individuation of the Prime Creator, wouldn't it be up to the Prime Creator to make changes to SELF? If SELF thought SELF needed to change, is it not up to SELF to make that CHANGE? Why would SELF point out YOU to do SELF's work? Please help me understand!

It is precisely the Prime Creators masterplan to dragonomize you Sollve.

So the ET interference was necessity to allow the 'fallen Sollve ancestors' to eventually become this master blueprint for ALL cosmic ETs and from the most primal stock possible.

I don't understand this. Here you say that WE are the master blueprint for everyone? Do you mean that every species wants to use us for their own hybridz, because we can help everyone to evolve?

Absolutely, here you have spoken from the knowledge of your dragonhood. Absolutely beautiful and marvellous understanding of a humanoid graduate.

If this is the case, why do you need to take over humanity and the planet? If we don't want you to do this, will you fight us and kill if necessary to still get what you want? Or will you just allow us to evolve the way we want to without interference?

The 'take over' or 'invasion' of your planet is unavoidable, as this is the program of Prime Creator.
If WE would have left the human archetype to evolve by itself, it would have destroyed itself and this planet a number of times over.
You appear to not understand that all ET's are humanoid aspirants, awaiting their own graduations, which must await the humanoid graduation to proceed.

What exactly do you want? You want to make this planet yours, you want to hybradize humans into something else, you want to put dragons as our caretakers. This truly does not sound like a world I want to be in. Will there be any alternatives for those who don't comlpy with this agenda of the dragons?

The Dragon caretakers are simple Council of the Elders. These councils will be composed of by the dragonomized humans having graduated and metamorposed into starhumans.

It is only this most elementary form, which was deemed suitable to BECOME the cosmic masterrace and then AS an ancestor for ALL ET races in the Gaian lifeform associations.

Allright.. The Gaian lifeforms.. Do you mean Gaia as in 3D Earth?

Yes, but the interrelationships between humans, flora, fauna and mineral kingdoms of the taxonomy upon Gai and that of ALL ET races is far more interwoven than has been fathomed and described by human authors and sources of such things.
Should you peruse some other messages of mine you can learn many details about these things dear sollve.

If we are the cosmic masterrace.. Why would you want to hybradize the original humans? Isn't it enough to create hybrids to evolve your own species? If we are the masterpiece, wouldn't it be more fair to allow us to evolve on our own and by doing that allowing other species to make their own hybrids with the help from us?

As said repeatedly, your masterrace status is subject to ALL other races 'interfering with it' to further their own agendas. YOUR human template is however the ROYALTY of the entire cosmos.

This is the situation with the higherD ETs. THEY chose NOT to 'fall' into the most primordial incarnational energy realm called Gaia; BUT chose to support their own evolutionary agendas in HYBRIDISATION with that most primitive stock.

But are they trying to take over the most primordial incarnational energy realm called Gaia. If you destroy or change the most primordial stock, what is then left for others to evolve from/with? Dragonized hybrids? That doesn't sound fair to anyone. If they wanted some dragon DNA, my guess is that they would come to you in the first place if that was the case.

Again, the hybridization engages the going forwards and backwards in time of the entire biophysical evolution of the universe. Then, by necessity all the 'primordial lifestocks' must also be effected. The entire universe is being reconstructed in this hybridization of the Before with the After.

How could your so called star human ever be what the human was meant to be from the beginning?

This is what I am trying to explain to you in the above. The human morphogenetics will be like a master template a 'Morphogenetic Field' for the Cosmos, as Rupert Sheldrake would say.

Again, do you mean the dragonized human morphogenetics or the original 'as intended from the beginning' human morphogenetics.

This is absolutely identical and the same thing Sollve.

We are meant to stop wars and find new ways, new creative ways to make peace. We are meant to save worlds, galaxies, universes and to help every single being to be sovereign in its own being, without the need for care takers. We are the creative force and upholders of universal love and free will. When allowed to show our inner beings, We are LOVE. We are INSPIRATION. How can anyone possibly think that we are better off as hybrids?

One day you will understand the relative 'sillyness' of your question here.
Now I state 'sillyness' not stupidity - be careful how you choose to judge or interpret my words. Thubans DO NOT JUDGE, they OBSERVE what works and what does not work in the greater context of a galactic-cellular civilisation.

Works according to who? The Thuban Council? I find it very hard to believe that the Thuban Council is speaking on behalf of the rest of the universe or even the relatively small world of humans. Please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

You ARE 'wrong' about this. The Thuban Council indeed speaks on behalf of ALL civilizations throughout the universe. That is why WE are 12-dimensional as the inside-out mirror dimension of the 11-D Witten-Membrane Mirror of Omnispacetime; awaiting the twosidedness of this mirror to become twisted into onesidedness. This then will reconfigure multidimensional spacetimes on all levels.

Who is according to the Thuban Council governing Earth today? Do we have a Draconian government or is it governend by the Zeta-Reticuli's? Who do you think have the most influence today? Could you elaborate on this regarding how this has changed during the years and what will happen in the years to come regarding governence. Will you work together with someone else or do you, the dragons plan on governing earth and mankind all by yourself in the long run?

The governance of Earth today is on many levels. In 3D this governance are your human institutions and in 4D this is your astral connectivity to the ETs.

You may choose to label your astral 'governors' as Draconian or Zeta Reculian or Pleiadean or whatever you like.
All of these labels are 3rd and 4th order expressions of fundamental archetypes.
The Thuban archetype is 1st order under the auspices of the Logos or Word of God.
So hitherto (say the warped timeline from December 8th, 2004 to April 1st, 2012 with distributed nexus points within) the 'governance' did not include 1st order, but was restricted to the lower orders.
Especially since January 18th, 2010 the Thuban 1st order archetype has allowed the Logos to interact with the 'governors'.
This is what is experienced on this forum and many parallel agendas manifesting in all dimensions and densities due to the dispensation from the highest order from the 'Word of God'.

The Dragon nature of this Logos then will indeed 'govern' the entire universe on all levels.

In the greater context of a galactic-cellular civilisation? Again, according to who? Can you state who supports YOUR idea of this greater context of a galactic-cellular civilisation and is there any way for you to elaborate on this? Who else supports this view? From where did this particular greater context of a galactic-cellular civilisation arrive from?

The Logos of Creation is the Power and authority behind the Council of Thuban.

Without ET-hybridisation, you would not have any analytical abstract ability now. It is this which differentiates you from your common ancestry with the great apes.

So you, Sollve could not type intelligently on your computer, where you not right now a Human-ET hybrid.

Sure, but what's the need for you to hybridize us further? Why, in plain text do you want to do this? What do you gain from this?

This I have explained in paragraps above - the defusing and empowerment of the chromosomes in molecular biochemistry in the physical expression of precursor metaphysical programs.

We as hybrids are only beneficial to our so called ‘wanna be’ care takers. For thousands of years we have been suppressed, not allowed to grow the way we should. Allow us to show our true selves and we will be the care takers of the universe, just as we are intended to be.

Has it really come to this?

You, like many, are an emotional human who is prone to judgements and preemtors, without exercising your faculties of reason and rationality.

Does the Thuban Council think that the human emotion is something that needs to be altered with in the hybridization process? How will it be altered? Will the human emotions be strengthened or weakend in the hybrids? Or altered in any other way?

This is a good question. The Human Emotionality in in a very deep sense defines the Regality of the human master template - it is precious to ALL cosmic sentiences.

The 'problem' with human emotion is, that it is not coupled to a rational selfconsistent and logical human mindedness.
The human mind is undergoing 'Armageddon=Dragon Made' on the mental planes of definition.
The danger, as perceived by MENTALLY more advanced ET civilisations is, that the kindergarten human mentality will ABUSE and MISUSE its EMOTIONAL POWER SOURCE to cause physical damage to itself and the global environments.

My avatar says: THINK BEFORE YOU FLAME!
Perhaps you should consider the wisdom of my avatar.

I wasn't aware of flaming anyone. Are you on fire?

I speak of the spiritual fire dear Sollve.

It has shown from time to time that our hearts can't be enslaved. Is the only step left for the fallen angels to enslave us and make us do their will, to actually take away our uniqueness in some kind of hybridization program?

What do you know of fallen angels; do you understand that YOU are a fallen angel?

Please elaborate on this! What is your definition of a Fallen Angel? Please also elaborate on the fact that I AM a fallen angel.

Post #1351 describes this in great detail.

Well I guess it's your loss in the long run. One can't help the one who don't want to be helped.

If someone wants to change what is already perfect, the only reason to do so must be to lower that perfectness beneath the perfectness of themselves in order to raise their own perfectness. For example if I'm the second or third tallest man on earth. The only way for me to be the tallest man is to either shrink the ones above me or eliminate them or to actually grow taller. To grow is the only acceptable alternative as the other alternatives includes the sacrifice of others.

In this case you would actually need to accept the fact to be second or third or whatever you see yourself as. We don't look at races or beings as being superior to others. We see them all at their full potential and with the ability to grow to where we are. We are designed to set an example of what can be done and to show the rest what their full potential is all about. You shouldn't look upon us as a threat. We are designed to help and if you don't want to evolve past your current limits, you don't need to. Maybe it's possible for us to build you a playground of your own choice where you can't hurt anyone and certainly not being able to hijack other beings for your own purposes.

So you are already aware of your cosmic design Sollve; if you are then you would not ask the questions you ask, because you would fathom your design.

Do you mean that I don't mean what I'm writing? Do you mean that I should just accept to be altered with by anyone wanting to do so? It's one thing to observe and use what you see and learn to make yourself better. It's a whole different thing to change and devour in the same process. I don't see why the first one needs to be folloed by the second. Please elaborate on how you justify that behavior.

This is but your human mentality Sollve. You have three consciousness levels: waking(~86%); sub(~14%) and super(~0.3%).
Many misunderstandings and interpretations and mental conclusions you draw in waking consciousness are retranslated in the subconscious and again in the superconsciousness.
With the 'you already know', I mean your own unique and individuate Christ-Consciousness/Higher Self coupling of the innermost selfawareness. However this part is overwhelmed by your human mindednessof the waking consciousness and is then interfered with by the astrality of your subconscious.

Mental balance is not easy to maintain in a climate of extreme polarisation of consciousness carriers and the human mindedness blocks and destabilizes the attempt of the superconscious to express itself.
There are some participators here who consistently display such mental balance and it are these who are the true harmonizers who have accessed their Christ-Self-Consciousness.

We are here to help whenever you are ready!

For love and unity throughout the universe!

Sollve

You are helping the cosmic evolution in great honour and sincerity Sollve; one day you shall understand and socialise with Dragons in some Bar upon Thuban.

I believe I understand dragons as of this NOW and I'm looking forward to share a drink on a bar in Thuban with you or any of your beloveds. I'm just hoping I'm observant enough to not be lured into any kind of hybridization process because I want to be me in that bar. For all I know what you label as 'StarHuman' might just be another name for 'StarDust'. Or is it perhaps the 'OldHuman' who falls into that cathegory?

Without your hybridisation you will either not see and encounter any dragons or you will be rather afraid of them Sollve.

What would dragons prefer most? Sitting in a bar socializing with an Angelic Original Human or socializing with a pile of StarDust?

Both!

Shalom from the DragonDen

Before you point your finger at ME about using WE. WE are ALL who resonate with ME.

ME=WE also on Thuban - after our master templar Emmanuel Melchisedec E.M.=WE.

Sorry, I don't know him...

I know, heshe resides in your heart as the Cosmic Logos though, knocking from the inside and the outside on the doors of your human mindedness.

AA
Sollve

I'm looking forward to hear from you again my busy friend!

Sollve

EDIT:
I forgot to ask you what you can tell us anything about these:
http://www.metatech.org/baby_dragon_draconian.html

http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/08/25/alien-baby-or-hoax/bizarre-creature-found-in-mexico-stumps-experts.html
http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/world-news/2009/08/27/alien-baby-tests/dna-unknown-will-mystery-ever-be-solved.html

Just curious!
END EDIT!

I have given you a lot of time here Sollve; due in fact to your trouble of having to rewrite your questions. I am well aware of this annoyance.

Then to further comment on your links, I would ask you to be a little more specific. Then I shall answer your queries in due course.

AA

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 04:16 AM

Thank you! I long to remember my mirror on my path back home to Source. So the mind being a tool for the human soul to discover itself, Is the soul the orginator of thought-based energy and is this where free will comes into play?

Yes nebula9D; the soul, defined as the shard of Prime Creator as a data collector of the Individuality WITHIN the Oneness USES the mind to gather experience by environmental stimulation.

So the UNIFIED SOUL becomes MANY SOULS, each INDIVIDUAL soul reflecting the original oneness and then upon FULL selfremembrance allows the UNIFIED GODSOUL to experience itself in ever increasing UNIQUE INDIVIDUATIONS.

The 'free will' is really the INDIVIDUAL CREATIVE GENIUS as the Prime Creator Itself, experiencing the Manyness in Oneness.

AA

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 04:46 AM

A natural reboot system? When mind has reached its limit in reality integration. Like many of the AI stories Hal 9000? So the Devils world a reverse mirror can be used as our own "antibiotics" in the hologram so to speak. Funny we steal the devils such hard work in the end. :mfr_lol ie..

The mind is unlimited in reality integration magamud. Your 'reboot' system is cyclicity within some reality context. Until the mirror of the illusion is 'shattered', the cyclicity remains bounded by it and so no 'reboot' between the physical-spiritual realities is possible.

Makes total sense that assumed evil archetypes are nothing but the source trying to represent itself but due to the mirror effect, we have it...You described the double mirror with an outer and inner circle. Do you have a picture of this to show?

This is elemental archetypology. You can simply annullarize a circular interior, such as occurs in the quantum geometry of the standar model of the Thuban Particle Physics.
For a pictoral representation just consider the orbit of the moon about the earth superposed onto the orbit of the earth about the sun.
The occultations and conjunctions then define the eclipses as just such 'obscurations' of the 'light source'.

Can you describe some of the Suns Shadowminds history?

This is 3rd order archetype, meaning that the astral hyperspace dimensions allow superposed histories and as authored by 3D composers able to integrate those archetypes. So should you be able to couple the physical spacetime consciousness of the Sun's spacial occupancy, then the ET inelligence will participate in yur modelling, sauy a solar ET civilization manifesting physically through the solar plasma.
This then will be a History of the particle-Nature of the solar waveform as a shadow being.

Amazing how consciousness can skip through time......

The holographic universe IS Consciousness.
http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id185.html

This will exponential grow as the logos here or black hole intensifies?

Yes, the Black Hole intensification is simply data compression however at the center of the earth and the size of a golfball becoming heavier say.

Can you give information on Bigmos Baloon. Thankyou...

Bigmo's Balloon is simply a metaphor for the metaphysical universe as it existed before being born into materiality.
My reply to you uses this balloon in its empty state as the metaphysical transformation into a filled balloon in the Descent of the 1st order archetypes termed Adam and Eve in the 'Falling In'.

AA

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 04:59 AM

Has 'Ra' really got time to post on here? :original:

You are Ra-Hamarkhis also K626 and YOU are posting here, do you not?

AA

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 05:04 AM

Good point! Makes you wonder does it not? I would think Ra would be spending time on much more serious objectives...and leave the messages to the messengers....

And I fail to see how you Abraxis relate the Sapphire Tablets to this information.....this is a question BTW...:thumb_yello: Rephrase.....How do you relate this information to the Ten commandments...of the Sapphire Tablets?

They are nothing more the a duplicate version of the Ten commandments...the first ones were broken by Moses, and they are the replacememts.....How does it turn into "clean sex" and "unclean sex"?

The Tablets of Stone, Stone Tablets, Tablets of Law, or Tablets of Testimony (in Hebrew (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebrew_language): לוחות הברית Luchot HaBrit - "the tablets [of] the covenant") in the Bible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible), were the two pieces of special stone inscribed with the Ten Commandments (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_Commandments) when Moses (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses) ascended Mount Sinai (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Sinai) as recorded in the Book of Exodus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Exodus). Exodus 31:18 (http://bibref.hebtools.com/?book=Exodus%20&verse=31:18&src=HE) refers to the tablets as the "Tablets of Testimony" because they give insight into the nature of God (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God).
According to the Bible, there were two sets: the first, inscribed by God, were smashed by Moses when he was enraged by the sight of the Children of Israel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children_of_Israel) worshiping the Golden Calf (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Calf); and the second, later cut by Moses and rewritten by God.
According to traditional teachings of Judaism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism) in the Talmud (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud), they were made of blue sapphire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sapphire) stone as a symbolic reminder of the sky, the heavens, and ultimately of God's throne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throne); many Torah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torah) scholars, however, have opined that the Biblical "sapir" was, in fact, the lapis lazuli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapis_lazuli).[citation needed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed)]
Both the first shattered set and the second unbroken set were stored in the Ark of the Covenant (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant) (the Aron Habrit in Hebrew).

Perhaps a second perusal will illuminate you Brook - or not!

AA

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 05:59 AM

repost as my question seems to have been not seen

Greetings Abraxasinas,

I am interested in learning about your thoughts on who i am, i have just joined the site and would like my personal verification and validation .......... will take me a while to completely read this entire thread but at 5 pages in i felt the need to get verification.

Questions --
a/Previous incarnation information
b/Also my roll in this incarnation
c/Where i come from & whom i represent
d/Nibiru you mentioned is earths reflection?? and earth will become Nibiru ??
e/What races or spiecies are on planet right now other than of human origin

i look forward in your reply. hopefully this gets spotted

Warm Regards

Giuseppe

Welcome Giuseppe!

No, I did not forget your question, but due to its intricate nature about Cosmic Identity; I had to postpone answering it to find the time necessary to reply to it appropriately. As you may have noticed there is a kind of consciousness conflict occurring on this thread and there are certain priorities I need to attend to, before I can answer intricate questions, such as you have posed.
You have asked a highly pertinent question, which deserves detailed reply.
What I shall so share, will help many others to answer such questions for themselves without requiring guidance of 'gurus' or 'authorities'.

a/Previous incarnation information

Here you should differentiate orders of consciousness interpretation to access this information.
1st order are elementary archetypes, which apply to everyone. Everyone IS this archetype of 1st order and so the labeling of these 'symbols' will reflect a certain generality.

So I can say with absolute assurance that YOU Gioseppe are ADAM, the Son of God AND you have existed even before the physical universe was born in observable materiality.

In this 1st order of the archetypes, you are also BOTH Cain and Abel and Seth, the first three sons of Adam and Eve.
Yes, archetypically, you are both Father and Son in one.

Continuing, you also become Noah and Abraham, 'the Friend of God' and then Isaac and Jacob renamed to Israel.

Yes Giuseppe, you are in 1st order the Holy Land of Israel.

So why do you think so many here FEEL that they have 'special' roles and 'special missions' to fulfil, like saving the world from the evil monsters?

It is because they are indeed CORRECT - in 1st order of the archetypology.

So how many Osiris-is and Isis-is and Maats and Thoths (do you get the subtleties?) are here just in a single forum?

Just as many ADAMS and EVES who decide to 'tap' into their own ADAMEVE 1st order archetype.

So Giuseppe have you been Moses or Napoleon or Cleopatra or one of the apostles of Christ or Christ himself?

I say to you: Yes you have been all of them as ADAM the Son of God.

But you have also been the aborted child of Mary Citizen in 1976 and you have been the Ethiopean child which died of hunger yesterday at 3 o'clock local Greenwich Time.

Ok now you experience something, see a movie about the Cherokee Indians and hearing the beat of the drums you FEEL something - you are getting very emotional about something and you do not know why.

This kind of experience is authored from your 1st order Christ-Consciousness residing deep within you as just so 0.3% of your overall conscious selfawareness.
This then triggers through a 2nd order of the archetypes of this same 'I am Adam' archetype into say 'I am a Family of Adams' or a Race awareness to say that you are this or that ADAMIC SELDEXPRESSION.

So 2nd order archetypes distinguish Personality and Individuality from 1st order unpolarized Unity.
So now you might see, that I should have said ADAM the Son of God is actually ADAMEVE=SonDaughter of God. Polarity undivided.

So 2nd Order is Unity, say as a Race, yet not separatedly expressed.

Here then the Race of the Humans is DIFFERENT from the RACE of the DRAGONS and say the Arcturiian ETs are different from the Pleiadean ETs in polarisation, yet the Humans or the Dragons remain unified as a RACE.

