Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

[abraxasinas]

How is it exactly that we master our own thoughts?

By what 'reference' point of determination do we begin this process; this self mastery?
The reference point for you is the statement: I Am Bigmo!

Doesn't the term 'self mastery' connote a condition by which we have made (past tense) 'decisions' that inherently and by their very nature, require judgments?

I Am Bigmo Now and before I was Bigmo too. How is the Now Bigmo different from the before Bigmo? This is NOT judgement of self, but self-observation.

And if we are making 'judgements' in these determinations (what action or thought process we choose to take) then by what 'code' or 'reference of cosmic awareness', do we use to determine whether our judgments will reflect (mirror) the outcome of self mastery?

Observations not judgements.

If it is as simple as: "Love your neighbor as yourself." then that 'code' or 'reference of cosmic awareness' would be the premise by which all thoughts, judgments and hence actions would be weighted against in determining the right judgment.

In a way; the superconscious self is obscured by the self-observations evaluated by the waking consciousness and coloured by the subconscious. The superconscious attemps however to crystallize the concept of unity with all things by the Individual Logos communicating with the Universal Logos.

Nothing new here and certainly common enough ideas to be sure.

So there must be something that we are missing in our understanding? Something about this 'code' as it manifest within our 3D experience that inhibits us from grasping the simple 'awareness' that leads us to self mastery. What is that?

Your obscured superconsciousness and the KNOWING not belief, that you are BOTH a separated Inmdividual AND the ONLY ONE existing.


Peace

AA

[abraxasinas]

Does the knowledge of Thuban reside in the Akashic Records?


Only to the extent that it has been published here or at the related links.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hello Abraxas,

What of the "Forty Six and Two" theory.......



......do you agree with?


Peace:original:


joey

Yes Joey, I agree with Drunvalo here.

The great Apes still carry 24 chromosome pairs.
About 5 million years ago the ape lineages split genetrically from the lineage evolving into the hominids.
This split fused the 2-Chromosome for the hominid line, but kept the 2-Chromosome as a pair in the apes.

This then reduced the chromosome pair count in the human to 23.

The 'defusing' of a chromosome into a pairing, not necessarily the 2- Chromosome, so will render the human genome as a 48 count again.

My information is, that the defusing will occur in one of the female X-chromosomes.

The symbol is the X=Y+1 in that one of the four digits making the X will separate (as a real physical rib of Adam) to mutate one of the mother's X-chromosomes into a female Y-chromosome.

This will 'resurrect' the original metaphysical supersymmetry YX|XY before the physical universe exited.

The reproductive quadroplex so will be:
YfXm+YfYm+XfXm+XfYm replacing the present YfX1+YfX2+XfX1+XfX2

So if you assign the present female X2 a 'disguised' Y polarity; then everyone's quadroplex carries a say Sodomic YfX2 and a Gommorahic XfX2 same sex attraction within the quadroplex and deriving from the undifferentiated XX-Babylon sexchromosomatic coupling.

Iow, everyone in the new dispensation will carry a harmonious distribution of the previously disguised maleness chromosome as a then renormalised and unified genetic selfexpression. This Thuban science labels the Natural Bisexuality of the StarHumanity in the HeShe-SheHe couplings and as indicated by the Logos in:

Matthew 22:30 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Matthew+22:30&version=KJV)
For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

AA

[abraxasinas]

I need additional clarification regarding - Logos, to understand the last answers.

I admit i was rather surprised...a lot of yes answers. It seems i can do better than i would think...think of myself...

Universal Logos = Christos = Forethought = Mosaic Law = Oneness = Source Energy ?

Universal Logos=Christos=Forethought
Mosaic Law=Voided by the Logos in New Law as per NT
Oneness=Source Energy


Each individual has its own Logos?

Yes.

Logos of each individual have an effect on the Universal Logos?

Yes.

Universal Logos can, in time, be changed via individual Logos?

Universal Logos=Unity Template of Christos=Logos Spregovori+Logos X +Logos Y+...+...

By changing the Universal Logos = change of the archetypes?

No the Universal Logos is the only Logos, which CAN change archetypes. All individuated Logi can however attempt to change archetypes in the Name of the Universal Logos. Then if the Universal Logos agrees, the archetypes change.

So theoretically...sometime in the future...everything can be/will be different?

Things change every Now-Moment=Quantum of Time=1 3thousandth millionth billionth trillionth of a cosmic second.

What does it mean to surrender to the Logos /Universal Logos?
How does one do that?

You are surrendering to the Oneness of the universe in allowing your individual Logos to become a servant of the Universal Logos. This servitude is however cocreativity in partnership, say like a 'think tank' or a family discussion group or council.

There are also other questions but at the moment i can not form them in most possible (for me) logical way (to make them as clear and as basic as possible).

You are doing just fine.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abrax,

I would say that the interface between consciousness and memory is of utmost importance. What you say abrax?

To discuss this with you in a meaningful way, the terms 'consciousness' and 'memory' require definition. I did this before and was grossly misunderstood. To reurgitate philosophical treatisizes and 'schools of thoughts' does not result in progress, because the scientific definition for the terms are so vague and underdeveloped.

The only way for me to reply to you would so be for you to ask specific and not generalised questions as in the above.

But to try in a nontechnical manner; 'Consciousness' is a property of space itself. Without space no consciousness coupled to physicality can exist.
Then 'memory' relates to information storage, this information being obtained by spacetime interaction.
So consciousness relates to space relates to memory.
This memory CAN be modelled on that of an electro capacitor.
This then relates the capacity of space to collect and harbour energy in a storable way.
So this data-energy must become related to the energy pathways permeating the dynamics of space interaction.
So we return to what space is in terms of energy and where this energy does not have to be conserved in the material, say entropic sense; but MUST be more fundamentally linked to the data existing BEFORE space existed.
So the metaphysics enters in a data=energy nonmaterialised.
Then the data=imaginary before materiality and requires definition of a preenergy or a metaphysical superenergy (just labels).
This is your P=NP halting problem.
Whatever subsets you may create, the unity (say the NP) persists and CANNOT be subdivided.
As soon as you partition the VOID=Eternity, the hierarchies and holofractal nestings appear and by the Goedel Paradox of the Incompleteness, you require a STRONGER AXIOM or criteria to 'prove' the axioms.
The strongest axiom so is the NP-Unity as the Universal Set say.

etc. etc.



Where does your consciousness and memory reside Abrax?

Within the 11D-electromagnetically bounded universe, Uncle John. The quant count is a googol of so 147 digits.


Who has hidden access or control over either?

The Universal Logos, because IT alone spans and encompasses the spacetime quanta in summation and completion and expansion.

Thanks Uncle John

Your welcome

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abrax, well it is very late here, but i was determined to read through all the posts i have missed the last few days i have not been on Avalon.
Whilst i find all the numerical side of your writings a little confusing a pattern is beginning to form in my mind and i still struggle with some and feel totally inadequate at times with all these teachings i would like to say it has been an exciting read.
I am glad the posts have turned a little more positive i felt in previous posts that some were becoming and feeling a little overwhelmed with your work a little dark.
I understand that light and darkness was created and both has a part to play in this creation each playing against the other or mirroring in your words another way of describing it.
I also understand if i am correct and please correct me of i am wrong that when the new earth this 4th density which comes with the ascension will be totally thought form.
Free from solid matter then?

No Jacqui, the 3D earth will be the SEED for the 4D earth and the present solidity will be like the kernel of a peach say. The softness of the peach is somewhat like the 4D, in that a fluidity of form will accompany the present 3D rigidity. This analogy is technically inaccurate, as the peach is 3D and not 4D, but the simili is valid.

But we would have the free will to create in a rudimentary form.

I have always believed that we all need to be as innocent children again having none judgemental beliefs and seeing with heart not so much with the mind i know this has been instilled within us being indoctrinated into certain belief systems/religions/education and i guess worse of all our own parents setting a pattern which turned us basically into them.
When i look into the eyes of those innocent ones those tiny babies i see the true love the oneness which so sadly is lost, within a few months of birth.

Yes, whenever you look into the eyes of a newborn baby or puppy or kitten or such you are witnessing the presence of God. It is still there in the pets, if you have treated them honorably. The kids are forced by their environs to become like little egomaniacs, just to survive and this will change.


I have been trying to connect back to past memories some have been given but so much more to understand.
I have also been having vast knowledge relayed to me recently continuously most evenings in a sleep state, very revealing to and i may add emotional things for me which i have always known since a little girl of who what i am.

I am a sceptic, strange thing to say really when i have my own experiences i do believe others i do not doubt and would never say this was not truth or is the truth i seem to have a mechanism within me that seems to click on when i read or take any information in, i am often told to use this mechanism and still i ask myself can i believe.

I had an encounter a year ago with two reptilians, this changed my life i was attacked by one it was a horrific attack and i guess i am still coming to terms with it.
If it wasn't for the mark they left on my right arm i may have questioned if it happened because it was like a nightmare but the mark substantiated this experience to be true.
I have been trying to find answers for this attack and why it happened to me, these were two warlords predator type beings.
I was told by the one that attacked me that "He had been looking for me for a long time" which made me feel he knew me and if he did how?

I don't know why i am telling you this i have wrote about this numerous times on this site and i should think most are sick of hearing about it now, but this was a very true and deep experience for me.
Someone asked me once was you frightened well yes of course i was, but you know one of the two preds was very kind to me and actually helped me and gave me healing. So i look at it differently now because i now know that not all reps are bad, as they are portrayed to be, just as we have good and bad in humans i realise we have good and bad in other races.
I have not entirely forgiven the one that attacked me i still find it hard but i know i must, i just want answers why me!

I have tried to be a good person all my life, i love all of creators creatures, i have spoken to mother earth she has helped me when i needed answers to questions i could not answer for myself.
I do believe i have been a victim of certain things which happen on this Earth, and i feel humans get a raw deal sometimes, being so dumbed down/memory loss and control, and i do feel we are controlled to extent we can not be the soul purpose of our problems there have been outer forces at and also.
Yet i know i have come here for this time to take on a commission as sort as so many today have.

The rep attack you experienced can have many causes Jacqui. I'll try to derive some info...
Ok, this is what I saw.
At a time long ago, you 'stole some eggs' from a reptilian nest.
Now this might have been say 5 million years ago and you were not in human form, but in an early hominid form, say that of a Australopithecine or Homo Ergaster or HomoErectus.
You had children yourself and you foraged for food to feed your young ones.
Now something strange happened, because you saw the reptiles, say a pair of prehistoric crocodiles look for their young.
You felt this strange emotion then, that you had 'taken their children' to feed your own and a sense of guilt in a mother's empathy entered your consciousness and selfawareness.

From this time onward, you felt a strange affinity with the Crocodiles, yet you alse feared them because of your guilt.
Subsequently, over millions of years, you never processed those 'strange emotions' of empathy coupled to guilt and fear and your lifetime incarnations followed you through to this time, where your reptilian brainstem has awakened to finally process your million year old encounter.

A thoughtform for the processing then resulted in your nightmare coupled to a psychophysical marking from the superconscious.
This thoughtform was your empathy of imagining what you would do to the crocodile, should it attempt to 'steal or abduct' your children to feel its young.

The mirror image of this of course became the reptoid pursuing you and exclaiming:
"I have been looking for you!"

Your writing has been in depth and intriguing.
thank Abrax.


AA

[abraxasinas]

Greetings abraxasinas, (http://projectavalon.net/forum/member.php?u=10275)

Thank you for your previous replies to my questions.

I wish to ask you personally.

Do you personally eat animals?

From the Thuban perspective I do not require food intake, related to the programmed lightbody following the metamorphosis,
From the human perspective I eat mainly vegetables and fluids, some fish and little meat.

Do the Thuban Council recommend eating animals (unnecessarily) to people who wish to access higher vibratory dimensions?

Have you been to the Inuit country? There the diet is almost exclusively seal and fish; simply because nothing else is available there.
So your label of 'unnecessarily' is inappropriate in the Inuit country.

And yet the Inuit honours its seals and certainly does not engage in wanton slaughter. The seal is a close relative to the bear and the canines and so is rather closely affiliated with the consciousness evolution of the species interactions and the consciousness as a whole.

Or do they recommend eating a vegerarian diet to people who wish to access higher vibratory dimensions?

Yes, generally a vegetarian diet high in alkaloids is more suitable for the human vessel and circulatory systems (endocrine, blood, nerve, intestinal etc); both in the ease of digestion and the containment of the biochemical nutrients.

Or they don't recommend either of the above as in their perception it does not matter?

We do not sit in judgement about what anyone eats. We observe what the 'health effects' are in the intake of substances and foods and then, following analysis, we may publish our conclusions.
One example would be alcohol in moderation has been found to be beneficial for the biochemical reactor; whilst the intake of artifical nicotine products has shown no beneficial effects at all, but has indicated many health problems.


Do the Thuban council recognise that it is unnecessary for humans to eat animals?

Yes, whilst the human genus has evolved to be omniverous, say with canine teeth reducing from the say canine or feline emphasis; a vegetarian diet can be entertained by finding appropriate substitutes for the proteins and vitamins required by the biochemical reactors.


P.S. I don't eat my friends the animals unnecessarily...in a world of abundance in the west at least ... it always looks unnecessary to eat our friends.

You are forgetting that animals eat animals and so some of your friends eat some of your other friends. I DO agree with your sentiments, but the time of the lion eating straw has not yet come. And yes there is no unnecessary 'slaughter and eating' amongst your friends.

P.S. Don't our friends the animals enjoy ever right to a long happy life absorbing and processing the experiences of the earth program from their perscpective. Their purpose as a learning function is surely more than just becoming fertiliser.

Yes, you have not understood my replies and are biased towards your own understandings and database.
The little ant in your garden is connected to ET intelligence and this is more than fertilizer, but relates to the Sharing of Consciousness.

P.S. I try to be harmonic. Love for me is harmonic. It does no harm! Killing an animal unnecessarily seems to be disharmonic to me? Eating the fruit form a tree and killing an animal seem very different things in terms of maintianing harmony.

That is what I said in my reply.

At the end of the day, I wish to experience harmony so I try to live as harmoniously as I can without inflicting the great horror/ pain upon my friends the animals. Why is this so hard for humans to understand?

What about the disabled zebra being attacked by a pride of female lions and being torn apart. This part of the 'Nature in Agony' has NO human input at all. Your sentiments are from the heart and in the 'New World' the zebra will NOT be food for the lions. Physical reality of the old world is more violent, as the 'sharing of consciousness' is 'forced' by nature's self-evolution.


Wishing Peace and the end of ignorance to all sentient beings!

To sit in judgement about the Natural World and its selfexpression can be considered to be a form of ignorance.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas --

I was reading some of the material i found on (one of??) your website(s) ..... some info apparently given by a reptilian from a race that has lived underground here for a long time. in general, i found it extremely interesting. the following question comes after an exchange where Lacerte (this reptilian's "name") tells her human interviewer that one or more of the "3 hostile alien races" here (she insists her race is not hostile to humans) have plans which somehow will cause harm to humans/humanity. Cue the interviewer:

Question: Will the other extraterrestrial species undertake nothing against these war-like actions? Specifically, something ought to be on Earth for the more highly developed species.

Answer: You're wrong there. Specifically, for the more highly developed species there is simply at the very least your fate. You are animals for them. Animals in a very large lab. Understandably, an alien intervention on your planet would disturb their projects, but I don't think that they accept a confrontation with other species for it. Many of them could look for another research planet for themselves or they could study over a long distance your behavior and your consciousness/awareness, since crisis situations could have an attraction for their studies. Whenever you people take a look at an ant hill, and another person comes along and steps on the ant hill, what do you do? You go on your way, or you search for another ant hill or you observe the ants in their crisis condition. But would one of you —even though he were larger and more powerful than the one who stepped on the ant hill in the first place— defend the meaningless ants? No. You have to imagine for yourself the viewpoint of the more highly advanced creatures. You are the ants. Don't expect any help from them.

AA -- what is your/Thuban perspective on this "alien's" answer?

I agree- You are the ants! This reference of yours seems unfamiliar. Could you give me the URL of where you found this. It is NOT Thuban material, but a background material for me to have commented upon to make a point just as this - You are the ants!

and, one more question ....

Do Thubans or "Dragonized" consciousness have any inherently closer relationship to reptilian races than, say, 3-d humans do? i.e., do the archetypes of dragon/serpent as related to the original plan for this creation imply any special or "familial" connection between reptilian species and the body-mind-spirit complex known as Yeshua/Melchizidek [Logos]? (hope you can make some sense of what i'm trying to get-at here?!?)

Yes, the simple equation is: Old Human+Dragon=StarHuman.
The Old Human is the reptilian brainstem, common to all vertebrates following the Reptilian emergence. The New Human then has a Dragon-Brain adding to the Triune Brain of present taxonomic classification.

A reference is Carl Sagan's book: The Dragons of Eden.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dragons_of_Eden (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dragons_of_Eden)

The fourth part, i.e. the DragonBrain is the Melchizedek or Plumed Serpent agency.


As always, Abraxasinas, thanks so very much! :wub2:

Hippihill

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hi All,

Haven't been here in a while, i have lightyears of infomation to catch up :) Thank you Abrax.




Good Question Bigmo. Abrax i wish to add to the question above. Are the Akashic Records the same as The Tablets of ALL. Or are all these names referring to the same thing?


The Akashic Records are a commonly accepted (and so potently archetyped) label for the sum total Memory of the universe collected in relationship with the existence of the human template.

The metaphysical human template is as old as the universe itself; but the physical groupmind memory for this template is only about 20 million years old.

So since the Old World Monkeys of the Miocene (lasting from about 23 to 5 million years ago) and then in the Pliocene (to about 2.6 million years ago, when Homo Habilis appeared from the Australopithecines) and the last iceage ending the Pleistocene 12,000 BC (of Modern Man) - the Akashic Records collected data with respect the hominid evolution.

The Thuban records so encompass the Akashic Records in the archetypology applied to the humanoid template in metaphysical rather than in the physical terms of the Akash.
I am unfamiliar with your label Tablets of All. If this refers to the Mosaic Commandments, then the Thuban perspective is that the Mosaic Stories are archetypical in large extent and NOT grounded in physicalised history (which can be said to begin after the 'age of the judges' with King David and King Solomon so 1000 BC).

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abraxas!

I loved your answer about the children (and adults) with disabilities, it made me very happy. It could not have been any other way indeed!

I have a few more questions if you don't mind...


When Adam and Eve ate the apple, does it mean they “digested” the information? Or was it something else? I often wondered about this action of eating. Sleeping beauty also ate an apple and went into “dreamland.” The same happened to Sara in “The Labyrynth.” Alice needed some food in order to accommodate her body to each dimension; Chihiro also needed to eat something of that world in order to avoid not becoming completely see through in the spirit world. In the story of Enki this was also mentioned, that an earthling was forbidden to eat food from Nibiru for afterwards to their home they could not return and Annunaki after living too long on Earth lost their immortality. So I ask you: Does the ingestion of food accelerate energy transductions between densities?

Dear Julissa!

Firstly the Adam and Eve Story is archetypical and in no manner physical. But the metaphor of the 'absorption' or digestion is ok in that it refers to the 'Loss Of Ignorance' ergo the 'ingestion' of the 'Knowledge of Good and Evil' as a dichotomical bifurcation of a unified polarity in contextual comparitiveness.

George Kavassilas talked about plastics and metal not passing through to the higher D, and I think Drunvalo M. also mentions it saying that was the reason the ancients built their houses of stone and that the ascended ones will arrive naked if their clothes are not made of a natural fabric. DM also says a couple of very tall beings will be waiting to greet them, guide them and take care of them in the beginning. That always intrigued me as to who they could be and how will the environment of the new world look like to the person arriving? Will it be devoid of anything metallic or plastic because it has a lower frequency? Will the New Earth only duplicate the “natural” environment and nothing else? If so, what will happen to those who have pacemakers and such materials inside their own bodies? Will they have no need for them instantly, knowing how and being able to change their physical appearance and/or heal themselves as soon as they arrive?

I have no such information about materials Julissa. These materials are as much part of the 'body of the universe' as is everything else. The atomic structure will change in magnetomonopolically inducing the 'mostly empty space' between the inner and outer atom, but this will leave the basic 3D physical structures intact. As said many times before, the 3D reality will remain as is, but become EXTENDED and supplemented in the 4D reality. This 4D reality will quantise as a wormhole summation count normally applied to the 3D Riemann Space.

Many say Earth to the 5D will go, others say to the Fourth. In the book “The Genius Frequency” by John J. Falone it talks about the 4D as being a mental plane and not an actual place where you can reside for an extended period of time. Some refer to it as the ethers, and the mind of the Earth, etc. where thoughts materialize instantly hence the need to master your thoughts nestled within the “slow” 3D world. I think Astralwalker says something of the sort. JJF also mentions the 4D is where people go after death and when they dream but, when people daydream, visualize and use their imagination to create something they are actually tapping into the 5D. Since you always mention the 4th D, how is it that to the 4th D we will go and how does it differ from the 5th? If earthlings en mass to the 4D will go, how long to go en mass to the Fifth will take? Will there be some to move even higher and finally return home?

There seems to be so much confusion fed into the common human groupmind by the various channelers and interpreters of the archetypes. Of course, the soul travels in the 'astral', we call hyperspace after disassociating from the physical 3D container. The soul by definition is 10D, but cannot access the higher Ds unless it can attune its frequency of self-vibration (or density). So the soul, which is like an electromagnetic quantum field of consciousness 'journeys' about in the astral and encounters specific markers like junctions in a 'lifeforce' travelling from some twig on a branch on a tree back into the stem towards the roots and the seed of the tree (this is the tunneling of the NDEs btw).
I have explained the dimensions ad nauseum now in my replies. The 5th you mention is HyperSpaceTime of 4Spacedimensions plus 1 Timedimension. This is the confusion between 4th and 5th - its the same thing - one space only the other spacetime.

Would you please expand on the special relationship between kids and their grandparents? Did you say that the parents are too busy inmersed in the Matrix or were you talking archetypes? If beyond the Sun is our father, and The Earth is our mother, who is our grandfather and grandmother? You know, when you gave the explanation about the word ABBA, my jaw dropped because my 9 yr old had told me a few days ago while watching "Spirited Away": "Yubaba...mmm...that name means: your father" I guessed he figured it out because of its sound? Well, after all, Yubaba is the Master of the "bathhouse." On this note, Zeniba, Yubaba's twin sister did say to Zen "call me granny" So, Zen-iba What is the relationship between them two? As you can see I love to figure out movies... haha

The Cosmic Father-Creator-SourceSink is the MindWave of the Universe and the Cosmic Mother-Creation-SinkSource is the BodyParticle of the Universe.
Notice that the Father is a Source=Giving of Energy and the Mother is a Sink=Receiving of that Energy as a PRIMARY definition. This is nought but your insemination to bear a child.
Later, after the transformation, the Father will get his old energy back as a new energy and vice versa for the Mother. This is the SourceSink-SinkSource duality unified.

So the Cosmic Father mirrors himself in Adam=Archetype in ANY Man able to become a Father.
Corollarily, the Cosmic Mother via Eve=Archetype becomes YOU as a Mother.

The 'masterplan' is to allow the Cosmic Father to become a Cosmic Grandfather; which He cannot become until Adam=Father Incarnate 'can produce' Cosmic Children. Similar for the Mother to allow a Cosmic GrandMother to exist...As Above, So Below!

Your 9-year old KNOWS superconsciously and as you know there is great wisdom found in the words of the little ones.

I heard a story of someone who observed a small saucer shaped spacecraft very close and noticed the symbols (l0l) on it. This person was illiterate so he just called these “strange markings” a “stick” a “cero” and a “stick”. Someone else found a ring in the sea floor made up of metals not known on Earth with these same symbols. Some say it is the numbers 101, but I’m not so sure. Whatever it means I know you can also choose to “see” it numerically so it could be, but I sense it is part of a language that precedes the Berber of Tassili and has been found everywhere around the world. I know someone who found and held a tablet with such petroglyphs in the Andes region of Peru and recognized it was indeed a language because certain markings repeated themselves as commonly found in a written language. I think this language is the source from which all the ancient alphabets and numerical systems of Earth emerged from. Some who have gone to Agartha in their superluminal travels say they have seen it and were able to read it aloud. A friend of mine saw it in a dream where many were encouraging her to remember it. They told her that language was "Koh-Ran-ia" (name written as sound). (very similar to the writings found in Sahpuayacu-Peru see attch) From the Thubans perspective what do the numbers 101 represent? Could the "cero" between the two walls mean us between two dimensions? I have 101 on my front door.

Ah very important Julissa. The basic 101 simply refers to the mirror, say the golden candlestick in the middle of two olive trees as the final witnesses of God.
{Zechariah.4 and Revelation.11}.
Now 101=5binary as 0=0;1=1;10=2;11=3;100=4;101=5;110=6;111=7;1000=8; etc. etc.
101 is also the AlphaOmega of the Anglosaxon Arabic alphabet used as the hebrew-Anglosaxon replanting in 101 being precisely the 26th Prime Number:
{2;3;5;7;11;13;17;19;23;29;31;37;41;43;47;51;53;61 ;67;71;73;79;83;91;97;101}.

Including 1=A as the Alpha, the Circle Closes in 97=Z and 101=A*=Omega.

Furthermore; MELCHIZEDEK=101 as the '5 sacred trees in paradise' ka the 5 Platonic Solids aka the 5 elements (including the sacred essence) etc. etc.
Matthew 21:43 (http://co123w.col123.mail.live.com/passage/?search=Matthew+21:43&version=KJV)
Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
This is linked to many passages in Jeremiah and Isaiah.
Many call the Paracas Candelabra of Peru a candelabra because it “looks” like one, however I don’t think it represent one at all. More than one symbol, I see it as an entire phrase or even a whole sentence or paragraph because I see many markings/letters/runes contained within it so I sense it could actually “say” something. In Nazca, I see the same symbols as geoglyphs. I am seeing this symbols everywhere now. What do you make of all this?
http://www.kmatthews.org.uk/cult_archaeology/images/candelabra_aerial.jpg

This is the Golden Candlestick mentioned before - the Menorah of the Seven as 3+1+3 or the Nine as 4+1+4 from the 1+0+1=2.

http://www.celticnz.org/images/Nazca/Palpa.jpg


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What does the first symbol #1 (3 rings) in the attch. picture mean? Soon after doing some research about these writings and much to my surprise, I found this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCzpReQ_MNI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCzpReQ_MNI)

What do these rings in the beginning mean? The Christ Conciousness entering the Earth? Is it really Michael's sign?

You could call it this or part of the 'fulfilment of all prophecy' throughout all cultures and semiotik systems Julissa. There are many many interpretations and translation of the basic archetypes. These translations and interpretations then construct hieroglyphic systems and alphabets mainly based on the 1-2-3=Perfect Number count then becoming 4 elements or directions centered by a fifth; then the sacred 7 and 9 adjacent the masternumber 44=8 via 11, 22 and 33.
Your video and books and systems all have validity, if decoded in the ancient language codes originally implied.
A less hieroglyphic system is then mapped in the Nazca Lines, Crop Circles and Ice Circles.
A new system out, which I agree with (away from the marketing ploys) in general is called Biogeometrics, applied to the Egyptian cartouche forms and hieroglyphs.




Thank you very much as always,

JuLiSsa

Your welcome

AA




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The Presence of the Mosaic implies the will of Unity=God=Starhumanity and not the will of Humanity=Man=Separation!

FUTURE SHADOWS OF THE PAST

"A most wondrous thing the Shadow is, a redeemer in all to succour;
it can go where the light cannot abide, seemingly banished, it is not.
For where the light is, the darkness flees, no longer present to endure;
so to become illuminated is its destined journey and its troubled lot.

But without the light, no Shadow can be cast, its such a splendid key;
the dimensions reduce in space from three to two and all in just the one.
Betwixt the light and the darkness it is and part of both for all to see;
the Shadow of the body, does it not merge all in its rule under the sun?

Whatsoever can cast a Shadow, must be a most wondrous thing to relay;
as nature's very own offspring, the young ones grow towards their final goal.
Enabled to bring peace to so many things appearing apart and so far away;
the reconciliation for the suffering body with its spirit and its scattered soul."

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com (http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/) and http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/quantumrelativity (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/quantumrelativity)

[realitycorrodes]

Thanks Abraxasinas,

For your interesting replies.

Your last remark was...

To sit in judgement about the Natural(good use of the word "natural"...advertisers misuse that word to great effect as well) World and its selfexpression can be considered to be a form of ignorance.

I find it amusing how people interchangeably decide when they are judging and when they are analysing.

The truth is the truth and it shall be known...even if it is relative to the hologram!

It is not the act or the scenario that we believe is happening but the intention behind the reaction to the scenario that matters. If the intention of the people is to be disharmonic...then how are they ever going to become perfectly fractal and holographic. Ignorance is often a barrier to becoming harmonic. How is the essence of a killer ever going to become one, when it keeps wanting to kill the others who wish to become one with it? lol

The golden mean spiral exists...each dot that creates the illusion of the spiral does not invade the space of any other dot that creates the illusion. Each dot shrinks or enlarges following the golden mean ratio which is the magic ratio that allows perfect embeddedness (oneness, infinitness etc) to happen. Life exists without interfering with other life's (free will for e.g.).

And on a side note. If you don't want to be exploited by something bigger and more powerful than you (unpleasant aliens for example)...then perhaps it could be seen as a more enlightened move to stop exploiting the little beings below you!

As above so below! It's not rocket science...is it?

Mirrors are mirrors arn't they?

I believe I merely made statements about my perception. What interpretations you came to about my perception was your own judgment/analysis...I don't judge you for it. lol

As in duality (which this appears to be to me) everything people do is based on a judgement or analyses - is it not?

The warrior does not care what the ignorant think anyway! And I am not fearful of being damned for that statement either!

You were the first to use the word judgement ironically! lol

It is a funny world this one.

But seeing as I am always finding the hypocrisy and denial of this dimension increasingly magical and fascinating I will say this...

I would rather get into trouble for making a judgment than for willfully and unnecessarily taking the life of any of my friends the animals (regardless of whether they were animals that kill other animals or not).

Yes, other animals do take the life of other animals but I don't distinguish between them (i.e. I don't judge them for it) ...at least not in terms of "Well this animal took the life of another animal ... so I am going to take the life of this very same animal now!" I don't need to make such lame excuses for some "artificially" created addiction to killing.


The eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth was a belief system of a low level phony god in my opinion. P.S. I don't care for gods in general.

This hologram ends when a link in the chain decides "No! - I am going to go against the illusory rules of the program...how by using my will power!" "I refuse to kill even if it means I will die" How can a cruel and painful duality exist when the beings it was designed to enslave refuse to stay alive in such a stupid concept. To do this you need will power. When you have sufficient will power you become a bug in the program and have to be removed.

The only thing that seems to be worth learning here is to use will power against the coercion of the program to make us act disharmonicly.

The eskimos if they had any real integrity would move to a sub tropical climate. But they don't cos they are "attached" to the material geography of their world, not to mention (attached to) the killing of seals. Remember underlying "attachement" is really our old friend fear!

As we know we shall not be taking anything material with us! Just the energetic feel of the essence of our intentions/decisions.

Are your intentions that of killer?

Then I think people may continue to attract to themselves dimensions that are based on the concept of killing! Just some speculations for fun...or was that another judgment?

OM Shanti!

[Firstlook]

Thanks Abraxasinas,

For your interesting replies.

Your last remark was...

To sit in judgement about the Natural(good use of the word "natural"...advertisers misuse that word to great effect as well) World and its selfexpression can be considered to be a form of ignorance.

I find it amusing how people interchangeably decide when they are judging and when they are analysing.

The truth is the truth and it shall be known...even if it is relative to the hologram!

It is not the act or the scenario that we believe is happening but the intention behind the reaction to the scenario that matters. If the intention of the people is to be disharmonic...then how are they ever going to become perfectly fractal and holographic. Ignorance is often a barrier to becoming harmonic. How is the essence of a killer ever going to become one, when it keeps wanting to kill the others who wish to become one with it? lol

The golden mean spiral exists...each dot that creates the illusion of the spiral does not invade the space of any other dot that creates the illusion. Each dot shrinks or enlarges following the golden mean ratio which is the magic ratio that allows perfect embeddedness (oneness, infinitness etc) to happen. Life exists without interfering with other life's (free will for e.g.).

And on a side note. If you don't want to be exploited by something bigger and more powerful than you (unpleasant aliens for example)...then perhaps it could be seen as a more enlightened move to stop exploiting the little beings below you!

As above so below! It's not rocket science...is it?

Mirrors are mirrors arn't they?

I believe I merely made statements about my perception. What interpretations you came to about my perception was your own judgment/analysis...I don't judge you for it. lol

As in duality (which this appears to be to me) everything people do is based on a judgement or analyses - is it not?

The warrior does not care what the ignorant think anyway! And I am not fearful of being damned for that statement either!

You were the first to use the word judgement ironically! lol

It is a funny world this one.

But seeing as I am always finding the hypocrisy and denial of this dimension increasingly magical and fascinating I will say this...

I would rather get into trouble for making a judgment than for willfully and unnecessarily taking the life of any of my friends the animals (regardless of whether they were animals that kill other animals or not).

Yes, other animals do take the life of other animals but I don't distinguish between them (i.e. I don't judge them for it) ...at least not in terms of "Well this animal took the life of another animal ... so I am going to take the life of this very same animal now!" I don't need to make such lame excuses for some "artificially" created addiction to killing.


The eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth was a belief system of a low level phony god in my opinion. P.S. I don't care for gods in general.

This hologram ends when a link in the chain decides "No! - I am going to go against the illusory rules of the program...how by using my will power!" "I refuse to kill even if it means I will die" How can a cruel and painful duality exist when the beings it was designed to enslave refuse to stay alive in such a stupid concept. To do this you need will power. When you have sufficient will power you become a bug in the program and have to be removed.

The only thing that seems to be worth learning here is to use will power against the coercion of the program to make us act disharmonicly.

The eskimos if they had any real integrity would move to a sub tropical climate. But they don't cos they are "attached" to the material geography of their world, not to mention (attached to) the killing of seals. Remember underlying "attachement" is really our old friend fear!

As we know we shall not be taking anything material with us! Just the energetic feel of the essence of our intentions/decisions.

Are your intentions that of killer?

Then I think people may continue to attract to themselves dimensions that are based on the concept of killing! Just some speculations for fun...or was that another judgment?

OM Shanti!




Not to interrupt, but I like the points you've made.

I think they are inspirational for individual intention.

It makes me appreciate the idea of in the moment. I wonder if those Eskimos are not inspired by the issue of food, but instead the love of their Arctic environment. I would imagine that they choose their appreciation of their location over their need for someones idea of synchrony and adaptation.:wink2:

peace:original:

I think it works out for each individual.:original:

[realitycorrodes]

Like your signature Firstlook.

Yeah its all good!

There is no such thing as truth inside the illusion...

It will only ever be an illusionary truth!

But hey I call that level jumping.

Jumping vibrational levels and seeing things from a different level but not telling the person you were discussing with, you jumped levels. They are assuming your seeing things at a more material level when now your seeing it from the all that is level. It causes some confusion.

Shanti my good friend.

I would imagine the light from the white snow could alter your consciousness - and perhaps be very addictive - that they would not care too much about an egotistical geezer stomping around judging them about not being synchronous when they are perhaps in harmony with their environment! Who knows? I am just judging...oops I mean speculating. lol

P.S. If you can't laugh at yourself you may just be missing the biggest joke around.

[Firstlook]

Jumping vibrational levels and seeing things from a different level but not telling the person you were discussing with, you jumped levels. They are assuming your seeing things at a more material level when now your seeing it from the all that is level. It causes some confusion.

Thats an awesome observation.


And yes its all good. I understand when someones throwing the rope down so to speak. For the record, I think what your saying is of a higher conscious state of mind. Thankyou. :wub2:

peace:original:

P.S. If you only knew how non-serious I take myself, oh man.:lmao:

[Jack]

I'd just like to say thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread, it has quite a lot of good information which resonates well with me and holds an air of truth.

And a special thanks to you Abraxasinas for the time and effort you've devoted to answering questions from everyone who's asked them. Your efforts are appreciated and respected, at least on my part.

I do have a number of questions which you may or may not be in a position to answer, however, I'll place them on the table and leave them to your own free will to shine a little bit of light on if possible.

1. I'm highly of the belief and somewhat eternal knowing, that we are undergoing a spiritual evolution of sorts, a kind of graduation if you will where those who are spiritually ready will proceed to graduate onto the next level of awareness, while there will be those who will continue an existance similar to this one in order to learn that which must be learned, and those who have ascended up the ladder of self will also move onto the next level where applicable. My question is, and id consider it open ended, what are we to experience in regards to our current path as a collective whole? ie ; Will those who have not moved on to that next level be met with a scorching of the earth, and various other cataclysmic events. And if so is the speed of such an event determined by the dominant vibratory resonance of the residents of earth.

2. I'm quite curious to know the extent of your knowledge and what portions you have access to. I myself, am sure of my purpose, but from your perspective, if you would, who am I and what is my purpose here.

3. What is the ratio of people in this planet who are here to help, as opposed to those who are here in order to go through the evolutionary spiritual proccess which those who are here to help have already experienced and as such, "graduated".

If you feel answering these questions may violate the free will of those who have not asked them, im more then happy to accept a response via pm.

Thanks in advance,

With love and respect,

Jack

[abraxasinas]

I'd just like to say thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread, it has quite a lot of good information which resonates well with me and holds an air of truth.

And a special thanks to you Abraxasinas for the time and effort you've devoted to answering questions from everyone who's asked them. Your efforts are appreciated and respected, at least on my part.

I do have a number of questions which you may or may not be in a position to answer, however, I'll place them on the table and leave them to your own free will to shine a little bit of light on if possible.

1. I'm highly of the belief and somewhat eternal knowing, that we are undergoing a spiritual evolution of sorts, a kind of graduation if you will where those who are spiritually ready will proceed to graduate onto the next level of awareness, while there will be those who will continue an existance similar to this one in order to learn that which must be learned, and those who have ascended up the ladder of self will also move onto the next level where applicable. My question is, and id consider it open ended, what are we to experience in regards to our current path as a collective whole? ie ; Will those who have not moved on to that next level be met with a scorching of the earth, and various other cataclysmic events. And if so is the speed of such an event determined by the dominant vibratory resonance of the residents of earth.

Hi Jack!
The deepest insight you can have here is to understand who Vitruvius, aka Adam Kadmon aka Purusha aka Cosmic Man is. The dominant vibratory resonance then indeed defines the Many in Oneness and the One in the Manyness.
Once you have that figured out, you will know just where the 3Ders will be relative to the 4Ders. Revelation.21;22 describes this in colourful metaphorical semantics.
Of course one must also take into account the hologram of the microcosm within the hologram of the microcosm and the supramentalisation of matter.

2. I'm quite curious to know the extent of your knowledge and what portions you have access to. I myself, am sure of my purpose, but from your perspective, if you would, who am I and what is my purpose here.

Well if you go to the link; you can find out a lot more of the technical stuff. http://tonyb.freeyellow.com
If you consider yourself 'graduated'; then you already know, that you are who you define yourself to be in terms of Cosmic Signatures, Jack.

3. What is the ratio of people in this planet who are here to help, as opposed to those who are here in order to go through the evolutionary spiritual proccess which those who are here to help have already experienced and as such, "graduated".

Everyone can help Jack; but on the 'graduate' level (your label) it is 1 in 50,000 including 200 million 'alien walk in aspects'.

If you feel answering these questions may violate the free will of those who have not asked them, im more then happy to accept a response via pm.

Thanks in advance,

With love and respect,

Jack


Nice video and comprehensive on all the major streamlines. I would recommend it. It also has many pioneers of the 'paradigm changers' in them (as the 'graduates').

AA

[hippihillbobbi]

Dear Abraxas:

Here's the URL address you asked for (hope i did this right).

Here's the URL address you asked me for (if i did this correctly).
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_52.htm)

the ant analogy that i quoted in my last messsage is in the part of the file (over half way through) called "Transcript of the Interview (Shortened Version)."

I'll be back soon to ask some more questions, as soon as i can figure out how to put them into words!! :winksmiley02: :blink:

thanks, AA.

hippihill


P.S. For some reason, i haven't been able to read some of your more recent responses ...... the last ones to Jack and to JacquiD are two examples. (there are just big blanks where your words supposedly are?!?) i wondered if it were the font color you chose for those 2 messages .....??? i just hate to miss anything! hhb

[Spregovori]

P.S. For some reason, i haven't been able to read some of your more recent responses ...... the last ones to Jack and to JacquiD are two examples. (there are just big blanks where your words supposedly are?!?) i wondered if it were the font color you chose for those 2 messages .....??? i just hate to miss anything! hhb

Change the forum style to default or select text and you will see it.

[hippihillbobbi]

Dear Abraxas --

i'm having SO MUCH trouble narrowing down my questions, that i just decided to include a rather long passage of quoted material for you to comment on, if you don't mind. My mind is starting to become a little boggled by some of this stuff, i have to admit! HELP!!! :wall:


The Book of the Dragons

ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

Nomenclature:
Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code.


Chronology:
Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 20th 2008.
Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 24th 2008.
Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on August 4th 2008.

Almanac:
Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity.


Continuity:
Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.


Agenda:
Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction, the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.
A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily.
Foundation:
The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystalline sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity.



GrandClade FatherMothers:
POPNAN LOVEJOY with APAPAMAMA JERUSALEM are the MINDBODY or WAVEPARTICULAR and DADMUM BERMANSEDER with PUPMOM ABBA form the BODYMIND or the PARTICLEWAVE


i wanna say something like ..... whoa! slow down, dude!! this is a bit HEAVY!!! but i think i'm gonna just save any more specific questions for after you've had a chance to comment on this.

thanks a lot, Abraxas! :wub2:

hippihill



P.S. thanks SO much, Spregovori, for your tips about reading AA's invisible answers! i'll try them!

[truthseeker]

Hi Abraxas,

Thanks for your respectful and thorough response to my rather long-winded and searching questions. Some good answers there. However, I need time to process and digest many of your replys before I respond properly. I have many more questions and also would like some elaboration and clarity on some of those already asked.

Also, thanks to FirstLook and Eleni for your complementary responses to my post. Much appreciated. Yes, I have an ego too!

Best Wishes

Truthseeker

[abraxasinas]

Dear Abraxas:

Here's the URL address you asked for (hope i did this right).

Here's the URL address you asked me for (if i did this correctly).
(http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/esp_vida_alien_52.htm)

the ant analogy that i quoted in my last messsage is in the part of the file (over half way through) called "Transcript of the Interview (Shortened Version)."

I'll be back soon to ask some more questions, as soon as i can figure out how to put them into words!! :winksmiley02: :blink:

thanks, AA.

Yes there seems to be a problem with the default-electric versions fonts.
Sometimes I cannot read the white or yellow or lime (light colour) prints.
I therefore try to always use dark black-red-blue colours.
If you can't read something simply use 'select text' as this then brings the colours out.

AA

hippihill


P.S. For some reason, i haven't been able to read some of your more recent responses ...... the last ones to Jack and to JacquiD are two examples. (there are just big blanks where your words supposedly are?!?) i wondered if it were the font color you chose for those 2 messages .....??? i just hate to miss anything! hhb

I might try to BOLD in black from now on.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Dear Abraxas --

i'm having SO MUCH trouble narrowing down my questions, that i just decided to include a rather long passage of quoted material for you to comment on, if you don't mind. My mind is starting to become a little boggled by some of this stuff, i have to admit! HELP!!! :wall:


The Book of the Dragons

ex deus, fiat justitia, ruat coelum draco!

Nomenclature:
Dragonian language incorporative omniscientific data code.


Chronology:
Dragonian Date of Indendence proclaimed June 20th 2008.
Dragonian Date of Victory Libertatis set June 24th 2008.
Dragonian Date of Humanoid Initiation on August 4th 2008.

Almanac:
Dragonian Genealogy and Genesis of FatherMothers as created by Definition through Dragonian Sourceenergy of monopolic Vortex-Potential Quantum-Relativistic-Singularity.


Continuity:
Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.


Agenda:
Continuity of the Dragonseed necessitates the assimilation of the humanoid genome following initiatory development. Proceeding from serpentine mindinduction, the emotional acceleration potential of the humanoid bodymind can be harvested to Dragonise the humanoid DNA-Structure from its bifurcated quadruplistic form into its 13-dimensional equivalent of the Dragonian Blueprint.
A successful integration of Dragonian genetic expression can then be utilised for membership in Dragonian Life and allow the humanoid ascension into Dragonhood via the graduation into the founding FatherMother CladeFamily.
Foundation:
The Dragonian 13-dimensional blueprint unifies a dodecagonal crystalline sex-chromosomatic structure by quantum tunneling of superconductive magnetopolic electricity of restmass equivalent electropolic or dark light contained in the weak interaction of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR). The four spacetimes of the Dragonian essence are expressed in quadruplicity, triplicity, duality and singularity.



GrandClade FatherMothers:
POPNAN LOVEJOY with APAPAMAMA JERUSALEM are the MINDBODY or WAVEPARTICULAR and DADMUM BERMANSEDER with PUPMOM ABBA form the BODYMIND or the PARTICLEWAVE


i wanna say something like ..... whoa! slow down, dude!! this is a bit HEAVY!!! but i think i'm gonna just save any more specific questions for after you've had a chance to comment on this.

thanks a lot, Abraxas! :wub2:

hippihill



P.S. thanks SO much, Spregovori, for your tips about reading AA's invisible answers! i'll try them!

The Book of the Dragons is sci-fi - or is it?

AA

[Jonah]

Abraxas,

Can you explain a "fusion flash"? Have you ever personally known someone who has accomplished this... Is it possible to attain? Can you explain the science of it?

(I hear it is quiet painful....)
thank you for your response, j

[wilsonericq7]

[QUOTE=abraxasinas;231390]

Yes Joey, I agree with Drunvalo here.

The great Apes still carry 24 chromosome pairs.
About 5 million years ago the ape lineages split genetrically from the lineage evolving into the hominids.
This split fused the 2-Chromosome for the hominid line, but kept the 2-Chromosome as a pair in the apes.

I have heard a great arguement regarding the 'true' lineage of hominids; Abrax what have you heard about the "Aquatic Ape" Theory?

Link http://www.ted.com/talks/elaine_morgan_says_we_evolved_from_aquatic_apes.ht ml

Also, in reading your replys regarding planet/animal consiousness (Sirius-Canine consiousness, etc), what truth is there in the saying, "Humans are the dream of the dolphin?" This saying is just something I have been carrying around my whole life and don't know why. It is ok if you don't follow...I know its got me stumped for the moment.


As I take your advice to "Get Physical" (and it has had me scratching my head for days) in order to become more grounded, I find it hard to fly with the rest of you here. Your statement regarding my ability to self express in order to fill the void has me the most puzzled; yet am sure I will remember what my soul means soon. You have stated many times in this thread we are our own soul paired, doubled; with combinations of XY1 and XOX and such (I'm not making fun, I just don't remember). While it will all be clear soon enough, how is it we are individually paired/doubled....while at the same time still all part of the whole? "I am many in one, and one in many" seems to ofset each other. Are we not one or the other? How can we be both at the same time?

Finally, how do I learn more about Dragons and avoid all the distortions?

[SABINA]

The Book of the Dragons is sci-fi - or is it?

AA

maybe yes ,maybe no, the question is how it (the bookof the dragons)continue?

[Spregovori]

Hei Abraxasinas

Do you feel ok this last days?


What do you do when you are bored?





A few guess questions (based on content from one of the given urls):

Are we 7th generation human, after being wiped out and re-created several times before that?

By genetically created it means that we skipped millions of years of natural evolution....and....in some "weird" way, we are all from the glass phylacteries? Somehow the thought of this makes me feel - insignificant.

Although on a "soul level" does it matter if the "vehicle" is artificially made or naturally evolved?

We are not the 1st "intelligent" life form on this planet? There are "others" that evolved naturally? They are still here...but not in contact or at least not in the way general public could see? The "others" are original inhabitants of Earth?

Can someone/anyone claim ownership over a point/place/space/planet/thing/phenomena/anything in universe? I somehow think it is "insane" for anyone to claim ownership of countries and claim "private" land.....the arrogance...to claim ownership over something as a planet....


Description of two symbols: a blue serpent with four white wings on a black background, a mystic being a "Dragon" in the shape of a circle with seven white stars in the middle

Is any of this familiar to you?

The "ant hill" mentioned in one of the previous posts....isn't that more like a human perspective and not a perspective of higher "dimension" being?
For example...when I was 17 (or 18)... so 8-9 years back...when there was no Avalon etc... I was talking to a "friend" of mine...we were discussing aliens...and i was full of "they would come and make everything good" but my "friend" stated: "they would come and do what we do to animals". His argument was that an advanced civilization would use as for work, food and entertainment.... I thought a lot about it at that time...and came to the conclusion that his perspective is 100% human (he also has a "dark" side...his nature...his interests...) While my perspective was/is that YES advanced technology does not necessarily require benevolence (spiritual development) but at the same time i believe that truly advanced civilization (no just someone that can fire off gravitational weapons) went beyond negativity...than again this is my so also a human perspective...

If i was a higher "dimensional" life form...being able to...do "magic"...etc...and even if i was just more technologically advanced....had no concerns about things like stupid money, food, and roof above my head...i would use my abilities to help others...on Earth for example...there is so much that someone like that could do...and i would do it.... (again this is my current and entirely human perspective)

What some consider to be "evil" others consider to be a "necessity"?
Both are right? Polarization?

Is it wrong to kill while defending yourself?





To continue...


How do i influence my Logos? Is it with thoughts?

How do i access my logos? How do i see what they are like?
To analyze, feel, see them...change, redesign, delete, add...them...?

If only 1/7th is waking consciousness how am i to..."get real"? By mastering thoughts?
6/7 awareness being beyond my influence is - extremely discouraging.


I had a "fun time" looking myself in the mirror..should probably look myself in the eyes more often...the feelings are..."scary"...was not able to exit holodeck though. :)

Trying to "see" how my mirror image sees me...made my head "hurt" (shade of a sort)

I do use what you named a "golden rule" but it does BOTHER me A LOT...when others do not do that. If everyone and everything is a mirror..to me...than there are a lot of things i should carefully consider but i think that in a lot of cases...human animals simply ignore the golden rule (despite what my actions are) and do/behave/tell to me what they would not want to be done to them...this can make me feel "unpleasant"....angry...and also it is energy draining...especially when i try my best not to react in a "negative" way....sadness Despite all that i can not get rid of the feeling it is me that is doing something wrong...or is it that i just always feel automatically guilty.

Maximum polarization program....just how more maximum can/will it go? Do you know? Or is it up to us? Can it go so far that at the "end" there will remain only one side of polarization or is that impossible?

It feels like a program for maximum s***t hole of the universe (i wonder who programmed it). It could use an update or at least a hot-fix. I "demand" new futures! :)

By stating I AM ... i am that i am or i am that am i .... this helps me focus/control what i think? How so? By acknowledging my existence as individual...i hmm what - can be classified as a sentient being? How does that help me?

Isn't thought mastery something that eastern philosophy teaches how to obtain during lifetime...and some try it all life time via various techniques but ultimately fail or make some progress but not the complete self mastery?

To master thoughts? Just that...ok.."no pressure". :)

[TempestGarden]

What is this Book of Dragons that is being referred to?

[Phtha]

This is a great post dear Sirebard, thanks! A lot of this I have come to realize myself from fasting and experimenting with various types of diets... although I never thought to consider that many of these 'food consciousnesses' might be originating from some far away source..

Do bananas come from Venus?
Can you list some of the more popular fruits and veggies... and their origins?

I also found your posts about animals very interesting. Being a long time cat owner myself I couldn't help but notice in Avatar that the race from pandora was based off of Felinaes.
Where are mice from? They way lab rats are treated... The must have a real beef to pick with us. As well as all those other 'farmed' animals :thumbdown:



Thuban view on eating meat?

This is a VERY VERY important question halebox and I shall spend some time on it after thanking you for asking this question.

The human body is a biochemical reactor, which has evolved for so 2.2 billion years in a feedback mechanism between itself and its environment.
The least self-conscious way to GAIN and grow in consciousbness was to EAT ones environment, say in the form of a Caterpillar, preparing for its pupasation and transformation into a pollinating and so food-giving butterfly.
When you eat an apple, the ;ifeforce of the apple blends its apple-consciousness with your human consciousness and you attain apple consciousness.
So on some faraway planet, where apple-intelligences reside, this apple-sentience receives data from the human consciousness by this mirroring of consciousnesses.

If the human does not eat a ripened apple, ready to fall of the apple tree; then the worms or birds or beetles of the ground will consume the apple consciousness in a similar cosmic interaction.
Alternatively, the oxygen in the air and so the elements will disintegrate and disperse the apple consciousness.

This analgy is applied to the present humanity, literally eating itself via its enviroment as a remnant of its nature as a biochemical reactor.

The Starhuman will no longer be required to 'eat' like a caterpillar, but will 'eat' like a butterfly in a mutual beneficial environmental feedback system.

If the 'wild animals' upon Gaia would have no more need to hunt and eat each other, then all so called exploitative human-alien interaction would cease also.

So fundamentally, KNOW that YOU are eating an alien, when YOU are eating your steak or your piece of bread or a carrot or a peanut or a fish.

Of course eating the peanut or the apple or the wheat is different from eating 'dead meat', as the apple from the apple tree regrows as produce from the roots of the tree from below and nourished also from the sunlight from above.
Eating a carrot is somewhat different than eating a chicken, but nevertheless requires the 'killing' of the carrot.
But ask yourself. What happens to the carrot should you not eat it and what happensd to the chicken should it not be eaten?

The carrot would become fertilizer for its next recycling in consciousness, either agan as a carrot or as some other consciousness via its own 'composting'.
Similarly, the chicken would get old and die and become 'recycled'.

This is the Agony of the entire Creation'.

AA

[hippihillbobbi]

here's the link for the "Book of the Dragons" ...... it's really pretty interesting.

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id106.html

i'd love to discuss this with some of ya'll -- it's a bit heavy, as i said earlier to Abraxas. i'd love to read what ya'll think! :original::original:

hippihill

[Initiate]

here's the link for the "Book of the Dragons" ...... it's really pretty interesting.

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id106.html

i'd love to discuss this with some of ya'll -- it's a bit heavy, as i said earlier to Abraxas. i'd love to read what ya'll think! :original::original:

hippihill

Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.

On the face of it do we really want to be a conquered race after Gaia ascends? Are we or have we been seduced? It sounds like earth is being set up as a Sink (Black Hole) to swallow the rest of the solar system.

The fact is Humanity should take it's lead directly from the Creator. No Go betweens or fantasy stories that fit the Logos. Just because it fits doesn't mean it is reality. We choose our reality or we have it chosen for us.

Regards,

Initiate.

[Phtha]

On the face of it do we really want to be a conquered race after Gaia ascends? Are we or have we been seduced? It sounds like earth is being set up as a Sink (Black Hole) to swallow the rest of the solar system.


I have a feeling that our friend Sirebard is helping us play out an ancient myth (on a more cosmic scale) or some form of online initiation... :lol3:

http://www.dl.ket.org/webmuseum/wm/paint/auth/tintoretto/st-george-dragon.jpg
http://maryvictrix.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/st_george_and_the_dragon.jpg
http://www.fromoldbooks.org/Cassell-MagazineOfArt/337-St.-George-and-the-Dragon-q75-395x500.jpg

[Passenger]

Greetings Abraxas,

This is some thread you have here... i feel that i have journeyed
through all of the dimensions at once as i read the 42 pages and
it is still going strong. Some rough bits there earlier on with
the Dragon Slayers but balance has been restored - mirror mirror
on the wall... gives a whole new perspective of the verses -
'judge not lest you be judged'. There is magic here.

You mention that the 4th dimension will inherit the 3rd dimension.
Or at least all that is ready for ascension/harvest.
Is 4D not just a mental/astral plain full of assorted beings with
a lot of baggage/issues and like to play games with entities on
the 3D plain. Is this also not where the Magi go to do the same.

If so then how will this 3D+4D=New World co-exist with the present
and quite often insane group from the current 4D occupants?
It will take some time to get used to the form and the formless
in a natural co-existence... assuming i have any of this correct
at all.

BTW - i have been seeing a swiss cheese reality for some time now.
With - 'so it seems' - different parts of my vision in different
realities of completely different matter. Some parts fade in and out
and sometimes other parts become malleable or like liquid. Happens
more and more often now.

Which brings me to another question... if the gates are already open
then are there already some ascended 'StarHumans' in the New World ?
Acting as the ground crew for the oncoming 4D newbies. The greeting
party as it were.

Thanks for the inspiration you have given me to better understand
my understanding.

-P

[Malletzky]

...As I take your advice to "Get Physical" (and it has had me scratching my head for days) in order to become more grounded, I find it hard to fly with the rest of you here. Your statement regarding my ability to self express in order to fill the void has me the most puzzled; yet am sure I will remember what my soul means soon. You have stated many times in this thread we are our own soul paired, doubled; with combinations of XY1 and XOX and such (I'm not making fun, I just don't remember). While it will all be clear soon enough, how is it we are individually paired/doubled....while at the same time still all part of the whole? "I am many in one, and one in many" seems to ofset each other. Are we not one or the other? How can we be both at the same time?...


If I may reply to you in the matter of the red marked text above: and please consider that this is only how I understand this:

I often use a simple analogy when I try to explain the issue with 'many in one, and one in many', or as I state in my signature ...'and we are all one as I am one'. How is it that we are individually paired/duobled...while at the same time still part of the whole?

You just taka a piece of paper, torn it in two halves and then torn the one half in many small pieces apart...now you're seing 'MANY' small pieces that 'descent' from 'ONE'...These pcs contain the same energy and material patterns, they are one and the same with the previous, still in ONE, piece of paper.

What do you get here? You get the individual (small piece of paper) that is 'ONE' in consistence with the previous big piece of paper that used to consist of infinite 'MANY' pieces of paper, but before torning it apart.

This is also how I understand the saying that we were created in the image of God, as it means the same. The small pieces of papers are us and we're MANY, and we all descent from the ONE.

Following is an excerpt from Gio's Thread about Dan Brown's Lost Symbol:

Our physical bodies have evolved over the ages,
but it is our minds that were created in the image of God...

We are creator's, and yet we naively play the role of 'the created.'

We see ourselves as helpless sheep bufferted around by the God who made us. We kneel like frightened children, begging for help, for forgiveness, for good luck...

once we realize that we are truly created in the Creator's image, we will start to understand, we, too, must be Creators.

When we understand this fact,
the doors will burst wide open for human potential...


I hope this analogy helps you to understand your real YOU!

[wilsonericq7]

If I may reply to you in the matter of the red marked text above: and please consider that this is only how I understand this:

I often use a simple analogy when I try to explain the issue with 'many in one, and one in many', or as I state in my signature ...'and we are all one as I am one'. How is it that we are individually paired/duobled...while at the same time still part of the whole?

You just taka a piece of paper, torn it in two halves and then torn the one half in many small pieces apart...now you're seing 'MANY' small pieces that 'descent' from 'ONE'...These pcs contain the same energy and material patterns, they are one and the same with the previous, still in ONE, piece of paper.

What do you get here? You get the individual (small piece of paper) that is 'ONE' in consistence with the previous big piece of paper that used to consist of infinite 'MANY' pieces of paper, but before torning it apart.

This is also how I understand the saying that we were created in the image of God, as it means the same. The small pieces of papers are us and we're MANY, and we all descent from the ONE.

Following is an excerpt from Gio's Thread about Dan Brown's Lost Symbol:



I hope this analogy helps you to understand your real YOU!


This was very helpful, thank you very much. To us...the creators...then.

Namaste

[Malletzky]

This was very helpful, thank you very much. To us...the creators...then.

Namaste


You're :welcomeani:

[Raven]

here's the link for the "Book of the Dragons" ...... it's really pretty interesting.

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id106.html

i'd love to discuss this with some of ya'll -- it's a bit heavy, as i said earlier to Abraxas. i'd love to read what ya'll think! :original::original:

hippihill

Dig a little deeper in the 'book of the dragons' and find this.:mfr_omg:
http://www.orionsarm.com/xcms.php?r=oa-page&page=gen_earlyyears

Very interesting indeed, space opera based on real science. I have only read a few pages so far but it's an interesting tale :) Raven

[SABINA]

Dear Abraxasinas,
one month ago you started the thread ThubanQ&A.today there are already 42
pages.
sometimes I was laughing sometimes crying by reading through the postings.
It was "quote" a roll a coaster for some readers.
But some of us if we are honest have had at least an "Aha experience" iow an inspiration of inner knowledge even a hint to enlightment.
For myself it was sometimes a trigger to remember.........
It is about towake up our inner knowledge
which we forgot
this is the real "red thread" which runs through the Thuban story
that`s why I want to Thank you
for all your efforts work time and wise words which you share with us.
that`s why I dont care if it is sifi a space opera gnostic with science etc.
I like the ThubanQ&A:wub2:

[Phtha]

:thumb_yello:;):thumb_yello:

that`s why I want to Thank you
for all your efforts work time and wise words which you share with us.
that`s why I dont care if it is sifi a space opera gnostic with science etc.
I like the ThubanQ&A:wub2:

[halebox]

I think all of our collective heads are spinning in a good way. This thread made me use parts of my brain that I dont usually use. It made me rethink so many different things. It made me not think of everything so black and white.
Thank you Council of Thuban and Abrax for this information.

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas,

Can you explain a "fusion flash"? Have you ever personally known someone who has accomplished this... Is it possible to attain? Can you explain the science of it?

(I hear it is quiet painful....)
thank you for your response, j

Hi Jonah!

A fusion flash in physical terms is the nucleosynthetic transmutation of elements, say the proton-proton chain in the sun converting Hydrogen into Helium in:
2H->H2+positrons+neutrino
H2+H->He3
He3+H->He4+positron+neutrino
He3+He3->He4+2H
This is accompanied by the emission of energy as sunlight, gamma radiation and Kinetic Energy (of say the neutrinos).

Then in metaphysical-personal terms, the hydrogen-helium transmutation is replaced by an energy induction of EMMR not measurable by the EMR detectors.
This is because the EMR is produced by the acceleration of Coulombic-Electric charges, which are ALWAYS coupled to inertial mass.
Iow, electric charges do not exist in the absence of mass.
But the EMMR=ElectroMagneticMonopolar Radiation; does exist independent of inertia/mass and so can be used to model MagnetoCharges (so defining the word SPIRIT in physical tyerms).

The EMMR is generated by the acceleration of magnetic charges and where the magnetic charge is defined in the inversion of the string/membrane energy in the principle of modular duality in more technical terms.
The EMMR so becomes the higherD equivalent for the lowerD EMR.

AA

[abraxasinas]

[QUOTE=abraxasinas;231390]

Yes Joey, I agree with Drunvalo here.

The great Apes still carry 24 chromosome pairs.
About 5 million years ago the ape lineages split genetrically from the lineage evolving into the hominids.
This split fused the 2-Chromosome for the hominid line, but kept the 2-Chromosome as a pair in the apes.

I have heard a great arguement regarding the 'true' lineage of hominids; Abrax what have you heard about the "Aquatic Ape" Theory?

Hi wilsoneric!

The evolution of the human genotype DOES NOT allow for the idea of the 'Aquatic Ape' in physical propagation of the genesis.
In other nonterrestrial environments, the amphibious morphogetic bodyform may well be synchronized with the human template, but this would be more in the form of interdimensional hybridization, than an actual 3D evolvement; (see Nommo of the Dogon-Sirius mythology).

Link http://www.ted.com/talks/elaine_morgan_says_we_evolved_from_aquatic_apes.ht ml

Also, in reading your replys regarding planet/animal consiousness (Sirius-Canine consiousness, etc), what truth is there in the saying, "Humans are the dream of the dolphin?" This saying is just something I have been carrying around my whole life and don't know why. It is ok if you don't follow...I know its got me stumped for the moment.

The 'Pleiadean' humanoid archetype in the higherD perspective is that of the Cetacean.
So you can easily restate your saying in: "Humans are the dream of the Pleiadean!".
This then is indicated by some very good (like Barbara Marciniak) and not so good Pleiadean channelers or messengers.

The Pleiadeans so consider the Human as their 'time-travelled' ancestors.
The Pleiadeans so considerr the terrestrial cetaceans, whales, dolphins, porpoises as their real next of kin and Gaian amabassadors.
As I take your advice to "Get Physical" (and it has had me scratching my head for days) in order to become more grounded, I find it hard to fly with the rest of you here. Your statement regarding my ability to self express in order to fill the void has me the most puzzled; yet am sure I will remember what my soul means soon. You have stated many times in this thread we are our own soul paired, doubled; with combinations of XY1 and XOX and such (I'm not making fun, I just don't remember). While it will all be clear soon enough, how is it we are individually paired/doubled....while at the same time still all part of the whole? "I am many in one, and one in many" seems to ofset each other. Are we not one or the other? How can we be both at the same time?

When you 'make love' to your lover, then you are 'becoming as One', in projection your own individual selfhood onto your partner in a blending of the souls.

This is the manner of the duality seeking reunification of the self in sexual intercourse and the 'lovemaking'.
The proper archetype is 2nd Order in the divided polarity within the Unity, so defining your bi- or quadrosexuality within yourself.


Finally, how do I learn more about Dragons and avoid all the distortions?

I have posted a number of threads to Julissa, which describe the Dragon archetype from basic principles.

AA

[abraxasinas]

maybe yes ,maybe no, the question is how it (the bookof the dragons)continue?

The Story of the Continuity is written right now in a co-authorship between the Dragons from Thuban and the Dragons of Gaia, of whom there are many.

AA

[whitefluffy]

[I]dear abraxasinas,

i see you live in good ol aus.
The native inhabitants of this continent maintain they have always been here. i believe them. No, out of africa theory, arrogant Westerners! Having lived & worked many years with indigenous groups in SA i.e. Pitjantjatjara, Adnyamathanha, i am interested to know your thoughts.
i know they all have seven sisters dreaming stories; pleaides figures large as does the rainbow serpent. Your thoughts on this?
There is something particularly ancient about, well, all of Australia, but in my own experience, SA and Flinders Ranges in particular; Wilpena Pound, Chambers Gorge, do you know of these places?
one can feel it whispering.:wub2:

[abraxasinas]

Hei Abraxasinas

Do you feel ok this last days?

Why should I not? The agenda of Thuban spans more avenues, than the Project Avalon.


What do you do when you are bored?

I Dragon Play!





A few guess questions (based on content from one of the given urls):

Are we 7th generation human, after being wiped out and re-created several times before that?

This depends of when you begin to label the 'humanness'. If you begin with Mitochondrial Eve, then the 200,000 years would span 7-8 precessional generations (of so 26,000 years) each.
If you start with Y-chromosomal Adam, then this reduces to 2-3 such cycles in the 50,000-80,000 year count.

By genetically created it means that we skipped millions of years of natural evolution....and....in some "weird" way, we are all from the glass phylacteries? Somehow the thought of this makes me feel - insignificant.

Although on a "soul level" does it matter if the "vehicle" is artificially made or naturally evolved?

The human template is completely naturally made and evolved.

We are not the 1st "intelligent" life form on this planet? There are "others" that evolved naturally? They are still here...but not in contact or at least not in the way general public could see? The "others" are original inhabitants of Earth?

The first intelligent lifeform upon earth was elemental, i.e. the molecular and atomic configurations, say of the atmosphere and the rock minerals. These sentiences then already were associated with ET lifeforms in consciousness, as the same elementals occur throughout the universe.

Can someone/anyone claim ownership over a point/place/space/planet/thing/phenomena/anything in universe? I somehow think it is "insane" for anyone to claim ownership of countries and claim "private" land.....the arrogance...to claim ownership over something as a planet....

We fully agree with you here and so do the indigenous peoples all around the planet.

Description of two symbols: a blue serpent with four white wings on a black background, a mystic being a "Dragon" in the shape of a circle with seven white stars in the middle

Is any of this familiar to you?

Yes, these are basic and potent archetypes, such as found in the Book of the Revelation. The colours relate to the basic colour triplicities in state and antistate. Red-Green-Blue=Neutral White (in light) or Black (in paint) and is antistated in the triplet Cyan-Magenta-Yellow.

The "ant hill" mentioned in one of the previous posts....isn't that more like a human perspective and not a perspective of higher "dimension" being?

No differentiation between 'highD' and 'lowD' is applied to the label of 'ant-hill'. It simply serves to exemplify some point or statement made.

For example...when I was 17 (or 18)... so 8-9 years back...when there was no Avalon etc... I was talking to a "friend" of mine...we were discussing aliens...and i was full of "they would come and make everything good" but my "friend" stated: "they would come and do what we do to animals". His argument was that an advanced civilization would use as for work, food and entertainment.... I thought a lot about it at that time...and came to the conclusion that his perspective is 100% human (he also has a "dark" side...his nature...his interests...) While my perspective was/is that YES advanced technology does not necessarily require benevolence (spiritual development) but at the same time i believe that truly advanced civilization (no just someone that can fire off gravitational weapons) went beyond negativity...than again this is my so also a human perspective...

