Questions for THEWATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

Perhaps I should wait to see if there is any negative feedback before I make a decision.............its pending for now

THE WATCHER

[Kari Lynn]

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[Egg]

Question.

In the world of your Special Forces, Military \ Civil Intelligence and other agencies involved with sneaky pete, 1997 was a watershed year. If you are still some times employed by these powers that be in some role, how come 1997 doesn't apply to you?

This puzzled me for a while so I thought in the interest of fairness I had to ask before writing any more. As I wrote above - 1997 - The entire covert world was transformed forever. So, why not you too if you were employed in the psyops world even as a green badger by that date?

[Egg]

I look at it this way.

Who better to tell you how a surgery is going to go than the surgeon.
Who better to tell you what will happen in court than a lawyer.
And who better to tell you the secrets of the government than an operative.

Would you believe this sort of information if it were coming from a regular Joe Blow public, working flipping hamburgers for McD's? I don't think I would. I believe his position of employ lends credibility to his words.

Most, if not all gvm't secrets start with an employee or operative who leaks information.

1997. The (UK) covert world was changed forever. I will wait for an answer to my question before carrying on.

[THEWATCHER]

Without going into any detail, as this does not concern anyone here, on such an open arena as this. For your information the Unit I am alligned with is a joint UK/US Unit. 1997, lets see, one or two reforms, concerns over spending in Intel circles, inter-rivalry between agencies, nothing new there. Looking for safehouse in US at time, found one in Vermont. Did some filming in Rendlesham with Miles Johnston. Tony Blair and Labour Gov assigned. Hmmmm, see nothing that changes the scenery!
The one thing which sets aside WHY I am still alligned is because of who/what I am and what I can do. This arena is too open for any description on that I'm afraid. Dialogue will not be entered into here. Employees/contractors/assets blend into an area not too well defined in certain circumstances.

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

Barry i haven't forgotten the videos you sent me and a few others a few months back free of charge-that was very gracious of you mate, cheers.


My pleasure:original:

THE WATCHER

[Egg]

What year did you aquire American Citizenship? all operatives be they green or blue are required by Federal Law to be American Citizens able to attain at least a Top Secret clearence - or do you mean that your unit is British and you work along side members of the United States Int/MILINT services?

[blastawaycas]

SPENT HOURS READING THIS THREAD..........................WOW

EGG YOU HAVE A VALID POINT AND MY INSTINCTS TELL ME THAT IF I HAD TO STAND ALONGSIDE SOMEONE IT WOULD BE EGG.

FOR WHAT MY OPINION IS WORTH ONCE PSY OPS WAS MENTIONED MY OWN PERSONAL SIRENS WENT OFF.........AND I AM A NO-ONE, NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MILITARY OR ITS WORKINGS.

ITS JUST AN OPINION THE WATCHER AND IT IS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT

BUT WE ON THIS FORUM MUST BE ON OUR GUARD AND GUARD WHAT WE MAY KNOW.

MY RESPECTS EGG :thumb_yello: :thumb_yello:

[THEWATCHER]

What year did you aquire American Citizenship? all operatives be they green or blue are required by Federal Law to be American Citizens able to attain at least a Top Secret clearence - or do you mean that your unit is British and you work along side members of the United States Int/MILINT services?


Hmm, nope not US citizen, a strange aside is that I was required to sign not only the OSA but the American secrecy oath in July of 1979. sep units working as one. I will not detail further than that as this is heading away from what was envisioned for this forum. Some areas of my past/present will remain witheld unless I see a direct reasoning as to why I should openly disclose. Perhaps we can get back to business or do we continue to drive in circles?:original:

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

SPENT HOURS READING THIS THREAD..........................WOW

EGG YOU HAVE A VALID POINT AND MY INSTINCTS TELL ME THAT IF I HAD TO STAND ALONGSIDE SOMEONE IT WOULD BE EGG.

FOR WHAT MY OPINION IS WORTH ONCE PSY OPS WAS MENTIONED MY OWN PERSONAL SIRENS WENT OFF.........AND I AM A NO-ONE, NEVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MILITARY OR ITS WORKINGS.

ITS JUST AN OPINION THE WATCHER AND IT IS WITH ALL DUE RESPECT

BUT WE ON THIS FORUM MUST BE ON OUR GUARD AND GUARD WHAT WE MAY KNOW.

MY RESPECTS EGG :thumb_yello: :thumb_yello:

I can fully understand and respect your views, I think I have been very open and forthcoming with data here, some might say too open, but thats me. If I did not know myself I would not initially trust me either LOL (little light hearted interjection LOL). No problem, as stated above, if anyone sees my being here a threat or an intimidation I can just as easily stop now and walk away.:original:

THE WATCHER

[Egg]

Oh your not driving in circles at all - your travelling to my destination. Two seperate journies with two seperate destinations.

Now - firstly 1997.

Let me refresh your memory and inform other readers. All peoples employed by Her Majesties Government in any capability that pertained to Army Intelligence, Special Forces, Covert Warfare cadres, Secret Intelligence and Secret Service and any ancillary units that touched or were employed directly or indirectly - and yes even the cleaners and security men at the gates and inside the complexes - had to sign a second, more detailed confidentiality paper which in detail spelt out the penalties and punishments for disclosure of information that related to their employment.

This included all contractors - surveillance operatives, psychological warfare operatives, technical officers, drafted in 'secondment' staff from overseas, every body who recieved a role within the arena was made to sign this document.

In short, 1997 would of been the year you were called in to your supervisor and made, in front of witnesses to sign this document. You would of kept a copy, and they would of taken the other two.

Now, for me to believe you, I would like to see your copy of that said document that would prove to me without a shadow of a doubt that you Mr King are telling the absolute truth about your special access and employment.

(You can black out the Commanding Officers / Unit Commanders name, as well as the second witness and your Team Supervisors names. Please leave yours visible).

Or, as I said earlier in the thread, produce your little red book or cadre training certificate. The former soldiers and Royal Marines here on Avalon have done it so I can trust them in our email correspondance - please could you do so yourself so that I can lay this nagging doubt I have in my head about the reality of the information in this thread.

In short, I am amazed that this slipped your memory as it was truely a very stark warning you recieved in the five minutes before you signed this document, very bleak indeed from what I have been told by reliable, caste iron sources within the secretive world of military special warfare.

[THEWATCHER]

Further delving into areas here could compromise myself and those I'm alligned with, past and present. Therefore all comms will cease for the time being. Apologies for this decision but we have strayed from areas I wished to pursue and have entered others that should remain away from this open arena. Keep well, keep safe, keep searching for answers, they are out there.
I find it highly unusual that even regulars, away from more esoteric fields, would give a perfect stranger such data, let alone those within specific fields. The deeper the black the deeper the darkness, such applies to those involved in these areas, not restricted to open paper trails that openly acknowledged units are tracked by. I will not compromise myself or others simply to satisfy one persons curiosity, you are a stranger and an unknown element to me. Very few here have gained sufficient trust from me to warrant specific data. In areas I have to say i do find this line of enquiry a wee bit odd as I'm sure others before me have not been subjected to such scrutiny re their stated past, I could name several such individuals. But thats life. Think along whatever lines you choose, believe, disbelieve or be somewhere in between. I did not openly bring this up but trying to be civil enough to answer, within reason of course. I have other things to attend to rather than drive in circles here. The forum, the thread is over to you.

THE WATCHER

[Zeddo]

http://www.psywar.org/psywar/reproductions/15POG_Annual_Report_2008.pdf

If Barry King is PsyOps as he states he is, please read this document. It defines what PsyOps is, its aims, and the desired results. I will have no truck with people from the PsyOps world, as who can ever trust what they say? of course you cannot - for all we know, this whole thread could of been one great mind game from an admitted professional psyops operator from the very beggining, or even a group of them taking it in turns to drip, drip, drip the feed to a captive audience.

Question is then, what are they trying to persuade you about or deflect your attention or loyalties away from? after all, that is the job of a psyops unit.To change the way you think.

Just from reading the Definition on page 4 is enough to throw up some major alarm bells. I stand with Egg on this. What would psyops operatives be doing in this forum? We know how insecure the WWW is. We know there is "no place to hide". I also know that should any operative prove to be risky he will be taken out forthwith, so that means that the info is custom-built for a purpose other than that of benifitting this forum.

Stand amazed at society watcher, we can be full of surprises for a bunch of half-wits.

Just for the record, I have not taken the time to read this full thread, snippets here, pieces there is enough to get the gist.

[blastawaycas]

ZEDDO MATE MY HEADS SPINNING I READ IT FOR 4 HOURS IT BLOODY TOOK MY BREATH AWAY AND IN MY HUMBLE OPINION I THINK EGG WAS ON TO SOMETHING AND MAY WELL BE PROVEN RIGHT ...............WHICH IS A SHAME REALLY ............IN THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE BEEN DUPED .................... WHAT A SHAME .............IF BARRY CAME FORTH WITH WHAT EGG ASKED FOR I ALONG WITH OTHERS WOULD EXTEND MY APOLOGIES TO HIM, FOR DOUBTING HIS AUTHENTICITY, BUT WE AS I STATED ARE IN A PRECARIOUS POSITION ..................... SOME MORE THAN OTHERS ........... THERE IS ONLY ONE DAVID CASTER IN MIDDLESBROUGH FOR INSTANCE, OTHERS BECAUSE THEY ARE RISKING THERE LIVES AND SECURITY TO BRING FORTH INFORMATION........I HAVE NOTHING TO BRING TO THE TABLE I KNOW NOWT !
HENCE THE DECISION TO LEAVE MY NAME ON THE FORUM IN RESPECT TO THOSE WHO DO BRING TALES TO THE TABLE........FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME TO WALLOW IN !!.......JUST A SHAME SOME OF THESE TALES ARE FABLES !!!!!


MY DEEPEST RESPECT TO ALL INCLUDING BARRY AND ALL THE WHISTLEBLOWERS ESPECIALLY EGG AND SOL INVICTUS .....WHERE EVER YOU MAY BE..........KINDEST REGARDS ALL MY BEST WISHES TOO :sad:

[Kari Lynn]

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[Egg]

All it would take is a PM of your 1997 signed act or your cadre certificate from what ever unit you qualified from or the inside page of your little red book.

Send it to a Moderator such as Colin or Helen or any one of them - and if they say you have that piece of paper with nothing blanked out bar the names of the witnesses and your team leader / Commanding Officer I will issue you not only a public total apology, but a personal one as well.

Until then, I will say this - My belief albeit unprovable, is that this thread was a sophisticated psyops for unknown reasons by agents unknown.

My final passing thoughts - First of all I feel sorry for all of those people who sent their names and addresses to Mr King and possibly his handlers within his unit - is that also part and parcel or is it genuine? there lies the greatest sadness of all.

Secondly, think of this list.

David Shayler, Secret Intelligence Service, whistle blower. Stopped dead and prosecuted for breach of the Official secrets Act. Jailed.

Richard Tomlinson, Secret Service, whistle blower, stopped dead, arrested and jailed for breach of the Official Secrets Act.

Mike Coburn, Special Air Service, wrote a book about Bravo 2 Zero in GW1 blowing the whistle on the command failures. harrassed, prosecuted and chased around the globe by the UK government.

Dr David Kelly. Breached secrecy rules according to the UK government. Dead.

These boys don't mess about when it comes to keeping the lid on events, and if you look at how many people work at Groom lake, and not a word has leaked out, you begin to see how far their reach is, and how powerful their might is.

If you are real, you are protected by God and all his Angels themselves.

[THEWATCHER]

I will leave you all, Avalon members and guests alike, with these final words. I am deeply disappointed in the way this thread has been turned. OK, I can see certain individuals are naturally wary, that is good, but I'm afraid the pestering in order to satisfy one or two individuals curiosity is becoming tedious. I also object to being vetted and OK'd by members of the public. Would anyone else care to please detail their past here in an open arena if asked? My continuing disclosing data here will be put on hold. I will simply not pander to the enquiries of one or two and compromise myself and others. IF egg you know of elements within the deep black areas you will also know there are projects and programs being run by equally deep black units, unacknowledged units. No paper trails, no comebacks, no accountability. These are areas NO ONE is privy to outside of the parameters of each program. And no one should even ask, IF its to be of benefit to disclose such data it will be thus disclosed, if not then it should remain out of sight. Acknowledged, known units can be found anywhere on the internet. Open to scrutiny, their work known by friend and foe alike. Operatives from such can without much risk detail their involvement if they so choose to. I have had to weigh the balance between fully opening up here and providing further data, risking compromising myself and others, or simply saying 'enough already'. This has taken a turn away from intended disclosures and assistance I offered here. I will not pamper to the nagging doubts of the few. If the majority of truth seekers here are happy enough with my past being kept, or rather, elements of my past, kept restricted, then thats fair enough. If all required vetting there would certainly be no whistleblowers, some would be insulted. I'm just peeved. Well enough rambling. I can assist others elsewhere. My time might be more appreciated elsewhere. Till another time perhaps..........

[THEWATCHER]

All it would take is a PM of your 1997 signed act or your cadre certificate from what ever unit you qualified from or the inside page of your little red book.

Send it to a Moderator such as Colin or Helen or any one of them - and if they say you have that piece of paper with nothing blanked out bar the names of the witnesses and your team leader / Commanding Officer I will issue you not only a public total apology, but a personal one as well.

Until then, I will say this - My belief albeit unprovable, is that this thread was a sophisticated psyops for unknown reasons by agents unknown.

My final passing thoughts - First of all I feel sorry for all of those people who sent their names and addresses to Mr King and possibly his handlers within his unit - is that also part and parcel or is it genuine? there lies the greatest sadness of all.

Secondly, think of this list.

David Shayler, Secret Intelligence Service, whistle blower. Stopped dead and prosecuted for breach of the Official secrets Act. Jailed.

Richard Tomlinson, Secret Service, whistle blower, stopped dead, arrested and jailed for breach of the Official Secrets Act.

Mike Coburn, Special Air Service, wrote a book about Bravo 2 Zero in GW1 blowing the whistle on the command failures. harrassed, prosecuted and chased around the globe by the UK government.

Dr David Kelly. Breached secrecy rules according to the UK government. Dead.

These boys don't mess about when it comes to keeping the lid on events, and if you look at how many people work at Groom lake, and not a word has leaked out, you begin to see how far their reach is, and how powerful their might is.

If you are real, you are protected by God and all his Angels themselves.

You forgot one crucial element. The ONLY reason the CPS have not brought me into court is this.............I would have a fully open arena to speak out, as defending myself, and lay wide open to the media and public, a deep black program that uses genetics on unwitting individuals, that uses mindcontrolling technologies on unwitting individuals, that experiments on unwitting individuals. Not by the few but over the years by the thousands!! Do you honestly think the NSA, USAF, DoD would actually ALLOW such an open prosecution, rendering their projects to an end?


THE WATCHER

[Zeddo]

Z

[Egg]

Very good - I accept that your unwilling to even PM a moderator here with details unlike former soldiers and Royal Marine Commandos - Heck, one even sent me a picture of them at the Fort Bragg Special warfare School when I enquired. Thats how deep some folks are in the black world here.

That shut me up and I issued them an apology. I would glady do that for you public on these very pages. All it requires is a few subsantiated facts. Solid, undeniable facts.

I will leave you with one thought now - In area 51 (Groom Lake) 60 years has passed by, and not one, not a single employee has blown the whistle with proven facts. Want to know why? the second you do, the Federal Authorities are all over you like a swamp rash. Just like they are in the UK, and in both these countries people can vanish or have a nasty car accident or suicide themselves from bridges.

Governments don't play games, but psyops units do.

[Egg]

You forgot one crucial element. The ONLY reason the CPS have not brought me into court is this.............I would have a fully open arena to speak out, as defending myself, and lay wide open to the media and public, a deep black program that uses genetics on unwitting individuals, that uses mindcontrolling technologies on unwitting individuals, that experiments on unwitting individuals. Not by the few but over the years by the thousands!! Do you honestly think the NSA, USAF, DoD would actually ALLOW such an open prosecution, rendering their projects to an end?


THE WATCHER

I am going to use a saying from blastwavechaos here on Avalon.

You just #dropped a bollock# my friend, because thats where you just fell flat on your face trying to use that as a defence.

In the United kingdom it is called I believe a 'D' notice. You would also know that you would be held on remand and in solitary before, during and until the end of your trial. When found guilty the 'D' notice would stand, the papers would not touch you with a barge pole, and your life laid in tatters around your feet.

Your trial would be held in secret because of the classified nature of the evidence, there would be no jury, there would be only one judge, and that judge is the holder of a secrecy classification so high he / she can hear any and all evidence you have, and the prosecution have. Your trial (if you lived that long) would be able to tear apart your claims, get all tax files, all national insurance files, all hospital files, all telephone files, and the prosecution would tear your life to shreds.

The papers would be barred for 25 years / 50 years / 100 years from reporting on this matter under the United Kingdom secrecy rules, and you would vanish into the system, not even a blip on the back pages of the most sensasionalist papers in the UK.


In short, I am saying that you would meet the black world head on and be destroyed if you even had the remotest chance of singing like a caged canary. In fact, that your current psyops shows this to be true - you continue under their direction and tolerance - Hence forth not a single word you utter can in my opinion be believed.

Read this next bit about UFOs.

A top BBC executive let slip recently that there is a D-Notice on media reporting of the so-called "Black Triangle."

The executive, who cannot be named, is the former producer of a very
popular BBC science program. He told one of our team that the black
triangle "craft," first witnessed by hundreds in the Hudson Valley
region of the United States [mid 1980s], then by thousands in Belgium
(1989-90) and more in Britain, has been "heavily D-Noticed" by the
government. For this reason the BBC will not be reporting on the
enigmatic craft, no matter how many witness reports they receive.


http://www.virtuallystrange.net/ufo/updates/1997/apr/m14-021.shtml


BBC don't cross a D notice, so your thoughts would not even get through their doors let alone into the news.

[Zeddo]

You forgot one crucial element. The ONLY reason the CPS have not brought me into court is this.............I would have a fully open arena to speak out, as defending myself, and lay wide open to the media and public, a deep black program that uses genetics on unwitting individuals, that uses mindcontrolling technologies on unwitting individuals, that experiments on unwitting individuals. Not by the few but over the years by the thousands!! Do you honestly think the NSA, USAF, DoD would actually ALLOW such an open prosecution, rendering their projects to an end?


THE WATCHER

I fear you answered your own postulation right here. You would not be brought before a court of any kind at any time in any manner or form, they would merely illiminate you if you were indeed a threat.

I do beg to be proven wrong however and would also shout my abject apologies loud and clear. Having said that, i do not regard people cross questioning you as being tiresome. It is easy to herd sheep, less so those who are beggining to awaken, get used to it and expect being intorregated as par for the course. This is the real world, we too are finding things tiresome, like being led by the noses and made light of.

Credibility is like respect, it does not come automatically, it has to be earned.


Z

[Kari Lynn]

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[Egg]

you know, you keep talking about all these people who have been persecuted and killed, and you expect Mr. King to put himself and others of his team in the same predictament? Read what you just wrote above Egg and ask if you yourself would give such information if you knew the following Monday morning you'd have a group of military police at your door step to take you away? I'm quite sure Mr. King would likely do it, if it only pertained to himself, but it doesn't. There are 6 others in the group who's lives depend on his discretion. Not to mention his family. You're being silly to ask someone to give up such information.

Now there are those of us who have paid subscriptions who would enjoy listening to what Mr. King has to say, without your insistant prattling and droning on. Please don't infringe on our paid rights here Egg.

First off - you join just to post three times in this thread. Do you work from the same desk as Barry in his psyops unit? 3 posts, all here, all in defence of a self confessed psyops operator getting the light shone on him?

Secondly - Paid rights? I pay too - I just expect sensational claims to be backed up with even a small amount of proof. Colin is good for keeping the lid on things a moderator.

As for those people who I mention, they prove that if Mr King was telling the truth and not authorised to outside of his work as a self confessed psyops operative, he would be either jailed or dead and not a soul would know as it would fall under the 25/50/100 years secrecy rule.

Oh and lets re-visit the information I am asking for. Proof he was in the employment of Her Majesties Services in some form. Thats not a jail offence - because he could say it was before he did his secret stuff and public knowledge. His little red book would do nicely for that.

[blastawaycas]

KARI LYNNE I TOO HAVE PAID OUT OF MY £400 A MONTH DISABILITY I PAID FULL PRICE, IF I WANTED TO READ STORIES WH SMITH HAVE A GOOD FICTION SECTION STARTING AT £2.99 OR YOU CAN PICK UP GOOD FICTION FOR 10P ON A CAR BOOT SALE !!!

YOU NEED A GOOD MEMORY TO BE A GOOD LIAR :thumb_yello:

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND MY KINDEST REGARDS

[Kari Lynn]

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[Egg]

All 4 of your posts are in this thread. Now, I for one cannot believe a person would join just to defend Mr King from people who need answers to very pertinent questions.

He need not risk anything, just provide a slim glimmer of proof he was employed in her majesties services at some point in some form.

1997.

[blastawaycas]

Kari Lynne Barry King has his own website ......... surely you did not join just to read "THE WATCHER". For some reason i had never gone onto that thread ...don't know why but i started reading tonight spent over 4 hours reading ........... he was not giving anything away people were asking Q's and he was not telling them owt..........then i got to where egg was cross q'ing him and he turned into glass it was a brilliant bit of detective work on his part and a lot of people should be thankful and greatful for it

all those people who privately gave him info..........theyre all red tagged now
crikey when the s%^t hits the fan they're first to be bundled into cattle carts !!!

its a damned shame

my best wishes Kari Lynne

[Deb]

What year did you aquire American Citizenship? all operatives be they green or blue are required by Federal Law to be American Citizens able to attain at least a Top Secret clearence - or do you mean that your unit is British and you work along side members of the United States Int/MILINT services?


ROLF! are you serious! by what law are you talking about! lol! What do you think?

[Kari Lynn]

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[blastawaycas]

firstly Kari Lynn I must correct you in that in no way were you ridiculed by egg or myself, that was not our intention, i am making it sound like we are working together i assure you i am not .......... i do not know who egg is whether male or female Egg and many like him/her have given some fantastic valuable information over time...........information i might add that has put them in direct danger for there livelyhood/lives and family.

i do not bring anything to this forum other than comments or stories, i have shown my respect to those putting there jobs/lives on the line by putting my name on the forum as i stated there is only one David Caster Middlesbrough
there thats me red tagged, because believe you me you are on a hit list coming onto this forum..........THEWATCHER took a lot of people into his confidence and recieved a lot of personal mail from members now if he is agovernment plant........then thats all them red tagged, and if true Egg who i strongly suggest you try follow some of his posts has just bust him wide open, and possibly stoppedwhat could have been the destruction of Avalon.

there is no negativity here no backstabbing and no evil, surely you did not only go onto the watchers thread Avalon has much much more to offer than that.........with regards Egg...........i don't know him/her but he/she is the mutts nuts...........follow some of his/her posts kindest regards dave caster :thumb_yello:

[Kari Lynn]

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[Kari Lynn]

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[Steve_G]

Hi Kathleen

I will just quote the agent/Major that was using Barry's ID.
I know this person, have written to him. He is not Barry. But cared for the security of Barry's family and Barry himself while he lay in the hospital recouperating from almost being beaten to death by the NSA.
This is why Barry would hesitate posting any longer. Why should he subject himself to almost death, if no one believes him.