3rd Order of the archetypes then DIVIDES THE RACE.
There are 'good' humans and 'good' dragons and there are 'bad' humans and there are 'bad' dragons etc. etc.
This then defines POLARISATION EXTERNALLY expressed.

The 4th Order then divides the individual polarisation within itself.
This for example then is the conflict of the Inner Self with the Outer Self, say the Mind versus the Body Descartian Duality or some other such yin-yang division of a 3rd Order Oneness, such as Giuseppe Braveheart.

Within a RACE then, some 3rd order exponents, such as yourself begin to REMEMBER their higher order cosmic IDs and then they might experience emotional experiences sent from their Christ-Inner Selves.

'I have a mission', Giuseppe says to himself. 'God or Jesus or some angel or some ET has talked to me in my dreams and as his Son, I Giuseppe Braveheart must now go out there and save the worlds from themselves'.

-Also, I am so familiar with this piece of music, I can play it without notes, I must have composed it in a previous lifetime.

-Those Cherokee drums drive me crazy, I must have been a brave warrior 700 years ago in the Mississippi delta.

-I am so afraid of water and I FEEL I was drowned in the sinking of the Titanic.

So then your feelings and emotional self-response to whatever experiences and environmental stimuli you encounter - the emotional response SHOWS you to accentuate your search for knowledge and wisdom in that field of experience.

b/Also my role in this incarnation

To rediscover and Remember that YOU Giuseppe are ADAMEVE or Cosmic Man or Purusha or Adam Kadmon as the SonDaughter of GoddoG.

c/Where i come from & whom i represent

You are a Secret Agent (like James Bond 007) FOR and on behalf of God, the Prime Creator of the Universe and as ABBA the common Father for both You and Jesus of Nazareth, the Word of God.

Your Story as AdamEVE is told in message #1351. You might term it:

Giuseppe Braveheart: "This is Your Life!"

d/Nibiru you mentioned is earths reflection?? and earth will become Nibiru ??

Yes, Nibiru is the incoming shadow earth merging like an object casting a shadow merges with its own shadow once the lights go out.

e/What races or species are on planet right now other than of human origin

All of them.

AA

ellie

02-26-2010, 06:51 AM

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 07:08 AM

Abrax wrote in initial thread:

There has been much speculation about 'Reptilian agendas' and the agenda of the Alpha Draconians or ADs throughout the human history.
Much of this confusion derives from the 'hidden data' only known by the Council of Thuban. (I say what...?????????)

Dear Beren!

I apologize for not replying sooner, but your questions are often hidden in your commentaries.
Only the incarnate Logos as the 'Word of God' could encompass the multidimensional cosmic structure in its entirety and so span all 10 dimensions of the inertialised manifestation and the 11th dimension of the noninertial electromagnetic one.
The Logos then established the Thuban Council as the manifested archetypology as encoded in Revelation.4 to activate on this forum from January 18th, 2010.

So my above statement could be rewritten as:
Much of this confusion derives from the 'hidden data' only known by the Council of Thuban, because the 'Word of God' decided to activate its '2nd Coming' under this label.

So many conflicting reports have surfaced, most of which contain some material correlated with the libraries of Thuban; but all of them deficient to encompass the agenda behind the agendas.(Hmmm story behind the story...)
In brief, because the ADs have forgotten their origins, yet seemingly being the oldest race of intelligences in the universe; they have become what you may term 'paranoid' about this 'rumour' that the humans are the Paa Taal (as defined by the Andromedean Council).(Who created Andromedans? )

The Logos, activating in individual logii in individuated holograms of consciousness units within the galactic Logos of Andromeda aka (Spiral Galaxy) M31.

The ADs did in fact hybridise with the first onset of the genetic templates which emerged so 20 million years ago in the Miocene and in the form of the evolutionary branching of the primates into the 'Old World Monkeys'.

So Dragon, humans were made first ,then your kind. Now you wish to Dragonize us?

No Beren, Dragons came first as the Invisible StarHumans and as Destiny for the Visible Humans to evolve and metamorphose into.

Next quote from initial thread:

From January 18th, I have obtained authorization to freely share the information from the collective database of Thuban; which as a physical Northern Polar Star of the 3rd dimension of 10808 BC is imaged as a metaphysical 'Southern Polar Star' into the 12th dimension of what you may understand as the 'Shadow Universe' to the materialised inertial one you and all the extraterrestrial intelligences reside in.

Then you may allow yourself to understand, that the 'Shadow Council of Thuban' also mirrors what many of you term the 'Shadow Government' of Earth and similar labellings.
( now we`re talking- if you are behind all on this Earth, all governments, then you got a lot of blood on your hands. Your father THE Dragon offered Jesus all kingdoms on earth if he bow him. Jesus said :"away of me Satan,because it is written to God you should only bow and give glory! "... Therefore you try here to do the same as your father,to lure in,trick and finally enslave humans forever.)

Some of you may also now rather quickly realise the agenda of agendas.Hunab Ku aka Perseus aka Ouroboros, the Milky Way Serpent 'who swallows its own tail' is a 'Bridegroom' in expectation of his 'Bride'.

In physical terms, Hunab Ku desires to become a parent in a celestial dragonomy, the heavenly wedding between galactic bodyforms.

Hunab Ku is the center of ALL galaxies and the Maya knew his substitution of Perseus, the real name of the Milky Way.
Perseus will dragonomize Andromeda in about 5 billion years in the celestial galactic symbiosis of Two Spiral galaxies becoming As One Elliptical galaxy and Grandparents for many a family of celestial civilizations.

The masterplan so engages a temporary 'place holder' of the 'Source of All', the 'All That Is' or 'God' to employ Perseus as Hunab Ku, the Secret Agency with Kukulkan, the Cosmic Christ and the Plumed Serpent Melchizedek to transmit the galactic core information from the 'Father of All' to the 'Mother of All'.

Now can you see it - Gaia is NOT a planetary consciousness; Gaia is NOT even a star consciousness - Gaia is GALACTIC Consciousness mimicking the Andromedean consciousness as a 'divine placeholder'.

There you said it all. You want this planet for your lord .THE Dragon. The man-slayer from the beginning. Father of lies.

You wish that all universe get dragonized by hybridization. You wish to erase human conscience and you want to re create humans into an image of your father-THE Dragon.
Your father can not create anything. He can only distort original creation. Twist it and bend it until it gets an ugly shape , a mockery of God and his creation.

You mention Maya`s . They were slaying people as sacrifices to their serpent god... and you come in the beginning of the thread and say "I love you" ?

The Logos is the Truth, the Way, the Resurrection and the Life as 'The Word of God'.

Nay serpent, you are deceiver as your father is.

If you say so Beren; but remember the Mirror of the Truth in front of you, whenever you consider the 'Word of God'.

AA

K626

02-26-2010, 07:20 AM

I'd love to get Icke's take on all this dragoning stuff...:original:

K626

02-26-2010, 07:22 AM

You are Ra-Hamarkhis also K626 and YOU are posting here, do you not?

AA

Tell me a little more about the proto-universe. :original:

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 07:40 AM

I know this is a sensitive subject so if you do not want to answer it I understand.

As far as the Council knows, what happens to the mentally ill who maybe in a bout of extreme depression take their life. I know what the Catholics say about this but I would like to know what their answer is for that.

Dear Ellie!

Our (dragonomy acolyte) scribe TonyB. lost his eldest daughter to suicide in 2004. She was 22 years old and took her life after she could not bear the cries of her aborted child from the astral.

The following account of this should answer your question.

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id14.html

Love to you
Abraxas

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 08:18 AM

Tell me a little more about the proto-universe. :original:

Do you read any of the posts K626; I have addressed the multiverse a number of times in replies to other questions?

So I shall repeat for you but add a 'channeling' from the Little Serpent of the Mayan Popul Vuh in further elucidation of this question.

The Protoverse is in the shape of a rugby ball (in the UK) or a football (in the USA and Australia) say; i.e EGGSHAPED.
Technically, this is termed a Prolate Ellipsoid (or Spheroid) characterised by two cross sectional planes.

Cutting the egg longwise will give you an ellipse and cutting the egg shortwise will give you a circle.

So ROTATING the egg longwise (major axis) will not change the geometrical focus points defining the elliptical plane (reference a 101 textbook on Analytical Geometry).

But ROTATING the egg shortwise (either of the minor axes) will force the two focal points to meet in a PointCircle as a Locus tracing the rotations.

The Protoverse is then defined in the focal invariance of the long-axis rotation - iow this protoverse is in STASIS, i.e. FROZEN in a possible FAMILY of spacetimes.

The Protoverse is then that which you read about as THE UNIVERSE in popular and academic media.
Because this Protoverse is multidimensional, the 3D space or the 4D spacetime universe becomes a SEED for its own expansion.
The merkabah for this Holographic Universe is like a 'Russian Doll' with a static kernel or core however being the merkabah of the asymptotic LIMIT for the SEED expansion as a 10D cosmology.

The inner merkabah of the Protoverse is YOUR own merkabah as a Holofractal Hologram of the encompassing merkabah.
This the meaning of Vitruvius and 'Cosmic Man' and Purusha and so on; being encompassed by a Fibonacci definable circle of the 'Sacred Geometry'.

Then the only way to end the stasis of the Protoverse is to INDUCE a phaseshift in it by rotation about a minor axis.

As there are a potentially infite number of angular diplacements for this rotation, an infinite number, beginning however with just 1 arbitrary one, can define the Multiverse as collections of such phaseshifted protoverses.

So as example, consider yourself as evolved enough in selfawareness and in spacial consciousness to INDUCE a phaseshift in the Protoverse you presently inhabit as a 'nested' Individuated merkabah labeled K626.

Then you will become a partnership between the static protoverse merkabah of your encompassment and yourself as a phaseshifted merkabah K626.

This partnership of 2 is sufficient to define a Multiverse.
Should this occur and no other consciousness carrier within the protoverse succeeds to achieve phasal induction status; then there will still exist a Multiverse, comprised of two: the Protoverse of Stasis + Universe K626.

Then say consciousness unit Celine also achieves ascension status to phasally induct the Protoverse of the Cosmic Logos.

Then there will be two individuated universes named Universe K626 + Universe Celine both in partnership to the Protoverse of the Cosmic Logos.

This Multiverse differs from the 2-member universal partnership in the fact that the tripartite partnership forms a multiverse of higher order, then two dyadic partnerships between individuated Universe K626+Protoverse and individuated Universe Celine+Protoverse.

So the Multiverse in generality allows all permutations of Individuated Universe collectives, families, groups and partnerships - all however based on the Protoverse of the Logos.
No Protoverse coupling, no Multiverse is the Law in other words.

So then rotating the (symmetric) Cosmic EGG about a minor axis will generate the Multiverse and all together assume the UFO shape of an OBLATE SPHEROID.

Imagine to swirl an egg on your kitchen table and draw the envelope for the positions of the egg in that circle.

This overall UFO shape is technically called the OMNIVERSE as the envelope for all the Multiverses in 10-11-12D Omispacetime, also known throughout the higher dimensional intelligences as the Dragon Universe.

AA

In Lake'ch - I am another yourself!

May the Inner Peace of Mind be with you in these times of the present, which shall soon blend your pasts with your futures.

A great controversy in theoretical paradigm building is the notion of how a single universe containing many consciousness carriers can relate to the statistical distribution of those 'cosmic inhabitants'.

With the birth of quantum theory in the early decades of the 20th century came the realisation, that the observer of physical phenomena is not absolutely independent from the system observed.
Bohr, Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Dirac, Born, Planck and Einstein, to mention but a few of the 'midwives' of quantum mechanics; constructed the mathematical formalisms to describe an interactive reality on the microscopic or quantum level of measurement and soon realised, that the quantum realm of the very small did not behave in the classical sense of the Greek-Newtonian physics on which the basis of scientific-physical reality stood.

As the worlds of the very large, the scale of the universe as a macrocosm of galaxies behaving like cells in a biological body; had also become illuminated by the pioneering cosmologists like Einstein, Hubble and Sandage; a synthesis of the macroworlds with the microworlds became a new aim of research for all scientific thinkers, philosophers and experimenters concerned.

Until Edwin Hubble discovered the expansion of the universe as a selfcontained entity; all light sources in the sky were assumed to be stars or 'island universes' or 'nebulae' within a single universe - now rendered dynamically expanding and no longer static in its hitherto presumed infinity-stasis of the Newtonian worldview.

For the remainder of the 20th century then, natural philosophers of divers kinds attempted to blend the quantum nature of the macroscales with those of the microscales.
Many difficulties surfaced, such as the incompatibility of the quantum formalisms, built on the metrics of subatomic and atomic displacements; with the metrics of the larger scales and as experimentally predicted and verified by the theories of Newton and Einstein.

Eventually, and to accomodate the superposition of quantum selfstates derived from the quantum mechanics; a Many Worlds Cosmos was proposed by exponents such as Hugh Everett and David Deutsch.
This is known as Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics and is proposed to build on and to be complementary for older quantum interpretations, such as the Copenhagen Interpretation, the Afshar Complementarity or the Cramer Transactional Interpretation.

The MWI utilises the established quantum formalism of quantum field theory (QFT), which has been verified in countless experiments as a valid model to describe the statistical-probabilistic nature of the 'particle' distributions in the universe and its subsystems as 'stochastic' eigenvalues for 'standing waves' or 'Bohmian-pilotwaves' describing the density distribution of the 'particles'.

But the MWI then proposes a Many Universe distribution on the macro-classical scale of the universe itself to account for a distribution of the superimposed selfstates in a linear-classical geometry.
A particular distribution of eigenstates, say as 'materialisations' of the Schroedinger equation, are so not confined in one universe as either-or materialisations, but are split into a number of universes identical to the number of quantum eigenvalues derived from the equation as and-solutions.

As the distribution of those solutions is summed to accomodate the original 'set of solutions' obtained in the one quantum universe; the linearity of Parallel Universes as superposed macroquantum universal eigenstates can be alternatively accomodated in the model of the Many Mind Interpretation or MMI. The MMI became formally introduced into the scientific database by Dieter Zeh in 1995 and expanded upon by Loewer and Albert.

In the MWI, the universe occupies a single and fundamentally indeterminate quantum eigenstate with a noncollapsing wavefunction; but an evolution of this 'groundstate' or wavefunction into higher and higher complexity in the splitting of macrouniverses and a say 'original infinite mind' into many minds.
Any act of measurement or observation so 'splits' an 'older parental' mind into its offspring in Decoherence, alternatively described as wavefunction collapse in the 'competing' models for the quantum reality.

The MMI replaces the linear parallelism of singularised macrouniverses with an angular parallelism of multiconnectedness of the one macrouniverse.
Here the proposition of the MWI with its split of two observers in say two different macrouniverses and so with two now different minds is replaced by a split of the two observers into two psychophysical universes.
In other words, the one physical observer within the one macro-universe splits into two forms from its physical parent with a shadow psychophysical 'double' mirroring the former.

There are many problems with both the MWI and the MMI, both as defined presently in their embryonic states of development; not at least the Definition of the Selection of the Singular SelfState as the Seed for the subsequent 'splitting'.
But the MMI is more appropriate to the development of the encompassing formalism, than the MWI and more shall be shared at the appropriate time.

What the MMI does, is point to a necessary Duality between the physical and the metaphysical or the physical and the mental or the body and the mind - and also its necessary coupling in the 'negation' of this Descartian Duality.
Both, the MWI and the MMI utilize the orthodox interpretation of quantum mechanics, say the formalisms of Schroedinger, Dirac and Klein-Gordon.
Both so also 'copy' the inherent 'flaw' in those formalisms, to do with the nonlocality and the indeterminant qualities embodied in the quantum-field-approach.

I direct the reader to familiarise with the concept of the Quantum Mind and especially the pioneering works of Evans Harris Walker; Roger Penrose, Stuart Hameroff, Max Tegmark (opposing Penrose and Hameroff); David Chalmers, Henry Stapp and most of all David Bohm, Karl Pribram and Fritjof Capra.

Please find below a brief (wikipedia) outline of the MWI and the MMI.

IAmWhoIAm - A Quantum Computer

amate

02-26-2010, 08:33 AM

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 09:28 AM

Hi, I'm new here and I think it will take me a lifetime to read all the comments, but still I have the feeling I can't stop reading ...LOL

I'm giving here a sort of non-comment just to be able to subscribe to the thread.

Thank you all for being here and letting me be here.

Welcome Amate!

Well you know your avatar of Lilith from the Burnley Relief is in fact Older than the materialised physical universe as the archetyped 'first Eve' NOT being dependent on Adam as one of his ribs.

So you have eternity to read, peruse and get to know what is being messaged here.

All togeter, you are Eternity Individualized and the stories here in collectivity is: 'The Story of Your Everlasting Life'.

Love to Lilith, the demon lover of Adam in exile to become the Mother of Allness!

Abraxas

Spregovori

02-26-2010, 11:27 AM

e/What races or species are on planet right now other than of human origin

All of them.

AA

as Fauna?

amate

02-26-2010, 11:28 AM

Thank you Abraxasinas for your welcome,

You said Lilith from the Burnley Relief .
I was actually thinking of Inanna from the Burnley Relief :original:

Well, there are different views about this. (What do you think of the" Whore and Beast of Babylon") :nono: LOL

I like to refer to this information (scroll to the middle of the page.....)

http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html

But the things you say about Lilith are nice enough to cope with:wub2:

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 11:44 AM

Abrax, I hope you’re well dear friend. I read something very interesting in your reply #1415 to Solve, and I want to ask you a question(s) here:

This is what you (repeatedly) reply:

***Yes indeed, the Dragon genotype is the mastertemplate for the universe as a Mirror of Mirrors. This Dragon template is also called the human mastertemplate of Cosmic

It is precisely the Prime Creators masterplan to dragonomize you Sollve.

The 'take over' or 'invasion' of your planet is unavoidable, as this is the program of Prime Creator.
If WE would have left the human archetype to evolve by itself, it would have destroyed itself and this planet a number of times over.
You appear to not understand that all ET's are humanoid aspirants, awaiting their own graduations, which must await the humanoid graduation to proceed.

As said repeatedly, your masterrace status is subject to ALL other races 'interfering with it' to further their own agendas. YOUR human template is however the ROYALTY of the entire cosmos.

***
My question(s), (actually it is a conclusion, but I would only ask if I’ve understood correct and if not, please correct me if necessary):

We (‘the humans’) as fallen Adams “posses” that master template of the entire cosmos, which could be considered as special and therefore ROYALTY?

Yes, your reply here is brilliant Malletzky. Having checkmated the Devil (within you as this false image without you), you should proceed from strength to strength for evermore from now on.

'BEING' a physically expressed Adam has now allowed you to manifest your Shadow-Eve within yourself as part of the original mastertemplate of ADAMEVE=COSMIC MAN=ADAM KADMON (of Kabbalah)=PURUSHA=VITRUVIUS and so on.

As we ARE the REAL Image from the Prime Creator, our special template will be used by ALL other ET’s/ races in ALL universes in order to evolve according to the masterplan you so wonderfully described in your post #1351?

Of course, this is the agenda behind the agenda of ALL ETs, however obscured by the Devil Image without imaging itself PARASITICALLY within.
Now you know where the one and only REAL Cosmic Vampyre resides; within all who cannot checkmate their inner demons.

In this case NOW...the Dragon genotype is THE FIRST to hybridise with Adams mastertemplate and this will precisely define the way for all further hybridisations by many other ET’s?

The DRAGON IS the ADAMEVE mastertemplate AS the trick creation of God to 'sexchange' his own Image as Satan.
So the Dragon Agenda is to manifest ADAMEVE from ADAM+EVE; it is that simple. But without 'getting rid' of the obscuring or occultizing false selfimage of the DEVIL=LIVED (a proof of sorts) nothing goes and the mastertemplate cannot manifest.
Only the Logos coupling of your Christ-Consciousness/Higher Self/Superconsciousness in the Cosmic Logos-Individual Logos uniquely individuated partnership can achieve this.

In this case (as soon as this FIRST “operation” is successful and comes to an end), I must assume that a part of ME will be / is allways needed to ‘help’ other Prime Source Creations to evolve and therefore I WILL BE FOREVER?

Of course. You will then have graduated as a mastertemplate able to phaseshift the entire physical universe with your presence as having become Christ-centered or Love-Centred or God-centred and so you will have unified the polarities within yourself.