If i was a higher "dimensional" life form...being able to...do "magic"...etc...and even if i was just more technologically advanced....had no concerns about things like stupid money, food, and roof above my head...i would use my abilities to help others...on Earth for example...there is so much that someone like that could do...and i would do it.... (again this is my current and entirely human perspective)

What some consider to be "evil" others consider to be a "necessity"?
Both are right? Polarization?

EVIL=LIVE backwards, this simple mirror-anagram exemplifies the polarity of the word.



Is it wrong to kill while defending yourself?

No; but in any case, you will become subject to your experiential processing in self-consciousness.


To continue...


How do i influence my Logos? Is it with thoughts?

Yes, you simply live your life in observing all of your thoughts and actions as a 'higher aspect' of your soul-self.

How do i access my logos? How do i see what they are like?
To analyze, feel, see them...change, redesign, delete, add...them...?

As in the above. You 'talk' and think to yourself.

If only 1/7th is waking consciousness how am i to..."get real"? By mastering thoughts?
6/7 awareness being beyond my influence is - extremely discouraging.

There is over 90% of Junk-DNA in your body, indicating a most wasteful and inefficient 'nature'. This should be rather more discouraging to you.


I had a "fun time" looking myself in the mirror..should probably look myself in the eyes more often...the feelings are..."scary"...was not able to exit holodeck though. :)

Yes, this is the beginning of much wisdom. Perhaps you are discovering that YOU in the mirror is not really you, but a 'pretender'.

Trying to "see" how my mirror image sees me...made my head "hurt" (shade of a sort)

The 'pretender' does not like to be uncovered as your own selfmade and selfdefined DEVIL=LIVED. It cannot exist without you existing in a form able to 'image' yourself physically.

I do use what you named a "golden rule" but it does BOTHER me A LOT...when others do not do that. If everyone and everything is a mirror..to me...than there are a lot of things i should carefully consider but i think that in a lot of cases...human animals simply ignore the golden rule (despite what my actions are) and do/behave/tell to me what they would not want to be done to them...this can make me feel "unpleasant"....angry...and also it is energy draining...especially when i try my best not to react in a "negative" way....sadness Despite all that i can not get rid of the feeling it is me that is doing something wrong...or is it that i just always feel automatically guilty.

The path of selfdiscovery and selfawareness is long and often torturous; however you have eternity to complete your journey.

Maximum polarization program....just how more maximum can/will it go? Do you know? Or is it up to us? Can it go so far that at the "end" there will remain only one side of polarization or is that impossible?

The timeline ends in warptime on April 1st, 2012. The starhuman baby will be born on December 21st, 2012 and the 'weaning' time ends on August 4th, 2013. Maximum polarisation ends March 31st, 2012.

It feels like a program for maximum s***t hole of the universe (i wonder who programmed it). It could use an update or at least a hot-fix. I "demand" new futures! :)

As cocreator your 'demands' are subject to your individual efforts to negotiate desired outcomes.

By stating I AM ... i am that i am or i am that am i .... this helps me focus/control what i think? How so? By acknowledging my existence as individual...i hmm what - can be classified as a sentient being? How does that help me?

There are thousands of books and articles on the web for you to familiarise yourself with 'affirmations'.
I recommend to you a trilogy: 'Conservations with God', by Neale Donald Walsh (I do NOT endorse the follow up selfhelp material as it is one a dozen; the original trilogy is however excellent an in concordance with the Archives of Thuban).

Isn't thought mastery something that eastern philosophy teaches how to obtain during lifetime...and some try it all life time via various techniques but ultimately fail or make some progress but not the complete self mastery?

Well, you may have guessed, that the 'sitting crosslegged under the trees and humming Omm' is not a significant part and parcel of the Thuban philosophy.

To master thoughts? Just that...ok.."no pressure". :)

Just try to be yourself and cease your judgemnts of yourself and others.
Let God awaken within you - it can be very natural.

AA

[abraxasinas]

What is this Book of Dragons that is being referred to?

It is a mythological account of 'what if' nature, tempest garden.

AA

[abraxasinas]

This is a great post dear Sirebard, thanks! A lot of this I have come to realize myself from fasting and experimenting with various types of diets... although I never thought to consider that many of these 'food consciousnesses' might be originating from some far away source..

Do bananas come from Venus?

Not to my knowledge Phtah. I thought they come from Southern America, in crates, often accompanied by Tarantulas.

Can you list some of the more popular fruits and veggies... and their origins?

Here I think a website might be more appropriate. As said the vegies and fruits are Gaian BUT have ET intelligences associated with thir terrestraial physicality and origins.

I also found your posts about animals very interesting. Being a long time cat owner myself I couldn't help but notice in Avatar that the race from pandora was based off of Felinaes.

The Feline archetype is very potent, as it allows galactic synchronisation between Anrdromeda (the Lioness) with Perseus/Milky Way (the Lion of Judah).

Where are mice from? They way lab rats are treated... The must have a real beef to pick with us. As well as all those other 'farmed' animals :thumbdown:

Yes I agree with you 100%. The most 'karmic' abuse of the Gaian animals are the laboratory 'experiments' on monkeys, dogs, cats and the rodents.
There is today no longer any scientific necessity for such 'experiments' or the hunting of animals for their pelts (seals, minks, ferrets etc); as the science has the utility for comparative substituing materials.

Where do the rodents come from?
When the dinosaurs became extinct in the Mesozoic era; the rodents of the Cretaceous period (so 100 million years ago) became the root survivors in the hybridisation of the 'furred reptilians" (Pecylosaurs or Paramammals).
Then in the next era of the Cenozoic, the mammals grew into their prehistoric sizes; many of the rodents however remaining relatively small to fill the niches of the environment.
Rodents, like crocodiles (from archosaurs predating the dinosaurs) and sharks so are the 'great survivors' of climactic catastrophies.

Rodents fundamentally represent the reptilian-mammalian hybridisation and so are human ancestors.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Propagation of the Dragonian Race via the seductive induction of the humanoid lifeforms on the conquered planet New Earth, now renamed DRAGONIAEARTH=SERPENTlNA=121=Q5.

On the face of it do we really want to be a conquered race after Gaia ascends? Are we or have we been seduced? It sounds like earth is being set up as a Sink (Black Hole) to swallow the rest of the solar system.

The fact is Humanity should take it's lead directly from the Creator. No Go betweens or fantasy stories that fit the Logos. Just because it fits doesn't mean it is reality. We choose our reality or we have it chosen for us.

Regards,
Initiate.

You do not understand Initiate.

Human+Dragon=StarHuman as the New Cosmic Man, realised from the Old Cosmic Man (Vitruvius aka Purusha aka Adam Kadmon aka You).

AA

[abraxasinas]

Greetings Abraxas,

This is some thread you have here... i feel that i have journeyed
through all of the dimensions at once as i read the 42 pages and
it is still going strong. Some rough bits there earlier on with
the Dragon Slayers but balance has been restored - mirror mirror
on the wall... gives a whole new perspective of the verses -
'judge not lest you be judged'. There is magic here.

66=THUBAN=FREEDOM=THE MAGIC=...indeed passenger.

You mention that the 4th dimension will inherit the 3rd dimension.
Or at least all that is ready for ascension/harvest.
Is 4D not just a mental/astral plain full of assorted beings with
a lot of baggage/issues and like to play games with entities on
the 3D plain. Is this also not where the Magi go to do the same.

Yes this is correct, the 4D AT PRESENT is the 'astral plane'. When the 4D is rendered 5D however, then this 'astral plane' is reconfigured as stated by many many 'New Agers' (Edgar Cayce and Sheldon Nile for one).

If so then how will this 3D+4D=New World co-exist with the present
and quite often insane group from the current 4D occupants?
It will take some time to get used to the form and the formless
in a natural co-existence... assuming i have any of this correct
at all.

As I have said many times before by now; the 3D is the Core for the 4D, like the kernel of a peach.
Now only the hard kernel exists, THEN this kernel will have a softer envelope. They will coexist, the 4D being however relatively 'invisible' for the ones not able to 'tune into in self-resonance'.

BTW - i have been seeing a swiss cheese reality for some time now.
With - 'so it seems' - different parts of my vision in different
realities of completely different matter. Some parts fade in and out
and sometimes other parts become malleable or like liquid. Happens
more and more often now.

There you are you are preparing yourself for the 3D-4D interaction on the collective scale through your selfinteraction on the individual scale.

Which brings me to another question... if the gates are already open
then are there already some ascended 'StarHumans' in the New World ?
Acting as the ground crew for the oncoming 4D newbies. The greeting
party as it were.

No stargates are as yet open on the earth and out to a distance of 2 million kilometers. The sun's stargates HAVE OPENED, as you can see by the photographic evidence posted on this forum and elsewhere.

Thanks for the inspiration you have given me to better understand
my understanding.

-P

You seem to be doing very well indeed passenger.

AA

[abraxasinas]

If I may reply to you in the matter of the red marked text above: and please consider that this is only how I understand this:

I often use a simple analogy when I try to explain the issue with 'many in one, and one in many', or as I state in my signature ...'and we are all one as I am one'. How is it that we are individually paired/duobled...while at the same time still part of the whole?

You just taka a piece of paper, torn it in two halves and then torn the one half in many small pieces apart...now you're seing 'MANY' small pieces that 'descent' from 'ONE'...These pcs contain the same energy and material patterns, they are one and the same with the previous, still in ONE, piece of paper.

What do you get here? You get the individual (small piece of paper) that is 'ONE' in consistence with the previous big piece of paper that used to consist of infinite 'MANY' pieces of paper, but before torning it apart.

This is also how I understand the saying that we were created in the image of God, as it means the same. The small pieces of papers are us and we're MANY, and we all descent from the ONE.

Following is an excerpt from Gio's Thread about Dan Brown's Lost Symbol:

Our physical bodies have evolved over the ages,
but it is our minds that were created in the image of God...

We are creator's, and yet we naively play the role of 'the created.'

We see ourselves as helpless sheep bufferted around by the God who made us. We kneel like frightened children, begging for help, for forgiveness, for good luck...

once we realize that we are truly created in the Creator's image, we will start to understand, we, too, must be Creators.

When we understand this fact,
the doors will burst wide open for human potential...

I hope this analogy helps you to understand your real YOU!

Your excellent reply bears repeating malletzky; thank you.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Dear Abraxasinas,
one month ago you started the thread ThubanQ&A.today there are already 42
pages.
sometimes I was laughing sometimes crying by reading through the postings.
It was "quote" a roll a coaster for some readers.
But some of us if we are honest have had at least an "Aha experience" iow an inspiration of inner knowledge even a hint to enlightment.
For myself it was sometimes a trigger to remember.........
It is about towake up our inner knowledge
which we forgot
this is the real "red thread" which runs through the Thuban story
that`s why I want to Thank you
for all your efforts work time and wise words which you share with us.
that`s why I dont care if it is sifi a space opera gnostic with science etc.
I like the ThubanQ&A:wub2:
Thank you sweet Sabina, Rider of the Dragon!

Your comment here describes the Thuban agenda in a nutshell:

"It is about to wake up our inner knowledge which we forgot
this is the real "red thread" which runs through the Thuban story"

AA

[abraxasinas]

I think all of our collective heads are spinning in a good way. This thread made me use parts of my brain that I dont usually use. It made me rethink so many different things. It made me not think of everything so black and white.
Thank you Council of Thuban and Abrax for this information.


You are welcome halebox and it is pleasing to know, that some readers and forum participators indeed understand the Thuban agenda in its utility for the individual.

AA

[whitefluffy]

dear abraxasinas,

will you consider a reply for me?
i really am interested, to know your thoughts.
Am i being impatient, as usual?[:sad:

[Initiate]

You do not understand Initiate.

Human+Dragon=StarHuman as the New Cosmic Man, realised from the Old Cosmic Man (Vitruvius aka Purusha aka Adam Kadmon aka You).

AA

Hi Abrax ,

Don't get me wrong. I get that. what I don't get is the need to be seduced and conquered. If this is truely mans destiny then we should not need to be seduced and conquered. This sounds like the Borg from star trek. What is the destiny of the white drogon. I have read the book "The White Drogon" by Anne McAffrey (not sure of spelling) but what is the destiny of the undragonised Human?

[abraxasinas]

[I]dear abraxasinas,

i see you live in good ol aus.
The native inhabitants of this continent maintain they have always been here. i believe them. No, out of africa theory, arrogant Westerners! Having lived & worked many years with indigenous groups in SA i.e. Pitjantjatjara, Adnyamathanha, i am interested to know your thoughts.
i know they all have seven sisters dreaming stories; pleaides figures large as does the rainbow serpent. Your thoughts on this?

The Seven Sisters are a very potent universal archetype, as they represent the basic seven principles (with antiprinciples), which allowed the physical creation of the universe from its metaphysical archetypes. (see other posts for details).
Baiame, the Rainbow Serpent of the Dreamtime is a forerunner for the biblical archetype of Noah's Rainbow Covenant with God in Genesis.9.13.
So you can see that the worldwide creation archetypes derived from that of the Australian aboriginee.

Even scientifically, the discovery of Mungo Man (and Mungo Woman) near near Lake Mungo near Broken Hill and dated to so 60,000 years ago, has shown that the ancestors of Mungo Man could not have come from Africa, as the remains did not conform to any Homo Erectus bones for the last 200,000 years ors o (Mitochondrial Eve and Out-Of-Africa) hypothesis. Furthermore the DNA of Mungo Man is now extinct, and being different from the Out-Of-Africa DNA, so scientifically 'disproves' Mungo Man's migration from Africa beginning 200,000 years ago.

It so is anthropological consensus (away from scientific (funding-tenure) politics), that the ancestors of Mungo Man must be a multiregional Homo Erectus type on a par with say Peking Man of so 850,000 years ago. It is believed, that 'rats' crossed the Indonesian archipelago 2 million years ago and so multiple migrations of the later Homo Erectus types becomes feasible. The 'Hobbit' or Homo Floresiensis so also becomes a now extinct form of the multiregional Homo Erectus to Homo Sapiens transition.

There is something particularly ancient about, well, all of Australia, but in my own experience, SA and Flinders Ranges in particular; Wilpena Pound, Chambers Gorge, do you know of these places?
one can feel it whispering.:wub2:

I agree with you. Uluru, aka Ayers Rock is THE Polar Beacon for the 'spiritual' communication between Gaia and the Cosmic Center for the Southern Hemisphere.
The Egyptian Pyramid-Sphinx complex is the Northern counterpart.

AA

[Phtha]

Do bananas come from Venus?

Not to my knowledge Phtah. I thought they come from Southern America, in crates, often accompanied by Tarantulas.


:mfr_lol: well I think it was Manly P Hall that mentioned Bananas oringinating from Venus. I suppose he was talking about the banananess of bananas. :lol3:

Speaking of Felinaes/Felidae. I remember reading somewhere that the Egyptians thought that cats with 3 colours held special properties. Can you add anything to that? These questions are quite o/t compared to the main theme of things I suppose, so feel free to ignore. ;)

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abrax ,

Don't get me wrong. I get that. what I don't get is the need to be seduced and conquered. If this is truely mans destiny then we should not need to be seduced and conquered. This sounds like the Borg from star trek. What is the destiny of the white drogon. I have read the book "The White Drogon" by Anne McAffrey (not sure of spelling) but what is the destiny of the undragonised Human?

Dear Initiate!

Should you read the part, which you commented on, of the essay again, then you will see there, that it is stated, that all 'nondragonised' humans are to be treated like 'White Dragon Children'.

Also, can you not fathom that the SEDUCTION of a Man (or a Woman) by another 'courtier' can be a highly desirable manouver?

We Thuban males LOVE to be SEDUCED by our sexual desirees. We Thubans LOVE to be conquered in such games.

There is more to words, than a stereoptypical interpretation of the semantics.

AA

[abraxasinas]

:mfr_lol: well I think it was Manly P Hall that mentioned Bananas oringinating from Venus. I suppose he was talking about the banananess of bananas. :lol3:

Speaking of Felinaes/Felidae. I remember reading somewhere that the Egyptians thought that cats with 3 colours held special properties. Can you add anything to that? These questions are quite o/t compared to the main theme of things I suppose, so feel free to ignore. ;)

Actually, this is the Thuban perspective on the Gaia-ET connection and hybridisation: the BANANANESS relating to Banana Consciousness.
All Venusian lifeforms are higherD. If you travel to Venus in a rocket, you will find an atmosphere of sulphuric acid and carbon dioxide, not very hospitable to Gaian biochemical lifeforms.

The three colours mean unification: Red-Green-Blue is a primary colour triplet; Cyan-Magenta-Yello is a secondary and Orange-Turquoise-Indigo and Lime-Aquamarine-Purple are tertiary.

AA

[Initiate]

Dear Initiate!

Should you read the part, which you commented on, of the essay again, then you will see there, that it is stated, that all 'nondragonised' humans are to be treated like 'White Dragon Children'.

Also, can you not fathom that the SEDUCTION of a Man (or a Woman) by another 'courtier' can be a highly desirable manouver?

We Thuban males LOVE to be SEDUCED by our sexual desirees. We Thubans LOVE to be conquered in such games.

There is more to words, than a stereoptypical interpretation of the semantics.

AA

I have read that part dear abrax.

How do you treat your white dragon children? I want to know more please. Hence the reason for the question. Please don't take these questions as an attack. They are just exploratory

[Spregovori]

Why should I not? The agenda of Thuban spans more avenues, than the Project Avalon.



I noticed your presence (time on site) was reduced a little...i just asked to see if you are ok. It is nice to read you are active here and also other places.

[Phtha]

Yah I realize that... but has Venus always been only higherD or did it support life in the 3rd before?
This reminds me of a question I asked earlier. I have been taken very lucid to Venus a few times by a golden ball or light which you mentioned was my merkaba... which makes sense. The discourse with my merkaba always happens from a 3rd person perspective. I see it in front of me and it 'asks' me questions such as "do you want to stay here or go back to Earth now?" ect... is this usual to have a 3rd party convo with ones own merkaba?
I'm hoping to do this again soon and see if I can recognize it as my own chariot during dreamtime.


All Venusian lifeforms are higherD. If you travel to Venus in a rocket, you will find an atmosphere of sulphuric acid and carbon dioxide, not very hospitable to Gaian biochemical lifeforms.

AA

[whitefluffy]

I agree with you. Uluru, aka Ayers Rock is THE Polar Beacon for the 'spiritual' communication between Gaia and the Cosmic Center for the Southern Hemisphere.
The Egyptian Pyramid-Sphinx complex is the Northern counterpart.

Connection betwwenn ancient aborigines and worldwide culture?

homo floriensis,
migrated do you think, guess it wasnt far away?

Abraxasanis,
thankyou for your response,

youre a busy boy over there in Queanbeyan!:cup: :original: :shocked:




much obliged for your ideas,
fluffy

[abraxasinas]

I have read that part dear abrax.

How do you treat your white dragon children? I want to know more please. Hence the reason for the question. Please don't take these questions as an attack. They are just exploratory

How do Dragons treat their 'White Dragon Children'?
- Like newborn babies, totally dependent on their parental and like carers; unable to know in comparative relativism, who they are, where they are and what they are doing.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Yah I realize that... but has Venus always been only higherD or did it support life in the 3rd before?
This reminds me of a question I asked earlier. I have been taken very lucid to Venus a few times by a golden ball or light which you mentioned was my merkaba... which makes sense. The discourse with my merkaba always happens from a 3rd person perspective. I see it in front of me and it 'asks' me questions such as "do you want to stay here or go back to Earth now?" ect... is this usual to have a 3rd party convo with ones own merkaba?
I'm hoping to do this again soon and see if I can recognize it as my own chariot during dreamtime.

No phtah, Venus, in its 3D history never allowed any 3D lifeforms, except the chemical and elemental forms indicated.

But because of its proximity to the Sun, the higherD lifeforms of Venus are very rich and engaging.
Think of a solar flare as an intelligent plasmic energy form, which in 3D appears banal and easily explained, but in consciousness representing a higherD sentience, say as an 'elemental Fire Salamander'.

So the many 'accounts' of Venusians is definitely valid, as the ET intelligences would 'incarnate' on Venus much more often, than on Earth or Mars, due to the Sun's 'Stargate'=Black Hole-White Hole dyad being the NATURAL entry point into the local starsystem.

Your one-to-one relationship with your merkabah reads very harmonious indeed and bespeaks of your Thuban/Dragon resonances.

AA

[abraxasinas]

I agree with you. Uluru, aka Ayers Rock is THE Polar Beacon for the 'spiritual' communication between Gaia and the Cosmic Center for the Southern Hemisphere.
The Egyptian Pyramid-Sphinx complex is the Northern counterpart.

Connection betwwenn ancient aborigines and worldwide culture?

homo floriensis,
migrated do you think, guess it wasnt far away?

Abraxasanis,
thankyou for your response,

youre a busy boy over there in Queanbeyan!:cup: :original: :shocked:

They all 'migrated' in the 800,000 + timeline of the Homo Erectus into Homo Sapiens transition.
It would seem obvious, that Neanderthalensis, Floriensis and Rhodesiensis all represented the Homo Erectus type then converging in Homo Sapiens and the Cro Magnon type of 30,000 years ago.
It is simply the case, that the Northern Erectus types became extinct with Cro Magnon, whilst the Southern Mungo Man type became the Erectus ancestor for the Australian Aboriginal in the Homo Sapiens hybridisation.
In that manner then, the Australian Aboriginal becomes the Oldest representative of the common human ancestor.

The second oldest representative would then be the descendents of Peking Man, i.e. the Chinese.
The Southern American stock would have migrated via the Northern American continent from the Asian mainland (Bering Straight).





much obliged for your ideas,
fluffy

AA

[whitefluffy]

thankyou abraxasinas,
I have seen docoumentaries that showed aust. Aborigines
developed seafaring craft and spread to the americas?

so then, aust aboriginal , oldest living continuous culture on earth?
One more question then, where do "white" people come from, they do not seem, to me, to be native to this earth?

p.s. sorry if mis-spelt your name previously.

[abraxasinas]

My dear Abraxas,

If humans depend on the vibratory rate of the collective and the vast majority still feels “trapped” within it, what would be the best way to break free for the skeptic one (or someone who is not really "attunned" yet)?

Hi Juli!
The 'skeptic' in a sense will have an easier 'time' to adapt, than the 'true 'supernaturality' believer'.
Both are 'tunnel-minded', in not accomodating 'deviating ideas'; but the skeptic, priding himherself on 'scientific rationality' will be able to 'rationalise' and accept physical changes in the environment; whilst the supernaturalist will relate physical environmental changes to the 'works of the devil' or such.

This is the 'good thing' about the general 'brainwashing' of the populus. Over 95% of 'fence sitters' will simply adapt to a new 'status quo' without questioning such changes.
As before, this 95% will seek to 'be guided' by whatever 'change of guard' has eventuated.

The other 5% includes the 'Powers-That-Be' (PTB), who have fully accepted the ET-esoterica-spiritual reality of the human history at a 'central neutral position' and the two polarisations of the skeptical rationalists and the supernaturalists.
The so called 'New Agers' and relatives so are most closely able to 'contra' the neutral position of the say illuminati-luminari (brotherhood of the serpent); - as long as the 'alternatives' can 'overcome' their own brainwashing and infiltration(mainly by disinformation regarding ETs, UFO etc) by the PTB.

Is it fair to say that the awakened ones are helping the un-awakened by their mere presence making efforts to awaken someone else really unnecessary? In this sense, at least to me, STO originates with STS first.

Yes, the mere presence is sufficient as the 5% is halved in so 2.5% (actually 2.77%) say as 200 Million in 7,200 Million.


Many talk about transmuting the lower energies and blockages into love, etc. etc. perhaps because they’ve found out they’ve done it after the fact. Humans are very impatient in nature and want to know how to do this. I’ve found that it’s very hard to convey to someone else an experience that is so intimate and unique for each one. I know each awakens at their own time and I’m sure the ones who have “heard the call” being lightworkers (or whatever they like to call themselves), have found a way to deal with these issues because they are more aware than most. Many of them think they have mastered everything and have no issues whatsoever to work on anymore, and perhaps some have. But, what troubles me is that some “New Agers” sound very self- righteous and I think this creates more of a divide than anything else; not to mention the infiltration of the PTB in order to cause even more confusion. The “average-Joe” instinctively rejects what cannot be proven and felt fist hand perhaps due to the intense programming experienced.


Yes, you have discerned this very well indeed. Some of the most self-righteous personas I have encountered, call themselves 'New Age', 'Lightworkers', 'Enlightened Goddesses/Gods' etc. etc.
Much of the 'New Age' is more based on egocentricity, than the 'Skeptics Socities'.
An easily applied criteria is always the fiscal angle. Does the 'New Age' 'make money' or 'build careers' and if so, does this lead to extravagant lifestyles?
Engaging in lecture tours and such, can certainly be a noble endeavour; but a 'true advocate of the spirit' would NOT change his 'individual lifestyle' to correlate with say 'travel necessities' and then go on holidays on yachts or live in extravagant mansions like a filmstar, whilst 90% of humanity lives in physical poverty and deprivation. The disinformations I have already mentioned in the paragraph above this one in preemtiness.



So, my question is: What is the best way to approach friends and family members about the need to prepare for this “Shift of the Ages”? What about the people we don't know? How to help them? Do the Thubans have some practical advice they can share now as to how to be in sympathetic resonance with the energies coming to Earth?


Yes, simply tell your truth as you see, experience and feel it, without fearing consequences such as ostracism or loss of your status as a peer in whatever group mileu you find yourself associated with. Of course the more data you have to feed your superconscious in remembrance through the mirror of the subconscious for your waking consciousness, the more able you will become to 'believe' your own truth.


What do the Thubans think of the 10 commandments? Is Billy Meier’s “Talmud of Immanuel” a hoax?

The 10 commandments became replaced by Yeshuah's 2 commandments; not in the spirit of the 'You shall not..', but in the interpretation into lawfulness.

About Billy Meier. The below critique on Jim Deardorff's claims about the 'sterilization of women' being an anachronism (forgery in application of time sequencing) at least indicates that at least some of the Meier material and including the 'Talmud of Immanuel' material serves self-propagandist purposes.
(see http:/http://home.swipnet.se/corbie/Fuskwww/dear.html/ (http://co123w.col123.mail.live.com/http://home.swipnet.se/corbie/Fuskwww/dear.html/) )

Sometimes the lack of any quotation marks leaves doubt as to where a quotation ends and the narration recommences. Then the translator or editor may misplace the end-quotation mark. There is one spot in the TJ where this appears to have occurred:
TJ 12:4-5 (4) It is written, however, "Whosoever commits adultery and fornication shall be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized." (5) If unbetrothed men and women bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other, they shall be punished also, for those fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized.
The quotation marks are shown here where the German editions of the TJ have placed them, at least up through its 2001 edition. However, the clause "because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws..." must be where Jmmanuel's words have resumed (...)

Proves nothing except that Meier made his quote a bit too long for Deardorff's taste.
The quoted passage is interesting from other points of view though. It speaks of sterilization of women, a surgical procedure which requires opening the abdominal cavity. Such surgery was unknown before the 19th century. This is clearly an anachronism.
The phrase "bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other" is also an obvious anachronism which reflects the modern idea of "falling in love" as a precondition for sex. An ancient text speaking of careless extramarital sex would simply have said "fornication".


I do NOT support the overall skeptical 'debunking' of all such 'New Age' material, as stated by the author, but support the above rationalisation and evidence.
In the TJ it is claimed that Jesus was born 6AD, a date not supported by the Thuban archives (there it is 6 BC).


What do the Thubans think of adultery and killing in self defense?

Adultery does not exist as a 'lawbreaking' statute in Thuban; as there 'is no marriage in the kingdom of God'. The soul by definition will be FREE to pursue its path towards unification (in reflection) with the primal source.
On Thuban, it is the female (expressed from the quadruplistic genetic complex), which is genetically and biologically defined to engage multiple partners. This also was the natural law on Gaia in the matriarchical societies.
In practical terms it is 'much harder' for a male to satisfy multiple female partners, than vice versa.
This does not mean that temporary monogamous partnerships are discouraged; the emphasis is that no 'marriage contracts' of 'ownership' and such are 'made law' on Thuban.

As the soul is immortal by definition; the 'killing in self defense' is rather similar to any other 'killing'. The perpetrators and victims are both required to process their thoughts, deeds and actions in self-consciousness self-awareness.


What do the Thubans think of demonic possession and exorcism?


Once the label 'demon' is understood to be part of the 'occultized' superconscious selfhood; the idea of something other than self possessing this self becomes untenable.
In 4D the astral notions of the Incubus (male demon possessing a female 'sleeper' say sexually) and the Succubus (as the female demon possessing the male) have a potent reality relative to the 3D 'sleepers'.
On Thuban, the Incubus and Succubus become the fourfolded sexual selfhood in a form of highly eroticised Self-Possession.


How do the Thubans explain Stigmata?

A real manifestation of 'astral' 4D energy manifesting in 3D by ElectroMagnetoMonopolic Radiation EMMR-selfinduction (EMMR=Scientific Definition for the Spirit as differentiated sourcew energy).

How do the Thubans explain spontaneous human combustion? Does this happen also in a different world or dimension or ET race?

This is a related EMMR induction, manifesting through the circulatory nerve-neuronal-blood channels linked by endocrine (chakra) systems.
If a biochemical system like the human body exists, this energy transform can occur. It is however always based on the 3D core-seed.


What does the X symbol mean for the Thubans? Will it mean the same as this cross (+)?


X=24 and relates to the Egyptian hieroglyph and ren=name of the cartouche of the Ankh. It is the 2nd resonance of the perfect number F=6=Mirror of Hathor, the 1st resonance being O=15=Circle=Sirius=Sothis=(Tarot Devil).
It symbolises Immortality in say the 24 Elders about the 4 Elemental Beasts about the Monad of 'God's Throne' in (archetyped) heaven.

What does it mean if a child sees this (X), say… on the walls; at the same time she starts seeing people’s auras? Does it mean anything if a child always draws the combined symbol of one superimposed on the other?

It's again this most potent archetype of the immortality of the soul. A child doing what you describe REMEMBERS its own immortal selfhood of the disincarnate selfstate.


Could a walk-in experience happen at childhood? Do all walk-ins know they are one?

Walk-Ins DO NOT replace the existing soul, but complement the same. So a walk-in can occur at any time in the incarnation and simply represents a 'soul merger' leading to an enhanced remembrance of the 'family-soul'. A walk-in so simply represents a 'fuller' expression of the soul, as all souls are just such Family-Souls, as for example exhibited in the fundamental quadropolar sexual cosmic identification matrix.


Some think Jesus is incarnate and walks on Earth at this time as Maitreya. What do the Thubans think of this?

Indeed Jesus is 'walking the earth' - as a 'hidden' part of the Family-Soul within EVERYONE.
This was the purpose of the Resurrection and the Transfiguration from the 'individual particle form' into its encompassing waveform.

So all the 'crazy ones', claiming to be Jesus are actually correct in their underinformed selfexpression of 'the (w)hol(e)y name'.
All the ones expecting or 'manufacturing' some 'future' individual, say emerging from a spacecraft as 'Jesus of Nazareth' or the 12th Imam or Kalki or a new Buddha or Maitreya are in a manner 'deluded' or 'deceived' by their own expectations and mistranslations of the archetyped 'holy writs'.

The crux (x=+) of the matter is that 'Jesus' knocks on all doors/hearts KNOWING that heshe is already there.
It then becomes the 'AntiChrist's' 'task' to attempt to 'deny entry' for the 'Cosmic Christ' in its required and necessitated function to fulfil all prophecies and timelines to the latter's completion.

Abraxasinas



best regards,


Juli

[abraxasinas]

thankyou abraxasinas,
I have seen docoumentaries that showed aust. Aborigines developed seafaring craft and spread to the americas?

Yes, whitefluffy, this is on 'the cards' as a supplementary avenue to the Bering Strait-American Continental migrations.

so then, aust aboriginal , oldest living continuous culture on earth?


This is the Thuban perspective as the oldest surviving stock of the Homo Erectus Homo Sapiens transition.

One more question then, where do "white" people come from, they do not seem, to me, to be native to this earth?

The 'Caucasian' stock derives from the Cro Magnon type' not the Australian type, the latter deriving from the Indonesian transit, also related to the Floriensiensis.

The Caucasian derives from the Rhodensiensis type and then becomes 'genetically mutated' by the ET-induction from the higherD (not lowerD).

So in some sense, the middle eastern-mesopotamian type represents a 'Green Race' politisized as the 'Chosen People'.
The 'Blue Race' can be said to be the 'Polar Race' so defining the Descendents of Mungo Man.

All races however became ET-inducted:
Mongoloid=Yellow in Far Asia
Amerindian=Red in the North and Brown in the South
Negroid=Black in Africa
Caucasoid=White in Europe

Here is an excerpt from the Thubanese archiveal definitions:

1=Kinship of WhiteSkins of Father-Sky in a Rainbow Arcticus Cyani
2=Kinship of BlackSkins of Mother-Earth in a Rainbow Antarcticus Magenti
3=Kinship of GreenSkins of Elemental-Child in a Rainbow Indianus Oceanis
4=Kinship of YellowSkins of Elemental Fire of the Lights in a Rainbow Pacificus Boreas OutSim
5=Kinship of BrownSkins of Elemental Earth of the Lands in a Rainbow Atlanticus Eurus InSim
6=Kinship of BlueSkins of Elemental Air of the Winds in a Rainbow Pacificus Auster InSim
7=Kinship of RedSkins of Elemental Water of the Seas in a Rainbow Atlanticus Zephyrus OutSim

1='The Land of my Lost Sheep and my Found Goat'=EPHESUS---{Revelation.2.1-7}
2='The Land of my Origins in the RNA'=SMYRNA---{Revelation.2.8-17}
3='The Land of my Grapes and Sounds in Om and Noises'=PERGAMOS---{Revelation.2.12-17}
4='The Land of my Theatres and my Crowns'=THYATIRA---{Revelation.2.18-29}
5='The Land of my Rising in Sadness and Hope'=SARDIS---{Revelation.3.1-6}
6='The Land of my Oracles of Love and Poles'=PHILADELPHIA---{Revelation.3.7-13}
7='The Land of my Loaded Dice and Lead in Coins'=LAODICEA---{Revelation.3.8-22}


p.s. sorry if mis-spelt your name previously.

I did not even notice; so you see how important this is to me.

AA

[Phtha]

Hi Sirebard. Have you written any detailed information on the thuban perspective of the merkaba? I was hoping you can expand on this a little..


Your one-to-one relationship with your merkabah reads very harmonious indeed and bespeaks of your Thuban/Dragon resonances.
AA

Also I am interested in learning more about the salamanders, Undines, and the other elementals. I never put my foot in murky water until I know for sure what I'll be stepping into though. So far I feel that Eliphas Levi explains the risks and the rituals required to contact elementals pretty well in transcendental magik. Can you recommend any prime material for this?

Thanks!

[whitefluffy]

dear abraxasinas,

i sincerely appreciate your responses, thankyou for taking time out to do so. interesting, i will investigate your references.:original::wub2:

[SABINA]

dear abraxas,
I have a question about the sphinx of gizeh
why she has a lion head?
Has it something to do with andromeda feline conection?
according to some new geological views the sphinx is much more older than the
pyramids.
but still it looks like a guardian not for the pyramids but...
I am looking forward what
the council of Thuban has to offer about this
monumental statue.

Thanks a lot with all the best whishes have a got time sabina

[Firstlook]

Hello Abraxasinas,

I would like to ask If the Thuban records have a Unified Field Theory that is shared by type 2 and 3 type civilizations (defined by Mitchio kaku) within the 3D universe? Could you explain this through Mathematics please.

Thank you so much.


peace:original:

joey

[Frater]

:wub2:

Thank You All for this thread!

It's so mind blowing that I'm sure to be subconsciously digesting it for months. I may never cognisize it fully though I'm kicking it up to my higher self. I must admit to some skeptisizm though I also hope to one day understand it all.

LVX

[abraxasinas]

Hi Sirebard. Have you written any detailed information on the thuban perspective of the merkaba? I was hoping you can expand on this a little..

Hi phtha!

The merkabah according to Thuban is the enclosure of Virtruvius aka Purusha aka Cosmic Man ka Adam Kadmon.

The Square is Unitlength=1 for the diameter of the circle of 2X=2x0.618033.. i.. the 'Golden Ratio' of the 'sacred geometry'.
Radius R=X and 1-X=H-X for H=1.

Then the Golden Mean becomes: R/H=(1-R)/R R^2=1-R or R^2+R-1=0.




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Also I am interested in learning more about the salamanders, Undines, and the other elementals. I never put my foot in murky water until I know for sure what I'll be stepping into though. So far I feel that Eliphas Levi explains the risks and the rituals required to contact elementals pretty well in transcendental magik. Can you recommend any prime material for this?

The times being what they are, the 'manuals and rules' have changed and the empowerment of the individual is given in the INTENT and integrity of the 'alchemist'.
The 'prima materia' for this alchemy so is the 'consciousness' of the cosmic individual attuning herhis triune consciousness levels in the waking-sub-super transduction.

The 'Great Work' so is the alchemical self-transformation and as blueprinted in the Saphire Tablet of Moses; legendarily ascribed to the Egyptian Ibisgod Thoth and is supposedly his hieroglyphic legacy left as a testimonial in the Great Pyramid of Cheops or Khufu.
It was translated ages ago by German archaeologists and exists as a prototype in the 'Amphitheatrum Sapientae Aeternae of Heinrich Khunrath', the 'Amphitheatre of Eternal Wisdom' and is dated to 1609.

Verba secretorum hermetis!
(1) Verum sine menda cio certum & verissimum, quod est inferi est sicut quod est superius & quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius; ad peristranda miracula rei uni.
(2) Et sicut omnes res fuerunt ab uno, meditatione unius, sic omnes res nuta fuerunt ab hac una adaptatione.
(3) Pater ei, est sol, mater eius luna, portavit illud ventus in ventre.
(4) Suo nutrix eius terra est.
(5) Pater omnis talismi toti mundi.
(6) Est hic vis ei.
(7) Integra est sive fuerit in terram separabis terram ab igne, subtile & spisso, suaviter cum magno ingenio.
(8) Ascendit terra in coelum, iterumque descendit in terram & recipit vim superiorum & inferiorum.
(9) Sic habebis gloriam toti mundi.
(10) Ideo fugi atite omnis obscuritas.
(11) Hic est totius fortitudinis fortitudo fortis.
(12) Quia vincet omnem rem subtilem, omnem que solidam penetrabit.
(13) Sic mundus creatus est.
(14) Hinc erunt adaptationes mirabilis quarum modus hic est.
(15) Itaque vocatus sum Hermes Trismegistus, habens tres partes philosophie totis mundi.
(16) Completum est quod dixi de operatione solis.
Mercurius Trismegistus in Pimandro.

Das Wort des geheimnisvollen Boten
(1) Wahrhaftig, keiner Luegen bewusst und auf das aller wahrhaftigste; das Unten ist dem Oben gleich und das Obere is dasselbe als das Untere; damit kann man das wunderbare eines einzigen Dinges erlangen und verrichten.
(2) Und wie alle Dinge durch die Wahl eines einzigen Wesens erschaffen sind, werden alle Dinge durch das Denken eines Einzigen mit dem Einen durch Schickung und Gebot wieder zusammengefuegt.
(3) Die Sonne ist sein Vater und der Mond ist seine Mutter, der Wind hat ihn in seinem Bauch getragen.
(4) Seine Ernaehrerin oder Amme ist die Erde.
(5) Dieser ist der Vater aller Vollkommenheit dieser ganzen Welt.
(6) Seine Macht ist vollkommen.
(7) Wenn Es in der Erde verwandelt wird, dann wird das Erdreich vom Feuer scheiden und das Feine vom Groben; ganz lieblich mit grosser Bescheidenheit und Verstand.
(8) Er steigt von der Erde in den Himmel und vom Himmel wieder zur Erde zurueck und gewinnt so die Kraft des Oberen und des Unteren.
(9) Auf diese Weise wird all die Herrlichkeit der ganzen Welt erhalten.
(10) Deshalb versetze von Dir allen Unverstand und Unvermoegenheit.
(11) Das ist von aller Staerke die staerkste Staerke.
(12) Dann kann das uebriggebliebene Subtile gewonnen und das alte, harte Gewand durchdrungen werden.
(13) Also ist die Welt geschaffen.
(14) Daher geschehen seltsame Vereinigungen und deshalb werden mancherlei Wunder gewirkt.
(15) Und sei darum gesund, Hermes Trismegistus, Besitzer der dreiteiligen Weisheit von der ganzen Welt.
(16) Er wird alles erfuellen, was ich gesagt habe, vom Werke der Sonnen.
Merkur, der dreifach Grosse, in Pimandro.


The Emerald Tablet of the Secret Messenger
(1) Truly, without fault and in all certainty and truthfulness; what is below is like what is above and the above is the same as the below, for the purpose to experience and bring about the wonders of the one thing.
(2) And as all things are created through the choosing of one being; so the thinking of one with the one, brings all things by command and fate together again.
(3) His father is the sun and his mother is the moon; the wind has carried him in his womb.
(4) He is joined together and nursed by the earth.
(5) This is the father of all completeness of the entire world.
(6) His power is all inclusive.
(7) At the time of its renewal, the soil shall separate from the fire and the subtle from the rough, acting sweetly and with great ingenuity.
(8) He ascends sagaciously from the earth into heaven and then descends again into the earth, thus regaining the unifying force of the above and the below.
(9) In this way is all the glory of all the worlds obtained.
(10) Therefore avoid all ignorance.
(11) Herein is found in all strenght the strongest strength.
(12) By this can the remaining subtle whole be won and the old solid whole be penetrated.
(13) Thus is the creation of the world.
(14) Henceforth the eventuation of strange adaptations by extraordinary methods.
(15) Accordingly be well, Hermes Trismegistos, keeper of the tripartite wisdom of the unified worlds.
(16) He will accomplish all that of which I have spoken through the operations of the suns.
Mercury, the thrice-great, in Pimandro.

Thanks!

AA

[abraxasinas]

dear abraxas,
I have a question about the sphinx of gizeh
why she has a lion head?
Has it something to do with andromeda feline conection?
according to some new geological views the sphinx is much more older than the
pyramids.
but still it looks like a guardian not for the pyramids but...
I am looking forward what
the council of Thuban has to offer about this
monumental statue.

Thanks a lot with all the best whishes have a got time sabina

Dear Sabina!

The alignment of the Sphinx aka Hamarkhis, the 'Horus of the Horizon' refersto a precise East-West mapping of the celestial constellations at the midpoint of the 65 baktun count of the Maya, ending December 21st, 2012.
It so signifies the beginning of the Age of Leo (opposite Aquarius in 180 degrees) as the East-West alignment of the sphinx and its lion-human hybridisation (regerring to the divinity of the pharaohs).
The date for the BLUPRINTING of an exact mirror alignment between the 'Belt of Orion' and the three Gizean pyramid complex so becomes 4,680,000 days or 12,813.4048 (civil) years for July 27th, 10,802 BC.

At this time then the material foundation for the building and rebuilding of the pyramids were laid archetypically by the 'ET-Atlantean-PreEgyptians'.

Simultaneously, the Constellation of Draco was imaged above the Temples of Angkor in Thailand.




http://www.guardians.net/egypt/sphinx/images/s_sphnxd-2001.jpgThe Sphinx, Guardian of the Horizon of Time.

An Ode from the Guardian of the Horizon of Time!

DE MORTUIS NIL NISI BONUM
{Speak Nothing but Good of the Dead}

Out in the graveyard;
inscriptions, words and plaques, all withering away;
like the flowers adorning them, so the dead do lay.
Waiting and waiting for someone to remember them
and not just in photoalbums or on the special days.

Memorials are built, meaningless constructions - lest we forget!
They all are forgotten, given time enough to sigh, to pass away.
The living are so busy preparing for their own demise, to die.
Little do they know, the busy ones, that the dead are still alive.

They watch over the living ones, they do, from a place so far;
yet so near they are, but why would they watch the way they do?
To understand the mystery is the noble thing to do - a gallant quest.
They wish to be remembered, to join in soul and mind , the body's zest.

A marriage betwixt the dimensions, a holy union in heaven with hell.
But can the fearful thoughts of the living see, their lovehearts tell?
The living are like snowflakes, made of water, so unique one by one.
But they melt away, to be fluid again - into the one great ocean, gone!

The dead are all one in the great seas, waiting to crystallise again in two.
To wake up to a new life again, as a snowflake-twin, asking: 'Love me too!'
Eternal life awaits the living, could they only reply to the dead's request.
But the alive ones linger and doubt, in vanity do they live their only quest.

SIC TRANSIT GLORIA MUNDI
{Thus passes away the glory of the world}

KJV:Jeremiah.32.20: "Which hast set signs and wonders in the land of Egypt, even unto this day, and in Israel, and among other men; and hast made thee a name, as at this day;".

KJV:Matthew:24.27-28: "For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together."

Introduction to the Mystery of the Sphinx.

What is the 'Riddle of the Sphinx'?

The Sphinx is your Timekeeper; meaning it keeps time for the evolvement of the human species as incorporated aspect of the planetary evolution.

The office of this Sphinxian Observatory engages a Circle of Time, which begins on March 1st, 23615 BC and ends on December 21st, 2012.
The midpoint for this precessional cycle is highly significant in the history of humanity, as it depicts the physical manifestation of the Sphinx on Tuesday, the 27th of July 10802 BC.
At that time, the Constellations of the Milky Way, the Ourobosian Serpent, who swallows its own tail, were aligned in such a manner, that the stars of 'Belt of Orion or Osiris' became directly aligned with the Gizean pyramidal complex in Egypt.

The human history became magneto-induced via the biochemical DNA-Double-Helix in the polarisation of the nucleotidal basepairings.
In particular, the segmented DNA-geometry allows a back-to-back correlation of doubled pentagons to manifest the potential for a decagonal 'inner cyclindrical space', which then forms the conduit for the magnetoinduction from the natural superconductive electrocurrents, which pervade universal spacetime.

The Mayan precessional cycle so began with an enhanced Self-Programming utilised by the electromagnetomonopolic field defining the spacetime matrix and as 'prepared' in an arbitrary, but related previous cycle of precession.

The effect of the 'reprogramming' allowed the evolution of the early human from 'caveman and nomadic hunter and gatherer' to 'farmer and domesticator' to manifest rapidly in utility of the morphogenetic holism inherent in the spacetime matrix.

At the end of this precessional cycle, the 'farmer and domesticator' will similarly became empowered to potentialise a renewed 'programming' and to rapidly integrate into an extraterrestrial community, linked to the planetary evolvement as its holistic encompassment.

This precessional cycle was determined by the Mayan timekeepers and maps the Venus-Sun Transition of the 8-year eclipse cycle from 7th of June, 2004 with 5th of June 2012 as the 'Morning Star', symbolising the appearance of their messianic archetype of the 'Plumed Serpent' aka Kukulkan (Quetzacoatl of the Aztecs) as this particular 'Coming of a new Morning'.


This planetary evolution is required in the 'higher order of things', because this planet is destined to 'graduate' into a new planetary status of relevance to the rest of the universe also known as the extraterrestrial universe.

This planet Gaia is purposed to become a 'Dark Star', shining its 'Dark Light' like a focus point in the Hubble Universe into its surrounding extraterrestrial 'spacetime'.

The metamorphosis of Gaia into Serpentina requires a raising of the planetary group-consciousness.
This means in physical terms, that the ENERGY of Gaia, which is not physically defined in terms of the interaction between matter and electromagnetic radiation, must be accelerated or enhanced.

Many of you know of this as a 'raising of frequency'; but many of you cannot perceive that this 'raising' is interdependent on the materialistic universe in precise feedback mechanisms.

This feedback engages what you know as 'mind' and thought and consciousness and similar labellings.
This 'mind' then is closely related to the physical and biochemical processes, which occur in the material substance matter you label as say your 'thinking brain' and say in a form of electromagnetic energy and a kind of biovital electricity, interacting with a biochemical form of magnetism.

It suffices to share at this point, that the acceleration of the Gaian 'selfhood energy' is angular and so independent on the radial extent of 'space' as a medium of propagation.
This acceleration is what is defined as AWARENESS acting upon any present such 'space' however.

So the importance of the matter is to occupy spacetime and to allow, as medium of the awareness acceleration, for Gaia to become enhanced (or accelerated in consciousness) in its self-identification in terms of PLANETARY CONSCIOUSNESS.

This Planetary Consciousness then will allow all of you to share in a REBIRTHING process upon a successful completion of the GESTATION or the SELF-PREGNANCY.

Now the GESTATION for this BIRTH has begun quite some time ago and 38 years ago from the winter/summer solstice 2012 AD in its CONCEPTION in particular.
A 'normal' human gestation is about 9 months or about 265 days with a deviation of a week.

The ratio 38/9=4.2222 or about 4 years and 81 days as a beginning of the LABOUR PAINS and if we project the BIRTHDAY to December 21st 2012; then this chronological date of October 1st, 2008 will give you the reason for this information becoming available at this point in time.

In the course of this disposition and the storyline you may, if you so choose, become privvy to some of the greatest 'secrets of the universe' and some of the 'mysterious occurrences' of the past.


The 'Mystery of the Sphinx' is that of a Mother, keeping watch over her family.

There are many encodings which testify of this and most of you will dismiss those 'encryptions' as coincidental or as spurious or as ad hoc contrievances.

For this purpose then, on begins with some of the underpinning mathematics, which forms the basis for this code.

This code is ALPHANUMERIC and allows certain parts of words like syllabels and grammatical permutations of letters to form particular meanings in some particular language codes.

In due course, the engaged and interested readers of this message will understand the reasons for the chosen languages at this particular point in time and it's unique historical construction.

The chosen languages are relatively Modern English and the Arabic Alphabet and Numeracy.

Similar codes can of course also be constructed in other languages and numeric systems; but this particular dispensation represents a hybridal code between a language of antiquity, namely Hebrew with its alphanumeric associations; and its 'Modernisation' in the 'anglosaxonisation' extrapolated or superimposed.

After this, one can demystify the concept of CREATION and particularly as this idea is encoded in Hebrew scripture (Pentateuch, Genesis, Torah, Old Testament in the Christian Bible etc.).
For this purpose a detailed analysis of the appropriate calendrical systems, used for the 'measurement' of cyclic times becomes necessary.

Following, a detailed account for the correlation of modern (meaning 21st century) astronomical measurement-based 'time reckonings' with the calendars of antiquity, can be calculated.

Following, two 'Grand Sphinxian TimeCycles' shall crystallise, the First as a Forerunner for the Second.
The First Lesser Cycle shall encompass 38 years as a subset of 2019 years as the Greater Cycle.


The second timeloop shall then use the first timeloop as a SEED and as a culmination for a number of great sphinxian cycles and including an encompassing 'Precessional Cycle of 25,920 'Ancient Years' or AYs and where an AY has 360 Days as analogy to the 360 degrees in a geometric circle.

One 'Great Ancient Platonic Year' or a GAPY then presumes a precessional variation of 1 degree per 72 years and results in 360x72=25,920 'Ancient Years'.

A redefinition or refinement for the duration of a 'Precessional Cycle' is given in the 'Mayan LongCount Years' or MYs of 13 Baktuns, each baktun encompassing 144,000 Kin or 'Mayan Days'.

Five Mayan Years then encompass 5x13x144,000 Mayan Days or 5x1,872,000=13x720,000=9,360,000 Days.

A modern TROPICAL YEAR defines the 'time taken' for the earth to orbit the sun relative to the vernal equinox or as the 'First Day of Spring', when the sun crosses the celestial equator from south to north in the 'First Point of Aries' (in Right Ascension).
The vernal equinox moves westwards by about one seventh of an arcsecond (106.8 billionth of a total 360-degree cycle) per day as the precessional effect.
The spring-equinox of the northern hemisphere occurs on or near March 21st every year and is 'mirrored' in the spring-equinox of the southrern hemisphere and as the autumn-equinox of the northern hemisphere on or near September 23rd every year subdivided into the four seasons of spring, summer, autumn and winter.

The northern summer is the summer solstice on or near June 20th and 'reflecting' in the northern winter solstice on or near December 21st.

The northern seasons so are labeled as the First Points of Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn and are given as zodiacal transition points in Cardinality mutating from Mutability in: Pisces-Aries, Gemini-Cancer, Virgo-Libra and Sagittarius-Capricorn.

A Tropical Year in modern (referring to the 21st century) astronomical measurements comprises 365.24219 Days.

Five Mayan Years or 9,360,000 Days then become 25,626.83134.. Tropical Years as a REDEFINED GAPY and as a Grand Cycle of Precession.

65 Baktuns + 1 Day = 9,360,001 Days = 1,337,143 Weeks = 1,337,142 Weeks + CREATION WEEK and where now a GAPY comprises 25,626.83407... Tropical Years.

A Gregorian Year is defined as a Civil Year of 365.2425 Days and a Julian Year is defined as 365.25 Days.
The Gregorian calendar was instituted 1582 AD by Pope Gregory XIII to replace the Julian calendar of Julius Caesar of 45 BC.

The last day of the Julian calendar was Thursday, 4 October 1582 and this was followed by the first day of the Gregorian calendar, Friday, 15 October 1582 (the cycle of weekdays was not affected).
The Julian Date for Thu.4Oct.1582 is 2299160 and the JD for 15Oct.1582 is 2299161 for a calibration standard in time as noon GMT.

This Julian Day (JD) count is arbitrarily defined to begin at Day Zero as 1Jan.4713 BC.

The BC/AD transition so becomes the 2 Julian days of Fri.31Dec1BC as JD=1721423 to Sat.1Jan1AD as JD=1721424.


The Difference- 'Error' between a Tropical Year and a Gregorian Year is (.2425-.24219)/365.24219=8.48752x10-7 or 0.00031 Days per Tropical Year or 0.021 Years per GAPY or 7.9 Days per Precessional Cycle or about 8 days in 25,627 Years.

The Ancient Calendar makers and Timekeepers now observe the seasons in phases of the moon and the coming and going of the seasons.
In particular the daily setting of the sun in the EVENING is followed by its renewal in a dawn of the MORNING and the divison of a lunar month of about 29.5306 Days becomes specified in a four-week interval of 28 days.

The CREATION WEEK then becomes an arbitrary interval of 8 Days as a Subset of the GAPY and beginning on a 8th Day as a Zero- or Null-Point Day followed by the first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth and seventh Day. After the seventh Day, the eighth' day becomes a Mirror day of the zeroeth' day as a 'Reflection-Sabbath-Day' and from then onwards, a count of weeks of seven days, will specify a succession of sabbath-days, each 'day of reflection' mirroring the 'PAST week of BEFORE' into the 'FUTURE week of the AFTER'.

The Zeroeth Day becomes a MIRROR-Day of the BEGINNING, arbitrarily defined as a Starting Point of History relative to the ancient timekeeper, but within the Great Cycle of History of a GAPY.

Then ABRAXAS, the ancient Hebrew Timekeeper and pondering the past history of 'hisher people' and a history which was conveyed in stories told orally and written scripturally decided to BEGIN a PERPETUAL JEWISH CALENDAR in accordance and in the TRADITION of this conveyed past.


Future Shadows in the Time of Now


For the Eye of the Shaman of Ophis, the Eagleman and for the Ear of the Witch of Arachne, the Spiderwoman.
These translations form a continuity to the dispensations given under the Mayan code of honour (In Lak'ech!).
The 2009 timeline requires an extended polarisation between human factions, adhering to an agenda of increased separation; for the implementation of the timeline for the metamorphosis of the universe, centered on the planet of the humanoids, to proceed.
Only after the nexus point of December 6th, 2011 has been reached, will the necessity of depersonalisation and the absence of debate and commentary with respect to these Mayan messages, become increasingly apparent.
The reason for publishing certain facts on relatively obscure sites and forums then serves the purpose to allow cessation of opinionated analysis of probabilities regarding those facts and as witnessed in books, media channels, the internet and expert references.
These messages of 2009 so shall serve for clarification for those readers, who can identify with the Eye of the Shaman and the Ear of the Witch.

The major message is this.
The Mayan Precessional Year of 5x13x144,000=9,360,000 kin or 'mean solar days' will be fulfilled on December 21st, 2012 AD, having begun on July 27th, 10,802 BC as a precessional midway point.
This midway-point then mirrored another precessional median at about 23,616 BC and a greater cycle of humanity, which began about 36,429 BC with the advent of what is commonly understood to be 'Modern Man' or Homo Sapiens Sapies.
This date is also specified in the prophetic scriptures of the Judeo-Christian worldview (Genesis, Ezekiel, Daniel and Revelation) in a date beginning December 8th, 2004.
This latter date and the Mayan nexus are also indicated in the timeline of the Great Pyramid.
The human history so converges from the oldest timeline of the Sphinxian Pyramid as a midway precessional nexus to the Mayan calendar and the biblical reckonings.
These messages so convey a particular information to give due notice of preparedness; as once this 'shift in spacetime' has been attained, a certain metaphysical reality will no longer be subject to belief or opinionated suppositions.
This implies, that the 'unprepared in mind' will experience great difficulty to mentally process a particular 'new physical reality', revolving about the addition of a fourth spacial dimension to the present 4-dimensional Euclidean Minkowskian spacetime continuum.
The 'preparation' for this new dispensation so engages and requires a familarisation of the perceived 'selfhood' or individuation in the present climate of 'beingness' within an imagined 5-dimensional environment, in which the present reality reduces to a cross-sectional part of a greater and encompassing reality.
The true reality and as known by the adepts throughout the ages of humanity will then cease to be subject to ignorance, denial or ridicule; as this metaphysical reality will become understood to form a background for a c-invariant electromagnetomonopolic radiation matrix, no longer subject to the lightspeed barrier for inertial parameters.
The production of electromagnetic radiation by inertia carriers will become supplemented by the production of wormhole- or sourcesink string-energy by a mass- or inertia-precursive agencies.

In other words, considering this information within your own sense of relativity and your own frames of reference will allow you, should you so choose, to arrive at the appropriate (meaning unified or holistic or holographic) conclusions regarding thoses facts and a subsequent closure of opinionated ados and squabbling debates, based on various extrapolations upon those facts.
This first dispensation will address the Pyramid of Khufu of the Gizean complex in Egypt.
This subject matter is highly controversial, as it it well known in 'initiatory' circles located in 'high places', that the information encoded in the pyramid serves as a testimony and 'guideline' for the 'mental and physical' evolution for the terrestrial humanity in the collective and the individual sense.
It is so considered necessary by the 'echelons,' to sequester the 'deeper unified' interpretations and analysis from public discernment.
Having access to all and sundry information hitherto 'discovered' by the humanoid collective and without encumberances of fiscal restraints; the 'secretizers' use all means possible to disinform the populus via public media as to the importance of the pyramidal timelines and agendas.
The pyramidal agenda necessarily relate the metaphysical realities to their physical manifestations and expressions.
Therefore the analysis and research into the nature and purpose of the pyramid becomes very often 'emotionally charged' in a seeking of the harmony between the physical realism and its metaphysical or 'spiritual' derivative and progenitor.
The 'sequesterers' so utilize this 'climate of intensity' to filter any relevant information made public, be it based on scientific deduction and measurement or extrapolated superpositions of historical sources, such as prophetic scriptures and mythologies.
This becomes evident in the public acceptance of open legal slander with regards to labeling so called pyramidologists as pyramidiots.
No other topic matter 'scares' the 'echeloners' more, than should members of the 'ignorant' populus 'discover' the final 'hidden secrets' of the pyramid; as the complete 'decipherment' still eludes even the 'most initiated' 'leaders' and members of the 'independents'.
The many books and documents published on the Great Pyramid so are all 'incomplete' and contain extensive disinformation, no matter how 'authorative' they are presented by adherent or skeptic alike.

http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id101.html

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hello Abraxasinas,

I would like to ask If the Thuban records have a Unified Field Theory that is shared by type 2 and 3 type civilizations (defined by Mitchio kaku) within the 3D universe? Could you explain this through Mathematics please.

Thank you so much.


peace:original:

joey

Sure Joey!

Here is an introduction to the 'Unified Field Theory' of Thuban in somewhat 'easier to digest' mathematical formalism.
I have kept the semantics qualitative, but indicated the Genesis of the Genesis in terms of description, rather than mathematics.

The electron is indeed the cornerstone of particle physics in terms of the interface between the 'manifestation' and the (metaphysical) 'creation'.

As I have previously pointed out, in the 'real theoretical physics community', membrane physics is the 'only game in town'. Even Weinberg is 'coming around', namely because of the 'proofs' of the 'mirror dualities' at Princeton in 1996 by Greene, Aspinwall and Morrison and their subsequent applications in statistical thermodynamics (which 'proved' the Hawking thermodynamics of Black Holes).

Yet Susskind's zillions of string solutions are a 'red herring'. The problem with the original string theory were the five classes (plus gravitational supersymmetry) in 10D.
Witten's realisation of the M-space (via class IIA becoming 2D from the 1D string) 'solved this' in the umbrella of M-theory, but because the underpinning principle of M-space is unknown, the zillions of solutions remained.

Using somthing called BPS states of a nonperturbative (series expansions DO NOT converge to limits) approach, however has made some good ingress in crystallising the HE-8x8 class to be the class most likely to lead to an unique solution.

The original string theory was metric dependent and so required a spacetime background for the strings to move in.
Removing the 'singularity' of the Big Bang by 'Planck-smearing' however indicated that the strings themselves should be the spacetime they are moving in.

This then led to a synthesis of sorts between the old string theory and the quantum loops of Smolin and Ashtekar's 'parallel vector transport'. Many people think that those models compete against each other, but they actually converge in the ideas underpinning the formalisms.

BUT the 'underpinning principle' of M-space is still missing and it is this which 'frustrates' the pundits. They KNOW that M-theory is 'right' and that the 'Unified Field' contains the 'branes' both AS spacetime and the transformations of energy and matter contained therein.

The KEY to M-theory is the selftransformation of the five classes and an ALREADY present supersymmetry (there are NO SUSY particles as such).

The basic dilemma is the baryon- and lepton-genesis immediately following the Big Bang (Weinberg's 3 minutes say).
Postulating the energy of the Big Bang to derive from a dispersing Mass seed (say the 5 pounds of Alan Guth) has led to the matter-antimatter symmetry (as both have positive mass content).
This then becomes a bosonic (GUT) superforce termed the X-AntiX-Boson coupling to matter and antimatter respectively to then (under the appropriate temperature evolution) decay into fermionic neutrons, protons, electrons and their antimatter counterparts.

Then of course the asymmetry between matter and the (naturally nonobserved) antimatter becomes a dilemma and the photon-baryon ratio (1:1 billion) is invoked to allow pair-annihilation to eliminate the antimatter with a slight matter excess.

And from this then the standard cosmology continues in nuclosynthesis and the formation of matter agglomerations under the thermodynamic arrow of entropy and so on.

This then is the standard cosmology and it is just about 100% correct in terms of the temperature background, the so called CMBBR.
But it is fundamentally 'flawed' in its presumptions about the Big Bang mass seed.

There was no X-AntiX-Boson coupling, but there was the XL-superstring, namely class HO32 at an energy of so 2x1015 GeV reduced in a factor of 5000 from the Planck-String of so 1019 GeV.

The pundits do not know this (or have not yet published); but this heterotic brane energy is the unification force, which split Gravity from the yet unified StrongElectroWeak superforce at that energy.
To experimentally probe this energy, the boson temperature is so 2x1028 K for a cross-section of 10-31 meters.

But knowing this, now allows this XL-string to bifurcate into two fermionic parts - one which would later (under utility of the electroweak decoupling of the Higgs template at about 3x1015 K) become the quark-X-fermion and the other the lepton-L-fermion.

So where is the antimatter?
There is none, because the decoupling of the XL-string derived from a nonmassive 'Goldstone Bosonic' supercoupling between the 'higher' stringclasses.
{The order in energy is: I=Planck; IIB=Monopole; HO32=XL; IIA=CosmicRay; HE64=Weyl}.

This 'higherD' string coupling is bounded by the INHERENT SUPERSYMMETRY, previously mentioned.
This inherent supersymmetry is defined BEFORE the strings became classified and it is massless in the Goldstone Bosons of the preBig Bang and so are part of the Inflation-Scenario, which lasted from Planck-Time to Weyl-Time (about 10-44-10-31 seconds).

The Planck-Time classifies class I and so the Planck-Boson as a Goldstone Boson to be selfcoupled to its anti-Goldstone state. Those two states define the modular duality between the so called 'vibratory high energy high frequency short lambda' and the 'winded low energy low frequency large lambda' selfstates in then 'photonic energy'.

The question is however where did the UNDIFFERENTIATED Planck-String come from?
The Planck-String itself emerged from the prinmordial Genesis-Boson (you might term it the real 'God-Particle' and not Lederman's Higgs Boson).
The Genesis Boson is defined in an 'algorithmic' temperature of so 7x1037 K at so 7x1024 GeV in NOSPACETIME - that is BEFORE the Planck-Boson allowed the emergence of spacetimematter parameters.

To understand from where this Genesis-Boson came from requires not theoretical physics or convoluted mathematics, but the 'Consciousness existing without spacetime'.
So this becomes a 'philosophical' and 'spiritual' quest in allowing the 'After the spacetime Fact' to be as one with the 'Before the spacetime Fact'.

It suffices to say here, that the Genesis-Boson is defined from 'algorithmic constants' and series, which underpin the cosmogenesis, such as the five classes of superstrings (mapped onto 'quasiperiodic' fivefolded symmetries such as the pentagon and the Platonic solids).

So what happened to 'create' the Planck-string?

You both should like this - there was a Goldstone Supersymmetry between two selfstates, which can be understood as nonmass coupled Photonic Radiation and Antiradiation.
Today, the photon is its own antiparticle with either polarity and say defined in Maxwell vectors and Bose-Einstein statistics.

BEFORE the Planck-Time, there existed a right-polarised Gauge Photon and a left-polarised Antiphoton as forms of the Genesis-Boson. The simple sinusoidal circular waveform connecting the two flipped polarity at the halfway point (180 degrees in a radially and so space independent formulation).
The dynamics (in ALGORITHMIC NOSPACE) so set up a 'Standing Wave' akin the Infinity-Symbol with selfinflection nodes at 0, 180 and 360 degrees.
This vector dynamics was completely supersymmetric with all dynamical parameters of energy and momentum (as defined today in spacetimematter) conserved.
EITHER only ONE Infinity symbol is traced by the Standing Wave by a MUTUAL INFLECTION at the 180 degree node in a multicyclicity;
OR the ONE Infinity symbol is supplemented by infinite extension (of the number line) in the 180 degree or pi-radian intervals of the sinX waveform beginning at the 0 node and the sin(-X)=-sinX waveform beginning at the MIRRORED 360 degree node.

This of course also becomes the selfstate of the universe in the Standard Model preceding the Big Bang as the singularity.

Then the supersymmetry BROKE in say the left node at 0 degrees NOT inflecting towards negative infinity BUT RETRACING the path of sinX in clockwise chirality LIKE the 360 degree node, which DID inflect AS sinX.

So now a GREAT VIOLATION of symmetry has occurred, as two clockwise angular momentum vectors are required to become balanced or REHARMONIZED or RENORMALISED by a double-spinning anticlockwise vector.
This is the Birth of the Graviton from the foundations of string theory by Schwarz and Green and Witten.

Ok now the templates of the Photon-Antiphoton gauges crystallize.

The original Photon was right-polarised and remains right-polarised in its inflection at the 360 node.
The original Antiphoton was left-polarised but in NOT inflecting at the 0 node, also became right-polarised AND SO CAN BECOME SUPPRESSED in favour of a NEW CREATION (namely the fermions from the bosons in the inherent supersymmetry).

But we are not there yet.
The righthanded photon gauge and the righthanded antiphoton gauge are now harmonised with the double lefthanded graviton.

{To picture this- simply plot the graph sin(3x/2)-cos(3x/4) as a function f(x). The sine wave represents the righthanded photon moving to the right and the cosine wave represents the graviton moving to the left with the antiphoton suppressed}.

The important point of those gauges is that they are COLOURCHARGED. This is the reason for the strong nuclear forces of the gluons and the quarks deriving from the so called Higgs Template, which contains all of the gauges in the colour charges in SU3 unitary symmetry.

A normal (mass produced by the acceleration of Coulombic ELECTRIC Charges) photon is NOT colourcharged and therefore IT becomes its own antistate particle.

Ok, some 'nitty gritty'. The suppressed antiphoton gauge has its colour charges 'mirrored' (Parity or P-symmetry) in those of the expressed photon gauge. The former is mathematically labelled in the permutation state BGR=GRB=RBG; whilst the latter is RGB=GBR=BRG. These two states are anticyclic relative to each other in Quantum Relativity.

So this should allow you to visualise or perceive the Goldstone Eigenstate of the Universe before the Planck-Time (setting the initial and boundary conditions for the material universe to emerge from following Inflation in the Quantum Big Bang).

You have 'three' gauges RGB-photonic(spin+1), BGR-antiphotonic(spin+1) and BGR-gravitonic(spin-2) interacting to form the Goldstone Cosmogony.
Now the quantum spins cancel, but one of the BGR's is now in excess, so demanding another harmonisation to conserve the supersymmetry.