Hi Kari Lynn :welcomeani:

I haven't been following this thread but I do know that there have been over 1,000 posts and 47,000 views of it. That can hardly be equated with no-one listening. Barry King also has his fair share of supporters on this thread so there are people who believe him. However, if he was expecting everyone to believe him then it was inevitable he'd be disappointed.

Surely any whistleblower or witness has to accept that they are not going to be universally believed, and that they will be challenged on their story by some of those who hear it. They also need to accept that emotions can run high on subjects like this and that they may open themselves up to criticism if there are certain questions they cannot or will not answer.

For those hearing whistleblowers' stories it is essential that they critically evaluate them and ask whatever questions seem pertinent. Taking any of these stories at face value is pointless because of all the disinfo that has been and is still being spread around. I think it is also worth remembering that not all those who are spreading disinfo know that they are doing it- they genuinely believe what they are saying. As Richard Hoagland has said, "the lie is different on every level."

I don't know enough about Mr King and his testimony to have an opinion one way or the other. I'm simply stating what I consider universal principles in this subject area.

[blastawaycas]

here here STEVIE G nice post and well said sir

it would be a shame to lose the watcher from this site as it is up to the individual to evaluate what is being written

the watcher would respect and an unreserved appology should he wish to supply the information egg was hinting at.

but i am afraid i fear not

which as i stated is a double shame

for those dedicated supporters and who placed there confidence in him
and for Avalon itself

my respect and best wishes dave caster :thumb_yello:

[THEWATCHER]

I am remaining, watching, from the sidelines, I shall continue to idle for the time being. I do not expect anyone to simply believe anything I have disclosed over the past 15 years. Never hinted that I expected to be believed by everyone so where did that come from?. I simply refuse to have certain joe public types demand data that are within areas that are of no business to anyone here. It is surprising that Egg has a knowledge database exceeding the regular joe public types but thats his business. BUT constant demanding specific data which I feel is beyond what I am allowed to provide is becoming a nuisance value here. I would appreciate the careful thinking before certain data is posted here by others re my past. I do not take kindly to certain events being openly displayed here and will contact the individuals concerned in order to delete that data. It is not for open discussion. IF I felt it were necessary I would provide my data, as demanded by Egg, NOT to the indians but ONLY to the chiefs. I.E., Bill and Kerry, but only under specific conditions. Interview and evaluation conditions set within parameters I would set out. Provided of course I was given clearance to do such a thing. Then and ONLY then would that data be provided. I hope I have made myself clear.
I also take offense at the assumption and accusation that I have collected names and addresses of members for undesirable purposes. People from all over the World have contacted me since the early 90's once my disclosures began. Still friends with many of them. They are not tagged, redlisted or anything insidious as stated by some paranoid thinkers here. Enough is surely enough. This can go one of two ways, a continuation or an abrupt ending. Those whom feel a threat from me should perhaps refrain from entering this thread, why should I pack up and deny others assistance? Why should I not be allowed to resume my disclosures because one or two feel intimidated? Today I am in a reasonable mood so reasonable attitude comes forth.


THE WATCHER

[JSGlasgow]

bye watcher.



joe public type

[Steve_G]

The Watcher: My post was in response to the quote from yourself that Kari Lynn published in her post directly above, and also a general theme on this page of the thread about unanswered questions. I also clearly stated that I was speaking in general terms and that I hadn't formed an opinion on the content of this thread or the story it relates to.

What data you choose to release or not, and what answers you choose to provide or not, is entirely up to you. How the members of this forum choose to react to the information or lack thereof is entirely up to them.

I would also point out that I seriously doubt any of the forum members consider Bill and Kerry their "Chiefs." Project Avalon is an internet forum, not an organisation. They are not the bosses of anyone here, and personally I find your dismissal of the very people who have been taking an interest in this thread as "joe public types" and "Indians," the implication being they are unworthy of your information when compared to the "Chiefs," rather arrogant, condescending and insulting. Happily, as I previously stated, I haven't been taking an interest; a policy I will now resume without a moment's regret.

Best wishes to all.

[THEWATCHER]

The Watcher: My post was in response to the quote from yourself that Kari Lynn published in her post directly above, and also a general theme on this page of the thread about unanswered questions. I also clearly stated that I was speaking in general terms and that I hadn't formed an opinion on the content of this thread or the story it relates to.

What data you choose to release or not, and what answers you choose to provide or not, is entirely up to you. How the members of this forum choose to react to the information or lack thereof is entirely up to them.

I would also point out that I seriously doubt any of the forum members consider Bill and Kerry their "Chiefs." Project Avalon is an internet forum, not an organisation. They are not the bosses of anyone here, and personally I find your dismissal of the very people who have been taking an interest in this thread as "joe public types" and "Indians," the implication being they are unworthy of your information when compared to the "Chiefs," rather arrogant, condescending and insulting. Happily, as I previously stated, I haven't been taking an interest; a policy I will now resume without a moment's regret.

Best wishes to all.

Yes I can be arrogant and condescending just as much as others here have proven to be. Other whistleblowers have been given the courtesey of not being hounded and put up for vetting by the public here, rather by way of vetting and checking credentials by those individuals whom started and do still head this enterprise called Camelot and Avalon. The ones whom do the actual interviews, travel to witnesses, etc. An open forum here yes but its those guys whom ultimately run the show in the background. Keep reality going. I see several others that have come into this arena and have assisted little if any, rather just to sit and say 'hiya' to any member that posts. I think I have contributed a great deal here, because I wish to part with data here and assist where i can. I sincerely hope those whom wish to dig try digging at others, Dan B would be a good example. Ask to see his documentation, its only fair surely? Anyways, as I said, I'm in a reasonable mood today. But sly comments will be met with equally sly replies.

No Steve, you missed the point when I said those in charge, the chiefs, rather than joe public, should be privy to certain specific data. Not a case of joe public being unworthy, simply none of their business and have no right to know. Common practise. SOP.

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

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Kari, I would appreciate the deletion of this post, the info here is not for public consumption, thanks

Regards

THE WATCHER

[blastawaycas]

I DONT KNOW HOW TO RESPOND TO YOUR LAST POST THEWATCHER
I WILL TRY AND KNOCK SOMETHING TOGETHER AND HOPEFULLY IT MAKE SENSE.
WHAT YOU JUST WROTE KINDA INSENSED ME A BIT
I KNOW IT WAS NOT LEVELED AT ME JUST WHAT YOU WROTE
HERE WE GO
I REGULARLY GO ONTO A SITE TPUC.ORG, THIS SITE DEALS WITH THE CONSPIRACY AGAINST EVERY CITIZEN IN THE UK NEE THE WORLD WITH REGARDS TO THE WAY WE HAVE BEEN RIPPED OFF BY SUCCESIVE GOVERNMENTS SINCE THE INCEPTION OF THE MAGNA CARTA AND THE CABALS AND POWERS THAT BE WHO INSPIRE THIS DECEPTION THE CURRENT ENGINEERED "CREDIT CRUNCH" IT RUNS PARRALLEL TO THIS SITE, NOW I HAVE LEARNED A LOT AND BEEN DISGUSTED AT WHAT I HAVE LEARNED ......... THERES NOTHING I CAN DO NOTHING BUT I CAN HANDLE WHAT I HAVE LEARNED I WON'T BURST INTO FLAMES ..........................
JUST MAKES ME SAD TO KNOW HAW THE PUBLIC ARE SO MANIPULATED SO MISTREAT NO BETTER THAN SHEEP AND LEAD THEM TO SLAUGHTER IN THERE MILLIONS ALL IN THE NAME OF MONEY ..................................
BUT THERE YOU GO IF I MET GORDON BROWN TOMMORROW I WOULD NOT WANT TO TAKE HIM OUT COS OF WHAT I KNOW, I WOULD BE POLITE COURTEOUS AND SHAKE HIS HAND,
BECAUSE BEING ANY OTHER WOULD NOT CHANGE A THING

SIMILARLY WHEN I LEARN OF UFO ALIEN CONTACT UNDERGROUND BASES MUTILATION ALIEN CONSPIRACY I CAN HANDLE THAT TOO I CAN HANDLE ALL YOU TELL ME I WILL LISTEN WITH INTENT AND AN OPEN MIND I HAVE NEVER SEEN A UFO NEVER SEEN A GHOST THAT DOES NOT MAKE ME A DISBELIEVER IT DOES NOT MEAN I CANNOT HANDLE WHAT THE TRUTH IS

IF YOU TELL ME YOU THINK WE ARE AN ALIEN FOOD SOURCE I WOULD BELIEVE YOU BECAUSE WITH ALL THE DISSAPPEARINGS THE POPULATION OF OVER 6 BILLION AND CONSPIRACY THEORIES FLYING ABOUT THATS AS GOOD A CONCLUSION AS ANY ...................... BUT IF YOU TELL ME THERE IS A KINDLY OLD GENTLEMAN SITTING ON A CLOUD OVERLOOKING US CALLED GOD WHO HAS A PROBLEM HANDLING MONEY SO THAT WE SHEEPLE GIVE HIM BILLIONS OF DOLLARS EACH YEAR I WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT,

I CAN HANDLE ANY TRUTH YOU TELL ME WTH OUT SPONTANIOUS COMBUSTION YOU SIR WITH ALL MY DUE RESPECT ARE BEING A LITTLE ABOVE YOUR STATION DECIDING (FOR WANT OF A BETTER WORD) WHAT I CAN BE TOLD.............................................. .......................................
IF EVERY PERSON IN THE UK WAS TO WAKE UP WITH A LEAFLET THRU THE DOOR OUTLINING THE TRUTH THEN I DONT THINK THERE WOULD BE TOO MANY FIRES THERE WILL BE A FEW SCRUMPLED UP ONES AND ALMOST EVERYBODY WOULD STILL GO TO WORK TO PAY FOR THE PRIVALAGE OF WORKING FOR A LIVING IN THERE ILLEGAL TAXATION BROUGHT ABOUT BY SUCCESSIVE CORRUPT GOVERNMENTS.

TELL US TELL EVERYTHING WHATS THE WORST THAT CAN HAPPEN THEY CANNOT KILL US ALL COS IF THEY DO THEY KILL THEMSELVES

SURELY YOU UNDERSTAND WHY PEOPLE ARE SICK OF BEING DUPED FALSE FLAG THIS FALSE DISINFORMATION THAT ..........................................

KINDEST REGARDS DAVE CASTER :thumb_yello: :thumb_yello:

[Egg]

They are not tagged, redlisted or anything insidious as stated by some paranoid thinkers here. Enough is surely enough. This can go one of two ways, a continuation or an abrupt ending. Those whom feel a threat from me should perhaps refrain from entering this thread, why should I pack up and deny others assistance? Why should I not be allowed to resume my disclosures because one or two feel intimidated? Today I am in a reasonable mood so reasonable attitude comes forth.


THE WATCHER

Yet you insist your life is in danger if you disclose that you have in fact served a single day in a unit under Her Majesties Armed Forces direction? your little red book is not classified Barry - SAS / SBS MILINT all get a little red book with their joining date and courses attended. All serving members do from all arms at the end of their service. (You would of got one even if you just did basic training and then INT cadre at Chicksands). Its all there in black and white. I should know, as a former UK Army SF trooper here on Avalon scanned his, deleted a few bits out that are sensitive and sent it to me - no harm no foul. Another former soldier scanned his cadre certificate and sent it to me. Both are now in my highly trusted list because I know they are not bull shipping about their past.

No Chiefs bull ship, no Indian Cwap, direct comms and a email discussion off board is taking place about some rather interesting subjects as a result.

Oh and as for being intimidated by you? you couldn't be further from the truth. I just decided to show people what professional psyops people like yourself are capable of, and how your people work. In short, I showed light into a murky world where people are employed as professional liars or truth twisters shall we say to be less harsh.

Oh and i'll enter this thread every single time I want to and raise what ever points I want to, and add links to what ever I want.

Avalons not a little psyops unit playground - we all pay, and can all add what we want, when we want.

[blastawaycas]

'KIN EL YOUR ON FULL BEAM EGG :thumb_yello:

[Myplanet2]

The need and desire to be perceived in some particular way is simply ego-borne. It has nothing really to do with what one is or what one does. Those are what matter, not the careful "management" of ones image. Keeping it real speeds ones progress.

(helpful intent, in case it's not clear)

[Egg]

4. Do you have to be a U.S. Citizen to apply?

Yes. Only U.S. Citizens are eligible for NSA employment.

http://www.nsa.gov/careers/faqs/index.shtml#atNSA_4


Do I need to be a US citizen to work for the Central Intelligence Agency?

Yes, you must be a citizen of the United States when you apply to work for the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA does not assist individuals in applying for US citizenship.

https://www.cia.gov/careers/faq/index.html#gr1

The applicant’s character, conduct, and discretion must be above reproach and he/she must have unquestioned loyalty to the U.S.

The applicant must be a U.S. citizen.

http://www.dia.mil/employment/Policies/index.html

Employment
The NRO is an Intelligence Community agency which employs personnel from within the Department of Defense and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). As such, the NRO does not directly hire employees, rather, they are assigned by their respective agencies. Should you be interested in seeking employment with these agencies, please contact the following:


Department of Defense
Washington Area Service Center
1900 E. Street NW
Washington, DC 20520
(202) 606-2700

That just clears up my question about the Watchers citizen status. The links show that it is policy that your needing to to be an American Citizen to be directly employed by any US 'Uber' Agency. Not a sole gets in as a employee without being a Citizen. Oh and One of those above flies the BBD, but, your guess is as good as mine.

Oh and the link.

http://www.nro.gov/contact.html

Question is then, who was thewatcher working for as a 'security guard' at this uber elite base then? UK military? then he better front up his little red book. lol.

[Orion11]

Damn!! you people are still giving him $h!t????

all this time...

He has been answering every question thrown out there, that he possibly can...

I mean.. we all knew that eventually.. more $h!t talkers would jump back in...
its what they do... ( run out of things to say and talk $h!t about, til they find more things to talk **** about).

Do any of you, who are really tossing **** out here... really know???

here , ill answer for you... NO, you do not.

We've been through this how many times already....... but i suppose we can do it again....

for you folks who are so paranoid.. and think you are actually important enough to have a secret agent watch you and secretly get your information.....

Get
Over
Your
Selves.

Seriously.

There are a few people in here, tossing turds in Mr.Kings direction..
that i am surprised by. (i thought you were above that), ohh well.

I gave Barry ( or Barrys agent) lol.. My personal info a long time ago....
I am no Einstien, but Im no dumba$$ either....
One thing I have learned over the years.. is to trust my intuition.. as it always proves to me that it knows better then "i" do.

SO, even IF.. Mr.King is a "secret agent" trying to gather up peoples info....
I am already sure.... that whatever agenda (would be) behind it.... Would not get "them" very far. lol

in all honesty... i am not in the least bit worried about giving my info to Mr.King...
( and for more honesty, I wouldnt even care if he kept it in his computer!!!) haha

There is sooooo much more to be focusing on.. than the little stories each ones mind likes to tell them.

and THEN.... to make matters worse..... some of you people in here,
throwing negativity to Mr.King.. are some of the same ones who are always preaching Love and Positivity!!!!! Can i get a "wtf "? lol

in a nutshell, what im saying is...
I do not feel that Mr.King has any ill intentions towards good people,
as i feel, quite strongly, that he is a good person himself.

also...... Just for the paranoids entertainment...

So what if Barry was a "secret agent" trying to gather folks info?....

Are there really some people, still simple enough.. to think that everything about them hasnt already been collected,
by powers much more sinister?

also.... for more of the paranoid folks entertainment....
lets just say for a minute......
that this paranoia did actually hold some merit...... and that a few folks ( mr.King and friends), sitting somewhere in the UK, were gathering our info......

well, if they are good intel gatherers... they will soon find out...
that there are some.... who you can gather all the info you want on,
But still cannot touch.

and hes already got my info..... so, if he and his so called 'secret agents' have done their jobs properly......
they will have already learned....... that they do not want to come here....
and if they have done their jobs properly in finding out all they can about me and mine..... i have nothing to worry about. lol

All you people are doing with your paranoid guesses and delusions..
is creating more negativity.. all around. ( niice one)

If you DO know the truth, REALLY know the truth,
come on out and tell us,
but, if all you have are silly accusations that you truly have no clue as to their truths..... You shouldnt come out and accuse people of things.
especially when they have done nothing but be nice and try to help those who seek some answers.

I think Mr. King, has been exceptionally nice.... even to those who are not so kind.. ( much more so than i could be, if it were me being falsely accused).

and dont forget.... just because you are paranoid... does not mean that they are not out to get you. :mfr_lol::mfr_omg: run!!! lol

thanks for sticking around Barry. (and p.s... was that your buddies in the dark green chopper flying over my house the other day?) :mfr_omg:
:mfr_lol:

( if theres any of my info that your "little red book" does not yet contain, regarding myself, let me know, and ill be sure to give you whatever else is needed for my 'profile" k?) lol


with all of the BS in this world today... this is the least of petty a$$ things ppl need to be worried and paranoid about. Seriously man.

Thanks again man, Love n Bless :wub2:
Andy

[Orion11]

i should also add....

that i would LOVE for some secret agent to knock on my door and state that they had some "business" with me.. lol

It would only put what ive known, that is in concrete..
into granite. lol

So, secret agents.. come knock on my door, please.
Ill put the tea on.

[Orion11]

Blastawaycas: YOU NEED A GOOD MEMORY TO BE A GOOD LIAR

WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND MY KINDEST REGARDS

uhh.... yeah... calling someone a LIAR is always done with respect and kindest regards. right?

lame.

[Egg]

Orion, if you knew jack squat about anything, you would know that the Watchers 'little red book' is about him, and him alone. It is his personal file, his personal book of what he has accomplished inside Her Majesties Armed Forces.

He would of been presented it when he left gainful employment and became a contractor. :thumb_yello:

[Kari Lynn]

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[Egg]

Wow, now who's the one that's really gathering information about people here Egg? What are you doing with all that information?
Why do you feel you need to be privy to a person's private information, photo's and documents?

Comprehension skills - I learnt them when I was in Kindergarten - I suggest you try learning a set for yourself.

I want the watcher to front up to the Moderators that he has been in gainful HM Forces employment. Then I will say 'fair play' and leave it at that - he provides the proof, I'll provide the apology.

It shouldn't be too hard for him - I'll even get him the address for a re-print if he has 'lost' his first one.

he is making big claims, so he has to front up big proof.

[Egg]

Just to make it absolutely clear, I am here for the long haul, and I will be here asking each and every time he makes a remarkable claim. His claim is that he is psyops, so he has to front up proof.

I'll be like a ghost of military past / present and future in this thread. :thumb_yello:

[Kari Lynn]

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[THEWATCHER]

Then everybody is in for a long long wait, I'm not prepared to release specific data to just anybody, let alone complete strangers whom have a past themselves which perhaps they should detail in depth here for all to see. I need prove nothing to anyone here, you take or leave with I choose to disclose. You are very fixed in your sights Egg, very rigid and perhaps a tad tunnel visioned. Never heard of deep black ops? Whom said HM Gov to begin with?, in the rigid open to all world? Ever heard of deep black that goes way beyond restraints of UK or US Gov?, the open, accountable, paper trailing types. I owe you nothing by way of proof. I did not come in here shouting off hey guys I'm psy-ops, listen to me LOL LOL LOL. Someone brought that into the light, not me. Go and damn well ask, nay, demand, proof from others first, c'mon, lets see what others have to show publicly about them, C'mon Dan Burisch, c'mon all others, lets see your documentation!!. I will disclose what I choose to disclose, when I choose, without the discourtesey of being badgered by others. My reasonable mood has changed to one of being quite ****** off!!


THE WATCHER (like it or lump it)

[Egg]

Then everybody is in for a long long wait, I'm not prepared to release specific data to just anybody, let alone complete strangers whom have a past themselves which perhaps they should detail in depth here for all to see. I need prove nothing to anyone here, you take or leave with I choose to disclose.

Ill leave the psyops spin if thats all right with you.

You are very fixed in your sights Egg, very rigid and perhaps a tad tunnel visioned. Never heard of deep black ops? Whom said HM Gov to begin with?, in the rigid open to all world? Ever heard of deep black that goes way beyond restraints of UK or US Gov?, the open, accountable, paper trailing types.

Paper trail? try finding the paper trail for when the SAS trained the mujahadeen in the Hebrides. As for it not being any HM service, you mean the walter mitty school of 'psyops' locally known as the bullsheet artists? or is it even deeper than them? like so super secert even the elite in the SS don't know about it?

I owe you nothing by way of proof. Thats why your so easy to write off. You won't produce anything - yet so many of the disclosure project people produced their military IDs and past histories but you? your so UBER secret you cannot produce anything? even Bob Lazar produced a payslip.

I did not come in here shouting off hey guys I'm psy-ops, listen to me LOL LOL LOL. Had you said you were a psyops operative from the start people would of gone 'feck off tanker'.

Someone brought that into the light, not me.

Your own words, written by you said yourself you were psyops - don't blame any one else.

Go and damn well ask, nay, demand, proof from others first, c'mon, lets see what others have to show publicly about them, C'mon Dan Burisch, c'mon all others, lets see your documentation!!. I will disclose what I choose to disclose, when I choose, without the discourtesey of being badgered by others. My reasonable mood has changed to one of being quite ****** off!!


THE WATCHER (like it or lump it)

I do - often, and not here on Avalon. A guy said he worked for lockheed, so i went to a forum where I chat to people, and they vouched for the guy. That made me happy. :)

Oh and as for your change of mood? well, letting slip your psyops still tends to loosen ones train of thought I would suspect.

[Egg]

Lazar claims during the early days of his career he worked as a physicist on a highly classified government project, named Galileo. He also claimed to have received a 2 page briefing document in which it was claimed that Alien life forms indeed exist and been integrated within human evolution and that their spacecraft are being housed at S4, 15 miles away from Area 51, deep within Papoose Lake. Bob portrayed the complex as having being built into the bottom of the Papoose Range with nine aircraft style hangar doors angled at 60 degrees. ......