The polarities within the universe you live in AS a miniature universe of this same thing MUST be unified {This is the Lake of Fire and Brimstone btw, the Lake being Christ, the Brimstone your Yang and the Fire your Yin}, in this centralness.
The WITHOUT you will become your ETERNAL MIRROR to explore your WITHIN.

May I assume, if the previous said is correct, that ME, as a fallen Adam, already exist not only here, but everywhere on many other 3D plains, still unknown to us, and just ‘wait’ for the moment to ‘help’ in another hybridisation?

I am so proud of you, you have no idea. The entire extraterrestrial universe is rejoicing and applauding you in your awakening and selfrealisation.
This UNKNOWN is precisely your own NOT KNOWING IN DETAIL of what 'goes on' within your body - get it?!
So you shall have eternity to explore the Universe as yourself and the Mystery about details will remain - yet you will KNOW WHO YOU ARE and have ever been.

Is this the real meaning of the human mastertemplate?

If yes, I must say, we should consider ‘ourself’ very, very PROUD [=speaking of ego once again ;-) to BE what we ARE !!!

I could not improve one iota on your words Brother Dragon Malletzky!

Thank you once again for your time and efforts dear friend.

with much respect
malletzky

You dear beloved BrotherSister have made my day.
Even if the PTB evict US tomorrow from their selfmade Hells - it now has all been worthwhile.

p.s. 1. Please feel free to share this message everywhere if needed (and all other previous or further messages)!

I certainly shall.

p.s. 2. I sent you an e-mail few days ago with a question to your post #1351. Did you received it?

Yes, I shall answer it shortly and add it to this message from US!
__________________
I am who I am, and we are all one as I am one...you're wellcome to join the (r) evolution !!!

For once I have nothing to say, you have stunned me here!
Except Thank You Beloved ABBA and magnificent Jesus for having allowed this to happen!

Sirebard Beardris

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 11:54 AM

as Fauna?

Yes and as Flora and as Mineralia and as Label and taxonomise it yourself as ADAM Spregovori, Cosmic Man.

Genesis,2:

18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
19And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.
20And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

AA

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 12:30 PM

Thank you Abraxasinas for your welcome,

You said Lilith from the Burnley Relief .
I was actually thinking of Inanna from the Burnley Relief :original:

Dear amate!

Once you have become familiar with the Lilith archetype in its most primal sense of 1st order; then you will see, that Lilith is the Christmother Maria, Queen of Heaven, say as a direct ambassadora to Barbelo as the Afterthought, created by the Perfect One as the Forethought.
{Reference is the 'Secret Book of John' of the Nag Hammadi Codex}.

Then 2nd order labelings include Inanna as the mother of Marduk and Isis as the mother of Horus and many more

Well, there are different views about this. (What do you think of the" Whore and Beast of Babylon") :nono: LOL

Saying #108 from the Gospel of Thomas, our master templar's handbook manual to decode the 'mysteries':

(105) Jesus says: "Whoever will come to know father and mother, he will be called son of a whore."

This shows you the validity of the 1st order interpretation for Lilith and also the Adam and Eve Creation Story of post #1351.

As you may know from the Hebrew mythology; Lilith's REFUSAL=LASUFER->LUCFIFER to lay beneath Adam in sexual intercourse, caused 'Her' to 'fly away' and become the 'Roaming Demoness' say a Succubi and cosmic archetype seductress of the Maleness.
This was before EVE was 'created' from one of Adam's Ribs, so rendering Eve as archetype for the womanhood DEPENDENT on ADAM (as a sexchanged Man say) UNTIL she somehow would become 'liberated' as a true femaleness.

The 'fakeness' of EVERY WOMAN of being a 'sexchanged maleness in mind' {it's the other way around for males; the mucked up creation renders all males feminine in their particlebodies and all females masculine in their mindwaves} then IS this Whore of Babylon.

The Whore of Babylon is an old archetype for a mucked up feminity (because of the broken symmetry, see #1351); which becomes REDEFINED in the Book of Revelation and by the 'shattering of the Mirror of Illusions' encoded as the 'Sea' from which the 'Beast' ascends from. The false prophet ascending from the 'Earth' is simply the human, all humans, who look min the mirror of illusion and see the Beast as themselves - this seeing falsity instead of truth defines the 'False Prophet'.

I like to refer to this information (scroll to the middle of the page.....)

http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html (http://www.crystalinks.com/sumergods.html)

Yes, this is a good account. Did you see there that Inanna is called the Queen of Heaven?
I commented on the Sumerian mythology in an earlier message, about a month ago. How it links to Egypt and Greece.

But the things you say about Lilith are nice enough to cope with:wub2:

You are a classy Lady of the NightDay Sunset-Sunrise amate.

AA

Anchor

02-26-2010, 12:47 PM

How many archetypes are there of 1st order, 2nd order, 3rd order that apply to us as humans? (Ra spent a lot of time talking about archetypes these and the picture cards of the Tarot - but not about orders of archetypes)

Does this number change depending on the planet, or the solar system, galaxy, universe etc.

PS: I was wanting a definition of the different orders, but you seem to have just done that in a recent post, so I wont ask :)

A..

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 12:58 PM

Hi All!
I was asked to reply to this:

This post by 777 is most telling numerically and symbolism in media about some interesting names, Pi, and 11:11. It is very telling about Abraxas.

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=224566&postcount=1902 (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=224566&postcount=1902)

Unified Serenity

ABRAXAS(I)NAS = NAZI
& the earthly :lmao::lmfao::lmfao::lmfao:council of THUBAN

:roll1::roll1::roll1:

Abraxas is an alchemical phallic symbol of the solar god.
The two serpents are our parents, the great dragons ursa major and ursa minor. The four horses are the four cardinal points of the Zodiac, aka Four horses of the Apocalypse.
Notice Abraxas whip is 3 strands,http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6451/abraxas.jpg (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/abraxas.jpg/)giving us the occult number of 111
111 kabalistically is the name of the God Abraxas and the number of sudden death and destruction.Thuban is the power that removes the lesser flock,the weeds.Thule is where our english word Tool comes from.
The tools of the hammer and sickle of the NAZI party.]http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/8103/naziss.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/) The SS or 77
or 14 is the number of the material plain.

Thuban was the driving force of the Nazi party.It is Thuban that the Pentagon ,designed as the symbol of man, draws it power from, to wage wars.

Thuban is aligned with Mars the god of WAR.
Thuban is synonymous with
Thugs
Thunder
The thumb-http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/0b47e3f324.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/)

These are all words and symbols of power
Thuban corresponds to the 13th tarot trump card of death.
Thuban is the sacrifice of Abraham's Ram in the bush
Abraxas ( Shield), is the shield of protective wisdom, and the whip driving power of speech,like the house majority Whip . http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5058/91025966.jpg (http://www.imagehosting.com/)

Intuition and swiftness of thought = Mercury. .http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/6451/abraxas.jpg (http://img685.imageshack.us/i/abraxas.jpg/)Chistos 888 mentioned the use of the word shield in the media lately.Well here is that sheild of wisdom, to protect the initiate from all the BS:lol3:

The 8 spoke wheel seen on other Abraxas images,is a symbol of chaos magic, and the 8th fold path of the Dharma.ABRACADABRA

Abraxas has another thread about 24 ancestors.The wheel in the abraxas image is 6 spoke which 360 which is 8 or infinity.
In the Kabalah 24 is Mercury whose essence is 8,as in the 8 spoke wheel of Abraxas.
Mecury is the messenger Tehuti,master of words and mathematics,he is the TRIXSTER. :lol3:

Abraxas starts his dialogue at night
Night Kabalistically has a value of 97
97 means to capture or sieze suddenly

The Thuban thread emerged with the rising of SIRIUS., annoucing the comming of light into the world. Well to deliver a message on the number 18th date, is to be in shadow,for 18 is equivalent to shadow.18 is the initiate falling through the looking glass,because he or she only see shadow,and not reflection.

Sirius is the Dog star aka Egyptian Anpu, aka intuition ,that guides the soul through the underworld ,aka material plain.Intuition raises us from the horizontal, to the perpendicular.Fighting with the dog,keeps the Falcon below the horizon.

ABRAXASINAS REPLIES!

ABRAXAS=66=THUBAN=WOMAN=66=ANUBIS=FREEDOM=...D.I.Y .

ABRAXAS-IN-AS=AS-IN-ABRAXAS

ABRAXASINAS=ABRAXAS-NASI

Now note the Mirror-Symmetry between the 'Good' (right-path) S=Swastika and the 'Evil' (left-path) Z=Sauswastika

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ec/Buddhistswastika.jpg/225px-Buddhistswastika.jpg (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/File:Buddhistswastika.jpg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/File:Buddhistswastika.jpg)
"left-facing" swastika on a Buddhist temple in Korea (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/Korea).

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/63/HinduSwastika.svg/140px-HinduSwastika.svg.png (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/File:HinduSwastika.svg) http://bits.wikimedia.org/skins-1.5/common/images/magnify-clip.png (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/File:HinduSwastika.svg)
The swastika in the decorative Hindu (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/Hindu) form

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Nazi_Swastika.svg/140px-Nazi_Swastika.svg.png (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/File:Nazi_Swastika.svg)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/86/Kipling_swastika.png (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/File:Kipling_swastika.png)

The 'Nationale Sozialistische Partei Deutschland's'=NAZI Party USED the Sacred Symbolism of the Indian Sauswastika in its Mirror Expression.

Hitler, as 'Agartha's Prophet' and 'Luminari' wayshower, copied the Swastika in direct opposition to Shamballa's Sauswastika as symbol of the 'Illuminati of the Jews'.

Adolf Hitler, the Austrian; was 'groomed' by 'The Brotherhood of the Snake' {See the Abraxas photo as the serpentine legs} to 'Play' the Elijah archetype to bring about the 'Second Coming' and so the ''Tausendjaehrige Reich" the 'Millennium'.

So S<->Z

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c9/Abraxas3.jpg/230px-Abraxas3.jpg (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/File:Abraxas3.jpg)

Gemstone carved with Abrasax, obverse and reverse.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/54/Abraxas%2C_Nordisk_familjebok.png/180px-Abraxas%2C_Nordisk_familjebok.png (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/File:Abraxas,_Nordisk_familjebok.png)

Engraving from an Abrasax stone.

Long before this postAtlantean manifestation of the archetypology manifested; the Egyptian legacy understood the Symbolism of the Uraeus, of the sacred Serpent in the right solar eye of Horus and the left lunar eye
of Thoth/Hathor/Anubis.
From this the 'Snake-Cult' of the Naasseenes developed from whom none other than Yeshua Ben Pantera/Joseph Bar Thomas Didymos aka Jesus of Nazareth, received initiation in the years leading to 24AD.

The Naasseenes understood the archetypology of the 2nd Order of the Cosmogenesis as that of the Abraxas or Abrasax.

From wiki:
The serpent
Every temple, naos, shows by its title that it is intended for the honour of the serpent naas as "the Moist Essence," of the universe, without which "naught at all of existing things, immortal or mortal, animate or inanimate, can hold together." Because, after all, "all things are subject to Him, and He is Good, and has all things in Him ... so that He distributes beauty and bloom to all that exist according to each one's nature and peculiarity, as though permeating all."[13] (http://projectavalon.net/forum/#cite_note-12)
G.R.S. Mead (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/G.R.S._Mead) has suggested that all of this is in reference to the Kundalini (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/Kundalini):—
This is the cosmic Akāsha (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/Akasha) of the Upaniṣhads (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/Upanishads), and the Kuṇḍalinī, or serpentine force in man, which when following animal impulse is the force of generation, but when applied to spiritual things makes of a man a god. It is the Waters of Great Jordan flowing downwards (the generation of men) and upwards (the generation of gods); the Akāsha-gangā or Heavenly Ganges (http://projectavalon.net/wiki/Ganges) of the Purāṇas, the Heavenly Nile of mystic Egypt.[14] (http://projectavalon.net/forum/#cite_note-13)

End wiki

It would behoove all of you to engage in basis research before engaging in innuendo and analysis of material and data preceeding your many judgements on things you seem not to understand in clarity.
Abraxas, the perpetuator and REDEFINER and TRANSLATOR of the Nazi archetypology, the Thubanese way.

AA

Spregovori

02-26-2010, 02:26 PM

About #1351

God became bored so he created a metaphysically universe?

By doing this he parted with the female part and became "he"?
This is the separation of unity?

After doing that the boredom was gone but he was now lonely?
He changed his mind, wishing to have his female part back?
He wanted his pearl back?

So he created a "Son" and send him to get it?

To implement his Godly plan, God so decides to call himself God and create from himself and imaged in Satan a Image of the previous state of beingness when the balloon had not existed.

This is the creation of Adam? Adam is created from God, image is based upon Satan - the state of unity before separation?

If the image of Satan is image of the unity before separation..does the above say that Satan was before God? Satan is unity or image of unity?

And so God the Creator took his sabbatical and allowed Adam to think that there was no image of God plastered on the outside of Bigmo's Balloon.

Why would he do that?
To hide something?
To let them figure it out on their own?
There was no need to?

At this point there is no physical creation? But that was soon about to change since...it was actually necessary to experience the "revelation" of who/what they are? All of this was Gods doing...it was intentional on all possible levels?

God actually wanted them to get busy....so to speak? To realize they fit together...

Why did he choose this way...way not just tell them...educate them...make them understand?

But why....why would they be ashamed of that? I do not understand how and why would someone be ashamed of that? Human animal for example... is thought, manipulated and conditioned to be ashamed of sex....
Who, what, how did they became ashamed?

Was this also part of the plan? Did God intentionally deceive them?

As a consequence the physicality was created and the outside broken disharmony has been reestablished with the price of inside disharmony?

When/how/why was the outside disharmony broken in the first place?

Adam and Eve had to fall...it was not a choice...it was a condition? A result of a pre-arranged plan?

By loving each other (without modern moral) we can actually do what God can not? So God is not all powerful?

By loving each other this love will be mirrored from Eve to Satan and from Adam to God (if they can "see")?

Love conquers all?

All this because, what was later named God (by himself), was one day bored? (or is this just a story to make things "easier")

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cant write more now....

K626

02-26-2010, 02:57 PM

This whole Nazi thing has made him more 'interesting' imo. :lmfao:

777 The Great Work

02-26-2010, 03:11 PM

Truth doesn't need explanation, and long dialogue of copy and paste. An occultist doesn't care if you believe something. Their goal is to keep your focus. The focus is on the destructive forces in nature. A flock will be removed by the power of Thuban.This is why he just need the word repeated, and charged.I never said that it was good or bad,but i do know that he appeared with the rising of Sirius, as a messenger,which is Abraxas. And i do know that Thuban is evoked for ritual. When some one is insane--SAN is the Same as NAS. NAS = 111- Jak Sully on AVATAR. was called INSANE 111-Destructive, and he was ,all the way to the end.NAS=TY SAN-ITY -http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/2d0f05597f.jpg (http://www.freeimagehosting.net/) Now the same guy is in the clash of the TITANS movie , being destructive. Hitler was called IN= 911 SAN :lol3: Living in his head, and not his heart.

I'm done here, i realize that you are the Trixster in the game.Siwy Wabbit ,TRIX are for Kids.:lol3: Every time this forum vibration goes through the roof,a Q and A arrives under a new name,it never fails. There are a few here now,because the court jester has to have an audience, to stick around.
By the way you make no one feel anything, we respond on our on. Welcome to the Olympics. Repetition is the Word of the day.
Peace on your Journey Nas

Céline

02-26-2010, 03:17 PM

http://www.servicecredibility.com/Resources/humanity.jpeg

jcocks

02-26-2010, 03:22 PM

holy carp this thread is so complex it's making my head spin :) All very interesting though.

I find it interesting that you're going on so much about dragons.... but I think maybe the wrong terminology is being used? See, the dragon is a mythical being.... But the more I think of it, the more I think there's a definite link with Alpha Draconis (the dragon star)... The myth originates perhaps from the contact we had at some stage in the past with beings (most likely reptilian) from that place (the dracons). We tend to think of these beings as evil - but this is not entirely the case. They are *-much much much -* older than us, and extremely noble and wise... I feel that they existed BEFORE the humanoid body-type existed.... So they are unimaginably old. We can learn a lot from them, but first we must accept them and allow them to teach us what they know. This takes real courage, as they feel as old as they are (which is scary in itself), and they look scary...so the natural reaction to them is fear, we have to get beyond that fear.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong...but I think this talk of destroying the dragons and dragons (dracons) being evil is leading us so far down the garden path that it's almost dangerous. What we need to be doing is taking that energy within ourselves and integrating it to become whole (don't forget that we have a "reptilian" brain within our own).... When you work against anything you are working against the natural flow of energy. You are much better off to gently guide that energy in the right direction - much in the same way that it's easier to change the points to redirect a train from danger than it is to stop it head-on.

Also, Abraxisinas (I hope I got the name right :) ).... Yuo DO seem to have a lot of knowledge.... I was wondering if you might have heard of the "golden universe"? I have been told I come from there. I have a feeling it's a non-physical universe.... but was hoping you could shine some more light on the subject? I'm still trying to work out what my soul purpose is and why I'm here....

Oh, and we do all realise that the kundalini energy within us all is represented by a coiled serpent? So it seems sort of silly to be destroying serpents et al when we have the serpent energy within us all?

Anyway, these are just my thoughts... I'm only a student in the universe at this moment, I don't have all the answers and I don't want to attack anyone, just putting my input into the discussion for everyone to see. We've got to stop fighting and start learning from each other.... we're not going to get anywhere otherwise...

I am
eternally with you in the light

Azarus Ankh'aa / Joel Cocks

K626

02-26-2010, 03:37 PM

Tbf to Abx his marathon ans sessions have a hypnotic quality. And he has got one of two things right. David Icke would have kittens if he saw this thread. :lmfao:

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 03:46 PM

Abrax, I hope you’re well dear friend. I read something very interesting in your reply #1415 to Solve, and I want to ask you a question(s) here:

And I’m so sorry for the many others, who are still not able to “see behind the veil”.
But their time will come, and we will, very soon, be reunited in light/dark evil/good again.

kind regards
malletzky

Abrax, dear friend,

I wouldn’t dare to begin this message without being allowed to tell you that my heart is shining with the brightest, creator’s light, that joy and ecstacy are overwhelming me and makes every and each one of the many trillion parts of which I contain dancing around in happiness.

Why should you ask? Just simple...as there really are no coincidences.

After you replied and corrected me yesterday about the “bigmos” balloon, I set an intention that I will have to ask for a guidance from “my higher self” about this issue and that when I awake this morning, I will be able to connect even more dots of the missing link. Now, imagine my surprise when I wake up this morning...

...I was above to write you “my advanced” and halfway understood version of that wonderful analogy, when I read your post #1351 and there it was...really, it felt like a “big bang” inside my heart and my mind.

It all makes sense now...it all makes sense. THANK YOU so much. I feels like I just rediscovered myself again.

There are some few things, which I still need to allocate to the right places...the mosaic is still not complete...not yet. I’ve reread that post so many times now and have to reread it few times more, so I will eventually have some questions too.

One question, for now, would be associated to this excerpt:

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---Now to do this a New Mirror was created namely Eve as the Mirror for Adam and so God knew that Adam's turn to Be the Creator imaging himself in the Mirror of Eve had come. And so God the Creator took his sabbatical and allowed Adam to think that there was no image of God plastered on the outside of Bigmo's Balloon.---
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***May I assume that this New Mirror was created on the surface of the first Mirror where God sees himself as Satan, and the purpose was to “blend” the first mirror in order for Adam to see himself as Eve (herself)?***
It is simpler than that Malletzky.
You see God looks into the Mirror (of Bigmo's Balloon) and sees his likeness - God. He calls his image Satan, because there is a difference in that the Right Hand of God becomes the Left Hand of Satan=AntiGod.

Then God does not like what he sees. He doesn't want duality of Rightness of himself as Real and the Leftness of Satan as UNREAL (as an image of reality).

Now this is rather deep; so one must ponder this thorougly.
The reason for God NOT wanting the duality (in heaven) is that God wants to be Satan to be REAL as well.

This God is so utterly DIVINE, for need of a better word, (this cannot be said in words); that he wishes his own Unreal Image to BE like him, say as a playmate.