Now 'mixing' colourcharges, say in superposing trisected 120-degree areas of a circular partition will give RGB(+1)+BGR(-1)=MGGM(0)=CRRC(0)=YBBY(0)=VPE(0) with the quark-antiquark definition of the Mesons say in colour-anticolour triplets (Red-Cyan; Green-Magenta; Blue-Yellow). Vortex-Potential-Energy is the label for the VPE of the mixing of the wavefunctions of the colour charges and is equivalent to the ZPE of a 'Virtual Heisenberg Background matrix of energy say.
Three colours or anticolours (in equal proportions) will give a 'pure' radiative White (E=hf) or a 'pure' massive Black (E=mc2) eigenstate and any colour-anticolour doublet will do the same.
This becomes the observed and measured 'appearance and disappearance' of the subatomic particles in the Unitary Symmetries.

Ok so the photon and the graviton would neutralise into the VPE(0), if the graviton would have the spin of the original antiphoton.
It does not but replaces it in the BGR template.

The original antiphoton actually carried an RGB(-1) template inflected to BGR(+1) at the 180 node and then REFUSED or LASUFERED (anyone get the hint to Ezekiel.28.14-18&Isaiah.14.12-14); but on Purpose (otherwise the Gravity of the 'Grave' and NO physical universe could have emerged from the supersymmetry of the gauges); to mirror the inflection of the RGB(+1) to BGR(-1) to RGB(+1) cyclicity of the gauge photon.

So another NEW template must be 'created' or emerge from the NATURE of the 'Genesis-Boson'.
We require an RGB(0) as the spins are conserved and this then is known today as the Gluon gauge.
Now we can SUPPRESS both the Antiphoton BGR(-1) and the Gluon RGB(0) in the VPE(-1)=ZPE(-1) BUT NOT in spin.

Now I did not mention what happened at the original RGB(+1)+RGB(-1) colourcharge mixing; the one which 'created' the Infinity symbol.
Analysis will show you; that the 60- and 120 degree points will create an YCM(+1-1) template, which one can term Matter YCM(0) and the 240-and 300 degree points will make the Antimatter MCY(0).

The dilemma with the scalar (spinless) Gluon now ALLOWS or INDUCES the HIGGS BOSON to assume its Goldstone precursor selfstate as HB (0) as a doubled- or squared {because x2=2x for unique solution x=2} YYCCMM(0) selfstate for matter and as MMCCYY(0) for antimatter to become defined.

So now we have 6 particle template gauges interacting:
Photon RGB(+1)+Antiphoton BGR(+1)+Graviton BGR(-2)+Gluon RGB(0)+HB YYCCMM(0)+HB MMCCYY(0)
The two RGB+BRG and the HB-AntiHB all reduce to the VPE(0); EXCEPT the nonspinning Gluon cannot interact and must somehow become SPININDUCED.

This scenario above IS LEADING INTO THE CAUSATION of the Quantum Big Bang.

The first particle to be rendered superfluous is the AntiHiggs Boson HB MMCCYY(0).
Instead the spininduction BIFURCATES the HB YYCCMM(0) into TWO YCM(+1)+YCM(-1) FERMIONIC SUSY-Strings.

This sets up the 'Dark-Matter' Gauge of the RMP YYCCMM(0) in a DINEUTRONIC selfstate
2{YCM(+1/2)+YCM(-1/2)}=NEUTRONIUM (as Gamow's primordial YLEM matter).

As can be seen - NO antimatter is necessary, but the supersymmetry derives from the (later to emerge) Parity violation of the weak interaction coupled to the weakons as mass-and spin-induced Higgs-Bosons.

The cosmogony has now entered the Planck-Energy realm except for the missing template for the still outstanding spin induction of the Gluon gauge.

We have the matter gauges in the form of a BOSONIC NEUTRONIUM (which is Parity violated because of the definitions of the L-Boson string in ordinary beta decay and the HB mass induction - yet to occur).
So the matter templates YCM(halfspin) become COUPLED to the Graviton BGR(-2) in their inherent supersymmetry in the SUPPRESSION of the Antiphoton BGR(+1) in the colour charge template BGR and the Antiphoton's suppression allowing the MASS-Inertia Induction to occur in the SPININDUCTION of the HB YYCCMM(0) as a WEAKON YYCCMM(+1).

{The weakon for antimatter MCY(halfspin) is of course MMCCYY(-1) and as characterised by say the well studied beta plus decay}.

Here then is the KEY. The SpinInduction of the HB YYCCMM(0) as a W- YYCCMM(+1) simulates the GLUON's spin induction as a RGB(+1) then requiring the original 'Dark Matter' template RMP=RestMassPhoton YYCCMM(0) to assume the opposite spinstate for the OVERALL SUPERSYMMETRY to hold.

Then the total 'Unified Gauge Field' becomes:

1) Photon-Gauge RGB(+1) in longrange ElectroGravitational unification with the Graviton-Gauge BGR(-2)
and where the Graviton is coupled to the SUPPRESSED Antiphoton-Gauge BGR(+1) in colour charges but so becomes spin harmonised and as GravitoWeak coupling.

2) Gluon-Gauge RGB(+1) now harmonises with the colour charge of the Gauge-Photon in ElectroStrong coupling and couples as nuclear shortrange interaction to the RMP-Gauge YYCCMM(-1) in the 'Consciousness Unification' of the VPE=ZPE and so by and through the Weakon gauge definitions.

3) The Unified Field is established in conservation of spin momentum and colourcharge mixing and NOW the ENERGISATION of the Quantum Big Bang from its string hierarchical Goldstone Precursors can become implemented.

This 'Energization' renders Parts of the ZPE=VPE Goldstone Boson (or Higgs) Energy as manifesting in the NEUTRONIUM 2{YCM(+1/2)+YCM(-1/2)} and as a simple constituent of the HIGGS BOSON TEMPLATE.

A detailed description of the common beta minus decay of the standard neutron serves as an example for the unification physics of the gauges

The neutron has a dud quark configuration and transforms into a proton of quark content udu in interacting through a gauge weakon in the shortrange weak interaction.
Note here, that I have written the 'supersymmetric' versions in a linear notation.

In particular the neutron d(-1/2).u(+1/2).d(-1/2) must have this basic (no internal gluon energy-momentum distribution) to have a resultant lefthanded (-1/2) quantum spin momentum.

It is understood, that ONLY lefthanded hyperons (including nucleons) engage the weak interaction in the phenomenon of weak parity violation discovered officially in 1957 by Lee and Yang.
The linear alignment is defined in a colour (or gluon) charged magnetoaxis which then can 'loop onto itself' as a quark-ring of the form -d.u.d.- , say within a spherical template or envelope about the quarks, gluons and gauges (all defined in HUP wavefunctions and not some mechanistic billard ball-spring model often found in popular literature (wikipedia, SciAm etc.)).

The interacting weakon for matter is called Wminus (W-) and has a quantum-waveform encompassed in a spheroidal envelope. It is a bosonic gauge of quantum spin (+1) and is 'made up' (and as known from its experimentally observed decay-product) of an electron (+1/2) with its antineutrino (+1/2).

The old neutron is linearly (read magnetically) 'supersymmetric' because the d-quark in the linear arrangement is 'asymptotically confined' by the size of the envelope, which happens to be the scale of the 'classical electron' in QFT, and the range of the nuclear interactions itself at about 3 fermi. This is also the 'size' of the strange quark as a resonance of the d-quark.

The 'supersymmetry' so allows (one of the endpoint) d-quarks to oscillate to its (higher) s-quark energy level and to INTERACT at that level with the weakon.

Were the linear quark content of the form udd (as inappropriately depicted in the popular press); then this neutron would NOT be 'supersymmetric', as the linear arrangement would have already 'broken' that symmetry.
The quark content u.d.d exists however and is base-defined as a neutral delta in the SU(3) baryon octet and where all the quarks are spinaligned for a total spin angular momentum of 3/2.

So one of the dud d-quarks oscillates to the energy level of the W- and exchanges the 'leptonic ring boundary' AS the weakon's electron with the mesonic- or d-ring level of the old nonoscillating neutron.

The weakon (of the Feynman diagrams) so is 'destroyed' with its righthanded electron ABSORBING the lefthanded spin of the d-quark and so neutralising the meson-lepton ring spinstate, but EMERGING the observed righthanded (+1/2) electron antineutrino as product of beta minus decay of the neutron.
There one observes however a LEFT POLARISATION of the MATERIALISING electron in conjunction with the emission of the weakon defining righthanded electron antineutrino(+1/2).
So the 0-spin bosonic lepton ring (as electron precursor), becomes SPININDUCED by the gauge interaction at the kernel between the (already materialised) antineutrino and a gluon coupled to the up-quark (which was part of the transforming down-quark in:
d(charge -1/3)=KIR=Kernel(charge +2/3)+InnerRing(charge -1)=(K+IR).
The weakon ring then is labeled OR=OuterRing.

The +1 weakon spin so interacts 'weakly' with the -1/2 spin of the interacting down-quark (d*) to MATERIALISE first the righthanded electronic antineutrino (+1/2) coupled in strongweak unification to a 0-spin OR and then SPININDUCES the 'virtual' weakon AS a 'real' electron in conjoin with the K=Kernel to OR gauge unification.

The 'virtuality' of the weakon gauge can be extended into a nonvirtual or 'real' expression for the conservation law regarding quantum spin in the introduction of a massless Goldstone Spinor, here called the GraviPhoton or GP(±1). The GP is COLOURLESS and so does not interact with any other gauge and its derivatives in the inertia carriers of mass and the massless photon gauges produced by inertia coupled particles, such as accelerated fusion protons emitting energy as photons of electromagnetic radiation.
The conservation of quantum spin in 'virtuality' so is expressed in the form:
W-(+1) + GP(-1) → antiνe(+1/2) + e-(-1/2)

Then the 'virtual' weakon disappears into the vacuum of the HUP and leaves behind the original 'virtual' antineutrino, seemingly MATERIALISING from the neutron-proton transformation., as well as a real leftpolarised electron. The GP(±1) exchanges or flips the quark spins of the linearly adjacently aligned but not weakly interacting quarks and the GP(-1) 'shares' its bosonic spin in distributing it in bifurcation to the scalar OR(0) spin and the 'left-over' quarkian u-quark kernel of th weakly interacting d-quark.
This 'flipping' also changes the cyclicity in the permutation dud* to u*du in the recentering of the linearly (but not circularly) central quark of the neutron (u) in dud to the central quark of the emergent proton (d) in udu.

The intermediate transitional energy state so becomes a magnetically aligned transformation:

neutron →d(-1/2).u(+1/2).[u(0)+antineutrino(+1/2)] + OR(0)+GP(-1)+GP(±)
→ u(-1/2).d(+1/2).u(-1/2) + antiνe(+1/2) + e-(-1/2)
As an alternative, this transition gauge interaction can also be expressed in the utility of diquarks, such as double-up=uu=U.

Then the transformation becomes:
neutron →d(-1/2).uu(+1/2) + antineutrino(+1/2) +GP(-1)+GP(±1)
→ [U(-1/2-1/2).[d(+1/2)] + antiνe(+1/2) + e-(-1/2)
→u(-1/2).d(+1/2).u(-1/2) + antiνe(+1/2) + e-(-1/2).
Here then the relooping circumpasses the OR(0) , which 'disappears' with the 'virtuality' of the W-(+1) and the spin sharing of the GP(-1) takes the form of the 'breaking up' of the diquark state U(-1/2)=uu(-1/2) into a resymmetrised linearised form as bounds for the central down-quark incorporating the quantum geometry of the kernel-ring or up-dowm structure of stability.

This renders the SPIN EXCHANGE as REAL from the VIRTUAL Inertia selfstate, as the virtuality of the energy in inertia has become finestructured in the energy of the quantum spin distribution.
The generalised supersymmetric conservation of the quantum spin for the looped-linearised-relooped neutron so becomes:
dud(-1/2)→dud*(-1/2)→duu*(-1/2)→u*du(-1/2)→udu(-1/2)+e-(-1/2)+antiνe(+1/2).

The circularisation of the magnetoaxis 'destroys' the magnetic spinfixation and temporarily allows a spin-realignment, which manifests in the beta minus decay of the neutron into its observed constituents via the weak interaction.

AA

[Firstlook]

Sure Joey!

Here is an introduction to the 'Unified Field Theory' of Thuban in somewhat 'easier to digest' mathematical formalism.
I have kept the semantics qualitative, but indicated the Genesis of the Genesis in terms of description, rather than mathematics.

AA

Thank you Abrax. Like you at the moment, I am a messenger.:wink2:


I want to ask about the idea that certain knowledge is seeded within psychedelics that are sent to planets to help with understandings about ourselves and the nature of reality. What is your knowledge of this theory, that civilizations encode the chemicals and plant them into different planets? If this is true, what races have done this?


peace:)

[Spregovori]

Hei Abraxasinas


I have a question... something happened to me for the 1st time and it is too "exotic" for me to explain it to myself...

Your thoughts on this would be very welcome.

I am not making this up, it did happen and it surprised me.

A few days ago on 5-6.2.2010 (dd.mm.yyyy) the time between Friday and Saturday i had a dream:

at about 8:00-8:15 am gmt+1 i woke up and decided to put everything down on a digital paper...before i forget it.

I had a dream it was in my house with the usual hard to figure out happening in my head...inside of my house was like some research laboratory...and than...zombies attacked (i know and no i can not tell how and why) and i killed one with two screw drivers and i got a very detailed look at my "hand work" than i rushed out into the room (that looked like the real one) there was my mother (i think it was my mother i did not have a good look at her) and it was something about a zombie baby and i took her hand and told her we need to go..and we exited the house via the actual exit that exists (but not main exit) than we were running and i figured i am running in the same direction (around the house) as i would be if i exited via main exit (which was "dangerous") on the actual road that exists...and i though to myself: "why am i doing this, this is stupid" and than i saw some strange "post-apocalyptic" dwellings by the road that do not exist...than while running pass the front yard i saw three large vehicles parked on it...one of them being a big blue garbage truck and I thought to myself: "wtf, this can not be, why are this on our yard" (i know our yard...there are no such things on it)...and than while still running i thought to myself: "this is **** it is like in a movie" and than we reached the fire station area (which really exists)...where i experienced another dream...dream I know...i am 100% sure i had before at least 1 time...there were different people on different transportation vehicles/devices driving around the area in front of the fire station...and i remember one of them telling me...that...(i can not remember exact words) that: "this is not real and that i can go back" So i decided to go back home (without second guessing the advice) where the zombies are (mother was there all the time).

Just at the point where i was to go start going back...i said to myself in dreams: "this is not real i am dreaming"

and

everything went "blank", everything was gone but me...there was nothing but me...it felt like i was alone in infinity

i wanted the ocean to appear and the beach but was not able to do it...i tried hard but could not do it...than i stopped trying and realized if feels like i am in the air in this "state" where there was nothing but me....i always wanted to fly...like the time i was little and i could "fly"....and there i was flying over the road of some city with all the necessary detail....there was even music around me or in the "background" and it felt fantastic...i was flying.....but it was over very quick and i found myself flying very high towards some mountains and there were smaller airplanes around me and i was faster than them...and than i was back at some other city (this "jumps" were beyond my control) and than i wanted to stop so i stopped flying but i noticed that wile i am still levitating in the air...the earth beneath me is moving and i wanted earth to stop moving but failed and that also woke me up or perhaps it was some other noise... (my "home" environment is not exactly what one could call private...calm and peaceful)

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this is how i remember it...this is how it happened... i think i did not dream i have a lucid dream and that i actually had one...a first one...or at least a 1st one i can remember so clearly....upon realizing...with help from others in my dream...that i am dreaming...it was like someone pushed a switch...i felt it in my head...still felt it the first moments after i woke up.....it was different...it was a holodeck under my control (not entirely though) and it seems that it is easier to create something via feeling than by demand....it was just so very hard to maintain control...it was over...so very quickly... :(

i liked it and i wish i could do it more often...

i did some thinking and i think it was the dream environment (house i live in and the immediate area around the house) that helped me to realize that something is not "right". i am extremely familiar with how things "really" are...and that i believe somehow triggered me to be suspicious...that started the dream at the fire station...where i was somehow helped to realize it is not real. i have a feeling i was at the fire station before but most likely failed to get past it....


I did not use any self-suggestions (affirmations?) before the sleep or anything....I do not recall/remember anything out of the ordinary that Friday or the time before i went to sleep. I have 0 idea about how that happened and how to make it to happen again.

I am especially interested in what it felt like...being alone in infinity...i acted very human and wanted an ocean and a beach...etc...instead i could explore that "infinity" or whatever it was. Also all that time it felt like i am almost or very close to being awake.

I wish i knew how to recreate the experience...how to do it again...

I cant help myself to think that the second dream (fire station) i was helped to realize that i am dreaming...not sure who the helper was/were (was it my "other self" ?)

The last few nights were usual...void, confusion, and a headache....

What purpose do headaches serve?

btw, I hope you are feeling ok and doing some good work

[hippihillbobbi]

Dear Abraxas --

Hope everything is well with you. :wub2:

I have been a Christian (Roman Catholic) all my life and feel i have had the fortunate experience of having had good teachers at a formative age. So -- this "upbringing," plus the obligatory tour through "new agey" type thought in the 70's, combined with some charismatic/pentecostal theology thrown in for good measure (!) as well as basic study of eastern (Buddhist, Taoist) philosophy -- these comprise the main threads of my religious education.

for some reason i felt like i should put the following statement in that context : my main problem with "orthodox" Christian theology is the concept of "substitutionary atonement." i DO believe that Jesus' life-death-resurrection is a pivotal event in human history, and an understanding of its significance has been pivotal in my spiritual growth and development. Yet, i could NEVER feel comfortable with the idea of God the Father demanding a "perfect blood sacrifice," in his Son's death.....to compensate for all human beings' failings throughout eternity. (Thankfully, there have been other ways for me to interpret the significance of Jesus' crucifixion in my life!) So anyway, perhaps you can imagine my delight in coming across these passages in one of the readings listed on your website. I thought maybe you could comment on these thoughts for us. Thank so much, AA.

"Below is the unedited dictations of Yeshua, channneled to Helen
Shucman and in cooperation with William Thetford. These channelings,
of course, made up A Course in Miracles."

"If the Crucifixion is seen from an upside down point of view, it
certainly does appear AS IF God permitted, and even encouraged, one of
his Sons to suffer BECAUSE he was good. Many very devoted ministers
preach this every day. This particularly unfortunate interpretation,
which actually arose out of the combined misprojection of a large
number of my own would-be followers, has led many people to be
bitterly afraid of God.

"This particularly anti-religious concept happens to enter into many
religions, and this is neither by chance nor coincidence .....

The real Christian would have to pause and ask "how could this be?" Is
it likely that God Himself would be capable of the kind of thinking
which His own Words have clearly stated is unworthy of man? .....

"Sacrifice is a notion totally unknown to God. It arises solely from
fear of the Records. This is particularly unfortunate, because
frightened people are apt to be vicious. Sacrificing others in any way
is a clear-cut violation of God's own injunction that man should be
merciful even as His Father in heaven is merciful."

hippihillbobbi

[abraxasinas]

Thank you Abrax. Like you at the moment, I am a messenger.:wink2:


I want to ask about the idea that certain knowledge is seeded within psychedelics that are sent to planets to help with understandings about ourselves and the nature of reality. What is your knowledge of this theory, that civilizations encode the chemicals and plant them into different planets? If this is true, what races have done this?


peace:)

Hi Firstlook!

The universe is electromagnetically about 19.14 billion years old, but appears to be about 13.8 bilion years old inertially.
This is because electromagnetically, the universe is always oscillating at lightspeed, but expands at less than lightspeed in its matter content.

The local galaxy crystallized as one of the oldest galaxis at a cosmological redshift of z=1.19 so 4 billion years after creation and so 15 billion years ago electromagnetically and so 8.4 billion years ago inertially.

The local starsystem crystallized about 4.6 billion years ago, with the earth created shortly (about 40 million years) thereafter.

The 16.876 billion year coordinate is rather important, as it mirrors the Gaian evolution in the PRESENT objectivity in its NODAL IMAGE crystallization.

So the (electromagnetic) Age of the Universe minus the Nodal Age, will give you the IMAGE EARTH in blueprint AND the OBJECT materialised EARTH as the average value between a maximum at so 4.59 billion years for the starsystem and a minimum at so 4.48 billion years for the emergence of the planet. The average so is about 4.53 billion years and as measured by radiactive carbon/uranium dating and similar.

So how does this relate to your question?
Half the age of the earth is about 2.27 billion years and so the mirror function for the Gaian lifeform evolution became manifest so 2.27 billion years ago.
It is known scientifically, that at that time the earth's atmosphere became oxygen enriched, so allowing flora and fauna lifeforms to become terrestrial in flowering plants and aquatic eukaryotes emerging on land (say as amphibious lifeforms).

This evolution was both, naturally experimental and harmonious in duality expressions.
So for every 'poisonous chemical' there existed or evolved an 'antidote'.
This evolution is ongoing and even if a 'synthetic' biochemistry is introduced (like the HIV virus); then after some time, 'nature' will evolve a 'natural' antidote.

This was the case with the AIDS virus, where so 10 years after its introduction, HIV negative babies were born to HIV positive mothers.

Specific data in regards to 'dotes' and 'antidotes' are common nous in indigenous populations. This information is then sequestered and manipulated by pharmaceutical companies, which produce the drugs in varoious forms; often disharmonizing a natural biochemical balance in chiral and antichiral ingredients of the natural 'drug'.
This disharmonization then causes the 'side effects'.

Particular drugs for particular effects are tabulated in many sources you can then find on the web or in books or in the other appropriate medias.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hei Abraxasinas


I have a question... something happened to me for the 1st time and it is too "exotic" for me to explain it to myself...

Your thoughts on this would be very welcome.

I am not making this up, it did happen and it surprised me.

A few days ago on 5-6.2.2010 (dd.mm.yyyy) the time between Friday and Saturday i had a dream:

at about 8:00-8:15 am gmt+1 i woke up and decided to put everything down on a digital paper...before i forget it.

I had a dream it was in my house with the usual hard to figure out happening in my head...inside of my house was like some research laboratory...and than...zombies attacked (i know and no i can not tell how and why) and i killed one with two screw drivers and i got a very detailed look at my "hand work" than i rushed out into the room (that looked like the real one) there was my mother (i think it was my mother i did not have a good look at her) and it was something about a zombie baby and i took her hand and told her we need to go..and we exited the house via the actual exit that exists (but not main exit) than we were running and i figured i am running in the same direction (around the house) as i would be if i exited via main exit (which was "dangerous") on the actual road that exists...and i though to myself: "why am i doing this, this is stupid" and than i saw some strange "post-apocalyptic" dwellings by the road that do not exist...than while running pass the front yard i saw three large vehicles parked on it...one of them being a big blue garbage truck and I thought to myself: "wtf, this can not be, why are this on our yard" (i know our yard...there are no such things on it)...and than while still running i thought to myself: "this is **** it is like in a movie" and than we reached the fire station area (which really exists)...where i experienced another dream...dream I know...i am 100% sure i had before at least 1 time...there were different people on different transportation vehicles/devices driving around the area in front of the fire station...and i remember one of them telling me...that...(i can not remember exact words) that: "this is not real and that i can go back" So i decided to go back home (without second guessing the advice) where the zombies are (mother was there all the time).

Just at the point where i was to go start going back...i said to myself in dreams: "this is not real i am dreaming"

and

everything went "blank", everything was gone but me...there was nothing but me...it felt like i was alone in infinity

i wanted the ocean to appear and the beach but was not able to do it...i tried hard but could not do it...than i stopped trying and realized if feels like i am in the air in this "state" where there was nothing but me....i always wanted to fly...like the time i was little and i could "fly"....and there i was flying over the road of some city with all the necessary detail....there was even music around me or in the "background" and it felt fantastic...i was flying.....but it was over very quick and i found myself flying very high towards some mountains and there were smaller airplanes around me and i was faster than them...and than i was back at some other city (this "jumps" were beyond my control) and than i wanted to stop so i stopped flying but i noticed that wile i am still levitating in the air...the earth beneath me is moving and i wanted earth to stop moving but failed and that also woke me up or perhaps it was some other noise... (my "home" environment is not exactly what one could call private...calm and peaceful)

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this is how i remember it...this is how it happened... i think i did not dream i have a lucid dream and that i actually had one...a first one...or at least a 1st one i can remember so clearly....upon realizing...with help from others in my dream...that i am dreaming...it was like someone pushed a switch...i felt it in my head...still felt it the first moments after i woke up.....it was different...it was a holodeck under my control (not entirely though) and it seems that it is easier to create something via feeling than by demand....it was just so very hard to maintain control...it was over...so very quickly... :(

i liked it and i wish i could do it more often...

i did some thinking and i think it was the dream environment (house i live in and the immediate area around the house) that helped me to realize that something is not "right". i am extremely familiar with how things "really" are...and that i believe somehow triggered me to be suspicious...that started the dream at the fire station...where i was somehow helped to realize it is not real. i have a feeling i was at the fire station before but most likely failed to get past it....


I did not use any self-suggestions (affirmations?) before the sleep or anything....I do not recall/remember anything out of the ordinary that Friday or the time before i went to sleep. I have 0 idea about how that happened and how to make it to happen again.

I am especially interested in what it felt like...being alone in infinity...i acted very human and wanted an ocean and a beach...etc...instead i could explore that "infinity" or whatever it was. Also all that time it felt like i am almost or very close to being awake.

I wish i knew how to recreate the experience...how to do it again...

I cant help myself to think that the second dream (fire station) i was helped to realize that i am dreaming...not sure who the helper was/were (was it my "other self" ?)

The last few nights were usual...void, confusion, and a headache....

What purpose do headaches serve?

btw, I hope you are feeling ok and doing some good work

Hi spregovori!

You are beginning to enter your LUCID DREAMSTATE.
This is a natural development for individual souls which have begun remembrances about their 'natural states'.
The most natural state of the soul is that of being 'free' to experience and to create.
This awareness of the self is most often entered in the dreamstate of being consciously aware of being able to fly and this also often occurs in the OBEs.
The creative soul KNOWS, that the environment in the astral is subject to emotion; hence the emphasis of FEELING in Images, instead of THINKING the images in the normal rational waking consciousness.

Your zombie image became the superposition of the waking reality (of ordinary people interacting) of forgetfulness. So you 'killed' an aspect of your own ignorance or forgetfulness in that imagery.
Your mother seemingly running away with you, yet remaining in the old house exemplified this 'old state of forgetfulness' also.

Because this dreamstate experience of yours was introductory, the blending of your subconscious (dream-alpha-state) with your waking consciousness resulted in your headache as the physical manifesto for that intersection of ordinarily separated consciousness selfstates.

AA

[Firstlook]

Thank you Abraxasinas for your response to my last question.:original:

Could you offer any information you have about periods in which Gaia in 3D, experienced rapid (periods of days and weeks) geographical change? Perhaps you could explain the history of the rapid changes in a time-line? How many of these abrupt periods are there?

Thank you very much.


peace:original:

[abraxasinas]

Dear Abraxas --

Hope everything is well with you. :wub2:

I have been a Christian (Roman Catholic) all my life and feel i have had the fortunate experience of having had good teachers at a formative age. So -- this "upbringing," plus the obligatory tour through "new agey" type thought in the 70's, combined with some charismatic/pentecostal theology thrown in for good measure (!) as well as basic study of eastern (Buddhist, Taoist) philosophy -- these comprise the main threads of my religious education.

for some reason i felt like i should put the following statement in that context : my main problem with "orthodox" Christian theology is the concept of "substitutionary atonement." i DO believe that Jesus' life-death-resurrection is a pivotal event in human history, and an understanding of its significance has been pivotal in my spiritual growth and development. Yet, i could NEVER feel comfortable with the idea of God the Father demanding a "perfect blood sacrifice," in his Son's death.....to compensate for all human beings' failings throughout eternity. (Thankfully, there have been other ways for me to interpret the significance of Jesus' crucifixion in my life!) So anyway, perhaps you can imagine my delight in coming across these passages in one of the readings listed on your website. I thought maybe you could comment on these thoughts for us. Thank so much, AA.

"Below is the unedited dictations of Yeshua, channneled to Helen
Shucman and in cooperation with William Thetford. These channelings,
of course, made up A Course in Miracles."

"If the Crucifixion is seen from an upside down point of view, it
certainly does appear AS IF God permitted, and even encouraged, one of
his Sons to suffer BECAUSE he was good. Many very devoted ministers
preach this every day. This particularly unfortunate interpretation,
which actually arose out of the combined misprojection of a large
number of my own would-be followers, has led many people to be
bitterly afraid of God.

"This particularly anti-religious concept happens to enter into many
religions, and this is neither by chance nor coincidence .....

The real Christian would have to pause and ask "how could this be?" Is
it likely that God Himself would be capable of the kind of thinking
which His own Words have clearly stated is unworthy of man? .....

"Sacrifice is a notion totally unknown to God. It arises solely from
fear of the Records. This is particularly unfortunate, because
frightened people are apt to be vicious. Sacrificing others in any way
is a clear-cut violation of God's own injunction that man should be
merciful even as His Father in heaven is merciful."

hippihillbobbi

Hi hippihill!

On the highest levels of creation, the level of the source and the logos, there is no such thing as 'karma' and 'sacrifice' and 'atonement'.
On that level, there is only the source energy labeled as Love and the potential to EXPRESS this Love-Energy in whatever creative avenue presents itself in imagination and in imagery, say words and symbols and hieroglyphs.
This is why thought is followed by emotion/feeling about the thought is followed by (often ingenious) implementation and creation of the 'emotional thought'.

Jesus of Nazareth was one of many; BUT he remembered himself as existing before spacetime creation and THEREFORE, not because of any supernatural preconditions, did he MANIFEST the Cosmic Logos, hithereto laying dormant for anyone to 'take up as a CROSS' and to carry in the manifestation of this Logos aka the 'Office of the Plumed Serpent Melchizedek'.

Jesus so became the 'Office Bearer' of the Cross and his crucifixion was the physical manifesto of the office and had nothing whatsoever to do with 'atonement for sins=ignorance' and such dogmatic labelings.
Thousands of people were crucified by the Romans, but only Jesus COULD USE his own physical death to OVERCOME the grave in PHYSICALLY resurrecting.

There is a very simple reason as to WHY Jesus could 'overcome physical deterioration'.
Ordinarily, people who die, suffer decomposition and decay of their physical shells.
This then frees the soul, who then CONTINUES its evolutionary journey through the astral (hyperspace) and say the etheric (quantumspace) colocal dimensions until it potentially reaches the 'source-space' (omnispace) of the mythological heaven or nirvana.

Jesus KNEW, as the Cosmic Logos, that he had nowhere to go. He could not continue his own quest to 'find the source' on the soul level, because he was already AS ONE with the nirvana ('I am in the bosom of the father and the father dwells in me in the kingdom of heaven' and such statements of his).

So after 'death' Jesus' 'ghost or spirit' became as One with the ENTIRE UNIVERSE {John.19.30}.
This is simply the wave-particle duality of quantum mechanics applied not just to the familiar electron say, but to all the atomic and subatomic 'particles' which comprised Jesus' physical bodyform.
The physical realism of the resurrection so is nothing 'supernatural', but advanced quantum theory.

The importance of the crucifixion is so simply the FULFILMENT of the archetypes and as found in the Old Testament/Torah, which Jesus had studied and deciphered in preparation for the fulfilment of the timeline.
This is why refereces such as:
'..so the scriptures are fulfilled'; ...'as it was written'; ...'..everything shall pass awaym but my words shall not pass away'..etc. etc. are so prevalent in the New Testament.

The records of the channelings of 'A course in miracles' are ok in generality, but not complete in its claim of being the 'words of the holy spirit'.

AA

[Initiate]

Hi Abraxas,

The search for truth has lead me to path of Kabbalah and on investigation I feel strongly that Jesus must have had a background in this "Science". Apparently it was the teaching that Abraham gave in his tent probably around the time of Thubin as the pole star. The science supports your discourse. So I guess you could say this is a thumbs up to what you have shared. This video supports your number theory:


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this path of knowledge found me which is interesting. Indeed as I seem to be working below so work is being done above both heading for the middle road.

I just want to say thanks for sharing your information.

Regards,

Andrew

[Malletzky]

Hi Abrax, the fact that whenever you post e new reply here there's a kind of trigger and possible explanations for some 'issues' which I'm still trying to understand, is pretty astounishing. Therefore...

...I would have two more questions for you.

First for the bellow:

Hi spregovori!...Your zombie image became the superposition of the waking reality (of ordinary people interacting) of forgetfulness. So you 'killed' an aspect of your own ignorance or forgetfulness in that imagery....

AA

Back in the mid 90's, there was a time span of about 16-18 months when I had pretty wild dreams of killing a lot of people in a kind of wars. I just had a machine gun in my hands and I killed them all, in many different dreams...Back at that time too, I was one of the persons with many fears of many, many things...

So, I was (and still am) wondering what this could have mean, as I've never been an aggresive person, nor I was in any war...

Remarkable...and strangely...but not long after these dreams stopped, a process started in which I became what I am today...a much, very much different person, without any fear...to cut the story here, I became ME as I know ME and as you know ME!

Now, If I follow the analogy in your answer to Spregovori, then I must assume that back then, 'I was killing' all other aspects of I AM, that should've evtl. stand on the way in the process of my 'awakening'.

Is there any truth in this analogy of mine?


...and second, to this:

Hi hippihill!

On the highest levels of creation, the level of the source and the logos, there is no such thing as 'karma' and 'sacrifice' and 'atonement'.
On that level, there is only the source energy labeled as Love and the potential to EXPRESS this Love-Energy in whatever creative avenue presents itself in imagination and in imagery, say words and symbols and hieroglyphs.
This is why thought is followed by emotion/feeling about the thought is followed by (often ingenious) implementation and creation of the 'emotional thought'...

AA

I've never ever in my life fellt that I have to deal with any 'karma'. This is something which I can't grasp at all...at least not, when it concerns ME.
(I am however, aware that 'what goes around comes around', if I can label karma that way. And that karma really could occur...if some circumstances allow).

Now, there could be two explanations, or both of them are correct, when it comes to the fact why I don't think that 'karma' could affect ME.

The first explanation would be the fact that I don't have any feelings or memories of any previous lifes in this evolutionary cycle...(which fits the informations I got from two sources, that my last 'appearance' here should've been back in the times of Atlantis).

The second explanation...well, you just delivered a possible one, and this is another of the so called 'aha-moments'.

On the highest levels of creation, the level of the source and the logos, there is no such thing as 'karma' and 'sacrifice' and 'atonement'!
Wow...really, what a great 'aha-moment' for me!

Could it be, that I'm beginning to 'tap' in this highest levels of creation...free from any boundaries, free from anything? (or is it only my ego speaking here?)

Anyway, I feel no presence of any 'karma'... so why not?

Thanks in advance for your short reply and opinion.

with :wub2: and respect
malletzky

[abraxasinas]

My dear Abraxas,

Juli

Dear Abraxas,
Is it true that our sun Sol is only capable of sustaining life on 3D Earth for say another 50 years or so, or is it just doom-and-gloom talk? What are the sunspots we see (from our 3D perspective) in reality or I guess in a higher D? I do think suns could be cool in higher frequencies. Some say there are 12 planets inside the sun. What can you tell us about this? http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/The_Sun_Is_Cold_I.htm (http://www.luisprada.com/Protected/The_Sun_Is_Cold_I.htm)http://www.davidpratt.info/hollow.htm#wi (http://www.davidpratt.info/hollow.htm#wi) Will Earth ever have 2 suns and if so, when? Could it be that the new Gaia will become like a new sun (star) in the sky to the 3D Earth?






Hi Julissa!

The sun Rahsol is about 4.6 billion years old as a type G2V dwarf typical main sequence star on the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram.

Its fusion energy derives from the mass into energy conversion (hydrogen into helium) of so 4.3 million tonnes per second and so the sun will lose about 1% of its mass of 2x10^30 kg in so 150 billion years.

As the sun will remain on the main sequence for about 10 billion years, the present age of the sun is about halfway as a G2V star, before it evolves into a red giant in about 5 billion years.

There are a number of things, people should know.

1. The Sun in 3D harbours specific physical characteristics.
a) The Core Temperature is about 16 million Kelvin
b) The Surface Temperature is about 5800 Kelvin
c) The Corona Temperature increases from the (cool) surface to 2-5 million Kelvin

The physicist's explanation for the 'unexpectated' hot corona are magnetic vortices and 'fieldlines' inducting the energy via corona mass ejections and the sunspot cycles (two 11 year halfcycles). This is often termed 'Magnetic Reconnection', possibly linked to Alfven Waves.

2. The Sun in 4D (and higher) harbourts a Solar Black Hole 10 kilometers across at its core.
a) This Solar Black Hole communicates with the planetary Black Holes of the solar system including the golfball size Black Hole art the earth's center
b) The 4D solar energy interacts with the 3D solar energy via geometrical archetypes

The Thuban omni-science has discovered the reason for the sunspot cycles.

From the Thuban archives:

A local universe about a star forms a Black Hole-White Hole dyad of ellipsoidal focalisation of the Eps-Ess duality for 2 Chandrasekhar (White Dwarf Limit) masses of 6x10^30 kg=3 time Mass of the Sun. This ratio of 1.5 is important for the inner-outer penetration of the solar syrface to 2/3 depth and 3/2 coronal halo of the radius.
(The dyadic supermembrane as a soursesink modulates frequency as inverse time being a time constant).

The Solar Frequency Fsol=c/Wavelengthsol of the Star in three 120 degree sectors.
The isoceles triangle for this trisection so defines a Solar Chord of
Sqrt(3).Rsol adjacent to the two radii Rsol, as sin60deg=Halfchord/Rsol.

Then Fsol=lightspeed/(Sqrt(3)/2)=600 million seconds/1.732..~346,410,162 seconds or 4009.4 days or 10.98 civil years.
A halfchord so defines a 11 year sunspot cycle doubling to 22 years for the full chord with the size of the star a simple proportion of the Black Hole's Photonic Ergosphere (1.5 times from the event horizon), and where photons are 'forced by gravity' to travel in orbits around the sun.

So the 4D Sun ENCOMPASSES the 3D Sun and inducts the energy from the core to its coronal perimeter via the mass-magnetocurrent equivalence APPEARING in 3D as coronal ejections, the magnetic reconnections and the Alfven waves.

The sunspot cycles are like a 'heartbeat' or breathing of the solar entity, harbouring intersolar lifeforms as 4D sentiences also utilizing the sunspot magnetic current vortices as conduits from the solar core to the coronal perimeter.

The 'materializing' geometric shapes (one the Eagle of Thuban) derive from the 4D energy manifesting 3D shadows, independent on the temperature environment.
(Like a shadow cast onto a wall from a hot object is not itself as hot as the object casting the shadow).

A basic geometry is that of a corner in your room, joined by three perpendicular vectors, each of say unit length.
Now form a 3D tetrahedron in joining the three vectors to form an equilateral trianle.
The resulting Corner of your room is now 'sealed' by a socalled 'Right-Angled Tetrahedron'.
Note, this is NOT a 'Regular Tetrahedron' as one of the five Platonic Solids and where all four triangular faces are equilateral.

Summararily then, the UFOS around the Sun are from the Sun's Interior, but are 3D shadows of their 4D reality INTERDIMENSIONAL and encompassing the observed 3D (say by SOHO).

Yes, Gaia will become a Starplanet, radiating a 'Dark Light' as electromagnetic emission at the 3x10^30 Hertz frequency and at the worhole wavelength of 10^-22 meters after the golfball sized Black Hole at the planetary center 'turns inside out' to render the Black Hole Sink-Receiver a White Hole-Source-Emitter.
This so will complete Gaia's evolution as 'dark energy absorber' and render this absorption a new energy source at the center of the planet, so rendering it a starplanet.

The idea and archetype of Nibiru and of the binary sun Nemesis so converge in the renaming of the old planet Gaia 'ascending' into starplanet status called Serpentina=In A Serpent according to the Thuban labeling.



This is an excerpt from: http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/word/wingmaker.pdf (http://www.consciousmedianetwork.com/word/wingmaker.pdf) [The term “old soul” is an example of this fallacy in perspective. There is no such thing as an old, or, for that matter, young soul. Soul is not an entity of spacetime. It is not conditioned by time. Soul doesn’t improve with age any more than it degenerates with age. Soul is a constant unto itself, however, when soul dons the vessel of the mind, emotions, and physical body (i.e., human instrument), it does become a subject of spacetime, but only in the view of a single lifetime. ] When you mentioned that indigos are “old souls” did you mean it as in they having more physical incarnations under their sleeve compared to non-indigos?

This is just wordplay. Yes, the soul is a constant as a shard of the creator-creation and yes, all souls are as old as the universe itself, say 19.1 billion years in electyromagnetic toroidal topology.
And yes, an 'old soul' refers to one that has experienced physicality in the earth plane for a longer linear time perception, than has a 'young soul', who has not experienced many such earth-plane incarnations.

Can the totality of a human being exist below the 4th dimension?

Yes, this totality exists in all dimensions, even the null dimension of the void=eternity. Humanity collectively IS All That Is.

Do you think our generation will live to see the secrets hidden in the vaults of the Vatican?

Yes, those secrets are already known for the ones that seek and discern the 'leaks'.

Do you think this could happen before the shift?

Not generally. There will NEVER be an official disclosure of those secrets classified under the label of 'national security'; as this would amount to 'political suicide' or 'lost individual integrity and honour' and similar labelings.

I’ve noticed a somnambulist person is hypnotized-like or in a deep trance even with his eyes opened. Is it dangerous to talk to a person while he sleep-walks?

This depends on the individual situation and like any 'medicinal' symptom should not be generalised.

Some say the whales and dolphins will no longer be required to stay on Earth after the shift because the new Starhumans will be able to start anchoring cosmic energies then. Is this true? Will they stay on the old Earth?

The cetaceans are the physical representation of the ETs known as Pleiadeans and so contact with say the seven sisters (Barbara Marciniak is a channel largely supported by Thuban) will correlate and blend the ET-sentience with the cetacean sentience in physicality.

During OOB experiences why do some see their silvercord and others don’t? Could it ever break if you go “too far away” from your body? Could it break or be broken by someone/something if it’s not your time to die?

The silver cord is an old archetype of interdimensional connectivity and intersection, which has largely become replaced by the more 'modern' archetype of the wavefunction quantum entanglement in a holographic universe (matrix movies, simulation and holograms, holedecks etc. etc.).

What happens to the soul of the person who dies from an atomic blast as compared to any other form of dying?

The transition is rapid and without trauma in the unification of the tripartite consciousness of waking-sub-super. All souls are in a manner superconsciously aware of their death experience before incarnating into the consciousness divisions of the forgetfulness.

What does it mean “to exit this reality at 90 degrees”?

The 4th dimension in space (as the 5th in spacetime) is at right angles say to a corner of a cube.
So because the 3D perception cannot 'picture' any extension of the existing 3D; the 4th dimension will become selfintersecting with any of the 3 perceptible ones of length, width and breath. This then creates the 6D hyperspace a 3 possible coordinate directions, one of those becoming the 4th density so called.

http://idata.over-blog.com/2/39/23/21//wormhole-alpha-centauri-copie-1.jpg
What are Orbs? In the attch pic (Taken on a clear night at a friend's house) I see many orbs and also some white stuff. What do think it is?

These orbs are the manifestation of the 4th density as a shadow or projection from the 4D hyperspace.
The UFOs etc, if not manmade in 3D, all will appear as such projections in a lightform, then able to plasmerize as 4D projection.
Only after the 4th space dimension has opened up (in the Black Hole-White Hole Inversion), will the UFOs become truly physical in the 6D hyperspace coinciding with the 3D Linespace. It is like the doubling of the universal volume as a higher dimensional surface mathematically and geometrically.
This is well known in advanced mathematical physics, such as applied to knot theory and the Moebian Twists in Penrose Twistorspacetime of 7D.

On this interview http://www.4dshift.com/7thdru.htm (http://www.4dshift.com/7thdru.htm) Drunvalo talks about a possible storm that never goes away "Plants go crazy, and food then becomes one of the most important commodities." I guess such sudden ice age (like the ones that killed the dinosaurs) will kill billions. Could this be caused only by a pole shift or is he talking about a timeline that we'll no longer experience? Since you said a physical pole shift will not happen, Is this "northern freeze" prospect anywhere on the Thuban records?

Most generally, the last ice age was about 12,000 years ago and the glacial and interglacial periods are modelled on a variety of cycles related to solar evolution, ocean currents, airflow, magnetic pole wanderings and so on.
The trouble is that these cycles (say a 41,000 year Milankovitch cycle linked to precessional angle deviations and a 100,000 year Milankovitch cycle linked to orbital eccentricities) are extrapolated from the present configuration of the solar system and so will be unreliable as superpositioning onto the evolution of the solar system.
As all individual palnets engage in higherD consciousness evolvement as well as that for the starsytem collective, the Newtonian clockwork universe become inapplicable for such extended time periods.

The predicted 'pole shift' IS the Black Hole-White Hole inversion and NOT a flipping of the earth upside-down (an event which would destroy the earth in 3D as a relatively stable planetary biosphere fluctuating about means of equilibria).
The magnetic pole reversal has occurred previously and would temporarily render the electromagnetic communication systems unusable.

The Thuban probability analysis shows that the magnetic poles will reverse, but because of the Black Hole-White Hole Inversion, this will become 'antiflipped' and after a period of disfunctionality, the present electromagnetic grid could be reestablished.
Iow, the old earth will experience a double-flip of magnetic polarity in a say halfweek disruption of the electromagnetic planetary grid.


What are human clones? Could they be around and look just like everyone else? Do they have souls? Is it fair to say that a clone is a sort of robot? If so, could a robot get a soul?
Did the Mayans ascend en mass?

The Thuban perspective on cloning is that of what is scientific reality in the biophysics of the nonhuman lifeforms is applicable to the humnoid.
So the cloning of 'Dolly the sheep' by nuclear transfer of soma cellular material into an oocyte (developing egg cell with its own nucleus removed) indicated that the 'telomerased age' of the soma cell then implanted as a blastocyst into a surrogate mother manifests as a 'genetic age' after birth.

The 'clone' so does not become a robot, but a genetic duplicate of the somatic donor.
In terms of the 'soul' as a unique individualised electromagnetic monopolar field; a new individuality would thus be created from the DNA/RNA template of the genomic template.
This geneticism would however be restricted to the genetic gene expression of the physicality and remain distinct from the 'soul'- expression of the donor.

Iow, your clones would all look like you in physicality as defined by your own conception, BUT would all become INDIVIDUALISATIONS of the preconception parental energies, basically unrelated to your individual metaphysical evolvement, but sharing your parental ancestries in patriarchy and matriarchy.

The Maya did not ascend physically, but the group consciousness did leave the Gaian sphere after establishing the 'World-Tree' and say as described in the Calleman cosmology of the 10 tiers:
1)-Kin=1=Day
2)-Vinal=20/18
3)-Tun=360=20Vinals~0.99 CY for 13Tun~12.8 Civil Years CY = 13 Ancient Years
4)-Katun=7,200=20Tun~19.7 CY for 13Katun~256.3 CY
5)-Baktun=144,000=20Katun~394.3 CY for 13Baktuns~5,125.4 CY
6)-Pictun=2,880,000=20Baktun~7,885 CY for 13Pictun~102,507 CY
7)-Calabtun=57,600,000=20Pictun~157,703 CY for 13Calabtun~2.05 Million CY
8)-Kinchiltun=1,152,000,000=20Calabtun~3.154 Million CY for 41 Million CY (x13)
9)-Alautun=23,040,000,000=20Kinchiltun~63.08 Million CY for 820 Million CY (x13)
10)-Hablatun=460,800,000,000=20Alautun~1.26 Million CY for 16.40 Billion CY (x13)

The purpose of the Maya so was to manifest the cosmic archetypology as a nested or holofractal cosmology from the age of the universe to the cyclic day/kin count.

Why do some stars twinkle and others don’t? Are they all stars?

Stars twinkle because they are seen through layers of atmosphere, are optically contracted and so display refracted light. There are many astronomical objects, which are not classified as stars, but which can reflect, rather than emit their own light, such as moons.


According to the Thuban records, what caused the planet Marduk/Tiamat to explode?

It is a 'failed' planet, either defined by the insufficient agglomeration of mass or the scattering impact by some other large celestial object (compare formation of earth's moon below).

In terms of the mythology it is simply the old archetype of the 1st Order becoming twofold in 2nd order (with an INTERNAL polarity bifurcation), then resulting in 3rd Order in the EXTERNALISATION of the polarity in manifestation.
Null Order=The undifferentiated Chaos (say)

1st Order: Undifferentiated Polarity
Greek: (Eros+Abyss/Tartarus+Night/Erebus)+Gaia=Uranus+Gaia
Egyptian: Ra+Apep in internal mirror images Yang/Yin=...
Mesopotamian: FreshWater of Apsu/Yang+SaltWater of Tiamat/Yin=Nammu=...

2nd Order: Internally differentiated Polarity as Unity
Greek: Titans, in six males with six females say from Oceanus with Tethys
Egyptian: Shu=Father Sky+Tefnut=Mother Earth
Mesopotamian: Lahmu+Mummu=Lahama

3th Order: Externally differentiated Polarity
Greek: Titans led by Cronus with Rhea
Egyptian: Geb=Father Earth+Nut=Mother Earth
Mesopotamian: Anshar+Kishar

4th Order: Beginning of the Generations of the Gods and Goddesses
Greek: Olympians, led by Zeus+Hades with Metis/Consorts+Consorts
Egyptian: Osiris+Isis with Set+Nephthys twinships etc.
Mesopotamian: Anu+Ki into Enlil+Ninlil+Ea/Enki+Dumkina

The male semen=essence=fresh water=ground water so follows the order of Uranus/Ra/Apsu---Titan/Shu/Lahmu---Cronus/Geb/Anshar---Zeus,Hades/Osiris,Set/Anu,Enlil,Enki---...
The female essence=salt water follows the orders of Gaia/Apep/Tiamat---Titaness/Tefnut/Lahama---Rhea/Nut/Kishar---Metis,Hera/Isis,Nephthys/Ki,Ninlil,Dumkina---...



Marduk is the son of Ea+Dumkina and like Zeus (or Horus as the son of Osiris+Isis) challenges the 'old order' in Cronus (or Set, the usurper of Osiris), the usurper of Uranus; Marduk challenges the 'murder' of Apsu (who wished to eliminate the younger gods) by Ea in Qingu+Tiamat.

Sin is the son of Enlil+Ninlil (as Anubis the son of Set+Nephthys) and continues the 'cosmic twinship' archetype of Anshar-Anu and Enlil-Enki in Marduk-Sin in the external polarisation leading back into unification in the third generation.

The fourth generation will so result in this unification in 'The Queen from Heaven' in Innana=Ishtar=Esther (biblical)=Mary=Venus=Aphrodite say as the daughter of Sin+Ningal and 'twinbrother' Utu/Shamash. As Aphrodite then Ishtar can reclaim the primordial creation, having been 'unnaturally' created from the foam of the primordial waters as the genitals of Uranus (compare Isis substituting Osiris phallus after it had been eaten by a 'Spider of Set').


Was it really a water planet?

No, this associates the above creation mythology of the 'waters' with the natural icyness of the Oort comets.

What can you tell us about the people who lived there?

No 'people' ever lived on Marduk/Tiamat as a 'failed' planet of agglomeration or as 'failed' planet of say an impact collision.

What can you tell us about Jupiter's moon Europa?

Europa has an oxygenated atmosphere, albeit not biologically generated like on earth, but by atmospheric physics and a subterranean ocean. So 3D extraterrestrial life could assume the form of thermophiles (sunlight independent bacteria) and free oxyen could form by cosmic ray bombardment of Europa's surface topology. From this the early terrestrial evolution of archaea to fish vertebrata can proceed.

Europa so represents the 3D environment in the solar system today most suitable to harbour lifeforms as we know them.

For more info websearch Europa - moon of Jupiter.

What kind of beings live on Ganymede?


Interdimensional ETs.

Is Iapetus artificial like our moon?

The moon is NOT artificial, neither is Iapetus.

And was it ever used as a weapon like a "Death Star"?

No.


Why does Mercury not have a moon?

Same reason Venus has no moon. It is too close to the sun and strong solar tides would destabilize any gravitationally 'captured' satellite.


What determines if a planet is to have a moon or not and the amount of moons it has? Is it true that our moon was "towed" to its present location? How are natural moons formed?

Moons can result from the collision of a parent planet with an incoming large asteroid-like object relatively early in the evolution of a solar system. In the case of the earth, a Mars sized object crashed into the yet hot and molten earth so 100 million years old and after the impact distributed the greater mass in the centripetal forces of the rotation dynamics.

The moon was NOT 'towed' by ETs to its present location. One can say however, that the impacting celestial object was 'manouvered' by ETs to give the necessary parameters of size and inertia.
One such parameter was required to align the 0.5 degree of angular sizes of the Moon and the Sun to allow the phenomenon of eclipses to occur.


Is it possible that a moon could expand into a planet? What made our moon to have an almost circular orbit?

No, the moon, as is cannot expand and its orbit is a consequence of the celestial physics.


Will the Earth ever grow rings like Saturn? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoz5Q2rGQtQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoz5Q2rGQtQ)

The earth has 'rings' now in the Van Allen belts and atmospheric regions like the Troposphere and the Stratosphere. Saturnian like rings would require a more massive earth to tidally and gravitationally distribute some incoming object (comet or asteroid) in such a manner (see below).


Why is Saturn the only planet in our solar system that has rings? Are these rings a sort od shield or protection?

Those rings are basically purified ice crystals and dust particles and are much younger than Saturn, the planet. They represent the remnants of a icey comet from the Oort cloud and asteroids, which were captured by Saturn's gravity say 100 million years ago and then became tidally distributed into this ring structure by utility of celestial mechanics.

In a hypothetical, will these rings affect humans in the same way our moon does?

No.

How do the rings affect the inhabitants of Saturn?

The inhabitants of Saturn are not 3D creatures, but interdimensional sentiences using the rings, gases, atmospheres etc to manifest in a predominantely gaseous physicality.


Why does menstruation and specially childbirth have to be always painful for women? Will it always be like this?

The degree of painfulness differs amongst women in 3D and the fertility cycles will likewise differ in the lightbodies. Some babies are born with greatly diminished pains underwater for example.
The lightbodies EXTEND the 3D bodies; they do NOT replace them.

I believe you mentioned procreation will still be the same after the shift. If Starhumans will be brand new She, He, HeShe, and SheHe’s, will they still have menses in the higher dimensions?

If the 3D biology is invoked, then the biochemistry will prevail. The restrictions of the 3D life will however be alleviated relative to the 'energization' of the 4D bodyforms. Same so goes for eating and drinking, elimination and so on.
The biovitality will be more refined as the requirement for food will be greatly diminished, especially in solid forms. Yet it will be possible, as for example Jesus did eat fish in the lightbody {John.21.13}.

Will they become androgynous in a short time (like some star people look like), or will this be a biological evolution that requires many generations to accomplish?

As Paul writes: "In the twinkling of an eye, we shall all be changed."

Why does the moon have so much control over women's moods?

Because it embodies the female principle as 3rd order celestial archetype. The femine REFLECTS the light from the masculine as lightgiver.

What will happen to them if we ever have two moons?

Multiple moons as planetary satellites require a change in the celestial mechanics, just as is the case for binary suns. What you term zodiacal magnetomonopolic enegy inductions so would become reconfigured in a resdistribution of archetypes. This then would require redefinition of geometric patterns in the DNA/RNA etc.

Is it true that eventually Starhumans could be born older than babies do now, and not from inside a woman?

No, starhumans are simply evolved humans, who can utilize the 4th spacial dimension through their lightbodies.

Jesus said, "When you see one who was not born of woman, prostrate yourselves on your faces and worship him. That one is your father."

This means the starhumans, who have realised their origins as 'parts and sondaughters and daughtersons of the father' in say the 'Family of God'.
This can only occur if the Jesus-template is multiplied to allow this template to manifest in said starhumans. Then the Father will become a FatherMother (then WITH a physical universe - before creation it was, but WITHOUT that creation). Then the manyness of the 'Cosmic Christening' will allow the FatherMother to become a GrandFather+GrandMother in 1st order and allow the Starhumans to become the Father(Mothers) and the Mother(Fathers). So you are actually 'prostrating' yourself before your own unified selfhood.

At what level of consciousness do humans start procreating from outside their bodies?

Depends what you mean with procreating - sexual intercourse between lightbodies will enhance, not diminish the sensual experiences of 3D bodies as 4D bodies. The cosmos is sexually supercharged on all levels.

This brings me to another inquiry: Do humans get physically taller as they move up in evolution/dimensions?

No.


http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/61/l_ec57ee8161204d7f8378368261cae968.jpg
Can the use of technology like the Large Hadron Collider cause enough disruption as to prevent, delay or modify Earth's path of ascension or is Gaia always in complete control of her destiny?

No to the first question and yes to the second in the first order of definition.

How does a person remember their cosmic ID or name? Could it dawn on a person, even if not consciously looking for it?

You may have one or many such names. You may either come across it someplace or seemingly invent it or dream about it.

Thanks,
Julissa

Your welcome

AA

[abraxasinas]

Thank you Abraxasinas for your response to my last question.:original:

Could you offer any information you have about periods in which Gaia in 3D, experienced rapid (periods of days and weeks) geographical change? Perhaps you could explain the history of the rapid changes in a time-line? How many of these abrupt periods are there?

Thank you very much.


peace:original:

This is linked to the Milankovitch cycles for the recent georecords engaging the hominids with a general beginning say 20 million years ago (first old world monkeys characterised by a separate thumb).
Most generally, the last ice age was about 12,000 years ago and the glacial and interglacial periods are modelled on a variety of cycles related to solar evolution, ocean currents, airflow, magnetic pole wanderings and so on.
The trouble is that these cycles (say a 41,000 year Milankovitch cycle linked to precessional angle deviations and a 100,000 year Milankovitch cycle linked to orbital eccentricities) are extrapolated from the present configuration of the solar system and so will be unreliable as superpositioning onto the evolution of the solar system.
As all individual palnets engage in higherD consciousness evolvement as well as that for the starsytem collective, the Newtonian clockwork universe become inapplicable for such extended time periods.

For more data visit:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_evolution

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abrax, the fact that whenever you post e new reply here there's a kind of trigger and possible explanations for some 'issues' which I'm still trying to understand, is pretty astounishing. Therefore...

...I would have two more questions for you.

First for the bellow:



Back in the mid 90's, there was a time span of about 16-18 months when I had pretty wild dreams of killing a lot of people in a kind of wars. I just had a machine gun in my hands and I killed them all, in many different dreams...Back at that time too, I was one of the persons with many fears of many, many things...

So, I was (and still am) wondering what this could have mean, as I've never been an aggresive person, nor I was in any war...

Remarkable...and strangely...but not long after these dreams stopped, a process started in which I became what I am today...a much, very much different person, without any fear...to cut the story here, I became ME as I know ME and as you know ME!

Now, If I follow the analogy in your answer to Spregovori, then I must assume that back then, 'I was killing' all other aspects of I AM, that should've evtl. stand on the way in the process of my 'awakening'.

Is there any truth in this analogy of mine?

Yes Malletzky, I would agree with that. All 'hostility' in dreams is 'a kind of processing' of a feared selfhood.


...and second, to this:



I've never ever in my life fellt that I have to deal with any 'karma'. This is something which I can't grasp at all...at least not, when it concerns ME.
(I am however, aware that 'what goes around comes around', if I can label karma that way. And that karma really could occur...if some circumstances allow).

Now, there could be two explanations, or both of them are correct, when it comes to the fact why I don't think that 'karma' could affect ME.

The first explanation would be the fact that I don't have any feelings or memories of any previous lifes in this evolutionary cycle...(which fits the informations I got from two sources, that my last 'appearance' here should've been back in the times of Atlantis).

The second explanation...well, you just delivered a possible one, and this is another of the so called 'aha-moments'.


Wow...really, what a great 'aha-moment' for me!

Could it be, that I'm beginning to 'tap' in this highest levels of creation...free from any boundaries, free from anything? (or is it only my ego speaking here?)

Anyway, I feel no presence of any 'karma'... so why not?

Thanks in advance for your short reply and opinion.

with :wub2: and respect
malletzky

There is really no need to 'get rid' of the human ego, who is little more than an immature child trying to 'make and find' its place in the worlds.

When the ego has matured, it will discover the one important thing, namely its oneness with the divine ego of creation and the universal logos.
Then the individual little logos will 'surrender' to the 'big logos' and so become graduated into the 'highest order' as you stated it.

The outcome then is just as you have found out for yourself. The prime directive of the highest order is simply Individual Creativity IN THE NAME of that order, say God or Prime Creator or All That Is.

So once the 'prodigal sons and daughters' have matured their little human egos of separatedness into big divine egos of unity; the ideas of karma and divisiveness in polar oppostions will blend into duality within the monadic Oneness.

AA

[Malletzky]

There is really no need to 'get rid' of the human ego, who is little more than an immature child trying to 'make and find' its place in the worlds.

When the ego has matured, it will discover the one important thing, namely its oneness with the divine ego of creation and the universal logos.
Then the individual little logos will 'surrender' to the 'big logos' and so become graduated into the 'highest order' as you stated it.

The outcome then is just as you have found out for yourself. The prime directive of the highest order is simply Individual Creativity IN THE NAME of that order, say God or Prime Creator or All That Is.

So once the 'prodigal sons and daughters' have matured their little human egos of separatedness into big divine egos of unity; the ideas of karma and divisiveness in polar oppostions will blend into duality within the monadic Oneness.


AA.

So nothing wrong with me and my feelings. :trumpet: :thumb_yello:

THANK YOU!

Malletzky

[hippihillbobbi]

Abraxas --

1 Thanks a bunch for your comments on "substitutionary atonement." they were very helpful. i also liked the way you put this (i guess it's you...in one of your various versions...John Shadow aka Hans Schatten) in the intro to the channeled info i quoted earlier:


".....it is the RESURRECTION within Yourselves and NOT the Crucifixion, which becomes the PIVOT for your existence and partnership with the historical Yeshua.
He 'gave up' his human existence, so he could BECOME the universal body, which encompasses all of you as a 'LightBody'.
All of you are 'trapped' like cells in the Body of Christ, which spans both the Old Earth as a subrealm of the entire universe and the Old Universe as its encompassment.

"So to GET OUT of the enveloping body; you are required to REDEEM Yourselves in bearing witness to the Cosmic Neverending Story and to become Reborn in the Resurrection.
2012 will be the nexus point, when everyone, alive dead and dead alive will have the opportunity to SEVER the umbilical cord, connecting you to the Old Universal Body Gestalt.

"Not all will be able to Cut the Cords of the Rebirth, which shall be universal at the Beginning of the New Cycle of the Starhumanity.

"All of you will eventually 'come to see the Cosmic Christ' within yourselves; but then many of the sceptics and the nay-sayers MUST have 'eggs and tomatoes' on their illuminated faces - so be it!

"I end with this and any queries, I might answer at a later time or perhaps through my scribe John Shadow, who IS NOT the Tony B, many of you believe him to be.

"IAmWhoIAm - the Channel of John Shadow!"



2 AA -- do you feel like sharing anything about your various "aliases" (John, Hans, Abraxas...any more?) and how you view them. the highlighted phrases above are so intriguing!


3 Also (hopefully i'm not being too pesty here) :blink: but i'm wondering why "you" (as John Shadow or his Channel??) seemed to assess Helen Shueman's readings as more "credible" than you (as Abraxas) seem to do now (re: your comment in an above post about these channelings and the Holy Spirit).

"Helen Shucman claimed to channel Yeshuah aka the Jesus of conventional Christianity.....

"Generally, and akin to the Seth channel of Jane Roberts; Helen Shucman transmits at the 99% percentile in a mode very near superconsciousness - meaning she is fully conscious when transmitting her messages.

"Her claim to write in the name of Jesus/Yeshua so deserves great credibility."


As ever, Abraxas, i so appreciate your time and energy on our behalf!

hippihill

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas --

1 Thanks a bunch for your comments on "substitutionary atonement." they were very helpful. i also liked the way you put this (i guess it's you...in one of your various versions...John Shadow aka Hans Schatten) in the intro to the channeled info i quoted earlier:


".....it is the RESURRECTION within Yourselves and NOT the Crucifixion, which becomes the PIVOT for your existence and partnership with the historical Yeshua.
He 'gave up' his human existence, so he could BECOME the universal body, which encompasses all of you as a 'LightBody'.
All of you are 'trapped' like cells in the Body of Christ, which spans both the Old Earth as a subrealm of the entire universe and the Old Universe as its encompassment.

"So to GET OUT of the enveloping body; you are required to REDEEM Yourselves in bearing witness to the Cosmic Neverending Story and to become Reborn in the Resurrection.
2012 will be the nexus point, when everyone, alive dead and dead alive will have the opportunity to SEVER the umbilical cord, connecting you to the Old Universal Body Gestalt.

"Not all will be able to Cut the Cords of the Rebirth, which shall be universal at the Beginning of the New Cycle of the Starhumanity.

"All of you will eventually 'come to see the Cosmic Christ' within yourselves; but then many of the sceptics and the nay-sayers MUST have 'eggs and tomatoes' on their illuminated faces - so be it!

"I end with this and any queries, I might answer at a later time or perhaps through my scribe John Shadow, who IS NOT the Tony B, many of you believe him to be.

"IAmWhoIAm - the Channel of John Shadow!"



2 AA -- do you feel like sharing anything about your various "aliases" (John, Hans, Abraxas...any more?) and how you view them. the highlighted phrases above are so intriguing!

Sure hippihill!

John Shadow is English for Hans Schatten as the same ID. This ID 'walked-in' for a previous ID TonyB. aka the owner of the website you found this material on.

John Shadow aka Hans Schatten were 'walked-in' by Abraxas in so eliminating the 'channeling' of say 3rd order by a 2nd order closer to the source.


3 Also (hopefully i'm not being too pesty here) :blink: but i'm wondering why "you" (as John Shadow or his Channel??) seemed to assess Helen Shueman's readings as more "credible" than you (as Abraxas) seem to do now (re: your comment in an above post about these channelings and the Holy Spirit).

"Helen Shucman claimed to channel Yeshuah aka the Jesus of conventional Christianity.....

"Generally, and akin to the Seth channel of Jane Roberts; Helen Shucman transmits at the 99% percentile in a mode very near superconsciousness - meaning she is fully conscious when transmitting her messages.

"Her claim to write in the name of Jesus/Yeshua so deserves great credibility."


As ever, Abraxas, i so appreciate your time and energy on our behalf!

hippihill

I have highlighted (in red) the interpretation of the 'channeling' of 3rd order, which assigned 'high credibility' to Helen Schucman.
This has not changed, but the 2nd order simply understands the true Yeshuah as being necessarily 'more filtered' in polarisation in 3rd order than is the case in 2nd order.
Yeshuah himherself would operate from 1st order.

AA

[bigmo]

To all of you:

I know that at anytime I or those contributing to this thread may loose access or their ability to participate here do to circumstances beyond our control.

Since there is no time like the present I wish to take a moment and extend a heart felt and humble thanks to all of you who have participated and contributed to Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

For me it has proven to be one of the most illuminating and revealing discussions I have ever witnessed and is one of the primary reasons for my participation with Project Avalon.

I have known for years that there was 'something more' than the few strategically placed kernels of truth that I have been spoon fed throughout my lifetime. I have also taken Jesus at his word and have held close to my heart his admonishment to 'Knock and the door shall be opened'.

I believe that through this thread some of those 'doors have been opened'. I have not reached closure as of yet but have a renewed interest in the vital questions that have perplexed me over the years and I would guess, many others as well.

A special thanks to you Abraxas, for your contribution with your deep incites and revelations. You have made my mind flip inside and out and twist over and upon itself, which I am afraid was sorely needed!

I thank you and hold a deep gratitude to you for this and ask one additional question:

Is it within your power to show us the process by which we may also, gain access to the Thubane Records?

Peace to all of you!

[dddanieljjjamesss]

While I go back and read the other 43 pages of this thread (which may take some time!)

Is there anyone that wouldn't mind giving a few important recaps?

I know, just based on the first few pages, that may be a lot to ask...

Feel free to message me or respond in thread.

[hippihillbobbi]

dddaniel --

it definitely would be worth your time and energy to reread this 43-page thread :mfr_omg: despite its intimidating length. i'm not sure there's any way exactly to just "hit the highlights," as the topics really do seem to run the gamut!! cosmology, spirituality, 2012, ascension, lots of advanced math (even though many of us have to skip alot of this part, i'm afraid). i guess pretty much any topic touched-on anywhere else on this forum MAY have been mentioned here as well .... or, if not, any are certainly "fair game." (though, if it's been covered before, Abraxas will sometimes refer you to this post or even resources outside PA & PC)

Hope you Enjoy the Ride, dddaniel!!! :thumb_yello:

hippihillbobbi

[dddanieljjjamesss]

I just opened up a new window and got every page in a frame!

Looks like I won't be bored while traveling 6hrs on a greyhound today :P


Can't wait!

[hippihillbobbi]

Abraxas --


do you feel like sharing anything about your various "aliases" (John, Hans, Abraxas...any more?)


Sure hippihill!