.....Bob Lazar evidence to support his employment and subsequent whistle blowing claims came by way of a payslip which contains the intriguing designation E-6722MAJ and an internal telephone listing of the Meson Laboratories 1982, which included Bob Lazars name. It was also identified that his taxation documents incorporated the contract number he was provided while working at Area 51. Certainly some convincing evidence to support his employment at the top secret base.


http://ukarea51.blogspot.com/2009/02/area-51-bob-lazar-and-element-115-alien.html

He got payslips and Tax data to back up his claims. see where I am coming from? He worked at groom and has proof.

[Egg]

http://www.violations.org.uk/images/bob_lazar_payslip.gif

Payslip dude.

[Orion11]

haha.

you need to get outside and get some fresh air , dude. http://projectavalon.net/forum/images/smilies/thumb_yello.gif

you can be quite the rude lil w@nker can't ya. boo.

:)

[BROOK]

Question for the watcher...
I have one question and one only...I'm not here to debate what you know or dont know...as a Whistleblower...when you signed on to this forum there is a Welcome to Avalon page..I started a thread about it recently. it states goals and Philosophy of Avalon...
Watcher..we have a right to Disclosure of all this knowledge you claim to possess...my question to you is what SOLUTION do you have for that? We as human beings on this planet have a right to know the TRUTH...what Solution do you have to present us with FULL DISCLOSURE?

[THEWATCHER]

Ignoring 'advice' from a certain quarter I will respond with this, this thread has been hijacked and there is no quick way of putting it back on track without a lot of heat being used. So, against that advice I will simply say this..............FTR, by supplying specific data as requested here to certain individuals only, this would in turn lead to other areas which although within the realms of disclosure, would not be disclosed at this time. A later date would be appropriate as the release now of that data would endanger. It would also require a very deep understanding of OPI, genetics, and a very open enquiring mind. Information would be of such a nature many here would not be able to grasp nor comprehand. It goes very deep, deeper than I or others are prepared to have released at this time. Again, against 'advice' from certain quarters I am going to enlighten Bill and Kerry as to the nature of these leads, a brief glimpse as to where they will go, and let them know why its impossible to continue here with the current state of play. If they wish to detail that to anyone I cannot stop them, but better it stayed with them for this timeframe. Its all one big shame but thats life. No winners, no losers, simply an empty field. Good day everyone.


THE WATCHER

[BROOK]

So what does that mean? I only asked what solution you have for FULL DISCLOSURE....are you saying we're not ready for it? That is not your right to say what we are ready for or not.

Again...What SOLUTION do you have for full disclosure?
MAybe I'm not understanding your last post but it sounds like you're telling us that we are not ready...and I'm here to tell you...you don't have the right to decide that.

[Jack]

One question for the watcher.


We live in a world full of liars and swindlers. If you respect your audience and care about this enough then if you felt that by just asking people to believe you when there is so much at stake then doesnt that mean that you have very little if no respect for all of these inteligent openminded people who are well within their rights to demand that you give yourself some credibility.

Remember the world is full of people that lie and cheat their way through life and their motives for doing so are as varied as grains of sand on a beach.


So by you not showing enough respect and courtesy for the people here by holding back on certain information you may as well kiss your audience goodbye. Because in this day and age it just would not be logical to just sit here and accept anything that is offered to us without first analysing it and making sure that we feel at ease with it in ourselves.

The truth can stand up on its own. Truth is not a possesion to be hoarded, and everyone is most certainly entitled to it. Otherwise, to us. Its just a lie.

[THEWATCHER]

CHRIST!!! None of you are getting it, I'm not saying I think you all are not ready for disclosure, simply THE ONE PARTICULAR AREA THAT IS IN QUESTION HERE. And what leads from that. NO, none are sufficiently ready to be informed of that one particular area. Stop making it look like I started being the shiite here, others started that. UNTIL you all are sufficiently open minded enough and have at least a certain amount of knowledge concerning the elements I stated, OPI, genetics, links with specialised teams, UNTIL then NO you cannot be given that area of data. ANYTHING else yes. I think I have bent over backwards to assist here so kindly have the courtesey to NOT make me out to be the bad guy. Please read carefully the posts I make, do not skip thru and get it all wrong.

THE WATCHER

[BROOK]

Sorry if you thought I was making you out to be a bad guy...that was not my intention...but full disclosure is what we all seek...and I believe we are all ready for whatever it is you think we might not be able to handle. That my friend is not for anyone to decide.

The fact is we are being kept in the dark, and that is wrong. especially if our tax dollars are paying for the services of the ones you speak of. It is our God given right to know the truth..for the truth will set you free
Again..sorry if you thought I was making you out to be the bad guy here...I have no reason to do so...I just thought as you are in the whistleblower thread, and giving certain information to us...that you would be the first to be on board for the full disclosure thing.

I have never posted until today in this thread...I've seen posts of the nature you speak of and I see you react as though you are up against the wall...but my friend you somewhat have put yourself there....again I don't mean to be disrespectful but it is my impression from what I've seen.
Respectfully
Brook

[blastawaycas]

BROOK I AM SURE YOU DO NOT NEED SOMEBODY TO STAND IN YOUR CORNER BUT I AM IN FULL AGREEMENT WITH WHAT YOU HAVE SAID.

THEWATCHER SOMEBODY ON THIS THREAD WROTE I CALLED YOU A LIAR ......I DID NOT SIR I MERELY INTONED THAT TO BE A GOOD LIAR YOU NEED A GOOD MEMORY............SOLICITORS/LAWYERS ARE PAID LIARS ARE THEY NOT.........

WITH THE GREATEST RESPECT SIR I AM SITTING HERE AT 1.53 am GMT IN THE MIDDLE OF MY HOME TOWN WONDERING WHAT ON EARTH CAN YOU DISCLOSE THAT WOULD CAUSE ME TO EITHER CATCH FIRE COMMIT SUICIDE OR STOP PAYING MY BILLS ................ YOU HAVE BEEN RESPECTFULLY ASKED FOR A LITTLE CREDENCE........O.K MAYBE NOT IN THE MANNER YOU ARE ACCUSTOMED TO ....................BUT EACH TO HIS OWN .........NOT EVERYBODY IS AS POLITE AS I AM ..................... GOODNESS WHAT A BORING WORLD THAT WOULD NO DOUBT BE SIR'

I ENJOY READING YOUR EXPLOITS............I FIND IT QUITE INTRIGUING....IT WOULD BE A REAL SHAME IF YOU STOPPED CONTRIBUTING TO THIS FANTASTIC SITE......................BUT YOU HAVE BEEN ASKED BY EGG TO PROVIDE US WITH A LITTLE EVIDENCE..........EGG SOUNDS TO ME VERY VERY GENUINE AND VERY BUSINESS LIKE..............CONTACT HIM PM HIM I AM SAYING HIM IT COULD BE A HER....SORRY

I AM QUITE SURE AS SURE AS I AM DISABLED THAT THIS GENT / LADY (EGG) HAS SEEN IT DONE IT AND NOWT YOU SAY WILL SHOCK OR HORRIFY HIM / HER

IF YOU HAD FOLLOWED SOME OF EGGS POSTS YOU WILL SEE THAT SOME FANTASTIC INFO ADVICE HAS BEEN WRITTEN AND IS WRITTEN IN A NO BULL TYPE MANNER...............THEWATCHER (BARRY) WITH THE GREATEST RESPECT COULD YOU PM EGG WITH WHATEVER IT IS HE/SHE HAS ASKED FOR YOU SIR HAVE A GREAT MANY ADMIRERS AND FOLLOWERS ON THIS SITE......IT WOULD BE A REAL SHAME TO (RESPECTFULLY) LOSE FACE

MY KINDEST REGARDS AND DEEPEST RESPECTS

DAVE CASTER :thumb_yello:

[blastawaycas]

AFTER A LITTLE THOUGHT I HOPE I AM NOT STEPPING ON ANYBODIES TOES BY SEEMINGLY ASKING ON EGGS BEHALF ................... I AM NOT AND MUST APPOLOGISE TO EGG IF IT SEEMS SO, IT WOULD BE NICE TO FINALISE THIS UNFORTUNATE DEBATE

ONCE AGAIN MY APPOLOGIES I WAS MEERLY ACTING OUT OF FRUSTRATION FOR WANT OF A BETTER WORD.

I MENTIONED EGG SIMPLY BECAUSE HE/SHE PRIMARILY ASKED FOR SOME CREDIT SO THEREFORE HE/SHE SEEMS THE ONE MOST EXPERIENCED TO HANDLE IT

WITH RESPECT DAVE CASTER :zip:

[Karen]

I haven't been following this thread, but the current situation is now being discussed by the moderators ...
I'm having a deja vu attack ...

This was from Kerry to the moderators on Dec 23, 2008
Hi All: I have been notified that XXXX is badgering The Watcher... Regardless of the underlying reason for that it must stop! The Watcher is our guest. He is a whistleblower and regardless of your personal opinion of him I request that you do not interfere with his posts... or argue with him. If you want to communicate your pov to me you are welcome to do so. Thank you. Kerry

[Kari Lynn]

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[blastawaycas]

GOOGLE IMAGES BOB LAZAR PAYSLIP AND IT IS THERE IN GLORIOUS BLACK 7 WHITE !!!!! ................... CASTING ASPERTIONS Kari Lynn !!!

you are turning this personal

as regards the other you do need to be US citizen to work for any of the agencies !!!!!!!!!!!!!

with respect Dave

[Helvetic]

Its realy a shame what Im reading here. Im following this tread since the beginning.
Instead paying respect to the whistleblowers some paranoid people badgering and discredit the people coming foreward.
Whats wrong with you people? No wonder whistleblowers leave this forum.
You want disclosure? How do you think you can handle the truth if you cant handle the truth in a single forum tread?
This is again a nice measurement to proof people are not ready, sad but true.

[Ara]

CHRIST!!! None of you are getting it, I'm not saying I think you all are not ready for disclosure, simply THE ONE PARTICULAR AREA THAT IS IN QUESTION HERE. And what leads from that. NO, none are sufficiently ready to be informed of that one particular area. Stop making it look like I started being the shiite here, others started that. UNTIL you all are sufficiently open minded enough and have at least a certain amount of knowledge concerning the elements I stated, OPI, genetics, links with specialised teams, UNTIL then NO you cannot be given that area of data. ANYTHING else yes. I think I have bent over backwards to assist here so kindly have the courtesey to NOT make me out to be the bad guy. Please read carefully the posts I make, do not skip thru and get it all wrong.

THE WATCHER

Barry all information you share with us I consider to be a gift. :flowers2:

You are the first whistleblower I am aware of who has been willing to come to the table and answer unrelenting questions posited by the public, myself in particular and I am very grateful for your honest responses.

Please continue to post at your discretion as there are those of us willing to wait until the green light shines for other information.

So no rush, we are not going anywhere.:original:

Take care

All the Best
Ara

[iainl140285]

Back to this again eh Barry. Having to defend yourself to winde up merchants. :zip:

The beauty of a forum is you can read what you want. Take what you want from it. Speak to whom ever you choose and ignore the rest/pest.

I recommend you ignore the 'rest' Barry.
You disclose whatever you feel you can and want to because there are those who are always watching and ready to receive your info. :thumb_yello::original:

You do not need to disclose personal details just to appease people. I dont see your interrogators posting their own wage slips on here but are happy to display that of others! :naughty: If they do not believe you, they should move on.

Keep calm, dont feed them.

Peace
Respect
Iain

[Steve_G]

The wage slip posted by Egg is freely available all over the internet. It is already in the public domain having been released by Bob Lazar himself. There are no moral, ethical or legal concerns to it being re-posted here.

[iainl140285]

The wage slip posted by Egg is freely available all over the internet. It is already in the public domain having been released by Bob Lazar himself. There are no moral, ethical or legal concerns to it being re-posted here.

I agree Steve, my point was it isnt his own personal info. he is posting, yet because one whistelblower was willing to supply his details does not mean that ALL whistleblowers are required to follow suit.

If I was requesting someone to supply such info. I would have to be willing to provide the same info. or the equivalent personal info. myself.


Peace
Iain

[Steve_G]

I agree Steve, my point was it isnt his own personal info. he is posting, yet because one whistelblower was willing to supply his details does not mean that ALL whistleblowers are required to follow suit.


I know Iain, it wasn't specifically directed at anyone- only timing put the post under yours. My only intention was to clarify that no invasion of privacy has taken place to avoid any misunderstandings.

Goodwill

Steve

[Steve_A]

Hi Karen,

I think you spelt my name wrong. :)

It's not written XXXX, it's written steve_a.

I was probably the first to doubt the veracity of Mr. Kings' claims, but was asked to lay off, which of course I did.

I may not be able to write about what I think about Mr. King and his claims, however I can still think about them.

Which brings me to this post. It's better to not argue the toss with someone in the forums when they make incredible claims. Just decide if you think what is being presented is the truth.

If you have a doubt, ask searching questions. Analyse the answers.

Truth is unique, sole, mighty, as there is only one.

Slavver ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slavver ) comes in many shapes and sizes.

Best regards,

Steve


I haven't been following this thread, but the current situation is now being discussed by the moderators ...
I'm having a deja vu attack ...

This was from Kerry to the moderators on Dec 23, 2008
Hi All: I have been notified that XXXX is badgering The Watcher... Regardless of the underlying reason for that it must stop! The Watcher is our guest. He is a whistleblower and regardless of your personal opinion of him I request that you do not interfere with his posts... or argue with him. If you want to communicate your pov to me you are welcome to do so. Thank you. Kerry

[Helvetic]

You did it again Steve_A! Whats wrong with you?
Nobody needs your arrogant, stupid comments and links about "Slavver" here!! :wall:

[Steve_A]

Hi Helvetic,

I didn't think I was being arrogant to post a point of view.

If that comes across as arrogant to you, I can accept it, due to our difference in culture, but on the contrary of being arrogant I also stated that we shouldn't bicker in the forum, that we should just accept or not what is being posted.

To my suprise the very first post came from somebody who wanted to bicker. Go figure.

I put a link to "slavver" as an afterthought to try and explain what the word meant in the context that I used it. Not everybody is from the UK in this forum. You will notice that the link points to an 'urbain' dictionary, which explains slang words. Slavver in its' true sense wouldn't have made sense in the sentance.

Best regards,

Steve

You did it again Steve_A! Whats wrong with you?
Nobody needs your arrogant, stupid comments and links about "Slavver" here!! :wall:

[Helvetic]

I dont care if your "Slavver" points to an urbain dictionary or not.
We all know your point of view in this subject from your previous posts...

This was from Kerry to the moderators on Dec 23, 2008
Hi All: I have been notified that Steve_A is badgering The Watcher... Regardless of the underlying reason for that it must stop! The Watcher is our guest. He is a whistleblower and regardless of your personal opinion of him I request that you do not interfere with his posts... or argue with him. If you want to communicate your pov to me you are welcome to do so. Thank you. Kerry

And I dont think the "difference in culture" gives you the right to treaten a
person this way, its poor and respectless. This is my point of view!

[THEWATCHER]

http://www.violations.org.uk/images/bob_lazar_payslip.gif

Payslip dude.

a payslip yes Dude, but does not validate the claim he worked at alleged S4 on back engineering does it? Which was the actual claim he made..........:original:

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

Hi Karen,

I think you spelt my name wrong. :)

It's not written XXXX, it's written steve_a.

I was probably the first to doubt the veracity of Mr. Kings' claims, but was asked to lay off, which of course I did.

I may not be able to write about what I think about Mr. King and his claims, however I can still think about them.

Which brings me to this post. It's better to not argue the toss with someone in the forums when they make incredible claims. Just decide if you think what is being presented is the truth.

If you have a doubt, ask searching questions. Analyse the answers.

Truth is unique, sole, mighty, as there is only one.

Slavver ( http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=slavver ) comes in many shapes and sizes.

Best regards,

Steve

A number have made incredible claims here, among the insiders and whistleblowers, not many can verify what they actually claim. CHECK IT! You want names? And I can see a few such slavvers here in this thread, pointing no fingers of course LOL

THE WATCHER

[Steve_A]

Hi Helvetic,

I have never threatened anybody on this forum.

I would like to know where you got this sort of information from as this is a very serious accusation.

I know that everybody knows my position from previous posts. That's why I posted them, to let people know.

You see I hide nothing. It's better that way.

Best regards,

Steve



I dont care if your "Slavver" points to an urbain dictionary or not.
We all know your point of view in this subject from your previous posts...



And I dont think the "difference in culture" gives you the right to treaten a
person this way, its poor and respectless. This is my point of view!

[Steve_A]

Hi THEWATCHER,

Yes, you're right.

There are some that have made incredible claims in the forums. I also reserve the right to think about those as I wish also, and I do. :)

But the point of my post was to try to avoid tittle tattle and to just try and get to the meat.

If we choose not to beleive, are we wrong? If on the other hand we choose to beleive, are we right?

It's that decision we arrive at that should be made in our own minds.

Best regards,

Steve


A number have made incredible claims here, among the insiders and whistleblowers, not many can verify what they actually claim. CHECK IT! You want names? And I can see a few such slavvers here in this thread, pointing no fingers of course LOL

THE WATCHER

[Helvetic]

Maybe its the "difference in culture" that I dont wanna repeat and quote everything twice here. ;)
Use your mouse to scroll back.
And now lets go back to business.

Regards,
Helvetic

[Kari Lynn]

*

[Steve_A]

Hi Helvetic,

Now you can understand what I was trying to say.

You could have meant to say 'treat' (which is what I really thought) a person this way instead of threaten (which is what I used just to put a cat amongst the pidgeons).

Just by that one word I reckon you're from Der Schweiz and not from Svizzera nor Suisse. I would break out in Romanche but I wouldn't want to appear arrogant. :)

I lived in Geneva for almost a year and also another in Basel so thankfully I know more or less how the Swiss are.

Best regards,

Steve




Maybe its the "difference in culture" that I dont wanna repeat and quote everything twice here. ;)
Use your mouse to scroll back.
And now lets go back to business.

Regards,
Helvetic

[Egg]

a payslip yes Dude, but does not validate the claim he worked at alleged S4 on back engineering does it? Which was the actual claim he made..........:original:

THE WATCHER

Two words.

NAVAL INTELLIGENCE

That proved beyond doubt on an official tax form that Mr Lazar was employed by an Intelligence Agency. In what capacity is up to us to believe or ponder upon. You cannot even produce a shred of evidence that you have worked for any branch of any service in any capacity at all.


Edited because I was out of order. I also apologise to Barry King for the tart remarks whole heartedly as it doesn't help at all - So again, my apologise here in public for the tart remarks about his recruitment.

[Steve_G]

People are always going to have differing views on the information given by the watcher, and anyone else for that matter. This is fine. Every member has the right to express those views, both pro and con, and ask questions pertaining to the info. They can also ask for proof of claims, though it is entirely the decision of thewatcher (or whoever) as to whether they provide any or not.

People are then perfectly within their rights to state their opinion on whichever course of action is taken.

All we ask is that the discourse is kept civil, and that members treat each other with a degree of courtesy irrespective of differing opinions. This applies to EVERYONE posting on this forum. We do not practise censorship here at Avalon.

However we DO reserve the right to temporarily close threads for a "cooling off period" if things are getting out of hand. It isn't something we enjoy doing, and I don't think it's happened once this year. We'd like to keep it that way.

Thank you and goodwill to all.

Steve G

[BROOK]

Two words.

NAVAL INTELLIGENCE

That proved beyond doubt on an official tax form that Mr Lazar was employed by an Intelligence Agency. In what capacity is up to us to believe or ponder upon. You cannot even produce a shred of evidence that you have worked for any branch of any service in any capacity at all.




Egg....for crying out loud...enough is enough...you've made YOUR view point...now get on with it...there are 44 pages of text here...and the ones that are enjoying this thread are missing their regular messages from their friend the Watcher......
I just happened upon this thread the other day and got right smack in the middle of your rath...I did not enjoy it much...I came here quite innocently to ask a simple question..and the Watcher thought I was pinning him against the wall...because of you....
If you do not agree say so and take off your gloves and walk away...that simple.
I wanted to know a simple question...related to one of the links on his signature....that is all watcher...I'm not here to debate if you are for real or not...it seems you've done great research..and many here are enjoying this thread....EGG....why do you insist on ruining that for the ones that enjoy this mans thread and messages?

Well..quite simply get on with it and find something else to debate...again your point was noted..but the others here want to get on with the business at hand...44 pages of information...I have not even begun to fathom everything here...but everyone here has the right to be heard...you seem bent on stopping it...let it go and get on..I think the followers of this thread have been quite clear that they are inline with the Watcher...and you are stopping it....not you post in life my friend.
My humble opinion
Brook

[Egg]

If it is written by a psyops person, I have every right to debate till the 'cows come home' if the information inside this thread is valid, partially valid or a total fabrication and a tissue box of lies.

Every one has to make up their own mind if a thread by a person who has admitted they are a continued employee (albeit a contractor) to a psyops unit can be taken as having any validity.

All I ask is a single shred of proof that Mr King has ever had any training, contact or employment in any arena where the spooks gather their non accredited operatives from.

One single pay slip would solve this issue - Bob Lazar could produce a payslip from Naval Intelligence, so it shouldn't be too hard for Mr King to have kept some thing to prove he has at least some form of contact within the squirrel den?

[BROOK]

I think from everything I've read...you've asked and been denied..so give it up...:mfr_omg: You've made your point

[Egg]

I think from everything I've read...you've asked and been denied..so give it up...:mfr_omg: You've made your point



I have asked and been denied, you are very correct. However, I will not give up, and I have marked the thread and its contents for special 'Egg' attention. I am gathering a list of all authors, all groups (disclosure project springs to mind here as well as others), all UFO investigators and others who have used Mr Kings material (and the list of Mr Kings users is vast and he is quoted in many texts), and will now start to comb through and contact them and ask wether they are aware Mr King is a current psyops operative (albeit contractor) as he himself has stated.

My view is that if they are aware of this and have not stated it in their materials, this then throws it open as to wether there is / or the potential for an on going push inside the UFO and other communities for the spreading and dissemination of materials given the green light by psyops units and the real material is stamped heavily on. In other words, the truth gets squashed and the lies or part lies / part truth gets 'out'.

Lordy Lordy, a psyops operative as a UFO field investigator. The world suprises me every day.

[THEWATCHER]

Hi THEWATCHER,

Yes, you're right.

There are some that have made incredible claims in the forums. I also reserve the right to think about those as I wish also, and I do. :)

But the point of my post was to try to avoid tittle tattle and to just try and get to the meat.

If we choose not to beleive, are we wrong? If on the other hand we choose to beleive, are we right?

It's that decision we arrive at that should be made in our own minds.