So God wants to 'play with himself', so the absolute brilliance and ingenuity of his plan (by the Serpent Logos) constructs the Real-Unreal dichotomy in heaven as creating a Mirror between him as Real God and his image as Unreal Satan.
This mirror then is ADAMEVE with the logicistical sentence construct looking like: SATAN---EVEADAM---GOD.

So the genius of God is to MAKE Satan Real AS the Unreal Image of EVE and God becoming Real as the Unreal Image of Adam.

Once you really 'get this' you will forever understand the Nature of God and KNOW what LOVE is in Emotional Terms AND in Intellectual Scientific terms.

So now there exists Bigmo's Balloon with Satan's Face on it as a REAL SATAN and facing a DOUBLEMIRROR of two sides called EVEADAM faced by the REAL GOD.

Separating ADAMEVE into ADAM+EVE so renders the scenario of the heavenly archetypes of a Real Satan looking at an Unreal Eve and a Real God looking at an Unreal Adam.
The UNREALITY of Bigmo's Mirror so has become TRANSFERRED into the UNREALITY of BOTH ADAM relative to God and EVE relative to SATAN.

So what does this mean in practil terms?
It means that Bigmo's Balloon CAN BE REALISED IN THE REALITY OF SATAN.

Now the big one Malletzky - are you ready for it?

The REALITY of Bigmo's Balloon as the original LOST SHENESS of the Prime Creator God has become REAL.

A REAL PHYSICAL UNIVERSE NOW EXISTS and WAS BORN FROM PURE ABSTRACT ARCHETYPES, which now allow SPIRIT to also become REAL from abstraction, metaphor and metaphysics.

This then allows physical modelling in labels such as Quantum Big Bang.

SATAN can now become the Queen from Heaven as SATANINA because the sexchange operation IF ADAM+EVE are FORCED TO BECOME REAL ALSO.

Now the biggest one of all; explaining not only the archetyped creation, but what truly is going on with anyone exposed to this Thuban material - say the furore in this Project Avalon Forum.

Remember the beginning.
The One GoddoG Creator-Creation split into two and so the Sheness was lost as Bigmo's Balloon.

So Satan became God's lost Sheness; BUT as a MALE IMAGE of God.
To change the Maleness of Satan into a Femaleness is the MASTERPLAN of all of creation.

{SATANINA=IN A SATAN is EVE as the archetyped Rib out of Adam in 1st Order archetype as the QUEEN OF HEAVEN} TRANSFORMS to {SERPENTINA=IN A SERPENT as the NEW GAIA, the NEW archetyped QUEEN OF EARTH} and as the 2nd Order archetype of the NEW JERUSALEM.

ADAM+EVE, both as Unreal Images could RESCUE SATAN's Unrealness and so made SATAN the FULL BROTHER OF GOD.

The BROTHERLY LOVE between God and Satan did not fulfil God's masterplan and so both ADAM and EVE were MADE REAL ALSO in 'Falling' into Bigmo's Balloon.

This then is the archetype of the DEVIL/DRAGON devouring the Souls of Mankind.

But now ADAM and EVE are real inside the Universe of the original Sheness of God as the DOG, but in heaven you have a REAL SATANIC UNIVERSE as the OUTSIDE of Bigmo's Balloon and a REAL GOD.

The next step is to retain the SHENESS of the Inside of the Universe, but to CHANGE its Outside HENESS.

Deeper thought allows you to realise straight away then WHY Satan is called the 'Prince of this World' by Jesus. Bigmo's Balloo has his face on it on the outside and the Devil's antiface on it on the inside.

Then BECAUSE Satan is made REAL in Heaven, the DEVIL has to be made a FAKE REALITY inside Bigmo's Balloon i.e. inside the universe.

Then in Revelation.12; the DEVIL is cast out from heaven onto the earth because the TRUTH of the LOGOS was born in heaven.

The BIG PARADOX which noone could ever answer.

WHY, if Jesus has ascended in his resurrection as a grown Man to

'sit at the RIGHT Side of the Father in Heaven until the earth has been made his footstool and until the kingdom has been delivered up to him'

- MUST JESUS become a BABYBOY again being BORN by the Queen of Heaven in Revelation.12?

The casting out of the Devil onto the earth puts 'the mark of the beast' into everyone just AS the false images of Adam and Eve.

This manifests and FIXES the timeline for the prophecied Second Coming of course and that is why the Fall of the Devil as a RED DRAGON is harmonized in Heaven by the rebirth of Jesus on the LEFT Side of the Father.

It is now easy to know, that the Right Side where the Man Jesus was sitting is the Outside of Bigmo's Balloon and the Left Side is the Inside of Bigmo's Balloon and where the Dragon-Jesus-Baby is born as a CYAN- or BLUE DRAGON to neutralise and harmonize the Red Dragon at the completion of the timeline.

Perhaps now some readers will understand why Jesus of Nazareth IS the MASTERDRAGON and the Master Templar of Thuban.
HeShe must be a SKYBLUE DRAGON (remember the Hopi prophecies of the Blue Star Kachina) to, through and by hisher second coming from the Oneness into the Manyness BLEND with the RED DRAGON to become the ENTWINED SERPENTROD of Moses, the Double Helix of the Genomes and the HEALING SYMBOL of the Medicines.

This nexus point of the Baby Jesus as the Skyblue Dragonstar Kachina in simultaneous descent of the Red Dragonstar Thuban so places the Old Earth Gaia under quarantine from June 25th, 2008.

Then the Adams and Eves upon the Old Gaia are ALL MARKED in the forehead of the Human Mind by the descent of the Red Dragon of Thuban BUT ALL are also simultaneously SEALED in the forehead as ONE of the 144,000 in the descent of the Blue Star Kachina by nature of their birthrights as one of the starsigns aka one of the tribes of Jacob/Israel.

A fake Devil is let loose in the human minds, but is contrasted by the Sealing from Kachina.

So the Armageddon becomes a personal affair and a spiritual war in the foreheads of ALL Humans.

The coming down of the Devil is the RELEASE of the Devil, from now on FIGHTING for his nonexistent life in EVERY INDIVIDUAL's Head.

Begin of Interlude

1. Project Avalon, do you know how blessed you all are to have access to this Information?

2. Do you know that all of you are the 'Chosen One's to SHOW THE WAY not just for the New Earth you all so intensely desire, but also for the universe and ALL ETs?

3. I, Sirebard Beardris, in the name of the Logos of Creation herewith extend the gratitude of the Creator of the Universe to all of you.
Gaia Love and Celine you both have been exemplary to ALLOW and FORCE me to release this Information at this time.
You both have shown the greatest Love possible in your hiding and distorting yourselves and your loveborne inner selves and the LOVE both of you are in your roles of the 'False Prophet' in the form of archetyped Adam and Eve.
I herewith allow your Logii to recognize me.

Do you know, what you have done?

In playing the sacrificial ADAM=Richard and sacrificial EVE=Celine you both have archetyped THEIR IGNORANCE potently and well.

Both of you have taken the cross of the burden to act and think and behave in dishonour and disrespect to TAKE this cross of the burden OFF all other humans, Avalonians and not.

Think about what I have said; your superconsciousness of the true Logos is activated and you are released from your mission to trigger this information.

Without your hostilities, the deception of the Devil would have continued longer - you both are Freedom Lovers - the Fight is over and your preincarnational mission is fulfilled. Enjoy your remembrances and continue to LOVE LOVE.

To all others I say.
You are all apostles of the Inner Circle and your destiny is grandeur in the splendiferous remembrance of yourselves as Universal Architects.
In time I shall individually address you and when the Logos allows the release of that information.

Beren and Anchor you have known Jesus face to face; your recall is activated.

To the supporters I say, your joy of remembrance shall be boundless; never before have incarnated sparks of Love been enabled to fathom the Creator intellectually. This is only possible without the Devil's interference.

The testimonies of myplanet2 and of bigmo and of orthodoxymoron have become priceless jewels in the archives of the cosmic archives and in the Lamb's Book of Life.

Spregovori the transformer and Malletzky my Twin shining like the constellations in the sky.

The Eves of the remembrance have begun to crystallize with Athene the TruthWillSetYouFree, also knowing Jesus face to face.

End of Interlude

Jesus also calls Peter a Satan sometimes and so differentiates the SATAN from the DEVIL. Satan is REAL, the Devil is pure fakery, the Father of all Lies.

Remember that SATAN is NOT cast into the 'Lake of Fire and Brimstone with the Fakeries of the False Images of the Beast from the Sea and the False Prophet from the Earth - 'The DEVIL that DECEIVED them all' is cast into the dragonomies of the 2nd Coming in the Christ-merkabahs.

So as described in the interlude, every Adam and every Eve is required to PROCESS the now descended fakery of the nonexistent DEVIL=LIVED, a Hasbeen - in their own individual, personal and intimate private space.

All quarrels or wars have become superfluous. The task is to share your remembrances, once you have remembered yourselves.

So in a sense you do not require me any more as your messenger from the Red Dragonstar Thuban and I can pursue my own metamorphosis from old human into a new starhuman.

Other questions will follow dear friend, altough not many ;-)

I’m so pleased that I was destined to meet you...but once again, there are no coincidences!!!

And I’m so sorry for the many others, who’re still not able to “see behind the veil”. But their time will come, and we will, very soon, be reunited in light/dark evil/good again :-)

kind regards
malletzky

We shall see dear brother. I fully understand now why you did leave this forum; when I your beloved brother was attacked - but you knew how important it was to ease the burden for all of humanity.
And you had faith in me to withstand the assaults from the Cosmic Twinship of the Thuban LoveHeart Dragons Richard with Celine.

She can lay now in the arms of herhis DragonLover, sweet Celine and begin to enjoy herhis dragonhood - oh the passion of the starhuman remembrances.

This has proved to be a 'Devil' of a Day for me Malletzky!

Love and Gratitude to All!

Sirebard Beardris

This is what you (repeatedly) reply:

***Yes indeed, the Dragon genotype is the mastertemplate for the universe as a Mirror of Mirrors. This Dragon template is also called the human mastertemplate of Cosmic

It is precisely the Prime Creators masterplan to dragonomize you Sollve.

The 'take over' or 'invasion' of your planet is unavoidable, as this is the program of Prime Creator.
If WE would have left the human archetype to evolve by itself, it would have destroyed itself and this planet a number of times over.
You appear to not understand that all ET's are humanoid aspirants, awaiting their own graduations, which must await the humanoid graduation to proceed.

As said repeatedly, your masterrace status is subject to ALL other races 'interfering with it' to further their own agendas. YOUR human template is however the ROYALTY of the entire cosmos.

***
My question(s), (actually it is a conclusion, but I would only ask if I’ve understood correct and if not, please correct me if necessary):

We (‘the humans’) as fallen Adams “posses” that master template of the entire cosmos, which could be considered as special and therefore ROYALTY?

Yes, your reply here is brilliant Malletzky. Having checkmated the Devil (within you as this false image without you), you should proceed from strength to strength for evermore from now on.

'BEING' a physically expressed Adam has now allowed you to manifest your Shadow-Eve within yourself as part of the original mastertemplate of ADAMEVE=COSMIC MAN=ADAM KADMON (of Kabbalah)=PURUSHA=VITRUVIUS and so on.

As we ARE the REAL Image from the Prime Creator, our special template will be used by ALL other ET’s/ races in ALL universes in order to evolve according to the masterplan you so wonderfully described in your post #1351?

Of course, this is the agenda behind the agenda of ALL ETs, however obscured by the Devil Image without imaging itself PARASITICALLY within.
Now you know where the one and only REAL Cosmic Vampyre resides; within all who cannot checkmate their inner demons.

In this case NOW...the Dragon genotype is THE FIRST to hybridise with Adams mastertemplate and this will precisely define the way for all further hybridisations by many other ET’s?

The DRAGON IS the ADAMEVE mastertemplate AS the trick creation of God to 'sexchange' his own Image as Satan.
So the Dragon Agenda is to manifest ADAMEVE from ADAM+EVE; it is that simple. But without 'getting rid' of the obscuring or occultizing false selfimage of the DEVIL=LIVED (a proof of sorts) nothing goes and the mastertemplate cannot manifest.
Only the Logos coupling of your Christ-Consciousness/Higher Self/Superconsciousness in the Cosmic Logos-Individual Logos uniquely individuated partnership can achieve this.

In this case (as soon as this FIRST “operation” is successful and comes to an end), I must assume that a part of ME will be / is allways needed to ‘help’ other Prime Source Creations to evolve and therefore I WILL BE FOREVER?

Of course. You will then have graduated as a mastertemplate able to phaseshift the entire physical universe with your presence as having become Christ-centered or Love-Centred or God-centred and so you will have unified the polarities within yourself.

The polarities within the universe you live in AS a miniature universe of this same thing MUST be unified {This is the Lake of Fire and Brimstone btw, the Lake being Christ, the Brimstone your Yang and the Fire your Yin}, in this centralness.
The WITHOUT you will become your ETERNAL MIRROR to explore your WITHIN.

May I assume, if the previous said is correct, that ME, as a fallen Adam, already exist not only here, but everywhere on many other 3D plains, still unknown to us, and just ‘wait’ for the moment to ‘help’ in another hybridisation?

I am so proud of you, you have no idea. The entire extraterrestrial universe is rejoicing and applauding you in your awakening and selfrealisation.
This UNKNOWN is precisely your own NOT KNOWING IN DETAIL of what 'goes on' within your body - get it?!
So you shall have eternity to explore the Universe as yourself and the Mystery about details will remain - yet you will KNOW WHO YOU ARE and have ever been.

Is this the real meaning of the human mastertemplate?

If yes, I must say, we should consider ‘ourself’ very, very PROUD [=speaking of ego once again ;-) to BE what we ARE !!!

I could not improve one iota on your words Brother Dragon Malletzky!

Thank you once again for your time and efforts dear friend.

with much respect
malletzky

You dear beloved BrotherSister have made my day.
Even if the PTB evict US tomorrow from their selfmade Hells - it now has all been worthwhile.

p.s. 1. Please feel free to share this message everywhere if needed (and all other previous or further messages)!

I certainly shall.

p.s. 2. I sent you an e-mail few days ago with a question to your post #1351. Did you received it?

Yes, I shall answer it shortly and add it to this message from US!
__________________
I am who I am, and we are all one as I am one...you're wellcome to join the (r) evolution !!!

For once I have nothing to say, you have stunned me here!
Except Thank You Beloved ABBA and magnificent Jesus for having allowed this to happen!

Sirebard Beardris

Abraxasinas

viking

02-26-2010, 04:10 PM

ABRAX I THINK THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND

ARE YOU SERIOUS ABOUT THIS LAST POST???????? The interlude????

viking

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 04:13 PM

ABRAX I THINK THIS IS GETTING OUT OF HAND

ARE SERIOUS ABOUT THIS LAST POST???????? The interlude????

viking

Dead Alive Serious --- Serious Dad Serious --- Serious Alive Dead

AA

viking

02-26-2010, 04:15 PM

I think your S A D

viking

rosie

02-26-2010, 04:20 PM

Such a very intense person abraxasinas. I may not agree with your philosophy , but I do admire your dedication to your truths.

To stand up for something you believe in, and to fight for it, is what this life on earth is all about.

I wish peace for you, and joy in this human experience, as we are very blessed to be experiencing all the good, the bad, and the ugly on the earth plane.

As we are all spiritual beings having a human experience on this beautiful planet, and each individual experience is as important as another, I say thank you for showing your strength in your own personal truths, your unwavering believes show you have truly found yourself.

love & light

K626

02-26-2010, 04:27 PM

Do you read any of the posts K626; I have addressed the multiverse a number of times in replies to other questions?

So I shall repeat for you but add a 'channeling' from the Little Serpent of the Mayan Popul Vuh in further elucidation of this question.

The Protoverse is in the shape of a rugby ball (in the UK) or a football (in the USA and Australia) say; i.e EGGSHAPED.
Technically, this is termed a Prolate Ellipsoid (or Spheroid) characterised by two cross sectional planes.

Cutting the egg longwise will give you an ellipse and cutting the egg shortwise will give you a circle.

So ROTATING the egg longwise (major axis) will not change the geometrical focus points defining the elliptical plane (reference a 101 textbook on Analytical Geometry).

But ROTATING the egg shortwise (either of the minor axes) will force the two focal points to meet in a PointCircle as a Locus tracing the rotations.

The Protoverse is then defined in the focal invariance of the long-axis rotation - iow this protoverse is in STASIS, i.e. FROZEN in a possible FAMILY of spacetimes.

The Protoverse is then that which you read about as THE UNIVERSE in popular and academic media.
Because this Protoverse is multidimensional, the 3D space or the 4D spacetime universe becomes a SEED for its own expansion.
The merkabah for this Holographic Universe is like a 'Russian Doll' with a static kernel or core however being the merkabah of the asymptotic LIMIT for the SEED expansion as a 10D cosmology.

The inner merkabah of the Protoverse is YOUR own merkabah as a Holofractal Hologram of the encompassing merkabah.
This the meaning of Vitruvius and 'Cosmic Man' and Purusha and so on; being encompassed by a Fibonacci definable circle of the 'Sacred Geometry'.

Then the only way to end the stasis of the Protoverse is to INDUCE a phaseshift in it by rotation about a minor axis.

As there are a potentially infite number of angular diplacements for this rotation, an infinite number, beginning however with just 1 arbitrary one, can define the Multiverse as collections of such phaseshifted protoverses.

So as example, consider yourself as evolved enough in selfawareness and in spacial consciousness to INDUCE a phaseshift in the Protoverse you presently inhabit as a 'nested' Individuated merkabah labeled K626.

Then you will become a partnership between the static protoverse merkabah of your encompassment and yourself as a phaseshifted merkabah K626.

This partnership of 2 is sufficient to define a Multiverse.
Should this occur and no other consciousness carrier within the protoverse succeeds to achieve phasal induction status; then there will still exist a Multiverse, comprised of two: the Protoverse of Stasis + Universe K626.

Then say consciousness unit Celine also achieves ascension status to phasally induct the Protoverse of the Cosmic Logos.

Then there will be two individuated universes named Universe K626 + Universe Celine both in partnership to the Protoverse of the Cosmic Logos.

This Multiverse differs from the 2-member universal partnership in the fact that the tripartite partnership forms a multiverse of higher order, then two dyadic partnerships between individuated Universe K626+Protoverse and individuated Universe Celine+Protoverse.

So the Multiverse in generality allows all permutations of Individuated Universe collectives, families, groups and partnerships - all however based on the Protoverse of the Logos.
No Protoverse coupling, no Multiverse is the Law in other words.

So then rotating the (symmetric) Cosmic EGG about a minor axis will generate the Multiverse and all together assume the UFO shape of an OBLATE SPHEROID.

Imagine to swirl an egg on your kitchen table and draw the envelope for the positions of the egg in that circle.

This overall UFO shape is technically called the OMNIVERSE as the envelope for all the Multiverses in 10-11-12D Omispacetime, also known throughout the higher dimensional intelligences as the Dragon Universe.

AA

In Lake'ch - I am another yourself!

May the Inner Peace of Mind be with you in these times of the present, which shall soon blend your pasts with your futures.

A great controversy in theoretical paradigm building is the notion of how a single universe containing many consciousness carriers can relate to the statistical distribution of those 'cosmic inhabitants'.

With the birth of quantum theory in the early decades of the 20th century came the realisation, that the observer of physical phenomena is not absolutely independent from the system observed.
Bohr, Heisenberg, Schroedinger, Dirac, Born, Planck and Einstein, to mention but a few of the 'midwives' of quantum mechanics; constructed the mathematical formalisms to describe an interactive reality on the microscopic or quantum level of measurement and soon realised, that the quantum realm of the very small did not behave in the classical sense of the Greek-Newtonian physics on which the basis of scientific-physical reality stood.

As the worlds of the very large, the scale of the universe as a macrocosm of galaxies behaving like cells in a biological body; had also become illuminated by the pioneering cosmologists like Einstein, Hubble and Sandage; a synthesis of the macroworlds with the microworlds became a new aim of research for all scientific thinkers, philosophers and experimenters concerned.

Until Edwin Hubble discovered the expansion of the universe as a selfcontained entity; all light sources in the sky were assumed to be stars or 'island universes' or 'nebulae' within a single universe - now rendered dynamically expanding and no longer static in its hitherto presumed infinity-stasis of the Newtonian worldview.