John Shadow is English for Hans Schatten as the same ID. This ID 'walked-in' for a previous ID TonyB. aka the owner of the website you found this material on.

John Shadow aka Hans Schatten were 'walked-in' by Abraxas in so eliminating the 'channeling' of say 3rd order by a 2nd order closer to the source.



So then does it correlate that Sirebard Beardris is a "walk-in" for Abraxas???


And, while we're on the subject, AA ..... what exactly IS a walk-in? I suppose it's different from channelling in that Tony-John/Hans-Abraxas are all conscious while the information is being communicated???

Thanks again, AA.

hippihill

[migp]

Hi Abraxas,

One question. What do you think about this video. Is it true? can it be harmful?.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRFC4vAR7yI

Thank you,

[Malletzky]

To all of you:

I know that at anytime I or those contributing to this thread may loose access or their ability to participate here do to circumstances beyond our control.

WHat do you mean by this Bigmo...do you have some informations?

Since there is no time like the present I wish to take a moment and extend a heart felt and humble thanks to all of you who have participated and contributed to Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

For me it has proven to be one of the most illuminating and revealing discussions I have ever witnessed and is one of the primary reasons for my participation with Project Avalon


I can only agree. How true.


I have known for years that there was 'something more' than the few strategically placed kernels of truth that I have been spoon fed throughout my lifetime. I have also taken Jesus at his word and have held close to my heart his admonishment to 'Knock and the door shall be opened'.

I believe that through this thread some of those 'doors have been opened'. I have not reached closure as of yet but have a renewed interest in the vital questions that have perplexed me over the years and I would guess, many others as well.

A special thanks to you Abraxas, for your contribution with your deep incites and revelations. You have made my mind flip inside and out and twist over and upon itself, which I am afraid was sorely needed!

I thank you and hold a deep gratitude to you for this and ask one additional question:

Is it within your power to show us the process by which we may also, gain access to the Thubane Records?

Peace to all of you!



dddaniel --

it definitely would be worth your time and energy to reread this 43-page thread :mfr_omg: despite its intimidating length. i'm not sure there's any way exactly to just "hit the highlights," as the topics really do seem to run the gamut!! cosmology, spirituality, 2012, ascension, lots of advanced math (even though many of us have to skip alot of this part, i'm afraid). i guess pretty much any topic touched-on anywhere else on this forum MAY have been mentioned here as well .... or, if not, any are certainly "fair game." (though, if it's been covered before, Abraxas will sometimes refer you to this post or even resources outside PA & PC)

Hope you Enjoy the Ride, dddaniel!!! :thumb_yello:

hippihillbobbi


hehehe...Hippihill...I belong to these folks that really have to skip some parts of that advanced math, altough I consider myself having some good maths and physics background.

But that doesn't stop me of considering the presented material on these pages as highly intriguing, highly open minded, highly controversal, highly...:welcomeani:d

If we are above to accept the fact that we should consider all, really all possibilities about the nature of the 'true' existance of the human race (phisycaly and non-phisycaly, no matter what 'true' might mean), these pages must be contributed as a part of the wholeness.

Ignoring something makes ME ignorant and therefore limited in my further 'evolution'

Thank you all and thank you Abrax for your time and efforts.

with much respect
malletzky

[rustanddust]

what was the price on her head ?

[Jonah]

Depends what you mean with procreating - sexual intercourse between lightbodies will enhance, not diminish the sensual experiences of 3D bodies as 4D bodies. The cosmos is sexually supercharged on all levels.


Abrax,

Would this explain external emissions? When I was a teenager I used to have the darndest dreams...:wink2:

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas --


do you feel like sharing anything about your various "aliases" (John, Hans, Abraxas...any more?)


Sure hippihill!

John Shadow is English for Hans Schatten as the same ID. This ID 'walked-in' for a previous ID TonyB. aka the owner of the website you found this material on.

John Shadow aka Hans Schatten were 'walked-in' by Abraxas in so eliminating the 'channeling' of say 3rd order by a 2nd order closer to the source.



So then does it correlate that Sirebard Beardris is a "walk-in" for Abraxas???

Sirebard Beardris = Abraxas, both of 2nd order.


And, while we're on the subject, AA ..... what exactly IS a walk-in? I suppose it's different from channelling in that Tony-John/Hans-Abraxas are all conscious while the information is being communicated???

Thanks again, AA.

hippihill

Indeed, there NEVER was any 'subconscious' channeling associated with all labels mentioned by you. There are no 'trance' states; but there was a 'graduation' from 3rd order to 2nd order occurring in June 2008.
This 'graduation' allowed publication of the timeline mentioned a number of times in these messages.
The significance is, that the timeline in the pyramid converges with the Mayan timeline converges with the scriptural prophecies.
For example there are precisely 1600 days between the nodal mirror day of August 4th, 2008 to December 21st, 2012 {Revelation.14.20}.
You will NOT find this correlation anywhere on the earthplane, even the hidden databases are unaware of this.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abraxas,

One question. What do you think about this video. Is it true? can it be harmful?.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRFC4vAR7yI

Thank you,


Hi migp!

It is well known by the brotherhood of the snake (illuminati+luminari); that the subliminal programming using 'catch words', like 'dying NASA scientist' or 'contact UFO' etc. can be very effective across a wide spectrum of the viewing populance.

This videa especially uses a potent archetype in the symbolic wheel of 13 starsign symbols - including the sign of the 'serpent tamer'.

The three little circles form the root reduced 12=1+2=3; 11=1+1=2 and 10=1+0=1.

The clip is so NOT dangerous for the informed watcher, but can lead into 'mind confusions' for the underinformed.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Abrax,

Would this explain external emissions? When I was a teenager I used to have the darndest dreams...:wink2:

Think of the entire universe as a 'Woman on Heat' and a feminine mind, which whereever SHE 'looks' cannot find a suitable 'partner' and lover.

The universal 'frustration' between the sexces is somewhat like this.

Your 'lover', any woman already IS in the 'Heaven' Above.
She KNOWS what SHE wants - how HER abode will 'look like', a bedroom there and a kithchen there and this colour and a swimming pool here and a sauna there etc. etc.

BUT Big SHE has absolutely NO IDEA of how to get what she wants and desires.

So SHE reaches down from her 'lonesome' and unfulfilling throne in heaven to find a MATE.

EVERY Man, by cosmic definition, is 'Bound in the Hell' below; BUT every Man KNOWS How to Build the Castle for the Heavenly Queen - literally brick by brick.

And so there was this One Man who understood the Story, so 2000 years ago.
This One Man however also understood, that the story could not become completed in one go.
HE himself had to become the One Woman to properly multiply the Queen from Heaven in the Manyness of the Females coexisting in the Manmade Hell.
And so this One Man found a mate in Mary, who could form HIS mirror in HER.
HE made HER a MAN in metaphysical terms to reflect HIMSELF in HERSELF.


(114)
Simon Peter said to them: "Let Mary go away from us, for women are not worthy of life."
Jesus said: "Look, I will draw her in so as to make her male,
so that she too may become a living male spirit, similar to you."
(But I say to you): "Every woman who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of heaven."

Jesus saw infants being suckled.
He said to his disciples:
"These little ones being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
They said to him: "Then will we enter the kingdom as little ones?"
Jesus said to them: "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside
and the above like the below – that is, to make the male and the female into a single one, so that the male will not be male and the female will not be female – and when you make eyes instead of an eye and a hand instead of a hand and a foot instead of a foot, an image instead of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]."
The Gospel According to Thomas

Now Jonah; the Mirror of the Two in One has ascended so 1980 years ago to encompass the universe, so 'healing' the original 'breach' of the sexual disharmony of a maleminded femininity and a femalebodied masculinity.

This mirror has now descended to lace the Gaian environment under quarantine and shall lift the quarantine with the birth of the starhuman infant on December 21st, 2012.

This timeline has little to do with any ETs in the Gaian quarantine, but has much to do with ETs outside of it - because the latter CAN for the first time in THEIR history watch and observe the HARMONIZED Universe from WITHOUT (they were WITHIN the universe and so encompassed by the 'Big Mirror' BEFORE the Gaian quarantine).

BUT the DESIRE of the Universe now doubled as a fractalized Gaia in the hologram of the entire universe has still not been fulfilled.

The Big Mother is rather 'horny' and after SHE has given birth to her 'VIRGINBIRTH' starhumanity, SHE will Do what She has waited for close to 20 billion years to DO - to make LOVE through her graduated ambassadoras of the humanity and their beaus, able to construct the new reconfigured universes.

AA

[dddanieljjjamesss]

Still only about ten pages deep... but I notice that you have a knack for applying individual-specific metaphors to help explain things. I am just curious if you have anything for me abraxasinas :P

Yesterday I was positively tingling, it's hard for me to concentrate on my school work which seems so mundane and just another part of the matrix.

That's probably the biggest thing I struggle with now... trying to maintain myself as part of the "every day" world and at the same time use my time wisely to prepare for whats up ahead.

I've eaten my rice, but haven't managed to wash my bowl yet, if you catch the reference (which I'm sure you will hehe.)

I love you and everyone in this thread!

[hippihillbobbi]

Dear Abraxas --

I'd just like to "run-this-by-you" to be sure i've got it straight ..... so Abraxas/Sirebard (2nd order) and Hans/John (3rd order) are the same soul/entity as TonyB, who is currently individuated in third-density ..... ?

and, if the above is correct, i'd like to ask what is the correlation between orders and densities? e.g., what densities are Abraxas and Hans? i think i remember you replying earlier on that in 2012 "you" expected to be ascending to 4th density positive ..... i guess that was the "you" labelled TonyB? does this imply the "automatic" ascensions of Abraxas and Hans as well?

Then, one more thing for now, AA .... following is a quote from your last reply to me which i didn't quite "get." would you please explain more specifically why this 1600-day timeline between Aug. 4, 2008 and Dec. 12, 2012 is important? (i realize it has something to do with the fulfillment of Egyptian-Mayan-Christian prophecy, but how exactly?[I]

[I]"For example there are precisely 1600 days between the nodal mirror day of August 4th, 2008 to December 21st, 2012 {Revelation.14.20}."

Thanks so much, as always, Abraxas.

hippihill

[Jonah]

SHE will Do what She has waited for close to 20 billion years to DO - to make LOVE through her graduated ambassadoras of the humanity and their beaus, able to construct the new reconfigured universes.

AA

:partytime2:

[Céline]

SHE will Do what She has waited for close to 20 billion years to DO - to make LOVE through her graduated ambassadoras of the humanity and their beaus, able to construct the new reconfigured universes.


that is simply the most..stimulating thing i have read on your thread Abrax...

If only more people knew the capacity of passion and creation this planet has...none of this would be important....

To much thinking...not enough feeling...sigh..

[abraxasinas]

SHE will Do what She has waited for close to 20 billion years to DO - to make LOVE through her graduated ambassadoras of the humanity and their beaus, able to construct the new reconfigured universes.


that is simply the most..stimulating thing i have read on your thread Abrax...

If only more people knew the capacity of passion and creation this planet has...none of this would be important....

To much thinking...not enough feeling...sigh..

You are one of her ambassadoras Celine; a holofractal image of BIG SHE.
When Gaia ascends as THE CREATION; necessarily HER selfcreated Goddesses will so become enabled to remain within Her - with umbilical cords cut.
THE ONE CREATION will so mirror herself in the MANY holo-Daughters, selfchosen to share HER Homecoming.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Dear Abraxas --

I'd just like to "run-this-by-you" to be sure i've got it straight ..... so Abraxas/Sirebard (2nd order) and Hans/John (3rd order) are the same soul/entity as TonyB, who is currently individuated in third-density ..... ?

You are making it too complicated Hippihill!
YOU are all orders, but only able to process the energies (or densities) relative to your REMEMBRANCE of your SELF as shard (or hologram) of All That Is.

Basically, 1st Order is unattainable, as this implies complete resonance with the Prime Source as a UNITY of All That Exists.
You can experience this as a NOW moment and many 'enlightened ones' have done so and called it 'eternal bliss' or 'nirvana' or whatever.

The Prime Source has defined itself (through its Logos/Intelligence/Word) as MIRRORING its own ONENESS in its own MANYNESS.

Take a mirror into a forest say and look into this mirror. You will see your own self AND many other things in the forest, say trees and birds and foxes.

This image then is like Prime Source looking into the universe to 'SEE ITSELF' as many things, including itself as You.

YOU in 2nd Order is 'above' the realm of the 'archangels', seraphims and cherubims (and certain ETs); as the latter imply the archetype of the 2nd order without external polarisation.

3rd Order is then polarisation externalised, such as angels and demons/devils as etheric and higherD forms able to interact with lowerD forms in polarisation, such as humans and ETs and flora and fauna.

So the 'masterplan' engages the concept of allowing 'fallen logii/words/egos' in the lowest dimensions (what is known as 1-2-3 densities) to 'work themselves up' to the 2nd Order of the internal polarisation.
This is why Jesus says:

John.10.34-35: 'Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I SAID, YE ARE GODS? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scipture cannot be broken;...
1Corinthians.5.3: 'Know ye not that we shall judge angels?
how much more things that pertain to this life?'

So then YOU or TonyB or Mr. Smith or Miss Jones are in some order below the 3rd and graduate to a higher order in 'walking in' on himherself in REMEMBRANCE of hisher individual logii coupling to the cosmic Logos (of the 1st Order).

In the case of TonyB; a certain 'dispensation' from a higher order then allows this 'walking in' to EXTEND the soul-remembrance, say in manifesting the archetype of the bisexuality in the he becoming a heshe (recall the sexchromosomatic quadruplex of the conception Y0X1+Y0X2+X0X1+X0X2).
So YOU or anyone can in fact 'ascend' to 2nd Order through and by the coupling of your lower order individual logos with the 1st Order Logos (which you know as the Word coupled to God in John.1.1).






and, if the above is correct, i'd like to ask what is the correlation between orders and densities? e.g., what densities are Abraxas and Hans? i think i remember you replying earlier on that in 2012 "you" expected to be ascending to 4th density positive ..... i guess that was the "you" labelled TonyB? does this imply the "automatic" ascensions of Abraxas and Hans as well?

Abraxas=Sirebard Beardris are 2nd Order in the 12th dimension (of Thuban);
This cosmologically encompasses OmniSpace of densities 10-11-12-(13=1) to clo0se thye dimensional/density continuum.
Densities and Dimensions are cosmologically identical (see for example tone3jaguar's website); but are subject to 3-tiered spacetime definitions in translation, rotation and vibration for 9 spacedimensions and 'connector' time dimensions (4)-(7)-(10)-(13=1).

3rd Order of the externalised polarity archetyped so becomes defined in say the 9 Mayan timelords in QuantumSpace; where however the actual physical manifesto of this polarity is restricted in 6D (reference the Ra material say), because dimensions/densities (7)-8-9-(10) are vibratory and do not allow for archetypical antiprinciples (see 24 Elders thread of Abraxas).

So you find many many ETs and Gods/Goddesses in QuantumSpace aka the 'etheric' in some labelings.

4th Order is similar to 3D, but more dense and so more physical in terms of materiality and so encompasses the so called 'astral' of dimensions (4)-5-6-(7) as the HyperSpace and also the familiar LineSpace of dimensions 1-2-3-(4).

All of Prime Source's 'intelligence' became dispersed at the birth of the universe in the 1st dimension and then manifested the LineSpace in the commonly understood cosmogenesis of the terrestrial science, cosmology and asrophysics.

This then was the 'Fall' of the higher orders, rather poignantly related to the 'mundane' physical sciences and quite without ETs/archangels warring against God to be 'chucked out' of 'heaven'.

But for millennia, the harmonised cosmogony could not be understood in 'mundane scientific' terms and so the higher order entities became associated in metaphor with the REAL intelligence of Prime Source and as defined by the Logos (this is why God allows Adam to name all the animals in Genesis.2.19 - Adam being the metaphysical archetype (as Cosmic Man=Purusha=Adam Kadmon=Pigeradamas=Vitruvius=...) for the physical Jesus as the One Logos, then multiplying in the Universal Christening in the Many, including all women through hisher 'redemption' of Mary Magdalene as the archetype for all womanhood -descending with himherself as herhimself.


Then, one more thing for now, AA .... following is a quote from your last reply to me which i didn't quite "get." would you please explain more specifically why this 1600-day timeline between Aug. 4, 2008 and Dec. 12, 2012 is important? (i realize it has something to do with the fulfillment of Egyptian-Mayan-Christian prophecy, but how exactly?

[I][I]"For example there are precisely 1600 days between the nodal mirror day of August 4th, 2008 to December 21st, 2012 {Revelation.14.20}."

Thanks so much, as always, Abraxas.

hippihill

The 1600 days are made up of 1335+265 days; 265 days being the gestation period for the starhuman baby to be born on the Mayan nexus date.
Therefore, Gaia will become impregnated with the Manyness of the Second Coming on the anniversary of the Resurrection Day April 1st, 2012/32.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Still only about ten pages deep... but I notice that you have a knack for applying individual-specific metaphors to help explain things. I am just curious if you have anything for me abraxasinas :P

Yesterday I was positively tingling, it's hard for me to concentrate on my school work which seems so mundane and just another part of the matrix.

That's probably the biggest thing I struggle with now... trying to maintain myself as part of the "every day" world and at the same time use my time wisely to prepare for whats up ahead.

I've eaten my rice, but haven't managed to wash my bowl yet, if you catch the reference (which I'm sure you will hehe.)

I love you and everyone in this thread!

Hi daniel!

I have a knack for 'reading' nonlocalised mental vibration patterns, that is all.
So I have really nothing to give to anyone on a forum such as this except raw data for you to process as you wish through and by your own vibration patterns.

I got two things though; one your name Daniel triggered a certain prospensity for you to affiliate with Lions and the feline species.
I am compelled to refer you to the movie Catwoman, as the archetypes in that film apply to you (she's a sexy chick that Halle Berry).
This might also relate to the Daniel in the bible.
Jesus says:
"Blessed is the lion that a person will eat and the lion will become human.
And cursed/anathema is the person whom a lion will eat and the lion will become human."


Secondly, your washing of the bowl attains to:

(89) Jesus says:
"Why do you wash the outside of the cup?
Do you not understand that the one who created the inside is also the one who created the outside?"
AA

[Malletzky]

...

Jesus says:
"Blessed is the lion that a person will eat and the lion will become human.
And cursed/anathema is the person whom a lion will eat and the lion will become human."

....

(89) Jesus says:
"Why do you wash the outside of the cup?
Do you not understand that the one who created the inside is also the one who created the outside?"
AA


Abrax, in the process of presenting the Thuban 'message', you indeed use many excerpts and quotes from Jesus (or the Bible) in order to explain the deeper meaning of some Thuban postulates. Basicly, I rather embrace the choosed approach, then to just 'blindly' believe (or not) the message.

And exactly this kind of presenting the message enables me to more and more understand the 'real' meaning of Jesus's metaphores and therefore to grasp the deeper meaning of the 'beingness'='onennes'='wholeness'...

What I wanted to express is, this thread really a kind of "switched the switcher" from 'off to on' or from 'neutral to on' (depending on my previous understandings and 'beliefs').

I now find my self of reading these many peaces of Jesus's wisdom and I finaly understand them (not allways admittedly, but more often and often).

If I was 'to meet' Jesus 5 years ago (just metaphorically), I would have missunderstand the most of his teachings. But now, thanks to you as 'the messenger' and the message 'itself', it's all different....:thumb_yello:

Once again I have to emphasize the meaning of this thread to ME. It is really an 'eye opener' and a 'mind opener', (and once again, at least for ME). I may or may not 'agree' (I used 'agree' here more in sense of the deeper understanding, right from the center of my heart) with the Thuban message in its wholeness.

But in it's core, it definitely feels right and wrong in each and every moment (simultaniosly) and therefore IS definitely worth of listening.

The moment I manage to unify the right with the wrong (and my inner feeling tells me I'm not too far away from this), I'LL BE THERE...WHERE IT ALL STARTED...

My deepest respect to you dear friend
Malletzky

[Initiate]

Hi Abraxas,

The search for truth has lead me to path of Kabbalah and on investigation I feel strongly that Jesus must have had a background in this "Science". Apparently it was the teaching that Abraham gave in his tent probably around the time of Thubin as the pole star. The science supports your discourse. So I guess you could say this is a thumbs up to what you have shared. This video supports your number theory:


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this path of knowledge found me which is interesting. Indeed as I seem to be working below so work is being done above both heading for the middle road.

I just want to say thanks for sharing your information.

Regards,

Andrew

Abraxas,

Do you agree with the comparison to the Thuban material or does the lack of comment indicate a lack of agreement?

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas,

Do you agree with the comparison to the Thuban material or does the lack of comment indicate a lack of agreement?

Hi Andrew!

As you did not directly ask a question in your quoted message before, but stated that the posted video link is in contextual support of the Thuban material, I did not reply to your earlier post.
If I do not reply to something, then either it is not meaningful for me to reply or I am in agreement with the message as stated.

If the former, then the message or post might have been 'ad hominem' or relative to me in my function of a Thubanese messenger, in some manner 'immature or puerile' in 'attacking' some context or answer and so a reply on my behalf would simply exacerbate a 'disagreement' in such context of 'mental immaturity'.

If the latter, as was the case with your video (which I viewed), then I would obviously be in agreement with the stated message.
Again if a question would have been asked, then I would have answered, except if asked in the former 'abusive' scenarios.

Now to answer your question here.
I viewed this video and it is well founded in its generality; especially in its emphasis of the 'circle of nothingness' also being 'everythingness'.
This translates to the Nothing=Nullstate of the Void=Eternity and then becomes 'finitized' in the 12-dimensional supermembrane scenario of contemporary brane theories.

So the only thing I would partially disagree with in your video is the statement, that the 'All That Is' cannot be discerned in some form of finitized comprehensible formalism, namely said omni-physics.

Overall, this video is kabbalistic in its generality and comprehension of the beginnings and orgins of the cosmogony, without indicating the approach to define such cosmogony as the ontology for any then emerging cosmology.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Abrax, in the process of presenting the Thuban 'message', you indeed use many excerpts and quotes from Jesus (or the Bible) in order to explain the deeper meaning of some Thuban postulates. Basicly, I rather embrace the choosed approach, then to just 'blindly' believe (or not) the message.

And exactly this kind of presenting the message enables me to more and more understand the 'real' meaning of Jesus's metaphores and therefore to grasp the deeper meaning of the 'beingness'='onennes'='wholeness'...

What I wanted to express is, this thread really a kind of "switched the switcher" from 'off to on' or from 'neutral to on' (depending on my previous understandings and 'beliefs').

I now find my self of reading these many peaces of Jesus's wisdom and I finally understand them (not allways admittedly, but more often and often).

If I was 'to meet' Jesus 5 years ago (just metaphorically), I would have missunderstand the most of his teachings. But now, thanks to you as 'the messenger' and the message 'itself', it's all different....:thumb_yello:

Once again I have to emphasize the meaning of this thread to ME. It is really an 'eye opener' and a 'mind opener', (and once again, at least for ME). I may or may not 'agree' (I used 'agree' here more in sense of the deeper understanding, right from the center of my heart) with the Thuban message in its wholeness.

But in it's core, it definitely feels right and wrong in each and every moment (simultaneously) and therefore IS definitely worth of listening.

The moment I manage to unify the right with the wrong (and my inner feeling tells me I'm not too far away from this), I'LL BE THERE...WHERE IT ALL STARTED...

My deepest respect to you dear friend
Malletzky

Thank you indeed Malletzky and bigmo and the participants, who have found value in these messages and who have found it appropriate to comment on their appreciation of them.
These kind of comments render my efforts worthwhile indeed and expressing this gratitude has a significant effect on the human group consciousness.

For I am a simple messenger from the Logos and therefore do I emphasize the WORDS=SWORD so much.
It is the Logos within each one of you, who analyses and processes these messages.
So when your waking consciousness either accepts or rejects these words, then it is your own Logos in connection to this Encompassing Logos, which does the 'judging'.

It is quite appropriate for many to reject these messages, as this rejection also carries within it a great learning experience.
You may ask bigmo about this, as he has experienced just such an immense 'self learning curve'.

As stated many times; these are only words; but these words are unknown by all sources in the quarantined earth plane (including ALL ETs therein - perhaps now you can fathom as to why 'they' are 'leaving') and this is the reason they are given.
You may say that these words are from the order beyond what has been sequestered and occultized in 'libraries' and archives throughout the human history, especially during the last 26,000 years.
These words are by no means exhaustive and there will be many Thubanites (recall THUBAN=66=FREEDOM=THE33=.. and just a label used for the 1st Order of the Dragon archetype); even emerging from your own ranks, who will extend and finetune these 'dragon seeds' from the Master-Templar.

These messages serve a singular 'master-purpose' and this is to 'hyperaccelerate' the available collective human group consciousness by AWAKENING the mental potential slumbering in everyone to TRIGGER the SELF REMEMBRANCE of BEING a Thubanite through and by the ability to ALIGN the Gaian humanoid Logos TO the Cosmic Logos.

I am impressed that about a dozen participators on Project Avalon have already TRIGGERED themselves in such remembrances.
Any of you can easily 'check this' in comparing your subconscious experiences to what they are now, after having been exposed to the Thubanese data stream, to before such exposure.

Peace of Mind and Heart be with you all!

AA

[Spregovori]

Hei Abraxasinas

Have you ever considered talking to people of science? I do (and am surly not the only one) appreciate your efforts to come and discuss the topics here and answer our question....but if you go and talk to a "man of science" your infromation just might erupt in main stream = more people would know about it....

There a people like for example dr. Michio Kaku.... If you talk to him using mathematical terms and non layman terms...i am sure you can get his attention. By what is written about him, he just might be opened enough to put some of his attention to what you have to say...

http://mkaku.org/

-----------------

American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) theoretical physicist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics) specializing in string field theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_field_theory), and a futurist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurist). He is a popularizer of science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_science), host of two radio programs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_programming) and a best-selling author.

Kaku was born in San Jose, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California) to Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan) immigrant parents, and attended and played first board on the chess team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess#Competitive_play) of Cubberly High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elwood_P._Cubberly_High_School) in Palo Alto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Alto) in the early 1960s. At the National Science Fair in Albuquerque, N.M., he attracted the attention of physicist Edward Teller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Teller), who took Kaku as a protégé, awarding him the Hertz Engineering Scholarship. Kaku graduated summa cum laude (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summa_cum_laude) from Harvard University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_University) with a B.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Science) degree in 1968 and was first in his physics class. He attended the Berkeley Radiation Laboratory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Radiation_Laboratory) at the University of California, Berkeley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley) and received a Ph.D. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Philosophy) in 1972

Kaku currently holds the Henry Semat Chair and Professorship in theoretical physics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics) and a joint appointment at City College of New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_College_of_New_York), and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, where he has lectured for more than 30 years. Presently, he is engaged in defining the "Theory of Everything (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Everything)", which seeks to unify the four fundamental forces of the universe: the strong force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_force), the weak force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_force), gravity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity) and electromagnetism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku

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I am not an expert on Kaku...but he, for example, is not afraid to say that there are ET out there and is not afraid to discuss the "out of this world" possibilities (my impression). I do not know how right or wrong he is...but he keeps an open mind even to things that are said to be theoretically possible but practically not doable (most probably because of the financial system) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw9-ZaoCG5A

[abraxasinas]

Hei Abraxasinas

Have you ever considered talking to people of science? I do (and am surly not the only one) appreciate your efforts to come and discuss the topics here and answer our question....but if you go and talk to a "man of science" your infromation just might erupt in main stream = more people would know about it....

There a people like for example dr. Michio Kaku.... If you talk to him using mathematical terms and non layman terms...i am sure you can get his attention. By what is written about him, he just might be opened enough to put some of his attention to what you have to say...

http://mkaku.org/

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American (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States) theoretical physicist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics) specializing in string field theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_field_theory), and a futurist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futurist). He is a popularizer of science (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popular_science), host of two radio programs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_programming) and a best-selling author.

Kaku was born in San Jose, California (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Jose,_California) to Japanese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan) immigrant parents, and attended and played first board on the chess team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess#Competitive_play) of Cubberly High School (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elwood_P._Cubberly_High_School) in Palo Alto (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palo_Alto) in the early 1960s. At the National Science Fair in Albuquerque, N.M., he attracted the attention of physicist Edward Teller (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Teller), who took Kaku as a protégé, awarding him the Hertz Engineering Scholarship. Kaku graduated summa cum laude (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summa_cum_laude) from Harvard University (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvard_University) with a B.S. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Science) degree in 1968 and was first in his physics class. He attended the Berkeley Radiation Laboratory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berkeley_Radiation_Laboratory) at the University of California, Berkeley (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley) and received a Ph.D. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_of_Philosophy) in 1972

Kaku currently holds the Henry Semat Chair and Professorship in theoretical physics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_physics) and a joint appointment at City College of New York (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_College_of_New_York), and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York, where he has lectured for more than 30 years. Presently, he is engaged in defining the "Theory of Everything (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_Everything)", which seeks to unify the four fundamental forces of the universe: the strong force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strong_force), the weak force (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weak_force), gravity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravity) and electromagnetism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism).


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku

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I am not an expert on Kaku...but he, for example, is not afraid to say that there are ET out there and is not afraid to discuss the "out of this world" possibilities (my impression). I do not know how right or wrong he is...but he keeps an open mind even to things that are said to be theoretically possible but practically not doable (most probably because of the financial system) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lw9-ZaoCG5A

Thank you for your advice Spregovori.
I am aware that Michio Kaku and some other prominent physicists have been informed about aspects and foundations of the Thuban science.
There does exist a timeline however, which requires that the new scientific paradigm for the 'New Earth' becomes aligned with its metaphysical progenitor.

This 'parent science' is closely aligned with what you term the ET-sciences.
So the many 'diversions' about 'alternative energy sources' and 'alien technology' relate as much to a 'gradual introduction of ET science' from the atomic age (Roswell 1947), albeit 'materialized' by terrestrial scientists (back engineering), as to a 'projection' of that ET science as to what shall become possible in a reconfigured spacetime configuration.

Many 'whistleblowers', claiming to possess 'inside information' and often claiming to have scientific credentials (Lazar, Burisch, Anderson, etc.) do not. This can be easily ascertained in actually perusing their written reports, say as a qualified physicist or biochemist.
A 'trained' or experienced scientist simply DOES NOT write or converse about scientific fields of expertise in semantics (often appearing to simplify into layman terms and colloquialisms) as they do.

So much of the 'alternative science testimony' is in fact blatant disinformation planted by the PTB to confuse and to 'muddle the waters'.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hi All!

I would like to correlate this Thuban thread with particular messages channeled from 'Matthew' from the 'other side' of the cosmic mirror.
Matthew Ward died in 1980 and some 14 years later began to relay messages to his mother Suzanne Ward.

Now the 'pure' intent and love connection between mother and son in this instance of the 'channeling' allows a relatively unobfuscated transmission from emitter to receiver, the latter becoming a 'love filter', little encumbered by exterior world-related motivations and agendas.

The Council of Thuban so recommends the Matthew-Hatonn channelings as being in significant attunement to the datastream provided by Thuban.

I have highlighted the parts of this message, which are most aligned to the archives of the cosmic dragons.

The labels: 19, 21, 23-30 are especially supported by the Thuban agenda.

AA


Matthew's Message - Feb 2010
1. This is Matthew with loving greetings from all souls at this station. As Earth’s ever-accelerating ascension pace takes her into progressively lighter energy planes, we see more and more hearts and minds opening to the light even as turmoil continues. Unwilling to accept that their efforts will end in utter futility, those with negativity at their core still are fighting tenaciously to keep their dwindling strength from disappearing entirely.

2. We see the widespread grief, confusion and massive destruction in Haiti, and we weep. Not for the tens of thousands who died, as those who need special care are receiving personalised attention from dedicated souls in Nirvana, and others are joyful about returning to that wondrous spirit world. No, our sadness is for the millions whose lives are even more desperate now, far worse than their family elders who have endured the pain of impoverishment for many decades. Knowing their soul contracts does not render us immune to sadness about the personal tragedies still unfolding for our brothers and sisters in Haiti, where the starkest evidence of the best and the worst in humankind exemplifies the extremes of duality.

3. The earthquake was not of Mother Nature’s making. It was the intentional work of those among you who have the technology to create such catastrophic planetary upheavals. In this case, it was to cover an attempt to move through Haiti a vast fortune from its discovered hiding place to a secret destination. If there can be a sliver of a silver lining in that diabolical act, it is that no longer is the truth hidden about weather control technology and its wicked uses—the information is on your Internet for all to see. The use of this kind of “weapon of mass destruction” cannot be prevented, and once set in motion, only softening, or levelling out, steps can be taken. As devastating as the earthquake was, without our space family’s intervention that lessened the impact on Port-au-Prince, the death toll and destruction would have been even greater.

4. The best in humankind was the instantaneous compassion throughout your world and the outpouring of assistance. This is creating light to help rid Haiti’s soil, water and air of the negativity that caused it to become the poorest of countries. Despotic dictators who lived in opulence denied their countrymen even basic living standards, thus consigning them to debilitating diseases and virtually no healthcare, educational opportunity or source of liveable income. Loans that could have alleviated those conditions and the suffering they caused instead went into the pockets of the dictators, and the peoples felt helpless to improve their lives or their children’s. When those decades of fear and oppression ended a few short years ago, the country was beset with political turmoil, and soon the Haitians’ hopes of betterment were dashed.

5. The souls who chose to embody in those harsh circumstances known of Haiti did so willingly to balance other lifetimes so they could evolve spiritually, the goal of every soul. Many who recently transitioned to spirit life had fulfilled their soul contract choices to complete third density experiencing, and in time they will reincarnate in a fourth density world of their choice. Those who died before completing their soul contracts have the same opportunities to do this in Nirvana, where they have help in accomplishing their karmic lessons and prepare to evolve out of third density.

6. In all instances, these souls are serving their families and friends in two ways: Their leaving reduced the amount of negativity caused by their former wretched living conditions and also prevented the negativity that living in even worse circumstances would have generated; and those souls are beaming light from their spirit home to all on Earth with whom they are bonded in love, and to Earth herself.

7. A positive aspect of the quake and the tremors that followed is that even with “softened” destructive capability, they released a mammoth amount of negativity from this small half-island nation. That reduction in negativity will allow the beaming-in and anchoring of light to facilitate the Haitian peoples in rebuilding their lives and their country.

8. Despite everything they have experienced in the past weeks—grief, injuries, traumatised psyches and desperate circumstances they still are encountering—a resilient spirit still shines brightly. With medical teams and other helpers from many nations coming to their aid, albeit insufficient to relieve much of the suffering or supply all basic needs, the peoples of Haiti know the world has not forgotten them. The light in their new-found hope added to the light of all who are helping—whether directly by their side or prayers or donations from around the world—is far greater than the negativity of combined grief and trauma.

9. The darkest of hearts that created the earthquake have no light except the spark of viability, the life force that is every soul’s eternal connection to God and Creator Source. Their conscience has atrophied from lack of use, and now that their corruption and unfathomable fortunes are being uncovered, they commit heinous deeds to hold onto what they feel is their rightful power and possessions. The dark-hearted ones cause massive harm to produce fear and agony because the energy of those emotions refuels them. We and other messengers of the light have urged you to send light to those perpetrators of unconscionable acts because only light can heal their damaged souls and thus change their deeds. You can send them light by imagining yourselves holding a candle or a flash light to guide a lost soul onto an illumined pathway.

10. Messengers of the light have told you about those who act in darkness so as to help you break any hold they may have in your lives and beliefs, and the same information will be revealed to the public to serve in that same way. As those truths come forth incrementally, please help others understand that they need not condone any action that causes atrocities and agony, but the light in forgiveness will serve all of you far, far better than the negativity of demanding punishment for the perpetrators. A part of third density mentality is the refusal to forgive individuals who are considered “evil,” and it isn’t consciously known that as equal parts of God, every soul in this universe is eternally interconnected with all others, or that the darkness in any one dims the collective light in the “universal heart,” or that one’s own light is dimmed by judgement and condemnation of those who are bereft of light.

11. Individuals acting with dark intent don’t remember that when Earth life ends, every soul will have to review every minute of it—not only watching everything they did throughout the lifetime, but feeling every emotion exactly as it was felt by every person whose life they touched in any way. The next lifetime of those ones who are lost in darkness will be a hell of their own creation—a punishment, if you will, that is far more severe than any you could ever conceive—and until they accept the light constantly beamed into those dense placements where their lifetime energy output consigned them, there they will remain.

12. We ask that you please keep in mind what is in store for those lost souls as we address other issues in which you have expressed interest. Yes, the recent snowstorms in the eastern parts of the United States are another incidence of man-made technology used for self-serving purposes. Virtually closing down the US government was the main intent because so doing also impacts many other countries. The snowstorms— just like the clumsy “Black Ops” attempt on Christmas Day to explode an airplane by means of a very confused individual operating under mind control, then the devastation in Haiti—are intended to disrupt actions under way to remove the Illuminati’s tentacles on untold wealth and their toehold on the global economy.

13. Previous messages have identified many disparate groups under the Illuminati “umbrella,” the pyramid organisational structure that keeps lower ranking members uninformed about the intentions of those at the peak, and the powerful global network that for centuries has controlled everything that influences life on your planet. We know of the opinions that US President Obama is leading his country in the wrong direction, and we tell you that if only you could know how prudently and wisely he is moving behind the scenes to upset the entire Illuminati apple cart, instead of concerns about his direction, there would be rousing cheers.

14. The larger purpose to be served by assuring you that Obama’s intentions are aligned with the light is of utmost importance. The energy of negative thoughts about his leadership and all other situations anywhere on Earth that are seen as worrisome is flowing out into your world and delaying effective resolutions to tumultuous happenings everywhere. It is the energy of love-light that motivates the spirit of cooperation among peoples and brings an end to conflicts, violence, deception and unjustness. Some of you say, “We are the ones we have been waiting for.” YES! The truth in that expression of personal responsibility derives from soul-level awareness that you chose this lifetime specifically to help speed Earth along her ascension pathway.

15. So the individuals who propose that a collective will to make your world a better place will achieve that without extraterrestrial help do make a good point—absolutely you must act, must set the pace toward world transformation, because it is your world. But those individuals are way off track by not acknowledging that without many other civilisations’ immeasurable help that started about seventy years ago, none of you would be where you are because the planet would have died. And we assure you, your space family’s continued help will be welcomed by all except the ones who are fighting mightily to prevent reforms anywhere.

16. We can tell you what is fomenting behind the scenes regarding the truth about the global economy, but because Earth’s energy field of potential is in such wild commotion, we cannot discern what information will emerge first or the order in which other facts will follow. We can say, though, that it cannot be much longer before the “first spill” because all the corruption must be exposed so it can be eliminated and an honourable system implemented. It is possible that the end of the Federal Reserve in its present form will be the first public “news,” and it seems likely that close on its heels will be a new and much fairer system of taxation. The disclosure that the United States’ unmanageable debt is due to the owners of the Federal Reserve banks very likely will include that the system was slyly established a century ago along with a corporate structure that fundamentally has kept the country under England’s dictate. However, because United States’ chaotic economy was the first domino to fall, so to say, and the line of dominoes around the globe swiftly followed, the long history of corruption within all major banking and lending institutions worldwide could be disclosed first. Somewhere along the way will emerge the Bush and Clinton families’ involvement with the Rockefeller Illuminati faction that helped to mortally bleed the coffers of the United States. Did you think it rather ironic that both of those former US presidents rushed to show their keen interest in what was going on in Haiti?

17. Regardless of the order in which that information becomes public, it appears that delaying the televised acknowledgement of extraterrestrial civilisations’ presence until after current upheavals settle down is unavoidable. An announcement of such extremely critical and sensitive nature requires the intricate planning that Hatonn explained [November 19, 2009], and due to the serious matters that have required focused attention and disrupted program planning sessions, final decisions have yet to be made by participating countries’ representatives. Much to the distress of the ones who caused the disruptions via their strategic upheavals, the announcement program will only be postponed, not cancelled as they intended.

18. An issue of great importance being considered by light-filled leaders is: How much shocking information can people assimilate before it starts wreaking havoc within the collective consciousness? You will greet each revelation with rejoicing, knowing that it is a step closer to world transformation and Earth’s Golden Age. But ignorance of that and many other truths—like the various kinds of mind control to “dumb down” your brain functions, and the vast underground laboratories and living accommodations for the “Little Grays” that are funded by the Illuminati’s illegal drug industry—is the lot of most people. Many may indeed be living in honourable ways, but they are asleep insofar as heightened consciousness and spiritual awakening, and those cannot come to traumatised psyches. So truths of startling nature must be an unfolding to the populace, not a bombardment.

19. We must tell you that it is with mixed feelings that we address these issues of most interest as indicated in emails sent to my mother. We do want to dispel the negativity generated by your concerns about information you have heard or read, but we do not want to sabotage one of the primary aims of these messages: That you learn to communicate with your soul-self; ask questions and be still and listen to the answers that come intuitively. Because hearing and heeding the messages from your soul to your consciousness is an essential step in soul evolution and the purpose of our messages is to offer enlightenment and guidance to assist you in evolving, once again we urge you: Seek answers within!

20. Furthermore, even truthful information from external sources can err in omission of some facts, thereby unintentionally conveying incomplete data that readers can assume is the entire story. Let me cite an example that in the Tapestry of Life is insignificant, but still I gave a flawed bit of information. With thanks to all who wrote about the medicinal effects of marijuana, I see the error in my reply [in the January 11, 2010 message] to readers who asked if certain enjoyments, including “social drugs,” could delay spiritual evolution or prevent physical ascension with Earth. In my “Yes” answer, I was thinking of heroin, cocaine and the assortment of synthetic drugs that cause adverse effects on body, mind and spirit. Marijuana does indeed offer medical benefits, and there are no damaging effects from its moderate use in a social setting. Legal consequences, yes, so I surely am not encouraging its use without medical prescription! I am simply stating that with the sensible use I mentioned, marijuana is not among the drugs that form a barrier between the consciousness and the soul and prevent the absorption of light.

21. Now then, animals becoming vegetarians will be a process of their choosing that kind of diet because it is more appealing, just as it will be for Earth’s human residents. As the light intensifies in all bodies at cellular level, humans and animals alike naturally will choose foods that have light properties, and severed animal flesh does not. Without the current food chain, animals will not overcrowd the planet; instead, they instinctively will reproduce more slowly or not at all. There absolutely is no “condemnation by God” for eating meat and seafood, but expressing gratitude for the animals that provide these foods is most appropriate. A strong immune system is the best defense against harmful substances in processed foods and seasoning's, meat from animals injected with steroids, seafood contaminated with mercury or other toxins, and genetically altered foods; and the energy of light is the ultimate strengtheners of immune systems.

22. We don’t know if a moratorium on all existing debt will be a blanket provision of the planned restructuring of the global economy, but it seems likely during the transition from the old systems to the new. What we do know is that debts incurred by countries due to loans at usurious rates of interest from the International Monetary Fund—money that went to those countries’ greedy leaders in exchange for Illuminati control of natural resources—will be forgiven, and it appears that adjustments in individuals’ debts will be in accordance with circumstances that caused the debts. The purpose of economic restructuring is to fairly distribute the wealth of your world so that no one lives in the poverty that enables others to live in luxury. And the idea that when the Illuminati’s illegal fortunes are recovered, a million or more dollars will be given to every person on the planet is pure fantasy. In Earth’s Golden Age, the trend will be away from money and toward systems of sharing and bartering—the light intensity in souls will let those means of remuneration for services and conduct of commerce become as satisfying between nations as between individuals.

23. No asteroids or comets are being aimed at Earth by powerful malevolent aliens. Even if this were the case, you are surrounded by thousands of spaceships and millions of light beings with the technology to steer away any celestial body that could collide with your planet. Another rumour to create fear, that “Planet X” is on a collision course with Earth, also is a falsehood.

24. What is your sun doing? It is responding to the rapid changes going on throughout your solar system. If your astrophysicists were aware of Earth’s ascension through the “universal time window,” they would know that stepped-up solar activity is a natural effect and that Sol poses no danger to your planet.

25. No civilisations will enter a stargate to take control and keep you from destroying your planet. Let us speak more of stargates, the various views about their purpose: Portals opened in antiquity by civilisations who came to Gaia; openings that motherships can pass through; areas where spacecraft crews observe happenings on the planet; channels through which our space family’s technology operates successfully; safety zones for “walk-ins” from other civilisations to enter; energy vortexes through which light from far distant sources is beamed to raise the vibrations of lands or seas dense with negativity; locations of intensified light that help to anchor light on the planet. There is some validity in each of those views, and we also see stargates as parts of the protective light grid surrounding your planet that serve like beacons for the souls in free spirit and astral travellers between Earth and Nirvana.

26. There will be no “jumping over 4th density and entering 5th”—the laws of the universe simply do not operate like that, and neither does the evolution of any soul. However, the time between Earth beginning ascension out of deep third density and reaching her destination in fifth will be universally unprecedented in its speed. The enormous energetic differences between third and fourth density make that trip unimaginably difficult, and overcoming the darkness that pervades a third density world can take aeons.

27. It will not happen on December 21, 2012 or any other date that you will be standing beside two others and before your very eyes, they will disappear into their own “timelines.” Even the usual date of December 31, 2012, will be much like the previous and the following days—that is, except for New Year’s Eve celebrations. The differences between life in this moment and in the Golden Age will be amazing and magnificent, but life will not differ dramatically from one day to the next as Earth continues on her journey through fourth density and on into fifth.

28. Understandably, there is a great deal of speculation about what will happen to whom at the end of 2012. There is no definitive answer because what happens to each soul will be in accordance with the uniqueness of each soul. However, we can say with certainty that the theory of a celestial body appearing as a “second Earth” and becoming the third density home for souls who do not physically accompany the “first Earth” into fourth density is erroneous. You are a soul in a human body. Earth is a soul in a planetary body. Her soul remained in its fifth density origin while her body spiralled into deep third density during the millennia that her human residents were shedding each others’ blood, mass-slaughtering her animals and severely damaging her body. She could have chosen to let her assaulted body die, but instead she chose to have its health restored so all of her residents in their myriad life forms could continue. Moreover the “two Earths” theory accommodates only the people whose lifetime choices would place them in a different third density world. There will be souls whose lifetime choices automatically will take them to first or second density placements; and at the other end of the spectrum are the souls who came from fourth, fifth and higher density worlds specifically to assist Earth in her ascension—when their mission is completed, they will return to their homelands.

29. It also is understandable that reincarnation can be an enigma. We know of your thoughts such as “In another life she was Joan of Arc” or “He was Abraham Lincoln in his last lifetime.” Persons who have the same wisdom, ideals and courage—or maybe the same skills and talents and personality traits—known of greatly respected, admired and loved individuals who lived many years ago in linear time, may be personages, or soul parts, of the cumulative soul that includes those others. The person with whom you “endow” a specific other lifetime may be deeply inspired by that same individual and emulate the qualities that made him or her great, or the person’s high aspirations may attract the powerful energy of souls you call “masters.” A family member may have chosen attributes very similar to those of a “departed” member. Perhaps because of shared lifetimes in the timelessness of the continuum, any person may seem remarkably like someone who lived long ago in your linear time. There are numerous sources of unseen and usually unrecognised influences in every life, but every one of you is and forever shall be an independent, inviolate, invaluable and unique soul even as you are an equally loved, integral part of the Oneness of All.

30. Beings of light throughout this universe are cheering you on during this time of transition into the Golden Age. Keep foremost in your vision the glories of that world that already IS and awaits your arrival!

G

[hippihillbobbi]

Dear Abraxas --

Thanks SO much for citing some of the Matthew-Hatton channelings here -- so good to know that, in-the-main, these are consistent with Thuban thought, cause they definitely resonate with me! in case anyone would like a link .... here's one:

http://www.matthewbooks.com/


the following part of this citation did provoke a fairly strong reaction within me, AA, so i'm inviting you to comment on it also. (emphasis added)

9. "The darkest of hearts that created the earthquake have no light except the spark of viability, the life force that is every soul’s eternal connection to God and Creator Source. Their conscience has atrophied from lack of use, and now that their corruption and unfathomable fortunes are being uncovered, they commit heinous deeds to hold onto what they feel is their rightful power and possessions. The dark-hearted ones cause massive harm to produce fear and agony because the energy of those emotions refuels them. We and other messengers of the light have urged you to send light to those perpetrators of unconscionable acts because only light can heal their damaged souls and thus change their deeds. You can send them light by imagining yourselves holding a candle or a flash light to guide a lost soul onto an illumined pathway."

10. "Messengers of the light have told you about those who act in darkness so as to help you break any hold they may have in your lives and beliefs, and the same information will be revealed to the public to serve in that same way. As those truths come forth incrementally, please help others understand that they need not condone any action that causes atrocities and agony, but the light in forgiveness will serve all of you far, far better than the negativity of demanding punishment for the perpetrators. A part of third density mentality is the refusal to forgive individuals who are considered “evil,” and it isn’t consciously known that as equal parts of God, every soul in this universe is eternally interconnected with all others, or that the darkness in any one dims the collective light in the “universal heart,” or that one’s own light is dimmed by judgement and condemnation of those who are bereft of light."

11. "Individuals acting with dark intent don’t remember that when Earth life ends, every soul will have to review every minute of it—not only watching everything they did throughout the lifetime, but feeling every emotion exactly as it was felt by every person whose life they touched in any way. The next lifetime of those ones who are lost in darkness will be a hell of their own creation—a punishment, if you will, that is far more severe than any you could ever conceive—and until they accept the light constantly beamed into those dense placements where their lifetime energy output consigned them, there they will remain."

12. "We ask that you please keep in mind what is in store for those lost souls......"

This certainly Rings True with anyone who has "Heard" the Words of Yeshua like, " you must forgive 70 Times 7" (i.e., to Infinity) or "love those who hate you; do good to those who hurt you." etc. & etc.

of course, imo this is MUCH easier said than done! but remembering how interconnected we are, our essential Oneness, can help us realize that we are actually being called to forgive our own selves. (though i know that may be harder for some of us than others).

As ever, Abraxas, I appreciate all you do for us here -- at PC/PA and Beyond --to the "ends of the Planet" solar system? universe?? cosmos?!?! :wub2: :original:

hippihillbobbi

[abraxasinas]

Dear Abraxas --

Thanks SO much for citing some of the Matthew-Hatton channelings here -- so good to know that, in-the-main, these are consistent with Thuban thought, cause they definitely resonate with me! in case anyone would like a link .... here's one:

http://www.matthewbooks.com/


the following part of this citation did provoke a fairly strong reaction within me, AA, so i'm inviting you to comment on it also. (emphasis added)

9. "The darkest of hearts that created the earthquake have no light except the spark of viability, the life force that is every soul’s eternal connection to God and Creator Source. Their conscience has atrophied from lack of use, and now that their corruption and unfathomable fortunes are being uncovered, they commit heinous deeds to hold onto what they feel is their rightful power and possessions. The dark-hearted ones cause massive harm to produce fear and agony because the energy of those emotions refuels them. We and other messengers of the light have urged you to send light to those perpetrators of unconscionable acts because only light can heal their damaged souls and thus change their deeds. You can send them light by imagining yourselves holding a candle or a flash light to guide a lost soul onto an illumined pathway."

10. "Messengers of the light have told you about those who act in darkness so as to help you break any hold they may have in your lives and beliefs, and the same information will be revealed to the public to serve in that same way. As those truths come forth incrementally, please help others understand that they need not condone any action that causes atrocities and agony, but the light in forgiveness will serve all of you far, far better than the negativity of demanding punishment for the perpetrators. A part of third density mentality is the refusal to forgive individuals who are considered “evil,” and it isn’t consciously known that as equal parts of God, every soul in this universe is eternally interconnected with all others, or that the darkness in any one dims the collective light in the “universal heart,” or that one’s own light is dimmed by judgement and condemnation of those who are bereft of light."

11. "Individuals acting with dark intent don’t remember that when Earth life ends, every soul will have to review every minute of it—not only watching everything they did throughout the lifetime, but feeling every emotion exactly as it was felt by every person whose life they touched in any way. The next lifetime of those ones who are lost in darkness will be a hell of their own creation—a punishment, if you will, that is far more severe than any you could ever conceive—and until they accept the light constantly beamed into those dense placements where their lifetime energy output consigned them, there they will remain."

12. "We ask that you please keep in mind what is in store for those lost souls......"

This certainly Rings True with anyone who has "Heard" the Words of Yeshua like, " you must forgive 70 Times 7" (i.e., to Infinity) or "love those who hate you; do good to those who hurt you." etc. & etc.

of course, imo this is MUCH easier said than done! but remembering how interconnected we are, our essential Oneness, can help us realize that we are actually being called to forgive our own selves. (though i know that may be harder for some of us than others).

As ever, Abraxas, I appreciate all you do for us here -- at PC/PA and Beyond --to the "ends of the Planet" solar system? universe?? cosmos?!?! :wub2: :original:

hippihillbobbi

Dear hillibill!

The above highlighted sentiments are relevant in a general sense; just as Yeshuah's two laws are relevant to superpose the older mosaic 'commandments'.

In themselves, the 'love thy god with all thy heart, soul, mind and body' and 'love thy neighbour as thyself' statemens are however almost meaningless in application EXCEPT their inner meanings are understood.

So to decode those laws, one should realise that one's neighbour and source is the MIRROR of spacetime, i.e. existence and beingness and LIFE itself.

Having such a foundation, the messages of Matthew, say that 'he' is part of the darkness and the light in unity and oneness, will become much more meaningful, than a 'sending of love and light' to the 'evil ones in the dark places'.

Iow, couple your highlighted sentiments to Matthew's understanding of SHARING both the emitting sender of the 'love and light' as well as the recepient thereof and you will enhance your inner knowledge of why Prime Source is BOTH, source of all evil and darkness AND source of all good and light.

This is exemplified in Dead Sea Scroll 4Q392 and in Isaiah.45.7:


4Q392:
"[...] and dominions [...][...] a man [...] God and not to turn aside from [...] and in His covenant your soul shall cling and [...] words of His mouth [...] and God [...] heaven above and to search out the ways of the sons of man, they have no hiding place. He created darkness and light for Himself, but in His dwelling place is the light of their light and all darkness rests before Him as well. He has no need to distinguish between light and darkness, but for the sons of man He distinguishes them as the light of day, with the sun, and night, with the moon and stars. He has a light which cannot be searched out, nor can its end be known. For all the works of God are doubled in this manner. We are flesh, which does not totally grasp these things. With us for [...] for a sign and wonders without number. [...] winds and lightning [...] servants of the holy of holies. They are as couches before him [...]." - translated by Martin G. Abegg, Jr.

Isaiah:45.7:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."


The purpose for this is CONTEXT. The suffering creation must create a focus point to PROCESS the UNIVERSAL POTENTIAL of the suffering, the ignorance and so forth - this focus has always been the planet Gaia. After the PROCESSING, a New Earth AND A NEW UNIVERSE CAN be born as a Phoenix from its own ashes of the rebirth aka resurrection.

AA

[Malletzky]

Dear hillibill!

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Having such a foundation, the messages of Matthew, say that 'he' is part of the darkness and the light in unity and oneness, will become much more meaningful, than a 'sending of love and light' to the 'evil ones in the dark places'.

Iow, couple your highlighted sentiments to Matthew's understanding of SHARING both the emitting sender of the 'love and light' as well as the recepient thereof and you will enhance your inner knowledge of why Prime Source is BOTH, source of all evil and darkness AND source of all good and light.

This is exemplified in Dead Sea Scroll 4Q392 and in Isaiah.45.7:


4Q392:
"[...] and dominions [...][...] a man [...] God and not to turn aside from [...] and in His covenant your soul shall cling and [...] words of His mouth [...] and God [...] heaven above and to search out the ways of the sons of man, they have no hiding place. He created darkness and light for Himself, but in His dwelling place is the light of their light and all darkness rests before Him as well. He has no need to distinguish between light and darkness, but for the sons of man He distinguishes them as the light of day, with the sun, and night, with the moon and stars. He has a light which cannot be searched out, nor can its end be known. For all the works of God are doubled in this manner. We are flesh, which does not totally grasp these things. With us for [...] for a sign and wonders without number. [...] winds and lightning [...] servants of the holy of holies. They are as couches before him [...]." - translated by Martin G. Abegg, Jr.

Isaiah:45.7:
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."

.......

AA

Hi Abrax, I've allways been fascinated by the very first words of the bible:

1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
1:3 - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 - And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

especially the "let there be light" passage.

I've allways knew, deep in my heart, that the meaning of this very passage is very special, but I somehow felt to "decipher' it. I'm pretty sure that, if we would be able to find out the real meaning of the "dividing the light from the dark", we would be able to find out how the creation "works".

Thanks to your posts on this thread in the last months, I may say that there came some 'light" in my "darknes", but I'm definitely still missing the core and the deepest meaning of these passages.

Would you be able to throw some 'light' here? May I assume that the above mentioned passages are really important? And how? Is it about creating duality and separatedness in order to understand the whole?

Sorry if you've eventually described this here before, but I seem to have missed this one so far.

thanks again, with much respect
malletzky

[soapcrates]

Jonah,

you are YOU - since the beginning of this creation you have been you an to the end of this creation you will go still being you. Your essence is your own - inviolable and un-breakable - it is sacred and no one and no thing is going to invade or control you ever - unless you invite it and allow it - that is the thing with free will - if you are dumb or trusting enough to listen to some sky pilot who talks utter drivel he has misunderstood and misquoted in the desperate scramble for recognition not gained elsewhere then you are in danger of submitting to something invasive that has neither the right nor the poer to invade anything uninvited.

ALL that you are compelled to do is what you compel yourself to - which is to live, to learn and to evolve. you already contain the essence of everything you will ever be - pure, unique and beautiful- self contained and requiring nothing from anyone or anything else.

your spirit is pure and inviolate the essence of the one spirit pure and perfect. both it and your higher self know exactly what to do and when to do it. the best place for you to get your answers is within - the are there waiting for you. that quiet - voice more felt than heard in the heart f your being can teach you more in a moment than mr wonko the sane - master of the umpty tird secret loofah society of planet loon in the thirty third level of the backward dimension for addicted attention seekers and failed fortune cookie writers.
Strongly suggest that you find someone saner to talk to - this kind of parasitic imitation teaching is dangerously unhealthy!

:lmao::lmao::lmao::mad3::lmfao::nono::thumbdown::r oll1:


Abraxas,

You wrote:

"When the evolutionary thresholds would be attained the ET-intelligences would incarnate physically into the Human and StarHuman templates to manifest their individuated microcosms in the destined macrocosmic super-blueprint of the StarHumanity."


Are we to be vessels then for these ET intelligences, or can we be our own star human?...
I like myself the way I am... But to believe that I am being controlled from the 12 dimension... and am in the process of allowing an Intelligence that is not my own to incarnate in to my star human self... not sure if I am understanding this part quiet right...

Also this hybrid form... does it come with physical changes?
Can you elaborate on them if any?

How would this template reproduce?

[Jonah]

soapcrates,

I was planning to only have one drink tonight... hrmm :drinks_wine:

This kind of... how did you put it... parasitic imitation teaching...(wow, that just sounds down right nasty:naughty:) took many years to develope...:lmao:

probably ever since i started reading comic books as a kid... then found frank herbert's Dune novels... That pretty much did it for me...

You see Mr. Soapcrates... in case you haven't noticed... this forum has had it's fair share of interesting writers...

People.. who have for some reason or another chose to put their thoughts down into "forum".....

Some thoughts that can been proven unaquevically... others are but waiting to shed light to those who can SEE...


Thank you for your kind words Soapcrates,
they say that you are trying to be helpful, but the intention behind them I feel is to discredit Mr. Abrax

I've always thought my dreams were more "real" than my waking life could ever be.... Sorry if this isn't true for you...

To the awesome writers that have been on this forum I say many thanks...just to name a few

James Casbolt
Richard T
777theGreatWork
Abraxasinas

Some people just have no imagination any more :tongue2:





Jonah,

you are YOU - since the beginning of this creation you have been you an to the end of this creation you will go still being you. Your essence is your own - inviolable and un-breakable - it is sacred and no one and no thing is going to invade or control you ever - unless you invite it and allow it - that is the thing with free will - if you are dumb or trusting enough to listen to some sky pilot who talks utter drivel he has misunderstood and misquoted in the desperate scramble for recognition not gained elsewhere then you are in danger of submitting to something invasive that has neither the right nor the poer to invade anything uninvited.

ALL that you are compelled to do is what you compel yourself to - which is to live, to learn and to evolve. you already contain the essence of everything you will ever be - pure, unique and beautiful- self contained and requiring nothing from anyone or anything else.

your spirit is pure and inviolate the essence of the one spirit pure and perfect. both it and your higher self know exactly what to do and when to do it. the best place for you to get your answers is within - the are there waiting for you. that quiet - voice more felt than heard in the heart f your being can teach you more in a moment than mr wonko the sane - master of the umpty tird secret loofah society of planet loon in the thirty third level of the backward dimension for addicted attention seekers and failed fortune cookie writers.
Strongly suggest that you find someone saner to talk to - this kind of parasitic imitation teaching is dangerously unhealthy!

:lmao::lmao::lmao::mad3::lmfao::nono::thumbdown::r oll1:

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abrax, I've allways been fascinated by the very first words of the bible:

1:1 - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
1:2 - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
1:3 - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
1:4 - And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

especially the "let there be light" passage.

I've allways knew, deep in my heart, that the meaning of this very passage is very special, but I somehow felt to "decipher' it. I'm pretty sure that, if we would be able to find out the real meaning of the "dividing the light from the dark", we would be able to find out how the creation "works".

Thanks to your posts on this thread in the last months, I may say that there came some 'light" in my "darknes", but I'm definitely still missing the core and the deepest meaning of these passages.

Would you be able to throw some 'light' here? May I assume that the above mentioned passages are really important? And how? Is it about creating duality and separatedness in order to understand the whole?

Sorry if you've eventually described this here before, but I seem to have missed this one so far.

thanks again, with much respect
malletzky

Hi Malletzky!

This question is the bugbear, not only for all of science, but also for all religion.

Science 'stumbles' in material regression at the 'singularity', where the infinite meets and becomes the void and religion postulates supernatural precursors as somehow deriving from this 'natural emptiness or void'.
In the beginning there was no space or time, so how then can there be a beginning?

This beginning is like an uncut circle or loop, whose alpha-omega point remains undefined until the circle is cut (linearisation from circularisation technically).

But the concept of the possibility of the 'cutting' infers a logistic ordering of before (the cutting) and after the cutting. This is absolutely independent of space or time (which are connected by the lightpath X=cT anyway).

But even the visualisation and concept of a circle requires space and so the 'Circle of the Void' cannot be geometrically dimensional in the common usage of the terminology.

Rather the principle of the Order substitutes for Space and the antiprinciple of Disorder/Chaos substitutes for the Nonspace.

So now you have reduced the cosmogenesis to the precept of how the space emerges from the nonspace. The key is in what (can) exist before the order principle. It is expansion/contraction and so say addition/subtraction.

The Order evolves from the possibility of the duality of the plus/minus (in core archetypes, later becoming charges, yin/yang wave particle and so on).

Then is there something more fundamental then the Expansion/Contraction 'Aeon' or Cherubimic Kingdom or Principality?

Yes there is: Identity/Antiidentity - defining the + to be the antiID of the - and vice versa (again in core archetype).

So you have a preBigBang prespacertimematter cosmology resting on 1-2-3 as Identity-Expansion-Order.

[The actual cosmogenesis is a monadic archetype (o+o=8 say) bifurcating into the binary archetype dyad {0,1} in an algorithmic selfprogramming of sorts].

Next comes the 'Invention' of Time as a Counting-Parameter and physically the inverse time as FREQUENCY.

The story continues in technical detail, but can also become expressed in 'scriptural-mythological' metaphor.

Definition:

Forethought=Event A in Order as Before and Afterthought=Event B in Order as After Event A has occurred.

Event A is happening in the subplenum of the Void=Infinity and Event B becomes the MATERIALISATION (primarily via a physical cosmology based on the frequency parameter as inverse time) of the Event A.

Also note the highly significant passage in Genesis.2.5:
"And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground."

Can you see here the solution to the chicken-egg or DNA-RNA paradox - in the Rooster's Egg preceding the Hen's?

So what happened to the Adam in Genesis.1.27?

This Man (presumed to be Adam) is not the same Adam and they are simply the archetypes for Man and Woman BEFORE there was any physical creation.
This is also the Pigeradamus in the gnostic literature, the Adam Kadmon of Kabbalah, the Purusha in the Vedas and the Vitruvian Man of western alchemy (Leonardo da Vinci).

This is the 'Lovechild' of 'The Invisible One' as the Forethought and of Barbelo as the Afterthought.

This is the Logos known as 'Christos' or the Word in John.1.1. AND it is also YOU as the afterthought expressing the forethought.

John Shadow

Next the the 'firmament' and the 'light' are defined in the below (especially #4), the 'firmament' being of course the 'divide' between the plenum of the physicalised emergent universe and the subplenum of the metaphysical (archetyped) universe.
In a sense the REALITY of God becomes dualised in the UNREALITY of the material universe RELATIVE to the 'imaginary' Creator and corollarily, the Self-Reality of the physical universe inhabitant can only be ascertained in rendering the Creator as Unreal or Imaginary (of course defining the skeptic/atheist position rather validly).
This is like you inside a bubble looking at the inside of the bubble surface - the outside (surface) of this bubble being in a 3D sense unfathomable and unreal to you as an inside observer.
The 'masterplan' then postulates an eventual 'piercing' of this doublesided manifold (inside+outside) in the allowance of rendering the twosidedness onesided and doubled (Moebius Strip).
This is then labeled as the 'Homecoming' of Gaia or the Second Coming of the Cosmic Christ in Manyness.



1. God's Power-Source
God's Power-Source is a form of 'eternal energy', yet 'unitarily particularised' not definable in any spacetime except in its mathematical formalism.
This mathematical logos so specifies what this concept of 'eternity' relative to its antistate of temporality implies. Those specifications then must also DEFINE the omniness of anything in relation to the God-concept.
In its most simple terms; the 'eternal energy' becomes a 'physicalisable' energy residing not in spacetimematter, but in a subplenum.
The subplenum is nontemporal, nonlocal and nonmaterial; but is defined in the mathematical principles and rules attaining to numerical systems, all based upon the binary code both algebraically and geometrically.
The geometric form of the 'Closed' Zero-Loop becomes physicalised in the 'Open' One-Loop or the Superstring and which then leads definition of a binary numeracy rootextended into the decimal in the archetypical set:
Binary-Monad BM: {0,1} → Decimal-Monad DM: {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}.

The subplenum so becomes a 2-dimensional Complex plane, with origin the Unity of the Binary-Monad BM, i.e. the eigenstate of either open-ended or closed superstring loops.
It is this UNITY within the subplenum (as itself and as a prior definition for 'God'), which then allows the nonphysicalised nature of God to define itself without the existence of space, time and/or matter.
This nonphysicality then utilizes the UNITY of ITSELF to extend its own self-definition by application of fundamental principles (see hierarchy of God in 9.).
In particular, the 6th principle of inversion allows the algebraic concept of the ratio to assume limiting functionalities (say in convergent and divergent asymptotic series and number sequences). This then allows boundary- and initial conditions for a subsequent physical reality to become established in the 'complex manifold' of the subplenum.
Division of the Unity=1 AS the Open-Geometric-Superstring by the Zero=0 AS the Closed-Geometric-Superstring so applies the Principle of Inversion WITHIN the Decimal-Monad hierarchy and DEFINES the quantum relativity between the subplenum and itself as a plenum comprised of the UNITY eigenstate.

The Unified Power-Source so is a God-Quantum which has UNLIMITED energy in the subplenum, because the 'Counting' of such subplenum units represents a 'Wholey Trinity' in being simultaneously Unity=FinityAfter=1 and Zero=FinityBefore=0 and Eternity=Infinity=∞

God's Power-Source represents an Infinite Reservoir of SourceSink Subplenum 'IMAGINATION-Energy'; defined in the UNITY-God-Quantum and in an 'IMAGE-Energy', which becomes manifested in finite partiality in selfcontained closed systems, such as a Planck-Black Body-Radiator defining the entropy-related thermodynamic expansion (and cooling) of a physically finitised universe.

2. God's Operating System (OS) and Processor
God's OS is then the plenum of a physically imaged universe.
The eternity of God becomes 'trapped' in the asymptotic definitions of the 'Laws of Nature', which are all based on the algorithmic nature of the string monadic sets, which, under utility of the hierarchical principalities, allow mathematical relationships and proportionalities to become defined in abstract terms of the complex unity of the subplenum, before becoming IMAGED in the physicality of the finite spacetimematter, termed the universe's cosmogony and cosmology.

3. God's Output-Input Function
God's Input is naturally the UNIT of itself as the God-Quantum.
Iow, the quantization of the physicalised universe becomes a holofractal multiplication or quanta count of God itself. The universe, being a 'count' of God-Units so differentiates itself as the plenum of 'Finity of Measurement' from the subplenum of 'Infinity of Nonmensuration'.
Alternatively expressed, the metric spacetimes within a selfcontained thermodynamic system, subject to statistical integration of multidimensional and multifaceted energy eigenstates; become nonstochastic in the Unity energy selfstate of the subplenum.
The plenum so becomes a mirror image in the subplenum; remaining however as a finitized subset of the infinite superset as that image.