Best regards,

Steve

Correct Steve, to blindly accept and believe is wrong, just as it is to blindly disbelieve without at least giving a fair hearing. The middleground is all I seek here. To present my data and let you all decide if it is truthful to you. Why would anyone continue for 15 years disclosing the data if there was little hope of others coming forward at some stage to validate and verify that data. Regards, Barry

THE WATCHER

[Egg]

To those members who are annoyed by the questions being asked Mr King there is an ignore option.



That made me chuckle. A moderator on a forum for open minded people showing how to ignore a questioning mind on the forum.

If the question bothers you then maybe your not so worried about the questions answer?

No disrespect meant, I just find irony in it is all.

[THEWATCHER]

I have asked and been denied, you are very correct. However, I will not give up, and I have marked the thread and its contents for special 'Egg' attention. I am gathering a list of all authors, all groups (disclosure project springs to mind here as well as others), all UFO investigators and others who have used Mr Kings material (and the list of Mr Kings users is vast and he is quoted in many texts), and will now start to comb through and contact them and ask wether they are aware Mr King is a current psyops operative (albeit contractor) as he himself has stated.

My view is that if they are aware of this and have not stated it in their materials, this then throws it open as to wether there is / or the potential for an on going push inside the UFO and other communities for the spreading and dissemination of materials given the green light by psyops units and the real material is stamped heavily on. In other words, the truth gets squashed and the lies or part lies / part truth gets 'out'.

Lordy Lordy, a psyops operative as a UFO field investigator. The world suprises me every day.

LOL LOL YOU ARE taking this very personally Egg, almost a crusade of yours LOL LOL. Do you honestly think any of the lets see, authors, groups, organisations, etc, that you say you are going to contact, will even acknowledge such a request from someone with a bee in his bonnet?. You were informed by a posting earlier the course of action I will be taking. If you cannot comprehend that text or its meaning re your constant demands then thats your problem.
The matter is closed...................

THE WATCHER

[Egg]

Now Mr King, it depends on who I am, what my background is and what I can bring to the table in exchange for their assistance.

Having some proper documentation about my / our back grounds helps, and that is what these people and I possess - documents. Documents that prove their / our back grounds and help to substantiate what we are saying. In short it puts them where they said they were, when they were.

Bearing in mind that this group of people I can bring to the table number more than 10, had never met before and many have not met each other still, and yet they all say the same similar version of events in a small time frame - well, it would do my credibilty no harm at all would it?


In short Mr King, I and the others can offer credible proof of who and what we say we were, some thing you are sadly lacking in.

The proof they say is in the pudding, and from our group you can choose 10 flavours or more. You? well with you we get denied seeing the menu let alone the ingredients.

[Jacqui D]

Wow i have been away for 2 days and i have missed all this!!
There are some interesting thoughts here i myself have had some doubts into Mr Kings speculations, just a nagging feeling i have, although i have continued to post and ask questions prior to this discussion.
No disrespect Barry but i feel there are many on this forum who are not what they seem.
I am one of those that received your dvds and i hope my name is not going on some list somewhere but saying that what's private when you post on these sites anyway.
I came to Avalon because i found Camelot to be so revealing with it's interviews and i felt for once i had found an outlet to have my say on certain experiences i have had through my life.
If those experiences have been used in anyway then i have myself to blame for trusting certain people, that's the choice i made be it good or bad.
The members here will either take your word or not Barry i will continue to read but i will not be posting anymore.

[BROOK]

Wow i have been away for 2 days and i have missed all this!!
There are some interesting thoughts here i myself have had some doubts into Mr Kings speculations, just a nagging feeling i have, although i have continued to post and ask questions prior to this discussion.
No disrespect Barry but i feel there are many on this forum who are not what they seem.
I am one of those that received your dvds and i hope my name is not going on some list somewhere but saying that what's private when you post on these sites anyway.
I came to Avalon because i found Camelot to be so revealing with it's interviews and i felt for once i had found an outlet to have my say on certain experiences i have had through my life.
If those experiences have been used in anyway then i have myself to blame for trusting certain people, that's the choice i made be it good or bad.
The members here will either take your word or not Barry i will continue to read but i will not be posting anymore.

OMG...you all need to take a break and read my thread about the goals of Avalon....here it is
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12835

Then you need to take a breather...and listen to this....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvIDmZ8_mio

Where is the love y'all :wub2:

[blastawaycas]

AS EGG SAID MR KING ...............WHY DO YOU NOT JUST P.M. EGG HE CAN KEEP TO HIM/HER SELF WHAT YOU REVEAL IF EGG WAS TO SAY MR KING IS THE REAL DEAL ............................... THAT'LL DO FOR DAVEY BOY

WITH THE GREATEST RESPECT MR KING I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING ALL OUTTA SHAPE ABOUT ................... JEEZE LOOKA ALL THE GROUPIES YA GOT ...................... WISH I WAS THAT POPULAR, I ONLY GET A SUNDAY DINNER WHEN ITS PAYDAY, AND EGG IN MY OPINION FOR ITS WORTH IS SOMEONE IN THE KNOW OR VERY WELL INFORMED, AND IN THE INTERESTS OF HIS SECURITY HE CAN TRUST YOUR GOODSELF WITH ANY AND ALL INFO HE BRINGS TO THE TABLE.

I AM JUST TRYING TO LIGHTEN THE MOOD A LITTLE HERE I AM NOT BEING FLIPPANT ...................... BUT YOU ARE BOTH PROFFESSIONALS AND I AM QUITE SURE MR KING YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND EGGS TREPIDATION ...THAT MIGHT BE THE WRONG WORD BUT I THINK YOU MIGHT KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

KINDEST REGARDS DAVE CASTER :thumb_yello:

[blastawaycas]

:wink2:BROOK YOUR THREAD IS GREAT AND I HAVE GIVEN YOU MY THOUGHTS AND WHAT MANKINDS GOALS SHOULD BE ............WE SHOULD PUT WOMEN IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING................OK THERE MIGHT BE A FEW GLITCHES AT FIRST !!
BUT THERE WOULD BE NO MORE WARS HORROR OR MAIMING MURDER AND MAYHEM MY DEEPEST RESPECT DAVE :thumb_yello:

[BROOK]

:wink2:BROOK YOUR THREAD IS GREAT AND I HAVE GIVEN YOU MY THOUGHTS AND WHAT MANKINDS GOALS SHOULD BE ............WE SHOULD PUT WOMEN IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING................OK THERE MIGHT BE A FEW GLITCHES AT FIRST !!
BUT THERE WOULD BE NO MORE WARS HORROR OR MAIMING MURDER AND MAYHEM MY DEEPEST RESPECT DAVE :thumb_yello:

:wub2:

[Egg]

An IQ of 162 Mr King?

Can i state this, in considering this i would have to answer the critics whom would possibly say of this "see, seeking more attention". Notice i am trying to compose this post in an orderly way befitting someone with an IQ of 162, strange, how exactly does someone compose posts with relation to their intelligence? you mention that great man Einstein, did we ever get to see his ramblings when he might have had a s***** day, or was in great pain, or totally fatigued?. Unfortunately not. My problem is simply that its impossible over the internet to show how i am healthwise. How being in great pain in my arms and legs 24/7 sometimes so bad i cannot walk. The internet is faceless, emotionless. You cannot see that or sense that. Sure i get annoyed, angered at times, normal people do if they face irritants of one kind or another. Put irritation on chronic fatigue, and a lot of pain you are going to get from me great annoyance and little patience. That you must deal with, no apologies.


http://www.ufoevolution.com/forums/showthread.php?t=646

Yet you were a mere security guard?


You are the public, you do not know the workings of military nor intelligence agencies. You might think you do but you are on the outside. Maybe thats what wrangles you, because you are kept out of things you cannot bear the idea of someone whom was within those circles. I have signed the OSA section 2 and if it were not for the fact that if I were to be prosecuted by the Crown both UK and US governments would be called upon to testify and then they would be held accountable for the work carried out in these installations. The CPS has been held at bay simply due to that fact, arrest me, take me to trial and all the nasty little secrets are thrown wide open. Bill Cooper? please. You have no blooming idea as to whats going on in the real world. YOU my friends are the ones delusional and fantasy prone by living in your safe little cosy worlds. As soon as someone comes along and rocks the boat you spit your dummies out. Because of the harm i have faced is one of the reasons my health is very poor now, you lot make my blood boil at times. Continue to sit in your cosy armchairs safely reading and posting on your little forums, the real world is out there and can be very scary. Too much so for the tiny minds of debunkers.


http://www.ufoevolution.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7622#post7622

These are all your own words. Gee am I having a blast reading all about you on the net. Imagine what else I am going to dig up when I get really busy.

The two bold parts made me chuckle. Ex- Special forces and military people are willing to come forward and provide proof of their former pasts. Secondly, the UK Crown can have National Security matters tried in secret.

Then you go on to rant about people not able or willing to provide proof.

Even John Lear, now lets see, simply because he is the mighty John Lear everyone listens to his every word, and it must be true cos big John says so. Holograms at WTC? must be true cos big John says so. No proof of course but thats acceptable. Do yourselves a favor and go listen to the claims made by others, without so much as a grain of proof between them re their claims, check out those interviewed by Project Camelot for instance. Listen carefully at their outlandish, living in fantasy world claims as i'm sure you must surely tarnish us all with same brush. Go on, get off your **** and listen to their stories....................

Yet you expect us to listen to you without YOU having any proof at all. This next ones a gem. Security Enforcement Officer. Who recruited you? and could you provide at least a P45?

You are perfectly entitled to your opinion of course, problem being i was there, you were not and there is little movement. I did not go from being a very high profile ufo investigator of the 70's, to simply jumping right in as a security enforcement officer, not a guard, you see ordinary guards at warehouses and the like. A damn site more involved.

http://www.ufoevolution.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7581#post7581

This role - have any formal training at all? any certificates? any payslips or was it cash in hand?

In 2006 you really were not in a good mood were you? Mr Big Bad Wolf.

You do not know the seriousness of the situation, blinded little civilians never will.
Keep harking on about booksales you idiots and I might just have to let loose a few volleys!

Blinded Civvies hey? you really don't like getting questioned do you? Boy oh boy though does it get better the more I read!

Oh dear, if you think my bark is worse than my bite try asking the poor buggers whom now lay six feet under.

Gee Whizz Mr Watcher, thats a nice little turn of phrase from you there. Don't worry though, I copied it all to hard disk in case you go back and delete it.:thumb_yello:

Have Military involvement since 70's with aspects of Ufology, including MILABs.

http://www.alien-ufos.com/Secret-Page-t14263.html

Your words Mr King. You researched and then ran straight back to the Military? those poor witnesses.

Again I took the liberty to copy this all down just in case. The web really is the most 'digger friendly' place Mr King, it really is.

AND HERE IT IS MR KING!

What I did in my days in the Military are none of your concern. I'm doing you a bloody favor here so try to not be a *****, I can take this or leave this, your loss believe me.

http://www.alien-ufos.com/Secret-Page-t14263.html&st=20

Mr King! by your own words, you were in the military. Hence forth you have a little red book. :thumb_yello: or is that another psyops type slip up?

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Mr King, I haven't even started in archive searches yet. What other little bits of sunshine am I going to find? This little gem maybe? again you press great emphasis on your military skills.

PROOF MR KING - I DEMAND PROOF OF YOUR MILITARY / FORMER MILITARY STATUS.:thumb_yello:

Well you stupid little ******* you deserve this kind of response, pity you are not in my locale, your sort of ******** needs to be shown some manners. Firstly, 'secret agent' you dumb arsed twonk!! In the Military sunshine, you kill under orders, have a problem with that you gormless little tit.

http://www.alien-ufos.com/Secret-Page-t14263.html&st=20

Some one was not very happy with that was he? again mr King, I saved it just in case you wanted to try and delete it.

If I were in the Military still, and somehow you managed to wander into my sights, I guess I might just be tempted to squeeze the trigger LOL

Mr King - What was your military number? hmmmm? please enlighten me as to what unit your were with. My friends can check, really quickly - seconds even. lol. However, such a trigger puller like yourself must of been special. I know lots of special people mr king, do they know you?

sarcastic little runt aren't you?, why not check with Dr Steven Greer and his team. I would not give you the time of day, Ben on the other hand might be sent proof I'm a DP Witness. You sunshine need a good thump.

I will check with Dr Greer, believe me I will. Then i'll share what is relayed to me. Good of you to suggest it to some one else though as it gave me an insight into your thinking. All 162 points of that IQ.

This digging is fun - the picture of you it paints is superb. Ill enjoy making this thread. :thumb_yello:

[Myplanet2]

Hey Egg. Your last post was at 9-11 my time. If you're one of those number crunchin' types.

[Egg]

Now I have a little treasure to share with you all about how people are recruited into the psyops world from the military. This information is from a person who trod the black boards and dropped into that secretive world.

First - your in the military. You join up, take the oath and do basic training. Then you do a few years and get two stripes / three stripes. Then you get a skill or more skilled.

You then get 'the nod'. You go through selection, get your beret badge swapped over, get a new staple belt and your going to then go through more training in your specialist field. Psyops and their type go to Chicksands. Language boys go to Beaconsfield. Every one comes to Sennybridge for advanced fire arms courses. Then its back into civvies and ply your trade

Quoted from a former military person who took the time to email me.

Mr King - you can provide us with your cadre certificates as they are not classified. In fact, you would be very proud of them if you have them. Thats if you were military and not lying.

Are you lying Mr King? or is it another psyops game? Tangled little web you weave I have to admit.

You have the floor Mr King.

[Egg]

Hey Egg. Your last post was at 9-11 my time. If you're one of those number crunchin' types.

Mr Kings own personal 9-11 perhaps?:lmao:

http://wikibin.org/articles/barry-m.-king.html

Maybe Mr 'big bad wolf' king could show us where in this time line he was in the military.

[THEWATCHER]

Now Mr King, it depends on who I am, what my background is and what I can bring to the table in exchange for their assistance.

Having some proper documentation about my / our back grounds helps, and that is what these people and I possess - documents. Documents that prove their / our back grounds and help to substantiate what we are saying. In short it puts them where they said they were, when they were.

Bearing in mind that this group of people I can bring to the table number more than 10, had never met before and many have not met each other still, and yet they all say the same similar version of events in a small time frame - well, it would do my credibilty no harm at all would it?


In short Mr King, I and the others can offer credible proof of who and what we say we were, some thing you are sadly lacking in.

The proof they say is in the pudding, and from our group you can choose 10 flavours or more. You? well with you we get denied seeing the menu let alone the ingredients.

And so what is this background of yours/theirs? this magnificent 10? As you continually miss what was posted before, this goes around in circles. Care to openly publicly state who you are and whom the others are if you think you are all so much alike? Just what IS your agenda Egg? You also yap a lot now you back up whatever it is you think you are trying to say.

THE WATCHER

[blastawaycas]

WELL THATS IT THEN.............YOU SEE ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS GIVE EGG A SQUINT OF YOUR "LITTLE RED BOOK" NOW LOOK AT WHAT YOU'VE GONE AN DONE .........EGG HAS GONE ALL SHERLOCK HOLMES , AND HE IS DIGGING WITH A BIG SPADE...........ALL YOU HAD TO DO WAS SHOW HIM YOUR DAMNED BOOK.............YOUR GONNA LOSE ALL THEM GROUPIIES NOW'
SILLY BOLLOCKS

THIS IS GONNA BE A REAL INTERESTING BUST, I MEAN THREAD :blowup:

REGARDS AND RESPECT DAVE CASTER

[THEWATCHER]

Wow i have been away for 2 days and i have missed all this!!
There are some interesting thoughts here i myself have had some doubts into Mr Kings speculations, just a nagging feeling i have, although i have continued to post and ask questions prior to this discussion.
No disrespect Barry but i feel there are many on this forum who are not what they seem.
I am one of those that received your dvds and i hope my name is not going on some list somewhere but saying that what's private when you post on these sites anyway.
I came to Avalon because i found Camelot to be so revealing with it's interviews and i felt for once i had found an outlet to have my say on certain experiences i have had through my life.
If those experiences have been used in anyway then i have myself to blame for trusting certain people, that's the choice i made be it good or bad.
The members here will either take your word or not Barry i will continue to read but i will not be posting anymore.

Thanks for nothing Jacqui, swayed by certain people here. You received gratis data, your emails are perfectly confidential, Oh well.

THE WATCHER

[blastawaycas]

Thats you red tagged jaqui d !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

[Egg]

You claim to be ex-military. You state you are current psyops operative. You cannot prove either or are unwilling to provide even a single shred of any evidence for any of your 'covert' activities.

Then your not military at all, you are a civilian security guard, then a security enforcement officer... no wait, then your involved with the military... but wait, your still a civvie thats protected by the Defence Intelligence world.

Yet you cannot provide a shred of evidence you were ever in the Military or any specialist field at all. Not a single scrap of evidence at all - not even a peep at your little red book, not even a cadre course certificate even.

Your history is a tangled mystery, or is it lies? or is it part of the continued involvement within the psyops world? what is it Mr King? fantasy? fiction? Lies? psyops meddling? Please provide us with the answer.

Oh and before you get all panty wadded, libel and slander do not apply to questions being asked, only stated facts.

[THEWATCHER]

AS EGG SAID MR KING ...............WHY DO YOU NOT JUST P.M. EGG HE CAN KEEP TO HIM/HER SELF WHAT YOU REVEAL IF EGG WAS TO SAY MR KING IS THE REAL DEAL ............................... THAT'LL DO FOR DAVEY BOY

WITH THE GREATEST RESPECT MR KING I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE GETTING ALL OUTTA SHAPE ABOUT ................... JEEZE LOOKA ALL THE GROUPIES YA GOT ...................... WISH I WAS THAT POPULAR, I ONLY GET A SUNDAY DINNER WHEN ITS PAYDAY, AND EGG IN MY OPINION FOR ITS WORTH IS SOMEONE IN THE KNOW OR VERY WELL INFORMED, AND IN THE INTERESTS OF HIS SECURITY HE CAN TRUST YOUR GOODSELF WITH ANY AND ALL INFO HE BRINGS TO THE TABLE.

I AM JUST TRYING TO LIGHTEN THE MOOD A LITTLE HERE I AM NOT BEING FLIPPANT ...................... BUT YOU ARE BOTH PROFFESSIONALS AND I AM QUITE SURE MR KING YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND EGGS TREPIDATION ...THAT MIGHT BE THE WRONG WORD BUT I THINK YOU MIGHT KNOW WHAT I MEAN.

KINDEST REGARDS DAVE CASTER :thumb_yello:

with all due rspects Egg has no right to ask for such personal documentation in the first place, he is setting himself up here as judge and jury, an ordinary member of a forum with no special rights. It was HE if you recall that stated he would not give any psy-ops op the time of day. He could well have left things at that and moved on. BUT NO, he has continued to badger, annoy and **** people off with his constant digging. Even when it was nicely politely explained why such 'proof' would lead onto other areas he is not privy to and that an idea would be to perhaps explain these follow thru areas to Bill and Kerry, he still goes on and on. I sense this is something Egg does constantly, should I check other threads around here to see if this is his agenda. Going back to where this all hit a nerve for Egg was when, out of politeness I answered a question from a member. I could of course have said no BUT being truthful I said yes, but not active due to health and age. NOT ACTIVE I believe were the words used Egg. You could well be placed in the category of agent provocateur Egg for your constant annoyance, trying to influence members here to see things as you want them to see. Those perhaps might say they too sensed something but its very much more like sheeple following a line, jumping on the current bandwagon of now lets keep digging. Its becoming very annoying to see from some about being placed on lists and using their data yadda yadda yadda. Get a grip people. I sent YOU data freely on discs. You have MY data. If anyone thinks that their data, even if its names and addresses only are worthy of close scrutiny by any agency you really need step back, look at yourself and realise that perhaps its of little or no importance to others. That might knock any egos around here but thats life. Try to understand that IF, IF any agency wanted to snoop and gather data they simply have to come here and read for themselves, IF they could be bothered. This place is becoming a circus, insulting the intelligence of several individuals, mine included. If Egg you place yourself above others here as a leader of 'right to see documentation' then you will sadly be disappointed when your role is seen by certain parties as ridiculous.

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

You claim to be ex-military. You state you are current psyops operative. You cannot prove either or are unwilling to provide even a single shred of any evidence for any of your 'covert' activities.

Then your not military at all, you are a civilian security guard, then a security enforcement officer... no wait, then your involved with the military... but wait, your still a civvie thats protected by the Defence Intelligence world.

Yet you cannot provide a shred of evidence you were ever in the Military or any specialist field at all. Not a single scrap of evidence at all - not even a peep at your little red book, not even a cadre course certificate even.

Your history is a tangled mystery, or is it lies? or is it part of the continued involvement within the psyops world? what is it Mr King? fantasy? fiction? Lies? psyops meddling? Please provide us with the answer.

Oh and before you get all panty wadded, libel and slander do not apply to questions being asked, only stated facts.

LOL LOL LOL I'll save the pant pissing to you Egg LOL LOL LOL

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

Thats you red tagged jaqui d !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Fuelling the paranoid fire

THE WATCHER

[Egg]

My little gathering of naughty boys? well, lets see. Special Forces, Civilian Intelligence companies, Police civilian workers, detention Officers... all have one thing in common.

They are not shy with PROOF.

[Egg]

BUT NO, he has continued to badger, annoy and **** people off with his constant digging.

Glad to see its getting to you. Theres alot more to come believe me - I haven't even started - this is just a warm up to have a little look at your very tangled and very murky past - thing is, you seem to have been every where and done everything, but can prove nothing.

Military, Psyops, Security enforcement officer in an UBER elite underground base..... but not a single payslip. not a single cadre certificate. Not a single photograph from your military days.

Litle red book

All former military people have one - you may have lost yours, do you need me to get you the address in Glasgow where you can email to and get a copied data sheet?

[Egg]

Care to correct this little time line Mr King? Please, do feel free to correct it as to where and when you were in the military as you claim to have been.


Biography

A keen active interest in Astronomy from the age of 10, with own telescope gave him the interests in space, other worlds, and possible other life forms elsewhere in the vast universe. Always an interest in anything strange, anything classed as paranormal.

His interest in Ufo's was sparked by a double page spread in the Daily Mirror newspaper in 1965 about the strange goings on in the small Wiltshire town of Warminster. From there he searched for books and mags on the subject and his interest bloomed and became stronger. At age 14 in 1966, he began to be actively involved in Ufo research and investigations. In 1968 he joined the BUFORA research organisation in the UK and by 1974 was an area investigator for them covering the South-East of the UK.