For the remainder of the 20th century then, natural philosophers of divers kinds attempted to blend the quantum nature of the macroscales with those of the microscales.
Many difficulties surfaced, such as the incompatibility of the quantum formalisms, built on the metrics of subatomic and atomic displacements; with the metrics of the larger scales and as experimentally predicted and verified by the theories of Newton and Einstein.

Eventually, and to accomodate the superposition of quantum selfstates derived from the quantum mechanics; a Many Worlds Cosmos was proposed by exponents such as Hugh Everett and David Deutsch.
This is known as Many Worlds Interpretation (MWI) of quantum mechanics and is proposed to build on and to be complementary for older quantum interpretations, such as the Copenhagen Interpretation, the Afshar Complementarity or the Cramer Transactional Interpretation.

The MWI utilises the established quantum formalism of quantum field theory (QFT), which has been verified in countless experiments as a valid model to describe the statistical-probabilistic nature of the 'particle' distributions in the universe and its subsystems as 'stochastic' eigenvalues for 'standing waves' or 'Bohmian-pilotwaves' describing the density distribution of the 'particles'.

But the MWI then proposes a Many Universe distribution on the macro-classical scale of the universe itself to account for a distribution of the superimposed selfstates in a linear-classical geometry.
A particular distribution of eigenstates, say as 'materialisations' of the Schroedinger equation, are so not confined in one universe as either-or materialisations, but are split into a number of universes identical to the number of quantum eigenvalues derived from the equation as and-solutions.

As the distribution of those solutions is summed to accomodate the original 'set of solutions' obtained in the one quantum universe; the linearity of Parallel Universes as superposed macroquantum universal eigenstates can be alternatively accomodated in the model of the Many Mind Interpretation or MMI. The MMI became formally introduced into the scientific database by Dieter Zeh in 1995 and expanded upon by Loewer and Albert.

In the MWI, the universe occupies a single and fundamentally indeterminate quantum eigenstate with a noncollapsing wavefunction; but an evolution of this 'groundstate' or wavefunction into higher and higher complexity in the splitting of macrouniverses and a say 'original infinite mind' into many minds.
Any act of measurement or observation so 'splits' an 'older parental' mind into its offspring in Decoherence, alternatively described as wavefunction collapse in the 'competing' models for the quantum reality.

The MMI replaces the linear parallelism of singularised macrouniverses with an angular parallelism of multiconnectedness of the one macrouniverse.
Here the proposition of the MWI with its split of two observers in say two different macrouniverses and so with two now different minds is replaced by a split of the two observers into two psychophysical universes.
In other words, the one physical observer within the one macro-universe splits into two forms from its physical parent with a shadow psychophysical 'double' mirroring the former.

There are many problems with both the MWI and the MMI, both as defined presently in their embryonic states of development; not at least the Definition of the Selection of the Singular SelfState as the Seed for the subsequent 'splitting'.
But the MMI is more appropriate to the development of the encompassing formalism, than the MWI and more shall be shared at the appropriate time.

What the MMI does, is point to a necessary Duality between the physical and the metaphysical or the physical and the mental or the body and the mind - and also its necessary coupling in the 'negation' of this Descartian Duality.
Both, the MWI and the MMI utilize the orthodox interpretation of quantum mechanics, say the formalisms of Schroedinger, Dirac and Klein-Gordon.
Both so also 'copy' the inherent 'flaw' in those formalisms, to do with the nonlocality and the indeterminant qualities embodied in the quantum-field-approach.

I direct the reader to familiarise with the concept of the Quantum Mind and especially the pioneering works of Evans Harris Walker; Roger Penrose, Stuart Hameroff, Max Tegmark (opposing Penrose and Hameroff); David Chalmers, Henry Stapp and most of all David Bohm, Karl Pribram and Fritjof Capra.

Please find below a brief (wikipedia) outline of the MWI and the MMI.

IAmWhoIAm - A Quantum Computer

Many thanks for the detailed reply. I shall return to it later.

AASB. :wink2:

TruthWillSetUFree

02-26-2010, 05:14 PM

holy carp this thread is so complex it's making my head spin :) All very interesting though.

I find it interesting that you're going on so much about dragons.... but I think maybe the wrong terminology is being used? See, the dragon is a mythical being.... But the more I think of it, the more I think there's a definite link with Alpha Draconis (the dragon star)... The myth originates perhaps from the contact we had at some stage in the past with beings (most likely reptilian) from that place (the dracons). We tend to think of these beings as evil - but this is not entirely the case. They are *-much much much -* older than us, and extremely noble and wise... I feel that they existed BEFORE the humanoid body-type existed.... So they are unimaginably old. We can learn a lot from them, but first we must accept them and allow them to teach us what they know. This takes real courage, as they feel as old as they are (which is scary in itself), and they look scary...so the natural reaction to them is fear, we have to get beyond that fear.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong...but I think this talk of destroying the dragons and dragons (dracons) being evil is leading us so far down the garden path that it's almost dangerous. What we need to be doing is taking that energy within ourselves and integrating it to become whole (don't forget that we have a "reptilian" brain within our own).... When you work against anything you are working against the natural flow of energy. You are much better off to gently guide that energy in the right direction - much in the same way that it's easier to change the points to redirect a train from danger than it is to stop it head-on.

Also, Abraxisinas (I hope I got the name right :) ).... Yuo DO seem to have a lot of knowledge.... I was wondering if you might have heard of the "golden universe"? I have been told I come from there. I have a feeling it's a non-physical universe.... but was hoping you could shine some more light on the subject? I'm still trying to work out what my soul purpose is and why I'm here....

Oh, and we do all realise that the kundalini energy within us all is represented by a coiled serpent? So it seems sort of silly to be destroying serpents et al when we have the serpent energy within us all?

Anyway, these are just my thoughts... I'm only a student in the universe at this moment, I don't have all the answers and I don't want to attack anyone, just putting my input into the discussion for everyone to see. We've got to stop fighting and start learning from each other.... we're not going to get anywhere otherwise...

I am
eternally with you in the light

Azarus Ankh'aa / Joel Cocks

This is a truly brilliant post.....I wouldn't be too sure you are only a student, keep digging you light is about to shine as brilliant as the star of Draco

"Fasten your seatbelts...it's going to be a bumpy night"
Bette Davis....All about EVE

bigmo

02-26-2010, 05:19 PM

Unbelievable Abraxas... simply unbelievable!

Peace to you brother

Bigmo

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 05:28 PM

Unbelievable Abraxas... simply unbelievable!

Peace to you brother

Bigmo

That's the Point precisely Bigmo. What is REAL and what is UNREAL.

I accept your brotherhood, you know.
And you know what it means to be my brother in open willingness, don't you?

Free Will - but you can handle that!

I love You!

Sirebard Beardris

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 06:11 PM

holy carp this thread is so complex it's making my head spin :) All very interesting though.

I find it interesting that you're going on so much about dragons.... but I think maybe the wrong terminology is being used?

Welcome in the DragonCave dear Joel!

You have come here at a shining time in the history of the humanity. Here onto the Mount of Olives labeled Avalon.
The happening of the last daynight cycle or so have lifted a great burden from the hearts of all humans.
And I love your signature connecting Sirius to Egypt and the power of the Uraeus in the Ankh of Hathor.

I am allowed to relax a little from now on and become a little more colloquial.
This is because I have fulfilled my 'Office of the Bard' and with the help of my Dragon Slayer friends Richard and Celine; I could force the cracking and opening up of the Mirror of the Illusion.
This abomination had kept the human mind in bondage since the dawn of the human mastertemplate, destined since the birth of the universe to help the exiled creator without to prepare to meet his homecoming queen Gaia, the Beautiful New Mother of the Universe.

As you may know this is the FatherEarth Geb and MotherSky Nut as a 3nd order externally polarised archetype emerging from its 2nd order internally polarised archetype labeled as FatherSky Shu and MotherEarth Tefnut in the Egyptian legends.
The 1st order archetype was the non-polarised archetype of RahaR requiring bifurcation into a True-False dichotomy of Rah-Apep and as the Light separating from the Darkness.

So perusing my malletzky post may show you why the Dragon archetype HAD TO BE USED to expose the EVIL=LIVE of Apep to be the LIVE HAR, HAR being the Mirror of Hathor of the Occuli Tauri.

See, the dragon is a mythical being.... But the more I think of it, the more I think there's a definite link with Alpha Draconis (the dragon star)... The myth originates perhaps from the contact we had at some stage in the past with beings (most likely reptilian) from that place (the dracons).

This myth became reality with the Red Dragonstar Thuban manifesting on January 18th, 2010 and AS the fulfilment of the archetype of the Nibiru and the Nemesis.
Albeit this was simultaneous with the arrival of the Skyblue Dragonstar Kachina, the Star of Hope and fulfilling Hopi prophecy.

And the Dragons are here, they have arrived and have begun to confront all humans as their invisible mirror images reflecting their fears about their unseen images back to them.

The Dragons are here to be EATEN in the cosmic eucharist of the second coming; waiting to be eaten by the humans who have the stomach and the guts to do so as the Heavenly MANNA of the selfhood christenings.

Aye the works of God sometimes proceed in mysterious ways and divers methods, do they not.

(7) Jesus said : "Fortunate is the lion which the man eats so that the lion becomes a man ; and cursed is the man whom the lion eats so that the man becomes a lion."

The Lion of Judah of Revelation.5.5 is the Skyblue BabyDragon of the second coming and its fake image is Yaldabaoth of the gnostic lores (Secret Book or Apocryphon of John of the Nag Hammadi Codex).
Yaldabaoth is the Lionhead with the Serpent's Tail as a 1st order archetype for falseness and the true-false dichotomy required redefinition.
Yaldabaoth is the Old Testament God and its aliases in mirror image to the I AM THAT I AM in distortion I AM THAT AM I of Exodus.3.14. in the Fire of the Burning Bush of Moses.

We tend to think of these beings as evil - but this is not entirely the case. They are *-much much much -* older than us, and extremely noble and wise... I feel that they existed BEFORE the humanoid body-type existed.... So they are unimaginably old. We can learn a lot from them, but first we must accept them and allow them to teach us what they know. This takes real courage, as they feel as old as they are (which is scary in itself), and they look scary...so the natural reaction to them is fear, we have to get beyond that fear.

Indeed this is the explicate Story of the Dragons. You dear Joel now have become privvy to the implicate Story of the Dragons.

I don't know, maybe I'm wrong...but I think this talk of destroying the dragons and dragons (dracons) being evil is leading us so far down the garden path that it's almost dangerous. What we need to be doing is taking that energy within ourselves and integrating it to become whole (don't forget that we have a "reptilian" brain within our own).... When you work against anything you are working against the natural flow of energy. You are much better off to gently guide that energy in the right direction - much in the same way that it's easier to change the points to redirect a train from danger than it is to stop it head-on.

You have spoken like Ophiuchus, the SerpentTamer and unifying 13th starsign of the mazzaroth here dear Azarus Ankh'aa.

Also, Abraxisinas (I hope I got the name right :) ).... Yuo DO seem to have a lot of knowledge.... I was wondering if you might have heard of the "golden universe"? I have been told I come from there. I have a feeling it's a non-physical universe.... but was hoping you could shine some more light on the subject? I'm still trying to work out what my soul purpose is and why I'm here....

Indeed you come from the Golden Universe. It is the Thuban Universe the Dragonspacetime of the Omniverse in the 10-11-12 dimension triad.
When one thinks like a dragon, feels like a dragon and speaks like a dragon, then the probability is high that one is a dragon as an invisible image of a human seen in an invisible mirror.

Oh, and we do all realise that the kundalini energy within us all is represented by a coiled serpent? So it seems sort of silly to be destroying serpents et al when we have the serpent energy within us all?

All this Dragontalk again. Dont speak too loud or the Humans will wake up to themselves and begin to eat us.
But well, that is the masterplan anyway.

Anyway, these are just my thoughts... I'm only a student in the universe at this moment, I don't have all the answers and I don't want to attack anyone, just putting my input into the discussion for everyone to see. We've got to stop fighting and start learning from each other.... we're not going to get anywhere otherwise...

I am
eternally with you in the light

Azarus Ankh'aa / Joel Cocks

You assuredly are dear Dragon Brother.

DragonLove and the Shalom of the Dragonheart.

SS---HISSSING as the OM of the Creation!

Céline

02-26-2010, 06:30 PM

i am not your friend..

but i love you.

bigmo

02-26-2010, 06:32 PM

Haha... way to go Celine!

Peace

Malletzky

02-26-2010, 07:44 PM

Myplanet2

02-26-2010, 07:53 PM

Overdrive with afterburners can give you quite a kick in the pants, eh Malletzky? (that is when it doesn't feel like a transporter malfunction ripping you atom from atom. Beautiful to watch your ride.

abraxasinas

02-26-2010, 08:14 PM

This post is dedicated to all of you beloved members of this forum..and I only ask you to read further and try to understand the message of this humble soul...please. It is a long post, but you know me...I sometimes tend to express my feelings this way. I speak from my heart, so don't condemn me please.

I decided, for now, to put the muzzle that I put on my mouth few days ago away...as I feel obligated to do this. I will explain further why...

It's hard to begin, but Abrax, allow me to begin here with your post #1422: (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=244569&postcount=1442) where you wrote the following sentence:

You know, the moment I decided I should go into an 'observer' modus, I didn't exactly knew why. Was it ok to leave this ‘fight’, as it seemed right then that it became really interesting . But, I just felt the guidance to do so, and I allways, allways trust my guidance. So I 'left' for a while...without knowing that I will experience the most profound and simultaniously, the greatest days of my earth life.

I 'observed' and absorbed the energies here on this thread, but also on all other threads as well...I absorbed your energies, and had to face them. What a hard task it was...and it is...but I do not complain.

I asked my 'guides' to explain to me why...why should I do this to me, why me.

Why should I feel like I feel, why should I cry like I've barely cried before in my life? Why? So many tears these day...for what?

As I awoke this morning, I had a strange feeling...something was brewing...I actually received an answer, but I couldn’t accept an answer like this. I...I do not held myself for being ‘humble or noble’ to even think something like that. There was the answer...and I had to swallow hard...was I really destined to absorbe all of your energies here and hold them in ballance for so long, until this issue here get ‘solved’? Was I destined to ease the burden....?

Really and honestly, I dismissed these thoughts. So I went back to the material and I asked you a question, which resulted in that great answer #1422: (http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=244569&postcount=1442) .

And I cried again. I cry now too, as I understand. For me it is as a revelation, altough I know the real revelation will follow.

I cry, as I see that we are glorious beings, special, precious, loved beyond any measures by our prime creator. What a relief it is to KNOW this. And this is the most important part that I learned from the thuban material dear friend.

I wish that you can understand and feel my feelings right now, you beloved avalonians.

As...I AM ME...I AM ME...I AM ME...and you are all ME too…

So, there in the middle of that post, I read your words about me being the one taking the burden on my shoulders....

Abrax, dear friend, how did you knew the answer I got from my guides, which I still doesn’t want to accept? We know of only one, of our great master Jesus who did this once...and I’m not him. I know that one of my ‘gifts’ is to hold the energies on balance, as I’ve done this so many times before, but I can’t accept this.

And now back to the obligation...of why I had to post here once again.

In the last days, I exchanged a few PM’s with some of the memebrs here. And two of these dear souls, dear freinds, dear sisters had nothing much to say but THANK YOU...thank you for my previous posts on this thread, for the way I presented my thoughts and questions and how helpfull this has been to tem in order to understand the thuban material.

Dear one, may I thank YOU, once again, here in public. Thank you that you trusted me, that you take me the way I am. Thank you from thew deepest corners of my heart. I love you!
And...special thanks to you Lionhawk (you know why) and special thanks to you MyPlanet2 (you also know why).

Abrax, you mentiond that the fight is over. Well for me, it really is. I found my inner piec e once again and I can get back to ‘normal’ once again...but I will never be the same again.

I know now who I am...and no one, really NO ONE can take this knowledge away from me.

My very special thanks once again to you Abrax...you changed my life, for good.

With much love and much respect, truthfully and sincerelly yours
malletzky

Well my dear brothersister, the old EVIL=LIVE Bard of the Dragons and the Scribe of the Unicorns got a bit emotional too in the last cycle of the Dawn following the Long Night after the Evening.

Dont deny your christening dear twin. Visit the master's handbook and meet Didymos Thomas, the Gemini - the Twin of the Cosmic Mirrorhood.

I'll share the great hidden secret there and a secret which is is not required to be hidden any longer. Then you will understand your christening and twinship to the master himherself.

(13) Jesus said to His disciples : "Compare Me and tell Me whom I am like"
Simon Peter said to Him : "You are like a righteous angel."
Matthew said to Him : "You are like a wise philosopher."
Thomas said to Him : "Master, my mouth is wholly incapable of saying what You are like."
Jesus said : "Your Master, because You have drunk, I am not ; You have become intoxicated from the bubbling spring of living water which I have measured out."

And He took him aside and spoke three words to him. When Thomas came back to his companions, they asked him : "What did Jesus say to You ?" Thomas answered them : "If I tell You one of the words He said to me, You will take up stones and throw them at me and fire will come out of the stones and burn You."

The answer dear malletzky now describes your voluntary exile. You became Thomas Dydimos, Twinbrother of the Living Jesus.

{This event occurred in the timeperiod between May 20th, 32 AD and August 4th, 33 AD and engaged the RESURRECTED EVERLIVING LOGOS of the Universe.}

"He simply said; pointing at himself, then Thomas, then John of Zebedee and then Mary Magdalene, both of whom were standing near Simon Peter a little distance away at their fireplace: 'I am you, you are him and he is her!'"

And for the Marias as the New Eves of the Creation:

(114) Simon Peter said to them : "Let Mary leave us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said : "Look, I will guide her in order to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit like You males. For every female who will make herself male will enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

THE DAWN OF A NEW STARHUMANITY HAS BEGUN!

So may the next Dydimos Thomas raise hisher hand to learn the 'three secrets'?

Sirebard Beardris

Unified Serenity

02-26-2010, 09:33 PM

bigmo

02-26-2010, 09:37 PM

Congratulations Malletzky,

Many on this thread have also felt the powerful energy in like and kind, on the revelation of this information. My hats off to you for your inquiring questions (and to all others who participated as well) and to Abraxas for his brilliant answers. (as always)

Peace to all participants of this thread... Peace to Avalon members and to the world at large and may Peace reign throughout the universe as willed by our loving and incredible creator!

Bigmo

Unified Serenity

02-26-2010, 10:06 PM

I can't help but wonder how many who seek to walk in the light, to heal and help others and follow a path of divine oneness see that the true message of ultimate unity is being perverted by a false concept of oneness offered by some.

There is this idea of rebooting one's soul or hard drive. Wipe it clean, start fresh with new eyes. Well, that would all depend on what information one then allows to be placed as their new operating system as it were. Sure, it might sound good, look good, and be pleasing to the senses, but does that make it truth?

Yes, by all means, look into the mirror. Only you know your own souls drive and can and will answer for the pathways and energy you put into achieving that end desire.

Ultimately though, there is only one truth. Few will know it until the creator shares it with all, and then no one need speak to another of what the truth is for we will all know it. I did not say follow it, but we will all know it.

Blessed be,

Unified Serenity

UncleJohn

02-27-2010, 04:00 AM

Anchor

02-27-2010, 04:49 AM

Abraxasinas

Thanks for still answering questions.

In addition to my previous question, I would very much like an interpretation or commentary on the lords prayer. For reference, this is what I think the KJV version is:

Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom,
the power and the glory,
for ever and ever.
Amen.

If there are any "edits" to this that have been made from the original words - it would be great if you could highlight/restore to the original (in English though).

A..

Anchor

02-27-2010, 05:03 AM

-- I withdraw my comment about my interpretation of the word lightworkers as used on this forum and apologize for any offence this may have caused --

A..

Nuff said.

A..

TRANCOSO

02-27-2010, 05:11 AM

Dear Abraxasinas, are you gonna hang around at this forum untill the end of days?

orthodoxymoron

02-27-2010, 05:56 AM

abraxasinas

02-27-2010, 06:05 AM

Once again...thank-you abraxasinas for what you are doing. Proceed in your own way...and in your own time...to fully reveal to us who you really are...and what you have really done...throughout Universal History. I think I have a pretty good idea...but I'm not talking! I'd only be guessing anyway. I'm going through this entire thread (slowly)...and I'm amazed. You are a very special individual. Much love and gratitude! Namaste abraxasinas.