God's primary Input so becomes a finitised and countable quantum energy integral definitive for the total energy content of the so termed Quantum Big Bang. The precise quantum count is a function of the inflaton-instanton, defining the 11-dimensional supermembrane boundary (itself a quantum count as a surface area integration) to encompass the thermodynamically expanding 'Planck-Nugget-Seed', which is one dimension lower to allow a hybrid toroidal overall topology for the multidimensional universe, originating from a protoversal seed.

God's secondary Input is however a function of the PROCESSING capabilities of the primary Input becoming Output and subsequent Inputs multiply the protoversal seed as phaseshifted multiverses as a function of the Output potentials of the protoversed multiverses.

The purpose for the creation from the creator is simply the SIMULTANEOUS Self-Experience of God in the distinctions of the subplenum of oneness and the plenum of spacetime separations.
To EXPERIENCE ITSELF, God must bifurcate (and then holographically multifractalize) its own Unity.
The function of the Input is to experience 'on God's behalf' in the 'Kingdom of the Separation', namely the physical universe; and then to IMAGE in IMAGINATION and LOGISTICAL MODELS and FORMALISMS and otherwise 'as a processed Output' becoming the 'reflected' Input; reemitted from the plenum of the spacetimematter into the suplenum of the 'singularity'.

The PROCESSORS from and for God so become the God-Quantums in agglomeration, defining the 'Consciousness' of godlike spacetimematter containers.
God's Consciousness then becomes a particular energy-resonance eigenstate, defined in frequency and related derivatives (see 10.) and specifically in the concept of a 3-dimensional volumar being acted upon by a form of angular acceleration, the latter being by definition independent on the radial displacement of linear metrics and the separation of idealised coordinate 'points'.
The minimised 'consciousness-units' in God's cosmology are neutrons, evolving into hydrogen atoms, followed by molecules and macro-inertia conglomerations including chemical compounds, asteroids, moons, planets, stars and galaxies; viruses, bacteria, algae, fungi, mosquitoes, fish, salamanders, lizards, dinosaurs, birds, smilodons, australopithecines, orang-utans, bonobos, dogs and cats, Stanleys and Samanthas; Sirians, interdimensional extraterrestrials like methaned Venusians and groupgalactic Magellaneans to the SUMTOTAL of the universe's consciousness as the EVOLVING Superconsciousness of God itself.

And so, should you watch an ant crawling in your garden or should you engage in watching some birds of divers variety; you are OBSERVING God-consciousness in self-evolvement.
The Gonsciousness of God within the universe is not only separated from its subplenum unity as the certainty of the unitary probability count; but is also separated in the plenum as plenar subconsciouness carriers in a kaleidoscope of multiplicity and individuation.
But ALL is God, attempting WITHIN to remember what IT is and using its 'scattered' Imagination what it could be and could become.

God's 'Masterplan' so is to multiply 'itself' without end in a 'Family of God'.
Yet, as long as the 'Family of Man' continues to refuse to 'Remember itself' in its 'Function of the Output' and continues to 'not-reflect' its god-given Input-Life back to its source; as long will the UNITIZED God-Source remain in exile relative to itself.

For the IMAGE-Function of God between the plenum and the subplenum and the holographic principle of the Decimal-Monad hierarchy demands a 'Mirror of Mirrors' within the plenum of the cosmological spacetimes.
Just as the One God reflects itself as the One Universe; so must there be A DAM (a sire and a dam) as a 'Universal Archetype' within the plenum to allow 'God's Story' to proceed.

The Image or mastertemplate for the One Universe so becomes 'Cosmic Man Vitruvius' of the hermetic alchemist Leonardo da Vinci or 'Purusha' of the Baghavad Gita or 'Adam Kadmon' of Kabbalah or the particular individuation Malletzky on PA forum discussion forum.
Then as a miniature universe; anything whatsoever and all godlike conciousness carriers within the plenum who Malletzky encounters in whatever manner of dreams, imaginations, physical observations, experimentations and interactions; will be enabled to USE Malletzky's spacetimed mirror potential to REFLECT themselves in that for the purpose to by and through Malletzky's mirror-portal to contact the Unity-Quantum-God in the subplenum.

4. God's Beginning
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."
John.1.1-KJV
The definition for God as Energy so is preceded by something doing the 'defining', namely the Word=Logos=Definition. The undefined, say chaotic or unstructured subplenum energy so emerges in a defined state through the action of the Logos as the 'Logic of God' and being WITH God, becomes God.

The 'Beginning of God', before there is any physicalised energy (manifested in the quantum big bang through the inflaton-instanton), so engages 'God's Self-Awakening', i.e. it's own 'becoming conscious of itself'.
Once self-aware however, the physical cosmology can eventuate in God's bifurcation into 'Spiritual' Creator and 'Antispiritual' Creation and as Mirror-Functions of each other.
The subplenum 'pre-energy' so defines the 'Spirit' in terms of the nonseparated or superheterotic supermembrane prior to the modular duality between the heterosis becomes established.
The 26-dimensional bosonic superstring of the subplenum so defines a circularly mathematical complex continuum from which the vibratory sourcestring Eps decouples from its winded antistate of the winding sinkstring Ess in the plenum to recombine in the 11-dimensional supermembrane EpsEss. Technically, the heterosis engages the conifoldment of 16-dimensional anticlockwise vibration patterns onto 10-dimensional clockwise frequency eigenstates to define 10-dimensional hybrid superstrings.

5. God's End
God's End is God's Beginning as the alphaomega and the recircularisation of the supermembrane loops.
In terms of the subplenum, this defines the circularity of time in the nonexistence of a temporal flow of time with particular pasts, presents and futures. Only a Now-Moment and as the 'uncut' string-loop exists as the 0-binary eigenstate.
Yet, the plenum demands the concept of a 'flow of time' in a coupling to the entropy definitions of the algorithmic definitions underpinning the 'Laws of Nature'.
So the Quantum Big Bang eventuated following a 'string-epoch' and bounded in the inflaton-instanton of timeinstantenuity.
Technically, timeinstantenuity becomes the sinksource frequency fss=1/fps in modular duality becoming the inverse squareroot of the maximum entropy selfstate counter {as [df/dt]max=fps2 =E*/h=e*h see 10.} and as the 'Consciousness-Resonance' Eigenstate as the upper bound for the godlike consciousness carriers.
However, as the protoverse is defined in the inflaton preceding the materialising spacetimes in:
{VdeBroglie=RHubble.fps=c.fps/Ho=cfpsdt/dn}, and since the linearised cosmoevolution of the inertial 10-dimensional protoverse must remain asymptotic as a function of cycletime n=Hot; the End of this cosmology must be defined before its Beginning from parameters defining the eternity of the subplenum.
The End of God so becomes a Cyclicity embedded into the formalisms for the asymptotic cosmology, defining the cosmogony ontologically.
Technically (and in Black Hole physics described elsewhere) then; the overall cosmic consciousness evolution is expected to have progressed enough every 4 trillion years or so, to trigger a 'renewed' 'consciousness explosion' of the 'eternal God' to RECHARGE the seedling protoverse in a renewal of the nuclear (read dineutron/ylemic) fuel for steller regeneration.
Every 4000 billion years or so, a new Quantum Big Bang eventuates, seeded however upon the primordial seed of the initialising inflaton-instanton from the subplenum.

6. God's Location in Within-Without Bilocality
The subplenum God is without spacetimematter and so is defined as omnipresent, omnitimed, omniscientific and omnipotent by the Logos.
The Unitary God-Quantum forms the 'Bridge' for the subplenum God to experience its own separation as an integral of the God-Quantum in the spacetimed plenum.
God remains eternally unified however; as the microquantum of the sourcesink string eigenstate (which defines the 'Bridge') is in 'eternal' selfcoupling to its sinksource string-antieigenstate, the latter defining the macroquantum.
Technically, the vibratory stringscale is of the wormhole order of 10-22/2π (cosmic meters m*); whilst its reciprocal gives the modular duality in the halo-galactic scale of 2πx1022 m* or about 7 million lightyears.

7. God's Laws of Nature
There are two primary algorithms, which generate the fundamental constants of nature in cosmic units (*). The cosmic unitary system comes into effect by any cosmic civilisation measuring just two fundamental ratios in the proportionality constants between Energy and Mass as E/M=c2 and between Energy and Frequency as E/F=h.
As the energy unit (Joule*) contains the kg-m-s mensuration, any experimental determination of Planck's Constant 'h' and Einstein's Constant 'c2', will suffice to calibrate the mass-displacement-time measurement standards for the first of the 'Natural Laws'.
This can be written as:
Energy E=hf=mc2
E=hf iff m=0; (requiring c=fλ as universal lightspeed finestructure)
E=mc2 iff f=fss (as the Eigenfrequency of mass)
The first algorithm generates the following configurations under utility of the fundamental principles of the hierarchy (see 9.) and in the order:

{C1=N1=4; C2=N2=6; C3=N3=7; C4=I1=1/[6x1015]; C5=D12 =9x1016; C6=N4=11; C7=I2=1/[15x1032]; C8=D22=14x1524; C9=I3=1/[15x1618]; C10=26x6561}.
From this set; the numerical parameters to manifest a physically finetuned cosmology derive with an integer-based lightspeed constant c=3x108 (m/s)*=D1 coupled to a similarly integerized action constant h=1/[15x1032] (Js)*=I2.

The second algorithm is of the syntax form for a linearised subplenum superstring:
"Add the End to the Beginning and Begin the Head with the Tail!"

8. God's Subjectivity-Objectivity in regards to the Universal Laws of Nature
God is both Object and Subject relative to Reality.
Within the plenum, the God-idea becomes a subjective 'picture' as a 'negative' for the objective physical reality as a 'positive' observable and measurable entity.
Without the plenum and so within the subplenum, God is the objective 'spiritual' reality; this SPIRIT becoming rigorously definable as the quantum energy eigenstate for the minimised possible measurement within the plenum (and so as the Planck-Singularity of string-looped quantum physics).
The subjectivity within the plenum so manifests in the multiplicity of the physicalised units 'bridging' the abyss into the subplenum of the 'spiritual reality'.
This 'spiritual reality' so becomes an inertia independent form of electromagnetic monopolar radiation; activating under the acceleration of the God-quanta, namely the angular awareness function of the timedifferential of frequency (df/dt=Consciousness/UnitVolume and fmax2=e*/V*=2Rec2/(2π2r*3)=8πRec5mcompton3/h3 and so defining the quantum Compton-Mass configuration for the God-Resonance energy eigenstate measurable under the appropriate initial- and boundary conditions in mcompton=2.505...x10-23 kg* or about 2.25 microjoules or about 14.03 TeraElectronvolts (TeV).

The design-maximum (presently unattainable) energy of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at Geneva, Switzerland so would, if fully operational at maximum capacity, 'tap' the 'Envelope of God's Selfstate Energy'.
This energy level behaves PHYSICALLY like the event horizon of a Kerr-Ringed Black Hole.
But here it is the quantum eigenstate for the minimum inertia manifestation which surrounds the wormhole of the God-SourceSink energy quantum (see 10.) at 1/e*=0.002 Joules* or about 12,450 TeV as the UNITARY GOD bridging the plenum with the subplenum.

At 12,450 TeV; the experimental observer would so witness God as the physical reality IT represents.

To reduce the Beginning of the Universe to an asymptotic recession cannot solve the 'Origin of God' question; because this infinite reduction CANNOT escape the plenum.
The Nullstate of the plenum so becomes the idea of the physical energy singularity as the limit for this reductionism.
The other way around is however completely feasible and the actuality for the cosmic expansion scenarios.
Once you have 'a beginning' in the spacetimematter quanta, then a simple multiplication and summation of such spacetimematter- or God-string-quanta can become asymptotic in an Infinite Approach to UNITY or Oneness.
This then is the statistical probability count, which must always be 1 in total integration.
So having the beginning, the cosmological evolution for the universe can be ever better approximated and modelled via improving measurement apparatus and theoretical calculations.
The trouble is the singularity of infinite physical quantifications.
But because God must be a Quantum-God to be WITHIN the spacetimematter plenum; it becomes easy to postulate this Quantum-God to be precisely the minimum physical energy configuration eigenstate for the physical universe and as the boundary condition, the initial- and end condition and as the LIMIT for all measurements using spacetimematter- or plenum parameters.

Then it is also easy to take the next logical step and postulate that the Quantum-God of the plenum is also the Quantum-God of the subplenum with the caveat, that spacetimematter parameters do not exist in the subplenum and so the Quantum-God must remain physically unreal or imaginary.
They become REALISED however in the understanding that the subplenum is the VOID and the VOID is simultaneously Nothing AND Everything.
This Nothing and Everything then MANIFESTS in the plenum as the minimum- and maximum energy eigenstates (technically defined in superbrane parameters of the modular duality, which brings the theories together in a grand unification of all things able to exist - including all of the imaginary things).
The minimum selfstate of the Quantum-God is a LIMIT of time measurement and just like a smallest possible circle unwinding itself to define the lightpath for the circle's perimeter transversion.
The maximum selfstate is a little different, as it must encompass the antistate of the minimum configuration as well as the potential expansion of the plenum under the auspices of the subplenum providing Information-Energy as Data, which can then become physicalised thermodynamic-entropic energy in the plenum.
This is the Infinite Approach being allowed and the Infinite recession being disallowed in the 'Laws of Nature' defining the Quantum-God.


9.God's Hierarchy
Summararily then, the Origin of God is God itself, becoming multiplexed from its monoplexed monadic singularity selfstate.

The details engage algorithmic encodings, built on 10 universal principles, 7 of which have antistates, whilst 3 have not. The principles and algorithms generate the fundamental constants, used in proportionalities and ratios for the universe of spacetimematter to be born and to become descriptive in mathematical equations.
The 10 principalities (which are archetyped as cherubimic and demonic kingdoms in the older languages of the ancient scrolls) are:

1. Identity-AntiIdentity
2. Expansion-Contraction
3. Order-Disorder=Entropy=Chaos
4. Symmetry-Antisymmetry=Disparity=Distortion
5. Infinity=Divergence-Limit=Convergence
6. Inversion=Reciprocity-Constancy=Invariance
7. Reflection-Absorption (6&7 define Hebrews.6.18)
8. Relativity (No AntiPrinciple---Revelation17.11)
9. Quantization=Holofractalisation (No AntiPrinciple)
10.New Identity, using 1-9 to transform the Old Dual-Identity


10. God's Definition in omniscientific terms of quantum-relativistic supermembranes

Quantum Relativity links the metrics of Einsteinian Relativity to their original metaphysical cosmogenesis. Theistic- and Spiritual definitions become a consequence of magnetocharged superbranes as wormhole singularities 'before' spacetime creation as progenitors for inertia.
LOVE is a VIBRATORY RESONANCE described in a GAUGE SOURCESINK-PHOTON in its supersymmetric selfcoupling under modular duality and which can be defined in its own resonance eigenstate as:

E*=kT*=hf*=hc/λ*=m*c²=1/e* for Unity E*e*=1 and its coupling parameters.

Energy*=Heterotic Supermembrane HE(8x8)=EpsEss
E*=√{2πGome2/4αhce2}=[me/mP]/2e√α=1/e*=1/2Rec2
=GODDOG=DOGGOD=Supersymmetry in alphanumeric abstract complexity

AA

[hippihillbobbi]

Hi Abraxas --

So HAPPY to see ya'll back on the thread! (as she nods to Hans & Tony :wink2:)

i've been busy formulating questions in anticipation of your return and was moved to think of another by your answer to Malletsky.

1) i've been thinking about forgiveness .... (do you know that Don Henley song? it's one of my favorites![/I) ..... will there be any need to forgive one another beyond 3rd dimension? Will we have transcended polarity sufficiently to render "forgiveness" irrelevant?

2) i've become aware recently of a feeling regarding organized religion that not only casts it as "part of the matrix," but also as a likely stumbling block to the "masses" once disclosure has occurred (since Disclosure could destroy many people's faith in the institutional church and its God/gods, thereby inhibiting their' ability to discern/assimilate/experience the Truth which is necessary for Ascension into 4th-5th dimensions[B][B].

Since i have basically had a positive experience with organized religion (though not currently a "practicing" Catholic), this is somewhat difficult for me to understand. i just feel like God's truth is available to us in so many diverse ways, that with or without a formal institution (which inevitably means corruption) we are each able to avail ourselves of the Grace which points us toward God/Love/Light/Goodness and away from distortion, deception, darkness. Could you comment on this for me please, Abraxas.

3) [I]Originally Posted by Abraxas (emphasis added by me):

"God's 'Masterplan' so is to multiply 'itself' without end in a 'Family of God'.
Yet, as long as the 'Family of Man' continues to refuse to 'Remember itself' in its 'Function of the Output' and continues to 'not-reflect' its god-given Input-Life back to its source; as long will the UNITIZED God-Source remain in exile relative to itself."

[does this have anything to do with the "Agony of God?

and, in a related question, if polarity exists forever (i think i understood you to say this once in response to one of my questions), then does that mean God suffers eternally?]


"For the IMAGE-Function of God between the plenum and the subplenum and the holographic principle of the Decimal-Monad hierarchy demands a 'Mirror of Mirrors' within the plenum of the cosmological spacetimes.
Just as the One God reflects itself as the One Universe; so must there be A DAM (a sire and a dam) as a 'Universal Archetype' within the plenum to allow 'God's Story' to proceed."

[God needs a wife? a mother for his prospective star-babies?!?]


"The Image or mastertemplate for the One Universe so becomes 'Cosmic Man Vitruvius' of the hermetic alchemist Leonardo da Vinci or 'Purusha' of the Baghavad Gita or 'Adam Kadmon' of Kabbalah or the particular individuation Malletzky on PA forum discussion forum.
Then as a miniature universe; anything whatsoever and all godlike conciousness carriers within the plenum who Malletzky encounters in whatever manner of dreams, imaginations, physical observations, experimentations and interactions; will be enabled to USE Malletzky's spacetimed mirror potential to REFLECT themselves in that for the purpose to by and through Malletzky's mirror-portal to contact the Unity-Quantum-God in the subplenum."

[HALLELUIA :original::thumb_yello::trumpet:

Abraxas, if you feel like expanding on this idea at all, feel free!

Thanks so much, AA.


hippihill

[bigmo]

It looks like you're getting a good part of this hippihill!

It almost sounds like you are starting to adopt 'Abraxas speak'... so to speak... hehe...

It seems that Catholics may have an intuition about some of what Abraxas speaks about as I suspect many of the 'rituals' we all experienced in parochial schools (Catholics I mean) and daily church had a purpose in their origins though likely interpreted to fit the priestly desires of the moment or worse, intentionally distorted to control the masses and keep the coffers full.

Much of what Jesus said was so profound yet grossly misunderstood by his followers and it's not a wonder as to why, ie. "Lest you eat this flesh and drink this blood, you shall not have life in you." WOW... what a statement!

For the uninitiated it sounds like cannibalism but as has been pointed out in this thread, Jesus' mission had a far greater purpose than the few years he spent preaching and walking amongst us.

There was a mystical progression that he came to announce and an eternal justification that unfolded from his actions and words, that speak to us even today as we all wonder 'What it all means."

Now if I could just figure out how I can walk through walls...

Peace

[soapcrates]

Jonah,

sorry you see it that way - you could perhaps have thought that just might know whereof i speak. You are indeed correct in saying that there have been and indeed still are some excellent writers on this forum. there are however also some that are definitely a sandwich short of a spaceship.

Anyone and i mean anyone who encourages another being to surrender their body or mind under any circumstances is at best being irresponsible and at worst being downright malicious - i refrained from the implication of spite, evil or malign intent when writing, because i don't think its there, but its definitely an option. you wont find any being of light anywhere that is genuine doing that.

If you are saying tat the entire contents of this thread is intended to e fantasy and nothing more, then thats fine, and certainly most of it reads as exactly that.it is sadly far from accurate in many respects regarding reality.

Now if it is intended as fantasy i am all for that, - i really enjoyed Dune although i rather felt that the later books were a little forced, but still good.

Nothing wrong with fantasy - as long as all concerned are aware of the game. I noted a certain reluctance i the post i responded to regarding yielding to another being and that is why i stuk my nose in - seemed to me that somone doesnt know its fiction - i am still not convinced as to who that might be.

I would, however strongly sugget tha tthis thread be re labelled specifically as fiction if that is its intent, adn as dangerous verging on the irresponsible if it is not intended to be fiction.

I gurantee you that if oyu go to any reputable medium,lightworker, healer,higher being or GUru, and tell them what dunderhead said, they will throw a fit. htis is because it is dangerous, irresponsible and downright wrong. and its not the only - shall we say "inaccuracy" here.

Re label it fantasy and i will become a fan [ if the quality improves and co author if it doesnt]. but at least put a health warning on it and call it fiction up front.






soapcrates,

I was planning to only have one drink tonight... hrmm :drinks_wine:

This kind of... how did you put it... parasitic imitation teaching...(wow, that just sounds down right nasty:naughty:) took many years to develope...:lmao:

probably ever since i started reading comic books as a kid... then found frank herbert's Dune novels... That pretty much did it for me...

You see Mr. Soapcrates... in case you haven't noticed... this forum has had it's fair share of interesting writers...

People.. who have for some reason or another chose to put their thoughts down into "forum".....

Some thoughts that can been proven unaquevically... others are but waiting to shed light to those who can SEE...


Thank you for your kind words Soapcrates,
they say that you are trying to be helpful, but the intention behind them I feel is to discredit Mr. Abrax

I've always thought my dreams were more "real" than my waking life could ever be.... Sorry if this isn't true for you...

To the awesome writers that have been on this forum I say many thanks...just to name a few

James Casbolt
Richard T
777theGreatWork
Abraxasinas

Some people just have no imagination any more :tongue2:

[Nebula9D]

The path of selfdiscovery and selfawareness is long and often torturous; however you have eternity to complete your journey
AA

Thank You :)

[abraxasinas]

Hi Abraxas --

So HAPPY to see ya'll back on the thread! (as she nods to Hans & Tony :wink2:)

i've been busy formulating questions in anticipation of your return and was moved to think of another by your answer to Malletsky.

1) i've been thinking about forgiveness .... (do you know that Don Henley song? it's one of my favorites![/I) ..... will there be any need to forgive one another beyond 3rd dimension? Will we have transcended polarity sufficiently to render "forgiveness" irrelevant?

Look into a mirror malletzky!

Can you look at yourself and 'forgive' whatever thoughts or deeds you may have entertained in your forgetfulness/ignorance/sinfulness?
You are looking at a part of the creator and this shard of All That Is.
So can you forgive 'God' for learning to be God - awaken to BE the SHARED MANYNESS of the prime source?


2) i've become aware recently of a feeling regarding organized religion that not only casts it as "part of the matrix," but also as a likely stumbling block to the "masses" once disclosure has occurred (since Disclosure could destroy many people's faith in the institutional church and its God/gods, thereby inhibiting their' ability to discern/assimilate/experience the Truth which is necessary for Ascension into 4th-5th dimensions.

Ok I'll share the ultimate truth according to Thuban with you.
The 'Great War' is a 'spiritual war' and not a physical one.
The PTB KNOW the 'real story' say to 95%; but they cannot, despite all of their access to 'hidden data' and 'hidden history' access the remaining 5%.

The PTB are preparing to PREEMPT all prophecy.
Like in WW2, they are attempting TO FORCE the issue in regards to universal potent archetypes.
Archetypes RULE the Universe, not alien ETs, human usurpers linked to higher dimensional ETs or 'ascended' or 'descended' masters.

In WW2 they attempted to MANIFEST and fulfil the prophecy of the Revelation. That is why it was called the '1000-year Reich'.
Iow what happened in the 1930s and 1940s was that the PTB tried to PREEMPT the New World Order (of the Millennium prophecied) in a way, which would allow them CONTROL over this 'New World'.

Adolf Hitler, the Austrian, became 'groomed' as the 'forerunner', say a modern Elijah or John the Baptist by one of the 'factions' of the PTB, you may call them the Priesthood of the Moon or the Luminari.

This was for the purpose to bring the 'spiritual archetypes' down into physical manifestation and the 'spiritual war' was to be between the Priesthood of the Sun or Illuminari as the Levitical priesthood in the Old Testament and the Zadokian priesthood (loyal to David as the archetype for the second coming) and as encoded in scriptures.

Unbeknown to almost all even here on the PC/PA forums; the two factions are simply the manifestation of the scriptural encodings.
This is why it has become 'policy', say in the last 10 years or so to allow an OPEN ridiculing of the God/Jesus/Spirit labels over the populist media and the 'worldwide web'.

The PTB wish to utterly CONFUSE the issues in regards to scripture (which they wish to FULFIL, because only AFTER it has been fulfilled, will THEY be able to manifest their New World Order). This is why it is ok today (for the first time in recorded history) to openly doubt and scoff at and ridicule (like here on PA/PC) the existence of Jesus, God, prophets and so on.

The PTB KNOW, that to GET RID of the prophecies, which hold the universe itself in archetypical bondage; THEY MUST BE FULFILLED.

But the PTB is attempting to do this BEFORE a 'real Jesus' say could actually INTERVENE into their plans. They are trying to circumvent the prophecied 'second coming' and the 'Christened Millennium' in fabricating a MANMADE millennium and an accompanying ARMAGEDDON=DRAGON MADE.

The 5% eludes them and therefore are the PTB beginning to 'panic'. They are losing control to implement the NWO for 'lack of data'.

WW3 is, as said in the disclosure of Bill Ryan, the next attempt to 'force the millennium' onto the Gaian historical timeline.

The missing 5% ARE the Thuban timeline and as 'authorized' by the 'real Jesus'. This timeline shattered the plans of the PTB, as their manipulation of the archetypes (the spiritual wickedness at high places of Paul in:
Ephesians 6:12 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Ephesians+6:12&version=KJV)
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

could not continue past the 95% level.

(40) Jesus says:
"A grapevine was planted outside (the vineyard) of the Father.
And since it is not supported, it will be pulled up by its roots (and) will perish."

This other grapevine are the plans of the PTB. The timeline from December 8th, 2004 to August 4th, 2008 served as a 'image timeline' for the manifesting timeline from August 4th, 2008 to April 1st, 2012.

So the PTB are STUCK, because this timeline EMPOWERS certain people to show the way for all those who wish to become part of the new dispensation and as ordained by the 'real Jesus' (who can be said to BE presently about 2 million kilometers from the center of the earth in a waveform).

You malletzky have 'opened your heart' to that 'dispensation' and the 'trick' is as follows.
Now I have never given this information before, but for the ones reading this it shall now be revealed.

Revelation 3:20 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Revelation+3:20&version=KJV)
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

The 'trick' is to turn this around. It is not Jesus knocking from some outside of you to 'come in', BUT 'Jesus' is knocking from your inside to 'come out'.

ONLY in RELEASING the Inner Christ will you be able to become a Starhuman and so be truly FREE from the archetypical imprisonments.
This then WILL BE the MANYNESS of Jesus in the REAL SECOND COMING from within and not from the without.

Now, the PTB DO NOT KNOW this. But of course now they will, because the 5% have been 'leaked'.

I so share one more thing and shall leave it at that for now:

Revelation.14.13: And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

This of course relates to the 'Harvest'; but is decoded in the manner of the 'encompassment' of the 'Christbody' by all of you (But can you take the pressure and play your parts in 'God's Own Story'?).

To summarize then; the Bill Ryan video is one of the best things hitherto produced by PA/PA and its content is fully supported by Thuban.

But as Bill says, IT WILL NOT HAPPEN as planned by the PTB, BECAUSE the absolutely correct 95% limit of the PTB is the Archetyped DRAGONHOOD.
This can be easily seen in the symbols of the PTB and the many many treatizes of this on the web say.

BUT the DRAGONS of the PTB are the MASTERS of the PTB at the 95% level.
The Parents of the Dragons of the PTB are in Thuban, belive it or not and it is they, who are in CONTROL of the Thubanese timeline under the guidance of the EVERLIVING master templar Jesus of Nazareth.

So the BIGGER DRAGONS will put their wayward Dragon Children and prodigal sons and daughters into their appropriate places.

Now because this story is actually physically true, because of this truth, are Bill Ryan and all of you who have distanced themselves from the 'evil agendas of the ETs and the PTB' justified.



Since i have basically had a positive experience with organized religion (though not currently a "practicing" Catholic), this is somewhat difficult for me to understand. i just feel like God's truth is available to us in so many diverse ways, that with or without a formal institution (which inevitably means corruption) we are each able to avail ourselves of the Grace which points us toward God/Love/Light/Goodness and away from distortion, deception, darkness. Could you comment on this for me please, Abraxas.

3) Originally Posted by Abraxas (emphasis added by me):

"God's 'Masterplan' so is to multiply 'itself' without end in a 'Family of God'.
Yet, as long as the 'Family of Man' continues to refuse to 'Remember itself' in its 'Function of the Output' and continues to 'not-reflect' its god-given Input-Life back to its source; as long will the UNITIZED God-Source remain in exile relative to itself."

[does this have anything to do with the "Agony of God?

Yes, this agony is simply LONELINESS. HESHE gave away the SHE part AS the Creation and so lost himself as herself. God's Own Story is simply the drama to get the Creation back; not as a separated SHE back as a HESHE monad; BUT in a DOUBLING of the HESHE+SHEHE. The starhumans so will be like FatherMothers and MotherFathers, something Thuban calls the Dragonomy.
This will render the exiled Father WITHOUT spacetime as a perfect mirror function of the nonexiled Father or Redeemed Mother as a SHEHE WITHIN spacetime.
This then is Gaia's ascension, as I have described many times in various contexts.

and, in a related question, if polarity exists forever (i think i understood you to say this once in response to one of my questions), then does that mean God suffers eternally?]

The end of the sufferings of the universe and all HERHIS children is at hand.


"For the IMAGE-Function of God between the plenum and the subplenum and the holographic principle of the Decimal-Monad hierarchy demands a 'Mirror of Mirrors' within the plenum of the cosmological spacetimes.
Just as the One God reflects itself as the One Universe; so must there be A DAM (a sire and a dam) as a 'Universal Archetype' within the plenum to allow 'God's Story' to proceed."

[God needs a wife? a mother for his prospective star-babies?!?]

As in the above malletzky - God's wife is the material Body of the universe. Yes, Jesus is the first starbaby, soon able to become the MANY via the cosmic eucharist, just as defined in being the 'Only Begotten' and 'Noone can go to the Father but by me' and so on.


"The Image or mastertemplate for the One Universe so becomes 'Cosmic Man Vitruvius' of the hermetic alchemist Leonardo da Vinci or 'Purusha' of the Baghavad Gita or 'Adam Kadmon' of Kabbalah or the particular individuation Malletzky on PA forum discussion forum.
Then as a miniature universe; anything whatsoever and all godlike conciousness carriers within the plenum who Malletzky encounters in whatever manner of dreams, imaginations, physical observations, experimentations and interactions; will be enabled to USE Malletzky's spacetimed mirror potential to REFLECT themselves in that for the purpose to by and through Malletzky's mirror-portal to contact the Unity-Quantum-God in the subplenum."

[HALLELUIA :original::thumb_yello::trumpet:

Abraxas, if you feel like expanding on this idea at all,[I] feel free!

Thanks so much, AA.


hippihill

You are greatly honoured in Thuban malletzky for asking these questions.

[B][B]AA

[Malletzky]

You are greatly honoured in Thuban malletzky for asking these questions.

[B][B]AA


Abrax, it was Hippihill that asked these questions...but believe me, it is as if Hippihill was able to read my thoughts...it took me some time to digest that superb answer you gave to my previous questions, so he was faster then I...I would have ask you almost the same questions!

But here we have the proof that, after all, we're all ONE...in this case, really, Hippihill was as ONE with ME...:thumb_yello:

regards
malletzky

[abraxasinas]

Abrax, it was Hippihill that asked these questions...but believe me, it is as if Hippihill was able to read my thoughts...it took me some time to digest that superb answer you gave to my previous questions, so he was faster then I...I would have ask you almost the same questions!

But here we have the proof that, after all, we're all ONE...in this case, really, Hippihill was as ONE with ME...:thumb_yello:

regards
malletzky

I apologize for my misnomication malletzky and hippihillbobbi. Indeed hippihillbobbi the 'she(he) is mirrored in malletzky the
he(she).

Even on Thuban we make literal construction errors sometimes.
You two must have already become inaugurated in the Thubanese 'Hall of the Human Flames' - therefore the 'sanctioned' blending of your cocoons.

Abraxas

[Malletzky]

I apologize for my misnomication malletzky and hippihillbobbi. Indeed hippihillbobbi the 'she(he) is mirrored in malletzky the
he(she).

Even on Thuban we make literal construction errors sometimes.
You two must have already become inaugurated in the Thubanese 'Hall of the Human Flames' - therefore the 'sanctioned' blending of your cocoons.

Abraxas

Abrax, I accept your apoligize :wink2:

About the misnomication, it could've happen to anyone...as you know, the words and all written texts contain a certain energy paterns, and the Hippihill's and mine energy patterns are very similar...

Nevertheless, I just discovered something very, very interessting in your answer to Hippihill...

Yes, this agony is simply LONELINESS. HESHE gave away the SHE part AS the Creation and so lost himself as herself. God's Own Story is simply the drama to get the Creation back; not as a separated SHE back as a HESHE monad; BUT in a DOUBLING of the HESHE+SHEHE. The starhumans so will be like FatherMothers and MotherFathers, something Thuban calls the Dragonomy.
This will render the exiled Father WITHOUT spacetime as a perfect mirror function of the nonexiled Father or Redeemed Mother as a SHEHE WITHIN spacetime.

What a powerfull concept this is!

May I assume that we're not only supposed to not only find the way back home to the creator, but more then this, that we're primarly supposed to 'learn' the creation itself while finding the way back???

If so...it really does matters to find out that 'going back home'...or the 'second comming'...must happen from inside-out and not visa versa!

with respect
malletzky

[Lionhawk]

Greetings Abrax,

An impressive thread you got going on here. What I like about it, is that it isn't strictly a work of a lazy mind with the copy and paste method. You also seem overly accommodating. Not saying that is bad. But to say it mildly I am slightly confused here as to why at this date and time, the council you are affiliated with has decided to put this information out there.

Since I am now in the den of a Dragon, with a Dragon with what seems to be of a great heart, I would also like to ask why this is such a familiar place to me? It would seem like I have been in several of these dens and although my memory goes way back, it would also seem this is like business as usual.

If I know anything about Dragons, it is the swapping of the stories that rarely occur between a Dragon and a human. And yet here you are swapping many stories to many a human.

Mind you, I haven't come here to disrupt or interrupt your thread here with any malice intent. But forgive my curiosity. In all of my memories, there are many that include Dragons, since the time of Antiquity. Most of those memories are horrific ones. Why the Creator allowed his creations to devour another creation has never been really answered for me since those times.

I watched humans get sliced and diced by the very claws of your kind. When I say your kind, I mean your kind as in your soul family in Creation. The very family that exists among us today.

But if I do anything today, in this post, is set something straight that really hasn't been discussed. Not many are even aware of the ramifications of this in this painting, as they may have only read about it, possibly. They have no experience to go by as a reference to even understand such knowledge unless it is conveyed to them as dark or light.

A Dragon is a Dragon. A Human is a Human. The soul fragments of each have a different matrix. Both are the Creator's creations. Both have had the same kind of road less travel as they both have also degenerated through the ages. There is a time where these two had to be completely separated from each other in the Universe. To the extreme that one was placed in this Universal polarity and the other was placed in it's Universal opposite polarity. For that matter, I don't think this has been written anywhere here on the Planet as it is not privy information. The reason why this was decided was to actually ensure the prospect of soul growth in some sort of progression. The Dragons were on the other side of this Galaxy in the other polarity. A great King was appointed and is still ruling today. Well, since the Dragons were separated from man, they had no one else to slice and dice, so they started slicing and dicing themselves. Factions broke off from the Kingdom and wanted their own Kingdom as it is the quest for power that will drive a Dragon mad. Kind of like giving booze to a Native American. The great King Dragon tried for eons to turn this plight around. But these factions that joined together as one, refuted against the King. So, it was decided that something had to be done, as these Dragons thirst for power, was killing this great kingdom. They were an uncontrollable menace. So they were gathered up and exiled through the center of our galaxy through the Black hole. Some know the rest of the story. The Orion war and so forth to this day in the now.

I have a speculation. I speculate that this council of yours is seeking favor with the humans at this time because of what is about to happen. You guys have a problem. And right now you are desperate because you know that your end is near. You think your soul group here will be possibly saved if in thinking that you can convince someone to see that you are worthy of saving by now trying to embrace the human faction. Like you are now doing us all a great big favor.

Let me put this in Black and White instead of Light and Dark. The fact is that your faction of the Dragons were exiled or banished from where you came from. No matter how your council tires to disguise it. And since that time, some of you tried to go back but couldn't. In other words, you saw the light as to what your King was saying, but you already had chosen your fate. It is the original sin that the dark chose to refute the Creator's wishes for all of his creations. Except this time your council and brethren repeated the same mistake with your King. So, to now appear in this date and time as such glorious beings is not going to change the original sin that your kind has perpetrated. And since that time of banishment, look at the karma, your soul group as now compiled. Imagine a pile of dragon dung that can fill up several sectors in this Universe.

With all of your brilliance and accomplishments that only served to satisfy your thirst for power, you have created your own black hole and it has been fed by the very energy you have fed it. And despite all the crimes against every outpost you have conquered in the quest for that power, you have more or less put the noose around your own necks. Your council's decision to not fully take responsibility by placing another agenda at the foot of the human race, is like getting the switch man ready to pull the switch on your noose floor.

You seemed to be a young Dragon by Dragon standards and well schooled. It is a shame because some of you have seen the light, but so many of your brethren have not, and you have become well out numbered by your own kind because you chose to see the light as to where they still refuse it. You, yourself might find the Creators grace when all this is said and done. There is a chance for you to save your brethren and one chance only. That chance has to do with your true King. It will not be achieved by your council or any other faction that has separated itself from your soul group that is currently here. I also know your brethren have a watchful on what you are doing here. They have no use for us human folk. Theirs eyes only show contempt for us to the extreme. Like that final look before the kill.

To make matters worse, in a matter of speaking, if your council and brethren decide to finally negotiate for your soul family's survival, a human has been appointed to assist in that process. The reason for that was to really test your resolve as to your true intentions. There is no more room for the scheming. It is no longer about your entitlement attitude and power. It is about your soul survival, period.

So I leave with this with you in hopes that you all make sense of this and know that it isn't all as you have so far put it. You left out some crucial things or maybe your own council kept it from you.

Also if that wasn't enough information for you to be motivated in any direction you choose, I have two more things of intrigue that might get your attention. One, the technology you have been seeking that was once here, that your kind had control of, because you stole it in the first place, is no longer in your possession as you know. Also any persons that you are possibility trying to find that may lead you back to that technology are also not within your council's reach. So you are wasting your time. Tell that to your superiors.

So, I hope our encounter was an interesting one for you, my Dragon friend. Notice I didn't complicate it with all the dragon dribble. It's complicated enough. And sure you can have me checked out if you like. I would advise that anyway. Spirit Matthew told me that my name is how the Universe knows me. He is a wise soul.

Namaste'

[mntruthseeker]

finally another true warrior comes forward and speaks the truth the way I know it to be (stardust was the first)

Thank you LionHawk once again for expressing your thoughts.

I'm proud of you and know in my heart we have many great warriors such as you to help us through these times.


Blessings

[abraxasinas]

Greetings Abrax,

An impressive thread you got going on here. What I like about it, is that it isn't strictly a work of a lazy mind with the copy and paste method. You also seem overly accommodating. Not saying that is bad. But to say it mildly I am slightly confused here as to why at this date and time, the council you are affiliated with has decided to put this information out there.

Since I am now in the den of a Dragon, with a Dragon with what seems to be of a great heart, I would also like to ask why this is such a familiar place to me? It would seem like I have been in several of these dens and although my memory goes way back, it would also seem this is like business as usual.

If I know anything about Dragons, it is the swapping of the stories that rarely occur between a Dragon and a human. And yet here you are swapping many stories to many a human.

Mind you, I haven't come here to disrupt or interrupt your thread here with any malice intent. But forgive my curiosity. In all of my memories, there are many that include Dragons, since the time of Antiquity. Most of those memories are horrific ones. Why the Creator allowed his creations to devour another creation has never been really answered for me since those times.

I watched humans get sliced and diced by the very claws of your kind. When I say your kind, I mean your kind as in your soul family in Creation. The very family that exists among us today.

But if I do anything today, in this post, is set something straight that really hasn't been discussed. Not many are even aware of the ramifications of this in this painting, as they may have only read about it, possibly. They have no experience to go by as a reference to even understand such knowledge unless it is conveyed to them as dark or light.

A Dragon is a Dragon. A Human is a Human. The soul fragments of each have a different matrix. Both are the Creator's creations. Both have had the same kind of road less travel as they both have also degenerated through the ages. There is a time where these two had to be completely separated from each other in the Universe. To the extreme that one was placed in this Universal polarity and the other was placed in it's Universal opposite polarity. For that matter, I don't think this has been written anywhere here on the Planet as it is not privy information. The reason why this was decided was to actually ensure the prospect of soul growth in some sort of progression. The Dragons were on the other side of this Galaxy in the other polarity. A great King was appointed and is still ruling today. Well, since the Dragons were separated from man, they had no one else to slice and dice, so they started slicing and dicing themselves. Factions broke off from the Kingdom and wanted their own Kingdom as it is the quest for power that will drive a Dragon mad. Kind of like giving booze to a Native American. The great King Dragon tried for eons to turn this plight around. But these factions that joined together as one, refuted against the King. So, it was decided that something had to be done, as these Dragons thirst for power, was killing this great kingdom. They were an uncontrollable menace. So they were gathered up and exiled through the center of our galaxy through the Black hole. Some know the rest of the story. The Orion war and so forth to this day in the now.

I have a speculation. I speculate that this council of yours is seeking favor with the humans at this time because of what is about to happen. You guys have a problem. And right now you are desperate because you know that your end is near. You think your soul group here will be possibly saved if in thinking that you can convince someone to see that you are worthy of saving by now trying to embrace the human faction. Like you are now doing us all a great big favor.

Let me put this in Black and White instead of Light and Dark. The fact is that your faction of the Dragons were exiled or banished from where you came from. No matter how your council tires to disguise it. And since that time, some of you tried to go back but couldn't. In other words, you saw the light as to what your King was saying, but you already had chosen your fate. It is the original sin that the dark chose to refute the Creator's wishes for all of his creations. Except this time your council and brethren repeated the same mistake with your King. So, to now appear in this date and time as such glorious beings is not going to change the original sin that your kind has perpetrated. And since that time of banishment, look at the karma, your soul group as now compiled. Imagine a pile of dragon dung that can fill up several sectors in this Universe.

With all of your brilliance and accomplishments that only served to satisfy your thirst for power, you have created your own black hole and it has been fed by the very energy you have fed it. And despite all the crimes against every outpost you have conquered in the quest for that power, you have more or less put the noose around your own necks. Your council's decision to not fully take responsibility by placing another agenda at the foot of the human race, is like getting the switch man ready to pull the switch on your noose floor.

You seemed to be a young Dragon by Dragon standards and well schooled. It is a shame because some of you have seen the light, but so many of your brethren have not, and you have become well out numbered by your own kind because you chose to see the light as to where they still refuse it. You, yourself might find the Creators grace when all this is said and done. There is a chance for you to save your brethren and one chance only. That chance has to do with your true King. It will not be achieved by your council or any other faction that has separated itself from your soul group that is currently here. I also know your brethren have a watchful on what you are doing here. They have no use for us human folk. Theirs eyes only show contempt for us to the extreme. Like that final look before the kill.

To make matters worse, in a matter of speaking, if your council and brethren decide to finally negotiate for your soul family's survival, a human has been appointed to assist in that process. The reason for that was to really test your resolve as to your true intentions. There is no more room for the scheming. It is no longer about your entitlement attitude and power. It is about your soul survival, period.

So I leave with this with you in hopes that you all make sense of this and know that it isn't all as you have so far put it. You left out some crucial things or maybe your own council kept it from you.

Also if that wasn't enough information for you to be motivated in any direction you choose, I have two more things of intrigue that might get your attention. One, the technology you have been seeking that was once here, that your kind had control of, because you stole it in the first place, is no longer in your possession as you know. Also any persons that you are possibility trying to find that may lead you back to that technology are also not within your council's reach. So you are wasting your time. Tell that to your superiors.

So, I hope our encounter was an interesting one for you, my Dragon friend. Notice I didn't complicate it with all the dragon dribble. It's complicated enough. And sure you can have me checked out if you like. I would advise that anyway. Spirit Matthew told me that my name is how the Universe knows me. He is a wise soul.

Namaste'

Dear Lionhawk!

Some humans are getting ready to transform into Dragons; a very few are on the brink of doing so (1 in 50,000).
Most humans are not ready for Dragonhood; yet requiring evolvement and preparations.
According to your words of personal wisdom above, you are one of the latter humans - not yet ready for Dragonhood.

Should you search in your caves of your remembrances, then you might find some clues as to where the ancestors of the Dragons come from.
This should then allow you to revise the histories as you have learned them from second-hand sources.

Shalom!

AA

[TRANCOSO]

Dear Lionhawk!

Some humans are getting ready to transform into Dragons; a very few are on the brink of doing so (1 in 50,000).
Most humans are not ready for Dragonhood; yet requiring evolvement and preparations.
According to your words of personal wisdom above, you are one of the latter humans - not yet ready for Dragonhood.

Should you search in your caves of your remembrances, then you might find some clues as to where the ancestors of the Dragons come from.
This should then allow you to revise the histories as you have learned them from second-hand sources.

Shalom!

AA
So, what about the content of Lionhawk's post?

[abraxasinas]

So, what about the content of Lionhawk's post?


Dear Trancoso!

The PTB are RULED by the Dragon archetype.
The PTB are unable to access more than 95% of the Cosmic History.
As Collier says, the Paa Taal (or similar label) have been forgotten in the records as the ancestors of all.
Those ancestors are rather closely entwined with the concept of the starhumanity as the fourth 'brain halo' evolving from the Reptilian brainstem, the mammalian midbrain and the human cortex.
This agenda allows recircularisation of the linearity in the Orb of the Ouroborus (Milky Way Mazzaroth or Circle of the Zodiac).

The content of Lionhawk's reply contains no direct questions to be answered and was answered relative to the consciousness vibrations emitted through the wordings.
It is in my authority to discern written material within the context and under guidance of the Thuban master templar - the universal Logos.

In this capacity and authority I choose if and how to reply to unsubstantiated innuendo and preconceived ideas and bias with respect to the History of the Dragons and as found in the archives on Thuban.

As most can ascertain, I DO answer direct questions in all cases, except in oversight or when these questions are intended to cause strife and dissonance or are what is labelled as ad hominem.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Abrax, I accept your apoligize :wink2:

About the misnomication, it could've happen to anyone...as you know, the words and all written texts contain a certain energy paterns, and the Hippihill's and mine energy patterns are very similar...

Nevertheless, I just discovered something very, very interessting in your answer to Hippihill...



What a powerfull concept this is!

May I assume that we're not only supposed to not only find the way back home to the creator, but more then this, that we're primarly supposed to 'learn' the creation itself while finding the way back???

If so...it really does matters to find out that 'going back home'...or the 'second comming'...must happen from inside-out and not visa versa!

with respect
malletzky

You are BOTH, shard of the creator and shard of the creation simltaneously malletzky.
And you seem to have understood one of the 'hidden data' (the 5% the PTB have not yet discerned relative to their data base) rather well.

The symbolism of the eucharist is THE MOST POTENT archetype for the human-starhuman transformation.
It's the real thing and is being 'synthesized' by the PTB in 'implants' and such things. It is inside-out and not outside-in.

The Cosmic Archetypology RULES the Cosmos.
The reconfiguration of Gaia so requires reconfiguration of the entire cosmic structure.
This has been the agenda of all, PTB and ETs all along.
Not many know the details, but many have hints and indicators as to what those details entail - especially the echeloners at the top of the PTB pyramid.

AA

[TRANCOSO]

Dear Trancoso!

The PTB are RULED by the Dragon archetype.
The PTB are unable to access more than 95% of the Cosmic History.
As Collier says, the Paa Taal (or similar label) have been forgotten in the records as the ancestors of all.
Those ancestors are rather closely entwined with the concept of the starhumanity as the fourth 'brain halo' evolving from the Reptilian brainstem, the mammalian midbrain and the human cortex.
This agenda allows recircularisation of the linearity in the Orb of the Ouroborus (Milky Way Mazzaroth or Circle of the Zodiac).

The content of Lionhawk's reply contains no direct questions to be answered and was answered relative to the consciousness vibrations emitted through the wordings.
It is in my authority to discern written material within the context and under guidance of the Thuban master templar - the universal Logos.

In this capacity and authority I choose if and how to reply to unsubstantiated innuendo and preconceived ideas and bias with respect to the History of the Dragons and as found in the archives on Thuban.

As most can ascertain, I DO answer direct questions in all cases, except in oversight or when these questions are intended to cause strife and dissonance or are what is labelled as ad hominem.

AA
Ja, lekker dan, zo ken ik er nog wel een paar!

[Lionhawk]

Well, well, my dear Dragon. Nice try. Brushing it off your back with a brush called arrogance. To be expected in the first round between us. For that matter I think you have one hell of a sense of humor and you might consider the comedy circuit, because when I read your response, you made me laugh and I can only hope that my laugh wasn't an annoying echo in your den.

Dragon-hood. Now that is by definition a confusing concept. A definition that could very well be projected by whatever gang is giving out such information related to their agenda. It even sounds like something a kin to a degree. PHD comes to mind as to your delivery. Also the agenda of transforming humans into Dragons surely tells me that you are desperate. I must inform you that I have to take away a point by your response and let you know the number stands at 96% instead of 95%. With 4 percentage points left.

For one thing, from everything in my experience is not as you have tried to paint it. I thought Dragons had courage. You must be a young Dragon and have not fully found that courage that should be beating in your Heart. No matter the dragon dribble that you have displayed in your response, I will allow you the grace for your immaturity.

The point of my addressing you is that you have lured many with your wisdom. Even I am impressed with your talents. But not enough to compromise what the Creator has already blessed me with as a human as in higher universal man. Why would I defile his intentions by allowing what he has already blessed me with as one of his creations into something he did not intend. And you are doing what? Uncreating one in 50,000 into something that has forgotten what it was blessed with in the first place? That is just one of the most perverted perversions of the Universe I have heard in a while. The premise of that is actually very twisted in design and just shows at what lengths your soul family has gone to exploit one of God's creations. But really, why would I be surprised at this twisted twist as I have seen with my own eyes what your soul family has done. If you are really paying attention here, I said that and from the first hand as to what I brought to the table.

There are several key components that your brethren and your council no longer have control of. One of which I didn't mention in the first round, are the keys to that gate that some of you tried with all of your might to go through but turned you into Dragon butter instead. Another thing that is not in your cave of awareness is who or what is keeping that gate shut. And not to upset you but I will tell you that it is from the true source that has made this contract to keep you all here, until you embrace what you have refuted.

I have no such agenda as in duping anyone as to what I have brought here today. If anything I have spent countless years in service, since the time of Antiquity and those caves as memories as you so poorly put that is all in one cave. One life stream. If everyone could remember in full, what they have experienced in their life streams, I fear there would be a massive war of retribution reborn in this Universe for all the pain and suffering your soul family has provided them. And through the years of torment and suffering I have endured, I have come far in the healing of the prejudice your soul family has graced me with. To the point where, I have come here in actual peace to try to negotiate a peace, spite your arrogance.

I didn't come here to complicate your day Abrax. I came here with a solution to all concerned. As usual, the display of your response is no longer a speculation, as your arrogance has surely showed part of your claws. You claim you have authority but that authority is mis directed as to what your agenda is all about is nothing but another form of possession. You and your council no longer have the authority as you have so claimed with your arrogance and entitlement attitudes over this Planet any longer. This Planet was never yours to begin with. It has all been a ruse perpetrated by your quest for domination.

In the name of the human race, your agenda will not succeed should you decide to implement the invasion that your council has been covertly stock piling here on Gaia. Your council doesn't tell you everything. You can keep us distracted with your wisdom, but if the question as to who knows anything that could possibly know of that, well let us see if your are truly full of wisdom or something else. Now that is what I call an innuendo.

And if I have to stand up and represent this Planet that your soul family has exploited, to claim the authority to denounce your council's agenda, then I so do so now. I will not sit here and have any more of my soul family sacrificed to your dinner plates. Your brethren have used us from the very begining and you are going to present your council in such a sweet light without first taking the responsibility to come here and set things right even though your guilt could fill a black hole. Your council does not or is not the true Royality of the Dragons that I am friends with. So you have no real authority here in this Universe. You never had. You only have fooled the fools. Nothing more.

You see there are guardians appointed by the God of this Universe with the Creator's blessings. That only report to the one. No council rules or governs over them. So there is no infiltration. The only reason why your soul family has made it this far is because of the Creator's grace.

If I didn't know from experience these things, I would probably be subscribing to your second hand information. Your talent is blazing and I sincerely mean that. But for the sake of my fellow humans, I want them to know that their souls are being played for by an old agenda that is now passed it's time. And I don't want to see them sacrificed for nothing as that has always been the end result of that agenda I have spoken about. I don't want to see my soul family continue down this road called "Boring" because of the selfish issues that have consumed your family for eons. What you also don't get is that I also don't want to see your family end up as Dragon butter either as I also know the potential of your family as the Creator had intended is still available to you through his grace. We humans are not responsible for the karmic pile your brethren have created. So that is why it is time for you or one of your superiors to come clean and take responsibility and convince your brethren that the road you continue to travel on is a DEAD end. Was that an innuendo? Because if you do I will tell you this, is that your Brethren will find yourselves all alone and will do through the habit of your past, repeat it, but this time you will be slicing and dicing each other. The reason why you will be left alone is because of what is going to happen in the Universe. You simply won't be able to keep up in terms of frequency.

And to further add to your situation and what appears your lack of knowledge pertaining to it, is what you once had is now gone. The real ones. What you think you have is not what it appears to be. So without that, your fate is once again sealed.

Mind you, I am not here to judge you. You hold your own mirror. But everyone should have a clue as to what you have with held from your audience. There is a code between Dragons and Humans, but it is not this code. This Thuban code is not the Royal one. So it has no real authority anywhere outside of your home planet.

I'll have to pass on your proposed course of Dragonhood. I don't have the stomach to digest a child served up on a plate.

If I can propose a question, I would like to ask when are you going to tell the real truth to your human audience? I am not saying that you have lied. But what I am talking about is what you haven't told them? This reminds me of the movie, "TO SERVE MAN."

Again Abrax, I came in peace and I am going to leave in one piece. Why? Because I can. I also bid you a good day my Dragon friend. Sincerely.

Lionhawk aka ....................?

[viking]

Well, well, my dear Dragon. Nice try. Brushing it off your back with a brush called arrogance. To be expected in the first round between us. For that matter I think you have one hell of a sense of humor and you might consider the comedy circuit, because when I read your response, you made me laugh and I can only hope that my laugh wasn't an annoying echo in your den.

Dragon-hood. Now that is by definition a confusing concept. A definition that could very well be projected by whatever gang is giving out such information related to their agenda. It even sounds like something a kin to a degree. PHD comes to mind as to your delivery. Also the agenda of transforming humans into Dragons surely tells me that you are desperate. I must inform you that I have to take away a point by your response and let you know the number stands at 96% instead of 95%. With 4 percentage points left.

For one thing, from everything in my experience is not as you have tried to paint it. I thought Dragons had courage. You must be a young Dragon and have not fully found that courage that should be beating in your Heart. No matter the dragon dribble that you have displayed in your response, I will allow you the grace for your immaturity.

The point of my addressing you is that you have lured many with your wisdom. Even I am impressed with your talents. But not enough to compromise what the Creator has already blessed me with as a human as in higher universal man. Why would I defile his intentions by allowing what he has already blessed me with as one of his creations into something he did not intend. And you are doing what? Uncreating one in 50,000 into something that has forgotten what it was blessed with in the first place? That is just one of the most perverted perversions of the Universe I have heard in a while. The premise of that is actually very twisted in design and just shows at what lengths your soul family has gone to exploit one of God's creations. But really, why would I be surprised at this twisted twist as I have seen with my own eyes what your soul family has done. If you are really paying attention here, I said that and from the first hand as to what I brought to the table.

There are several key components that your brethren and your council no longer have control of. One of which I didn't mention in the first round, are the keys to that gate that some of you tried with all of your might to go through but turned you into Dragon butter instead. Another thing that is not in your cave of awareness is who or what is keeping that gate shut. And not to upset you but I will tell you that it is from the true source that has made this contract to keep you all here, until you embrace what you have refuted.

I have no such agenda as in duping anyone as to what I have brought here today. If anything I have spent countless years in service, since the time of Antiquity and those caves as memories as you so poorly put that is all in one cave. One life stream. If everyone could remember in full, what they have experienced in their life streams, I fear there would be a massive war of retribution reborn in this Universe for all the pain and suffering your soul family has provided them. And through the years of torment and suffering I have endured, I have come far in the healing of the prejudice your soul family has graced me with. To the point where, I have come here in actual peace to try to negotiate a peace, spite your arrogance.

I didn't come here to complicate your day Abrax. I came here with a solution to all concerned. As usual, the display of your response is no longer a speculation, as your arrogance has surely showed part of your claws. You claim you have authority but that authority is mis directed as to what your agenda is all about is nothing but another form of possession. You and your council no longer have the authority as you have so claimed with your arrogance and entitlement attitudes over this Planet any longer. This Planet was never yours to begin with. It has all been a ruse perpetrated by your quest for domination.

In the name of the human race, your agenda will not succeed should you decide to implement the invasion that your council has been covertly stock piling here on Gaia. Your council doesn't tell you everything. You can keep us distracted with your wisdom, but if the question as to who knows anything that could possibly know of that, well let us see if your are truly full of wisdom or something else. Now that is what I call an innuendo.

And if I have to stand up and represent this Planet that your soul family has exploited, to claim the authority to denounce your council's agenda, then I so do so now. I will not sit here and have any more of my soul family sacrificed to your dinner plates. Your brethren have used us from the very begining and you are going to present your council in such a sweet light without first taking the responsibility to come here and set things right even though your guilt could fill a black hole. Your council does not or is not the true Royality of the Dragons that I am friends with. So you have no real authority here in this Universe. You never had. You only have fooled the fools. Nothing more.

You see there are guardians appointed by the God of this Universe with the Creator's blessings. That only report to the one. No council rules or governs over them. So there is no infiltration. The only reason why your soul family has made it this far is because of the Creator's grace.

If I didn't know from experience these things, I would probably be subscribing to your second hand information. Your talent is blazing and I sincerely mean that. But for the sake of my fellow humans, I want them to know that their souls are being played for by an old agenda that is now passed it's time. And I don't want to see them sacrificed for nothing as that has always been the end result of that agenda I have spoken about. I don't want to see my soul family continue down this road called "Boring" because of the selfish issues that have consumed your family for eons. What you also don't get is that I also don't want to see your family end up as Dragon butter either as I also know the potential of your family as the Creator had intended is still available to you through his grace. We humans are not responsible for the karmic pile your brethren have created. So that is why it is time for you or one of your superiors to come clean and take responsibility and convince your brethren that the road you continue to travel on is a DEAD end. Was that an innuendo? Because if you do I will tell you this, is that your Brethren will find yourselves all alone and will do through the habit of your past, repeat it, but this time you will be slicing and dicing each other. The reason why you will be left alone is because of what is going to happen in the Universe. You simply won't be able to keep up in terms of frequency.

And to further add to your situation and what appears your lack of knowledge pertaining to it, is what you once had is now gone. The real ones. What you think you have is not what it appears to be. So without that, your fate is once again sealed.

Mind you, I am not here to judge you. You hold your own mirror. But everyone should have a clue as to what you have with held from your audience. There is a code between Dragons and Humans, but it is not this code. This Thuban code is not the Royal one. So it has no real authority anywhere outside of your home planet.

I'll have to pass on your proposed course of Dragonhood. I don't have the stomach to digest a child served up on a plate.

If I can propose a question, I would like to ask when are you going to tell the real truth to your human audience? I am not saying that you have lied. But what I am talking about is what you haven't told them? This reminds me of the movie, "TO SERVE MAN."

Again Abrax, I came in peace and I am going to leave in one piece. Why? Because I can. I also bid you a good day my Dragon friend. Sincerely.

Lionhawk aka ....................?

I don't pass through here often but felt compelled to thank you for your fine words Lionhawk....

And welcome back.

viking

[hippihillbobbi]

Hey ya'll --

I don't really think Abraxas needs any defense, BUT, having said that -- i would like to offer just one observation about LionHawk's recent posts: i sense much less of a "Love Vibration" than a "Fear Vibration" in your words, LionHawk. i DO appreciate your obvious sense of protectiveness for your human sisters and brothers, but "me thinks thou dost protest too much!"

if the ultimate test for each of us is how the information resonates in our spirit, then i have to say that Abraxas' posts have had much more resonance for me, LionHawk, than have your defensive diatribes.

in sisterly love,
hippihillbobbi

[Lionhawk]

Sounds like you are one in the 50,000 that was mentioned. Good for you. And if you think the ultimate test is about how the information resonates with you, I would reconsider. It's about your soul and the real test is to see if you can keep it. I have already said that Abrax has a great talent here, but for the most part he really hasn't said anything here that you can't find elsewhere. Except from this council that really has no credibility or authority over the human race. If you want to subscribe to something that has not been certified by the Creator and their Royal King, then I guess, you will be one of the ones in the food line. Their food line. The polarized topic of love and fear is a mute point as far as I am concerned. Because neither one of them will mean anything when your soul is ripped to shreds and used to control others. So if that is what your are defending without defending as you say, then all I have to say here is WHHOOOAAAAAAA!

Have a nice day! :thumb_yello:

[Céline]

I have not posted to this thread in awhile...

and i am about to say...what many think...

i from day 1..i wanted abraxas to be banned.

i knew his intent from the first post..yet i lacked the ability to properly express my concerns. i watched as this thread grew...as mods gave him the open door...

it has disgusted me...it has created such negative energy...

it is a huge distraction that affects light warriors in a very negative way.

i bow to LionHawk..and offer my services in any way..to help bring clarity to this thread.


i know the mods are between a rock and a hard place with this thread and this member...

but i also know for a fact that his thread has affected negatively a few users...some more then others...

as for defending abraxas..you are right..he needs no defense...he wants no defense...he got what he wanted..YOUR attention...so he can further his agenda..

i am very grateful to the universe and its creator for sending someone to remove the veil that abraxas has put over so many eyes...

Thank You Lionhawk

[ellie]

Dear Lionhawk!

Some humans are getting ready to transform into Dragons; a very few are on the brink of doing so (1 in 50,000).
Most humans are not ready for Dragonhood; yet requiring evolvement and preparations.
According to your words of personal wisdom above, you are one of the latter humans - not yet ready for Dragonhood.

Should you search in your caves of your remembrances, then you might find some clues as to where the ancestors of the Dragons come from.
This should then allow you to revise the histories as you have learned them from second-hand sources.

Shalom!

AA

Okay, yes I can imagine most humans are not ready for dragonhood, although I would not mind riding the Luck Dragon from Never Ending Story, it would beat getting the plane.

Oooh, gee, I suppose it would take a PhD, a very intelligent person to come up with all this high esoteric stuff in this thread but the dragon stuff, look I will take my chances with the lions this time okay, if that means I am doomed to get ripped apart so be it, but I do have a few friends in very high places that look after souls, so on a soul level I won't be too perturbed about what happens to the 3D suit. The 3D suit is just temporary, the soul is eternal and tells us within a second what is right and wrong.

If people want to turn into dragons well they have free will to do so, I will take my chances with the other 49,999 thanks.

[Magamud]

Abraxas,
The plumed serpents have left their works in the lost civilizations around the planet with high knowledge of astrophysics. These beings kept in place a god worship dynamic using sentient energy. Can you explain the means of entrapping the soul beyond death creating reincarnation. Is it giving the soul what it believes as heaven, like a holadeck? Also how many times has this place gone through the precession of ages in the zodiac?

[Malletzky]

I have not posted to this thread in awhile...

and i am about to say...what many think...

i from day 1..i wanted abraxas to be banned.

i knew his intent from the first post..yet i lacked the ability to properly express my concerns. i watched as this thread grew...as mods gave him the open door...

it has disgusted me...it has created such negative energy...

it is a huge distraction that affects light warriors in a very negative way.

i bow to LionHawk..and offer my services in any way..to help bring clarity to this thread.


i know the mods are between a rock and a hard place with this thread and this member...

but i also know for a fact that his thread has affected negatively a few users...some more then others...

as for defending abraxas..you are right..he needs no defense...he wants no defense...he got what he wanted..YOUR attention...so he can further his agenda..

i am very grateful to the universe and its creator for sending someone to remove the veil that abraxas has put over so many eyes...

Thank You Lionhawk

Dear Cèline, dear avalonians, dear friends...

I highlighted, with a purpose, some excerpts from Cèline's post above, and I’ll make it short.

You know, as hard as I try to sentiment with the feelings from many of you here...

...so hard it is for me to accept the fact that...perpetual, on many ocations, many times...many of you seem to assume to know what's going on in the hearts of some other persons here...

Do you really know???

I tell you...despite my (by now more then 500) posts here, the answer is NO, you don't know...at least you obviously seem not to know me.

You don't know me...and as long as that veil is still put over the eyes of many, the many will miss to know me. I'm so sorry about this. I'm really sorry...then…


...I mentioned few times already, that this forum (as many other forums too) has it's own, natural rules. These rules are not manmade...but these rules depends on the level of your own vibrational energies.

If the energy patterns on this forum doesn't match (any more) with your energy patterns, the only logical consequence, sooner or later, would be a breakup.

Really, I don’t feel comformtable any more with the fact that, based only on assumptions, inner feelings, intuition...or whatever else, some tend to know what’s going on inside of my heart and therefore indirectly stamping over me with some labels!

Allow ME to say that I also feel some negative energy here...but not that one, that many of you speak about and many of you seem to have find it radiating from some avatars here.

But did I ever said that the one...or one...or one...should be banned???

So the logical consequence is...I will take a break.

I’m proud to have been a part of this group for so long time now...and I leave you behind in love and light.

Yeah, you read correct...in light...:thumb_yello:

You’ll allways be in my heart. Please know that I love you ALL.

Until some other time dear friends...I’ve come to an end here.

...btw...we all loose...there’re no winner here...

With much love and much respect
malletzky

[bigmo]

Maybe I must be one that just doesn't 'get it' ...

Exactly what are you Celine, Lionhawk, Transo, Viking, etc. so concerned about?

Who has he mislead? What has he mislead them to understand that you object to? That he calls himself a dragon or represents the Thuban Council or that Jesus is the Logos?

And you want him banned for that?

Talk about intolerance! I thought you were believers in free will? Or only free when someone 'speaks' the way you wish them to?

You all amaze me.

Not one of your answers has offered any deeper clue to the question of who we are in this universe or where we are going.

At least Abraxas has offered to reveal his 'hidden' information for our benefit, so he says. I don't know if he has altruistic motives or not and maybe he does want us to become 'stardust'.

I guess that the chance I take when I read his post but at least he is posting something of substance... whether you agree with him or not.

It makes not sense to come here and call him names or make claims that he is not who he claims to be because really, who are you?

What pedigree do you have that presupposes that I should listen to you anymore than I will listen to him? That's arrogance!

I believe that Abraxas has provided explanations to inquires made by the participants to this thread in a very thorough and thoughtful way.

Have you?

If any of you have the 'inside knowledge' or the 'universal secret' ... let us hear now, what you have to say?

We're all ears.

Peace

[Spregovori]

Giving my "energy" to this thread probably makes me "entitled" to act "smart"....

I never felt anything wrong with this thread. I am not spiritually advanced (at least not by formal standards) but if something smells I mostly do smell it and stay away from it.

I also do not have any special abilities. I just recently had a very short lucid dream...the 1st or 1st I can remember...cant seem to have more..do not knot know how to....did not do anything special (or am not aware of it) before I had them...but would like to have more....anyway...I am "everyday" human...

But this here is the internet not "real" life. This thread smells just as good as most others here. There are more spices than one can usually find but at least the boiling has been kept to a minimum - something I like.

It is always interesting for me to read what it posted here... There is much I do not understand but I do try to keep it simple and try not to put energy into things that are either beyond my comprehension or ability to directly influence on....since most of the time I am putting way too much time to anything but myself...so I am participating here in this thread in attempt to learn more about myself.

Why? Because I am somehow able to see a sort of a "logic" in it (this is my understanding, someone else might see it differently).

Also each participant had his own way of contributing to this thread and Abraxasinas was/is kind enough to accommodate us all. I am sure that each person got a lot to think about...

I see no way how someone can force me into anything by either reading or participating in this thread. Also as far as my input was/is concerned - everything I do is/was/will be my choice and my responsibility (with one exception) I somehow actually like that.