In May of that year he witnessed, along with others, a very close range structured craft which left physical traces, occupants were seen, full reports including photographs were passed to BUFORA, the MoD and CUFOS in USA. The case is listed with CUFOS and found its way in the Ted Bloecher research catalog "Physical trace cases" (1976). The 1970s were hectic years for him, in early 1977 he became a member of the newly formed elite UFOIN, an organisation set up and backed by FSR with Jenny Randles. UFOIN consisted of the best of the UK investigators.

Barry King, along with Andy Collins were to cover the South-East of UK along with other well known researchers Timothy Good and Omar Fowler. 1977 was a flap year in the UK and both King and Collins were kept busy 24/7 with reports, mostly of a high calibre, which found their way into the pages of FSR magazine. These included the Aveley Abduction case, Britain's first fully documented multiple abduction case, a full years investigation was undertaken by these two investigators.


Barry King worked with fellow investigators and close friends, Andy Collins and Graham Phillips on the magazine "Strange Phenomena" based in Wolverhampton during 1979. This magazine was the first publication to fully document the investigation into an abduction case from Somerset in 1973 which involved rape by the ufo occupants, MIBs, and a host of other strange events.
Between 1977 and 1980 the reader will find numerous high quality case reports in FSR penned by King and Collins.
Barry M King can be sourced in over 40 books on the subject of Ufo's published Globally, these include many by Ufologist Jenny Randles, including the very first book covering cases he investigated, 1979 book "Ufo's a British Viewpoint" by Jenny Randles and Peter Warrington.

http://wikibin.org/articles/barry-m.-king.html

Problem I can see is that in this time line as it stands, you had no time at all to have joined the Army as you claim to have been in, and to make it worse, you refuse to provide any proof at all of your service. Can you provide proof Mr King?


If I were in the Military still, and somehow you managed to wander into my sights, I guess I might just be tempted to squeeze the trigger LOL

Is that above quote the truth Mr King? or psyops spin? or a tissue of lies? please do provide me with a better insight so I can make up my mind.

[THEWATCHER]

My little gathering of naughty boys? well, lets see. Special Forces, Civilian Intelligence companies, Police civilian workers, detention Officers... all have one thing in common.

They are not shy with PROOF.

All very good, but are any of them, or were any of them, involved with OPI?, were any involved in deep black programs not acknowledged and with no paper trails? you know, those often hinted at but never really knowing if they existed teams? Of course all would be willing to come forward with their little bits of paper. They are/were in the open arena, the white world you could say. So none would have certain restrictions on them. Getting really fed up with this round and around. Lets out of sheer boredom with you and your nit picking, come up with a scenario, a hypothetical scenario. Lets say that around the early 1970's it was decided to piece together a team of people that could integrate and eventually steer opinion towards required areas. These people would work within many areas including the required research field in question. Lets say, in this scenario, that the objective was to stall any disclosure whilst parties with direct interest fostered agreements with OPI. At all costs they had to keep this out of the media, out of the publics eye, and out of researchers reach and knowledge. Lets say that after a number of events of a certain nature, elements within that group of individuals began to realise this was wrong and decided to do something about it. factions within factions on the outside looking as if working together but in reality, internal war was raging. Lets say, in this hypothetical scenario that in later years as other OPI became involved this internal struggle has broadened and the original individuals are scattered globally. Each side trying to educate the public, to bring to the table data that they wish the public to know. each being different of course. One side trying to educate the public of the deeds of the less scrupulous, whilst the less scrupulous darken the issues and continue the cover up and non disclosure agenda.

Could of course go on but as I said, its hypothetical:original:

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

Egg, I do not answer to you or the likes of you, who the hell do you think you are? You know nothing outside of your rigid little box and I suspect that certain data if released would sail right over your head. You are turning this into a personal fight and going way beyond civil questioning. I think you are going too far my lad

THE WATCHER

[Egg]

So you joined this group as an uber elite secuirty guard soldier psyops operative who on week days investigated UFOs.

Doesn't wash with me. The time line doesn't fit and the proof of military service is non-existant. I hold proof of my witnesses military credentials, as well as little things like P45s.

Yes Mr King, the armed forces do issue payslips.:thumb_yello: They have to by law for tax reasons with inland revenue.

The only way a military person slips off that net is if they retire from the services, go off and do their jobs, and rejoin the military.

They still have proof of their former and current military status.

[Egg]

Egg, I do not answer to you or the likes of you, who the hell do you think you are? You know nothing outside of your rigid little box and I suspect that certain data if released would sail right over your head. You are turning this into a personal fight and going way beyond civil questioning. I think you are going too far my lad

THE WATCHER

My own little box encompasses some pretty remarkable post cards from the edge Mr King - This isn't a personal fight though, far from it.

Think of it as shining a little light into the murky past of Mr King. Thats allowed, as you being a former military and psyops man should know, always question and vet your sources.

Your getting vetted is all.

[Kari Lynn]

*

[iainl140285]

:wink2:BROOK YOUR THREAD IS GREAT AND I HAVE GIVEN YOU MY THOUGHTS AND WHAT MANKINDS GOALS SHOULD BE ............WE SHOULD PUT WOMEN IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING................OK THERE MIGHT BE A FEW GLITCHES AT FIRST !!
BUT THERE WOULD BE NO MORE WARS HORROR OR MAIMING MURDER AND MAYHEM MY DEEPEST RESPECT DAVE :thumb_yello:

Margaret Thatcher??? :lmfao::mfr_lol:

[Egg]

Egg, you know here in the good old US of A, you're innocent until proven guilty.



And the accused produces evidence to back this up.


So what proof do you have that he's lying?


Never said he was lying - I said there was a severe obscuration of any pertinent relevant truths that are solid and concrete that can be backed up by solid reliable evidence.


I see nothing that directly proves his lies, only your own personal opinions and disbeliefs.


Mr King is sat in the middle of a tangled history that only he alone knows what is true and what is not. Where did he have time to do his military training? where did he have time to do all of this fantastical stuff that led him to be hand picked by the NSA no less to be part of this project? just some of the strange questions I would like answers to. I bet other people would too.


As I've said, I've done my research.


Then what military unit was Mr King in and what psyops unit?


If you have contacts in places you say you have. Getting the same information about "Mr. King" that I gathered, should be no problem for you.
Perhaps as you can't get these proofs yourself, you are the one lying?


As Mr King is still alive, he alone is the sole person who can contact glasgow and get his print out from his military records. HOWEVER if he came forward with his name, rank and military number and gave me permission, then I could run it and verify it with one single phone call. However, to do so behind his back as a still living person means I would have to breach data protection laws, as would my people.

Nice try though.


These public documents you claim are public, and demanding, truly are public. Go look it up yourself!


That makes no sense at all. Public documents I claim are public? demanding? his little red book? military records? you mean those? see above.

Mr King has offered zero proof of any employment in any agency, any military unit, in fact, Mr King has offered us nothing at all. Not a single iota of proof.

So to sum it up in short - a self confessed psyops operative with an IQ of 162 and paranormal abilities has written a fantastical claim on the internet and on video, but offers no proof what so ever, refuses to co-operate with people who ask to see even the smallest bit of circumstantial evidence of his past, and then by a miracle new people with further fantastical claims leap in to defend him.

To cap it all, we are further led to believe that when Mr King is unwell, there are further peoples who take over his posts and write up things for him in his name - on this very site no less! I mean, come on, how many 'The Watchers' are there? but at least it proves that others bar Mr King has access to his private PM messages box.

Sure as heck glad I didn't PM him before I read his thread. Oh and here is one thing for Mr King the remote viewer with altered DNA to ponder.

James Randi is offering up a million dollars for proof of paranormal abilities, and remote viewing sure as hell is paranormal in my book - here, Mr King can earn a million dollars by remote viewing for Mr Randi - I suggest he gets rich quick and contacts him.

jref@randi.org
www.randi.org

Million dollars Mr King, and you would be world famous to boot.

[Zeddo]

To The Watcher

Lets see, how do I do this.....with egg on my face for being a retard I guess.

I apologise for attacking you, whether justified (in my own mind) or not, it was not warranted. You have indeed shared a lot and you do have a lot of people who look forward to reading what you have to say.

My attack is actually no better than those of the thought police. It is not my place to do this. You have a message, and you have a forum in which to share it, as do we all.

Here's hoping that we all wake up in unison and realise that we actually are all on the same side.

LL&P (in sincerity, not that it was ever meant to be otherwise)

Z

[Egg]

Indeed Zeddo Mr King has shared alot - Offers not a single drop of evidence wether concrete or circumstantial to back such fantastical claims up mind you, but he has written alot of words.

Pity it took till page 'God knows what' for him to reveal he is a psyops operative.

[Humble Janitor]

I would like to add that this badgering of Barry needs to STOP. It's counter-productive and it turns people off to sharing their stories on a site such as this.

Why can't you just step back, read what he has to say and ponder it? You don't have to agree to it. But, to even think about going after someone, again, that's counter-productive.

We all are capable of taking bits and pieces and figuring it out for ourselves.

So, quit badgering and attacking an old man with a story to tell and sit back and think about what he has said.

Where is the love here? I thought this place was supposed to be full of love and understanding of others, even if we disagree?

[Egg]

Due to legal reasons I am not allowed to publish the document, but I will provide a copy to a moderator of choice of Mr Kings.

The document is a Pdf petition signed by Mr King in 2003. Mr Barry King from XXXX claims to have been a security operative and a MILAB abductee at an underground base in the UK.

Why didn't you write that you were a government psyops operative on the petition? Doesn't it sound as good? or is psyops some thing you wanted to keep out of the UFO arena? funny it gets no mention in any of your online wanderings - your military history does at times but not your self admitted psyops career.

[iainl140285]

I would like to add that this badgering of Barry needs to STOP. It's counter-productive and it turns people off to sharing their stories on a site such as this.

Why can't you just step back, read what he has to say and ponder it? You don't have to agree to it. But, to even think about going after someone, again, that's counter-productive.

We all are capable of taking bits and pieces and figuring it out for ourselves.

So, quit badgering and attacking an old man with a story to tell and sit back and think about what he has said.

Where is the love here? I thought this place was supposed to be full of love and understanding of others, even if we disagree?

Yes I agree.
Regrettably the main badgerer has over exposed himself by using phrases like 'bringing piggy to slaughter' with a reference to using guns on the police.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=12889

Tell me Mr Egg - what happened after your post - My NDE and experience whilst dead with Jesus?

"a UFO researcher who has promised me total anonymity due to the nature of my employment."

What exactly is the nature of your employment that requires such secrecy?

"another full week would mean that my work colleagues would be a man down, and that could often be the difference between a good day, and a nightmare."

Hmmm, interesting ...

Tell me Mr Egg - would 'Jesus' condone your attitude towards others? The petty harassment of 1 man doing no harm to you? Would he condone you stirring up seperation between people? i.e. Police/muslims/posters on this forum?

That is of course providing you spoke to Jesus and it wasnt just a good story to get your foot in the door. Since you obviously have knowledge of psyops Im sure turning a few people against each other would be no problem at all. :mfr_lol:

You played your card too soon

Peace
Regards
Iain

[Jack]

To the Watcher.


The people are well within their right to ask for evidence. They have been duped for centuries by people telling them "they cant handle the truth".


What your doing by offering all this information yet not addressing the point that people need proof is showing them the same courtesy and respect that the religous establishments have shown them all their lives.

Your no better then them if you dont offer proof. I may be a moderator here but that doesnt mean i cant call anyone out on stuff like this. Its your duty to safisfy curious minds. Its the burden you adopted when you made the decision to release this information, and its only right that you treat your audience with the respect with which they have shown you. The truth is extremely easy to prove. You should have no trouble giving something away that will put peoples minds at ease. It should in fact be very easy, unless of course you are a liar.

[Egg]

To Iain - what would Jesus say? he would pat me on the back and tell me to carry on because a job needs doing. That job is delving into Mr King and his murky pitch black tangled web of a past to try to figure out if he is a liar, or a fraud, or maybe a victim of severe mind alteration or as he said, psyops operative.

Times on my side on this one. So is the truth. I have names, credentials, witnesses that would stand up to cross examination by the finest legal minds in the world - witnesses who can prove their military past, their security past, their access to areas most people never go. In short - proof.

Project Avalon would of had a world scoop - and I mean scoop, if it had been able to provide an area where peoples thoughts were not clouded by psychological operations and the huge ramblings of a proof bare thread such as Mr Kings.

[Colin]

Egg:

Please check your email [the one you registered with]

[THEWATCHER]

Very strange, certain people seem to be online here so very regularly, do some of you people sit at your computers morning noon and night?. Use whatever labels you like I really could not care less. Egg, thankyou for naming my home town in public, pity you remain a faceless one hiding behind a username, not mentioning where you are from, like so many, safety in hiding behind such. You talk to Jesus then Egg? Are you involved with any specific religious or cult movements? You keep using the term UBER, a nice German, could be Nazi, term, hope you are not swinging in that direction, white supremists and all that nonsense. Irritating isn't it when needless trivial nit picking takes place. Little birdies tell me you have received cautions before for the way you disrespect and bother others here. One Mod said courtesey and respect, SURE, WHEN I receive some I'll show some. You can prattle on all day like an old woman Egg. You have constantly FAILED to read, comprehend, take note of, assinilate, exactly the reasons why YOU cannot demand any kind of proof of anything related to that side of my past. Those with a brain can check those posts that tell you where this data might lead to and why its not for consumption openly here. ONLY IF it was desired to share that with the BOSSES, ie Bill and Kerry under specific Interview conditions. NO NOT Mods, those whom put this all together. Those that do the actual work. Bill and Kerry, NOT some trouble maker called egg.
This better stop pretty soon as I have been very polite, very civil here thus far but patience runs out eventually


THE WATCHER

[blastawaycas]

IT IS VERY UNDERSTANDABLE HOW A FEW PEOPLE CAN BECOME A LITTLE PEEVED AT SOMEBODY BEING ASKED TO VALIDATE HIM/HERSELF ESPECIALLY SOMEONE SO READ AND LISTENED TOO BY SO MANY FIRSTLY THOSE THAT READ AND BELIEVED MAY FEEL A LITTLE DUPED OR INSULTED BUT ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS (RATHER THAN LOOK AT BEING SUCKED IN OR HAVING YOUR INTELLIGENCE INSULTED ) IS THAT SOMEBODY HAS TAKEN IT UPON THEMSELVES TO PROTECT yes protect THE AVALON FORUM AND ITS MEMBERS FROM BEING TAKEN FOR A RIDE IN HIS/HER OPINION.


AS I SEE IT ............. NOW BEAR IN MIND I AM ON MORPHINE 25MG EVERY HOUR! SO I WILL DO NY BEST.............................................. ..............
I AM A MECHANICAL FITTER BY TRADE A MECH; FITTER REPAIRS MACHINARY PUMPS CENTRIFUGES VALVES PIPEWORK GEARBOXES .... ALLINDUSTRIAL STUFF. BUT DUE TO THE NATURE OF MY JOB I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT STRUCTURE I DONT MEAN BRIDGES AND BUILDINGS I MEAN STEEL AND NON FERROUS METALS........NOW IN THE FORUM I CALL MYSELF AN ENGINEER THE REASON FOR THAT IS, IN THE US A MECH FITTER IS A MECHANIC A MECHANIC IN THE UK IS SOMEONE WHO FIXES CARS IN THE MERCHANT AND ROYAL NAVY I WOULD BE AN ENGINEER BUT AN ENGINEER IN TH UK IS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN TO UNIVERSITY AND HOLD DEGREES AS A STRUCTURAL OR CIVIL OR MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL ENGINEER.

RIGHT STAY WITH ME THERE IS A POINT TO THIS.............wheres me tablets OH YEAH,
AS A MECHANICAL FITTER I CAN TALK THE TALK ie I CAN SPEAK TO AN ENGINEER AND KNOW WHAT HE IS SAYING WHEN HE MENTIONS STEEL STRUCTURE I KNOW WHAT CAUSES STEEL OR ANY OTHER METAL TO FAIL WHY IT IS USED HOW TO NORMALIZE ANNEAL ect ect WHAT IS A BOLT ? HOW DOES IT WORK ? THERE IS MECHANICAL PRINCIPALS AND DYNAMICS INVOLVED IN A SIMLE NUT AND BOLT, THREAD FORMS WHY DO WE HAVE DIFFERENT THREADS ACME FINE COARSE HOW DOES A ONE WAY BEARING WORK DIFFERENT BEARING TAPERED BALL ANGULAR CONTACT NEEDLE ROLLER ROLLER WHY ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES PROS AN CONS

RIGHT IF I HAVE NOT BORED YOU RIGID ALL I AM IS A FITTER I KNOW MY STUFF AND FULLY UNDERSTAND ANYTHING MECHANICAL A BIT OF ELECTRICAL I WELD STICK MIG AND TIG, BUT I AM NOT A WELDER OR ELECTRICIAN, I CAN DECIDE ON BEARING METERIAL TYPES ECT TO DO A SPECIFIC JOB ............... BUT I AM NOT A QUALIFIED ACEDAMIC UNIVERSITY DEGREED ENGINEER SO I COULD TALK ALL DAY ABOUT HOWTO BUILD A SHIP DESIGN A CAR BUILD A BRIDGE COS I HAVE BEEN AROUND IT ALL ME LIFE I COULD SAY I DESIGNED THE HARRIER JUMP JET I HAVE THAT MUCH TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE..............BUT I WOULD BE FABRICATING THE TRUTH AND ASKED TO PROVE MY ACEDEMIC QUALIFICATIONS ALL I COULD OFFER WOULD BE MY ICI INDENTURES AND MY CITY AND GUILDS

I HOPE THAT IS FAIRLY CLEAR .................. THIS IS ALL EGG IS ASKING FOR
SORRY FOR THE LENGTH BUT IT WAS THE ONLY WAY I COULD PUT IT .

RESPECTS AND KIDEST REGARDS DAVE CASTER :thumb_yello:

[THEWATCHER]

IT IS VERY UNDERSTANDABLE HOW A FEW PEOPLE CAN BECOME A LITTLE PEEVED AT SOMEBODY BEING ASKED TO VALIDATE HIM/HERSELF ESPECIALLY SOMEONE SO READ AND LISTENED TOO BY SO MANY FIRSTLY THOSE THAT READ AND BELIEVED MAY FEEL A LITTLE DUPED OR INSULTED BUT ANOTHER WAY TO LOOK AT IT IS (RATHER THAN LOOK AT BEING SUCKED IN OR HAVING YOUR INTELLIGENCE INSULTED ) IS THAT SOMEBODY HAS TAKEN IT UPON THEMSELVES TO PROTECT yes protect THE AVALON FORUM AND ITS MEMBERS FROM BEING TAKEN FOR A RIDE IN HIS/HER OPINION.


AS I SEE IT ............. NOW BEAR IN MIND I AM ON MORPHINE 25MG EVERY HOUR! SO I WILL DO NY BEST.............................................. ..............
I AM A MECHANICAL FITTER BY TRADE A MECH; FITTER REPAIRS MACHINARY PUMPS CENTRIFUGES VALVES PIPEWORK GEARBOXES .... ALLINDUSTRIAL STUFF. BUT DUE TO THE NATURE OF MY JOB I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT STRUCTURE I DONT MEAN BRIDGES AND BUILDINGS I MEAN STEEL AND NON FERROUS METALS........NOW IN THE FORUM I CALL MYSELF AN ENGINEER THE REASON FOR THAT IS, IN THE US A MECH FITTER IS A MECHANIC A MECHANIC IN THE UK IS SOMEONE WHO FIXES CARS IN THE MERCHANT AND ROYAL NAVY I WOULD BE AN ENGINEER BUT AN ENGINEER IN TH UK IS SOMEONE WHO HAS BEEN TO UNIVERSITY AND HOLD DEGREES AS A STRUCTURAL OR CIVIL OR MECHANICAL ELECTRICAL ENGINEER.

RIGHT STAY WITH ME THERE IS A POINT TO THIS.............wheres me tablets OH YEAH,
AS A MECHANICAL FITTER I CAN TALK THE TALK ie I CAN SPEAK TO AN ENGINEER AND KNOW WHAT HE IS SAYING WHEN HE MENTIONS STEEL STRUCTURE I KNOW WHAT CAUSES STEEL OR ANY OTHER METAL TO FAIL WHY IT IS USED HOW TO NORMALIZE ANNEAL ect ect WHAT IS A BOLT ? HOW DOES IT WORK ? THERE IS MECHANICAL PRINCIPALS AND DYNAMICS INVOLVED IN A SIMLE NUT AND BOLT, THREAD FORMS WHY DO WE HAVE DIFFERENT THREADS ACME FINE COARSE HOW DOES A ONE WAY BEARING WORK DIFFERENT BEARING TAPERED BALL ANGULAR CONTACT NEEDLE ROLLER ROLLER WHY ALL THE DIFFERENT TYPES PROS AN CONS

RIGHT IF I HAVE NOT BORED YOU RIGID ALL I AM IS A FITTER I KNOW MY STUFF AND FULLY UNDERSTAND ANYTHING MECHANICAL A BIT OF ELECTRICAL I WELD STICK MIG AND TIG, BUT I AM NOT A WELDER OR ELECTRICIAN, I CAN DECIDE ON BEARING METERIAL TYPES ECT TO DO A SPECIFIC JOB ............... BUT I AM NOT A QUALIFIED ACEDAMIC UNIVERSITY DEGREED ENGINEER SO I COULD TALK ALL DAY ABOUT HOWTO BUILD A SHIP DESIGN A CAR BUILD A BRIDGE COS I HAVE BEEN AROUND IT ALL ME LIFE I COULD SAY I DESIGNED THE HARRIER JUMP JET I HAVE THAT MUCH TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE..............BUT I WOULD BE FABRICATING THE TRUTH AND ASKED TO PROVE MY ACEDEMIC QUALIFICATIONS ALL I COULD OFFER WOULD BE MY ICI INDENTURES AND MY CITY AND GUILDS

I HOPE THAT IS FAIRLY CLEAR .................. THIS IS ALL EGG IS ASKING FOR
SORRY FOR THE LENGTH BUT IT WAS THE ONLY WAY I COULD PUT IT .

RESPECTS AND KIDEST REGARDS DAVE CASTER :thumb_yello:

Another individual whom cannot digest what i have stated re that damn proof Egg wishes for his little collection in order for me to join his naughty little boys club. I WILL USE UPPER CASE HERE TOO TO MAKE A POINT. I HAVE STATED MORE THAN ONCE THAT I WILL GLADLY DEAL DIRECTLY WITH BILL AND KERRY ON THIS TOPIC AS IT LEADS INTO OTHER AREAS THAT ARE NOT DUE FOR DISCLOSURE HERE AT THIS TIME.
FFS, IF I have to repeat that again!!!! READ IT DIGEST IT ASSIMILATE IT ITS PLAIN BLOODY ENGLISH.