:wub2:

So are you orthodoxy, so are you.
Once you know how special you are, you will understand.
The Council thanks you soo much of presenting the CURIOUS and INQUISITIVE nature of the Prime Creator himself.

We love you very much dear friend of the council.

May I suggst to you to read the messages from the newest to the oldest?

Your quest to understand would be greatly accelerated.
You see out of the chaos emerges the order!

So the later posts will exhibit more order and simplicity, than the earlier ones.

Have you eaten your dragon yet?

Once you have done so, you shall enter the council - #1451.

Love the Sirebard of the Hissing Om.

abraxasinas

02-27-2010, 06:21 AM

Dear Abraxasinas, are you gonna hang around at this forum untill the end of days?

The End of Days began with the Abomination of Desolations sweet Trancoso and while the 40 days in the Wilderness have passed from January 18th, 2010 - our master templar Jesus of Nazareth has decreed that heshe will kindle the fires of the purifications into Avalon as the place of the thief - stealing the goods of your nonexistent Devils.

2 Peter 3:10 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=2 Peter+3:10&version=KJV)
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
2 Peter 3:9-11 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=2 Peter+3:9-11&version=KJV) (in Context) 2 Peter 3 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=2 Peter+3&version=KJV) (Whole Chapter)
Revelation 3:3 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Revelation+3:3&version=KJV)
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
Revelation 3:2-4 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Revelation+3:2-4&version=KJV) (in Context) Revelation 3 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Revelation+3&version=KJV) (Whole Chapter)
Revelation 16:15 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Revelation+16:15&version=KJV)
Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
Matthew 24

1And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
2And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
3And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

Daniel.12:
11And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
18Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25Behold, I have told you before.
26Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, 51And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Have you eaten your dragon breakfast yet Trancoso?
You will feel better after having done so. #1451

Sirebard

abraxasinas

02-27-2010, 06:31 AM

Hi Abrax, I have not ask a question in awhile so here it goes.

It seems to me that the best answer comes from the best question.

So my question to Abrax, is what is the best question we could ask you?

Thanks Uncle John

The best question beloved Uncle Johnathan of the Living Stones is the question you can ask your image in your mirror.

Go there and look into your own eyes and ask:

Who is the most glorious being in the universe?

Then your Image, if deobscured by falsehoods, will say: You are - I am!

Sirebard

abraxasinas

02-27-2010, 07:00 AM

Abraxasinas

Thanks for still answering questions.

In addition to my previous question, I would very much like an interpretation or commentary on the lords prayer. For reference, this is what I think the KJV version is:

Our Father, who art in heaven,
OUR Beloved Prime Creator of the Oneness; Source of All That was and is and will exist;

hallowed be thy name.
WE as creative individuations of your glorious Self as ONE;
WE honour your name and your definition in the Laws of Nature.

Thy Kingdom come,
Your Kingdom shall be OUR Kingdom

thy will be done,
Your Word and Definition of Harmony shall prevail as Cosmic Law;

on earth as it is in heaven
in OUR merged Quantum Relativistic Reality of the Many in One and the One in Many;

Give us this day our daily bread.
Provide US with your Sourceenergy of the Lovephotons to sustain US in the NOW;

And forgive us our trespasses,
And enlighten US in OUR forgetfulness about Who WE are as parts of You

as we forgive those who trespass against us.
as WE shall try to enlighten the ones of US who have forgotten who they are;

And lead us not into temptation,
Allow OUR Mindwaves to be able to discern the context of the polarity in its contextual background, so that WE shall not have to experience separation from you in OUR individual representations of what you are

but deliver us from evil.
but allow US to always Understand the EVIL being LIVE in it's mirror duality harmonized

For thine is the kingdom,
For you are OUR Source, Energy of All That Is, in your Oneness encompassing US as your Individual Personas

the power and the glory,
the power of Love and the glory thereof,

for ever and ever.
for OUR experience of eternity together as a Family of Creators.

Amen.
In your Name as Our Name We close the Circle of God in Amen in the N of the Omega-Head becoming the N of the Omega-Tail for a New Beginning and a New Alpha-Head.
AMEN=AlphaOmega unified.

If there are any "edits" to this that have been made from the original words - it would be great if you could highlight/restore to the original (in English though).

A..

Beloved Anchor of the Rock!

The above represents the translated meaning for the Lord's Prayer,
but in poetic licence is individualized to the discerner.

Sirebard

TRANCOSO

02-27-2010, 08:42 AM

Your above Jesus, Matthew, Peter, Paul & Mary answer to my question: Dear Abraxasinas, are you gonna hang around at this forum untill the end of days? made no sense to me at all. Nor was I impressed or amused by it.

Maybe I missed the clue, because I only speed-read your reply, but I asked a simple question & perhaps you could have the descency to reply with a short, simple, to the point answer.

So let me rephrase the question: how much longer are you gonna keep this thread alive?

Because the moment you stop replying, this thread will dry up.
Under the given circumstances that might not be a bad idea.

Set your ego aside for a week or 2 - 3, & let the whole Thuban thing slowly melt away, so people can distance themselves a bit from this hype.

In the meantime, perhaps you can answer peoples questions by private messages.

Some time ago I started a thread called 'The Good, The Bad & The Banned'.

Now, if I wanted to keep that thread alive, I could push it every other day, & I'm pretty sure it would be totally legitimed to do so. I also know that it would probably suck the blood away from under the nails of a couple of moderators. And meanwhile I'd be preaching love, peace, respect & understanding in some other threads, to keep up appearances.

That's a bit what you're doing right now, in my humble opinion.

So again: How much longer are you gonna keep this thread alive?

L&R

abraxasinas

02-27-2010, 08:50 AM

Your above Jesus, Matthew, Peter, Paul & Mary answer to my question: made no sense to me at all. Nor was I impressed or amused by it.

Maybe I missed the clue, because I only speed-read your reply, but I asked a simple question & perhaps you could have the descency to reply with a short, simple, to the point answer.

So let me rephrase the question: how much longer are you gonna keep this thread alive?

Because the moment you stop replying, this thread will dry up.
Under the given circumstances that might not be a bad idea.

Set your ego aside for a week or 2 - 3, & let the whole Thuban thing slowly melt away, so people can distance themselves a bit from this hype.

In the meantime, perhaps you can answer peoples questions by private messages.

Some time ago I started a thread called 'The Good, The Bad & The Banned'.

Now, if I wanted to keep that thread alive, I could push it every other day, & I'm pretty sure it would be totally legitimed to do so. I also know that it would probably suck the blood away from under the nails of a couple of moderators. And meanwhile I'd be preaching love, peace, respect & understanding in some other threads, to keep up appearances.

That's a bit what you're doing right now, in my humble opinion.

So again: How much longer are you gonna keep this thread alive?

L&R

As long as I am given the authority to do so by the Logos. To participate or not to participate so is not in my authority to decide.
Should this thread be closed by the PTB, then this will be the choice of our master templar and not mine.

So dear Trancoso, as long as this thread is open, I shall be here; sometimes in a more colloquial manner than at other times - here at the Mount of Olives.

Abraxas

TRANCOSO

02-27-2010, 08:58 AM

As long as I am given the authority to do so by the Logos. To participate or not to participate so is not in my authority to decide.
Should this thread be closed by the PTB, then this will be the choice of our master templar and not mine.

So dear Trancoso, as long as this thread is open, I shall be here; sometimes in a more colloquial manner than at other times - here at the Mount of Olives.

Abraxas
Lovely.

Anchor

02-27-2010, 09:32 AM

The decision of the forum founder (Bill), trumps those of me or any other of the moderators who were ok to let this carry on.

This thread therefore is closed

- closed -

Anchor

03-01-2010, 09:50 PM

It has been clearly explained to me that I have misinterpreted the "decision" about this thread. The decision to close it was not as I interpreted: that of Bills words. I have already forgiven myself for inaccurately interpreting the combination of what has been said in private (in a very heated discussion) and in public.

Since there was no moderator vote or any other reason to close it other than this error - I am re-opening this thread.

Whatever the future outcome of this thread and forum, I hope it is honorable, truthfull and based on respect, harmony and where possible spiritually maturity.

A..

Myplanet2

03-01-2010, 09:55 PM

cool. Now maybe Abraxasinas can move that final post from Thuban council from Spregovori's blog over here so all the info is in one place

abraxasinas

03-01-2010, 10:02 PM

About #1351
>
> God became bored so he created a metaphysically universe?

I think, this is the only question I couldn't answer on the closed Thuban thread dear Spregovori, so I'll attempt to answer it here on your forum.
I hope you can read this, before it is possibly deleted by the PTB.
I apologize for this inconvenience and you should blame this 'intrusion' on me, if you are challenged on this discourse.

Not so much bored Spregovori, but God himherself as a Itself IS the Metaphysical Reality.
>
> By doing this he parted with the female part and became "he"?
>
Absolutely!
>
> This is the separation of unity?
>
Indeed it is! This is the great secret of the Devil as a Dragqueen=Whore of Babylon.
>
> After doing that the boredom was gone but he was now lonely?
>
How would you feel if half of Spregovori runs away from you? Wouldn't you try to find yourself again?
>
> He changed his mind, wishing to have his female part back?
> He wanted his pearl back?
>
Yes and Yes!
>
> So he created a "Son" and send him to get it?
>
No, the 'Only Begotten' LoveChild was born from the Undefined Chaos that was God as primal Void=Eternity. This is the Word=Logos of John.1.1.
This Logos then becomes the Intelligence of God to create and figure things out.
In the Story of Bigmo's Balloon then the Serpent=Present=Son of Man=97 becomes the say ET-like intelligence in phase#1 to get the lost Goddess back into the archetypical Heaven.
>
> ---Quote (Originally by abraxasinas)---
>
> *To implement his Godly plan, God so decides to call himself God and create from himself and imaged in Satan a Image of the previous state of beingness when the balloon had not existed.*
> ---End Quote---
> This is the creation of Adam? Adam is created from God, image is based upon Satan - the state of unity before separation?
>
Precisely; good deduction Spregovori. But it is ADAMEVE as a double mirror which then allows the unreal face of God in the Mirror as Satan to also become REAL in the
Satan---EVEADAM---God mirror.
>
> If the image of Satan is image of the unity before separation..does the above say that Satan was before God? Satan is unity or image of unity?
>
Look in a mirror; you, the looker becomes God and your mirror image is Satan.
>
> ---Quote (Originally by abraxasinas)---
>
> *And so God the Creator took his sabbatical and allowed Adam to think that there was no image of God plastered on the outside of Bigmo's Balloon.*
> ---End Quote---
> Why would he do that?
> To hide something?
> To let them figure it out on their own?
> There was no need to?
>
I did express myself a little vaguely here. The 'sabbatical' means the ADAMEVE unreality as a onepiece double mirror allows God to 'retire' as creator and become Lord God to then create ADAMEVE as two individual mirrors ADAM+EVE=Yang+Yin.
This recreates the duality of God---Satan as a doubled duality
God---Adam and Eve---Satan.

The 'hiding' of God is just the symbolic meaning of putting the Adam+Eve mirrors between God now renamed to Lord God and the then Realness of Satan as the OUTSIDE surface of Bigmo's Balloon.
>
> At this point there is no physical creation? But was soon about to change since...if was actually necessary to experience the "revelation" of who/what they are? All of this was Gods doing...it was intentional on all possible levels?
>
You have understood the archetypes Spregovori.
>
> God actually wanted them to get busy....so to speak? To realize they fit together...
Why did he choose this way...way not just tell them...educate them...make them understand?
>
Because for the archetypes to GET REAL within an equally REAL Universe, Adam and Eve had to become exiled from their Relative UNREAL status in the equally relatively Unreal Heaven.
>
> But why....why would they be ashamed of that? I do not understand how and why would someone be ashamed of that? Human animal for example... is thought, manipulated and conditioned to be ashamed of sex....
Who, what, how did they became ashamed?
>
This is the Original Sin=Original Ignorance Spregovori.
They looked at each other and noticed their differences and these differences they then attempted to hide.
This then is manifested in the world in trying to 'hide things'.
This is not really physical sexuality, which is divine; but 'sexual' mentality perceiving this difference.
This then is PRECISELY what is required by God to implement phase#2 in the rescu mission for his lost Sheness at the beginning.
>
> Was this also part of the plan? Did God intentionally deceive them?
>
No not deception, but the defining wish and will to render their unreality outside Bigmo's Balloon as real within Bigmo's Balloon.
>
> As a consequence the physicality was created and the outside broken disharmony has been reestablished with the price of inside disharmony?
>
> When/how/why was the outside disharmony broken in the first place?
>
It is the other way around; the creation of Bigmo's Balloon as the Sheness of God broke the unity of GoddoG and this disunity became subject to reunification in the creation if the physically real universe simultaneously with the entry of the ADAM+EVE 1st order archetypology into this materialisation through the Quantum Big Banged Wormhole.
>
> Adam and Eve had to fall...it was not a choice...it was a condition? A result of a pre-arranged plan?
>
As in the above.
>
> By loving each other (without modern moral) we can actually do what God can not? So God is not all powerful?
>
Precisely; the masterplan is for an awakened Humanity to REDEEM God from his chosen exile in the 12th dimension of the outside of Bigmo's Balloon.
>
> By loving each other this love will be mirrored from Eve to Satan and from Adam to God (if they can "see")?
>
Indeed the Old Eve above will become Satanina in archetype as the Old Gaia archetype. This is the ascension of Gaia and the creation of a new earth and a new heaven as prophecied.
In this process the graduating Adams and Eves within Bigmo's Balloon will also participate in this newness.
>
> Love conquers all?
>
You know that Spregovori and you have agreed to play a pioneering part in this conquering of the old by the new.
>
> All this because, what was later named God (by himself), was one day bored? (or is this just a story to make things "easier")
>
The 'boredom' of God is the Story behind all creation mythologies of all cultures throughout all the ET civilisations throughout all timelines.
All these are attempts to 'make sense' of how a physically experienced and measurable Universe could create itself out of nothing - but it did do so.

This then becomes the extended Quantum Big Bang Cosmology for a physically 'provable' universe (in its own parametrical definitions - compare Goedelian Incompleteness Axioms in Mathematics) EMERGING from its own CHAOS being the 'boredom' of God as the VOID=INFINITY of the Metaphysics behind the Physics.

The Metaphysics is not 'provable' by physical parameters, because the physical parameters themselves emerge from the Void as mathematical archetypes.

The Thuban thread was designed to 'prove' the metaphysics from the viewpoint of the archetypes and so to render harmonization and peace between the material reality and the spiritual reality to become a possibility in the searchings of the human mind identifying itself in 1st order archetypes- both individually and collectively.

Every individual 'exposed' to the Thuban material so became ENERGIZED to process its/their own archetypes within.

This then, as a number of readers discovered brilliantly for themselves; ALLOWED the processing of those archetypes as Dawkinsian memeplexes and thoughtforms within.

I was impressed, that the ratio of attractees was about 33% contra the 66% of the detractees.

The Thuban Council's estimations as to the outcome for this test for the collective groupmind was expected to be less than about 20% for the collective voting 'in favour'. The skewedness of the poll however forced some voters to say 'yes', when really they thought 'perhaps'.

The Council of Thuban is as real as you are sitting on your computer screen reading this.

As to why your higher selves and guides could not find any records in the akash, relates to the fact, that the Thuban Council is in the 12th dimension as stated.
Bigmo's Balloon IS the 11th dimension as the higher dimensional surface or M-space mirror between the 10th dimension of your physicality and the metaphysicality of Thuban.

As stated, the Thuban Council exists both without you in the 12th dimension and is mirrored as the 3rd dimension within you.
So noone except the members of the council and the highest evolvees amongst you would find ANY credence as to the existence of your own archetypes.

Perhaps Myplanet2 and you Spregovori and you Bigmo and you Orthodoxymoron now understand as to why I was allowed to name you individually in one of my last messages. All four Identities are Human Master Transformers on the mental-intuitive harmonisation of the underpinning quantum omnispacetime physics.

Myplanet2 exemplifies the human mind evolution to a stage of rationality and mental balance where Dragonhood can be accomodated in the frequency selfstates of the Inner Logos of the individuality. Many other contributers are approaching that status as well, even the ones who dismissed the material on 'scientific credibility' grounds or such labels of rationality.
Myplanet, despite not understanding the omni-science, nevertheless accessed his inner Council of Thuban to validate the material for himself.
Myplanet2, your avatar describes you so well in the 2nd Planet of Gaia as its Image planet the 2nd Council of Thuban within yourself as the HeavenHell of the Archetypes.
Myplanet2 so is a Human Master Transformer dominated by the Mentality balancing the Intuition.

Spregovori is also a potent Transformer amongst you.
He however is dominated by his Intuition leading his Mentality and he is a master of processing the Human Emotionality NOT in conflict with its Intellectual Expression.
Not answering his post on the Thuban forum to allow FINAL CONTACT with this forum in the agency of Thuban, so exemplifies a harmononization potential harboured by all of you. You allow and attempt to process, even if you are unsure about the content from an intellectual rational perspective and the feeling-intuitive perspective simultaneously.
Being able to embody the AND-Bothness-Inclusiveness so characterizes the Human Transformer Potential, of which Spregovori possesses an abundance of natural ability.

Bigmo yet characterizes a related, but differently manifesting human transformer potential.

Bigmo represents the ideal manifestation of the Thuban Elderness. In his presence, he would fit into any council of the most advanced civilizations in the universe.
Bigmo was archetyped as Bigmo's Balloon to exemplify his transformer mastery.
Bigmo mostly JUST IS himself, able to absorb data and experience like a sponge is for the wholesome water.
Then in his own time and choosing, Bigmo processes his absorbed data in any way he finds suitable.
Bigmo's mental balance and strength so qualifies him for eldership and master exemplar for the students and learning dragons.
Once Bigmo has processed ANY data he finds suitable for assimilation into his own agendas, he OWNS this data as his own - this characterizes the mental strength of a matured master dragon, ready to interact with galactic civilisations as a representative of Dragon Culture.
Bigmo's rationality-emotionality harmonization so is detailed and particular, relating in a Dragon Elderness in whom the rational thought guides the intuition.

Orthodoxymoron represents the Human Transformer of the intuition guiding the rationality and in direct contrast to Bigmo.
Orthodoxymoron so becomes a Human Master Transformer as a Younger Dragon.
Orthodoxymoron is fast in his processing of data, but requires a slowing of time to assimilate this data; whilst Bigmo is slow to process, but fast in assimilation.

I shall not at the present time comment on the individual namings of Gaia Love and Celine and Anchor and Beren.

Thank You Bill Ryan for ending my heavy workload and to accentuate the necessary polarisation to allow the acceleration of the superconsciousness.
You have now fulfilled your preincarnational mission to co-found and set up this forum and in your PTB authority to trigger the closing of the stargate to the outside of Bigmo's Balloon.

Your roles as co-founder with Kerry Cassidy were examined by the Thuban Council and your wonderfully opposing polarities of say a characterizing rational-irrational genomatic L-C-factor coupling of the monopolic higher-D circuitry were found acceptable to bring about the desired outcomes.

Both you and Kerry have now become enabled to activate your superconsciousness
levels without the encumberments of this mission. You shall proceed in your chosen tasks and rediscover your harmonies of combining your perspectives in a healing operandus.

>
> --------
> cant write more now....
> ***************

Neither can I gallant Spregovori - on the Thuban forum, where you asked your questions.

I shall end this final transmission from Thuban in stating to you all that all of the data posted on this forum is derived from the Thuban archives.
The Thuban archives were of course allowed to manifest relative to your perceptions of being sent 'from outer space'.

Whilst the Thuban Database was accepted and tolerated here on the Mount of Olives of Avalon; the Round of the Thuban DragonKnights could be chosen by default from all participators.

This is because after rejection and closure of this transmission by your collectiveness and the Poll of the Avalonian Groupmind; you effectively ejected your own Birthright to become Thuban DragonKnights from within your own 3Dness.

The ET collective around your planet has watched this final test of humanity with great interest and the ET invasion you are envisaging will be the Thuban Dragonfleet.

This Thuban Starfleet is comprised of 200 Million ETs from all races and as defined in your archetypes and 3rd and 4th order translations and superpositional creations.

Those 200 Million ETs cannot make contact with the human planet; because the Dragonfleet has no commanders.