Is there danger here? Compared to the majority of people (general population) knowing the contents of this thread is greatly more beneficial and less dangerous than knowing if Spice Girls will make a porno movie (that would made my day...but...) or knowing all the "positive" effects of USA stimulus or the financial problems of Greece...etc Anyone watching the TV news and blindly believing it is in a far more greater danger.

I also see no dragons swirling in our skies and also if they do come praying for some fresh meet...than it wont really matter if someone reads this thread or not... It is not like they will have a list of participants and skip all the rest... (yes this now is a poor attempt of a joke)

And before anyone mentions he or she will prevent it with the power of conscience...well than go and do it, what is stopping you?

I am yet to see a random person manifesting his thoughts into action in real time.

What I see here....and something like that also happened before...and it also happened in other threads...is what I see when I talk to other people for example about how economy is working...when I try to...step by step...A-Ž explain to hem how money is in control of everything they do in their life and how vastly different life could be....and some even go that far...to allow themselves to picture the unimaginable possibilities of their life without formal regulation and monetary control....some.... Most of them....are "skeptic" they react like some react here...they engage into "politely defensive" mode...and if you still poke them they tend to get somewhat sarcastic...what follows is anger... It is always a good idea to disengage while they are still "polite".

I was also just recently seeking reason and ways of destroying my soul...so it is not like I am afraid to take a risk....yes I can still get scared...but after participating in this thread I no longer seek to destroy my soul...

I do not know/understand who exactly Abraxasinas is and how does that look like...but if some day a dragon (or any other being) comes I will offer my hand in friendship and ask him/her for a ride (they do fly don't they?)

This is how I wish to see myself...as someone that would welcome anyone...weather "friend" or "foe"..... someday I just might be able to do that....

There is still a lot to do...but my energy reserves are getting lower...I am being drained daily by people "closest" to me...

But but but....what if dragon eats me? Than I will be eaten...and will become part of the dragon or will the dragon be a part of me? :)

[Fredkc]

Bigmo;
Not one of your answers has offered any deeper clue to the question of who we are in this universe or where we are going. God is.
"Life is its own answer." R. Bradbury

If you want it in a parable;
God gave us all a Ferrari - maintenance free. Any time spent tinkering under the hood, just makes it slower.

Where are we going?
Why? Was there somewhere else you have to be? The where is an illusion, the magic is now.

From a previous post:All of us have, within the course of this life, the innate ability to reach through and beyond all illusion, and directly touch the face of our creator. By "we" and "us" I mean all conscious life, in any form.

That creation is as perfect as its creator, always. Only we can put anything in the way of this, though it never truly exists. Any of it. Such is the nature and meaning of Maya (illusion). Our creator sees us eternally in the perfect form created, as this is all that truly exists.

The first "step away" was, and always is ours alone. Any forms of judgement, all complexity is simply complexity of illusion, for its own sake. Who creates it is irrelevant, who believes it, a tragedy.

A "complex" illusion is still just that. However many worlds, dimensions, levels, and times "needed", it always confuses me. We "need" nothing of this illusion, buying someone else's idea of our need, simply feeds both party's illusion.

Their "need" is also illusion, our fulfillment came at creation, as did theirs. Why deny that to yourself, or them, with subscription?
I also ceased to post here, because no one was listening.

I have asked, but people don't seem to get the question, so I'll be blunt. This time ask yourself:
Why are they here?

You see, it's the same "here" for everyone who finds themselves here. Here is both an illusion, and a condition. That is not finger pointing, it is simply acknowledging common ground.

Are you an inter-galactic presence, "gifted" upon this realm? Well, then neither is any other "dependent" being. They, like all of us "need" something here, and so begins a tale (or tail).

While there are those who may come and go from here, at will, they don't need anything here, other than to give. It's the giving that keeps them free.

"Hidden knowledge"? see "Giving". Then ask yourself who hid it, but I wouldn't dwell.

LionHawk, Celine;
Thank you, my friends.

Fred

[Céline]

Dear Cèline, dear avalonians, dear friends...

With much love and much respect
malletzky

Sigh...I am very sorry to see you feel this way...i will attempt to respond..

First of all its Céline...and..i noticed you said "céline, friends and avalonians"...i guess i am not a friend nor an avalonian...but maybe that was not your intent...i tend to read things on an emotional basis, not an intellectual one...that is why i do not fit in to this thread i guess.

i understand the intent of your response, except for ...what the purpose was for highlighting certain things i said..(taking excerpts from sentences kinda takes away its intent)

"do you really know"

know what others feel? yes, some people.

"no you dont know"....so you are telling me..what i know? a little presumptuous imo

"you do not know me" You are right, i do not..and i NEVER said i do.

"veil"

i have always respected your post and feel you are very aware..and are not "veiled"

You speak of love...i fear you are judging me, without love in your heart..

We all have opinions...and we all use our judgment based on opinion...allow me mine please.

As for what i "know"..it is NOT based only on intuition..or avatars.

[Céline]

Exactly what are you Celine, Lionhawk, Transo, Viking, etc. so concerned about?

my concerns are for people i love.

And you want him banned for that?

no that is not why i want him banned

Talk about intolerance! I thought you were believers in free will? Or only free when someone 'speaks' the way you wish them to?

i belive in free will..why are you then saying i cannot share my opinion? ..maybe i should just shut up...

You all amaze me.
This thread amazes me (again my free will opinion)


I guess that the chance I take when I read his post but at least he is posting something of substance... whether you agree with him or not.

are you saying my posts are not of substance? We all havbe our reasons for being here ALL are valid


It makes not sense to come here and call him names or make claims that he is not who he claims to be because really, who are you?

i did not call him names...i have told abrax how i feel.


What pedigree do you have that presupposes that I should listen to you anymore than I will listen to him? That's arrogance!

where did did i say you have to listen to me? i have no expectation that you or anyone does..i was just sharring my opinion


I believe that Abraxas has provided explanations to inquires made by the participants to this thread in a very thorough and thoughtful way.

Have you?

i do not respond to his thread, i do respond to any inquiries people have about me or my threads...which are fluff compared to this thread, i suppose

If any of you have the 'inside knowledge' or the 'universal secret' ... let us hear now, what you have to say?

i never said i had any of that...

We're all ears.

Peace


i am quite insulted..and hurt.

i shared my position...

abrax knows full well how i feel...

perhaps im just an easy target for people far more intellectual then i...

sigh...

[Céline]

God is.
"Life is its own answer." R. Bradbury


While there are those who may come and go from here, at will, they don't need anything here, other than to give. It's the giving that keeps them free.

"Hidden knowledge"? see "Giving". Then ask yourself who hid it, but I wouldn't dwell.

LionHawk, Celine;
Thank you, my friends.

Fred


You are most welcome Fred.


How eloquently you have described how i feel..

[beren]

Since the dawn of mankind the Dragon hated man.
Because man was made in the image of Creator, a being which will fully represent and understand Creator`s intention with all.
Dragon didn` t like that.

Since Dragon like to quote scriptures and is fond of deceiving other according to his premise , then remember Dragon that Word of God is two edged sword.
You were wounded before when you tested it against son of God.

There are few that can wield sword of Almighty.
It takes heart and soul ,it takes love,justice,wisdom and power.

What do you miss of above named ,Dragon?

You have power, and...?

Since Dragon dared to take that sword ,now Dragon will feel its weight:

Revelation 12:7-12


7.And there was war in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8.But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9.The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.

10.Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
"Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Christ.
For the accuser of our brothers,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
11.They overcame him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.
12.Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short."




Revelation 20:1-10

Revelation 20
The Thousand Years
1.And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2.He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3.He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.

4.I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony for Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or his image and had not received his mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5(The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6.Blessed and holy are those who have part in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

7.When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8.and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9.They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10.And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

[bigmo]

Celine,

If I sounded harsh to you I apologize. I do not intend to inflict any pain on anyone here. I was confused as it didn't seem to me that you participated much in this thread so when I saw that suddenly you wished him banned... I didn't understand. (if there is something between you and Abraxas that I don't know about then I can't comment)

I'm sorry if I sounded rude to you.

Fred,

I recognize and respect your position but don't believe what you believe. I feel there is a 'purpose' for my existence beyond my existence.

My thoughts are creations unto themselves which become manifested in my 3D experience, so I seek to perfect my thought process so that I may create 'more perfectly' even as our father in heaven has created perfectly.

Listening to what other have to say gives me input, perspective and sometimes, knowledge. It is not a 'need' but an interest that I have as I am interested in what my brothers and sisters think.

Exposing myself to differing opinions forces me to look beyond the 'comfort zone' we all tend to gravitate too.

Besides as you say... I'm just an 'ole' fart' anyway... hehe

Peace

[Céline]

Celine,


I'm sorry if I sounded rude to you.



Thank you...your words are appreciated

i do not post, anymore to this thread, because i found abrax's responses to me to be condescending and i felt ...stupid...trying to read this stuff..

the MODS were....."are" neutral...they (along with my husband) chose to allow his behavior to be what it is. His "phd" talk keeps people like me away...it is part of his agenda...

Intellectuals will argue that his stuff is "valid" and important...shrug...who am i to judge that?

Many may be upset...say that we are "being mean to abraxas" ...

Some will target me instead of LionHawk, because i am an easier target...

i dont care... i am worried about PA..about humanity... LionHawk seems to be the only one willing and able to stand up to all this...

i will not let another make me feel stupid, for long...so i stayed away from the thread...

Abraxas's love is not emotional..it is..technical...i want no part of it

[GaiaLove]

..the MODS were....."are" neutral...they (along with my husband) chose to allow his behavior to be what it is. His "phd" talk keeps people like me away...it is part of his agenda...


[My Reply as a Moderator]
The current stance for mods here is one of neutrality when it comes to inter personal issues between members. When it comes to threads/posts neutrality is not part of the equation as the guidelines dictate what can and cannot be posted.
At this time Abraxas is not breaking any guidelines but may be aiding in creating new ones.
As for your point Céline that his posts keeps you away. That is not a bad thing. :original:



[My comment as a member]
Abrax, the jig is up, for all to see. The Honorable thing to do is leave with dignity.
This thread and the topic is not what Avalon is about. I Have listened to many members complain that its content is a abomination to what PA stands for.


[My comment as a member of the Human race]
A few years ago I would of taken a totally different approach here and the world would of been better off. However, Avalon and Life experience since then has made me a better person. As such I can now turn my back on this thread and the verbal diarrhea herein.

[To my Beloved Céline]
Your love for the human race has never faltered and has over time changed my contempt for the species which has raped this planet. I have love and hope in my heart mostly because of you. This lizard and his followers do not deserve your attention. Their loss. dont waste anymore of your time and emotion here. it's rather pointless.
Love U:wub2:

[Céline]

Not a bad thing i agree with you Richard.

but this is what i think IS a bad thing.

Why should i (or anyone ) continue to spread love and light on THIS forum...if i (we) feel the MODS and the guidelines on this forum do not protect us from insult or condescending remarks?

Sure its ok to share opinions...

including homophobic ones? racist ones? sexist ones?

Some here have been insulted and had to swallow it due to this "neutrality", and for the benefit of the whole, i and others have agreed with this behavior...and i still do...

but..

You cannot expect people to feel motivated to support your forum...if you do not support us.

i want to feel safe..unjudged and loved..do others here feel this way?

i ask the MODS and the founders...can i and others expect that at PA?

[GaiaLove]

..
At this time Abraxas is not breaking any guidelines but may be aiding in creating new ones.


Why should i (or anyone ) continue to spread love and light on THIS forum...if i (we) feel the MODS and the guidelines on this forum do not protect us from insult or condescending remarks?

Sure its ok to share opinions...

including homophobic ones? racist ones? sexist ones?

Some here have been insulted and had to swallow it due to this "neutrality", and for the benefit of the whole, i and others have agreed with this behavior...and i still do...

but..

You cannot expect people to feel motivated to support your forum...if you do not support us.

i want to feel safe..unjudged and loved..do others here feel this way?

i ask the MODS and the founders...can i and others expect that at PA?

As I have said, your and many other voices have been heard and listened to. There will soon be guidelines put in place to eliminate this type of behaviour. The love and light you and others spread here are inspirational to many many people myself included and will be nourished and developed to bring Avalon into the future we are building together.

[ellie]

Your right Bigmo everyone is allowed to have their opinion as are Lionhawk, etc, so we have differing opinions on the information Abrax relays, well I thought we were allowed that here on this forum.

You do all know that this guy is a PhD in his related field (I forget what that is now), so I am presuming he either is channelling this information from Thuban or belongs to a certain group of people who have this information, whatever I have read enough and I know darn well he can come back with high esoteric information on everything and blast me out of the water if he wants.

I do believe in ascended masters one of them being Jesus, but in all my study of the esoteric over 20 years I haven't come across the 1 in 50,000 being good enough for dragonhood, that's a new one on me.

I suppose if you want to believe everything this guy is saying go ahead, you also have free will. It also only takes a second for me to check with my spirit and if spirit comes back and says I don't like that bit.....well then we know pretty quick.

[TRANCOSO]

In my reply at 01-10-2010 / 05:19 AM, I already noticed that there was something fishy about the abraxasinas hype. It occured to me that abraxasinas was using a combination of boosting ego's & incredible knowledge. That was 100.000 views ago. Meanwhile I saw Celine (& many others) being dragged into this thread. And now, all of a sudden, that same Celine tells us that she wanted to see abraxasinas banned from day 1.

I have not posted to this thread in awhile...

and i am about to say...what many think...

i from day 1..i wanted abraxas to be banned.

i knew his intent from the first post..yet i lacked the ability to properly express my concerns. i watched as this thread grew...as mods gave him the open door...

it has disgusted me...it has created such negative energy...

it is a huge distraction that affects light warriors in a very negative way.
:nono:
That's not the way it works, darling.

If Lionhawk wouldn't have shared his knowledge about this topic with us, it would have taken ages for you to wake up out of this delusion.

This doesn't mean I do not respect you, abraxasinas. I am dazzled by your knowledge about a great many things & that really impressed me. I even suppose your intentions are sincere. But as I stated a 100.000 views ago, I didn't feel comfortable with your slip of the pen.

The way you replied on Lionhawk's post, I found appaling. I almost had the feeling there was another abraxasinas talking, actually.

That's why I replied in Dutch yesterday
Ja, lekker dan, zo ken ik er nog wel een paar!
A kind of Dutch no Google translator can cope with, but a Draconian know-it-all would have understood for what it meant.

Than I noticed you were surfing merely around for at least an hour more, without a reply to my remark.

If you had the slightest bit of pride & honour in your soul, you would have given a reply - in Dutch - that would have been convincing to me, that you're for real.

:lol3: :tongue2: :thumbdown:

Peace, Love & Respect, Abraxasinas

[Céline]

:nono:
That's not the way it works, darling.

If Lionhawk wouldn't have shared his knowledge about this topic with us, it would have taken ages for you to wake up out of this delusion.



i think i understand what you mean...

i do not feel i was delusional... LionHawk gave me courage to say something...

i am intimidated by abraxas and a few others here.

i am not ashamed of feeling that way..dont get me wrong..it is who i am.

i am wide awake...

[TRANCOSO]

i think i understand what you mean...

i do not feel i was delusional... LionHawk gave me courage to say something...

i am intimidated by abraxas and a few others here.

i am not ashamed of feeling that way..dont get me wrong..it is who i am.

i am wide awake...
Big :thumb_yello:, Celine!
You're absolutely fabulous!

[Ross H]

[QUOTE=Céline;241526]

Why should i (or anyone ) continue to spread love and light on THIS forum...if i (we) feel the MODS and the guidelines on this forum do not protect us from insult or condescending remarks?


Your love and light is paramount to your existence and thus embraced on this forum by many members.

You have thicker skin Celine, and a heart to encompass, you are Sovereign.

You have all the protection you need:thumb_yello:

Rest assured, the mods will take action if its required. At this time, this thread falls into my neutral parameters.

Peace

[Céline]

Thank You ..both of You :original:

in the end...love is the only goal.

http://images2.layoutsparks.com/1/223771/dragon-love-white-heart-31000.jpg

[abraxasinas]

Abraxas,
The plumed serpents have left their works in the lost civilizations around the planet with high knowledge of astrophysics. These beings kept in place a god worship dynamic using sentient energy. Can you explain the means of entrapping the soul beyond death creating reincarnation. Is it giving the soul what it believes as heaven, like a holadeck? Also how many times has this place gone through the precession of ages in the zodiac?

Dear Magamund!

The socalled entrapment of the soul is incarnation itself. The architecture of the universe is very simple in design but is becoming more and more complex in the say 'finetunings' to build the material objects found within this physicalised cosmos.
The simplicity is the SEED and just as an apple tree can grow from a simple apple seed, so is the construction of all physicality in the universe and as say found in the workings of the genetic code.

So the biochemical DNA/RNA has a metaphysical or spiritual precursor.


(83) Jesus says:
(1) "The images are visible to humanity, but the light within them is hidden in the image. The light of the Father will reveal itself, but his image is hidden by his light."

(84) Jesus says:
"When you see your likeness you are full of joy.
But when you see your likenesses that came into existence before you – they neither die nor become manifest – how much will you bear?"

(17) Jesus says: "I will give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has not occurred to the human mind."

(29) Jesus says:
"If the flesh came into being because of the spirit, it is a wonder.
But if the spirit (came into being) because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.
Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has taken up residence in this poverty."


The above sayings of our master templar so provide a definition for 'all things seen having been made by things unseen'.

Hebrews 11:3 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Hebrews+11:3&version=KJV)
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.


Then the apple seed appearing was made by the (much smaller) DNA/RNA code appearing was made by some prior code not appearing.
This non appearing code is symbolic or mathematical or archetypical in an UNSEEN non appearing order of the cosmogony predating the cosmology.

The human soul (and all other souls) are definable in this unseen code as emanations from the prime creator source and as holofractal parts thereof.
The mechanics of this definition process is a LOGOS, namely the coupling of the Source Energy in some chaotic selfstate (of an undefined God NOT aware of itself as some wording say) with its own Intelligence (the Word of John.1.1).
The order for the DISPENSATION of the chaotic God-Energy so becomes of paramount importance and does not require the SEEN space- and time- and matter parameters.

So the SOUL preexists the materialised universe as a part or shard of God+Logos=All That Is (as defined before the physical universe is born).

The ORDER of the LOGOS so also becomes the Order of the Soul and this is known as the dimensional hierarchy with the dimensions allowing definition of the densities as the gradient energies within and connecting those dimensions.

Ok then, your question so relates the 3D embodiment of the soul in the things that are seen - this is the incarnation in the 3D space and the 4D spacetime continuum.

The 3 space dimensions are however complemented by colocal triplicities of say 'compacted' or 'conifolded' space dimensions.
This then many term the ASTRAL Plane and the ETHERIC plane.

So the incarnated soul finds itself 'trapped' in a 3D body merkabah (this is actually a sphere about the Cosmic Man as the AdamEve archetype) BUT also has a hidden (often subconscious) access to the Astral Hyperspace plane and the (often superconscious) Etheric Quantumspace plane.

The general 'New Age' and 'Perennial Philosophy' idea so becomes to 'ascend' from the base triplicity through the astral and the etheric planes back to the source.

Then the socalled 'harvesting' of souls by astral ETs, 'Draconian Devils', 'Demonic Vampyres' and such is simply the interaction of the 'waking conscious' 3D-aware souls with their own astral 6D and etheric 9D planes of the subconscious and the superconscious.

Now because the astral and etheric dimensions are both individual and collective, interference and communication eventuates as a function of the individual's selfstate of selfawareness. This is often termed frequency state or resonance potential, but requires rigorous definition in terms of how the ultimate resonance state of the source (say Holy Spirit or such) communicates with the soul-vibration of the individual.

So your ideas about the holodeck are quite appropriate. The hologram of the entire universe is the SEED within you as the physicalisation of the AdamEve archetype (defined BEFORE the spacetimes emerged).
Then the 3 dimensional triplicities of 3D-Linespace; 6D-(Astral)Hyperspace and 9D-(Etheric)Quantumspace all harbour many sublevels, such as tiers of 7 and 9.
The first 5 sublevels are subject to polarity manifested; the next 2 subject to unmanifested internalised polarity and the 8th and 9th sublevel are unpolarised in all definitions.

So for example you and as your soul can encounter negatively polarised astral entities in the 5th 'hell' in hyperspace in what you may term OBE or NDE or a 'nightmare'.
The hyperspace defines angular spacetime parameters, i.e. rotation.

The quantumspace defines oscillations about a mean pivot and is 'higher' in potency as it is closer to the prime source ultimate resonance (in 12D omnispace).

So the 'EVIL=VEIL' entities in 9D-quantumspace become PURE PROJECTIONS of the soul-ID in the lower dimensions, as the quantumspace by definition only harbours unified polarity.

It is the cosmic justice, that the ETHERIC serves as a PURE MIRROR for the lowerD soul in evolution.


This place, actually the entire universe has never before undergone the destined transformation of a 'Group-Soul' from impregnation on Ap[ril 1st, 2012 to birth (of the starhumanity as a cosmic planetary baby) on December 21st, 2012 and its weaning ending on August 4th, 2013.


AA

[abraxasinas]

Hi All!

This thread is called: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) and so involves the answering of questions asked by anyone.
This I shall continue to do, if I am able to do so, as long as there are questions being asked or until the PTB find it appropriate to ban me from attempting to answer those questions asked.

Some of you may have discerned my statement of having 'leaked' some of the 5% the PTB were not hitherto aware of.
This 'leaking' is cause for the recent release of 'harboured guile and hatred' directed towards this data sharing from Thuban by many on this forum.

The Council of Thuban is well aware of the 'Opening of a Pandora Box' on the 'highest spiritual level of the polarised archetypes' and has accomodated the intensification of certain energies initiated on January 18th, 2010.

I can share with you, that none of you will be held 'in judgement' by the Council of Thuban, presided over by our master templar following the completion of this timeline from November 30th, 2009 to August 4th, 2013.

You will however be required to 'selfjudge' and to process your reactivities.

Here is another aspect of the 5%, which not many will be able to decipher at this time, but will be able to understand in a couple of years or so.

(70) Jesus says:
"If you bring it into being within you, then that which you have will save you. If you do not have it within you, then that which you do not have within you will kill you."


All of You are wavefunctions in what you term your soul or cosmic IDs.
All of You are particle functions in embodiments of your individualities.
This is advanced quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement.
Our master templar represents the wavefunction encompassing the entire universe including ALL of you.
Our master templar so ALREADY IS within you all as a 'collapsed' wavefunction within your individualised particle functions.
To PROCESS our dragon master within yourselves so becomes prerequisite to allow HISHER collapsed wavefunction to become an ENCOMPASSING wavefunction around your individualised particularised merkabahs of your souls.

Failing to do so, will, as said above - kill you in the collapse of your particle functions to try again to ACCOMODATE your own Thubanese Dragonhearts.


(23) Jesus says:
(1) "I will choose you, one from a thousand and two from ten thousand.
(2) And they will stand as a single one."

As 1 in 1000 translates to the apostolic circle of a unified 12 around its center; 1(2),000 define the (2) in 10,000.

This becomes 12x12,000=144,000 as 1 in 50,000 in a population of 7.2 billion earthlings.

This 7,200,000,000 includes 200 million ETs presently surrounding the quarantined earth so 2 million kilometers from the Gaian planetary center {Revelation.9.16}.

1 in 50,000 is 1/500 of a % and in a forum such as PC/PA the human population is focused about a hundredfold to give a percentage of 1 in 500.

For 500 members, readers or contributors on the PC/PA forum so; just One will be able to PROCESS the information given.

This is prophetic necessity and not a judgement (sealing in the forehead of 144,000 in Revelation.14.3}.

Revelation 14:3 (http://projectavalon.net/passage/?search=Revelation+14:3&version=KJV)
And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.

Feeling excluded, will necessarily result in defense mechanics of your egocentricities and result in the recent 'awakening' of the 'fake gods and devils' within yourselves ( and empowered by your astral and etheric connections and communications).

BUT NOONE of you is excluded as this choosing must emerge from your own hearts and not some dispensation from without.

Nevertheless, the actual such 'selfchosen' participating members of these forums presently (and this is a Thuban estimate and not as yet authorized by the Logos) would not exceed a count of about 5.
It is hoped, should the data transmission from Thuban continue; that this early count can become greatly multiplied in the next two years; with March 28th, 2011 a decisive 'harvesting point' however.

So to the 'challengers' and the 'defenders' alike - you know who you are; the Thuban Council wishes to extend its gratitude for implementing such a great job (Aye you ALL are and have the JOB in the Old Testament) done in bringing forth the great polarisation in miniature - the 'spiritual war' between the Father of all Lies and his image of the Father of Truth.

Yet, they are one and the same across a divide, which shall destroy the fakeries and the falsehoods.
All but the 1 in 50,000 will be subject to these falsehoods in bringing about the Dark Shining Light of the New Gaia.

In a sense though, the 'earlier selfchosen' are the 'stay at home' sons and daughters, loyal to their kingdoms.
The 'unsealed renegades' are like the prodigal daughters and sons, which HELP to bring about a more contextual and richer kingdom for all in their 'disobedience' and their 'disloyalties' to their homages.
The deeper meaning of these words will become clearer in time.
You ALL are doing a great JOB and the 'Great Deceiver' has been forced to reveal its presence.
Remember the Starhumanity is a BABY of the Cosmos - a UNIFIED GALACTIC CIVILIZATION.
It will not be easy to manifest, but the timeline is on due course and cannot be avoided by anyone or anything as it has been a collective decision before the universe was born in space and time.


This then is the RELATIVITY between the Warriors of the Light in the Darkness and the Warriors of the Night in the Light.

Shalom and the Love of the Little Serpent, Father of our master templar Jesus of Nazareth is with you always; even if you fail to comprehend it.

Sirebard Beardris

[abraxasinas]

Well, well, my dear Dragon. Nice try. Brushing it off your back with a brush called arrogance. To be expected in the first round between us. For that matter I think you have one hell of a sense of humor and you might consider the comedy circuit, because when I read your response, you made me laugh and I can only hope that my laugh wasn't an annoying echo in your den.

Dragon-hood. Now that is by definition a confusing concept. A definition that could very well be projected by whatever gang is giving out such information related to their agenda. It even sounds like something a kin to a degree. PHD comes to mind as to your delivery. Also the agenda of transforming humans into Dragons surely tells me that you are desperate. I must inform you that I have to take away a point by your response and let you know the number stands at 96% instead of 95%. With 4 percentage points left.

For one thing, from everything in my experience is not as you have tried to paint it. I thought Dragons had courage. You must be a young Dragon and have not fully found that courage that should be beating in your Heart. No matter the dragon dribble that you have displayed in your response, I will allow you the grace for your immaturity.

The point of my addressing you is that you have lured many with your wisdom. Even I am impressed with your talents. But not enough to compromise what the Creator has already blessed me with as a human as in higher universal man. Why would I defile his intentions by allowing what he has already blessed me with as one of his creations into something he did not intend. And you are doing what? Uncreating one in 50,000 into something that has forgotten what it was blessed with in the first place? That is just one of the most perverted perversions of the Universe I have heard in a while. The premise of that is actually very twisted in design and just shows at what lengths your soul family has gone to exploit one of God's creations. But really, why would I be surprised at this twisted twist as I have seen with my own eyes what your soul family has done. If you are really paying attention here, I said that and from the first hand as to what I brought to the table.

There are several key components that your brethren and your council no longer have control of. One of which I didn't mention in the first round, are the keys to that gate that some of you tried with all of your might to go through but turned you into Dragon butter instead. Another thing that is not in your cave of awareness is who or what is keeping that gate shut. And not to upset you but I will tell you that it is from the true source that has made this contract to keep you all here, until you embrace what you have refuted.

I have no such agenda as in duping anyone as to what I have brought here today. If anything I have spent countless years in service, since the time of Antiquity and those caves as memories as you so poorly put that is all in one cave. One life stream. If everyone could remember in full, what they have experienced in their life streams, I fear there would be a massive war of retribution reborn in this Universe for all the pain and suffering your soul family has provided them. And through the years of torment and suffering I have endured, I have come far in the healing of the prejudice your soul family has graced me with. To the point where, I have come here in actual peace to try to negotiate a peace, spite your arrogance.

I didn't come here to complicate your day Abrax. I came here with a solution to all concerned. As usual, the display of your response is no longer a speculation, as your arrogance has surely showed part of your claws. You claim you have authority but that authority is mis directed as to what your agenda is all about is nothing but another form of possession. You and your council no longer have the authority as you have so claimed with your arrogance and entitlement attitudes over this Planet any longer. This Planet was never yours to begin with. It has all been a ruse perpetrated by your quest for domination.

In the name of the human race, your agenda will not succeed should you decide to implement the invasion that your council has been covertly stock piling here on Gaia. Your council doesn't tell you everything. You can keep us distracted with your wisdom, but if the question as to who knows anything that could possibly know of that, well let us see if your are truly full of wisdom or something else. Now that is what I call an innuendo.

And if I have to stand up and represent this Planet that your soul family has exploited, to claim the authority to denounce your council's agenda, then I so do so now. I will not sit here and have any more of my soul family sacrificed to your dinner plates. Your brethren have used us from the very begining and you are going to present your council in such a sweet light without first taking the responsibility to come here and set things right even though your guilt could fill a black hole. Your council does not or is not the true Royality of the Dragons that I am friends with. So you have no real authority here in this Universe. You never had. You only have fooled the fools. Nothing more.

You see there are guardians appointed by the God of this Universe with the Creator's blessings. That only report to the one. No council rules or governs over them. So there is no infiltration. The only reason why your soul family has made it this far is because of the Creator's grace.

If I didn't know from experience these things, I would probably be subscribing to your second hand information. Your talent is blazing and I sincerely mean that. But for the sake of my fellow humans, I want them to know that their souls are being played for by an old agenda that is now passed it's time. And I don't want to see them sacrificed for nothing as that has always been the end result of that agenda I have spoken about. I don't want to see my soul family continue down this road called "Boring" because of the selfish issues that have consumed your family for eons. What you also don't get is that I also don't want to see your family end up as Dragon butter either as I also know the potential of your family as the Creator had intended is still available to you through his grace. We humans are not responsible for the karmic pile your brethren have created. So that is why it is time for you or one of your superiors to come clean and take responsibility and convince your brethren that the road you continue to travel on is a DEAD end. Was that an innuendo? Because if you do I will tell you this, is that your Brethren will find yourselves all alone and will do through the habit of your past, repeat it, but this time you will be slicing and dicing each other. The reason why you will be left alone is because of what is going to happen in the Universe. You simply won't be able to keep up in terms of frequency.

And to further add to your situation and what appears your lack of knowledge pertaining to it, is what you once had is now gone. The real ones. What you think you have is not what it appears to be. So without that, your fate is once again sealed.

Mind you, I am not here to judge you. You hold your own mirror. But everyone should have a clue as to what you have with held from your audience. There is a code between Dragons and Humans, but it is not this code. This Thuban code is not the Royal one. So it has no real authority anywhere outside of your home planet.

I'll have to pass on your proposed course of Dragonhood. I don't have the stomach to digest a child served up on a plate.

If I can propose a question, I would like to ask when are you going to tell the real truth to your human audience?

Dear Lionhawk!

I have told the truth and nothing but the truth (as say legislated in a court of jurisdiction) in all of my discourses.

There have been cases of being asked questions in particular contexts to which answers in similar context were then given in reply.
For example, if called (or implied by innuendo) of being a 'bloodthirsty' Draconian Vampire or a Tyrannosaurus Rex of some sort, on the 'prowl' to 'eat' stardestined evolving humanoids; then I might very well mirror this implication in projecting being such a 'vampire' in search of 'devouring' the questioner and originator of the projected innuendo and labeling.

I am not saying that you have lied. But what I am talking about is what you haven't told them?

There are many things I have not yet told the readers of this thread. This is not because of 'witholding data', but because the appropriate questions have not been asked or the explanation would be too technical in mathematical terms for people to understand.
Additionally, whilst I am in knowledge about the generality of the timeline as decreed by our master templar; I am not privvy to detailed dates of manifestations.
I will however publish those details once I become aware of them AND if I am authorized to do so.

This reminds me of the movie, "TO SERVE MAN."

Again Abrax, I came in peace and I am going to leave in one piece. Why? Because I can. I also bid you a good day my Dragon friend. Sincerely.

Lionhawk aka ....................?


I apologize for not having answered your question asked earlier CircleAWar=ArachneABirth=PaulLeft=93.

AA

[Jonah]

(83) Jesus says:
(1) "The images are visible to humanity, but the light within them is hidden in the image. The light of the Father will reveal itself, but his image is hidden by his light."

(84) Jesus says:
"When you see your likeness you are full of joy.
But when you see your likenesses that came into existence before you – they neither die nor become manifest – how much will you bear?"

(17) Jesus says: "I will give you what no eye has seen, and what no ear has heard, and what no hand has touched, and what has not occurred to the human mind."

(29) Jesus says:
"If the flesh came into being because of the spirit, it is a wonder.
But if the spirit (came into being) because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders.
[I][COLOR=red]Yet I marvel at how this great wealth has taken up residence in this poverty."

If the spirit came from flesh...

if the tree came from seed... and so it does... we had to create the bridge to the astral beyond the etheric so that our seed could become a tree... I like this abrax... if i am interpreting this correctly... but then as many here seem to forget.. it only matters how i interpret it...

[abraxasinas]

In my reply at 01-10-2010 / 05:19 AM, I already noticed that there was something fishy about the abraxasinas hype. It occured to me that abraxasinas was using a combination of boosting ego's & incredible knowledge. That was 100.000 views ago. Meanwhile I saw Celine (& many others) being dragged into this thread. And now, all of a sudden, that same Celine tells us that she wanted to see abraxasinas banned from day 1.


:nono:
That's not the way it works, darling.

If Lionhawk wouldn't have shared his knowledge about this topic with us, it would have taken ages for you to wake up out of this delusion.

This doesn't mean I do not respect you, abraxasinas. I am dazzled by your knowledge about a great many things & that really impressed me. I even suppose your intentions are sincere. But as I stated a 100.000 views ago, I didn't feel comfortable with your slip of the pen.

The way you replied on Lionhawk's post, I found appaling. I almost had the feeling there was another abraxasinas talking, actually.

That's why I replied in Dutch yesterday

A kind of Dutch no Google translator can cope with, but a Draconian know-it-all would have understood for what it meant.

Than I noticed you were surfing merely around for at least an hour more, without a reply to my remark.

If you had the slightest bit of pride & honour in your soul, you would have given a reply - in Dutch - that would have been convincing to me, that you're for real.

:lol3: :tongue2: :thumbdown:

Peace, Love & Respect, Abraxasinas

Dear Trancoso!

I considered replying to your Dutch sentence indeed; but decided not to, because you did not translate for all readers unfamiliar with the Dutch tongue.

I did in no manner 'search' the web or forum to 'decipher' your enigmatic message, but simply engaged in other tasks.

I could say to you:
"Das monstroese Tier ist und ist nicht und doch ist, ist von den Sieben doch der Achte und geht in die Verderbung".

Would you bother replying to this?

Then I could say:
"The monstrous animal is not and yet is, is of the seven yet the eighth and goes into perdition."

I also could say:
"Het monsterachtige dier is niet en is nog, is van de zeven nog de achtste en gaat in ondergang".

Your original saying translates to:

"Ja, lekker dan, zo ken ik er nog wel een paar!"

"Ja gut dann, so kann ich es noch wissen wie im Paar!"

"Yes, well then, so I can know it as a pair!"

Your wisdoms and riddles belong to you and you are privvy to share them if you so desire.


I am not here, nor am I required to by my council, to PROVE anything to anything or anyone - are you?

AA

[abraxasinas]

If the spirit came from flesh...

if the tree came from seed... and so it does... we had to create the bridge to the astral beyond the etheric so that our seed could become a tree... I like this abrax... if i am interpreting this correctly... but then as many here seem to forget.. it only matters how i interpret it...

Indeed Jonah!

The enigma is as to how, if the physical worlds emerged from some spiritual plenum as is generally postulated and believed; the created worlds then SOMEHOW become a feedback loop for the materially preexisting 'spirit'?

And you have discerned well. This is but the 'fall of the starhumanity' from its original home of the 12D omnispace through the 9D etheric and the 6D astral into 3D physicality.

This is wonderfully described in Genesis.2:

Genesis 2:3-5 (King James Version)



3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Now Jonah; YOU are able to translate the archetypes in this scriptural encoding through and by your discernments.

The 'before it grew' semantics, describe the souls of manyness dispersing in individuations of consciousness (from the ONE SourceSoul or Oversoul or WorldSoul) into the metaphysical archetyped universe, before it existed in space and time.

The often bemoaned 'fall of humanity' so is cosmic necessity to establish the feedback loops between the unseen templates for the seen creations.

Should you continue to engage such discernments Jonah, then you will be on a narrow path into full remembrance.

Your tree Jonah, is destined to grow from a seed within you to eventually create a feedback universe as big as you can fathom.

AA

[SteveX]

Having briefly scanned this thread I'm left thinking that this is some kind of quasi-religious RPG. I wondered if it was a virtual strategic board game. Perhaps there's another guy on another forum duking it out over there. Then these 2 players score each other’s work on the number of questions asked. The cerebral looking gobbledegook somehow scores extra points or another go.

I’m probably wrong as I’m, as an INTJ, always confounded by certain illogical behavour. I do try to put reason to rhyme but like someone said to me once “there’s nowt queer as folk.”

Oh well!….game on.

[beren]

2 Corinthians 11:13-15

13.For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14.And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15.It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

[Jonah]

The often bemoaned 'fall of humanity' so is cosmic necessity to establish the feedback loops between the unseen templates for the seen creations.

Should you continue to engage such discernments Jonah, then you will be on a narrow path into full remembrance.

We shall see abrax,

I have enough trouble remembering where i put my keys...

But it is sad to see what most people have allowed... as they stare at the tv... hard to argue the fact that we have fallen...

but i see the light in woman/man... if it weren't for the current controllers ability to keep us stuck... if feel man/woman would figure "it" out on his/her own...

this is the problem most people have abrax...

it's difficult to look past the emotions that get brought to light when dealing with such an overwhelming acceptance of the current situation...

People need someone to blame I suppose... hence the current riff and confusion set upon humanity... and still after all the this is known... when all the secrets are revealed the mob will still want blood...
lots of e=motion still left to learn from...

wouldn't want to be tptb when the light shines upon the dark and vice-versa for that matter....

to all who believe that they know what i believe... think again... .then ask your self why am i still thinking...:tongue2:

[abraxasinas]

We shall see abrax,

I have enough trouble remembering where i put my keys...

But it is sad to see what most people have allowed... as they stare at the tv... hard to argue the fact that we have fallen...

but i see the light in woman/man... if it weren't for the current controllers ability to keep us stuck... if feel man/woman would figure "it" out on his/her own...

this is the problem most people have abrax...

it's difficult to look past the emotions that get brought to light when dealing with such an overwhelming acceptance of the current situation...

People need someone to blame I suppose... hence the current riff and confusion set upon humanity... and still after all the this is known... when all the secrets are revealed the mob will still want blood...
lots of e=motion still left to learn from...

wouldn't want to be tptb when the light shines upon the dark and vice-versa for that matter....

to all who believe that they know what i believe... think again... .then ask your self why am i still thinking...:tongue2:

There is a plan behind the plans and the many things of the present turmoils, physical, emotional, mental and spiritual - Jonah.

Ask yourself, why is this present turmoil necessary and what 'higher' purpose does IT serve?

The answer is the 'mission of Gaia' as a hologram of the greater universe, vastly greater than galactic identities of any kind.

The full implications of this plan behind the plans, requiring Gaia's ascencion and Barbelo's descension; have not even been fully 'worked out' in its basic archetypical structure as yet.

This 'constructing a new plan' for the purpose and destiny for the starplanet both collectively and individually; will be a group-cocreative effort for the old humans enabled to break through their eggshells to metamorphose from caterpillar to butterfly.

But my comment about your 'fathoming' relates to this.
It will become clearer to all after the 'tribulations' have ended.
The few will of course begin to form the 'core' for this new world a little earlier as the pioneers and the 'eager ones' within the cocoons.

AA

[Spregovori]

To anyone reading this thread....

it seems i woke up " too honest" this day

I am sorry (no I am not) but what is this crap about waging war against anything people do not like...

warrior/war against darkness
war against poverty
war against terror
war against climate change
war against drugs

People don't like something - they declare a war on ti (G.C)

How unreasonable is it to call yourself a light and a warrior...it is like naming a missile patriot....something that can destroy but hey...it is patriotic...so no worries...it is for the good cause?

Blow the mofos up - redeem their "crimes" against my believes.

Being a "warrior" while hiding behind the "love and light" principles...how "dare" you?

Please spare with all the "philosophy" (excuses) on the usage of word war/warrior with "good" intentions. No room for debate here - it is like "arguing" with a religious fanatic.

You are acting like a bunch of "mainstream kids" that refuse to listen or see to anything that is not according to their view/perception of life and the moment something is not like them they form a "gang" to protect their "right".

You put your "warrior" out and eventually you get your "warrior" back...now

Is there a chance that Abraxasinas is full of ****? YES there is! BUT!! THE SAME GOES FOR YOU OR ME OR ANYONE ELSE!!!

It seems like we should ban the whole forum here.... but if it helps you make feel better Abraxasinas has already been banned once under the pretense of breaking forum rules...(he answered my question LOL and got banned). Now it seems, so I read, there are new rules in the making to prevent such threads? What is this - New Age Fascism? I do wonder what or who is so much clairvoyant that can put together such a rule...

Will there be more word twisting?

You people here like science fiction? You people here know Star-gate SG1? Well in the begging the dream team comes on some planet...and there were people on that planet called the Nox. Please do watch that episode and see how they handle the problems (the point being their philosophy about it)

"Young do not always do as they are told."

I am yet to see the day when "humanity" will put their words before their swords...when they will ask questions first and will not strike later....the day when also the living will be able to see the end of war...not just the dead

and my "advice" to you: if you do not like something, simply do not bother with it...do not put your attention to it...do not help to prolong it...

Inappropriate reason mod edit: might be...depends on your current moral standards...but for the sake of not arguing...i agree

[Céline]

You are acting like a bunch of "mainstream kids" that refuse to listen or see to anything that is not according to their view/perception of life and the moment something is not like them they form a "gang" to protect their "right".



Gang to protect our light....i am very sorry to see you feel that way..
i am not in any gang...nor do i support the idea of such.

Abrax knows full well how i feel.

And as you see he CAN defend his points of view and in NO way feels threatened by our disagreeing or our feeling compelled to do something about it.

All i see are other people telling "us" keep your opinions to yourself.

Should we always agree?

Disagreeing brings knowledge..in my world...what does it bring in your world?

i may be intimidated...but i am not a yes girl.

Abrax responded to Lionhawk...i do not think he responded to me...but i did not really ask him a question..

and as he said....This threads purpose is to answer questions about Thuban.

He has every right to ask us to keep focus on the subject at hand.

a few came to his defense...feeling quite indignant...

as was stated above..

HE NEEDS NO DEFENSE


i will ask 3 questions here....

Abrax..

Do you wish to spread light ?

Bring knowledge to a wide base of people who are awakening to a new reality?

if so would you consider starting other threads, based on other experiences that may offer "newbies" some tools to decipher your thread?

3 questions...none about love abrax...*smiles*


Abrax..on a side note...i remember seeing a request from the MODS to only quote what is necessary...you seem to quote big long texts..and add only a few words sometimes...i am told this is not "easy" on the forum (ok ok i know im not very techie minded..but i am sure you know what i mean )

[viking]

Exactly what are you Celine, Lionhawk, Transo, Viking, etc. so concerned about?


I’ll make this short… (My time is too valuable to waste here!!)

Bigmo, I have no concern at all with this thread, or the Author.

As far as I am concerned it is a waste of my valuable time. I have stopped visiting this thread as I do not resonate with it at all…

I find more interest reading ‘Grimm Fairy Tales’ to my Kids … !!

As far as I am concerned the Author here lives in ‘Wonderland’ … perhaps 'Cuckoo land' is more appropriate ...

The only reason I popped in here was because I saw that Lionhawk had been here I wondered what on earth he was doing.

By the way, good on you Lionhawk for stepping in, and Celine for coming forward and expressing yourself.

Anyone here (Avalon) with intentions to steer mind towards evil intent will be caught out eventually. So rest assured folks the light always wins. Just know in your heart that all will unfold in time.

Stop feeding the dragon!!

If the dragon doesn’t get any nourishment here he will feed elsewhere!

viking

[bigmo]

Hi All!


All of You are wavefunctions in what you term your soul or cosmic IDs.
All of You are particle functions in embodiments of your individualities.
This is advanced quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement.
Our master templar represents the wavefunction encompassing the entire universe including ALL of you.
Our master templar so ALREADY IS within you all as a 'collapsed' wavefunction within your individualised particle functions.
To PROCESS our dragon master within yourselves so becomes prerequisite to allow HISHER collapsed wavefunction to become an ENCOMPASSING wavefunction around your individualised particularised merkabahs of your souls.

This 'PROCESS' that you speak of here that expands the collapsed wave function within our merkabahs is what? (can you define the 'PROCESS''?

Failing to do so, will, as said above - kill you in the collapse of your particle functions to try again to ACCOMODATE your own Thubanese Dragonhearts.


Nevertheless, the actual such 'selfchosen' participating members of these forums presently (and this is a Thuban estimate and not as yet authorized by the Logos) would not exceed a count of about 5.
It is hoped, should the data transmission from Thuban continue; that this early count can become greatly multiplied in the next two years; with March 28th, 2011 a decisive 'harvesting point' however.

So to the 'challengers' and the 'defenders' alike - you know who you are; the Thuban Council wishes to extend its gratitude for implementing such a great job (Aye you ALL are and have the JOB in the Old Testament) done in bringing forth the great polarisation in miniature - the 'spiritual war' between the Father of all Lies and his image of the Father of Truth.

Yet, they are one and the same across a divide, which shall destroy the fakeries and the falsehoods.
All but the 1 in 50,000 will be subject to these falsehoods in bringing about the Dark Shining Light of the New Gaia.

So everyone but the 144,000 will participate in the 'falsehoods' of the Antichrist? So can there be any hope for discernment for others?


Sirebard Beardris

Thanks

[Céline]

Stop feeding the dragon!!

If the dragon doesn’t get any nourishment here he will feed elsewhere!

viking

so well said...good advice dear friend.

and i belive that applies to more then just posting to his thread...thereis a need to reflect deeper on LionHawks words..and yours viking.

[bigmo]

Anyone here (Avalon) with intentions to steer mind towards evil intent will be caught out eventually. So rest assured folks the light always wins. Just know in your heart that all will unfold in time.

Stop feeding the dragon!!

If the dragon doesn’t get any nourishment here he will feed elsewhere!

viking[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/B][/I]

Viking,

I am truly trying to understand what the 'evil intent' is, that you refer to in this post?

Is it this: the 'devil' is a 'dragon' and the devil is evil so... Abraxas calls himself a dragon so Abraxas must be evil?

I'm trying to 'really understand' the reasons for the comments posted against Abraxas and why you call it negative and evil?

Peace

[viking]

Anyone here (Avalon) with intentions to steer mind towards evil intent will be caught out eventually. So rest assured folks the light always wins. Just know in your heart that all will unfold in time.
Stop feeding the dragon!!
If the dragon doesn’t get any nourishment here he will feed elsewhere!
viking

Viking,
I am truly trying to understand what the 'evil intent' is, that you refer to in this post?
Is it this: the 'devil' is a 'dragon' and the devil is evil so... Abraxas calls himself a dragon so Abraxas must be evil?
I'm trying to 'really understand' the reasons for the comments posted against Abraxas and why you call it negative and evil? Peace

Bigmo I am not wasting my time or energy replying to what I consider to be a ridiculous thread...

I have expressed my concerns with all the Mods at the beginning!!

pm if you wish...

- viking

[abraxasinas]

Gang to protect our light....i am very sorry to see you feel that way..
i am not in any gang...nor do i support the idea of such.

Abrax knows full well how i feel.

And as you see he CAN defend his points of view and in NO way feels threatened by our disagreeing or our feeling compelled to do something about it.

All i see are other people telling "us" keep your opinions to yourself.

Should we always agree?

Disagreeing brings knowledge..in my world...what does it bring in your world?

i may be intimidated...but i am not a yes girl.

Abrax responded to Lionhawk...i do not think he responded to me...but i did not really ask him a question..

and as he said....This threads purpose is to answer questions about Thuban.

He has every right to ask us to keep focus on the subject at hand.

a few came to his defense...feeling quite indignant...

as was stated above..

HE NEEDS NO DEFENSE


i will ask 3 questions here....

Abrax..

Do you wish to spread light ?

I am a witness for the harmony between the archetypical light and the archetypical darkness, Celine.

Bring knowledge to a wide base of people who are awakening to a new reality?

Absolutely!

if so would you consider starting other threads, based on other experiences that may offer "newbies" some tools to decipher your thread?

I have already done so Celine; started other threads and replied to messages of others. I am however rather busy replying to the questions asked here and I have other obligations in my agencies as well; such as minding grandchildren and their awakenings to where they came from.

3 questions...none about love abrax...*smiles*


Abrax..on a side note...i remember seeing a request from the MODS to only quote what is necessary...you seem to quote big long texts..and add only a few words sometimes...i am told this is not "easy" on the forum (ok ok i know im not very techie minded..but i am sure you know what i mean )

I know what you mean and I disagree with your conclusions.

AA

[Céline]

Yes i know you are very busy...but you need to understand the implication of your postings here...

Beyond the Dragon world..

I am a witness for the harmony between the archetypical light and the archetypical darkness, Celine.

That is balance...

and i disagree...you do NOT offer balance...your views are one sided and do not have room for both.

Being a witness is like being neutral IMO..

in my judgement that means you are going to do nothing...and that is what i fear.

we all have lives outside of here abrax...you are here by choice...

[TruthWillSetUFree]

I have only read a few things on the thread it does not resonate with me especially when he goes into mathmatical equations. For me he could be making it up or copy and pasting something he read. It doesn't matter because I don't read it.

It looks to be the same way our government is treating us, guilty before proven so, watched by the mods to see it he messes up, like big bro watching us, and I think there is something to be said about free speech in here somewhere, oh yeah, like walking on a very thin line!

Are we becoming the very thing we say we abhor? Next time you get angry at the way tptb surveil us, or are accused of something you didn't do, or are in jeopardy of losing your free speech, I hope you think of this thread and who you were being here.

AA I am not advocating what you do here, I wouldn't know what to advocate because I don't understand any of it and I didn't want to. It all sounded like gobbledey gook to me, and frankly I don't want to be a dragon thank you very much.
I do think you have a place and a role here in PA for those that find your words helpful or inspiring.

PA is like the world in that we get to choose where we put our attention, what we choose to believe and the people we surround ourselves with. It is our choice and precisely why PA is a good playing ground to practice this discernment.

If it is not for you walk away if it is enjoy...let's not malign our guests here.

I believe PA is stong enough on its own with all the good people of love and light to keep the necessary
vibration of love high, acting like this to another only lowers this vibration of love.

PA will always be dualistic in nature, that is, it will always be dark and light because that is the nature of our world, you cannot rid yourself of the dark b/c you are part of the dark as well.

People of light you have your job and that is to be light not worry if other people are of the dark.

Even Jesus said "Get thee behind me Satan" instead of arguing with him or fighting him. Just be concerned with yourself and your journey.

I wish everyone love and most of all PEACE:wub2:

Truth

[Céline]

something to be said about free speech in here somewhere, oh yeah, like walking on a very thin line!


I wish everyone love and most of all PEACE:wub2:

Truth

it seems if we dissagree with abrax..or perhaps even challenge his beliefs...we are accused of preventing free speech..

free speech includes our right to disagree..

Oh and..i may want him banned...but i am NOT a MOD...juts a person with an opinion..

Abrax allows me my opinion...why wont others?

amazing...this thread goes on and on...as long as it is agreeing with it...

if someone comes in and says...This is not the truth...they are accused of trying to imped free speech...

i suggest some need a refresher course on what freedom means.

i have not been mean..i have been honest...and i have offered love to all and to abrax..

perhaps some may see LionHawks words as abrasive...but...i believe this thread needs what LionHawk is adding...

does abrax fear contradiction?

do you?

[islandman]

Abraxasinas,

I want to thank you for all the work you put into
this thread. It is one of my favourites since I joined
avalon. I dont often reply to many threads, but I read this one
often and wanted to express my thanks and to encourage you to
keep up the good work.

I cant admit to understanding everything that you say, but I find everything
I read here intriguing.

I personally get a positive feeling from your information and I feel you present
it with respect.

[TruthWillSetUFree]

it seems if we dissagree with abrax..or perhaps even challenge his beliefs...we are accused of preventing free speech..

free speech includes our right to disagree..


i have not been mean..i have been honest...and i have offered love to all and to abrax..

perhaps some may see LionHawks words as abrasive...but...i believe this thread needs what LionHawk is adding...

does abrax fear contradiction?

do you?

Sweet dear Celine

Please do not take my words that way.

I said I didn't resonate with the message here, I was talking about why we have to villify a poster, that is all.

With all due respect, it seems this is making you quite angry, I don't understand why.

Words do not have that power over me, ultimately I get to say how an experience goes for me. If a thread ever made me that upset I would look within and try to understand why.

Love means allowing all to be who they are without making them wrong for it

Keep being who you are sweet, kind and loving and life will show up according to your perceptions

Love to you

[abraxasinas]

Thanks
Originally Posted by abraxasinas http://projectavalon.net/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=241567#post241567)
Hi All!


All of You are wavefunctions in what you term your soul or cosmic IDs.
All of You are particle functions in embodiments of your individualities.
This is advanced quantum mechanics and quantum entanglement.
Our master templar represents the wavefunction encompassing the entire universe including ALL of you.
Our master templar so ALREADY IS within you all as a 'collapsed' wavefunction within your individualised particle functions.
To PROCESS our dragon master within yourselves so becomes prerequisite to allow HISHER collapsed wavefunction to become an ENCOMPASSING wavefunction around your individualised particularised merkabahs of your souls.

This 'PROCESS' that you speak of here that expands the collapsed wave function within our merkabahs is what? (can you define the 'PROCESS''?

Sure bigmo!

This process is what is the 'promised' LIGHTBODY for the humanoids entering the hitherto astral dimension (7D hyperspacetime (as Michio Kaku's hyperspacetime) or Roger Penrose's Twistor spacetime technically).

In Luke.24.43 and (implied) in John.21.13; the 'lightbodied' Jesus eats and drinks with the apostles after 'walking through closed doors' in John.20.26.

40And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.
41And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?
42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
43And he took it, and did eat before them.
44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
46And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
47And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
48And ye are witnesses of these things.


12Jesus saith unto them, Come and dine. And none of the disciples durst ask him, Who art thou? knowing that it was the Lord.

13Jesus then cometh, and taketh bread, and giveth them, and fish likewise.
14This is now the third time that Jesus shewed himself to his disciples, after that he was risen from the dead.
15So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.

The so called resurrection so relates to an advanced quantum mechanics, which could not be rationally understood two millennia or even 50 years ago, but can become 'rationalised' today through the advances in the abstract formulations of mathematical archetypes.

This is actually behind the reason as to WHY the prophetic timeline in the 'holy books' could not hitherto be fulfilled and so many 'The End is Nigh' 'doomsayer' were found out to got their timings 'wrong'.
All of them nevertheless did tune into the appropriate archetypology, which became POSSIBLE through the physical resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth as a hologram for the cosmos - and so MANIFESTING the primordial 'Cosmic Man' aka Vitruvius aka Adam Kadmon aka Purusha aka Pigeradamas aka aka, known about in all of recorded history.

The story of the 'process' then of course is described most potently in the 'Gospel of Thomas' (which I often quote here as the uncorrupted testimony of our master templar in the year following this resurrection of April 1st, 31 AD and the 'metaphorical' ascension of May 10th, 31 AD.

So to summarize; one must literally EAT the ascended christbody to allow the waveformed CHRISTWAVE to COLLAPSE within.
This is defined by the Logos in:

(07) Jesus says:
"Blessed is the lion that a person will eat and the lion will become human.
And cursed (anathema) is the person whom a lion will eat and the lion will become human."

Jesus is the Lion of Judah (Revelation.5.5) and heshe is also the true image of the false image of Yaldabaoth, the fake-God of the Old Testament as Jehovah with the Lion face and the Serpent's tail.
{Reference is the Secret Book of John of the Nag Hammadi library}.

All the 'prophecies' in the New Testament about the Armageddon relate to the destruction of the 'false images' and NEVER to actual souls or beings 'doomed' to 'The Lake of Fire and Brimstone' (the latter BEING this 'New Lightbody merkabah' encompassing the Old humanoid 4D spacetime form in a 5D hyperspacetime form.

That is why 'one will be taken and one will remain' as the 'sheep and the goats' of the 'last judgement', refers to one's own 'shadow image' as a fake image; just as WITHOUT you looking into a mirror, your fake image would not optically exist in such a senario.

The 'brimstone' will become the maleness and the 'fire' will become the femaleness in the lightbodies with the 'lake of the christbody' encompassing both in unity.

So the 'Second Coming' is a totally individualised process, as is the armageddon.
You either are able to 'Let the resurrected christbody' out to encompass you as a 'Christened Starhuman' or you fail to release this christbody and so remain 'trapped' in the 'lion's' belly, having eaten you by default of the physical factuality of the resurrection rendering the old Particle-Bodyform of Jesus of Nazareth as an all encompassing waveform.

Now bigmo, having understood this, at least in generality; will then allow you to read the 'Gospel of Thomas' and UNDERSTANDING the process.

http://www.geocities.com/mwgrondin/5thGospl.htm

Feel free to ask clarification on this most important topic. Your future as a 4D experiencing soul or as a 5D experiencing soul depends on this process.




Failing to do so, will, as said above - kill you in the collapse of your particle functions to try again to ACCOMODATE your own Thubanese Dragonhearts.


Nevertheless, the actual such 'selfchosen' participating members of these forums presently (and this is a Thuban estimate and not as yet authorized by the Logos) would not exceed a count of about 5.
It is hoped, should the data transmission from Thuban continue; that this early count can become greatly multiplied in the next two years; with March 28th, 2011 a decisive 'harvesting point' however.

So to the 'challengers' and the 'defenders' alike - you know who you are; the Thuban Council wishes to extend its gratitude for implementing such a great job (Aye you ALL are and have the JOB in the Old Testament) done in bringing forth the great polarisation in miniature - the 'spiritual war' between the Father of all Lies and his image of the Father of Truth.

Yet, they are one and the same across a divide, which shall destroy the fakeries and the falsehoods.
All but the 1 in 50,000 will be subject to these falsehoods in bringing about the Dark Shining Light of the New Gaia.

So everyone but the 144,000 will participate in the 'falsehoods' of the Antichrist? So can there be any hope for discernment for others?

Yes, your first statement is true and necessary because the Logos has defined this as such.
Yet, there is a caveat and this engages what is called the 'first death and resurrection' and the 'second death' in Revelation.

Revelation.20:
4And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The 'first death' is what most today understand as 'dying', the higherD soul leaving the 4D spacetime container.

Because of the change in the spacetime configuration; this 'simply leaving' for the astral and etheric journeys will become disrupted (read David Wilcock and many other related sources and channels).

Also you should know, that the 1000 years are also the 'Day of the Lord' and so this Day will vary for individuals and groups in accordance with their ability to manage this 4D-5D shift.


2Peter.3:
8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

The 'beheading' also does not mean physical beheading, but a 'loosing of ones mind' in the view of the 'unsealed' majority.
Remember that the Revelation makes the clear distinction between the 'sealed in the forehead', the absence of this sealing implying the 'mark of the beast' and the 'unsealed'.

The 'second death' is the manifesto of the selfrelative timelines of the 'eternity' once the 'new status quo' decreed by the Logos has become implemented.
These are the souls 'outside the gates of the New Jerusalem' (which is many things, including a city of light in the sky encoded in Ezekiel as a Mother of all motherships; a hologram of this city in all of the 'redeemed' as encoded in Revelation.21,22) which do not enter into the 'new city', despite the gates being open for their admittance.

So what is the caveat mentioned earlier?
It is the cosmic archetypology of the 12 apostles say as the 12 starsigns of the zodiac and as the 12 sons of Jacob/Israel with the 13th starsign being Dinah as the serpenttamer as the sole mentioned (and so defined) Daughter of Israel.

The 144,000 so already INCLUDE EVERYONE having a birthday under one of the 12 tribes.
Here is the correlation:

1=^=ARIES=[R]ED Ruby=Brotherhood Simon&Andrew {Luke.6.14;John.1.44}as Reuben-Simeon via Bethsaida/LeahExodus.28.17
2=_=TAURUS=[O]RANGE Sapphire=Adopted Brotherhood Andrew&James{John.1.44} in Bethsaida-Zebedee as Simeon-LeviExodus.28.17
3=`=GEMINI=[Y]ELLOW Golden Beryl=Brotherhood James&John Zebedee {Matthew.10.2} as Levi-Judah via Zebedee/LeahExodus.28.17
4=a=CANCER=[L]IME Peridot=Adoption of John Zebedee by Jesus {John.19.26-27}with Pharez-Zarah Breach in Judah/Dan/Bilhah{b↔a}Exodus.28.18
5=b=LEO=[G]REEN Emerald=Adopted Brotherhood Philip&Nathanael {John.1.44}as Dan-Naphtali via Bilhah{a↔b}
6=c=VIRGO=[T]URQUOISE Topaz=Adoption of Matthew Levi in Brotherhood with Bartholomew in Naphtali-Gad breach in Bilhah/Zilpah{d↔c}
Renaming of Alphaeus to Thaddeus for Leah-Rachel Continuity
7=d=[C]YANAZURE=Brotherhood Matthew Levi&Judas Thomas implemented as Gad-Asher via Zilpah
Bilhah-Zilpah breach reharmonised in renaming of Nathanel to Bartholomew for{c↔d}
8=e=SCORPIO=[A]QUAMARINE Beryl=Judas Dydimos the Twin with James Alphaeus then mirrored in

13=[=OPHIUCHUS=Dinah as Mary Magdalene the Female Shadow for the Unity of the 12.

9=f=SAGITTARIUS=BLUE Sapphire=Brotherhood of James Alphaeus &Judas Alphaeus in Issachar-Zebulon/Leah
10=g=CAPRICORN=NDIGO Lapis Lazuli=Renaming of Judas Alphaeus to Judas Thaddeus with Simon Zealotes as LeahTail=RachelHead
11=h=AQUARIUS=[M]AGENTA Hyacinth=Adopted Brotherhood Simon Zealotes with Judas Iscariot as Issachar/Leah-Joseph/Rachel
12=i=PISCES=[P]URPLE Amethyst=Adopted Brotherhood Judas Iscariot/S(P)aul of Tarsus in Benjamin/Rachel

7-8=Sons of Bilhah
9-10=Sons of Zilpah
6-11=LeahTail-RachelHead
12=Opening of the inner circle in Judas Iscariot
1-12=LeahHead-RachelTail
Aquarius=Joseph(Manasses=USA+Ephraim=Commonwealth)
13. Matthias with Simon Peter and Justus with Paul of Tarsus and 72, 144, 288

Then anyone able to BECOME ALL STARSIGNS in the 13th will AUTOMATICALLY be One of the 144,000 without individuation in one of the tribes. In effect such a 'graduate' will enter the Council of Thuban as one of the 24 Elders (again to be translated individually and collectively simultaneously).

(52)
His disciples said to him: "Twenty-four prophets have spoken in Israel, and all of them have spoken through you."
He said to them: "You have pushed away the living one from yourselves, and you have begun to speak of those who are dead."

Revelation 4


1After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.
2And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
3And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.
4And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
5And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
6And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.
7And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.
8And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, LORD God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
9And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
10The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
11Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

I shall not further elaborate on the caveat at this stage in the evelvement of the timeline.
So to your second statement; there is always 'hope' as no part of prime creator will EVER 'Be Lost in Essence' as intricate part of Godself. Many many false ideas, mental images and perceptions will however 'burn in selfthought constructed' hells of divers sorts.

Sirebard Beardris

[Céline]

Sweet dear Celine
Please do not take my words that way.
With all due respect, it seems this is making you quite angry, I don't understand why.
Love means allowing all to be who they are without making them wrong for it
Love to you

i have not tried to villify anyone..

if i have please forgive this misunderstanding..

Forgive me as well if you feel i have shared my concerns in a negative way..this is not my intent.

Love is part of a balance...to negate negative emotions is to prevent balance from occurring....i am not angry at Abrax, i fear the consequence of his agenda.

i am hurt and intimidated somewhat by people who have expressed that i am in some way trying to prevent free speech..

Free speech is a very grey affair imho..

as a parent..i want my kids to be free thinkers but i do NOT allow them to just say anything they please...

with all my love , Trans... thank you for your patience and your warmth.

Your words are kind and warm , thank you.

[Myplanet2]

it seems if we dissagree with abrax..or perhaps even challenge his beliefs...we are accused of preventing free speech..
free speech includes our right to disagree..
Oh and..i may want him banned...but i am NOT a MOD...juts a person with an opinion..
Abrax allows me my opinion...why wont others?
amazing...this thread goes on and on...as long as it is agreeing with it...
if someone comes in and says...This is not the truth...they are accused of trying to imped free speech...
i suggest some need a refresher course on what freedom means.
i have not been mean..i have been honest...and i have offered love to all and to abrax..
perhaps some may see LionHawks words as abrasive...but...i believe this thread needs what LionHawk is adding...
does abrax fear contradiction?
do you?

Hi Celine.

I didn't get the idea TruthWSYF was talking about you in the post you quoted with this response.

The only really disturbing thing I've read since the Spiritual "warrior" returned to hack away at the "evil", is Richard's presumptuous comment that "the jig is up for all to see" and the invitation to "leave with dignity". That was disturbing, as it came from a mod, without taking off the Mod Hat and labeling the personal opinion as such. When Moderator's personal opinions become criteria for control of the forum, then the neighbourhood is gone. That's what schmecked of what I've come to expect from tptb types out in the polarized world of our societies.

Abraxasinas has exactly the same rights and responsibilities which come with membership here as everyone else.

Personal biases, prejudices, perspectives, orientations, inclinations, etc, are just that. Personal. Someone doesn't need to be wrong in order for someone else to be right. That's so Old School now, it hardly fits in my consciousness anymore.

There's room for everyone to state what they see, believe, understand, know, and think, and room must be maintained for others to do so as well, otherwise we exit this game out the bottom once again, instead of out the top for a change.

I suggest to any mods reading this, to maintain an objective separation between personal and official postings in contentious threads. It was once suggested that if a mod felt compelled to state personal opinions on one "SIDE" or another of an issue, that they go through the visible action of taking off their mod hat first, so all could see it was personal rather than coming from "forum staff".

Regarding your opinion that Lionhawk brings something needed to the thread, Nobody can dispute that opinion as it's just that. Opinion.

My opinion, is that Lionhawk brings an ancient and long since dissipated polarity to the present moment which makes me ache, literally, for balance and harmony. Would I deny her that opinion? no. Do I feel it's a needed energy? No, not for the majority. Some late wakers may need that level of polarity to kick start their wake up, but for people like me who have come a long way towards "cleaning up" our various energetic fields and mental bric a brac, it's a lot like extinguishing a match with a tsunami.

On balance, I consider Abraxasinas as a positive here. The part that doesn't "do it" for me, is as I've stated elsewhere in this thread. Just too complicated for most to grasp. But I don't say that's wrong. Just more a matter of talking over peoples heads.

I did a guided meditation some months back, which took me to a place of divinity within my sacred heart. It was a space personal to me, where all of my personal records for all of eternity are stored. It's my space. As I roamed the halls of my space, I came across these large pink crystals of my previously stored knowledge. What I discovered, was my key to access to this knowledge. All I had to do, was to aim my attention at these various crystals, and the knowledge within would come pouring out. One of these crystals poured out the exact type of mathematical representations that Abraxasinas posts here. And as with Abraxasinas' scientific postings, I had no clue what I was talking about either. It had the same over my head flavour as Abraxasinas work here does. But since I had my experience with my own personal knowledge base long before Abraxasinas started posting this Thuban material, I can not really discount it as meaningless, simply because I don't understand it. I can't even understand what I myself thought worthy of storing in ages past!!! What it comes down to, is that I am currently using a different "seat" of consciousness than the one I used to work with that data. It doesn't matter that this bit of my consciousness sitting here now doesn't understand it. I certainly understand it on another level where I am not currently consciously aware.

We are multi dimensional beings who have hidden much of ourselves from ourselves. This is in the process of being undone, by none other than ourselves. But the twilight zone of semi remembrance/semi forgetfulness can be awkward.

One of the biggest things I have yet to finish my personal processing on is one from the next level of polarization above this taking and enforcing/inhibiting of "sides". It's that I reject others trying to revert people who are emerging from the energy of polarity back down into it, for no other reason than that they are themselves deeply polarized and can see no other way forward, but through the personal mess they have themselves created within their own consciousness. So I guess you could say, I'm polarized against enforced polarization. And it doesn't matter whether it's polarized pro or con the positive or negative. That is no longer of consequence. It's the compulsion to split everything into sides and then take one. That I feel is kind of a been there...done that energy which can now be laid to rest, unless someone feels it's too cuddly to put down just yet.