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

MODS, ADMIN, if you do not take some kind of control here you are not worthy of your jobs!! This bloody fixation with one tiny aspect here is ruining this thread, keeping others away, turning whom I thought were valid experiencers into joining Eggs little tirade, but now see them as perhaps fantasy prone individuals whom jump on latest bandwagon as its fashionable. People better get a grip here as I'm rapidly losing patience.

THE WATCHER

[Tarliam]

Hi i am pretty new here on the forums and i have spent the time to read this thread from post #1 many people have sensitive information that they would provide in the correct setting, and anyone who has studies these areas will want to see something in way of evidence of claims being made it the vicious circle of this realm of study, perhaps the best way is Mr.king has offered to release something to Bill and Kerri so maybe that could be arranged and some part of that disseminated down to the researchers who would like to know privately. if that could be arranged it seems it should be acceptable to all.

[THEWATCHER]

Hi i am pretty new here on the forums and i have spent the time to read this thread from post #1 many people have sensitive information that they would provide in the correct setting, and anyone who has studies these areas will want to see something in way of evidence of claims being made it the vicious circle of this realm of study, perhaps the best way is Mr.king has offered to release something to Bill and Kerri so maybe that could be arranged and some part of that disseminated down to the researchers who would like to know privately. if that could be arranged it seems it should be acceptable to all.

Glory hallelujah, someone with some sense and whom has read the posts!! But i'm afraid eggyweggy wants his own personal proof as he has set himself up as that leader of demand proof seekers. People seem to forget I came in here as Barry King whistleblowing on a particular facility and its remit.

THE WATCHER

[Egg]

People seem to forget I came in here as Barry King whistleblowing on a particular facility and its remit.

THE WATCHER

Yeah couldn't started your thread as 'Barry King the psyops operative' could you?

[Kerry Cassidy]

Hi Barry and all,

Thank you for all the wonderful information you have posted. Your dedication is admirable.

Others who want "proof"... In this world of shifting mirrors such proof will remain illusory. What you need, is to listen within you--to the center that with time and use will develop to determine truth from falsity. There is a resonance that truth will have... It has a 'sound' in other words or call it a feeling or sense... all humans have the potential to develop this...

The other type proof you are seeking is easy to fabricate... and if you spend anytime around intelligence agencies or their reps you will soon see they work within layers of an onion.

Please move on and know the watchers are watching and we at Camelot welcome more revelations.

Feel free to contact me off-record Barry.

Best wishes,

Kerry

Another individual whom cannot digest what i have stated re that damn proof Egg wishes for his little collection in order for me to join his naughty little boys club. I WILL USE UPPER CASE HERE TOO TO MAKE A POINT. I HAVE STATED MORE THAN ONCE THAT I WILL GLADLY DEAL DIRECTLY WITH BILL AND KERRY ON THIS TOPIC AS IT LEADS INTO OTHER AREAS THAT ARE NOT DUE FOR DISCLOSURE HERE AT THIS TIME.
FFS, IF I have to repeat that again!!!! READ IT DIGEST IT ASSIMILATE IT ITS PLAIN BLOODY ENGLISH.

THE WATCHER

[Steve_A]

Hi THEWATCHER,

Not wanting to join in the affray as I've been asked not to prod the sleeping lion, but, you just answered why there is aparently justifiable questioning by somebody who is obviously interested in the materia for a little evidence of what you claim.

We must all understand that when you arrived here you yourself informed the public that you WERE a security guard at a secret underground base at a place called Peasemore. You worked there for two short stints but you were privvy to witness the creation of Greys.

Then you went on to involve information that many on the internet have already published about the NSA and what is supposed to be happening over in the US.

Now you are a psyop professional.

These are the basic facts. I'm not trying to put any slant on this post.

This has spanned out almost as long as the forum has been in existence.

So here goes. It could very well be that Egg wants the proof to verify your claims because it could be that he has important information that he can only share with someone 'in the know'. He could want to share information, even confirm information without him giving away too much to the layman,or place himselfin any compromising position.

I really do thnk that you could send this info in private, if you choose, to first of all get an ally in what is often considered a polemical subject and discover if there is any sensative information out there that can't be given to anybody, not even Bill nor Kerry.

Just a thought. If nobody finds the idea interesting, just ignore the post. No need to reply justifying why you think the idea not very good.

Best regards,

Steve



Glory hallelujah, someone with some sense and whom has read the posts!! But i'm afraid eggyweggy wants his own personal proof as he has set himself up as that leader of demand proof seekers. People seem to forget I came in here as Barry King whistleblowing on a particular facility and its remit.

THE WATCHER

[blastawaycas]

STEVE A THAT BRILL THOSE LAST 2 PARAGRAPHS THATS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO SAY IN ME "FOG INDUCED BELLANDONIC MORPHINE AND TRAMADOL PAINKILLING ECSTACY", DID'NT IT COME OUT LIKE THAT !!!!
WELL DONE STEVE WELL SAID SIR AND TO YOU EGG FOR YOUR UNSTINTING RELENTLESS DIGGING AND KINALLY TO MR KING FOR HANGING IN THERE !!

GONNA HAVE A FEW MORE PILLS !!! :thumb_yello: :thumb_yello::thumb_yello:

DAVE CASTER KINDEST REGARDS

[777 The Great Work]

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Proof and facts are not truth.

[777 The Great Work]

Man is awakening his forgotten power of discernment and intuition. This means that facts and proof are based on the ego perception. We are learning to feel whats of the higher vibration ,and becomming one with that which is unseen without proof or facts. We must develop a knowing and feel with our hearts.

Bow to truth regardless of the bearer. We serve light, instead of wrangling over the one who brings it. In this way we prove that we are seeking to know better the will and the dictates of that which is unnameable.

Facts could be that there is a monkey calling himself barry King :lol3: with his own PC.:lol3: If i feel truth from the monkey ,what does it matter. The facts are that i have the deed to my house.The truth, is i can't take it with me.:lol3:
:tongue2:

Through the shadow shines ever the Perfect Light.

Proof and facts are not truth. Egg, you had a visitation with Jesus,so proove it.:tongue2::lol3::lmfao:
:lmfao:

[Kari Lynn]

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[Tarliam]

i have to agree with Kerri , knowing what these groups can do to people who inform people of the truth there are times when there is no proof left people in fact have been completely mind wiped given a different history then what actually happened and left somewhere to try to figure it out. they are the lucky ones alot of awful things have been done by the PTB, imagine waking up somewhere and you are no longer you, and having no way to prove your not the persona you have been given. how this ties into people asking for evedence is it is one of the things that can happen and its why many choose to be silent or at most covert in what they say.

[THEWATCHER]

Hi Barry and all,

Thank you for all the wonderful information you have posted. Your dedication is admirable.

Others who want "proof"... In this world of shifting mirrors such proof will remain illusory. What you need, is to listen within you--to the center that with time and use will develop to determine truth from falsity. There is a resonance that truth will have... It has a 'sound' in other words or call it a feeling or sense... all humans have the potential to develop this...

The other type proof you are seeking is easy to fabricate... and if you spend anytime around intelligence agencies or their reps you will soon see they work within layers of an onion.

Please move on and know the watchers are watching and we at Camelot welcome more revelations.

Feel free to contact me off-record Barry.

Best wishes,

Kerry

thankyou Kerry, I will contact you and Bill directly. But if motormouth Egg continues you unfortunately lose another whistleblower. regards:original:

THE WATCHER

[Carol]

Awhile back, when another member was personally threatened where someone showed up at his home pounding on his front door at 6 am in the morning, shortly following an altercation with Barry on the forum, I was asked to check out Barry by several others, including the member who felt threatened enough to change his physical location within the week of this particular incident. The member also reported that two of his friends had mysteriously died after receiving the "warning" and that he was taking this incident seriously. I asked Henry Deacon about Barry. Henry Decon reported that although some of the information Barry provided could be substantiated (meaning it can be found on the Internet) that in his opinion Barry is a fake.

[THEWATCHER]

Hi THEWATCHER,

Not wanting to join in the affray as I've been asked not to prod the sleeping lion, but, you just answered why there is aparently justifiable questioning by somebody who is obviously interested in the materia for a little evidence of what you claim.

We must all understand that when you arrived here you yourself informed the public that you WERE a security guard at a secret underground base at a place called Peasemore. You worked there for two short stints but you were privvy to witness the creation of Greys.

Then you went on to involve information that many on the internet have already published about the NSA and what is supposed to be happening over in the US.

Now you are a psyop professional.

These are the basic facts. I'm not trying to put any slant on this post.

This has spanned out almost as long as the forum has been in existence.

So here goes. It could very well be that Egg wants the proof to verify your claims because it could be that he has important information that he can only share with someone 'in the know'. He could want to share information, even confirm information without him giving away too much to the layman,or place himselfin any compromising position.

I really do thnk that you could send this info in private, if you choose, to first of all get an ally in what is often considered a polemical subject and discover if there is any sensative information out there that can't be given to anybody, not even Bill nor Kerry.

Just a thought. If nobody finds the idea interesting, just ignore the post. No need to reply justifying why you think the idea not very good.

Best regards,

Steve

Steve, with all due respects I DO NOT think Egg is the type to share anything, let alone anything of importance other than his tunnel vision. You will note there is a timeline to be followed, you were all told of this many times, what could be disclosed immediately, what would be disclosed later. Following a strict timeline which was interrupted here, certain areas of data were not due for posting yet, I'm sure most accepted that, some ignorant ones obviously could not work it out. Much has indeed happened in my life which I have tried to detail in the timeline, not allowing the impatient ones to try and rush forwards beyond what i was comfortable in posting. Others have alignments with agencies and god knows what and thats something they alone can declare or not. I'm making no big deal about this remember, that has been the sole domain of Egg and his followers. Something that could have been approached within the correct part of the timeline has been blown out of all proportion and stagnates this thread, grinding it to a complete stop. Or was that the wish and agenda of Egg?

THE WATCHER

[Kari Lynn]

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[Tarliam]

Awhile back, when another member was personally threatened where someone showed up at his home pounding on his front door at 6 am in the morning, shortly following an altercation with Barry on the forum, I was asked to check out Barry by several others, including the member who felt threatened enough to change his physical location within the week of this particular incident. The member also reported that two of his friends had mysteriously died after receiving the "warning" and that he was taking this incident seriously. I asked Henry Deacon about Barry. Henry Decon reported that although some of the information Barry provided could be substantiated (meaning it can be found on the Internet) that in his opinion Barry is a fake.

first I am not for or against Mr.King and being new to forums id like to pose a question wouldn't the fact that someone threatened a member of this forum after talking to Mr. king lend some weight that he has some ability to contact O.G.A to get that done if in fact it wasn't just happen stance again for the record i am not pro- or con Mr.king just am trying to dig through the coal to find the diamond in all this information

[THEWATCHER]

Awhile back, when another member was personally threatened where someone showed up at his home pounding on his front door at 6 am in the morning, shortly following an altercation with Barry on the forum, I was asked to check out Barry by several others, including the member who felt threatened enough to change his physical location within the week of this particular incident. The member also reported that two of his friends had mysteriously died after receiving the "warning" and that he was taking this incident seriously. I asked Henry Deacon about Barry. Henry Decon reported that although some of the information Barry provided could be substantiated (meaning it can be found on the Internet) that in his opinion Barry is a fake.

I could just as easily say Henry Deacon is a fake, prove beyond a shadow of a doubt what he claims. Also, since when was Henry declared the total all knowing wise sage? Get a grip Lady, you are grasping at straws. And If you persist in hinting that paranoid individuals here were threatened or worse since talking with me, you could find yourself in serious LEGAL trouble my dear. I have a temper, like you ALL do, if pushed I push back, I do not ever turn the other cheek. If standing up for oneself is seen as anti social then the World is turning into the biggest crock of **** ever!. Your little game of hinting at bad guys will not work here I'm afraid. The poor little self important souls whom thought any agency would waste their valuable time on and threaten them are oh so paranoid and puffed up with self importance. Please, I'm being nice, watch your words and your not so subtle hints here, tryting to sway the more gullible ones to your ways. LOL Henry Deacon!!, get a life please.

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

first I am not for or against Mr.King and being new to forums id like to pose a question wouldn't the fact that someone threatened a member of this forum after talking to Mr. king lend some weight that he has some ability to contact O.G.A to get that done if in fact it wasn't just happen stance again for the record i am not pro- or con Mr.king just am trying to dig through the coal to find the diamond in all this information

HOLD ON THERE!! see that proves my point in my last post, see, now we have others conveniently thinking along the lines that our good ol mod posted!! I do not believe it. Its as bad as someone going to another source and asking their opinion of a certain person. Whom set themselves up as the God with all knowledge of others? This is becoming a farce. I declare Henry Deacon a fake, and one or two others to boot LOL LOL LOL

THE WATCHER

[Tarliam]

HOLD ON THERE!! see that proves my point in my last post, see, now we have others conveniently thinking along the lines that our good ol mod posted!! I do not believe it. Its as bad as someone going to another source and asking their opinion of a certain person. Whom set themselves up as the God with all knowledge of others? This is becoming a farce. I declare Henry Deacon a fake, and one or two others to boot LOL LOL LOL

THE WATCHER

Mr. king and forum: what i don't know = are the facts being presented entirely fact or what is given to be truth in a compartmentalized arena. i also don't know if you are indeed BMK or and agent of the same honestly i don't care from what Ive read throughout this thread is you have attempted to follow a prescribed setting of information release, consistent with a know agenda.

What i know= that there are good guys and bad guys: this i know more then most, and i have not yet decided which side you fall on and the same for others. i do know any group intrested in holding back the truth would have people all over sites like this, call me paranoid call me delusional its fine with me i've seen the results of what these groups do. Tag

[THEWATCHER]

Mr. king and forum: what i don't know = are the facts being presented entirely fact or what is given to be truth in a compartmentalized arena. i also don't know if you are indeed BMK or and agent of the same honestly i don't care from what Ive read throughout this thread is you have attempted to follow a prescribed setting of information release, consistent with a know agenda.

What i know= that there are good guys and bad guys: this i know more then most, and i have not yet decided which side you fall on and the same for others. i do know any group intrested in holding back the truth would have people all over sites like this, call me paranoid call me delusional its fine with me i've seen the results of what these groups do. Tag

Take it from me, there is no one here at these forums important enough to take out, too many paranoid, delusional and fantasy prone individuals. They stick out like sore thumbs. NO ONE is holding such delicate and damned important info that any agency would waste a second on watching, let alone removing.

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

LOL I'm almost wetting myself with laughter here, Mod Carol goes running to Henry Deacon......."Henry sir, could you please spare a few moments and with your worldly wisdom as you sit on the throne of all worldly knowledge, the supreme knowledge, check out this upstart Barry King..." LOL LOL LOL OMG what next?:lol3::lol3::lol3:

[THEWATCHER]

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[Tarliam]

Oh, and FOR THE RECORD.........I have security cameras front and rear, the phone automatically records all calls and logs them..... a practise put in place since 1994.............

THE WATCHER

im somwhat confused what your last post had to do with the subject at hand.
sorry perhaps i missed somthing

[blastawaycas]

ITS NOW A P***ING COMPETION

SEE BARRY YOU WERE ONLY ASKED TO GIVE A LITTLE CREDENCE

YOU TOLD EGG TO GO DO ONE FOLLOWED BY ...........I'M OUTTA HERE

BUT YOU YOU ARE STILL THERE

IS THAT DUE TO EGO!!!

FOLLOWERS..........................MMMMMMMMMMMMMM !!

WELL IF I EVER FOUND MYSELF IN A HOSTAGE SITUATION LIKE THE LYBIAN EMBASSY SIEGE LONDON (stay with me theres a point) AND A SAS TEAM MEMBER WAS SCREAMING AT ME TO GET THE F**K DOWN bang bang bang GET UP GET UP FOLLOW ME HANDS IN THE AIR ......YOU BET YOUR BOLLOCKS I WOULD DO AS HE SAID.

NOW I HAVE READ EGGS POSTS AND HE REALLY DOES KNOW WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT........ BUT IN A NO HOLDS BARRED NO SH*T KINDA WAY, LIKE OUR SAS TROOPER BACK THERE YOU'D KINDA LISTEN, DON'T KNOW WEATHER YOU GET MY DRIFT.

NOW AS FOR LEGAL ACTION AGAINST CAROL ........... MMMMMMMMMMMM ONCE AGAIN FOR WHAT? MAKING A STATEMENT AND WHAT KIND OF LEGAL ACTION CRIMINAL? ERR NO SO.... THAT WOULD BE CIVIL.......BUT THERE IS NO CONTRACT BETWEEN YOU 2 (we have the original neighbours from hell living next door..... i have been assauled, spat at, my son beaten up, on and on and on............. cctv.... cant use it in court.... especially nite time...... audio recordings inadmissable.... AWAAAAY BARRY..... LEGAL ACTION.... YOU GERRA GRIP .......... THE MORE THIS ROLLS ON BARRY THE MORE I AM CONVINCED THAT YOU MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO HIDE ......AND I DONT MEAN SOME INFORMATION THAT COULD ROCK THE WORLD...............AT THE END OF THE DAY BARRY I WOULD (SERIOUS NOW).... DEFEND TO THE DEATH ANYBODY WHO TOLD ME THE ANSWERS .THE ANSWERS WE ARE ALL SEARCHING FOR.........ALIENS, UFO's, CORRUPTION ,WHEN THE FIRST NUKE IS GONNA BE FIRED OFF AND AT WHO,
AND ALL THE OTHER CONSPIRACIES ET AL .........EVEN THO; SOME ARE HARD TO DIGEST .............. THE ONLY WAY I CAN DESCRIBE THIS TO YOU IN MY MECHANICAL TERMS ARE...........THE TWO STROKE ENGINE (like on a motorbike or chainsaw jetski skidaw) IN THEORY DOES NOT WORK....BUT IT DOES..VERY EFFICIENTLY

BARRY YOU REALLY ARE GETTING BENT OUTTA SHAPE ....... AND YOU COULD STILL POSSIBLY HAVE SO MUCH TO OFFER......... AND WHO KNOWS YOU, EGG,........... YOU COULD BLOW THE DOORS OFF EVERYTHING...... FREE US ALL AND POSSIBLY SAVE US ALL AT THE SAME TIME

WE ARE ALL MORE THAN THAT............. KINDEST REGARDS AN RESPECT DAVE CASTER

[Tarliam]

Take it from me, there is no one here at these forums important enough to take out, too many paranoid, delusional and fantasy prone individuals. They stick out like sore thumbs. NO ONE is holding such delicate and damned important info that any agency would waste a second on watching, let alone removing.

THE WATCHER

I kinda disagree if one percent of people hear know somthing O.G.A. would be here watching maybe even watching the watcher

[THEWATCHER]

Thankyou Dave but you unfortunately have not been on the receiving end of muck flinging and demands bordering on fanaticism. Doubt what you like, too much is on offer but I cannot be bothered, keep your ego nonsense to yourself as well. Only one ego tripper here, thats egg. What in hell is Egg supposed to know? Whats his disclosure all about? Have you any idea or just simply following him?. There MIGHT be experiencers here with some valuable data but they are pushed out of the way by egocentric nutbars wishing to get their posts seen. I have been very civil, very courteous and friendly in my association here but have received of late nothing but annoyance, disrespect, discourtesey, civility has been lacking too. Been accused of having something to do with the ramblings of nutbars yelling and screaming someone was out to get them. Been called a fake by someone I'm afraid holds way too high opinion of himself, and he too could just as easily be a fake, a phony. Obviously disclosure of a higher level is not for you here at Avalon just yet. To all the genuine friends I've made since I arrived here, keep well, keep pursuing your truths, to all the nutbars and troublemakers, ****stirrers and followers I can say get a life and go to hell. Something must have worked right for almost 50,000 hits!! Some of you deserve ignorance as you are ignorant. Even though when I leave I will not be able to respond to anyones posts, and there is bound to be many petty little guttersnipe posting after this. BUT I will still see, watch, what goes on here. If not me personally then LOL another watcher. Goodnight and goodbye.

THE WATCHER

[Kerry Cassidy]

Thankyou Dave but you unfortunately have not been on the receiving end of muck flinging and demands bordering on fanaticism. Doubt what you like, too much is on offer but I cannot be bothered, keep your ego nonsense to yourself as well. Only one ego tripper here, thats egg. What in hell is Egg supposed to know? Whats his disclosure all about? Have you any idea or just simply following him?. There MIGHT be experiencers here with some valuable data but they are pushed out of the way by egocentric nutbars wishing to get their posts seen. I have been very civil, very courteous and friendly in my association here but have received of late nothing but annoyance, disrespect, discourtesey, civility has been lacking too. Been accused of having something to do with the ramblings of nutbars yelling and screaming someone was out to get them. Been called a fake by someone I'm afraid holds way too high opinion of himself, and he too could just as easily be a fake, a phony. Obviously disclosure of a higher level is not for you here at Avalon just yet. To all the genuine friends I've made since I arrived here, keep well, keep pursuing your truths, to all the nutbars and troublemakers, ****stirrers and followers I can say get a life and go to hell. Something must have worked right for almost 50,000 hits!! Some of you deserve ignorance as you are ignorant. Even though when I leave I will not be able to respond to anyones posts, and there is bound to be many petty little guttersnipe posting after this. BUT I will still see, watch, what goes on here. If not me personally then LOL another watcher. Goodnight and goodbye.

THE WATCHER

POSTING TO THE MODS FYI...

Hi again,

Hi all,

I posted to Watcher's thread today in answer to some of the questions being
made regarding proof. There is no way to substantiate or prove anything
that Barry has to say (or anyone else posting for him or using his ID).
This is also true of Henry Deacon by the way.

He or whoever is using his ID is posting interesting info and should be
allowed to continue to do so.

If he is unhappy with the skeptics I suggest we move him to his own area
where he or one mod he can agree to work with, can delete any postings they
don't like.

Other than that and short of asking him or others to leave I see no
recourse. And I would prefer to continue to let him reveal what he has to
reveal. This does not mean I agree with him but simply that his material is
interesting and well worth reading.

Best wishes,

Kerry

[blastawaycas]

well Barry if your still reading this good

its still your thread your shout.

i have no idea what or who egg is but i get the feeling that he has had his fingernails chipped a few times ........... and as for following him ....honestly
yeah kinda ........because i like what he has to say ........he bollocked me upside down for a post i put about a local beat bobby .......... he was right and i was wrong had no right saying what i did ......i respected that but he did not have to and i could have got into some bother over it (was'nt malicious just a petty remark i made could have been construed as a threat)

write back Barry i don't want my post the last post !!!

why not PM Egg work it thru i am sure you gentlemen can do that
I can't stop a nuke or a Foriegn soldier putting a round thru me alien abduction or takeover A copper putting a baton over me bonce i have no resistance to EMP or CME asteroids and meteors will not bounce off me and i melt and drown like everybody else.