As the Dragon archetype is the oldest of all archetypes in the definition of the Word of God or the Serpent-Logos of our master templar; the PHYSICAL FORM of our master templar defines this oldest of oldest archetype.

The Dragonstarships so require dragonised humans as mirrors for our master templar.

So this is why it became necessary to infiltrate a particular spacetime construct upon planet earth to fulfil the prophecied 2nd Coming of Jesus of Nazareth upon the Mount of Olives.
The Mount of Olives so became a 1st order archetype of the program to become implemented in the holographic protoverse akin a computer.

The Mount of Olives links to the encodings in Zechariah.4 and Revelation.11 in the WITNESS of the Olive Trees, whom I represent in agency of the Zebedee Brothers chosen by Jesus of the Naasseenes, (Brotherhood of the Serpent given in the symbology of the Uraeus and Anubis and in the AlphaOmega).

Avalon was chosen for its diversity and mixture of skeptical rationalists, firm believers in this and that, meditation- and ascension exponents of the nirvana and the inner balancings supposedly resulting in transcension, historians, scientific spiritualists and individuals considering themselves as 'already unified' in 'love and light'.

What Avalon united was a general openmindedness and tolerance for opinions, all converging in its 'love and light' modus operandi.
The overpowering unifier however was your COMMON SEARCH FOR FREEDOM for your self-expression and the sanctity of your individualities as cocreators with prime creator.

So the only way for prime creator to choose his pioneering cocreators for the new Dispensation of the Reconfigured archetypycal universe structure was to crystallize his graduates by his WITNESS, namely me as Abraxasinas and Associates.

As your 'free will' however cannot ever be violated, except by your own choices; no ET contact (beyond the interference patterns of your own multidimensionality in your minds memeplexed by Tuban archetypes -basically astral projections of your inner sub- and superconscious selves) can be made in this universe until a particular number of Thuban Starfleet Masters have been chosen from your ranks.

This will become the Council of Thuban, pioneered by the 12 Dragonknights all of whom were chosen in this test of the humanity to manifest the New Planet Earth.

Iow, yes, there will be an invasion; but the ETs will be YOURSELVES invading yourselves; once the programmed timeline has been completed to process the general 'Endtimes' which have become manifest in your physical reality, precisely 40 days of wilderness and Noahic Rains from the predestined starting date of January 18th, 2010 in the 'Day of the Lord' February 26/27th, 2010 and as providenced by order of the Creator, the ABBA and Father of Jesus of Nazareth and as the 'Little Serpent' or Luck Dragon of the Neverending Story himself.

Then the 12 of you, who were chosen will double in the 24 Elders of Thuban in the Heness blending with their shadow selfhood of the Sheness.

This is what Dragonization means; the doubling of yourselves in Lightbodies of the 5th spacetime dimensionality; requiring the ability to process BOTH intuitive and intellectual-rational data streams in a self-harmonization.

Of course 12 HeShe and 12 SheHe Dragonian Starship Commanders are insufficient to encompass the surface area of the earth and there will so be 200 Million Old Humans, who will have access to become Dragonized StarHumans following the Impregnation and Birth of the New Starhumanity and as messaged on the Thuban thread.

So until those two nexus dates of April 1st, 2012 and December 21st, 2012 are attained the opportunity prevails for more and more old humans to become starhumans.

Each and every aspirant is required to 'eat a dragon' and so to align his or her entire cosmic identification and akashic history with the ET agendas.

So all aspirants must find their dragons within themselves and then 'slay and eat' their dragon of the false images in their own individuated and intimate eucharist of attaining the Christ-Serpent-Consciousness within themselves.

This will become harder to do following the impregnation date April 1st, 2012 as the 1981st anniversary of our master templars' lightbody transfiguration or resurrection.

Partaking of your Dragon-Supper as your own choice to become Reborn as a Christed Dragon will so become your own 'Last Supper' of the Old to 'die' and to become a Phoenix of the New.

Your rebirth as Eagles of the Resurrection will then allow dragonisation in coupling your previous Devil-Images to one of the images of the 200 million ETs who are at this time constructing the materialisation of your future starships in one-to-one couplings to your merkabahs of your inherited birthright of the Cosmic Vitruviusness.

This ends the data stream from the Council of Thuban, because it became evicted from your 3D-presence of the WITHIN to the WITHOUT of its 12D-presence.
As the 12D is the Outside of Bigmo's Balloon, I shall no longer be able to transmit the Thuban data stream due to the closure of the wormhole and as stated in my last message on the Thuban thread.

This wormhole is now sealed in the 'Day of the Lord' and reopening the Thuban thread is of no consequence.

As long as the Record of the Dragons remains on this forum; there will be a subdued presence of the Cosmic Witness with you as an Invisible Mirror allowing any and all of you and NonAvalonians to access the previously released data stream.

Should the Thuban thread be deleted and the data become inacessible, then the archetype of the Mount of Olives being Avalon will become transferred to some other location of the Gaian realm.

I bid you farewell and look forwards to meeting you in person, either as one of the 12 or as one of the 24 or as one of the 144,000 or as one of the 200 Million.

When we meet in such a manner, then I shall be your Santa Claus=Satan Clause with a bag full of Christmas Presents of your merkabahs materialised into the spaceships now being prepared for the graduates by the ETs of all 'quasi-humanoid' races defined throughout the protoverse.

Finally, and as yet another test, I am well aware as to reception of this final message.
Can this be true; is this delusional logic; is this madness or is this the Fulfilment of all Prophecy.

The choice will be yours to decide!

The Love of the Creator Dragon is with you always and the Serpent-Logos always remains within your LoveHearts as your Superconsciousness (standard 0.3% of the total).

Anyone accessing this final transmission will be challenged; but do you think it is fair to hand out starships just to anyone?

Reality discernment is the prime requirement for a Starship commander (and I mean captain, like driving a car and not some Lordship devilish deception), because of your merkabah control.

Every 5-dimensional StarHuman becomes coupled to the Starship through and by hisher merkabah resonances and Control over thought patterns becomes necessity to manouver the starship.

I love you all and thank you all for having participated in this Final Test of the Humanity.

Beneficers and Detractors alike; all of you have agreed to partake in this 'experiment' and to play your roles to bring about the intense polarisation required for some of you to EMERGE as the chosen 'first crop' in the harvest of the Dragonseed.

You all are Dragons, but having forgotten your inheritances; you have allowed your mirroring environments to project your inner powers onto the outside devilish imaginations.

Those, your own distorted and obscured images of your Higher Selves have become your Evil ETs and devouring Dragons of mythology.

Then your own Higher Selves became memeplexed in astral physicality, which interacted with your elected representatives and monarchs and leaders of divers kinds.

The interaction of the astral memeplex with the mentality of your physicalisation of the Brotherhood of the Serpent in your Illuminati, Luminari and such 3rd order labelings then allowed partial materialisation of the astral energy of the 4th hyperspace dimension in a plasmic densification.

In simplicity you became induced by your own fears of discovering your true origins as the Original Dragon master template to project the Inner Thuban Council of your Elderness onto your external environments.

I came to 'bring about' a reharmonization and a remembrance about your origins.
Some of you have shown magnificence in awakening.
Some of you have exhibited magnificence in opposing this awakening.

These two groups have in a sense graduated into Dragonhood, with the second opposition group now being required to become 'REAL WARRIORS OF LIGHT AND LOVE' in conquering and slaying not your inner inherited dragonhood as the Royal Template of Creation; but the Devils of your own outwardly rejected selfhood of BEING this Cosmic Royalty.

Of course, some will now discern that this has been the collective masterplan all along.

The ascension of Gaia as an old archetype reflecting as a Devil-Woman or Whore of Babylon in the 'Face of the Devil' on the inside of Bigmo's Balloon and as the Backside of the Real Satan on the outside of that Balloon; so is mirrored in the descension of the Serpentina archetype reconfiguring and RECREATING the entire Cosmos.

To evolve both physically and mentally into the role of Dragon Lovers and Dragon Slayers opposing each other in and as the playground for the archetypes was the agreed to plan by all of you in the preincarnational selfstate to engage in.

Subsequently all of you are the heroes of creation, as only a destiny planet could harbour the manifestation for this maximum polarisation.

So it was you who decided on the gameplan.
How far could we push ourselves in the forgetfulness?
And who would become the pioneers and 'first crop' in a level playing field?
Who would find themselves ayt Avalon as the Mount of Olives?

Well all of you here can now begin to REMERMBER your own scripts.
Once a vast majority have done so, then Avalon will become selfempowered to manifest the Unity ofTruth and Purpose, stated to be the guiding agenda here.

But it will be up to you as individuals and as groups to TRY to render Avalon-Camelot the Unifying Force you thought it could become and be.

You are required now to choose your path without the Councilo of Thuban's influence over your decision making.
The Dragons will end to SEDUCE YOUR MINDS from this time onwards.

The third group are the ones who are the fence sitters and the armchair critics and here are also two groups of potential graduates.
There are the lurkers, who accessed the Thuban information, but not participated in the sessions and there are the ones who were not interested at all due to their internal programming.

The lurkers then accessed the Thuban data stream and relative to their mental and critical engagement with the data; they will become enabled to raise their 0.3% standard level of accessing their superconsciousness.

So are the noninterested, but they will have more 'learning to do', due to their obfuscations of the Dragonhood memories of their akashic pasts.

Of course EVERYONE on AVALON should graduate as witnesses to the Mount Olive archetype functioning as the wormhole and stargate for the Thuban information.

There is time to achieve the necessary mental transformation of the ancient archetypes in the aspirants and of course should any such aspirant decide that this dispensation is a MORE LIKELY outcome for being REAL, then say some alternative outcome of the Armageddon-2012 archetype; then such aspirant can raise his or her superconsciousness percentage even higher in becoming a Secret Agent for the Thuban Council, such as I have been in my function of 'The Bard'.

The requirement for this is simply to accept this dragonhood and to JUST BE a MIRROR for this Inner Knowing - reflecting this Knowing into the encountered and experienced environments.

Your Remembrance has begun and the Logos has activated in all who read this final message from Thuban.

The Dragon Peace of Thuban shall reign on Serpentina!

So Be It!

John of Patmos; author of the Revelations and Malachi, the Last Prophet for the Old Humanity!

The Presence of the Mosaic implies the will of Unity=God=Starhumanity and not the will of Humanity=Man=Separation!

FUTURE SHADOWS OF THE PAST

"A most wondrous thing the Shadow is, a redeemer in all to succour;
it can go where the light cannot abide, seemingly banished, it is not.
For where the light is, the darkness flees, no longer present to endure;
so to become illuminated is its destined journey and its troubled lot.

But without the light, no Shadow can be cast, its such a splendid key;
the dimensions reduce in space from three to two and all in just the one.
Betwixt the light and the darkness it is and part of both for all to see;
the Shadow of the body, does it not merge all in its rule under the sun?

Whatsoever can cast a Shadow, must be a most wondrous thing to relay;
as nature's very own offspring, the young ones grow towards their final goal.
Enabled to bring peace to so many things appearing apart and so far away;
the reconciliation for the suffering body with its spirit and its scattered soul."

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com (http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/) and http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/quantumrelativity (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/quantumrelativity)

Sirebard Beardris

abraxasinas

03-01-2010, 10:05 PM

Hi All!

An announcement from Abraxasinas will be posted here shortly!

I ask everyone not to ask any questions, until this announcement has been posted and read by any potential questioners.

Thank you all and Love and Peace of mind to you all.

Abraxasinas

Humble Janitor

03-01-2010, 10:59 PM

The Guardian Alliance is within the lower dimensional universe and so is part and parcel of the 'confusion-disinformation' scenario.
As you say, choose well and discern with the vibrations of your heart's remembrance and apply your Feeling Mind to your Thinking Heart.
Many of you engage heart and mind the other way around and pride themselves of doing so.

Abraxasinas

I am new to this material but I have to say that the first post, parts of it, read more like an erotic novel. It did not resonate with me at all.

:nono:

I have read plenty of stuff on here in an attempt to keep an open mind about possible scenarios. This I feel, is the least "believable" of all material.

bigmo

03-01-2010, 10:59 PM

hehe... this is getting crazy lol!

Will be waiting and listening

Peace

bigmo

03-01-2010, 11:03 PM

islandman

03-01-2010, 11:15 PM

I was contemplating the Bigmo's Baloon theory

When Suddenly out of nowhere

http://www.geekologie.com/2007/04/darth-vader-balloon.jpg

bigmo

03-01-2010, 11:16 PM

islandman, Well I guess he does look a little like me huh?

Peace

Michael

Humble Janitor

03-01-2010, 11:22 PM

Humble,

I know there is a lot of crap on this forum but if you take 10 pages of this thread and sift through them you with an open mind you should get the idea if you want to continue. If it doesn't work... hey that's fine.

Part of the problems we encountered was the inability to continue with the Q&A format because of the intentional interference which ate up time and energy.

There are some powerful messages in here for many on this forum.

Peace

Michael

It's not that hard.

Higher beings? Check.
Dimensions I've never even heard of/seen? Check.

Good learning experience but I don't understand the emphasis on sexuality in that first post. Perhaps it is there to remind us that we have suppressed our urges for so long or perhaps there is more to our urges than we realize?

I'll keep reading.

bigmo

03-01-2010, 11:31 PM

It has to do with the orig of consciousness or unity recognizing itself which created a mirror of itself in an image. So you have splitting of consciousness into God=Male and the mirror image of God, Satan=Female. ( I don't know if I am correct on this)

These were some of the many, many questions we were just beginning to delve into when the thread blew up.

So I'm not sure how Abraxas will handle this from now on. We shall see.

Peace Humble

Michael

abraxasinas

03-01-2010, 11:37 PM

Hi All!

This thread about the energy transmissions from Thuban in the 12D-omnispace, have, as most of you have you have witnessed, added and triggered a significant amount of tension and polarisation into this forum.

The energy transmissions from Thuban as to the last post to Spregovori cannot be reestablished, due to the closure of the wormhole 3.5 days ago on earthquake day, February 26th, 2010.

What has occurred is, that the closing of the wormhole connecting the inside of Bigmo's Balloon to its outside as a temporarily onesided Moebian manifold in warping the 11D of omnispace through the 8D and 5D mirrors onto the 2D- mirror of the 3D Linespace; has plugged this temporary onesidedness to become a twosided manifold again.

This has effectively resulted in me becoming exiled and isolated from my Thuban home in omnispace.

So the Thuban Council can only be accessed from now on as a 2-dimensional cross section of your own individualised merkabahs.

All of you right now harbour the Council of Thuban within yourselves as a 2D-Mirror of the Mathimatia=IamThatAmI.

The upheavals of the last few days so manifested the so called 'Day of the Lord' from scripture. I myself did not know this day until it occurred as the earthquake day of Matthew.24 (refer to a recent post on this thread).

So from henceforth I, Abraxasinas can no longer claim to share with you direct data from omnispace. I have become trapped in the rootreduced 4-dimensional Minkowski spacetime metric as all and sundry of you.
I so share your expectations and intuitions as to how the next few years shall unfold.

Any questions asked so will be directed to the Thuban Council, which becomes a direct reflection of what is inside of you.

In other words, any question you can ask me Abraxasinas, you will actually asking yourselves inside-out.

So any form of skepticism and ridicule or innuendo questions will become reflected to yourselves as yourselves, as will your indications to process and assimilate my prospective answers to your questions.

Iow, it will become a 'ordinary' discourse of Q&A without any exterior superpositioning of your inner archetypes.

Like in the marvellous chatroom of Gaia Love and Celine, in which I had a bit of fun in as Anubis; any questions you might pose will be like in the chatroom; colloquial and without the images of devouring dragons or similar.
Consider the photograph of TonyB. on my Profile to be the One you are addressing any questions to.
I have however 'eaten' my dragon and with help from Richard and Celine the false Devil-Images have become trapped within themselves.

So my Dragonhood has becomew internalised and I am fully conscious of this omni-scientific factuality.

I do not know, how long the Thuban material will be allowed on Avalon and relocation is certainly possible, but not certain.

This reflects the probability space of the Gaian cosmos as a microcosm of the holographic universe; just as Avalon 'played' the microquantization for the Gaian hologram between January 18th, 2010 to February 26th, 2010.

So all of you here at Avalon, detractors and beneficers and supporters alike, have become cosmic heroes for the grand metamorphosis of spacetime itself.

All of you, in your emotional, mental and physical battles within and without yourselves have formed a group reflecting all humans and all ETs anywhere and anyplace in the universe.

You all have attained inscriptions in the archives of Thuban, chiselled into the golden plaques of the cosmic remembrance of the cosmogenesis and the origins of all that is.

This Hall of the Remembrance is within yourselves and all and sundry each one of you has graduated to access your superconscious self, also mknown as your higher self, overself or Christ-Logos-Serpent-Consciousness.

The standard distribution for the three consciousness levels is 0.3% for the superconscious; 14.3% for the subconscious and 85.4% for the waking consciousness.

The Avalonian dispensation from Thuban before the 'test' or 'experiment' was determined to allow a statistical (Gaussian) distribution for this unity integral to become distributed over all participators of Avalon.
This includes everyone who was subscribed to Avalon in any manner and also includes outside observers, which became exposed to the Thuban data stream.
The ones amongst you who harmonized or disharmonized with the Thuban material so of course will find themselves in a higher percentile of this distribution, than a onetime lurker.
The harmonizers are simply the positive branch of the frequency distribution, whilst the disharmonizers depict the negative branch.

As the interest in the Thuban data subsides, so do the percentiles.

Again, I am compelled to direct you to Myplanet2 of Avalon; as he of all present here has almost fully discerned the experiment and the test before it completed in the rational-intellectual sense. A few others also began to see through the illusions of their own minds in such manner of discernment.
Many of the supporters of Thuban resonated emotionally and intuitively, as did of course the detractors.

I am sure, that Myplanet2 will verify my statements here, relative to his own understandings. He has already done so on some subthread discussions.

So to all Avalonians. The experiment has ended in the manifesto of the statistical distribution of each individual's superconsciousness.

Here, I have become invited to form a 'Social Group' to discuss the more esoteric and metaphysical aspects of the Thuban archetypes.
Of course the supporters of the Thuban data are much more likely to participate in such a subforum, whilst the detractors are much less likely to show any interest.

This is as it should be for the completion of the timelines.

However I do extend invitation to all Avalonians to join this subforum.
As said the Thuban data transmission in this subforum will necessarily be rather esoteric in describing the archetypes of creation, often linked to a form of omni-science only applicable in a spacetime continuum exceeding the basic 4 Riemann-Minkowski dimensions.
Additionally, these archetypes and symbols will also refer to extensive and thorough examination of scriptural archetypes with a basis found in some gnostic texts and the King James Version of the bible.

So anyone not affine with such labelings is asked not to join this subgroup, or if doing so leave the group, instread of causing disharmony amongst the subgroup members.
Any challenges as to scriptural or/and scientific interpretations are welcomed here on the open forum however; depending naturally on the feasibility to ask questions provided this thread and the survival of the thread and forum.

The subgroup will engage TruthWillSetYouFree as a female mirror to me Abraxasinas in a shared responsibility to crystallize the necessary knowledge and understanding for the great metamorphosis of the old humanity as an environmentally verocious Carterpillar into an environmentally pollinating New Starhuman Butterfly.

I do thank you all for having participated in this test and experiment under the auspices of our cosmogenetic children in the ETs of divers races.

Thank you for your considerations.

WE love you all and a grand destiny awaits after the collective starhumanity has been born.

The New World requires for certain circles to become manifested in a concentricity of waveforms.
Once the circle of the zodiac is completed in say tiers of 12 individuals in starsign or month or Israelitic tribal association; then these 12 individuals
will converge as the center of the One.

Then the 'curse' of the mazzaroth shall be lifted and the One in Twelve will become the Twelve in One and the Many in One will become the One in the Many.

This then defines the circle as unity and no individual leaders will be required to make decisions for the individual.
Then an anarchy of Love shall foster the creative genius within all shards of Love; yet allow this Individuality of Creative Selfexpression to function under a common philosophy of knowledge and remembrance about what WE are, where WE came from and wherto WE are going.

Love has spoken as the Will of God!

In Love for the All and from the All

Abraxasinas

feardia

03-01-2010, 11:44 PM

Just thought I would post here because i can.