[Céline]

Abraxasinas has exactly the same rights and responsibilities which come with membership here as everyone else.



i have never argued that point.

And there is no "right to be here"

This is NOT a public place...as the MODS have told us members time and time again...


MyPlanet2...i know you are a very wise and learned person, and i have taken much in from all your posts...

Being a MOD on PA or PC is not an easy Job..neutrality is not the same as balance..

i would prefer the MODS be balanced..then neutral..but that is still just an opinion ..and as you stated...it is just simply that..one loving persons opinion...

[Myplanet2]

i have never argued that point.
And there is no "right to be here"
This is NOT a public place...as the MODS have told us members time and time again...
MyPlanet2...i know you are a very wise and learned person, and i have taken much in from all your posts...
Being a MOD on PA or PC is not an easy Job..neutrality is not the same as balance..
i would prefer the MODS be balanced..then neutral..but that is still just an opinion ..and as you stated...it is just simply that..one loving persons opinion...

The key word was membership. Everyone has the same rights and responsibilities which come with membership. Membership is not a right, but participation within the guidelines is, once membership is granted. Then the rules apply to all equally, unless they are applied unequally. My point is that mods should not mod on threads where their own issues come into play. I know they know this. It's a bit different for them, because they carry the ban stick around with them, and the regular members don't. So Mods can affect members in ways that members can not affect the mods. And if Mods want to post their positions on one side of an issue or another, they should let people know their are speaking as a member and not as a mod.

[Oliver]

Gaia Love: At this time Abraxas is not breaking any guidelines but may be aiding in creating new ones.

Viking:Anyone here (Avalon) with intentions to steer mind towards evil intent will be caught out eventually.

Friends, with all due respect, are you serious? "New guidelines"?! "Evil intent"?!
I will tell you something.

There is an historical sentence by the notorious Cardinal Richelieu: "Give me any sentence by any person, and i will find a reason to hang him!"

Also, there is Danthe Alighieri`s verse: "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"!

Be careful, friends...not to enter totalitarian model of thinking.
Principles of freedom are universal.

Love&Respect

[GaiaLove]

...And if Mods want to post their positions on one side of an issue or another, they should let people know their are speaking as a member and not as a mod.

Quite right, Post edited and enhanced for clarity and the division of personal and official replies.
https://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=241521&postcount=1155
[My Reply as a Moderator]
The current stance for mods here is one of neutrality when it comes to inter personal issues between members. When it comes to threads/posts neutrality is not part of the equation as the guidelines dictate what can and cannot be posted.
At this time Abraxas is not breaking any guidelines but may be aiding in creating new ones.
As for your point Céline that his posts keeps you away. That is not a bad thing. :original:



[My comment as a member]
Abrax, the jig is up, for all to see. The Honorable thing to do is leave with dignity.
This thread and the topic is not what Avalon is about. I Have listened to many members complain that its content is a abomination to what PA stands for.


[My comment as a member of the Human race]
A few years ago I would of taken a totally different approach here and the world would of been better off. However, Avalon and Life experience since then has made me a better person. As such I can now turn my back on this thread and the verbal diarrhea herein.

[To my Beloved Céline]
Your love for the human race has never faltered and has over time changed my contempt for the species which has raped this planet. I have love and hope in my heart mostly because of you. This lizard and his followers do not deserve your attention. Their loss. dont waste anymore of your time and emotion here. it's rather pointless.
Love U:wub2:

[abraxasinas]

Abraxasinas,

I want to thank you for all the work you put into
this thread. It is one of my favourites since I joined
avalon. I dont often reply to many threads, but I read this one
often and wanted to express my thanks and to encourage you to
keep up the good work.

I cant admit to understanding everything that you say, but I find everything
I read here intriguing.

I personally get a positive feeling from your information and I feel you present
it with respect.

Thank you Islandman!

It is refreshing to hear your statement of receiving positive vibes from these messages from Thuban. This manifests a harmony of balanced intuitions.

You also may remember the saying that "No Man is an Island onto himself', by the poet John Donne.
And yet the master templar also states:

(49) Jesus says:
"Blessed are the solitary ones, the elect. For you will find the kingdom.
For you come from it (and) will return to it."

(68) Jesus says:
"Blessed are you when(ever) they hate you (and) persecute you.
But they (themselves) will find no place there where they have persecuted you."

So it is sometimes rather beneficial to be a harmonious unit onto oneself.

Thank you again and the Peace of the Elder Dragons be with you.

AA

[TruthWillSetUFree]

Hi Celine.


One of the biggest things I have yet to finish my personal processing on is one from the next level of polarization above this taking and enforcing/inhibiting of "sides". It's that I reject others trying to revert people who are emerging from the energy of polarity back down into it, for no other reason than that they are themselves deeply polarized and can see no other way forward, but through the personal mess they have themselves created within their own consciousness. So I guess you could say, I'm polarized against enforced polarization. And it doesn't matter whether it's polarized pro or con the positive or negative. That is no longer of consequence. It's the compulsion to split everything into sides and then take one. That I feel is kind of a been there...done that energy which can now be laid to rest, unless someone feels it's too cuddly to put down just yet.

:thumb_yello: Thank you MyPlanet2 for putting my own thoughts into such an eloquent way.

This thread is beginning to remind me of a song....Pick a little talk a little pick a little talk a little cheap cheap cheap talk alot pick a little more

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbhnRuJBHLs

One must maintain a sense of humor in life

I am signing off this thread

Peace AA, sorry to post off topic here:wub2:

[beren]

I will repeat or better quote for you Dragon since you like to borrow from God`s word:

Genesis 3:15
So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this,
I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel."


Your head is crashed Dragon, soon -forever.
The very day you killed Christ was your last day of existence. Any plea you had was sealed . Your doom is sealed.

You can quote Jesus`s words and add more to it as many times as you please, He will be your eternal judge.
Still you can take a form of light ,wisdom and power. But your stench and fruits you bare are highly visible.You are a liar and murderer.

Remember that cosmic law, a law from Creator?
What you sow -that you reap.

You sowed lie, murder,deceit,evil.

You will reap eternal condemnation.
Your destruction will be an example forever in the entire universe that there is no other power and there is no other who can be called god or creator -than the one who created all.
There is no other power than love.

[THE eXchanger]

why do you quote things by 'jesus'
when 'jesus' is 'the name' used by the satantic churches on earth
for a soul who had a different name ???
hasn't that name been 'inverted' and,
'had a lot of ****' tossed on him/and, his real story has never been told ?
what are the consciousness units of this being you call...'j'
wasn't he connected to the serpent people or amurus of venus ?

[abraxasinas]

why do you quote things by 'jesus'
when 'jesus' is 'the name' used by the satantic churches on earth
for a soul who had a different name ???
hasn't that name been 'inverted' and,
'had a lot of ****' tossed on him/and, his real story has never been told ?
what are the consciousness units of this being you call...'j'
wasn't he connected to the serpent people or amurus of venus ?


Good question Susan!

I use the (Greek derived) name of Jesus, because its vibration of the 74 is the most powerful one in common utility and is also ubiquitous in usage, however 'used in vanity' by the vast majority of believers and skeptics alike.

JESUS=74=MESSIAH=CROSS=ENERGY=BEAUTY=SONGS=CLOUDS= MELODY=LUCIFER=MAKE HOPE=OVERDEAD=...47=JOHN=BEAST=MUM reversed and D.I.Y.

I sometimes use the more 'New Ager' labels of Yeshua and Yeshuah in certain historical contexts to accentuate the Hebrew; but manifest the alphanumeracy through the decreed 'Seed of Isaac' in the anglosaxon ABC.
It is because the PTB are well aware of this archetypology in their plans to effectualize a parallel agenda to the Thuban one; that the 'anglosaxon' agenda, say as presented by Bill Ryan in his latest broadcast uses the same labelings.

No, there are no inversions or manipulations of the archetypes in first order, as the true nature of the 'Satanists' and the 'Dragon Worshippers' (these are not the Thuban dragons btw, though they use a common symbology) is different than what has been filtered for the general populance.

The Jesus we call our master templar is rather different from the Jesus 'worshipped' in the churches. It is the latter which has become manipulated in existence and in truth by editors and the rewriting of the human histories.

But you are correct in associating Jesus with the Serpent people. Heshe indeed IS the SERPENT=PRESENT=97=SON OF MAN=CIRCLE OF GOD in the archetypical garden of Eden.

The Lord God 'walking in the garden' and NOT knowing where Adam is, is the Fake God Jehovah aka Yaldabaoth.
This is well documented in the gnostic archives of Nag Hammadi, say in the 'Secret Book of John'. It is also well known by a minority of researchers in all fields of endeavour here on planet earth.

The 'giveaway' is the notion of an 'almighty God' NOT knowing where Adam is.
Now this is the other 'proof' of this in scriptural terms.

There are two creation events in Genesis.
Adam+Eve are created as a 'Two in Oneness' in Genesis by GOD (not Lord God).

Genesis1:
26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

Now note that there is NO COMMANDMENT what to eat and what not to eat and such things. AdamEve=Us=Them are the TRUE IMAGE of the True GOD.

Then after this, the sixth day GOD 'retires' for the Sabbath and suddenly the GOD becomes changed to LORD GOD, because ADAM has become GOD in archetype (there is no physical universe as yet).

Genesis2:
2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,
5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.
6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
8And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.
9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Now note, that ADAM is quasi-physically (meaning in say a program of genetics and not as yet as a physical embodiment) created from his AdamEve archetype by the LORD GOD.

The implication then becomes that next EVE becomes dependent on ADAM as one of his ribs and this in effect destroys the prior metaphysical harmony in the creation, say a perfect YX|XY chromosome reflection becoming YX=male and XX=female, the Y+rib=Y+1=X.

This also establishes a direct feedback mirror between Adam as God and his creator Lord God.

The crux of the matter then becomes that the LORD GOD must be a Fake-God WITHIN spacetime confronting a physical Adam+Eve 'mucked up' creation with the REAL GOD remaining in a selfimposed exile outside of spacetime in a Void=Nothingness=Eternity.

The LORD GOD=Image of Adam WITHIN and the LORD GOD=Image of GOD WITHOUT.



Genesis.3:
8And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
9And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself

AA

[TRANCOSO]

Dear Trancoso!

I considered replying to your Dutch sentence indeed; but decided not to, because you did not translate for all readers unfamiliar with the Dutch tongue.

I did in no manner 'search' the web or forum to 'decipher' your enigmatic message, but simply engaged in other tasks.

I could say to you:
"Das monstroese Tier ist und ist nicht und doch ist, ist von den Sieben doch der Achte und geht in die Verderbung".

Would you bother replying to this?

Then I could say:
"The monstrous animal is not and yet is, is of the seven yet the eighth and goes into perdition."

I also could say:
"Het monsterachtige dier is niet en is nog, is van de zeven nog de achtste en gaat in ondergang".

Your original saying translates to:

"Ja, lekker dan, zo ken ik er nog wel een paar!"

"Ja gut dann, so kann ich es noch wissen wie im Paar!"

"Yes, well then, so I can know it as a pair!"

Your wisdoms and riddles belong to you and you are privvy to share them if you so desire.


I am not here, nor am I required to by my council, to PROVE anything to anything or anyone - are you?

AA

Abrax: NOT EVEN CLOSE!!!:roll1:

[Anchor]

and i belive that applies to more then just posting to his thread...thereis a need to reflect deeper on LionHawks words..and yours viking.

Prehaps Lionhawk should set up his own thread and answer questions that pertain to his own wisdom and knowledge.

We always see polarised views expressed on this forum, Lionhawk is just as capable as catalysing them as abraxasinas (recent posts proove my point) - or if we put the effort into to it, you me or anyone else.

It is my belief that NO HARM IS BEING DONE BY THIS THREAD.

My challenge/question to those who wish to answer it is, if you think that assertion is wrong - back it up.

A..

[Céline]

].

My challenge/question to those who wish to answer it is, if you think that assertion is wrong - back it up.

A..

back it up..

ok fair enough .

May i ask though to clarify what you mean as proof? Do you wish to see documentation? A presentation on my point of view?


i also ask if you , Anchor , could respond to me in private..

firstly ..i feel vulnerable, when i expose my points of view to publicly..and secondly, i am tired of hijacking abraxas's thread and being the focus of peoples anger.

i have no issue with criticism, i actually thrive on it..i want to know more and learn to ...understand this and other points of view.

Yes i agree Lionhawk should start his own thread.

i also want to encourage abraxas to read and comment on other peoples threads...You may learn something about us, that could surprise you abraxas.

i know this thread takes up a lot of your time, but there is so much more to PA , then just your soapbox...

in hopes to hear from you soon Anchor...

*celine steps off the soap box and goes back to her flowers*

[ellie]

I cannot speak for other members but a lot of Abrax's posts are exceedingly difficult for me to even try to work out. I don't think I have got a high enough IQ to even try to put his posts into something I can understand.

The crux of the matter is I am trying to figure out where he is coming from and just when I think I could be, I read another of his posts and I am back to square one.

If he could put it in simple words for me to understand exactly What the Thuban Council is, what they are trying to say and how that can help me or other people on their journey I would be very appreciative of it.

You know I will say it, if I could get it in laymen's terms it would be helpful to me. I seem to going round and round in circles getting nowhere, sometimes plain and simple for a lot of us would be a big help.

[Anchor]

I cannot speak for other members but a lot of Abrax's posts are exceedingly difficult for me to even try to work out. I don't think I have got a high enough IQ to even try to put his posts into something I can understand.

There is no shame in this. I dont think many people understand everything that is said on this thread (ie: said by abraxasinas or for that matter many others posting here).

One of the core themes is that you know all this stuff already and there is a sort of tuning process going on.

If I sense this correctly, Abraxasinas, as the Thuban representative Sirebard Beardris, is operating here under the maxim of non infringement of freewill. One of us (it doesnt matter who) has to ask questions -thus giving "permission" for triggered data releases to be encoded here in our language for us all to read.

Each of us, in addition to the original questioner is entirely allowed, at thier own option to accept or reject any such data.

It is entirely possible that for the moment, many of us may not be able to tune to the essence of the data and its wider meaning. Thats ok. It doesnt matter. There is plenty of other things to see and do :)

One can be illuminated by a passage of an otherwise obsure text in much the same way as a butterfly can land on you and then fly off again, and in doing so start a cascade of thoughts leading you to an important conclusion. Inspiration comes in many ways - one of them, for some, are a few of the posts on this forum and by extention this thread.

The notion that any of the above is in someway malevolent or evil is, in my opinion, a fear based reaction. This reaction is based on a misunderstanding or, or mistuning to what is being said and some projections based on life experience and the natural distortions that we as humans are working our way through at this time.

It is all ok.

A..

[Anchor]

Celine,

Sorry, my comment was not aimed at you specifically. It was a mistake for me to comment your post in this way - I was not singling you out and I am sorry I posted that way, it was an error.

Everyone,

I am not asking for proof - I did not use that word. I just wanted to see more than innuendo and would like specific examples of things or characterstics that people are seeing on this thread that would/could cause harm or be "negative" - or be an "abomination to what PA stands for".

I am very aware that there are people (members and moderators alike) on this forum that do not like the influence that abraxasinas's thread has commanded over an area of the forum; or the perceived message/agenda contained in this thread. Personally my suggestion would be to fight fire with fire in this regard, simply come up with something equally popular and thought provoking.

I am especially interested in why people feel it right to choose what should or should not be permitted in the attempt at answering legitimate questions posed on the forum - which contains within its purpose debate and understanding of humanities future spiritual and energetic evolution.

Many have dismissed abraxasinas's information and I fully delight in the freewill that allows this, many have not - and it cuts both ways. I for one, without exercising any admin/moderator bias, find abraxasinas's posts interesting, and I fail to see any harm coming from them.

Lionhawk has posted an equally interesting series of messages that I find are somewhat confrontational in nature but are done in a considered way that does not damage or at this point attack or cause harm (thus they stand).

It is clear that Lionhawk's repositories of information are deeper than average and I would like to see more come from that (please!) - maybe on a different thread.

Abrax, the jig is up, for all to see. The Honorable thing to do is leave with dignity.

I don't see it, which is why I am asking for it to be spelled out. In what way is there a risk of dishonor? (A serious question for a serious accusation)

Personally all this talk of changing the forum guidelines in a way that would not permit this kind of thread is not fair, nor (in my view) substantially accurate.

A..

[Jonah]

Speaking of serious accusations... I think it's time to take a couple of deep breaths...


Still you can take a form of light ,wisdom and power. But your stench and fruits you bare are highly visible.You are a liar and murderer.

Remember that cosmic law, a law from Creator?
What you sow -that you reap.

You sowed lie, murder,deceit,evil.

You will reap eternal condemnation.
Your destruction will be an example forever in the entire universe that there is no other power and there is no other who can be called god or creator -than the one who created all.
There is no other power than love.

[orthodoxymoron]

abraxasinas...I haven't been following this thread...due to it's difficulty, complexity, and obscurity. I have wished to take a couple of days to focus on it exclusively. The time may have arrived for me to do so. I wish to see both the forrest and the trees. Thank-you for taking so much of your time to answer everyone's questions. Forgive me if a lot of the following questions have already been asked. To me...taking a long, hard look at Solar System Governance (SSG) is the key to extricating ourselves from this mess. This includes looking at who controls DUMB and Secret Space Program activities throughout the Solar System. It includes an honest and penetrating look at Theology and Theocracy. It includes why we are here...and how we got here...and any major ancient or contemporary binding deals which were cut with Human or Non-Human Races. There may be some deals and situations which have existed for thousands (or millions?) of years...which may be nearly impossible to get out of. If we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden...what are our options...exactly? Are various Earth Nations in league with various competing Alien Nations? Who really and truly are the three major factions in this Solar System? We need to look at the very deep and hidden underlying factors, factions, and individuals who really determine what goes down in this Solar System. Who really writes the scripts. Someone does. I keep feeling that we are running out of time...and that we are actually living on borrowed time. I feel that we should beware of Cornered Megalomaniacs. If we push their buttons...they might push some very nasty buttons. The answer...my friend...may be deep beneath the Western United States...and the United States of America may have very little to do with it. Is the Subterranean United States really Babylon?

Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the Annunaki? With Nibiru? With Aldebaran? With Sirius A? With Sirius B? With the Pleiades? With Andromeda? With Interdimensional Reptilians? With the Greys? With ET Humans?

Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Zionism? Teutonic Zionism? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the United Nations? The Vatican? The City of London? Washington D.C.?

What are the ten most important binding documents, agreements, covenants, and treaties in the Solar System?

Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Gabriel? Michael? Lucifer?

Who are the Founders or the Ancients? Where are they? Who are they loyal to? Who is loyal to them?

Are the exotic 'Secret' Technologies and Nuclear Weapons Really Ancient Human Technologies?

Are the 'thus saith the Lord' statements in the Old Testament really Reptilian statements?

What is the true nature of Original Sin and the War in Heaven?

Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This Solar System?

Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This World?

Who owns and operates the Solar System?

Who is Babylon in modernity?

Who owns Humanity?

:original:Namaste:original:

[GaiaLove]

I don't see it, which is why I am asking for it to be spelled out. In what way is there a risk of dishonor? (A serious question for a serious accusation)

Personally all this talk of changing the forum guidelines in a way that would not permitting this kind of thread is not fair, nor (in my view) substantially accurate.

A..


I cannot spell it out more than I already have in the past.
I am very intuitive and when this person first posted here many will remember my reaction.
I stand by it. I know evil when i sense it.
I am not in a position to do what should be done so I watch and wait.
It is, a matter of time.
I just hope the damage is repairable

[abraxasinas]

Excerpt from post #75 on thread: What was Jesus then?

Originally Posted by Providence http://projectavalon.net/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=43439#post43439)

One very powerful statement made in the Secret Gospel of Thomas which truly resonated with me is this:


"Let one who seeks not stop seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be disturbed. When he is disturbed, he will be astonished and will rule over all".

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating. What WAS he speaking of? Truly something much more than the physcial, yet, something still among us, even now, just out of reach.....another dimension

I read a fair amount of Elaine Pagels work and I have just purchased a book called The Third Jesus by Depak Chopra.

A note on Christianity... as others have said.. the parallels between Christianity and Mithraism are uncanny. And why shouldn't they be? Mithraism was one of the competing (and popular) belief systems when Christianity was in its infancy. The virgin birth was but one of the many cross-pollinating ideas between the two religions. All completely fascinating.

Fascinating, absolutely fascinating. What WAS he speaking of? Truly something much more than the physcial, yet, something still among us, even now, just out of reach.....another dimension



Richard T. replied:

He will be disturbed because he will realize that everything he had based his evaluation of reality will dissipate, because he will meet himself at the other hand of the tunnel and realize that who he meets is more real than who he was. His beliefs will be annihilated. He will be astonished because he will find reality to be greater than what he could have imagined, because he will have access to the mysteries, to everything that was hidden, and he will rule because it is through him that what he will have found will rule. All will be ruled, even the hierarchies who work under the laws of domination and who used those laws to render humanity insignificant, limiting it to beliefs and refusing it the right to know.

All churches, all religions have recuperated the coming of the Nazareen, of the avatar of Pisces, to bend his words to their own advantage and power. All religions have been used within a sphere of comprehension that was limited to beliefs. None have ever really explained, none have ever really unveiled what was behind the words. The words were used as shields against the spirit they carried.

So that today, those who believe are left with a caricature that they try and imitate.

The problem is that people don't read by vibration. They study the form and the vibration is replaced with the cultural value of the words, which of course is different according to the diverse transcriptions and translations, to languages that were created within the limited scope of experimental consciousness based on ignorance and manufactured concepts that in turn were used to steer the destiny of nations at the expense of the individuals. So, the spirit of the letter was lost and today people adore the letter as an icon.

Abraxasinas comments:

Indeed, this passage in the Gospel of Thomas is the most profound statement ever made by any sentience at any time in the universe.
This saying did NOT derive from a human or ET mind, but stems from the Cosmic Logos of Creation.

Anyone understanding this particular saying through a thinking heart and a feeling mind would become enabled to translate the 'hidden meanings' of Jesus' words in the New Testament and so become familiar with his mission as this Logos of the Universe.

The 'trouble' with the interpretation of Providence is, that heshe assimilated hisher own attempt of decipherment with the 'expertise' of others, such as Elaine Pagels or some theological-historical academic authority or some other 'expert' like Deepak Chopra.
Iow, the attempt of decipherment becomes an exercise in second-handedness.

It is ok to do so, but the final illumination cannot be found anywhere, but the World Logos of Jesus itself and in communication with the individual Logos of the discerner.

The archetypes of Christianity originate from the same source as the symbols of all other religious philosophies like Mithraism, Zoroasterism, Buddhism, Hinduism and Islam.
So a convergence of the mythologies is to be expected.

The 'trouble' with Richard T.'s response is, that he misunderstands the function of vibrational discernment with respect to the processor of this vibration, namely the aformentioned coupling between a thinking heart and a feeling mind (to use one form of labeling).

The vibrational energy of the saying is omnipresent and for anyone to 'tune into'.
But this vibrational energy must be PROCESSED by the receiver and if the processor experiences interference from ingrained mindsets, tunnel vision or natural biases as part of individuated worldviews, then the 'vibration' will be filtered by the processor in a personal and egocentric manner.

Then, and as is the case in Richard T.'s reply, the actual 'Purity of Form' relayed by the archetype cannot be discerned in its most elementary function.

As a consequence, Richard T.'s first paragraph circumvents the core meaning of the saying.

"Let one who seeks not stop seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be disturbed. When he is disturbed, he will be astonished and will rule over all".

"He will be disturbed because he will realize that everything he had based his evaluation of reality will dissipate, because he will meet himself at the other hand of the tunnel and realize that who he meets is more real than who he was. His beliefs will be annihilated. He will be astonished because he will find reality to be greater than what he could have imagined, because he will have access to the mysteries, to everything that was hidden, and he will rule because it is through him that what he will have found will rule. All will be ruled, even the hierarchies who work under the laws of domination and who used those laws to render humanity insignificant, limiting it to beliefs and refusing it the right to know."

When one finds (the actual PHYSICAL presence of God within), then the heart-mind (or feeling-intellect) realisation of this as a fact, will OPEN a Channel to the Universal Logos.
Metaphorically, the 'thinking heart' of the receiver/finder will RESONATE with that of the Cosmic Christ via a mental attunement of the so labeled 'feeling mind'.
This 'proves' that the saying cannot be understood by the mind, unless the communication between the Individual Logos and the Christ Logos is pure in resonance.
This process so requires the RECEPTOR MIND of the Finder to reflect the processed information back to the EMITTER MIND and EMITTER HEART of the Source through the EMITTER HEART of the Finder.

The disturbance (in the mind) eventuates, because suddenly the switching of polarity between mind receiver and heart emitter allows the seeker/finder to be omnipresent and to suddenly appear to accomodate a multiplied personality.

In practical terms, one is enabled to BE the environment, to BE the ant crawling on the wall or the dog one takes for a walk in the park.

The astonishment derives from this as a consequence of becoming a hologram of the creation. The environment becomes miniaturized within the seeker/finder and so nothing exists except yourself and then of course you RULE OVER YOURSELF as the Creator-Creation of All That Is.

This 'rulership' so is not a Lordship over anything else in existence; but in actuality defines the plan of plans of using a protoverse as a seedling universe for many universes to be born from.
This protoverse is hierarchical in environmental nestings; say your garden graduating to your park, township, city, country, planet, starsystem, galaxy, groupgalaxy, supercluster, universe.

The seekers/finders so become inaugurated as such multiversal seeds of the archetyped protoverse defining the Creation-Seed before the thing (Physical Godhood) is found by the seeker.

AA

[Lionhawk]

Greetings.

When I first posted up on this thread, I had no idea that this thread had bothered many here. But apparently I wasn't the only one where those flags went up. Now I have stated that Abrax here as done an amazing and blazing amount of work that is way impressive. I'm not taking that away from him. I wish there were more people who would write their own original work with some substance than a lot of the dodo that get's copied and pasted up. I am more interested in experiences from those I know instead of someone I don't know. All I ask is that you do it with integrity. Otherwise, I can just turn on the TV and get some manurey type story, saving your time and mine.

You know..............you can't help but see some of the responses with your name on it. And for the sake of the Mods, and to be as respectful as I can be, what I will say is that some of those responses are only from lack of awareness and or experiences. If we all had the same experiences and the same awareness, there would be nothing to give us a separate character. What remains here is that I am who I am and you are who you are. Some of us have been warriors. Some have not. It all depends on what stations you chose for soul growth. You also can tell who is a warrior and who is not. I am not the only warrior here. Then again, I also know my way out of a barn. I could say that not only am I hacking at evil but I would rather not be hacking at the manure being pooped out by someone who had a hussy fit and left and only came back when I left. Now that I have returned, hacking at evil, as I was accused of, I find the same cow pooping again. Hilarious really. Also just a distraction from what is really going on here.

Now to walk in a Dragon's Den is a little different than a barn. At least in a barn you know that manure management is usually in the stalls. But in a Dragon's den your guess is as good as mine. And mind you Abrax that this analogy that came from someone's conscience and not mine.

Someone also tried the group lynch mob scenario technique as to imply we all felt the same way about this thread. I have only one question for that person. How many barbecues have you been too? I think everyone has their own feelings here. Everyone should be able to express what that is. You don't have to like it. But it should be respected as long as it is tactfully done. I say that because what I have seen demonstrated took courage to do and it was done straight up. Even if I don't agree with what was expressed or even if I do, is not the point here. Someone showed a lot of true grit and character by voicing what was bothering this person and this person was at least honest about that. I can work with that any day of the week as compared to others doing the back stabbing or pooping in your way. At least I know where I stand in either case. That showed heart to do that.

Now back to the issues at hand. I asked what needed to be asked. At least the question that no one else here did ask. They at least now know the chicken is out of the bag and someone did ask the question. The question that they never did want you to ask. Think on that.

Here's another deal for you. You know why some or a lot of this doesn't make sense for you? Because it is from their paradigm and not yours. It's almost like going to China and not knowing the language, the customs and traditions, and here you are trying to bridge all that with some Chinese person who doesn't speak good English. Same analogy but the same kind of results. All these different Arch types are also vying for position in the now. What I now have determine is that one shoe doesn't fit all. And most of them are trying to define you in their shoe box. When you are not in their shoe box to begin with. That is also why my valid questions that I posed were not answered. Also as to why the question of AKA was so far off the mark with the answer that was presented. Why, because he doesn't know who I am and doesn't have access to that by using the channels that are available to him. There must be a reason.

So what is it going to be? Ascension or Dragonhood? And why would anyone in their right mind choose to go from an Oxygen based life form to a Hydrogen based life form? Why move into a lower density element? Why deny yourself the process of creation that the Creator had already intended for you in the first place? To compromise that process by being exposed to a belief system that will not be sustainable within the future of this Universe? You think the grass is greener over there? These same beings who were banished here and you are going to go kiss their butts after all they have done to our human soul family. And the innuendo that I am coming from a hateful mind. What? I got to say that again. What? Excuse me! I came here to this thread to establish a truce and an answer to all parties involved. I didn't come here to start a war. I am trying to avoid one. While Abrax is here dazzling you with his brilliance, maneuvers are taking place right now, right under your noses, and someone wants to make stupid comments about how disturb he is by me showing back up. What? That doesn't even compare to what is being played behind the scenes and if you think researching it on line, makes you a complete researcher, we are all going to be doomed with that kind of mind set. I also don't care what anyone thinks of me. I didn't come here to be popular. I'm not running for office. I don't take my orders from anyone on this Planet. I am here as many of you are to assist in the ascension of Gaia. That is my agenda.

I am also sorry that the many who are trying to learn think everybody is doing the same thing they are doing. You always learn but some of us have graduated and that is hard for most to understand or even accept. They think we should be like them staying in school. For some of us school is like over with and you have to go finally walk the walk instead of talking the talk. Experience is getting out of that chair and putting what you know in some form of action. If you stay in the chair to long, you will be conditioned to just reacting. Kind of like sitting in front of a theater screen watching a movie.

Another thing I want to point out is that it would seem we are the prize. All the agendas I have seen point to that. So it is my position at this time to see where this Dragon goes as if you know the basics, an agenda is at work here. By what numbers I have seen, he has a tough job ahead as far as the recruitment process. The number ratios indicate that. And I am a supporter of free speech and no rules as none are needed when things are approached with honor and respect for others.

Alex Collier mentions a new place of knowing. Establish one. You want to do it in this thread, then you might want to ask for the credentials first. Which was skipped in my mind. So don't go blaming other people for your feelings when you didn't take any responsibility to ask those basic questions in the first place. If you can't get verification from this council and at least have an introductory meeting to establish your Dragonhood club, then consider what you haven't been considering.

My apologies Dragon. You left me not much of a choice here, but I understand why. I bid you another great day and I hope there are no feathers in your chicken dinner. (Innuendo) that was the name of the chicken. And I guess all of my questions have been answered by not what was answered.

Lionhawk leaves the den.

[abraxasinas]

abraxasinas...I haven't been following this thread...due to it's difficulty, complexity, and obscurity. I have wished to take a couple of days to focus on it exclusively. The time may have arrived for me to do so. I wish to see both the forrest and the trees. Thank-you for taking so much of your time to answer everyone's questions. Forgive me if a lot of the following questions have already been asked. To me...taking a long, hard look at Solar System Governance (SSG) is the key to extricating ourselves from this mess. This includes looking at who controls DUMB and Secret Space Program activities throughout the Solar System. It includes an honest and penetrating look at Theology and Theocracy. It includes why we are here...and how we got here...and any major ancient or contemporary binding deals which were cut with Human or Non-Human Races. There may be some deals and situations which have existed for thousands (or millions?) of years...which may be nearly impossible to get out of.

If we are Prisoners of War on a Prison Planet with Grey Guards and a Reptilian Warden...what are our options...exactly?

Simple ortho, internalise the lot. Put the 'Grey Guards' as a galactic hive-race into a cell in your kneecap and 'imprison' them within yourself in a metaphorical association and a topographical map-making.
You can map entire continents in an atlas, thus is the nature of a holographic universe.

Are various Earth Nations in league with various competing Alien Nations?

Yes, the alien nations map onto the kingdoms of the minerals, the flora and the fauna found on this planet. As the environmental vectors 'compete', so do the aliens.

Who really and truly are the three major factions in this Solar System?

You appear to have made up your mind about them. It is now your responsibility to 'map' them and to 'give them live' in your capacity of the cocreatorship.

We need to look at the very deep and hidden underlying factors, factions, and individuals who really determine what goes down in this Solar System. Who really writes the scripts. Someone does. I keep feeling that we are running out of time...and that we are actually living on borrowed time. I feel that we should beware of Cornered Megalomaniacs. If we push their buttons...they might push some very nasty buttons. The answer...my friend...may be deep beneath the Western United States...and the United States of America may have very little to do with it. Is the Subterranean United States really Babylon?

The United States is clearly archetyped as the 'Church of Laodicea' in Revelation. Away from this definition, many associations and correlations can be made by individual co-creators of the physical-emotional-mental realities. These labelings then are not required to be congruent in a general convergence of the 'individual creative licences' of the authorships.


Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the Annunaki? With Nibiru? With Aldebaran? With Sirius A? With Sirius B? With the Pleiades? With Andromeda? With Interdimensional Reptilians? With the Greys? With ET Humans?

All of this is 3rd and 4th order labeling and your labels would be as valid as anyone elses on this level of the taxonomy.
I have given the higher (2nd) order labelings, linked to say the four beasts of Revelation and according to Thuban before:

North=Earth of Arcturus=Bull of Luke=Pachyderms of Samaria
West=Air of Sirius=AngelMan of Matthew=Canines of Jerusalem
South=Water of Pleiades=ScorpioEagle of John=Cetaceans of Jonah
East=Fire of Andromeda=Lion of Mark=Felines of Judah

1=KHU=SPIRIT=ELECTROMAGNETOMONOPOLIC WORMHOLE RADIATION
2=AB=HEART=VIBRATORY RESONANCE SOURCESINK EIGENSTATE
3=SAHU=YANGMIND=BODYWAVE=PARTICLEWAVE QUANTUMNATURE
4=BA=SOUL=HOLOGRAPHIC SELFSIMILAR WAVICLE MERKABAH
5=SEKHEM=YINMIND=WAVEBODY=WAVICULAR QUANTUMNATURE
6=KA=ASTRAL MINDBODY=INERTIAPHOTONIC VIBRATORY EIGENSTATE
7=KHAT=BODY=SINKSOURCE INERTIAL RESONANCE SELFSTATE

1=Kinship of WhiteSkins of Father-Sky in a Rainbow Arcticus Cyani
2=Kinship of BlackSkins of Mother-Earth in a Rainbow Antarcticus Magenti
3=Kinship of GreenSkins of Elemental-Child in a Rainbow Indianus Oceanis
4=Kinship of YellowSkins of Elemental Fire of the Lights in a Rainbow Pacificus Boreas OutSim
5=Kinship of BrownSkins of Elemental Earth of the Lands in a Rainbow Atlanticus Eurus InSim
6=Kinship of BlueSkins of Elemental Air of the Winds in a Rainbow Pacificus Auster InSim
7=Kinship of RedSkins of Elemental Water of the Seas in a Rainbow Atlanticus Zephyrus OutSim

1='The Land of my Lost Sheep and my Found Goat'=EPHESUS---{Revelation.2.1-7}
2='The Land of my Origins in the RNA'=SMYRNA---{Revelation.2.8-17}
3='The Land of my Grapes and Sounds in Om and Noises'=PERGAMOS---{Revelation.2.12-17}
4='The Land of my Theatres and my Crowns'=THYATIRA---{Revelation.2.18-29}
5='The Land of my Rising in Sadness and Hope'=SARDIS---{Revelation.3.1-6}
6='The Land of my Oracles of Love and Poles'=PHILADELPHIA---{Revelation.3.7-13}
7='The Land of my Loaded Dice and Lead in Coins'=LAODICEA---{Revelation.3.8-22}


Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Zionism? Teutonic Zionism? Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom?

Your labels are as good and valid as mine.

Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) the United Nations? The Vatican? The City of London? Washington D.C.?

All of them.

What are the ten most important binding documents, agreements, covenants, and treaties in the Solar System?

The 10 principalities as published here numerous times.

Which nations, religions, and races are associated with (or are in league with) Gabriel? Michael? Lucifer?

All of them.

Who are the Founders or the Ancients? Where are they? Who are they loyal to? Who is loyal to them?

Alex Collier calls them the Paa Taal. I call them the Thubanese. many ETs circling the earth know them as the timetravelling starhumans.

Are the exotic 'Secret' Technologies and Nuclear Weapons Really Ancient Human Technologies?

No.

Are the 'thus saith the Lord' statements in the Old Testament really Reptilian statements?

Yes, basically this is correct if you qualify your statememnt by understanding that these (analytic) 'Reptilians' are NOT 3D entities, but astral and etheric entities. These 'Reptilians' are however physical in the fauna you can observe in a reptilian park or a zoo or the wild.

What is the true nature of Original Sin and the War in Heaven?

Good question ortho. SIN=IGNORANCE Period. The 'war in heaven' is a war of archetypes between the True God and the usurper God, who IS the true God's Image in a Mirror. Understanding this, will allow you to understand what the unified duality or polarisation represents in the greater order of things.
YOU ortho are BOTH God physicalised AND imaged in a Devil-God in the mirror you are looking into.
So 'shattering the false images' in a archetypical mirror (the SEA in Revelation from which the 'Great Beast of Babylon' ascends from) will HEAL the cosmic fakery.
The 'war in heaven' so circularises a linearised system in the Red Dragon BLENDING with a Blue (Christ Dragon) to neutralize the colours in triplicities:
Red+Green+Blue=White (in Radiation) AND =Black (in Paint)
Anticolours are:
Cyan/Skyblue+Magenta+Yellow=White (E=hf quantum law) AND =Black (E=mc^2 Einstein law).

The 'chucking out' of the Red Dragon from heaven (Revelation.12) onto the earth so allows this BLENDING to become happenstance in the earthplane as a miniature universe.
This frees heaven (the ETs 'above the earth plane) but puts the pressure onto the earth - for the processing and the 'war on earth' - between spiritual archetypes (it does NOT have to be physical, but will be, because the earthlings do not understand the power of the archetypes).



Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This Solar System?

You may name them yourself in your ambassadorship of Adam and as a Son of God {Genesis.2.19}.

Who are the Gods and Goddesses of This World?

The dozing and slumbersome humanoids.

Who owns and operates the Solar System?

God, the Logos and the Laws of Nature.

Who is Babylon in modernity?

You are - and your brother and Jim Smith and Sharon Jones.

Who owns Humanity?

You do - and your brother and Jim Smith and Sharon Jones.



:original:Namaste:original:

AA

[abraxasinas]

There is no shame in this. I dont think many people understand everything that is said on this thread (ie: said by abraxasinas or for that matter many others posting here).

One of the core themes is that you know all this stuff already and there is a sort of tuning process going on.

If I sense this correctly, Abraxasinas, as the Thuban representative Sirebard Beardris, is operating here under the maxim of non infringement of freewill. One of us (it doesnt matter who) has to ask questions -thus giving "permission" for triggered data releases to be encoded here in our language for us all to read.

This is the core of the situation Anchor, yes, thank you.
The point is also, that once a question on some topic has been asked, the answer to this particular question can be elaborated upon and much data can so be given.
I also may state decisively, that the technicalities in the data are, as you and say myplanet2 have realised, NOT unknown to everyone becoming exposed to this information.

There are three basic levels of human consciousness.
The Waking consciousness is 293 parts from 343 or so 85.423%.
The Subconscious is 49 parts in 343 or so 14.286% and the superconscious is 1 part in 343 or so 0.29%.

So on the superconscious level, the Thuban data is universally known BY ALL on this forum, skeptics and beneficers alike.

But the 86% will DOMINATE the human processor in the 3D mentality in most cases; especially when it comes to 'reading words', ideas and concepts.
Forum participators here represent a 100fold contraction relative to the general populance; not in having 'less ego', but in having more 'allowance' to at least 'CONSIDER' certain, often called esoteric information.

Nevertheless, the actual processing of these 'Dragon Words' is at an introductory level, slowly engendering the subconscious 14% to allow the awakening of the superconscious.

Shalom to All - the 'spiritual work' required is being done.

AA


Each of us, in addition to the original questioner is entirely allowed, at their own option to accept or reject any such data.

It is entirely possible that for the moment, many of us may not be able to tune to the essence of the data and its wider meaning. Thats ok. It doesnt matter. There is plenty of other things to see and do :)

One can be illuminated by a passage of an otherwise obsure text in much the same way as a butterfly can land on you and then fly off again, and in doing so start a cascade of thoughts leading you to an important conclusion. Inspiration comes in many ways - one of them, for some, are a few of the posts on this forum and by extention this thread.

The notion that any of the above is in someway malevolent or evil is, in my opinion, a fear based reaction. This reaction is based on a misunderstanding or, or mistuning to what is being said and some projections based on life experience and the natural distortions that we as humans are working our way through at this time.

It is all ok.

A..

All is Ok - the Council of Thuban and I agree and the below is YOUR STORY and reason for BEING Here at this point in timespace.

WE BECOMING - The Story of a Gnostic Charm of a Pearl of Wisdom

Once upon a time, I lived in the land of my father and my mother and my brother.
Because I was so young and inexperienced, I had to go into a foreign land of great
perils, dangers and temptations - to learn many things and also to help my parents.

My dear father had lost a precious pearl there a long time ago, when he was visiting that foreign land to court and marry my mother.
Yet my father knew that he would lose his most dearest treasure in meeting my
mother.

Alas, he was so lonely in his castle and he wanted children and no fair maiden
could be found anywhere in his kingdom.
So my dear father sacrificed his pearl for a family and sent his sons and daughters to
retrieve it for him when the appropriate time had come.

My dear brother, being next in rank, came into the perilous land to meet the serpent-
king who had found my father's pearl and who guarded it very jealously.
My brother was however the result of my father's loss and so after becoming our
parent's pride and joy, he had to return to the kingdom without our father's precious
pearl.

Many years did pass , but when the time was right, our parents desired to regain
their common treasure, the pearl my father had used to love my mother and to beget
their firstborn son; and I was asked to go and see what I could do.
Before I left the kingdom, my parents gave me a thing to take , nothing really, but
yet a heavy burden because of its lightness; it was so light I could carry it all by
myself.
But my wonderfully fitting clothes I left behind, when I set out to search for my
parent's lost treasure.

And so I parted from my guides as soon as I had entered the perilous land of the
dragon and proceeded to do the solitary work my parents had sent me to do.
I was a stranger to all the people except one after my own kind, an inheritor of the
ancient crafts and wisdom and a daughter of the kings and queens of old.
Her I trusted and she and I agreed on taking care of each other in the dangers we
would be facing from the many monsters and dwellers in the serpent's land.

For that purpose I put on my unclean clothes, so as not to arouse suspicion towards
myself.
But they cunningly found out to themselves that I had come from a foreign land; they
beguiled me and I forgot my work and my heart fell asleep as I served their dragon
king.

But the love of my parents and the memories of my past were written in my heart,
so that I would not forget what I had come to do when I had left my king and queen.
My parents got deeply concerned about my sleeping my time away and it was
decreed, at the gates of our kingdom, that a message should be sent to me.

The letter was signed by my father who wished for me to think of him, and by my
mother who had waved me good-bye and had asked for my love; and by my brother
who craved to help me in my work.

The message I received came by way of an eagle, the emblem of my brother's
testimony regarding the honour, the grace and the beauty of our mother.
And just before my brother did return from his birthplace, did he ask me to provide for
our mother and to look after her many inheritances.

And so the same right hand of my father which had the power to seal and which he
had used to court my mother, this same hand had sealed the message for me in a
strange melody of song and speech.

I awoke to this wondrous happening; I kissed the messenger and I fell in love.
And my love remembered my heart and the broken seal revealed the way to fulfil my
mission of retrieving my dear father's lost pearl.

And so I used my magic to enchant the terrible and snorting serpent.
The charming thoughts of my unsealing lulled the dragon to sleep when my father's
name became the serpent's name and my brother's name moved a little and my
mother's name was joined to the name of the next in rank.

And so did I take my dear father's lost treasure from the dragon who snorts and
who bites his very own tail.
I took off my unclean clothes from that foreign country and proceeded on my mending
journey back home towards the east.
My unsealed letter remained next to me, like a Beloved and guided all my ways.

When I had arrived home, I put on my beautifully fitting garments, which I had left
behind and in the care of minders and I suddenly realised the unity and altogetherness
of my very own self.
Two could be apart, each with its own burden, and yet two could be together as one
in two and two in one.
And my clothes were moving with the wisdom and the words of all in one and one in
all and I perceived the acts of my upbringing in my father's house to relate to my own
growing selfhood.

And my love had urged me on to meet the minders of my garments and I relished
the beauty of their colours and the royal splendour of the movements of the him in
her and the insights of the she in him.

Then I ascended to the gate of my dear father's great love and adoring her, heshe
received us joyfully in herhis queendom and our dear Father was so happy, that we
had brought our precious pearl to our Mother.

Greetings and Love from the Shalom in Exile!

John of Patmos
　

AA

[gscraig]

I think this is all a parade, and some may be enticed to call me "rain" after reading this post. Correction, I know it is a parade indeed…..

When this thread was first posted, I took issue immediately because it reminded me of others such as Hidden Hand. However, we all have the right of expressing in whatever way we choose, but I believe we all are missing what should be seen here. I've tried things like this before, but sometimes you can't show people what they choose not to see.

All of these messengers have shown up saying that they have been allowed to share information and some only within a certain time frame. Yet, this is followed up with the “only if you ask the question” platform. To which our first response to that should be “No thank you".

Why?

Because if they’ve been allowed to share information, why do we need to ask any questions? By all means let them share what it is they (or whomever has “allowed” them to venture here), have to share with the human species. Secondly, once you allow someone to set the stage as to what you can do and thus ask questions, they can then dictate to you what you will be told or know, and what you will not. Due to the continuous noted complexities of the answers via this thread, why bother asking a question? Better yet, why bother starting this thread with such complex answers to be given to those inquiring? It is all silly, and if not prove it. For you cannot.

If someone, some group truly wanted to share YET ANOTHER message with mankind for our pivotal progression, then surely they can communicate that message to where it can actually be received, absorbed, resonate and move us to action. Such a crucial message also would not be privied to only one website. Now, you would also have to accept that the internet along with "one website" is not a rather "curious" vehicle to communicate such a message for all of humanity to begin with. Remember, taking self responsibility is partly why we are in this hoax of an existence.

Most of you viewing this thread, will not feel or be any closer to any answer or understanding in general, after reading and asking questions on this thread. What’s does that tell you? *Distraction would be a good start.

Ultimately, if there is a grand message to be delivered to humanity, it will simply be delivered, and not become a Q&A session through posters on a forum whom you cannot see or hear.
This also applies to the Hidden Hand material. First HH told everyone what the rules would be before they proceeded. Unfortunately, many blindly “obeyed”. Secondly, HH stated that they were allowed to communicate (per the royal bloodlines/illumined elders, etc) information to us. We should have then immediately allowed HH to communicate the information. Period. Instead of being told and then agreeing through cooperation to the premise of “I can only tell you what you ask me”. Again, the answer can be what they want you to receive, but it could never be the truth from A-Z or the centuries old Illuminati gig would be up. Get it?

So,…Why allow these messengers the time? Distractions indeed.
Please step out of this gullible and slave mindset, and understand that if there is to truly be a pure messenger for the better good of all of humanity, it will not be in such a fragmented format and from individuals whom you don’t know, and can’t confirm. To be honest, it could be someone whom is simply VERY informed on what they believe and studied, therefore being able to hold a Q&A with you. However, again, we have to pause and notice that it is in actuality -WHAT THEY BELIEVE- (or what they want YOU to believe). We all know what that means very well, don’t we?...Another belief system is born and amongst us to ponder. Please......Do not participate with anything that upholds conflicting and confusing information/messages or agendas. For it will simply cause you to pause and miss what you should really be paying attention to.

I shared this in a post a while back, which I think applies here as well...It is now as if the ET's aren't intelligent enough to realize that they are bombarding us with too many messages through different vessels and ambassadors which is making the message untrustworhy, mundane and negligent. I don't think they’re that dumb or desperate to demonstrate such a level of disorganization and flawed contemplation. Do you really think they are staying out of sight for centuries to not impede on our free will, but yet hit us with message and messenger after message and messenger? Please, enough with this hoax and those whom are acquaintances of such efforts. Yes, as I’ve said this before, there are some whom job is to support such nonsense to give it life and credibility on these forums. You have to really look to know what’s going on.

Stop letting outsiders hold court in your kingdoms.

We all choose our paths to focus our intent, but I would like to strongly encourage you to null and void these sporadic "approved messengers and messages" that just so happens to be sprouting up now, oppose to years ago when it would have allowed humanity the time to digest and evolve from messages intended to provoke the greatest good for all.

[Céline]

Stop letting outsiders hold court in your kingdoms.



*smiles as the light grows bright *

Oh thank You...my feelings are so hard sometimes to translate to words...i am humbled and honored to share this world with people like you gscraig...thank You


*celine points to the quoted comment and says to Anchor...that is why*

[Myplanet2]

Referencing some of the side discussion, and without meaning to hold this thread off topic, there are some underlying energetic plays working themselves out here and pretty much everywhere that people doing something towards aiding themselves and others in this shift are interacting to compare notes.

I don't know of a single truthful individual who would say they weren't having a struggle to integrate the changes they are co-creating.

The illusory interface between us has been dissolving. We used to have a much easier time hiding differences than we do now. We each create our own reality, and when we agree with one another, (by frequency matching) we form collectives where co-action and co-creation occur, exactly as planned.

But many of our "agreements" are now under review, because we can no longer really use the mental trick of cognitive dissonance to blend the perceived but overlooked differences. We are being required to move towards personal honesty and integrity, and we set it up that way. The illusions are dissolving and we are why that is happening.

A big example of this phenomenon on this forum is in the differences between those who have recognized the "internal" nature of all struggles, and those who still try to hold them "outside" of themselves. Those who've done their work, (as opposed to those who think they have) can clearly trace every perceived external struggle, contest, conflict, flare up, etc, to a personal internal issue, as it's total source. You can not even perceive let alone fully experience what you are not the vibration of. You see a battle in heaven going on? Right now and right here? Well then you have your own battle integrating your selected "sides" back into a harmonious whole, at the level of your own divine self.

If you are off chasing old demons, as though they are some external beasts which have an agenda of their own which can be in opposition to your own self and your own wishes, then you have simply not recognized how cleverly you have avoided bringing your process home to where it belongs. Every such struggle is only, and can only ever be within you. What messes you up in your attempt to rectify this, is that the law of attraction actually works. If you have failed to calm your internal struggles, they will manifest, because that is the loudest "order to the universe" that you are broadcasting.

The illusions we created, with lots of help and co-operation, have been nearly complete in their apparent authenticity. We did a good job of tricking ourselves into believing these constructions were real. What's real is you and I. That's all. You and I are real, the rest is illusion.

The illusion is now dissolving. The veil is dissolving, and we are left here with the illusory mechanisms chugging away, like the wizard behind the curtain, and we can see through the illusions we placed to enable blending of differing points of view and perspectives.

Think of it this way. Let's say these illusions and their supporting mechanisms were analogous to "manners" and "etiquette" in our social interactions. The manners and etiquette Grease the wheels of our interactions, and permit us to forego the brutal honesty which would otherwise be sitting right there. We say "don't you look good today" while thinking "cake has been very good to you". Or whatever. You know what I mean. Manners smooth social interaction so we can pretend what's really going on behind the scenes, isn't.

Well to continue the analogy, let's say people could suddenly no longer ignore the true intentions and feelings of people using "manners". What would that be like? The grease would no longer smooth the way, and social interactions would become strained.

In a broader sense, this is what is happening in our broader co-inhabited/co-created environment. We've been able to blend the differences between our varying perspectives and viewpoints and orientations and chosen styles of play, into a homogenized illusory mix which was satisfying.

Now it's more like "hey...you're wrong about that. That's not the way it is at all. You're full of it." "You're dropping cow poop, while my magnificent self wields this gleaming sword of righteousness!"

The thing of it is, that every one of us has been creating our own illusions as the cloak of our game piece in this grand play we've been engaged in. Now, we've collectively decided that this game was lots of fun, but is pretty much in the 'been there...done that' box. So we decided to ease ourselves out of it and create a new one. But as the veil disappears, all or our formerly homogenized realities, are no longer blended and we're being forced, by our own decisions and actions, to drop the illusions and wake up to who we truly are.

The polarity in play is internal/external. One is the way of return to self determination as a creator, they other is to fully embrace the victim consciousness, and finally go for the all out battle to end all battles, or whatever name it's being called these days. You either see that it's your creation, or you see some agency outside of yourself is doing the creating, and you are part of the creation and were at some point created. This one is a tough one, because it traces all the way up the line. ALL the way up the line. Which is why it'll be the last one resolved, if it even is in this round of play. It could be that this is the source of the split in timelines many have noticed recently. It could be that some number wish to continue with the illusion that "outside" can impact "inside", and those of us who are truly moving on, will simply create a new playpen somewhere else, and at a different frequency range, where the polarities are not a factor as dissonant or disharmonious elements in the game.

So the observant can see a couple of fairly broad groups which on the surface appear opposed, but in reality are simply approaching their play from opposite ends of the spectrum. We created this place for contrast. And we have full choice and freedom to place ourselves anywhere within that contrast. Those of us who are fulfilled and satisfied with our experiences in contrast, are moving out of them, which necessarily involves recognizing our part in the creation of the play in the first part. If some choose to dally, that is their choice to make. No one can judge another for their choices. Because that is just judgement of ourself for when we made the same choice and weren't particularly happy with the outcome.

The major difference is in whether one has recognized them self as the creator of their reality, or whether they choose to hold onto the "been done to and going to continue to be done to" attitude of the victim.

The loudest voices advocating battling the forces of evil, are actually the terrified little children who've been handed their heads to them once too often in this "OH SO SERIOUS" game of contrast in polarity.

As to Thuban? I don't know yet. I've confirmed the existence of Thuban with my higher guides. But so far don't know how this all lines up. I get mixed signals, personally. Those I have contact with, which I'm satisfied are here for my highest good, repeat often that no being from their level of existence will come and tell us how it's going to be. They uniformly and without exception, maintain our sovereign right to choose without limitations imposed from without, with the only governor being we must also respect the choices of all others. So I don't personally allow that any group is going to come in and give or grant us anything. They can come and participate with us as long as they respect us as equals. otherwise... there's the door, thank you very much.

I see higher truths shining through the Thuban material, but it's just so seemingly difficult to contact. As though it's truly foreign or alien. But that doesn't make it good or bad, right or wrong, or any other polarized thing. It just means it's new here. So I won't judge, unless or until my personal criteria are violated. Which is free choice for us, without limit.

I have personal recent experience with true "Dragon" Consciousness, and things have changed from the days of old. I came upon it quite circuitously, and prior to Thuban's arrival on this forum. I suggest setting aside judgement based on old and dried up archetypes of Dragons as enslaving lizards with an imperialist bent. Much has changed. Where it reminds some of how it used to be, it is simply remembrance mixed with projection.

We are free to move forward by our own choice. outside interference is not a factor. We have the eyes of all of existence on us right now. Any major power plays and interference is coming from our midst. It's not coming from without. That's a projection from that place of victimhood. Humans are the ones trying to steer the outcome this way or that. The ET's who are involved here, are all in some way related to us consciously/genetically and are permitted to work their own agenda's as we are part of them or they are part of us or however you want to look at it. Soul level agreements govern their interactions with us. And we will more fully see that as the veil dissolves the rest of the way, over the next while. The process is being driven along at an often uncomfortable pace, because certain clearings must have taken place amongst a certain balancing proportion of the beings incarnated here on earth. We ourselves provided for friends who would not be drawing a veil of forgetfulness around themselves, to come here at this time to act as alarm clock and gently shake us out of our illusory slumber. We asked them to do this service, because we knew we wouldn't remember. So here they are, channeling through those who arranged to carry out that function in prior agreements, with news of the arrival of the time we preset for our wake up call, and reminders of who we are apart from the illusory cling-ons of artifacts from our 3D playing.

If you believe there is a huge all important battle taking place, great. Have fun with that. The outcome is the same, no matter what path you select in your personal journey. But if you don't think there is any big battle going on, then for you there isn't. Just don't buy into the propaganda that you're in grave danger if you ignore their game. That's just B.S. THEY are in danger if THEY ignore it, because that is the game they are playing. But we all have choice now, and You can simply choose a peaceful, lovely, calm, embracing ascension into your next selected realm of existence for your primary seat of consciousness, and the noise from this distant battle will be like a nearly remembered dream.

[abraxasinas]

An excellent summary of the present planetary (and universal) situation experienced by the cosmic consciousness myplanet2.
Thanks for this reply and I shall colour in your fully integrated description in due time.

Also allow me to thank you for your publicity in regards to the reality of the Thuban sources.

Abraxas

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you for your answers abraxasinas. You are speaking a language which I have yet to learn. I keep thinking...if you can't convince them...confuse them...and in their ignorance...bind them. Just my feeling. I'm very paranoid and disillusioned. I trust no one. So far...in my whole life...I have found no one who has honestly answered my questions...in my language. I end up talking to myself...and answering my own questions. I am my own best friend...and my own worst enemy. I have found no one who I truly identify with. My search continues...but I doubt that it will ever be successful. Nearly seven billion people...and no soul-mate. I often think that I'm not from around here. Maybe I really am from Pleon. Sorry for the rant. No more questions. Actually...I see eye to eye with Buxtehude, Bach, Widor, Vierne, Dupre, Franck, Durufle, Cochereau, Roth, Choplin...and Mother Nature. All else is folly. 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nKImiR7a4zw 2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UE-ZURUeZo&feature=PlayList&p=BA0A2B9250C7BE0E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=34 (I used to be able to play this one!) 3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjqbee8cRyw&feature=related 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fm4knZ1Bm3s&feature=related 5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0XSH1uIHUo&feature=related 6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLnTmKSAlm4&feature=related I guess music is the universal language. Perhaps music is the true basis of ecumenism. Hmmmmmm. Again...thank-you abraxasinas. I am now beginning a complete read of this thread. You are very different...and I respect that. I sense that this thread is partially to help you transition from isolation to communication and fellowship. Just a guess. I sense that you may have been 'above it all' for a very long time...and that it is therapeutic to converse with us 'common folk'...and I am not being sarcastic. I appreciate what you are doing.

:tears:Namaste:sad:

[gscraig]

My Planet2,

If I may?....
In a straight forward way, I sometimes will choose to share my opinion on topics that reminds of "me" of clutter at a time when clarity is desired by all. It is up to you to agree or disagree. Nothing more or less.
Sometimes building a community will require the difficulty of discarding tools that does not erect a new foundation. Even when the tool feels comfortable in the hands.


Okay, so let's say we continue on and obviously by our choosing, await the next message and messenger. This time it is the Coral Reef Group from the 8th dimension thread, and then the next message and Q&A is the channeler for the Federation of Enoch thread, and then the next is the Brotherhood of the Blue Galaxies thread. When it's all done and said, you will be close to where you are right now. That makes us stagnant with a huge amount of information to ponder, but yet that does not equate to creating or co-creating a new anything, yet alone a new paradigm. We have religions that have successfully done this for us and to us already. I will have to pass, and simply suggesting to others to evaluate and assess if they should do the same. Of course, each has the right to simply conclude that I'm some lost ill-mannered soul who is judgemental and fostering a lack of contrasts for comparable note taking.
:mfr_lol:

Now, again this is gscraig's opinion, but we all contribute what we can if we think it will assist in "moving us forward". Does this thread move you and everyone forward? Just some of us? For how long? Why just some of us?

My point is that if it does not move you forward (all of us meaning humanity) Then what is its true value?

We can't co-create a new paradigm when we are being influenced and sometimes trapped by elements of the old.

[GaiaLove]

All of these messengers have shown up saying that they have been allowed to share information and some only within a certain time frame. Yet, this is followed up with the “only if you ask the question” platform. To which our first response to that should be “No thank you".

Why?

Because if they’ve been allowed to share information, why do we need to ask any questions? By all means let them share what it is they (or whomever has “allowed” them to venture here), have to share with the human species. Secondly, once you allow someone to set the stage as to what you can do and thus ask questions, they can then dictate to you what you will be told or know, and what you will not. Due to the continuous noted complexities of the answers via this thread, why bother asking a question? Better yet, why bother starting this thread with such complex answers to be given to those inquiring? It is all silly, and if not prove it. For you cannot.

If someone, some group truly wanted to share YET ANOTHER message with mankind for our pivotal progression, then surely they can communicate that message to where it can actually be received, absorbed, resonate and move us to action. Such a crucial message also would not be privied to only one website. Now, you would also have to accept that the internet along with "one website" is not a rather "curious" vehicle to communicate such a message for all of humanity to begin with. Remember, taking self responsibility is partly why we are in this hoax of an existence .


abraxasinas, I have noticed you ignored my previous comments. Can you reply to the quote above in a less than cryptic form please?

[hippihillbobbi]

Hi everyone --

I'd like to thank Anchor and MyPlanet2 for their wise words and harmonizing vibrations. Discussing multiple facets of an issue should always be a vital ingredient in our authentic spiritual growth, as long as it's done with mutual respect ..... with care to honor one another's divine essence. Thank you not only for reminding us of this truth but also for so beautifully modelling it for us. :wub2:

Abraxas

A few more questions from me:

1) i think i may have asked something along these lines earlier in the thread, so forgive me if i just haven't quite gotten it yet. What i'd like to ask about is the necessity of acquiring esoteric (often "secret") knowledge, as well as embracing what some may call "new-age" or "occult" spiritual practices (lucid dreaming, astral travel, chakra-cleansing, etc.) to the prospect of a successful "ascension" to 4th/5th dimension. IOW, what if you've never read any "esoteric" texts outside mainstream theology (of any stripe), or ever consciously attempted any of the above-mentioned types of spiritual exercises ....... but you DO try to love God, yourself, your neighbor (including your enemy) and your planet as well as you can ....... and you DO maintain an active "relationship" with what you perceive as God, the Source, the Creator of all that is, trusting innately in Her/His intimate love for yourself and each particle of the universe ..... is this ENOUGH to raise the 3-d vibrational frequency of the person to enable his/her Ascension?

2) I'm curious about "saintly" people who have died in the modern era, e.g., Mother Theresa, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Padre Pio, etc. Have they "ascended" yet, or are they waiting for the general Harvest in 2012, or what?

3) In several places on this thread you have stated that we each must "eat Jesus," and the last time you referred to this you even said "eat Jesus physically" (or something like that). I doubt you were saying that we should all participate in a Eucharistic liturgy, as do Catholics, Episcopalians and Lutherans who believe Jesus to be TRULY PRESENT in the bread and wine. So -- could you describe (again, i guess!) exactly how we are to "eat Jesus physically?"

Thank you as always, Abraxas. :cheerful_h4h:

hippihill

[THE eXchanger]

abraxasinas, I have noticed you ignored my previous comments. Can you reply to the quote above in a less than cryptic form please?

we kept noticing many of you,
keep making comments about some of us,
typing in 'cryptic' form

first there are 7 aspects of communication
of which, the written word, is only visiable to the naked eye
so, the written word ~ isn't even one of those aspects

1) light of eXKa(33)vier(27) = 33 + 27 = 60
2) sound of eXKa
3) tone of eXKa
4) frequency of eXKa
5) vibration of eXKa
6) masculine of eXKa
7) feminine of eXKa

and, then 8) the infinite loop of the blending of all 7 aspects
thru the divine masculine/and, divine feminine of all of them
so it eXpressed, as, a unified; and; united force of all of it

we call this - eXKavier

any comments 'a' - on this eXKavier stuff is,
that we have ?

the 9th aspect of it - is the choice, to take words
and, to do a few things with them
ie; read things of importance - 3 times - so; you can discern it,
does it sink in, or NOT ~ it is always a lot more, than, what can be said

hmmm-60
if you know anything about flying
(in a plane) or, under your own powers
there is a rule you use
called the 1/60 rule
the nullification of an item that is mixed
with 60 times its volume of another item
for example a dream is 1/60 of death
or a dream is 1/60 prohecy
or fire is 1/60 of hell
or honey is 1/60 of manna
or shabbat is 1/60 of the world to come
a poster is 1/60 of the full exchange :mfr_lol:
a person who visits the ill takes away 1/60 of the illness
even in organic foods, for an eXample you can have
1/60th in it, that is NOT organic
so, anything that eXists, but, is NOT quite there,
like the bud / or flower of a flower/or fruit
so, that might be termed "one sixtieth."
eXKavier is 60 - so, it holds the all in the all

so much information you are eXposed to, isn't going to do
all the learning for you - you must put your 59/60th's into it

this is much like being eXposed to information

you will likely 1/60th of it, in the first read thru it

read it; 60 times, you are likely to get the all in all of it

the 'real' world is the world of 'will' (17) thru 'eternity" (44)

viviane (37 ) seraf'ina (37) = 74

(there is also the solar grandmother-will get that onto another post)

6 x 10 = 60 33/27 = 60

eXKavier - what are these keys,
we've brought thru in that name exka(33)vier(27) = 33+27=60
NOT yet revealed to this world ?

(we will add to this post = 33) and, also (we will add to this post = 27)

[Anchor]

abraxasinas, I have noticed you ignored my previous comments. Can you reply to the quote above in a less than cryptic form please?

Post 1211 indirectly refers - I already mentioned the freewill maxim - abraxasinas concurred.

[beren]

People you all have a brain inside your skull.
Use it.

Think logically for a second now, everything surrounding us has a reason why it exist,move,dance,breathe,live.

There are forces unseen and laws unseen but mathematically present and very alive,people know that.

So use logic now and bare with me;

Creator has created us .
He loves us and always helps us on our path .
He does not do that by force, he`s offering help by motivation of love towards his creation.

When he speaks to his children he speaks that his children can understand on every level.

Emissary of the Dragon here, or the Dragon himself are constantly quoting Jesus Christ. They go further and even claim that actually Jesus was and is a higher "Dragon", and that Lucifer is his friend .

Further when they explain their stuff here it is extremely confusing and occasionally non aligning with itself.
You find your self reading Abraxinas post and at the end or in the middle of exhausting post you find a small sentence which null files text above,nevertheless he continues further.

I ask you did Jesus Christ spoke like that?
Did he hide truth from his disciples and whom ever wanted with honest heart?
Did he aimed to amaze people with hard -to-know phrases and words?


Pharisee`s did that.
Scribes did that.

How did he named them?

Den of VIPERS.


No matter how hard you try Dragon apprentice, you can`t hide the fact that you lie with cold blood.

You write rants here ,elaborate with confusing data, and bluntly overturn clear words from Bible.
No wonder why sooo many people today don`t trust Bible any more. It is because of your kind, twisters of God`s own word, deceivers of worst kind, trappers of souls.

Nevertheless word of God will judge you;

Revelation 22

18.I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19.And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this

[ellie]

Your a courageous, wonderful, good soul Beren. You stand up for what you know is right and are trying to show the light to the good people here.

I must admit I get very darn confused with Abrax answers especially when he quotes Jesus and the bible in his answers and then throws lucifer in for good measure, that makes my head spin, knowing what I know of the good book, Jesus, lucifer and so on.

When Abrax said that Jesus was a master templar that spun me out, if anything I thought he would have maybe been part of the Essene group.

Someone wrote on this thread that Abrax does play to people's ego who support him and I have read and know this is true.

Your spirit which is not encumbered by 3D has the answers to all knowledge so I suggest you go within and seek answers to this information given there.

[5thElement]

Hello Abraxas,

I briefly visited your website as well as watching this ever-growing thread - you are one busy guy!

I have one question that I am hoping you can shed some light on....

All of my life I have shied away from any religion or spirituality that has a foundation that you must "do, believe, act, look like, be born into, etc" in any specific fashion in order to be "saved, redeemed, spared, evolve, ad nauseam".

This includes having to "know or understand" secret, sacred or complex knowledge that is only available to the "followers". You do state that the knowledge you are attempting to impart with this thread is truly available to all but that we may not be currently able to understand it. However, you also state that only a very few will be able to utilize it to "ascend" to a better place/space ( reminds me of a rapture type statement). Once again - how is that possible if we are all ONE? How is it fair if a majority of the beings we share this world with do not even have the ability to see this information? ( I am not just directing this towards you - it is my "own problem" with this type of material) Most of the information is not translated, it would have no frame of reference for someone not familiar with Judeo-Christian teachings, people who experience developmental disabilities, illiteracy, who are blind, under educated etc. so how can it be the only way? I just do not believe that any "way" that limits it's audiences ability to truly participate and/or promises it's audience that they are (or could be) the only ones, thus creating seperation from their fellow beings - is NOT the WAY.

Ok - so there were a few questions there :sneaky2:
El

[Anchor]

I ask you did Jesus Christ spoke like that?
Did he hide truth from his disciples and whom ever wanted with honest heart?
Did he aimed to amaze people with hard -to-know phrases and words?

Actually he had to, he often had to speak in parables because the core truth was too much for the average man in his audience. To some extent it was necessary to de-tune the message for wider coverage.