But forewarned by whistleblowers adding 2 and 2 connecting the spots listening to what this forum brings ...... will allow me to get my family to safety.....i'm knackered but at least i can give them a head start, Egg put me right once he also showed me a fantastic bit of kit (surviival aid a water filtration purifier) ............ that good i bought one bugger the gas bill this month ........ thats solved the water problem, i am stocking food been doing it for a month now as we head towards August September time, hope i don't need to

this forum brings change and with this change brings wisdom, dare i say it (coz i am a typical northern bloke) love and harmony. this forum brings together like minded people but we all bring different experiences to the table and we are all different in our approach but we are all kicking at the same goalmouth............its just that a few hit the posts a few wide and some into the street behind the stands!!!! thats life.

god me eyes are streaming with these lower case!!!

anyhow i need a couple a painkillers me backs killing me

don't let me down i wanna get my family away from ground zero if i can even if it is breathing for another 24 hours. information is not the same as disinformation and disinformation is sometimes better than noinformation

come on people kick yer footballs not each others !!!!!!!!!!!!

love and respect dave :thumb_yello: :thumb_yello:

[Lorien]

Like Kerry said, unfortunately there is never any true "proof" that someone is who they say they are, or that they worked where they say they worked, etc. As with the majority of information we receive in this type of situation and in regard to these types of areas of information, we have to take it all with a grain of salt.

Any "proof" that is given whether it be a copy of a paystub, or even something more concrete like them standing next to a top secret craft can easily be forged with a little time and effort in photoshop. So just because they have said "proof" does not in fact prove anything.

I for one would also like to continue to have this information available and ask the Watcher to please stay and continue your work here.

Thank you.

[Egg]

If you say you have been in the military, and cannot provide any proof, then you have never been in the military - its as simple as that.

You never forget your military ID no. be it a Navy / RM or Army or what ever service. It can be erased but if they erase it a funny thing happens at military records - there is a gap because they cannot create another in its place. Its an anchorism of the system. Instead they'll delete your file and say some thing like 'Failed to complete basic training'.

Dave, you got given prompt legal advice to stop a Policeman from being able to come round to your home and arrest you. :thumb_yello:


Mr King - I haven't stopped digging, nor will I. As for your story? well each to his own to believe it or not, but I for one believe you are full of ****. Cannot prove it (yet), but believe me, I am working on it.

[Humble Janitor]

I fail to see what your little mission will accomplish, except to feed your ego, Egg.

I have dealt with the negative side of you on here and I just want to point out that we need to keep an open mind and also scrutinize what we read. Wouldn't it make more sense for you to discuss your issues with Barry in a private message, rather than wrecking his thread every chance you get?

What are you striving for? To be right? What is that going to prove? Are you trying to please a master or something?

I ask that you hold your venom if you choose to respond.

[Egg]

Of course Humble - I appreciated your honesty in our last conversation and you get the respect due to you as you show others.


So let me explain what I am going to do and more importantly, why.

Avalon is at the cutting edge of the cusp of awakening - more people here are in tune with world than any other web based site I have come across so far in my net travels. Thats an awesome thing, some thing for all to be proud of.

Now, Mr King. AKA one of the 'watchers' (because its already proven there is more than one). Presents me with a perfect storm. Here is man who asks us to believe the incredible (and believe me, its nothing compared to what some here have shared with me) and that is not where my problem with it all lays.

The incredible is easy to believe, in fact, regarding military abductions and aliens I actually think there is some truth to the matter of Mr Kings testimony. However, when I read through the tangled web Mr King has written, it soon became very apparent that all was not well in his story.

It started OK - I am very familiar with deniable operations AKA black bag work, I am very familiar with a budget that buys $500 hammers and spends $400 of that on ammunition that arrive in hammer boxes. With me so far?

I believe multiple witnesses that their are underground bases cut with huge tunnelling machines - some people I have spoken to have seen such places with their own eyes. Reliable, military, trained professional witnesses.

What it comes down to is the evasivness of the witness. Thats where Mr King has turned me from a possible allie to a person filled with disgust. Mr King starts as a security guard, then a military member, then a psyops operative.

Had his amazing testimony stayed as truthful as it possibly could of been, I actually would believe Mr King has seen this incredible place, albeit not where he thinks it is - and even seen the things he says he has seen.

BUT

Here is a UFO researcher who spends years as a government psyops agent coming into Avalon spilling the most amazing testimony to you all, as he has done for 14 or more years. Question is, why would they do that?

The only conclusion I can gather is that some where, some one is terrified that when the real witnesses wake up and start talking, there will be no precedent and they will be believed.

Now, with Mr King firmly entrenched in the world wide web, the witnesses in the Uk to real events and real craft will be measured against Mr Kings yard stick.

Mr King is a self confessed psyops agent, working for the government of the Uk. I cannot forgive that, as had he stated from the beggining that he was a psyops operative, do you think people would of been so free in their belief in Mr King? do you think that real abductees would of approached Mr King so readily for help?

No, I don't think they would of either. Thats why i intend to start with this massive tangle of truths/half truths and what I believe to be lies, and slowly slowy catchee monkey as my Grandma used to say - and believe me, I am the most patient and relentless hunter of information you could ever come across.

I will get the answers I require.:thumb_yello:

[blastawaycas]

nice one Egg ...............i can't wait this is only going to get better
Whooooohooooo !!!!

i'm not being flippant by the by because as Egg says we are all looking for the TRUTH if somebody is shown to be telling stories then that needs pointing out...............personally i would like to thank Egg for putting the good people of this forum before his own needs

i don't think ego has anything to do with it

how can it be Egg is just a series of posts don't know nowt about him/her where Egg lives
weather he dunks his biscuits
if he/she watches top gear............he could be the stig !!

don't think ego enters into the fray
but in my humble opinion blunt no bulls*it honesty does

kindest regards dave caster :thumb_yello: :thumb_yello:

[iainl140285]

Of course Humble - I appreciated your honesty in our last conversation and you get the respect due to you as you show others.


So let me explain what I am going to do and more importantly, why.

Avalon is at the cutting edge of the cusp of awakening - more people here are in tune with world than any other web based site I have come across so far in my net travels. Thats an awesome thing, some thing for all to be proud of.

Now, Mr King. AKA one of the 'watchers' (because its already proven there is more than one). Presents me with a perfect storm. Here is man who asks us to believe the incredible (and believe me, its nothing compared to what some here have shared with me) and that is not where my problem with it all lays.

The incredible is easy to believe, in fact, regarding military abductions and aliens I actually think there is some truth to the matter of Mr Kings testimony. However, when I read through the tangled web Mr King has written, it soon became very apparent that all was not well in his story.

It started OK - I am very familiar with deniable operations AKA black bag work, I am very familiar with a budget that buys $500 hammers and spends $400 of that on ammunition that arrive in hammer boxes. With me so far?

I believe multiple witnesses that their are underground bases cut with huge tunnelling machines - some people I have spoken to have seen such places with their own eyes. Reliable, military, trained professional witnesses.

What it comes down to is the evasivness of the witness. Thats where Mr King has turned me from a possible allie to a person filled with disgust. Mr King starts as a security guard, then a military member, then a psyops operative.

Had his amazing testimony stayed as truthful as it possibly could of been, I actually would believe Mr King has seen this incredible place, albeit not where he thinks it is - and even seen the things he says he has seen.

BUT

Here is a UFO researcher who spends years as a government psyops agent coming into Avalon spilling the most amazing testimony to you all, as he has done for 14 or more years. Question is, why would they do that?

The only conclusion I can gather is that some where, some one is terrified that when the real witnesses wake up and start talking, there will be no precedent and they will be believed.

Now, with Mr King firmly entrenched in the world wide web, the witnesses in the Uk to real events and real craft will be measured against Mr Kings yard stick.

Mr King is a self confessed psyops agent, working for the government of the Uk. I cannot forgive that, as had he stated from the beggining that he was a psyops operative, do you think people would of been so free in their belief in Mr King? do you think that real abductees would of approached Mr King so readily for help?

No, I don't think they would of either. Thats why i intend to start with this massive tangle of truths/half truths and what I believe to be lies, and slowly slowy catchee monkey as my Grandma used to say - and believe me, I am the most patient and relentless hunter of information you could ever come across.

I will get the answers I require.:thumb_yello:

Intereseting Egg.
So what did destroying this thread do to aid the development of the people on this forum that you 'care' so much about.

I have my own theory why you care so much about this thread - and it is quite apparent to those with their eyes open.

However, congradulations - you managed what several others didnt a few months ago.

All thats left of your mission will be now to dig the threads grave and concrete over.

You dont need eyes to watch :lmfao:


Peace out
Iain

[Egg]

Intereseting Egg.
So what did destroying this thread do to aid the development of the people on this forum that you 'care' so much about.



If I untangle the mess Mr King et al have thrown across the web, prove my suspicions, then I can bring out real people, with real identities, with real experiences who are able to verify that their employment within the Armed Forces and other services is genuine and not a fabrication - then, and only then can people trust the information and verify for themselves if people are genuine or not.


All thats left of your mission will be now to dig the threads grave and concrete over.


Oh I haven't stopped yet, far, far from it and I have some very amusing findings already

[Kari Lynn]

Egg's goal was obviously to stop and prevent a whistle blower from presenting information that could still be considered confidential, to some opposing agencies.
Two of which he has named here, CIA and NSA.
This is what they do. Discredit, and disinform and destroy. Mission accomplished Egg.

[Egg]

Egg's goal was obviously to stop and prevent a whistle blower from presenting information that could still be considered confidential, to some opposing agencies.
Two of which he has named here, CIA and NSA.
This is what they do. Discredit, and disinform and destroy. Mission accomplished Egg.

A whistle blower. A whistle blower who couldn't decide wether he was uber secret security, military or a PSYOPS AGENT.

MR KING admitted in his own confession he was a PSYOPS agent. Admitted it himself in his own words. I am just beavering away ripping the rest of mr Kings story to shreds.

However thats not hard judging by the poor memory he has and the number of slips he has made in his own material.

I will post it all in my own time, but just on his own words alone, Mr King shows that he has zero credibility what so ever. It took how long for him to admit that this was the writings of a PSYOPS AGENT?

[Orion11]

lol @ egg.

ya poor, daft sod.

everyone knows you're not going to bring anything of any substance to the table. You have nothing... but ego.... sad, little, ego filled egg. :lol3:

quite amusing, really.

please, carry on with your inflation of ego and absolute nothingness. :lol3:

you should look for a life while your looking for info on everyone elses. :mfr_lol:

poor little egg.

[Orion11]

I am just beavering away ripping the rest of mr Kings story to shreds.

lmaooo....

the saddest thing is.. you prolly really believe that!!!!!!!

hahahahaha, wow man, fkn weak!!!!

[blastawaycas]

Orion11 why ? what was the point in that ?
don't understand why you would be immature ?

poor little eggy weggy....... thats just so not funny

Don't personally know Egg
he/she is just a series of posts
but Egg's a fellow brother/sister

you know if you were to meet up one nite

HE'D KICK YOUR ASS
dizzy bollox

with all due respect

Orion why don't you give us your take on Mr King
and why you think what you do please

kindest regards Dave Caster :thumb_yello:

[Egg]

Careful egg, this pdf was created and disseminated by another member from another forum, careful

BTW, is that you in the piccie Eggy? And your tiresome remarks as if you were the specially chosen egg to come forth and bring truths out of the murky darkness. ROFL. You need get out of your eggbox more.

[THEWATCHER]

As I feel Egg has done his job, intended job, his personal crusading agenda, to wreck this thread. I have no intention of restarting any kind of disclosure here since Egg took it upon himself to career blindly along with the sole intention of posting his goals and swaying others to his warped and fanatic muck raking. You sail very close to the wind with your posts egg and come very close to pushing decency levels out of the window. I have requested Kerry to kindly lock this thread to stop your incessant rants bordering on obsession. I wish not to be made to stick around and moderate your garbage Egg. I'd prefer this locked or even deleted if necessary. To stop your little game. I cannot delete my own membership and even requested this of Kerry. Simply had enough of the perverse pleasure some idiot has here in taking over this thread with his EGO. I await a response from Kerry re this issue. Whilst I wait I will delete your posts Egg just to peeve you off as you do me, as most of the time you are doing nothing but coming here and posting after your wee little travels around the web.

THE WATCHER

[Colin]

Thread locked [at THEWATCHERS request] for 24 hours.

[THEWATCHER]

Announcement from The Watchers to follow shortly, please read carefully

[THEWATCHER]

Part one of three.........
Embedded rules of disclosure for The Watcher.

The Watcher is empowered to disclose without restraint.
The Watcher is empowered to disclose what, where, when, how and why
IF The Watcher so chooses.
The Watcher has the right to deny any disclosure topic/subject if
it encompasses areas deemed premature for disclosure at this time.
The Watcher has the right to deny on a need to know basis if it is
deemed non safe, or too restrictive in nature for release, on personal
safety and the safety of others, or if it is deemed to be not of a
beneficial nature to disclose.

A timeline has been set and this will be adhered to, with flexibility
as per the discretion of The Watcher.

These are the set disclosure protocols, Project Camelot and Project
Avalon can choose to accept or deny these. You have full free choice.

[Myplanet2]

The watcher has the exclusive right to stand on the dock yelling "Da plane boss, da Plane..."

[THEWATCHER]

The watcher has the exclusive right to stand on the dock yelling "Da plane boss, da Plane..."

Perhaps I do not need a boss, can yell for myself, but being English my wording would be different:lol3:

THE WATCHER

[THEWATCHER]

Disclosure comes in different shades, as does truths, these being white, grey and black. We wish to prove nothing here, merely to educate, point the way and steer you in the right direction. It will be upon your own discretion as to where the data presented to you resides, in the white, in the grey or in the black. By our definition black will obviously mean residing in deep hidden by mankind black. Free thinking individuals not blinkered by preconceptions are welcome here.

[Kari Lynn]

Do your comms mean that disclosure with Mr. King will continue?

If so, I have some questions. Promise not to bite too hard. lol

[THEWATCHER]

Part two of three........

AVALON and CAMELOT

Information yet to be disclosed here will require what many claim to
have, a fully open and enquiring mind and a willingness to accept
that there are other intelligences.The vanity of much of mankind has
denied them access to these other intelligences by way of disbelief.
This vanity has excluded from their minds the validity of other beings
wishing to interact with mankind in a friendly benign way.
A term used here will suffice for these other intelligences.....OPI.

These OPI have been assisting mankind for a very long time. They
have tried to gain acceptance from the varying governments of many
countries. Many are reluctant to admit the existance of such beings
and the resulting covering up of friendly contact has left mankind
doubting that such OPI could exist and be interacting with him and
this planet.

You here at Avalon and Camelot will need a leap of faith in order to
accept what will be disclosed to you by numerous individuals, not
just The Watcher. Many are showing you information. Universal free
laws of thinking allow mankind to accept or deny what will be shown.

Mankind has shown that any being outwardly appearing out of the norm
is rejected and is perceived as a threat to him.To alleviate the fears
inborn within mankind OPI have utilised advanced genetic research to
lessen the shock factor when interacting with mankind on various levels.

Think along the terms of not simply terrestrial, but perhaps terrestrial
plus, working on the terrestrial plane but also above it at same time.

We look forwards to continuing the set timeline via The Watcher here
with you, and hope that sufficient open enquiring minds allow The Watcher
to feel calm enough to relate the true nature of The Watcher and those
like him, origins, purposes and above all, to see the integrity we hope
you will plainly see.

[Kari Lynn]

I take that as a yes?

These Elders:
Much of what I am learning of them, seems to fit in with other childhood teachings I've had. From my grandmother mostly. Is it posible that they are spoken of in some (probably only one) church history book? (I'm not speaking of the bible as everyone knows of it here.)
As for their physical attibutes. Is it possible for them to walk among us and not be detected? Except for maybe their height?
I had seen a couple of men that stood at almost 7 foot tall. But they had dark hair. I've also seen a man who stood about 7 foot tall with incredibly white/blond hair. attributes would probably be described as being albino. I tried not to stare, as that would be rude, lol. But is hard not to take a second or third glance! lol. I just smiled and waved as we passed each other on the street. I was a young kid at the time, of probably 12 or 14 years old. I don't remember what color his eyes were. They're were not overly large though. Fairly normal human looking eyes.

[Orion11]

sweet, well said whoever wrote post #1188 (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showpost.php?p=128278&postcount=1188)
lol :)

[Tarliam]

Its hard for me to keep up with what the topic is with all the extra comments and its a shame, some of the information coming from the watcher is intriguing, so as to not add to it here is my question to the watcher or any who wish to comment. as we know beings have been contacting people telepathically for sometime with messages of love and unity, do you think it is possible that there is a hidden less noble agenda at work, if they are so advanced and thousands and thousands of years more evolved then us would not it be easy to deceive us, in the old days missionaries where sent in advance of settlers to pacify the savages from there warlike lives so they could be more easily subjugated is this possible?? in your opinion sorry about being so negative but these thoughts have been on my mind a lot lately

[THEWATCHER]

Part Three, abridged from original decision.

There may be other individuals within Avalon and Camelot that have
knowledge of facilities within the UK whose remit includes some form
of mindcontrolling technologies utilising unwitting human guinea pigs.
Genetic experimentation and combined Military backed abductions.
The Watcher has gone on record since the early 1990's of his involvement
with one particular facility located in Berkshire.
We can offer the following locations for similar facilities whose remit
duplicates and exceeds that of Peasemore.

Government/Military/Intelligence/R&D facilities located
Wiltshire
Hampshire
Berkshire
North Yorkshire
Devon
Oxfordshire

For obvious reasons more precise locations will not be stated herein just
yet. As stated we do not expect individuals here to simply accept this
data, a little amount of research can secure this.

NOTE*
The Watcher aligned himself with the Disclosure Project run by Dr Steven
M Greer during 2000. Between that date and 2006 Dr Greer stated publicly in interviews that he and his team had under their wings 2 individuals from the UK whom worked within facilities dealing with specific R&D. The Watcher was one of these 2 individuals. The second individual is of a totally unknown quantity but may have approached another disclosure organisation before disappearing totally. Dr Greer has stated that due to the near impossible verification of such black budget programs and the claimants these 2 individuals were put on hold pending such verification in the future. This second individual was reported to have worked at a facility similar to Peasemore but located in Kent.

OPI working with specialised teams have for several decades steered the general public towards accepting other intelligences, using several methodologies including mass media manipulation. Working with individuals within Government, Scientific, Military and Intel circles, plus seeded individuals within the research communities enabled a constant flow of data direction. Within this area psychological procedures were employed to obtain the desired results, the acclimatisation of the human race to OPI.
The psychological operations used are of by neccessity located within what is termed deep black programs. Heavily compartmentalised with strict need to know. Resulting in reasonable deniability within departments whose remit may on occasion interact with the psychological operations.
Careful placement requires little or no paper trail for investigators to pursue.
(On that topic it has been stated to disclosure sources that The Watcher was placed with a front security company to create a plausible paper trail and to satisfy documentation. In this instance the security company involved was Guarda Security).

[THEWATCHER]

Unscheduled Part Four to follow in due course.......

[iainl140285]

Unscheduled Part Four to follow in due course.......

I am unsure if this thread is still open to questions, but i'll have a go.
The above list, notes wiltshire as a base.
Does this base/area have any influence on the large quantity of crop circles in the area? If so can you shed any light on their purpose?

We'll keep watching for further disclosures in due course :thumb_yello:


Regards

[THEWATCHER]

I am unsure if this thread is still open to questions, but i'll have a go.
The above list, notes wiltshire as a base.
Does this base/area have any influence on the large quantity of crop circles in the area? If so can you shed any light on their purpose?

We'll keep watching for further disclosures in due course :thumb_yello:


Regards

The thread is open to the posting of questions and also for casual data input from whomever wishes to input. The Military have a connection with some crop circles but not in the making of them.

[iainl140285]

The thread is open to the posting of questions and also for casual data input from whomever wishes to input. The Military have a connection with some crop circles but not in the making of them.

We are always watchin :original:

[THEWATCHER]

Hmmm, not the only Voice around it appears:original: http://www.voiceentertainment.net/




http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s270/TheWolf1952/thevoicebnr1.gif

[Dantheman62]

The thread is open to the posting of questions and also for casual data input from whomever wishes to input. The Military have a connection with some crop circles but not in the making of them.
You're right about that! Watch the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e54JXZ0MfyU&feature=related

[iainl140285]

You're right about that! Watch the video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e54JXZ0MfyU&feature=related

Great link Dan :thumb_yello:

[Helvetic]

Maj. Ed Dames talked about save zones where crop circles appearing. Interesting...

[THEWATCHER]

PART FOUR

You are requested to slowly read and digest the information you are about to be presented with. This information has to a limited degree been available in the public domain via numerous outlets but not presented in full to a mass media outlet. The reasons for that are only too obvious. The information may appear outrageous, unbelievable, far fetched. But you are reminded that there are numerous other individuals whom claim the same or similar, some far beyond the claims of The Watcher. By doing this we hope the members here will gain a deeper, fuller picture of the state of play. Camelot and Avalon originators too. Data disclosures began many years ago with The Watcher and members are reminded of this when they compare The Watcher data with similar individuals whom arrived within the public domain disclosures during recent years.

Other individuals making similar claims have not been subjected to ridicule, scorn or abuse post disclosure. With that we expect the appreciation from members of courtesey and an open mind post disclosure for The Watcher. Not one individual making these and similar claims can provide positive proof or solid evidence of their respective claims, NOT ONE can thus far. Their respective identities can be verified, their status, to a certain degree, BUT NOT their actual claims. Please kindly bear this in mind when reading and comparing with other similar individuals.

With that said we will now open the book on The Watcher............

The Watcher is a first generation genetically modified/altered/augmented being. This initially began at the age of two when his physical body died for a few minutes and was brought back to life in the hospital (see history timeline).During his childhood he was part of a genetic program which monitored his physical and psychological progress and modifications. These were enhanced further later in life by way of OPI and assisting agencies.