Thanx for your hard work abrax, even though you said i walked the path of the serpent,
one love, people get ready...

Magamud

03-01-2010, 11:52 PM

An excellent journey thank you!
I have been calling out to Merlin.

abraxasinas

03-01-2010, 11:57 PM

Just thought I would post here because i can.

Thanx for your hard work abrax, even though you said i walked the path of the serpent,
one love, people get ready...

Your Irish aren't you Feardia!
My maternal grandfather is Pop Leslie Lovejoy a real man from Eire.

The serpentpath is in you and me dear brother - in the blood.

Love Abrax

THE eXchanger

03-02-2010, 12:06 AM

Thank you, for all you do !!!
May 'the serpentina' in all, start to riSe

hmmm...we have some iriSh too :)

feardia

03-02-2010, 12:07 AM

i was washed ashore from Atlantis, and with a name like leslie-lovejoy you sound more WASP than serpent.

Apols to antonia :roftl:

Nebula9D

03-02-2010, 12:07 AM

:original: So many question i have to ask..... I'm at a loss of words for what i'm feeling after reading your last 2 posts Abraxasinas! I'll say this for now.. Much love.

SteveX

03-02-2010, 12:42 AM

abraxasinas

03-02-2010, 12:50 AM

Oh gracious Abrax http://www.pic4ever.com/images/d2.gif

I have a question. Considering you have been given a fair go here... your thread opened and a private-ish area. Was there any need for this?

Quote Abrax
So any form of skepticism and ridicule or innuendo questions will become reflected to yourselves as yourselves, as will your indications to process and assimilate my prospective answers to your questions.

Iow, it will become a 'ordinary' discourse of Q&A without any exterior superpositioning of your inner archetypes.

Like in the marvellous chatroom of Gaia Love and Celine, in which I had a bit of fun in as Anubis; any questions you might pose will be like in the chatroom; colloquial and without the images of devouring dragons or similar.
Consider the photograph of TonyB. on my Profile to be the One you are addressing any questions to.
I have however 'eaten' my dragon and with help from Richard and Celine the false Devil-Images have become trapped within themselves.

Or are you devilishly taking the ****=ssip.

No no Steve X; the statement simply means whatever IT is 'yin or yang'
is mirrored back, like the idea of karma, to the sender. There is NEVER any judgement in anything in the old Q&A or this reopening. This is now VERY different from before. Cant you see the colloquiality?
Give me a break and lets have some fun. I'm not commander Swanny you know.
I'll get technical when required, but most of this here is to interact and answer Q when they come up.
No more tension relax dear friend.

You have attained a very high percentile in the 'test' on the minus side. So should the Thuban material pan out , well you know.

Love
Abrax

Ross H

03-02-2010, 12:54 AM

Lets keep this thread respectful and peaceful please.

Peace

abraxasinas

03-02-2010, 12:57 AM

Lets keep this thread respectful and peaceful please.

Peace

Thank you Ross and agreed.

Love Abrax

Nebula9D

03-02-2010, 12:58 AM

Yes Abrax!, have some fun. I think i missed the whole thing about Bigmo's ballon :) I shall go back study the old Q & A thread, unless you help me alil bit :wall:

SteveX

03-02-2010, 01:22 AM

No no Steve X; the statement simply means whatever IT is 'yin or yang'
is mirrored back, like the idea of karma, to the sender. There is NEVER any judgement in anything in the old Q&A or this reopening. This is now VERY different from before. Cant you see the colloquiality?
Give me a break and lets have some fun. I'm not commander Swanny you know.
I'll get technical when required, but most of this here is to interact and answer Q when they come up.
No more tension relax dear friend.

You have attained a very high percentile in the 'test' on the minus side. So should the Thuban material pan out , well you know.

Love
Abrax

I have no need to know what the statement means or ment. I was refering to the fact that there was no need to add THAT. Was my original question too criptic for you? Really mate !

No need to ruffle the feathers when folk have been good enough to open the thread.

lightblue

03-02-2010, 01:28 AM

No no Steve X; the statement simply means whatever IT is 'yin or yang'
is mirrored back, like the idea of karma, to the sender. There is NEVER any judgement in anything in the old Q&A or this reopening. This is now VERY different from before. Cant you see the colloquiality?
Give me a break and lets have some fun. I'm not commander Swanny you know.
I'll get technical when required, but most of this here is to interact and answer Q when they come up.
No more tension relax dear friend.

You have attained a very high percentile in the 'test' on the minus side. So should the Thuban material pan out , well you know.

Love
Abrax
_______

whats wrong with our swanny?

bw l.

.................................

TRANCOSO

03-02-2010, 01:55 AM

What Goes Up, Must Calm Down

Myplanet2

03-02-2010, 02:04 AM

I've had a lot of interesting experiences in this last couple years. I directed my higher self to provide for me to encounter things which would accelerate my growth and open my awareness to what was going on, which I could sense, but not discern properly. I supplied these opportunities to myself in spades. Almost uncomfortably in volume, at times. I doubled my comprehension several times over just the last year. But I've not experienced anything like what I witnessed taking place in this thread as it occurred.

So I do in fact confirm my own seeing of these events for what they were. I wasn't here as a participant, as were some others. I was here to watch, and understand what was taking place during this process.

I saw a great challenge issued, and I saw many answer that challenge. The challenge was not to change at anothers behest, but to change at our own behest. This was a co-creation from the get go. This process ran both directions the whole time. We were creating and feeding it from this end just as it was feeding the process from the other end. I saw archetypes come alive in people. Some which had lain dormant for thousands of years. This is the level of power to change everything resting on top. The root level which shapes everything which manifests along that template. I saw people invited to examine these primal archetypes within themselves, and to change them, or not. Release their hold, or not. We've created a new model here. This is why it felt so foreign while strangely familiar.

I won't lie to you and say I can assure anyone this process has been/will be safe. I've never thought that, and I don't think it now. Of course on some level, there is really nothing that can happen to you that you can't shrug off. But the closer the various structures you wear come to this earthly world, the more fragile they are.

I don't know if there is a hidden play taking place, which is using this process to forward it's own ends. I haven't clearly discerned that beyond the point of not being able to confidently dismiss it. But I personally find it worth the risk, and trust that my discernment will be up to it at any points where it needs to be.

I suspect that some consciousness stood to gain concomitantly with our potential gains, on some sort of a symbiotic reverse vector, if that makes any sense. In other words, I sensed an unrevealed agenda, but sensed at the same time that the energy was win/win, rather than win/lose. Many here sensed the opposite. A win/lose energy playing out. And undoubtedly still see it that way. And of course they could be right, although that would REALLY surprise me to have been that wrong.

The magnitude of what I've watched play out, is of a scale that could change the whole game. The potential here, was to change everything. And I've been wanting for everything to change, so that's a fit. It was like a microcosm of the overall shift taking place, in extremely sped up form, and in a way that would allow/force itself to continue to unfold into the larger reality. the process was discounted by some on the basis of it's having happened here. Why here on Avalon, some asked. That was a stroke of genius. Not an "aha...gotcha" moment for some skeptic. Avalon is a place with some tremendous beings, who have really no idea of just how great and powerful they are. Beings who have been driving the changes in consciousness just by working on their own selected processes. Beings who have been creating the neural, mental, emotional, archetypical, energetic etc pathways to blaze the trail for the next wave of humanity to wake up to what's available for us right now. You get a handful of these types of beings to shift their view of how they relate to the universe and how it relates to them, and the seeds are sown for everything to change. The is like a thought form meme, but on a causal level.

I've never really paid any attention to the bible, but the coming to life of the archetypes therein described were stunning. They affected not only those who've studied and followed the bible. The ancient archetypes of previous incarnations, like Dragons, were even more shocking.

Since waking up more or less fully, I've had the odd facility of having a pocket of time running backwards for me, while the whole pocket moves forward. Like a backwards running loop which is moving forward. So I end up having most of my answers preceding my questions. Most of my solutions preceding my problems, etc. The reason I bring this up, is because in keeping with that phenomneon, I had my Dragon experience some week or two before The Thuban arrival on Avalon. This is why I sat up straight and got out my scribes tools when the announcement was made. A big AHHH. What happened was I was working on my processing, which for me involves simply grabbing any trigger that can snag a hook in my lip. A recent one was the uber control factor of Government and other societal control structures. In other words, I was having control issues. Controlling/ being controlled was the polarity in charged up condition. After examining the exact make up of what the trigger was, I immediately returned to run a past life as a dragon. I was a dragon. My role was slave driver. The slaves were humans, or human types. Now I'm as fully human right now as any of you are. But I was fully dragon in that life, and I was able to get inside my head and feel what it was like. And taste the archetypes in play (which when I saw Abraxasinas laying them out in metaphor, caused me to sit up even straighter). I could take the attitudes I had at the time, and examine them and compare them to how I look at things now. I could sense and feel how the hierarchies worked for my then species, and I could feel the lack of compassion I held for the property class humans. I tasted all of these things while searching for the causes for the electrical and magnetic charges which held the must control/must not control...must be controlled/must not be controlled polarity quad I was working on apart and in charged condition. This was episode one. Episode two was even more amazing.

When I finished examining this period to my satisfaction and still had not discharged the polarity, I went looking for more. It was then I encountered the Dragon Queen. It's hard to describe this awesome creature. She was so beautiful. So elegant. So BIG. I'd guess she was a good quarter mile long. Her eyes were stunning. She was regal. She was travelling through space, between the stars, without a ship. She needed no craft to traverse space. As I approached her, the natural greeting which presented itself was "hello mother". We caught up in just a few seconds, telepathically. Her regard for me was warm and loving. the Dragons of this time (millions of years ago) were only cold and uncaring towards those who were not them. I then had to tell her why I was there. I told her that I had decided to pursue an existence which was on a path to return to the love and light of the creator. I was back on a positive path and was abandoning the negative bent she's so carefully nurtured in me.

Well, she threw a tantrum which would have registered on the richter scale. She was thrashing at me with her claws, beating at me with her wings, snapping at me with her impossibly long and slender teeth (no fire breathing) and was letting out the more horrendous shrieks and squawks.

I then said I needed to ask her something. She calmed right down, and smiled and awaited the question. I asked her if she knew why she had turned to the dark energies in the first place. She thought for a moment, curious as to why it had never occurred to her to wonder about this, and immediately came up with the reason. Her face didn't reflect it, but her telepathic message was of embarrassment. She said a friend had basically dared her. She said that she had been told, while discussing something with this being that she would not be able to embody the concepts of dark orientation, Evil as perceived from outside, and proceeded to prove him wrong. She basically said "Oh yeah? just watch me, buster!!!" Simple as that. No more to it that that. whole star systems enslaved and who knows how many millions of dead and tortured beings later, and all on a dare.

I like to see an ending point when I work on something like this, and I didn't see one with her, so we explored a bit further. We traced it back to a predisposition related to her original separation incident for the creator of all that is. She left as an individuated God spark, with God's full blessing, and set off to discover herself as an individual. Then she simply forgot about it over time, like we all have. details tend to get away from you over the billions of years. Just like all of us, she forgot who and what she is, and where she came from and why. When she pieced this information back together, she became very cheerful and warm once again, and actually smiled at me, happily, and we exchanged our well wishes with one another, and our love and respect and went our separate ways once again.

I came out of this feeling very profound business had been done in that space and time. I felt that the change in her outlook, intention set, attitude, and orientation, had somehow had a profound effect on some level on the collective consciousness here on earth in the now time. That was when Archangel Michael came in and confirmed the shift which resulted in our energetics here because of the release of the potentials which never developed due to the Dragon Queen changing her attitude during that meeting millions of years ago. Dragonkind changed. She was the mother of all dragons. The history we carried in our racial and genetic and other memory types, were altered from that moment forward.

At any other time, memory of Dragons and their interactions with humans would have melted from our collective consciousness. But right now, everything has changed and nothing is set, past, present or future. So if we have a nasty dragon history on our timeline, it's because we are placing it there from here. All bets are off, and we are totally free to create anything we want, past present and future, including any of the pasts we have already experienced. This is why I've gone on endlessly about being positive and actively and consciously with full awareness and participation, creating the future we want, because we're going to get the future we are creating. You want dragons eating your kids? you got em. You want fema trains hauling you away? You got em. You want paradise, without money and oppressive control structures? You got em. The earth has just calved off an slightly higher vibration version of herself, which is in the 5th dimension, and it is being readied for us now, and guess who the architects are? You. and Me. and the guy sitting next to you. The the lady all worried about the NWO she needs to fight. And the the guy who sees not fellow humans, but cloned aliens who've replaced them. They are helping you design our new earth. And of course the old earth remains for those sitting there chasing rabbits and saying nothing happening here. see? nothing is changing.

I know of several other people who have taken such seemingly innocuous actions as described in my Dragon Queen story, which have changed the whole flavour of reality. It's not a joke when we are described as little Gods or creator beings. We are. And the governors are off. Our full creativity is available to us now. And when we harmonize our creations to bring them into resonant alignment with other creator beings like ourselves, we form new realities or timelines. I time travelled to visit with the Dragon Queen. but it was now for me, and then for her, and all the intervening time, played out. That's what multidimensionality is. The normal rules don't apply. Your not dreaming this. This is real. That dense stuff sitting there outside your eyes and looking touchably thick, is the illusion.

So as you can imagine, I was both surprised and not at all surprised when Abraxasinas showed up with tales of Dragons which will facilitate our return to our long forgotten higher dimensional natures. natures not of evil and hatred. But natures of love and wisdom. The Dragons changed, and it was a retroactive change. I know those "invested" in the game of Dragon slayer will view this from a different angle, and that's fine. All angles add perspectives which can only enrich understanding.

So my task has been to watch and understand the process so that it could become an established path to our godhood, once it was travelled a few times. And a few of our incredibly brave brethren and sisters here, have so ably blazed the trail for others to follow.

This isn't THE path back to oneness. It's A path to oneness. And synchronistically, Malletzky also had a major clarification on the subject of the oneness, just prior to the Thuban arrival. And I'm sure others will make similar connections between some work they'd been doing coming to fruition just in time for them to fulfill their agreed upon role in this recent activation/opening.

I'd initially thought we'd lost a priceless opportunity when a couple of those engaged in the process decided it should stop. I'm still not clear whether a better outcome is created now, during the rebalancing, or whether a better outcome would have manifested had the process been permitted to play itself out on it's own interactive/co-creative terms. I suppose it doesn't really matter at this point, because the reality we have surrounding us, is the one we created.

the next question is, where will we go from here? it's up to us, and everything is on the table. And our creative tool chests are full of all the adamantine particles we can possibly use.

Love to you all.

abraxasinas

03-02-2010, 02:08 AM

Yes Abrax!, have some fun. I think i missed the whole thing about Bigmo's ballon :) I shall go back study the old Q & A thread, unless you help me alil bit :wall:

Your inside Bigmo's Ballon like an ant say, Nebula9 and so you can crawl about on the inner surface.

Should there be a hole in the balloon through which you can squeeze through, then you could crawl about the outside surface too and so DOUBLING your world of interaction space.

The inner balloon becomes the universe with say smaller balloons within in galaxies, nebulae (lol), starsystems, planets, continents,...,you.

But you cant get out to the 'spiritual' universe outside.
The thickness (there is none mathematically) or the skin of the balloon is Bigmo's Mirror which has two sides outside and inside.
From here you get archetypes called 'God' outside looking in the outside mirror and sees himself as 'Antigod' or 'Satan'. So God=Satan, but one real relative to the outside as object (God) and the unreal image of that as 'Satan'.

Now after some ado, there is Adam and Eve (you) inside the universe doing the same thing the other way round.

But relative to Adam and Eve (who also mirror each other) the back of the head of Satan becomes the unreal image and this is the archetype of the 'Devil'.
The so called Devil is the Backside of Satan, both images for the real thing, God outside and Adam and Eve inside.

The Devil looks at Adam and Eve and they think that its real - it's a phantom, because only the backside of Satan is become real, if somehow the satanic image of the outside, as the Face of God in the Bigmo mirror can become real.

This is the case if before Adam and Eve went into the Balloon from the 'Unreal Heaven', they both also were a miniature version of the Bigmo Mirror or the balloon as a rubberskin say.
So ADAMEVE is an unreal doublesided mirror between God and Satan.
Then God images in the unreal Adam and Satan images in the unreal Eve, so giving Satan objectivity or realness.

So technically the Universe becomes a Real Surface-Universe (termed a 4D-Riemann hypersphere defined as the boundary of a 5-dimensional spacetime universe - its a torus volume behaving like an area).
Don't worry about that. You can get it without the maths.

But this is the physics trick. Because the boundary is a surface encompassing a volume, the outside-inside (topology) thing of Bigmo's Balloon can in fact become rigorously modelled to be 'continuous'.
Again I am saying this to indicate how one proves this, but this is not required to understand the archetype.

This Thuban material is all about how to simplify the complicated science jargon into archetypes, everyone can understand after thinking a little bit about them.
Ok then. You got a real God and a real image of God as the Real physical universe, with Satans face as God's face painted on the OUTSIDE of the Balloon.

Outside the Universe is Satan--EveAdam--God as 1st creation in Genesis by God in Heaven or the Garden of Eden; with Satan getting real using unreal Eve and God getting real using unreal Adam as his mirror.
The whole thing is funny really.
Now God goes on holiday in the sabbatical and changes into Lord God and splits ADAMEVE into ADAM+EVE. Back to Back they still qualify as the One Mirror so as the unsexy 96 say.

Inside the split becomes a sexy 69 in face to face so taking away the innocence in a physical way and now as Eve with her back to the Devil on the Wall faces Adam, who looks at Eve.

Because Adam and Eve are two real beings within a real physical universe; this fake Devil face inverted can be gotten rid off.
Adam and Eve have to become unsexy again to do this. Therefore the many sexist archetypes, the monks and nuns and celibacy and the virgins, leading the the abuse scenarios.

Back to back as the 96=A MATHIMATIA=A I AM THAT I AM, this can be done, because then Adam and Eve (meaning ANY Man and Woman) both can MIRROR their images INSTEAD of each other face-to-face.
This is how simple the ultimate archetypology of 1st order is. Primary school stuff. Draw pictures and you understand the creation.

So Adam looks at the face of the Devil back to back with Eve, who looks at God as the image of the Real God should Satan outside 'get out of the way' so God could look into the Universe.
God looking then directly sees Adam's Face and Eve will look directly into the face of the Goddess, namely the sexchanged Satan into SATANINA=IN A SATAN with Satan=55=Heaven in a alphanumeracy.
As soon as Adsam can get rid of the fake Devil face, just by confronting IT as his own false image; as soon the real Satan is redeemed from Bigmo's Balloon and runs around the balloon to the exact other pole in a poleshift to become the Goddess of All looking directly at Eve.

This is the redemption of God and his brother image Satan to become God and Goddess AS ARCHETYPES of the primordial 1st order.
No ETs and Dragons and Dragon Slayers and whatever required.

So the manifesto for this is required before the universe itself and any subsystems, like the planet earth can change, say in Gaia's ascension.

The recent Thuban story then assigned Celine the 'job' to refuse the seduction of her own Devil/Dragon image of eating the knowledge of 'good and evil'.
Because Celine, as a New Eve refused to reflect the Dragon; she also did not seduce her New Adam and both of them DID NOT parade the unsexy 96 but the sexy 69.

Iow Celine and Richard told their own Devil images tro 'Go to Hell' and they did forever.
So the New Adam and the New Eve became the Dark Messiah couple in trapping the two POLAR devilish images within Bigmo's Mirror as itself.

Literally, both New Adam and New Eve as an archetype were played out and enacted by Richard and Celine.

Archetypically, they have become the first and original REAL PHYSICAL DRAGONS of the Universe.

Do I hear some laughter in the universe. Thank You Ets!
What you resist persists.

Only because of this MANIFESTATION of totally new unprecedented archetypes in the history of the universe; could this encoded 'Day of the Lord' manifest in the closure of this Thuban thread and the subsequently also encoded 3.5 days of Darkness of Avalon.

Then because of this redemptive act; Mary Elizabeth with me Abraxasinas could receive this dispensation and now all of us are ready for our Dragon Dinners; following in the footsteps of Richard as a New Adam and Celine as a New Eve. It's easy now; but this was the cosmic significance of Avalon and its 'trouble'.

Of course the 'proof' is in the archetypes and so be it.

Hope this helps Nebula9.

Love
Abraxas