I agree that it is better to speak truth with clarity so far as it is possible.

Many times this means not speaking at all. However, on this forum, there are topic titles that can allow people to ignore that which they dont want to read - and it is for this reason I keep asking people to let it be.

I think abraxasinas has demonstrated accuracy with the bible and I dont see where words are being twisted. I myself tend to restrict myself to the reported "sayings" of Jesus since they appear to me to be the least distorted parts of the bible. Since many of them are wrapped in parable, they were probably deemed by the editors to be so open to debate and inpenetrable, they did not require distortion to support any elitist agenda.

[with no particular focus on you Beren...]

Once again I see many here falling into the same old trap of judging the messenger and not the message.

It also seems as if inpenetrable data seriously offends a few egos - I say tough! Deal with it. Have you considered this is one of the distortions we all need help working through? Data is data.

Two sides of the polarised arguement against this thread - on the one hand there is no such thing as Dragons so Abraxasinas is clearly off his trolley - on the otherhand Dragons are very real and us poor humans need protection by the gallant knights in shining armour and experienced dragon slayers. Which is more preposterous? To me neither. Data is data.

What is not preposterous is that questions and answers to those questions yeild pure DATA. Data can be left or worked with - your/our choice.

Context can manipulate that data - but the assembled masses here are not vulnerable chooks that need protection. We are more on our guard against any potential contextual manipulation and trickery; not that I myself have discerned any yet from the OP and subsequent posts - all I have discerened with every fibre of my own intuition is a desire to deliver information/data in the context of the questions asked.

This Dragon (personae) - is providing answers - so far - in what looks like good faith. On that note, Abraxasinas, I have a few more questions of my own for you :

1) to what extent do dragons have a bearing on the functioning of the elite/dark forces currently attempting to control the evolution of human kind on this planet?

2) are there good dragons and bad dragons (where good and bad have the meaning of service to the interests of humanity or service to self, not in the interests of humanity).

3) please re-state the exact relationship between what you call dragon and what you call human.

4) dragon iconography crops up a lot. In the recent video by Bill Ryan one is struck by the number of dragon images in the opening sequence of shots around London, England. Additionally I recently have cosidered that there are the Eastern (I'm thinking about chinese) Dragons who are associated with the power elite - emporers etc - in a more mystical way, and Western Dragons who live in caves and get slaughtered by "heros". Can you elaborate more on the role of the dragon iconography through the human ages? When did it start and why?

A..

[Anchor]

Someone wrote on this thread that Abrax does play to people's ego who support him and I have read and know this is true.

Ellie,

people manipulated in this manner only have themselves to blame. The path is long for them, but all will end well.

Ego is not anyones problem but the person in whom that ego manifests.

You play with fire you get burned, unless that is, you know how to play with fire. [1]

A..

[1] Mental image of GregorArturo firedancing springs to mind :D

[THE eXchanger]

the templar group/and, the Essene group where different grand cycles

[Lionhawk]

Until you confront a real one you will never KNOW. If you do ever have that experience, you are going to be sifting through the data is your britches and it will be to late then. You want all the data, get all the data. Get the real data. The data that isn't written in plain site for you to see. Anyone can be spoon fed with data.

Since when does somebody have the Authority to speak on someone's behalf without any supporting documentation? That's like me saying I can speak for a Mod here at the forum when I have no authority to do so. Just because Abrax here has this so called authority from this council, doesn't mean he has the authority to speak for Jesus. As we all know that the bible was edited and reedited how many times, by TPTB in the first place. So that is why he is using the bible because it was actually taken control over by the Dracs. It serves their purpose and I know that the "data" has been twisted to exploit.

144,000 were chosen. = false = Bible
144,000 must choose. = true = What Jesus actually said.

When Jesus said to find the truth, one must go with in and not with out. Meaning everything you want to know is within you already. The without means that you won't find that truth on the outside of self ie not with out. How much data does one need to make sense of that?

[ellie]

I have a curious mind Anchor as you know. Things to do with why we are here, where we are going etc have always interested me, occult, esoteric, gnostic knowledge that's been my whole interest and direction in life for decades.

It would be nice if there could be a "Thuban Council for Dumbies" book written. This thread is way too long for me to read the total way through it but I am interested enough to want to know the answers to these questions:-

1. Is Abrax a channel for the Thuban Council. If so, when did such communication start?

2. Abrax 3D present life also encompasses that of a Phd in string theory so maybe the way he communicates on this forum is a bit above the level of someone like me and maybe if he took a step back and tried a simpler way it would be easier for people in general.

3. I cannot understand why he infers Jesus and dragonhood in the same sentence, etc.

If anyone else on the forum could explain this I would be appreciative.

I do not agree with you Anchor regarding your statement I think it was (I am not going to go back and look now) that some people are not attuned to the frequency or whatever. I am not sure what your words were, but things should be a little bit easier than that especially if he wants to share the Thuban Council's message to the people of the world in general.:sneaky2:

[Anchor]

Until you confront a real one you will never KNOW. If you do ever have that experience, you are going to be sifting through the data is your britches and it will be to late then. You want all the data, get all the data. Get the real data. The data that isn't written in plain site for you to see. Anyone can be spoon fed with data. But don't take my word for it.

Lionhawk,

It is true I cannot recall at the moment ever having met a "real one" - to me they have all been personae/personifications. I dont deny that. I am not entirely convinced I even know what a Dragon really is and am keen to learn - at least in terms such as you and abraxasinas appear to refer too, and even then you are not in complete agreement with eachother.

I might point out that you have not really been forthcoming about any of this stuff either. The deal with you is: "I know, you dont, take my word for it". I shall attempt to cut to the bottom of what I think you have said in more paraphrased detail:

1) I, Lionhawk, know about and have history in dealing with Dragons

2) Abraxasinas does not totally conform to what I know about dragons - he either isn't one or "must be a young dragon" that doesnt know a lot about what it means to be a Dragon

3) Dragons are not nice and destroy humans and if left to it, themselves.

4) You are all potential chicken dinners - take it or leave it - caveat emptor. Don't expect me to haul your ass out of the fire, even though I might do that anyway because I am here to help.

In case you havent worked it out yet, I am not scared of either Dragons or Dragon wranglers. There is a reason for that, and I am guessing that you probably know what that is.

A..

PS: You added stuff to your post after I read it and wrote this, my comment above does not address that.

[beren]

Actually he had to, he often had to speak in parables because the core truth was too much for the average man in his audience. To some extent it was necessary to de-tune the message for wider coverage.

I agree that it is better to speak truth with clarity so far as it is possible.

Many times this means not speaking at all. However, on this forum, there are topic titles that can allow people to ignore that which they dont want to read - and it is for this reason I keep asking people to let it be.

I think abraxasinas has demonstrated accuracy with the bible and I dont see where words are being twisted. I myself tend to restrict myself to the reported "sayings" of Jesus since they appear to me to be the least distorted parts of the bible. Since many of them are wrapped in parable, they were probably deemed by the editors to be so open to debate and inpenetrable, they did not require distortion to support any elitist agenda.

[with no particular focus on you Beren...]

Once again I see many here falling into the same old trap of judging the messenger and not the message.

It also seems as if inpenetrable data seriously offends a few egos - I say tough! Deal with it. Have you considered this is one of the distortions we all need help working through? Data is data.


A..

Anchor,
I disagree with you on few points.

1.
Abraxinas quotes Bible and continues with abstracts explanation which have little or no common sense related to particular verse.
Bible has layers but bear in mind that often what is written means exactly that. Satan (which means adversary) is the one who complicate things in order to confuse and lead astray people to his own aim.
Just remember the scene from Eden; God said do not eat for you will die...Satan comes and says;" Really? Is it that ,that God actually said-no he knows that...lalalalal..." Twisting and complicating simple things and statements. That is a sign of a mind which is cunning. Also that kind of mind lures in people who naturally have tendency of abstract thought and like mental challenges so they fall as easy prey.Bear in mind that no matter that we are to inherit the kingdom and be rulers in universe ,as Bible says to humans ,we are not there yet. And Satan knows this ,being a spiritual being far older than we.He knows tricks and ways to deceive.
Never forget that.
Abraxinas goes away ,far away with explanation.

2.
You stated that Jesus spoke in parables to de tune understanding, that was my point too.
Where you find clarity in Abrax posts?
Where does he really try to explain things?
His replies drags questioner deeper down in confusion plus he tend to contradict himself.

3.
This is a distortion as you said. Saying "don`t judge the messenger" is passe in this case.
He claims that he represent in essential a high order of Dragons.
I am offended since he in order to win some here lies constantly.
What exactly have in common truth and a lie?
He essentially says that white is black and black is white.
When asked a simple question he slippery whines off. Into complicated equations ,rants,long posts in different colours,which in order to be seen makes you switching from electric to minty all the time,so poor people quit in half of his answer here...Who does that? What does he hide ,why is he afraid to stand in the light? Oh-light shows all...What kind of cunning person you must be to think even about this small tiny details in responses in order to more confuse and burden people,so that they will quit reading and finally think :"well he must be right ,look at all this intellectual post here...!" ?
That do not pass with me.It has a name - weasel.

He partially quotes the Bible ,whatever soothes him.
But the very Bible says that Dragon ,that ancient serpent will be destroyed.
Very Jesus for which he claims that actually is higher Dragon will destroy the Dragon and all of its kind.


I am not and will not be one with the kind that killed and still kills humans.

Every human should ask himself that question.
Are you one with Dragon kind or human kind?

There is no peace and love between those who raped,killed,lied,deceived humans through out history -and us.

And if all this is a game for them, well count me off your bloody games Dragon & crew...

P.S.

I will finish with this, what ever Dragon knows about all,from technology,ascension and whatever- it is a lesser knowledge.
You feel when you read his answers,a cold blooded ,calculated persona.
You don`t feel love,compassion,humbleness.

What does that tell you in the first place?

[Anchor]

I do not agree with you Anchor regarding your statement I think it was (I am not going to go back and look now) that some people are not attuned to the frequency or whatever. I am not sure what your words were, but things should be a little bit easier than that especially if he wants to share the Thuban Council's message to the people of the world in general.:sneaky2:

I respect that.

An engine in poor repair (state of tune) does not generate the power expected of it. A mind suffering from years of mind control and dumbing down cannot function to its full potential - its frequency range restricted - and signals attenuated.

It is a fact that some minds cannot accept certain information until a measure of decluttering, self-work and at this time even healing/repair has been carried out. That is what I mean by the capability of tuning. Only those minds that have been restored to nearer the levels of intended function are capable of tuning to higher conciousness.

A good deal of physical techniques delivered across a wide range of human cultures, have been dedicated at improving the function of the mind. Physical and mental fitness is a common theme amongst the esoteric orders for a reason.

Update: The comments above are not a reference to IQ, but clarity - clean pathways - there is some correlation between the two but they are not the same thing. I realised after reading and being quoted that this could have come over as a reference to cleverness or stupidity and it is not.

A..

[ellie]

You said it in a more concise way Beren than I did.

Giving truth and showing the light and way to people should be a hell of a lot easier than what Abrax is saying here. All of us do not have IQs above 140 or even 130, not that makes any difference. Jesus himself did not talk above the people, he was easy to understand even reading his parables.

[ellie]

I respect that.

An engine in poor repair does not generate the power expected of it. A mind suffering from years of mind control and dumbing down cannot function to its full potential - its frequency range resistricted - and signals attenuated.

It is a fact that some minds cannot accept certain information until a measure of decluttering, self-work and at this time even healing/repair has been carried out. That is what I mean by the capability of tuning. Only those minds that have been restored to nearer the levels of intended function are capable of tuning to higher conciousness.

A good deal of physical techniques delivered across a wide range of human cultures, have been dedicated at improving the function of the mind. Physical and mental fitness is a common theme amongst the esoteric orders for a reason.

A..

Well Anchor, thanks for relating that to me and I do know what you mean as far as it relates to me personally.

I love you too and always will and that is why I continue to post on this thread and will continue to do so because I do love you and everyone else.:wub2:

[migp]

Hi All,

I wanted to comment that What I really do not understand is why it is necessary such a complicated language an stories to expelain things and scenarios in this thread. I have followed project camelot for a while in part because they and the whistleblowers use a simple and direct language.

my question is: waht is coming?.....a time to physically leave the planet?...a time to spiritually leave the planet?...a time to stay and differentiate ourselves from the rest?.....

do we need all these metaphores and biblical passages to understanf a fouth or fifht dimension and a possible world without shortages?

are we still looking for a master to guide us? are we just expanding our current religions to accept additional stuff?

I believe that initially abraxas started talking more about things of the jewish religion but people started askink about jesus.

I believe that lionhawk uses a very direct language but he does not clarifies the things or situations we need to choose from.

thanks,

Miguel

[beren]

You said it in a more concise way Beren than I did.

Giving truth and showing the light and way to people should be a hell of a lot easier than what Abrax is saying here. All of us do not have IQs above 140 or even 130, not that makes any difference. Jesus himself did not talk above the people, he was easy to understand even reading his parables.

Ellie ,the more IQ you have ,the more you are simple. When you know ,you do not complicate. Elaborating as it was seen here is straying from truth,facts and real explanation.
I sense the need here to amaze people with quasi knowledge.

Why Jesus beside all ,told people ;"unless you became like little children,you will not enter kingdom of heaven."

Are we becoming?



Gives you time to think...

[SteveX]

ellie

I'm going to tell you something and it will come across as quite rude. I'll apologise for that now but here me out.

This abrax guy uses words and language in a way that you are not familiar with. What he actually writes is eloquent GIBBERISH. I can tell you now that the reason he does that is to baffle you with bull ****. 2,3,4 syllable words do not make an IQ. He may have a better command of the English language than some here but, I can assure you,much of it is just contextual rubbish. Much of what he writes does not say or explain anything. It's just big ol beguiling words to confuse, evade or side step.

Unfortunately friend, you have been beguiled. The "baffle you with bull ****" has given you an impression that this geezer is an intellectual. It's only language used in a confusing way. His game, his rules and his experience.

Edit You are no less a person for being covered in snake oil.

[Anchor]

Well Anchor, thanks for relating that to me and I do know what you mean as far as it relates to me personally.

I love you too and always will and that is why I continue to post on this thread and will continue to do so because I do love you and everyone else.:wub2:

I love you as well. By the way, I realised my post read wrong and have made a small change

"The comments above are not a reference to IQ, but mental clarity - clean pathways - there is some correlation between the two but they are not the same thing. I realised after reading and being quoted that this could have come over as a reference to cleverness or stupidity and it is not."

A..

[abraxasinas]

abraxasinas, I have noticed you ignored my previous comments. Can you reply to the quote above in a less than cryptic form please?

If there are no questions asked Richard and if the posts are basically opinion of the poster, then I exercise my integrity and honour to reply or comment or not on the content of the messages.

As you have asked to comment on gscraig's opinion, I shall comment on it.

Originally Posted by gscraig http://projectavalon.net/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=242004#post242004)
All of these messengers have shown up saying that they have been allowed to share information and some only within a certain time frame. Yet, this is followed up with the “only if you ask the question” platform. To which our first response to that should be “No thank you".

Why?

Because if they’ve been allowed to share information, why do we need to ask any questions?

This is answered rather simply by stating that MOST of the answers which are given to the questions asked are, at least in context, already answered by the material found on the linked website.
So noone NEEDS to ask any questions at all if one searches for the Thuban information in a more colloquial say 'earthbound' context.
But the present situation in the universe, albeit focused on Gaia, represents an unprecedented occurrence in the cosmic evolvement and part of this unfoldment requires extraordinary solutions to solve extraordinary 'problems'.

In essence; and that is why the 'fulfilment of scripture' is often accented; this unfoldment retraces the entire cosmology to its primordial beginning in archetypes.

So to UNDERSTAND the END of say a Cycle regarding the evolvement of a galactic civilization; one must discern the BEGINNING of this Cycle.

This is necessity, because when the universe became archetyped, its symbology required to define the End of the Universe before it could define its own Beginning.

By all means let them share what it is they (or whomever has “allowed” them to venture here), have to share with the human species. Secondly, once you allow someone to set the stage as to what you can do and thus ask questions, they can then dictate to you what you will be told or know, and what you will not. Due to the continuous noted complexities of the answers via this thread, why bother asking a question? Better yet, why bother starting this thread with such complex answers to be given to those inquiring? It is all silly, and if not prove it. For you cannot.

The Thuban Council does not set any stage for anyone. The Thuban Council is exactly what it claims to be - the emissary or messenger from the Logos, the Universal Logos of the Christian scriptures.
The Thuban Council functions under the auspices of the 24 Elders, archetyped in the Book of Revelation.
Noone is required to accept or believe this in any form or manner.
The 24 Elders are the Thuban Dragons, who receive their authority from the 4 Beasts and through them from Prime Source or God.

If someone, some group truly wanted to share YET ANOTHER message with mankind for our pivotal progression, then surely they can communicate that message to where it can actually be received, absorbed, resonate and move us to action. Such a crucial message also would not be privied to only one website. Now, you would also have to accept that the internet along with "one website" is not a rather "curious" vehicle to communicate such a message for all of humanity to begin with. Remember, taking self responsibility is partly why we are in this hoax of an existence .

All of these messages from Thuban are rather more poignant than messages. The data shared and freely given is generally NOT directed towards the 'ordinary' waking consciousness of the reader (~86%), but to the superconsciousness of the reader (~0.3%).

On the superconscious level you Richard and sweet Celine and Beren and Gscraig and Elli and Viking and Lionhawk and Steve X and Stardustaquarion and all other 'detractors' truly cherish and value this information as their own (and it is, because before space and time, all of you, including the beneficers came to a collective agreement to become EXPOSED to this data stream in just such a 'strange' manner).
In a sense all of you have coauthored the Thuban Archives in a Unity of archetypes, which will trigger your remembrances once exposed to them in a scenario of self-forgetfulness.

It was also agreed to that a necessary OPPOSITION, mainly triggered by the collective subconscious (~14%) will then become an agency - actually you all are SECRET AGENTS from Thuban - to allow anyone confronted by the Thuban data to SELFPROCESS this 'forgetfulness' through the vehicle of feeling indignation and vehemently opposed to it.

Many of you 'hate' and 'ridicule' this data stream BECAUSE it WAS EMPOWERED by yourselves before incarnation and before any of you experienced embodiments in any of the 10 dimensions of material manifestation.

So there is a PURGING going on, a SELFPURGING of the multitude of astral thoughtforms, by yourselves through your superconsciousness, which many of you perceive as hostile ETs.

When you think you are intuiting and thinking your own thoughts, then more often than not, these thoughts are induced NOT BY PTB agendas (which are just synthetic mindcontrol substitutes for a much more potent natural phenomenon), BUT by the astral sentiences, including what you term the 'dead ones'.

Thanks to one of you, I have found a vehicle to greatly expand on this 4D-5D spacetime interaction.
This is the reason as to why I have decided to comment on a related thread by Jonah on the Spirituality thread (thank you Anchor for resurrecting this thread): "What is Jesus?".
I shall post on this thread and as certain data there is HIGHLY RELEVANT to this thread; certain excerpts of my expositions shall be reproduced here in their appropriate contexts.

But generally, it will be a function of your subconscious processing and NOT your waking conscious understanding of these messages, which will determine your level of remembrance. On the superconscious level WE are as One and Unified in Thuban Dragonhood.

Again, Dragonhood MEANS the manifestation of a Fourth Merkabah-Brain, supplementing the Reptilian brainstem of the First Level and the Mammalian midbrain of the Second Level and the Human Cortex of the Third Level.
This then brings the LINEAR evolution of the old human merkabah to an end and RECIRCULARISES your reptilian brainstem with your starhuman perceptions, accessing your 'obscured' superconsciousness.

This then is the TRU meaning of the Ouroboros, the Milky Way abd the Zodiac in the Serpent who swallows its own tail.
All of you are Ouroboros and all of you are Serpent-Tamers under the 13th starsign of Ophiuchus transforming the Scorpio of John into the Eagle of John.

AA

[Lionhawk]

Ask Abrax of what I have spoken of in his thread? Did you even consider why he did not want to have a conversation as to what I posed to him? I was also actually "nice" about it and not as confrontational as you put it. I have seen other way more confrontational comments in this thread but you never even mentioned any of those. But since it would appear that I am near attacking this Dragon and someone you feel more in alignment with, anything I say is going to be more amplified in your mind. Why is that Anchor? I'm just curious as to how you play this game.

As far as what I know, I am not the only one who knows. However I do bring something to the table as to a soulution and for the most part none of you who have this new alignment with Abrax here see that. Now that tells me there is a spell on you. And I can not write what some of my scans have shown me about this thread and some of the participants.

The reason why I don't say it all out and put it on a silver platter for you is that you also have your free agency I must respect that and I have given enough big clues here so that you can actually go validate it for yourself. Again don't take my word for it, but go prove it. If you want the real data, go prove it. I am not here to spoon feed you or anyone else here. That would be disrespectful and would lack integrity if I was to do so. Get the data in the first hand so that no one has to convince you other wise in the second hand. In other words, get real. I really thought you of all people could handle that. But that is not what I see is being reflected back in this thread.

And by what responses and energies I am picking up, apparently I am not the only one here and many don't really want to say what they really feel because they seen from the past what kind of reactions they will get back. And it is because they care and know what side of the fence they are on. Not the lukewarm like Jesus spoke of as he would spit that out first as compared to knowing if it was cold or hot.

I may have said I know but I have never said to take my word for it. I always say don't take my word for it because I want everyone to find that validation for themselves. You've taken that way out of the context of what or where I stand, for the record. Everyone who really knows me here will also tell you that. So where the hell did that come from? Fact is I want people to know what is going on and it isn't a game here as some type of fictional drama between polarities that you just read about. The ones that only want to see love and light are blanketing their horrific memories. They are in essence the most wounded and I really don't blame them from everything I have seen. But always remember there are different domains of knowing in a soul's life. I guess the Arch types refer that as cycles as well.

Point is I am in the now and have done much work in remembering who I am. I am not going to deny who I am because someone has a prejudice and think that warriors suck. If it wasn't for a lot of the warrior cast I am aligned with, many things would be much worse. Look at the records and see it for yourself. Personally, I hate war. But I defend what I love and if anyone has a problem with that, tough. I have paid my dues and I don't need to be disrespected because I chose to defend that. I don't need to be spat on because I have served the Creator. At least I know who I serve. Which leads me to a question as to some here and who they serve. I also don't have to point fingers as some of you here have already pointed your own finger onto yourselves and if you think no one noticed that, then you are blind. To think just because we are not all Einsteins here, you are smarter, is one of the biggest jokes in this Universe. And that joke is on you.Intelligence is just an aspect of Creation. It isn't the whole ball of wax. Do some tuning work on that.

Problem is that many are still sleeping. And you may think what I have spouted off as a dream. I am not here to take you away from dreamland. It is your choice what you do with that or as you define it. And you will surely be limited if all you can see is 3D data. It will keep you asleep. That is how the second hand information highway has been used.

As far as young Dragons go, was not said in disrespect. Just an observation as compared to other Dragons I have known. Just be what I had written in the construct of that sentence. Ask him.

Well then, Anchor, you haven't tested your fear in this other domain of knowing. I always have tried to keep people from it, but you know what, to hell with that from now on. The door is opened and you choose to open one of the door and keep it opened here at this forum. If you are as good as you try to convey with your subtleties , then by all means step on through. Just make sure you bring an extra pair of britches.

What shocks many here is the double standards and who it suites. I have seen other threads closed for much much less. And although I am not into slamming threads closed as I do support free speech, I am really surpirised by the past history here as compared to what you all are allowing now. It doesn't seem like your normal ways of doing things.

As far as starting my own thread, that idea is a dead horse on life support. Let me just put it this way and you can read between the lines if there are any lines. I did start one thread and it got slammed closed. I learned my lesson. Now I appreciate you suggesting that I should start one again. As that would take the pressure out of this thread if I took myself out of this one. But all you had to do was ask. So this is what I am going to do. I am just going to bow out of this one as I have only asked for a fair handshake as to integrity, and I didn't get that despite my efforts. Good luck with this thread. May you all learn many valuable lessons from it.

I know when to detach.

God Bless :thumb_yello:




Lionhawk,

It is true I cannot recall at the moment ever having met a "real one" - to me they have all been personae/personifications. I dont deny that. I am not entirely convinced I even know what a Dragon really is and am keen to learn - at least in terms such as you and abraxasinas appear to refer too, and even then you are not in complete agreement with eachother.

I might point out that you have not really been forthcoming about any of this stuff either. The deal with you is: "I know, you dont, take my word for it". I shall attempt to cut to the bottom of what I think you have said in more paraphrased detail:

1) I, Lionhawk, know about and have history in dealing with Dragons

2) Abraxasinas does not totally conform to what I know about dragons - he either isn't one or "must be a young dragon" that doesnt know a lot about what it means to be a Dragon

3) Dragons are not nice and destroy humans and if left to it, themselves.

4) You are all potential chicken dinners - take it or leave it - caveat emptor. Don't expect me to haul your ass out of the fire, even though I might do that anyway because I am here to help.

In case you havent worked it out yet, I am not scared of either Dragons or Dragon wranglers. There is a reason for that, and I am guessing that you probably know what that is.

A..

PS: You added stuff to your post after I read it and wrote this, my comment above does not address that.

[abraxasinas]

Hi everyone --

I'd like to thank Anchor and MyPlanet2 for their wise words and harmonizing vibrations. Discussing multiple facets of an issue should always be a vital ingredient in our authentic spiritual growth, as long as it's done with mutual respect ..... with care to honor one another's divine essence. Thank you not only for reminding us of this truth but also for so beautifully modelling it for us. :wub2:

Abraxas

A few more questions from me:

1) i think i may have asked something along these lines earlier in the thread, so forgive me if i just haven't quite gotten it yet. What i'd like to ask about is the necessity of acquiring esoteric (often "secret") knowledge, as well as embracing what some may call "new-age" or "occult" spiritual practices (lucid dreaming, astral travel, chakra-cleansing, etc.) to the prospect of a successful "ascension" to 4th/5th dimension. IOW, what if you've never read any "esoteric" texts outside mainstream theology (of any stripe), or ever consciously attempted any of the above-mentioned types of spiritual exercises ....... but you DO try to love God, yourself, your neighbor (including your enemy) and your planet as well as you can ....... and you DO maintain an active "relationship" with what you perceive as God, the Source, the Creator of all that is, trusting innately in Her/His intimate love for yourself and each particle of the universe ..... is this ENOUGH to raise the 3-d vibrational frequency of the person to enable his/her Ascension?

Dear hippihill!

Consider your own body and your life. There you are, walking around doing the cooking or the shopping or the socialising.
In certain moment you ponder what is my life, how does this work and why am I so vulnerable in this body, requiring air to breathe and blood to flow with a beating heart.

Curious, you might study medicine or biochemistry and you can learn more and more how things interact, molecular chemistry, organic chemistry, solid state physics and anatomical taxonomy.

You learn all these things, yet you function quite well without knowing the details. You so can reduce your complexity of understanding how things work to the simplicity of just being you, alive and under the 'control' of a sort of automatic pilot.

This automatic pilot becomes your 'trust in God', can you see? And this was ok for a while in the great cycles of the universe and when the evolution of many systems approached what is called a nexus point or say a 'punctuated equilibrium' (Stephen Jay Gould).

But at this nexus point things and relative to the 'automatic pilot' CAN indeed change and the entire system of complex organisation can become RESET.
This is what is happening now and the 'automatic pilot' or the 'trust in God' or 'Trust in Nature's Laws' has become subject to redefinition.

This is why many New Age sources proclaim, that the 'ascension' is general and all will participate; though some will find the transitions difficult to process on various levels.



2) I'm curious about "saintly" people who have died in the modern era, e.g., Mother Theresa, Ghandi, Martin Luther King, Padre Pio, etc. Have they "ascended" yet, or are they waiting for the general Harvest in 2012, or what?

Most of the 'dead ones' are in the astral (6D), continuing their evolutions on the mental planes, before in some manner reincarnating into physicality.

{Reincarnation is a Cosmic Law and not Individual in linearity, meaning that once dead you can 'come back' in multiple versions of yourself in that linearity}.

Some of the 'dead ones', the ones who have been more able to process their MENTAL evolution COUPLED to physical embodiment could penetrate further into the etheric (9D).

NOONE, except Jesus of Nazareth has 'ascended' beyond the 9th dimension. Jesus was in the 10th dimension for 1976 years and is now both 'ascended' as the 11th MirrorD and has descended into the 5th MirrorD.
The Mirror Dimensions are 5D, 8D and 11D and physically manifested in 2D.

3) In several places on this thread you have stated that we each must "eat Jesus," and the last time you referred to this you even said "eat Jesus physically" (or something like that). I doubt you were saying that we should all participate in a Eucharistic liturgy, as do Catholics, Episcopalians and Lutherans who believe Jesus to be TRULY PRESENT in the bread and wine. So -- could you describe (again, i guess!) exactly how we are to "eat Jesus physically?"

Thank you as always, Abraxas. :cheerful_h4h:

hippihill

The Christian churches have served a very important part in their REMEMBRANCE of Jesus in the ritual of the Eucharist.
They have got the archetype 'right' but have failed generally to discern what their rituals mean.

The Eucharist of the 'eating' of Jesus is to BECOME infused by the resurrected waveform of Jesus. It is a form of POSSESSION; but more from the Heart as a NEW CORE COSMIC IDENTITY of and for yourself.

Think of a peach being your body - but without a core.
Not having a core, of course the peach would not exist as it could not grow from its seed.
But this is the INCOMPLETE creation (encoded in the Pauline letters) of your disease prone body.
You are born and develop a strong and healthy young body. You are full of vitality and life, but have little experience and wisdom.
Then from say the mid-twenties you are starting to age and lose your earlier vitality, but you gain in wisdom and life experience.
When you are old and brittle, your body begins to fall apart and all of your wisdom and life experience sems to disappear in your physical death.

To change this UNFAIR state of affairs: WHY can't a Wise Old Mind Experienced Person not have a Young Vibrant Body to live in? -something in the INCOMPLETE Creation needs to become COMPLETED.

This then becomes the 'eating of Jesus' to partake in his resurrection. Heshe MUST become the SEED as the core in your body as the kernel of the peach.
Remember he said: "I am the Resurrection and the Life. NOONE can come to the Father, but by me."

AA

[abraxasinas]

People you all have a brain inside your skull.
Use it.

Think logically for a second now, everything surrounding us has a reason why it exist,move,dance,breathe,live.

There are forces unseen and laws unseen but mathematically present and very alive,people know that.

So use logic now and bare with me;

Creator has created us .
He loves us and always helps us on our path .
He does not do that by force, he`s offering help by motivation of love towards his creation.

When he speaks to his children he speaks that his children can understand on every level.

Emissary of the Dragon here, or the Dragon himself are constantly quoting Jesus Christ. They go further and even claim that actually Jesus was and is a higher "Dragon", and that Lucifer is his friend .

Further when they explain their stuff here it is extremely confusing and occasionally non aligning with itself.
You find your self reading Abraxinas post and at the end or in the middle of exhausting post you find a small sentence which null files text above,nevertheless he continues further.

I ask you did Jesus Christ spoke like that?
Did he hide truth from his disciples and whom ever wanted with honest heart?
Did he aimed to amaze people with hard -to-know phrases and words?


Pharisee`s did that.
Scribes did that.

How did he named them?

Den of VIPERS.


No matter how hard you try Dragon apprentice, you can`t hide the fact that you lie with cold blood.

You write rants here ,elaborate with confusing data, and bluntly overturn clear words from Bible.
No wonder why sooo many people today don`t trust Bible any more. It is because of your kind, twisters of God`s own word, deceivers of worst kind, trappers of souls.

Nevertheless word of God will judge you;

Abraxasinas comments on the scriptural encodings; most of which are often mistranslated and misinterpreted by well meaning, often honourable, scripture-students/readers like Beren, albeit mentally confused in their comprehension of the compositions often corrupted by and through dogmatic traditions.

The red higlighted scripture clearly PROVES, by Jesus' own words; that Jesus himself IS the MORNING STAR aka the EVENING STAR aka LUCIFER aka VENUS aka APHRODITE, Goddess of Love.

This scripture also proves that all of you are required to BE GIVEN this 'Morning Star' by Jesus himherself to partake in the 1st order of the '2nd Coming' (all will participate in following orders of course).

The 'Lucifer' in Isaiah.14.12 is a general archetype for the manifesto for the 'kings' of Babylon, Tyre etc. and links to the prior order archetype of the 'fallen cherubim' in Ezekiel.28.14-19.

It is precisely because this LUCIFER is a metaphysical archetype THAT JESUS MANIFESTS a REAL LUCIFER as a TRUE Bringer of the Light shining in the spiritual archetyped darkness.


Isaiah.14.12:
12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Ezekiel.28:

14Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
18Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. 19All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.


2Peter1:
18And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 21For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Revelation 2:
26And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28And I will give him the morning star. 29He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation22:
18.I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19.And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this

16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.
18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

Revelation.22.19 is given as a 'warning' as to the consequences of EDITING the 'Book of Revelation'.
A clear distinction is made as to to ADDING something and to TAKING AWAY of something.

Understanding the true meaning of the eucharist so engages the ABSORPTION of all prophecy within oneself.
So to ADD to this prophecy in extrapolation and superposition will result in ABSORBING all of the plagues and tribulations of the 'Armageddon' prophecied.

This then allows the 'True Followers' of Jesus, the ones heshe calls in the Book of Revelation, to AVOID and PREVENT the prophecies to become EXTERNAL CALMITIES.

The physical disasters are processed WITHIN the bodies of the WITNESSES (of Revelation.11 and Zechariah.4) and so prophecy is fulfilled without physicalisation of the catastrophies.

Corollarily, the TAKING AWAY of the words in the Book of Revelation will 'jeopardise' the 1st order participation of the student/reader in the '2nd Coming'.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hello Abraxas,

I briefly visited your website as well as watching this ever-growing thread - you are one busy guy!

I have one question that I am hoping you can shed some light on....

All of my life I have shied away from any religion or spirituality that has a foundation that you must "do, believe, act, look like, be born into, etc" in any specific fashion in order to be "saved, redeemed, spared, evolve, ad nauseam".

This includes having to "know or understand" secret, sacred or complex knowledge that is only available to the "followers". You do state that the knowledge you are attempting to impart with this thread is truly available to all but that we may not be currently able to understand it. However, you also state that only a very few will be able to utilize it to "ascend" to a better place/space ( reminds me of a rapture type statement). Once again - how is that possible if we are all ONE? How is it fair if a majority of the beings we share this world with do not even have the ability to see this information? ( I am not just directing this towards you - it is my "own problem" with this type of material) Most of the information is not translated, it would have no frame of reference for someone not familiar with Judeo-Christian teachings, people who experience developmental disabilities, illiteracy, who are blind, under educated etc. so how can it be the only way? I just do not believe that any "way" that limits it's audiences ability to truly participate and/or promises it's audience that they are (or could be) the only ones, thus creating seperation from their fellow beings - is NOT the WAY.

Ok - so there were a few questions there :sneaky2:
El

Dear 5th Element!

My reply to hippihill answers much of your query in a very easy to understand manner.
Now the core of your question is related to the ONENESS relating to the 'mechanics' of the ascension or such labeling.

There is NO RESTRICTION to any sentience and consciousness in the universe; however to understand this ONENESS you speak of, is not an easy manner to grasp in the words and linguistics utilized by the individual considering himherself as separated from this Oneness.

Yes, it is a trouble of language and of words.

So allow me to give you a metaphor, akin the peach of hippihillbobbi.

There you are just having stumbled and hit your toe on a rock.

In technical details, a local disturbance in the equilibria of your circulatory autonomous bodysystems activates.
Nerve messages are sent to your brain to inform other systems to 'repair the damage' to blood vessels in your traumatized toe.

Cellular mitosis replaces damages tissues undr microbiological interaction and communication systems engaging endocrine glands (chakras) and neuronal and blood circulation conduits.
Then further zooming in, will display molecular transformations and then the waveform interactions of subatomic criteria.

So how much complexity of finestructure can you handle with your educational data base?!
You can study at some academic institution for 5 years to become familiar with the semantics and terminology to say explain and model the biochemistry of the molecular level of a traumatized toe.

But there you are and your body hurts ALL OVER, because of the trauma experienced by your toe.

So you experience as a ONENESS as a UNITY, despite the trauma being localized in your toe.

So in other words; as WE all are ONE on some very deep and basically unfathomable plane; if ANYONE is able to 'ascend' THEN by definition ALL have ascended with that One.

Now you KNOW who the ONE who has ascended is.
Because HESHE has ascended in the ONENESS, YOU also have already ascended with that one.
You just aren't AWARE of this yet - and the VEIL=EVIL of the 4D-5D spacetime mirror is the cause of this.

(51)
His disciples said to him: When will the resurrection of the dead take place, and when will the new world come?"
He said to them: "That resurrection which you are awaiting has already come, but you do not recognize it."

AA

[abraxasinas]

Actually he had to, he often had to speak in parables because the core truth was too much for the average man in his audience. To some extent it was necessary to de-tune the message for wider coverage.

I agree that it is better to speak truth with clarity so far as it is possible.

Many times this means not speaking at all. However, on this forum, there are topic titles that can allow people to ignore that which they dont want to read - and it is for this reason I keep asking people to let it be.

I think abraxasinas has demonstrated accuracy with the bible and I dont see where words are being twisted. I myself tend to restrict myself to the reported "sayings" of Jesus since they appear to me to be the least distorted parts of the bible. Since many of them are wrapped in parable, they were probably deemed by the editors to be so open to debate and inpenetrable, they did not require distortion to support any elitist agenda.

[with no particular focus on you Beren...]

Once again I see many here falling into the same old trap of judging the messenger and not the message.

It also seems as if inpenetrable data seriously offends a few egos - I say tough! Deal with it. Have you considered this is one of the distortions we all need help working through? Data is data.

Two sides of the polarised arguement against this thread - on the one hand there is no such thing as Dragons so Abraxasinas is clearly off his trolley - on the otherhand Dragons are very real and us poor humans need protection by the gallant knights in shining armour and experienced dragon slayers. Which is more preposterous? To me neither. Data is data.

What is not preposterous is that questions and answers to those questions yeild pure DATA. Data can be left or worked with - your/our choice.

Context can manipulate that data - but the assembled masses here are not vulnerable chooks that need protection. We are more on our guard against any potential contextual manipulation and trickery; not that I myself have discerned any yet from the OP and subsequent posts - all I have discerened with every fibre of my own intuition is a desire to deliver information/data in the context of the questions asked.

This Dragon (personae) - is providing answers - so far - in what looks like good faith. On that note, Abraxasinas, I have a few more questions of my own for you :

1) to what extent do dragons have a bearing on the functioning of the elite/dark forces currently attempting to control the evolution of human kind on this planet?

Hi Anchor, thanking you again for your open display of integrity, honour and impartiality - the qualifying criteria of a good moderator.

The Dragon symbol is of uttermost importance to the PTB (your elite/dark forces label).
The PTB functions in a hierarchical manner and where the nestings of control and manipulation are, as many know, in a pyramidal symbology.
A 10 tiered pyramid exemplifies this (say the Mayan structure publisized by Calleman).

1=100-Square of the Populus/Citizen/Voter
2=81-Square of the Local Mayor/Politician/Councillor/Member
3=64-Square of the Minister of State
4=49-Square of the President of a Nation
5=36-Square of the Global Administrator/Banking Empire
6=25-Square of the Ancient Brotherhoods of the Serpent/Illuminati+Luminari
7=16-Square of the Astrality in Order/Human-ET Level1
8=9-Square of the Astrality in Expansion/Human-ET-Level2
9=4-Square of the Astrality in Identity/Human-ET-Level3
10=Capstone of the Dragon

So in a classification of the hierarchies of the PTB such as this; you can easily discern that the 'missing capstone' represents an 'enigma' not only to the human knowledge, which ends here at the 6th level of the pyramid in 4D spacetime as defined by physics and the terrestraial sciences; but also to the ETs interacting with humanity from the astral dimensions (7-dimensional hyperspace or twistorspacetime of rotation technically).

So the Dragon archetype or symbol becomes the common search for the 'illuminated' humans and the ETs alike.

These consciousnesses KNOW that the pyramid is also an Octahedron with the seen pyramid turned upside down like an hourglass.
So then there are two capstones, one 'missing' in the physical manifestation of the 'World-Tree', but of course manifested in the metaphysical-spiritual sense in the reflection of the physical pyramid and so its invisible image.

Metaphysically it is so understood (by the upper levels say 6-9), that the 'missing' capstone is the metaphysical Dragonhood as the powersource for all of the material universe.

The PTB are very well aware about the Nature of God and what God, say as the Prime Creator Energy Source must be to be able to exist.
However they are not aware of how this Invisible Dragonhood can manifest and through this manifestation reconfigure the structure of the universal architecture (a rather primitive attempt to reconfigure the universe is embodied in the Masonic symbology as that of Ptah, the Egyptian creator god).


2) are there good dragons and bad dragons (where good and bad have the meaning of service to the interests of humanity or service to self, not in the interests of humanity).

You could say this in a rather 'childish' way of trying to express the ET-Human interaction of the higher levels.
The polarity 'game' cannot extend past the 5th dimension in external manifestation as it is unified internally in 6D and 7D and becomes contextual in dimensions 8-10.

So the 'good and bad' might as well be termed male and female or minus and plus.
And as you know, in mistranslation of this archetype in the 'middle ages', all women were considered as the 'temptresses of the Devil' and so considered as evil/bad personified.
Things have not changed much and today the polarity 'rules' the evolving human minds - however with a grand destiny awaiting them.
The 'entrapment' in this duality of polarity serves a cosmic purpose, even a necessity.
In concentrating and focusing a PROCESSING of POLARITY facing each other in a 'mental war' COUPLED to physical embodiment; will allow the disembodied ETs of the astrality, as well as the archetypes of the 10-11-12-13 omnispace dimensions to become reconfigured and redefined.

This is simply the LOWEST vibration connecting to the HIGHEST vibration in the metaphysical 'bad' dragon being forced to 'eat' itself in swallowing its own tail.
Heads and Tails - Good and Bad - Man and Woman - Yin and Yang - All One Coin.


3) please re-state the exact relationship between what you call dragon and what you call human.

The PHYSICAL Evolution of modern man from Old World Monkeys so 20 million years ago encompassed the earlier evolvement of the mammalian midbrain from its reptilian brainstem precursor.
About 5 million years ago, the Australopithecine genotype began to fractalise in a normal diversification pattern of terrestrial species (say there are species of giraffes, elephants, tigers and so forth).
This diversification proceeded WITHOUT astral ET interference until about 520,000 years ago, when homo antecessor became a 'common ancestor' for a 'contracted' hominid evolutionary branch leading to homo sapiens sapiens.

You find here the 20 Mayan supercycles of 26,000 years each and so the 7th/13th cycle of about 338,000 years ago witnessed the first genetic interferences of the astral ETs with homo antecessor 'evolving' into homo heidelbergensis (these are commonly accepted antrhropological labelings you can find in the literature).

The 'first' homo sapiens then emerged from this genetic stock about 5 Mayan supercycles later at the 208,000 year marker in the human evolution timeline.
It is here then that the 'legends' of Lemuria and the human-ET interactions begin to enter the akashic records of the human groupmind consciousness and memory.

Here then you have the attempt to 'dragonize' the human evolution by the astral ETs.
The ETs know that their own ancestry and physicalisation is irrevokably BOUND to HYBRIDIZATION of their own astral cosmic IDs with that of this humanoid race of primitive origins in the reptilian brainstem.

The ETs require physical expression, whilst the primitive humanoids require mentality. This then is rigorously defined and modelled in ET science as the omni-science of what MASS is as a static electromagnetic field and allowing the mass parameter to become a reduced form of natural and superconductive 'electricity flow' (not requiring media such as a copper wire or a optical fibre).

Many technical details are found on the linked website.
I have shared some of this here before, but as it causes offence in inferiority /superiority complexes in the psyche of many; I refrain from disseminating details. The ones of you who wish to know more, might engage the thought of attending college classes in Cosmology 101, Physics 101; General Science 101 or similar and THEN ask pertinent questions instead of ridiculing and dismissing things you COULD understand, but fail to do so, because of your unfamiliarities with the semantics and the languages.

And so the 'Dragon-Mind' will be like a 'Dragon-Brain' superposed onto the humanoid cortex finding full expression in homo sapiens sapiens at the beginning of the last and completing Mayan cycle of 25,625 years ago.

The astral ET manipulation so also represents an ET agenda finding their own roots and lineages.
There is more to this and I have and will elucidate more and more details on this as the timeline progresses.
But generally, the so called manipulation of the human genetic code is defined in the aforementioned 'natural electricity', which relates to mindinduction and the capacityu of the human memory complexes to store data.


4) dragon iconography crops up a lot. In the recent video by Bill Ryan one is struck by the number of dragon images in the opening sequence of shots around London, England. Additionally I recently have cosidered that there are the Eastern (I'm thinking about chinese) Dragons who are associated with the power elite - emporers etc - in a more mystical way, and Western Dragons who live in caves and get slaughtered by "heros". Can you elaborate more on the role of the dragon iconography through the human ages? When did it start and why?

A..


Yes, Anchor, the dragon symbology in the London locale is just the manifesto of the PTB of the 5th and 5th level, that of the Brotherhood of the Serpent/Snake and the two archetypes of the Priesthood of Levi and that of Zadok in the Davidic court.
Today, this has translated to the Illuminati of the Sun (Shamballah say) and the Luminari of the Moon (Agartha say).
Much of the information you can find on the web, you tube, David Icke and so forth is very much 'on the mark' and in agreement with the Thuban database. It so is not disinformation - I would comment on anything I consider disinformation, if exposed to this on this forum in the appropriate contexts.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Ellie,

people manipulated in this manner only have themselves to blame. The path is long for them, but all will end well.

Ego is not anyones problem but the person in whom that ego manifests.

You play with fire you get burned, unless that is, you know how to play with fire. [1]

A..

[1] Mental image of GregorArturo firedancing springs to mind :D


(10) Jesus says: "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes."

AA

[ellie]

[/B]


(10) Jesus says: "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes."

AA

That quote from Jesus above does not explain a thing to me in the context it was given.

Lionhawk, I am not a happy bunny now because you have bowed out and it looks like I will not get any answers to exactly what and who this Abrax person is (besides being a Phd in string theory) and what Gaia group he is representing.

I am sorry LH I am obviously too dumb to get the clues, I was very curious.

Abrax, it would be nice if you did not quote Jesus in threads and call him a master templar in another, I am sure the ascended master is not happy himself with that.

That's all.

[abraxasinas]

That quote from Jesus above does not explain a thing to me in the context it was given.

Lionhawk, I am not a happy bunny now because you have bowed out and it looks like I will not get any answers to exactly what and who this Abrax person is (besides being a Phd in string theory) and what Gaia group he is representing.

I am sorry LH I am obviously too dumb to get the clues, I was very curious.

Abrax, it would be nice if you did not quote Jesus in threads and call him a master templar in another, I am sure the ascended master is not happy himself with that.

That's all.

But Jesus IS the Master-Templar of Thuban dear ellie.
You may ask himher in any form or manner if shehe is offended by that labeling - and it is just one labeling of many appropriate from the Thuban perspective.

Jesus IS the REAL lightbringer=LUCIFER manifesting the archetype of the metaphysics. This is explained in my quotation of Beren's post today.
For simlicity and/or synchronicity and/or coincidence:

J=10; E=5; S=19; U=21; S=19 for a total of 74.
L=12; U=21; C=3; I=9; F=6; E=5; R=18 for a total of 74.

This is one of the reasons why the Council of Thuban uses the Greek-Christian version of Jesus and not a hebrew version like Yeshua or Yeshuah or Yehoshuah.
We do use Emmanuel Melchizedek as EM=WE sometimes however in a similar nomenclature.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Hi All!

This message engages the wordings of another initiate, who could be termed a postgraduate human approaching membership within the Council of Thuban. I shall 'colour in' the discourses of Richard T., when so appropriate. Most of the time, Richard T. aka DRACHIR T. {the German word for Dragon translates as DRACHE} presents hisher information as a member of the Thuban Dragonhood and requires little input from myself.

If anyone wishes clarification on the meanings of the statements of Richard T., then I shall answer accordingly.

1)Quote:Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge

Does trying to connect with with all dimensions through the focus of intentionally reaching someone's consciousness, have an effect on those that do not wish us to succeed? Do they not like when I do this? Because sometimes I feel like I'm dwelling where I'm not wanted.

Richard T. aka DRACHIR T.:
The ego can do nothing about any of this because of its planetary nature. His job is to increase the vibratory rate of his mentation and his environment is used to challenge him, and at the same time to become intelligent.

The forces are not there to make us intelligent but to shed light on the way. And the way they do this is by opposition. The stronger the opposition, the stronger the potential for integration.

When man has become strong enough to not be swayed by any emotional charge thrown at him by opposition in the experience, then these forces start a process of fusion with what was a mortal being.

The war against man by the dark forces is the war against this process. A war against the process through which the individual's father, his universal source, which is not a 'great all' but a force of creation, which is him on another plane of reality, will start infusing into the mortal using the mind tunnel created by the thought adjuster to alter totally the consciousness from the mental plane down to the cellular plane, effectively removing the light that was invested in material experience on this planet from the dominion of those forces.

To those forces, the presence of such a light as that of man, in matter on this planet, appears to be advantageous. They don't want to lose this advantage, and they are ready to blow the planet up if necessary.

Nothing will happen before it is time.

Abraxasinas: It should be added here, that the 'dark forces' are limited in extent of actual mental infiltration and blending with the human mind by the depth of the subconscious.
This depth simply means that increasing the superconscious capacity to process memory will decrease the astral infiltration of the subconscious.

2) Originally Posted by Richard T:
Hello there,
Each person has an adjuster attributed to him. These are extremely advanced intelligences whose goal is to fuse with the mortal. Those forces have never experienced matter, they are scientists of the energy who work with man using life opposition to create tensions in him. Those tensions are energy potentials that are then used to transform the sub-atomic structure of those bodies, adjust them, in order to perfect them.

The creation of man is not completed. It is a work in progress. But man is led to believe that this is it.

An instruction is not a teaching.

A teaching brings materials that must be learned and believed.
An instruction bids to do as told, and the instructed, by doing what he is told, allows the adjuster to work more efficiently. But for the ego, the instruction quickly becomes knowledge, because he wants to own the material, not realizing that it is not valuable as a memory but that it is useful in the movement it provokes.

Abraxasinas: This is in stark evidence right here on this thread, where the information as a teaching is mistaken as an instruction.

My consciousness is not Morontialized yet. So that it is the adjuster who can travel on his plane, as close at it can to his source, depending on his vibration rate. A cherubin cannot travel like an Arch-angel for instance.

Abraxasinas: There is much to be added here as to the reality and manifesto of what Richard T. terms morontialized. He may have taken this term from the astral channel of the Urantia Book; which is of 3rd order and so NOT as authoritative as the 2nd or 1st order of the data stream.
In the context of usage of Richard T. however; he has associated the appropriate higher order structure to this label of the superconsciousness and as coupled to what many term Christ-Consciousness.
The adjuster is a primary emanation of this Christ-Consciousness; say as in a label of the 'Overself' or the 'Higher Self' or the 'Higher Guides', however subject to graduations in expression.

Because of this, the information can only be transferred, if allowed, by the adjuster. In such a condition, a man cannot say what he wants but only what he must. Because, othersise, he would create much confusion still being affected by the laws of domination at one level or another.

We have an advantage as ascending men because this is a gradual process. The initiates, such as the initiate of Pisces, or that of Aquarius, live an instantaneous fusion process through which all aspect of the personality are destroyed, all memory is removed, and all wishes and hopes of the ego are put in check, creating an extreme mental pain that the average man could not support without being destroyed for lack of an adequate inner strenght.

Abraxasinas: Richard T. here exaggerates the process of the 'instantaneous fusion' of the initiate/avatar a little.
This 'instantaneous fusion' is happenstance in all of you at the point of your physical conception in a data transfer from the genetic libraries of your patriarchial and matriarchial lineages.
But as said, the human life experience serves the gradual implementation of the 'higher purpose' as decided by the 'adjuster' aka your 'higher self' directly coupled to the Christ-Consciousness.


The universal status of an individual cannot be known from down under but can only be known from up and into the intimate relationship between the source, the adjuster, and the mortal who has lost his humanity to become a man. Such information will never be given to an individual who can still fall to the laws of domination. Astral, planetary consciousness will never be allowed to escape this plane into the realms of light.

This is the first time in the universal annals that such a process is recorded. This creates great interest and turmoil among the material races and the hierarchies who suddenly are turning their eyes toward this globe and would hope to interfere to fulfil their own agendas.

The enabling factor is part of the personal secret that is guarded by the adjuster. The planetary ego cannot change things, but he can prepare the terrain.

Abraxasinas: You may emphasise the word 'PERSONAL SECRET' - all of you have an adjuster and carry such a 'Personal Secret'.
So it becomes rather superfluous to 'test' others like myself as to your 'secrets' as so many have done here on this thread.

The integration process depends on inner strenght that allows facing opposition. The end of a cycle, such as the one we are in today, creates conditions that are ideal for a man with inner strength to face the music without falling prey to his animal condition.

Abraxasinas: I am in gratitude to all of you for your supports and your oppositions - perhaps some of you can begin to envisage the 'greater agendas'.

What do you mean by: "should I stop indulging substances that affect my matter?"

All substances that affect the psychic web and man's perceptions interfere with his natural mechanism, albeit everything you do was already known would be done. Drugs can only open the way to the astral web. They have created an awareness of the reality of other planes of reality but it was limited to the astral and its lies and manipulations.

Thoughts is the most fundamental aspect of the lie to which we have been submitted.

Man does not think. Thoughts forms are fundamentally induced interferences that come from the dead.
Thought energy is fundamentally communication from the adjuster.
The brain is a radio, it does not produce thoughts, it receives them. And the ego is fooled into believing it is him who is thinking because of the use of the subjective form, the 'I', to which he is too quick to identify.

Until the day when the adjuster, the cosmic double, can reveal himself, and that thoughts are replaced with communication, allowing the adjuster to instruct man and take charge of his evolution, forcing him to face the reality of his multi-dimensionality, that before was kept at a philosophical level.

Abraxasinas: Your individuated transformation from old human to new starhuman allows the higher self to merge with your lower self iow.

So, what can be done is to live one's life aware of this, knowing that all events that oppose the wishes of the ego and arouse his insecurities are simply there so that a work can be done on those planes of which he is not readily aware but of which he has the intuition.


3) Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge
hello,
A work in process indeed. What about love? Will I have to let that go as well? When in love I realize how human I am. This cannot be good for the infusing process, as I am constantly drawn back to it.
Morontialized? I may ask questions like a fool. But I can assure you I am not.



Richard T.:
Hi,
Love is a fundamental principle that is being infused in the universe. It is one of 7 Alephs, or principles, to manifest and the third. The other two are intelligence and will.

Abraxasinas: There are more classification systems, but the three major ones relate to the Thuban Principalities as well as the Kabbalah, say as say Keter-Hokmah and Binah:

1.Keter or Crown is the Khu of the Spirit and the 'Tree of Life as Djed or Phallus of Osiris'
2.Hokmah or Wisdom is the Ab of the Heart and 'Throne of Isis'
3.Binah or Intelligence is the Sahu of the Masculine in the 'EyeMirror of Horus'
4.Hesed or Love is the Ba or Soul of the 'Sistrum of Bast'
5.Gevurah or Power is the Ibis or Mind of the 'Caduceus of Thoth'
6.Tiferet or Beauty is the Sekhem of the Feminine in the 'EyeMirror of Hathor'
7.Nezah or Endurance is the Ka of the Double of the 'Astral Chalice of Nephthys'
8.Hod or Majesty is the Ren or Name of the 'Mason's Tool of Ptah'
9.Yesod or Foundationis the Khaibit or Image of the 'Shadow of Anubis'
10.Malkuth or Kingdom is the Khat or Body and the 'Tree of Death as Yoni or Vulva of Set'

The SEPHIROTIC TREE OF LIFE also known as MOSES' SAPPHIRE TABLET ; then partitions those ten archetypes into a male, say left stem and a female right stem, parted in a middle stem, centred on the 'unclean sexes' of the 69=96.

Love is not a psychological value. But the astral body vibrates to its energy and promotes emotions.

This means that love on this globe is not fundamentally real.

Abraxasinas: Notice this all of you as warriors of the love and the light!


LOVE is a VIBRATORY RESONANCE described in a GAUGE SOURCESINK-PHOTON in its supersymmetric selfcoupling under modular duality and which can be defined in its own resonance eigenstate as:
E*=kT*=hf*=hc/λ*=m*c²=1/e* for Unity E*e*=1 and its coupling parameters.
Energy*=Heterotic Supermembrane HE(8x8)=EpsEss
=√{2πGome2/4αhce2}=[me/mP]/2e√α=GODDOG=DOGGOD


This is the selfstate for a love vibratory resonance, which created the universe!


Its infusion will coincide with the advent of the access to intelligence and will without which there can be no real love.

For the time being, what we call love is based on the insecurity of the ego, whether sexual or emotional depending on the gender, and of the recuperation by the astral of the concept of love into a spiritualized form adopted by the soul, which emulates the work of the Nazareen. This spiritualization comes from the intelligence of man and his lack of real will.

Love is an energy that renders free, whereas will is an energy that dominates. To render free, one must have no fear of losing. And fear of losing brings the urge to dominate.

There is no point in adopting any kind of attitude in regard to this. To be informed is enough, since as soon as we are informed, work can start being done on other planes.

Abraxasinas: Allow me to emphasise the 'Being Informed Enough'; this is my one and only agenda on your behalf. It does NOT mean that any of you need to UNDERSTAND what I am sharing - YOUR INDIVIDUAL ADJUSTER UNDERSTANDS and this is sufficient onto itself.


4)Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge:
Very well then. I will remember that when we meet again. :lightsabre: (lame attempt at humor)
These 7 alephs. Are they manifested in all universes? Is love truly unique in origin? Now that this has been introduced into the universal archives can other races incorporate it? If they can than it must be through a descending energy correct? Will there ever be a balance between those with intelligence and those of true light?

Richard T.:
What I know is that it is manifested in this universe and is a relatively new manifestation. I can't really talk about other universes. Love is a fundamental principle. It is a universal energy. It is not a state of mind. But it is an energy that can be channelled, although if it were channelled through man's physicality as it stands, he would find it extremely painful.


Abraxasinas: LOVE is a VIBRATORY RESONANCE described in a GAUGE SOURCESINK-PHOTON in its supersymmetric selfcoupling under modular duality and which can be defined in its own resonance eigenstate as:
E*=kT*=hf*=hc/λ*=m*c²=1/e* for Unity E*e*=1 and its coupling parameters.
Energy*=Heterotic Supermembrane HE(8x8)=EpsEss
=√{2πGome2/4αhce2}=[me/mP]/2e√α=GODDOG=DOGGOD


This is the selfstate for a love vibratory resonance, which created the universe!



It will imcumb to man to use love to allow information to be made available to those races whose evolution is controlled by other races who have vibratory ascendancy onto them.

Love is an energy that shares.

Abraxasinas: The Council of Thuban is SHARING its database as its one and only agenda.

The various races in the universe work out of the principles of intelligence and will, not love. Their societies are based on the principle of fraternity.

An example of such system is the failed and miserable caricature that is communism on this planet. A system that sought to enslave its people, not free them.

Democracy, as we know it, is a miserable caricature of freedom afforded by the energy of love. Miserable because it is way too infiltrated with agents of domination for one and two because the individuals themselves are too psychologically dependent on the system, making them lazy and keeping them in a state of expectation, instead of all of them being the pillars of their society.

But this system is nonetheless the closest thing to what you call Christic spirit that exists in large organized societies.

Love cannot be alone, like intelligence and will cannot be alone. They represent the current trinity of the energy.

Races access universal archives based on their relative rate of vibration. The energy is hierarchically differentiated as it penetrates the planes of reality. In order to access the highest orders of the world that is the universal archives, the rate of vibration must be extremely high.

And access to higher vibrations means access to higher vibration of sciences.

The hierarchies who control the information based on their universal status will not let go of their power, because at that level infomation is the power. This is why intelligences in the universe are limited in what can be known to them and forced to work according to the information that is allowed to filter down to them.

Abraxasinas: Indeed, but as said before, the 'Tree of Life' as the 'Serpent-Rod' of Thoth aka Moses defines the ET order to dedichotomize at the 5th dimension/density level. All higher dimensionalities utilize the unified polarities as internal processor to allow galactic and extragalctic experience to function WITHIN a context of a Harmonized Duality.

When man has a consciousness that is morontial, he will have a vehicle that won't allow him to simply travel the astral plane but a unique vehicle that will allow him to travel as a consciousness to all the worlds from his origin to the ethers and access levels of science that cannot be imagined and cannot be accessed even by those races that visit us today.

Abraxasinas: Imagine and analyse the scriptural evidence of the 'Resurrected Logos' and you may be able to evisage what your 'new morontial' lightbody will entail as a higherD merkabah kerneled by your present physical temples.

But it is not important to think about such things.

What is important is for us to realize that we have been lied to, that we have descended to the bottom of the vibration scale, and the result is a loss of consciousness equivalent to the loss of access to information, and that this will be reversed in the times to come. And that he should use the opportunities created in his experience by the strong oppositions to his well being to increase his vibration so that one day he is capable ans sufficiently strong to receive the shock of his reality.

Abraxasinas: The lowest vibration becomes the Tail swalled by the highest vibration of the Head and in recircularising a linearised spacetime quantum continuum with beginnings and ends.

In any case, man cannot know the future. He could not take it and would refuse it. It is the only reason why he does not know what lies ahead for him as an individual.

Abraxasinas: Thank you Richard T. for an excellent discourse into the higher dimensional cosmology.


Originally Posted by Richard T
5)Hello Vorian.

I ask if I make sense to insure the door is opened to opposition. Otherwise, it would be like saying that it is so and you must learn from me.

There is a universal law that says that it is impossible to be intelligent alone. Communication is to allow people recognize they can access intelligence. Unfortunately, people use communication to prove they are intelligent, or to question and seek intelligence in others.

Technically, we should learn from what we say. When I say something, I should be learning something. And this is possible if we realize that we access intelligence rather than think we are intelligent.

And if we do not believe what we say, we ask others to validate through t their own access to intelligence.

Sometimes, I wonder if what I say is helpful or if it actually mixes people up.

How is the weather down there?

Cheers.

6)Originally Posted by Richard T
Earth consciousness is currently under the laws of domination. It will be in the hand of another origin in the next evolution, but that will not happen before the end of this cycle.

Perhaps I was under the impression that both are in store for evolution. And that they would happen together.

It is not man's job to fix the Earth consciousness, it has its own agenda.

What we must take care of is our own consciousness.

And if we can't fix our own, how could we fix that of others, let alone that of the Earth?

Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge
Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard T
Earth consciousness is currently under the laws of domination. It will be in the hand of another origin in the next evolution, but that will not happen before the end of this cycle.

It is not man's job to fix the Earth consciousness, it has its own agenda.

What we must take care of is our own consciousness.

And if we can't fix our own, how could we fix that of others, let alone that of the Earth?


Perhaps I was under the impression that both are in store for evolution. And that they would happen together.

There will be a change in vibration of the planet that will coincide with the reversal of its polarity. Astral energies come to the planet by the North pole. As do solar particles that create the aurora borealis effect. This reversal will push those energies away while accepting energies of another order altogether that have nothing to do with the history of humanity.

Evolution is perhaps not what we tend to think, since we think mechanically based on our history and that we project our own psychological understanding onto intelligences and systems that do not evolve psychologically, such as the Earth. The Earth will rise in vibration because of the energy that will be at the base of man's evolution. And that energy comes from the source of the consciousness of man, that is not god, but that is an energy that is radiated by each individual's source, these radiations being called rays of creation by some.

7)Originally Posted by Vorian's Revenge Are you a finaliter?
If so, and if you don't mind me asking, when do you experiance your fusion flash?

Hi there

Fusion flash, as you call it, only happens for the greatest descending initiates, such as Bernard.

They create the living proof of their words.

Luckily, we don't have to live this absolute torture in such a massive dose, and fusion for the ascending consciousness is a progressive process.

You will notice that I am careful to what I answer when I reply to questions of a personal nature.
Here is why

There is a universal law by which when a person says something, makes a statement using the 'I', events are automatically created to test the reality behind the words.

So, if I say "I would do this or that if this or that happened" you risk being tested in time. Best is not to brag, and really be certain, without any possibility of a doubt, that what is said, is.

Those events become part of the solar initiation of the individual, where he is tested against any and all forms of psychological failure.

Man cannot decide if and when he is contacted from inside.

It is his cosmic counterpart who initiates the movement.

But they find it extremely difficult to communicate with the mortal because of the huge amount of memories, because of the density of astral energy, because of the insecurity of the ego and of his spirituality, and mostly because of the personalization of the reflective process.

The ego must then prepare himself by starting to pay attention.

And paying attention requires him to be aware that all the artifacts that are part of his planetary consciousness are a game to steer his evolution.

This brings him to depersonalized the impressions that result from the experience over time, according to his capacity to support the loss of his false identity, that comes often with the loss of the impression of control over his life, and that has the tendency to create an impression of failure in the ego.

And the ego must realize faith in his reality and know that he is not failing, but that work is being done to increase his vibration.

The less he is impressed psychologically by the experience, the less he implicates himself in the experience, the more the experience can be increased in dosage and the more he is bombarded by thoughts, fears, and soul pulsations, who seek to bring him back to instinctual behavior.

All is a question of internal strength and all is a question of not believing, of not taking one's life seriously, but rather to be serious about it.

Some people cannot watch a movie without being traumatized.

How will they fare when the world collapse around them?

And this is where it comes together.

Man must learn to not be impressionable. Then, as he does his part, he allows the other side to do its part.

But they do their part on their time, and we must use our time effectively.

As for where we are, we always are where we are supposed to be. But they just don't tell us always.

The only reason why man does not know his future is because he would not accept it, he would feel that life is not worth being lived, and it is extremely important to those forces that man lives the life he is meant to live, until the work is done.

Does this help at all?

Richard

[Sollve]

How do Dragons treat their 'White Dragon Children'?
- Like newborn babies, totally dependent on their parental and like carers; unable to know in comparative relativism, who they are, where they are and what they are doing.

AA

Dear Fallen ones,

I find this interesting. Does this mean you take on the caretaking role regardless the need of the angelic human to be taken cared of, or is this a choice of free will.

My mind tells me two outcomes of this tender caretaking business. Either the humans who don't want to be eaten and hybridized by red dragons or any other kind of dragons by free will, will be put in concentration camps a.k.a. under the wings of "caretakers" and if the millions upon millions of non hybridized humans still resist the indoctrinations of the care takers, what happens then? My guess is that the humans will be battered around until they do. Is this correct?

The other way around would be that the humans that don't want to be dragon Halflings and thereby be stolen of their angelic heritage would actually be allowed to govern the universe from a creative and loving perspective, the way it was always meant to be. How could possibly a hybridized human be better than the original? How could your so called star human ever be what the human was meant to be from the beginning? We are meant to stop wars and find new ways, new creative ways to make peace. We are meant to save worlds, galaxies, universes and to help every single being to be sovereign in its own being, without the need for care takers. We are the creative force and upholders of universal love and free will. When allowed to show our inner beings, We are LOVE. We are INSPIRATION. How can anyone possibly think that we are better off as hybrids? We as hybrids are only beneficial to our so called ‘wanna be’ care takers. For thousands of years we have been suppressed, not allowed to grow the way we should. Allow us to show our true selves and we will be the care takers of the universe, just as we are intended to be.

Has it really come to this? It has shown from time to time that our hearts can't be enslaved. Is the only step left for the fallen angels to enslave us and make us do their will, to actually take away our uniqueness in some kind of hybridization program? Well I guess it's your loss in the long run. One can't help the one who don't want to be helped.

If someone wants to change what is already perfect, the only reason to do so must be to lower that perfectness beneath the perfectness of themselves in order to raise their own perfectness. For example if I'm the second or third tallest man on earth. The only way for me to be the tallest man is to either shrink the ones above me or eliminate them or to actually grow taller. To grow is the only acceptable alternative as the other alternatives includes the sacrifice of others.

In this case you would actually need to accept the fact to be second or third or whatever you see yourself as. We don't look at races or beings as being superior to others. We see them all at their full potential and with the ability to grow to where we are. We are designed to set an example of what can be done and to show the rest what their full potential is all about. You shouldn't look upon us as a threat. We are designed to help and if you don't want to evolve past your current limits, you don't need to. Maybe it's possible for us to build you a playground of your own choice where you can't hurt anyone and certainly not being able to hijack other beings for your own purposes.

We are here to help whenever you are ready!

For love and unity throughout the universe!

Sollve

:arrow: Before you point your finger at ME about using WE. WE are ALL who resonate with ME.

[Oliver]

Hello, Abrax,

I have a serious question for you.
I am interested what you/Thuban think about HUMOR?
What is humor?
Were it came from?
Are dragons laugh?

Please, do not answer me in numbers or equations, only words if possible.

I repeat: I am quite serious.

Love&Respect