The Watcher has high psychic abilities, some inborn, some placed within and nutured. He has undergone specific training protocols using these abilities which include advanced remote viewing, and remote influencing.
The Watcher has 3 distinct personalities, his everyday persona BMK, plus two others brought about by the programming he received. The second personality is a psy-ops operative by the name of Major Barney Kavanagh. This ID is /was used for certain specific roles which we feel is not to be detailed here just yet. His third ID is that of a programmed to destroy type. Upon triggering this ID will await instructions/orders. If these orders are not forthcoming rapidly the ID goes into a self imposed mind zoning which in effect closes the ID to all outside stimulus but requesting orders of anyone within contact. After a specified time this ID, if not receiving instructions/orders will snap back to original ID, BMK.
This third ID is mostly dormant but can be accidentally triggered by anger, if hurt or attacked, or a perceived threat situation appears high enough, the ID will go into RAGE, its designed programmed protocols. This in effect causes this ID to rampage, destroying anything and anyone in its way as it tries to fulfill its pre-programmed protocols. Even a small frame individual, within this state, can pick up a large 28" TV set (not flat screen lcd type, older type) and hurl it across a room.

We will not go into any great detail concerning the full psychic abilities of The Watcher. In the past these have caused great concern and been the focus of unwanted attention by numerous agencies from several nations. To say The Watcher has been 'used' by these agencies would be an understatement.
It would be foolish to think the abilities of The Watcher and the many individuals like him are not being monitored by those wishing to use them as a weapons system. We know these background levels of monitoring take place.

The Watcher has undergone much in his lifetime and at this late stage he deserves at least a level of respect, just as his peers deserve, those whom have come forwards to state openly what they too have undergone.

THE DOORS HAVE BEEN OPENED, THE UNIVERSE AWAITS YOU..........

[Helvetic]

Hey Barry, that was a nice part! I have some questions...

The NSA is using computer-generated life forms which look like the classic Grey alien. These are basically robots that the military create for use in project Mannequin abductions in your country.They are known as PLF's. PLF stands for programmable life forms.

Project mannequin was started by the NSA in 1972 at the underground facility in Peasmore.
If the two malevolent ET races that seem to be important in this are the Zetan greys and Draconian reptilians from the Orion and Draconis star systems, what was/is their agenda?
Was the deal genetics for technology?

Was THEWATCHER part of project mannequin? If yes what was the reason why THEWATCHER was choosen at the age of two?

In the 1950's a bloodline study was started by the NSA based at Harwell laboratories to find these children to be used in project Mannequin.The NSA is looking for people of certain bloodlines and these are mainly people of Celtic/Blueblood (aristocratic) genetics. People with these genetics have a predisposition to paranormal ability as these cultures have practised paranormal abilities for generations. Therefore it is in the genetic memory of individuals with these bloodlines. These individuals have an RH-negative blood factor.

Where you placed to the "trip seat"? If yes how often?
(A trip seat looks like a dentist's chair and is used for accelerated learning utilising drug-assisted hypnosis.)

Did you do de-programming? If yes for how long?
Was microwave technology used to regrain memories?
Can you say what programms where installed to you?

Thank you! :glasses3::beer:

[THEWATCHER]

We will gladly answer your questions on The Watchers behalf shortly......:original:

[THEWATCHER]

Hey Barry, that was a nice part! I have some questions...

The NSA is using computer-generated life forms which look like the classic Grey alien. These are basically robots that the military create for use in project Mannequin abductions in your country.They are known as PLF's. PLF stands for programmable life forms.

Project mannequin was started by the NSA in 1972 at the underground facility in Peasmore.

Let us correct an inaccuracy here, a misquote. Project Mannequin began life in 1972, from an earlier program, in another facility situated in Hampshire. The completion of Peasemore in 1979 enabled a move to that facility.
If the two malevolent ET races that seem to be important in this are the Zetan greys and Draconian reptilians from the Orion and Draconis star systems, what was/is their agenda?
Why limit to these two races?
Varying agendas
Was the deal genetics for technology?
Depending on which set of deals you speak

Was THEWATCHER part of project mannequin? If yes what was the reason why THEWATCHER was choosen at the age of two?
The Watcher became involved with an OPI at that age and in the genetics study program throughout childhood, onto becoming part of Mannequin in 1979

In the 1950's a bloodline study was started by the NSA based at Harwell laboratories to find these children to be used in project Mannequin.The NSA is looking for people of certain bloodlines and these are mainly people of Celtic/Blueblood (aristocratic) genetics. People with these genetics have a predisposition to paranormal ability as these cultures have practised paranormal abilities for generations. Therefore it is in the genetic memory of individuals with these bloodlines. These individuals have an RH-negative blood factor.
Seems you are quoting Mr James Casbolt whom slightly differs The Watchers original data

Where you placed to the "trip seat"? If yes how often?
Yes The Watcher has been programmed and modified whilst in the trip seat device numerous times
(A trip seat looks like a dentist's chair and is used for accelerated learning utilising drug-assisted hypnosis.)

Did you do de-programming? If yes for how long?
The Watcher has that capability and has used this since the late 1990's, the latest time being initial deprogramming session with James Casbolt in the summer of 2007
Was microwave technology used to regrain memories?
This technology is used to control, trigger, erase rather than regain
Can you say what programms where installed to you?
It would mean little or nothing to you by quoting project tags, James Casbolt has stated his version of several such programs but we will not endorse those here for the time being

Thank you! :glasses3::beer:

We wish this has assisted you:original:

[THEWATCHER]

May I ask who "We" is?

Thank you.

You may but the answer will not be as expected, let us just say we have The Watchers best interests at heart and on a more selfish note, have a vested interest in his welfare:original:

[THEWATCHER]

Thank you for answering. Perhaps it is proper to have the Watcher's best interest at heart. I respect that.

I have no "expectations" .....just the desire to know who we are dealing with. I have the Avalon community's best interest at heart and selfishly, my own curiosity. :original:

Perfectly understandable, we respect that. We mean to merely assist with questioning on The Watchers behalf and buffer him from intimidation should any arise

[Christo888]

Excerpt from post above "Was microwave technology used to regrain memories?
This technology is used to control, trigger, erase rather than regain"

Is this also true of current public microwave communication systems?

A well known, supposedly ex, alphabet agency personality seems almost fanatical about bringing to light the activation of a vigilante program every time a person goes into a rampage and is in the news. Is this a similar use of that technology? And if so does food effect the results in anyway? Or does a person have to be specifically targeted, programmed or implanted in order for microwave technology to have its effect?

[thuras]

Just because it hasn't been asked yet:
What do you think of Virgil Armstrong, the "Haunebu people" and hollow earth?

[Kosams]

Good evening Barry and Co,

It's taken a week for me to catch up and at the end I thought I missed the bus.:shocked:

You have spoken of all these under ground facilities and I have to wonder what they did with all that "spare" dirt?

Do you know if there were any facilities near the Edinburgh RAAF Base 25kms north of Adelaide, South Australia?

Can you tell us who funds the facilities in Australia?

Just how important globally is Pine Gape to the over all picture that you have painted re: UFO etc?

Thanks for waiting for me.:original: Take care.

Jim

[iainl140285]

Will Barry return?
If not give him my regards. :original:

Moving forward. I will assume that if these replies are not coming from Barry himself, they must be coming from either another Watcher, or whomever was authorising Barry to release the info. he has up to this point.

How many Watchers are out there? (I do not expecct an actual answer to this but it is a question non the less :naughty:)

Why are the Watchers using forums like these to release info.?

Do the Watchers believe that total disclosure will only come as a result of public action?

Do the Watchers use forums like these to gather info.?

Do the Watchers have an mission objective? If so does this run on a time line? It would seem from Barrys posts that info. could only be released at certain points in time.

Should an incident ever be immenint and to the Watchers knowledge would they advise the public?

Thank you in advance.
Best Regards
Iain

[Steve_A]

Hi THEWATCHER,

I think the magic word in this post could be 'minder' which has been used to describe the relationship between the owners of this website. So why not you have at least one 'minder' also? Keeps you in the loop.

Other people making similar unproven claims have been ridiculed, it's just that they were wise and didn't argue back.

I think you made an important point that many other people have made the same claim in public, which of course would include yourself. As Emmenegger said in a recent interview, he feels that there are many people in X - conference and UFO circles that use third hand information and use it as their own. You can understand the frustration of some people who have to try and sift through the **** to find the good stuff, which is possibly why an other member of this forum asked for a glimpse of evidence to back up your claims and the even more frustration that they had when this request was refused. That, in my opinion, only places you among the sea of people who make these claims. I'm sure that with you being a first generation being, you can understand that.

It's good that you mention about the 28" TV, as this tells me you have a very old broken television at home, or you showed this 'amazing' feat of strength twenty years ago. By the way I know a couple of TV delivery guys who do the same every day.

If you really have heightened psychic ability, you will probably be knowing what I'm thinking right now.

Best regards,

Steve



PART FOUR

You are requested to slowly read and digest the information you are about to be presented with. This information has to a limited degree been available in the public domain via numerous outlets but not presented in full to a mass media outlet. The reasons for that are only too obvious. The information may appear outrageous, unbelievable, far fetched. But you are reminded that there are numerous other individuals whom claim the same or similar, some far beyond the claims of The Watcher. By doing this we hope the members here will gain a deeper, fuller picture of the state of play. Camelot and Avalon originators too. Data disclosures began many years ago with The Watcher and members are reminded of this when they compare The Watcher data with similar individuals whom arrived within the public domain disclosures during recent years.

Other individuals making similar claims have not been subjected to ridicule, scorn or abuse post disclosure. With that we expect the appreciation from members of courtesey and an open mind post disclosure for The Watcher. Not one individual making these and similar claims can provide positive proof or solid evidence of their respective claims, NOT ONE can thus far. Their respective identities can be verified, their status, to a certain degree, BUT NOT their actual claims. Please kindly bear this in mind when reading and comparing with other similar individuals.

With that said we will now open the book on The Watcher............

The Watcher is a first generation genetically modified/altered/augmented being. This initially began at the age of two when his physical body died for a few minutes and was brought back to life in the hospital (see history timeline).During his childhood he was part of a genetic program which monitored his physical and psychological progress and modifications. These were enhanced further later in life by way of OPI and assisting agencies.

The Watcher has high psychic abilities, some inborn, some placed within and nutured. He has undergone specific training protocols using these abilities which include advanced remote viewing, and remote influencing.
The Watcher has 3 distinct personalities, his everyday persona BMK, plus two others brought about by the programming he received. The second personality is a psy-ops operative by the name of Major Barney Kavanagh. This ID is /was used for certain specific roles which we feel is not to be detailed here just yet. His third ID is that of a programmed to destroy type. Upon triggering this ID will await instructions/orders. If these orders are not forthcoming rapidly the ID goes into a self imposed mind zoning which in effect closes the ID to all outside stimulus but requesting orders of anyone within contact. After a specified time this ID, if not receiving instructions/orders will snap back to original ID, BMK.
This third ID is mostly dormant but can be accidentally triggered by anger, if hurt or attacked, or a perceived threat situation appears high enough, the ID will go into RAGE, its designed programmed protocols. This in effect causes this ID to rampage, destroying anything and anyone in its way as it tries to fulfill its pre-programmed protocols. Even a small frame individual, within this state, can pick up a large 28" TV set (not flat screen lcd type, older type) and hurl it across a room.

We will not go into any great detail concerning the full psychic abilities of The Watcher. In the past these have caused great concern and been the focus of unwanted attention by numerous agencies from several nations. To say The Watcher has been 'used' by these agencies would be an understatement.
It would be foolish to think the abilities of The Watcher and the many individuals like him are not being monitored by those wishing to use them as a weapons system. We know these background levels of monitoring take place.

The Watcher has undergone much in his lifetime and at this late stage he deserves at least a level of respect, just as his peers deserve, those whom have come forwards to state openly what they too have undergone.

THE DOORS HAVE BEEN OPENED, THE UNIVERSE AWAITS YOU..........

[Kari Lynn]

In the 1950's a bloodline study was started by the NSA based at Harwell laboratories to find these children to be used in project Mannequin.The NSA is looking for people of certain bloodlines and these are mainly people of Celtic/Blueblood (aristocratic) genetics. People with these genetics have a predisposition to paranormal ability as these cultures have practised paranormal abilities for generations. Therefore it is in the genetic memory of individuals with these bloodlines. These individuals have an RH-negative blood factor.

Hi Guys,
I was wondering how much of this does play into it, or if it's just a coincidence with me.
My father had rare type blood, B-
My mother did have 8 other miscarriages. My brother and I were only two surviving children because of the RH-, as well as other health problems she had.
I also believe there could be celtic blood line in my family history. (Yeah lots of red heads here! lol)

[burgundia]

Hi Guys,
I was wondering how much of this does play into it, or if it's just a coincidence with me.
My father had rare type blood, B-
My mother did have 8 other miscarriages. My brother and I were only two surviving children because of the RH-, as well as other health problems she had.
I also believe there could be celtic blood line in my family history. (Yeah lots of red heads here! lol)

if your father had B- , then there shouldn't have been any conflict. The problems arise when mother is Rh- and the child in her womb is Rh+. And only if this is the second child with Rh+.

[Kari Lynn]

[B][I] PART FOUR
The Watcher has 3 distinct personalities, his everyday persona BMK, plus two others brought about by the programming he received. The second personality is a psy-ops operative by the name of Major Barney Kavanagh. This ID is /was used for certain specific roles which we feel is not to be detailed here just yet. His third ID is that of a programmed to destroy type. Upon triggering this ID will await instructions/orders. If these orders are not forthcoming rapidly the ID goes into a self imposed mind zoning which in effect closes the ID to all outside stimulus but requesting orders of anyone within contact. After a specified time this ID, if not receiving instructions/orders will snap back to original ID, BMK.
Would you be able to tell me what duty a psy-op would carry out regarding a milab?

[Kari Lynn]

if your father had B- , then there shouldn't have been any conflict. The problems arise when mother is Rh- and the child in her womb is Rh+. And only if this is the second child with Rh+.
I don't know much about the Rh factor,
just that my father was B- and my mother A+
Shouldn't have been a conflict, but yet, she lost 8 other children. Oops 9, one pregnancy was twins. Older than me.
None of her pregnancies went to full term. I was born at 7 months gestation, and my brother at 8 months gestation. twins at 6 months, and died within 24 hrs. Others didn't make it that far.

But I'm wondering if the fact that my father had B- blood type, and was considered rare enough that he was on a list at the hospital to give blood on emergency situation, (and did) if that has any bearing considering milabs?

[burgundia]

I don't know much about the Rh factor,
just that my father was B- and my mother A+
Shouldn't have been a conflict, but yet, she lost 8 other children. Oops 9, one pregnancy was twins. Older than me.
None of her pregnancies went to full term. I was born at 7 months gestation, and my brother at 8 months gestation. twins at 6 months, and died within 24 hrs. Others didn't make it that far.

But I'm wondering if the fact that my father had B- blood type, and was considered rare enough that he was on a list at the hospital to give blood on emergency situation, (and did) if that has any bearing considering milabs?

i am B- ( I inherited the(-) from my grandmother). it is supposed to be "reptilian" blood.

[THEWATCHER]

Original quote from Steve_A..................

Hi THEWATCHER,

I think the magic word in this post could be 'minder' which has been used to describe the relationship between the owners of this website. So why not you have at least one 'minder' also? Keeps you in the loop.
Minder is a good term to use, we can go along with that.
Other people making similar unproven claims have been ridiculed, it's just that they were wise and didn't argue back.
The Watcher, like many, has a temper, his programming and training takes over and fights back in these situations. We are here to calm the waters.

I think you made an important point that many other people have made the same claim in public, which of course would include yourself. As Emmenegger said in a recent interview, he feels that there are many people in X - conference and UFO circles that use third hand information and use it as their own. You can understand the frustration of some people who have to try and sift through the **** to find the good stuff, which is possibly why an other member of this forum asked for a glimpse of evidence to back up your claims and the even more frustration that they had when this request was refused. That, in my opinion, only places you among the sea of people who make these claims. I'm sure that with you being a first generation being, you can understand that.
The Watcher fully appreciates, as we do, the frustration here. the refusal was handled less than satisfactorily in our eyes but The Watcher has his hands tied to a degree here. The member demanding proof was a little too focussed on earthly, fixed boundaries with fixed regimented rules and regulations concerning such documentation. It has not been an easy task for The Watcher here in trying to state the situation he was in.Non terrestrial assisted teams, specialising in operations with individuals from two nations, beyond the terrestrial restrictions and limitations of regular forces. Elimination of tracing and a paper trail eliminates such documentation. This is an area that members will simply have to take in their stride and will not be given the golden fleece they request no matter how forcibly.Move on to other things was a term used by one of your website originators.

It's good that you mention about the 28" TV, as this tells me you have a very old broken television at home, or you showed this 'amazing' feat of strength twenty years ago. By the way I know a couple of TV delivery guys who do the same every day.
This made us chuckle somewhat. The said TV receiver was a 2003 model Samsung large screen, deep backed as most of that type are. Measuring approx. 30" across, 23" high, 20" deep and possibly weighing somewhere around 25Kg, we do not exactly know nor care. But to be picked up from its stand and hurled across a room as if it were a shoebox by an individual whom was at the time very ill, barely weighing 115Lbs, due to illness, we thought was quite impressive. This was in recent times.
Those TV delivery guys have a unique method of delivering the TV sets then? Throwing them 15ft across the room, or perhaps from the truck to the front door? LOL LOL LOL. Its a wonder they still have employment.If you really have heightened psychic ability, you will probably be knowing what I'm thinking right now.
Among the data running around your mind is that you think all of this is utter rubbish, (your terminolgy being somewhat more coloured than allowed here in print). That is OK, that is fine and respected. Each to their beliefs.Best regards,

Steve

Thankyou for your input

[THEWATCHER]

Excerpt from post above "Was microwave technology used to regrain memories?
This technology is used to control, trigger, erase rather than regain"

Is this also true of current public microwave communication systems?
:original:Surely the Governments only have your best interests at heart?

A well known, supposedly ex, alphabet agency personality seems almost fanatical about bringing to light the activation of a vigilante program every time a person goes into a rampage and is in the news. Is this a similar use of that technology? And if so does food effect the results in anyway? Or does a person have to be specifically targeted, programmed or implanted in order for microwave technology to have its effect?
That would not be a very wise action to take. Triggering of programmed individuals can take several forms. A link usually has to be made, instigated beforehand yes. To a lesser degree but still damaging is Aspartame. This is an area others are more suited to answering.

[THEWATCHER]

Just because it hasn't been asked yet:
What do you think of Virgil Armstrong, the "Haunebu people" and hollow earth?

We deeply respect a pioneer such as Virgil and his views. Do you refer to this..............http://enc.slider.com/Enc/Haunebu ?As for hollow earth theories, interesting theories but thats as far as they go

[THEWATCHER]

Good evening Barry and Co,

It's taken a week for me to catch up and at the end I thought I missed the bus.:shocked:

You have spoken of all these under ground facilities and I have to wonder what they did with all that "spare" dirt?
FROWNING with puzzlement......How on earth did anyone accomplish civilian tunneling such as the London Underground, or even Channel Tunnel? If its on military sites this causes no concerns to locals nor has to be explained.

Do you know if there were any facilities near the Edinburgh RAAF Base 25kms north of Adelaide, South Australia?
You almost give precise location, do you wish to be more precise?

Can you tell us who funds the facilities in Australia?
If they are US facilities the funding, overt and covert, comes from the US.

Just how important globally is Pine Gape to the over all picture that you have painted re: UFO etc?
Pine Gap is a very strategic facility covering numerous aspects besides their openly stated remit, including Echelon.

Thanks for waiting for me.:original: Take care.

Jim

No problem:original:

[THEWATCHER]

Will Barry return?
If not give him my regards. :original:
For the time being his health requires stabilising and less stress. The Watcher will return at some point.

Moving forward. I will assume that if these replies are not coming from Barry himself, they must be coming from either another Watcher, or whomever was authorising Barry to release the info. he has up to this point.
You may call us Watchers also, or minders as Steve A terms us.

How many Watchers are out there? (I do not expecct an actual answer to this but it is a question non the less :naughty:)
Not necessary to play the numbers game:original:

Why are the Watchers using forums like these to release info.?
An ideal scenario to assist the enquiring minds found at these sites. Censorship takes place all too frequently in modern living, disclosing data in these forums allows more freedom of speech and we can reach those we feel will receive the data more openly.

Do the Watchers believe that total disclosure will only come as a result of public action?
Full disclosure will come about after a very long time, areas of less disclosure will and has been filtering into the public domain. There are levels to be adhered to. The public will play a significant part in allowing low level disclosure and perhaps middle level also.

Do the Watchers use forums like these to gather info.?
There is little point in gathering data in such places, individuals have their privacy which we respect. We share a common interest in getting the information out to others, these forums offer that.

Do the Watchers have an mission objective? If so does this run on a time line? It would seem from Barrys posts that info. could only be released at certain points in time.
Yes several, timelines are adhered to, at this point we aim to push The Watchers disclosures fully into the public domain.

Should an incident ever be immenint and to the Watchers knowledge would they advise the public?
That would depend on which type of incident you refer to, local, national or global?

Thank you in advance.
Best Regards
Iain
You are welcome

[THEWATCHER]

Would you be able to tell me what duty a psy-op would carry out regarding a milab?

Two different areas of speciality and remit. Psy-ops may include the specialising in assisting with retrievals so there might be a slight connection

[judykott]

Would you be able to give some information about the Chimera programs?

[burgundia]

Will you say something about Rh- bloodlines?

[thuras]

Do you refer to this..............http://enc.slider.com/Enc/Haunebu ?

Exactly. According to VA and others, they are somewhere in New Swabia/Antarctica oder South America.

[Agape]

How about conscience, do Watchers have anything of that kind or is it irreversible damage of supra personality condemned to darkness of Echelon database .

Are the others posing here under the same name suffering the same syndrom and proud to annouce that to the world ?

With one little suspicion the whole army can be undermined, i re-mind you.

In Truth :original:

[Kari Lynn]

Two different areas of speciality and remit. Psy-ops may include the specialising in assisting with retrievals so there might be a slight connection
Retrievals? As in collection of the milab victims from their home? Transport?

What if the milab victim were already in the facility, on an exam table, wide awake, what would a Psi-op be called upon for?

[Kosams]

Originally Posted by Kosams View Post
Good evening Barry and Co,

It's taken a week for me to catch up and at the end I thought I missed the bus.

You have spoken of all these under ground facilities and I have to wonder what they did with all that "spare" dirt?
FROWNING with puzzlement......How on earth did anyone accomplish civilian tunneling such as the London Underground, or even Channel Tunnel? If its on military sites this causes no concerns to locals nor has to be explained.

Do you know if there were any facilities near the Edinburgh RAAF Base 25kms north of Adelaide, South Australia?
You almost give precise location, do you wish to be more precise?
"DSTO in South Australia"
In South Australia, DSTO's existence began when the British and Australian governments agreed in principle to cooperate in long-range weapons research. Britain's vulnerability to attack by the new ballistic missile technology became apparent in the latter stages of World War II when German V2 rockets were launched from The Hague in Holland and directed on to London. With warfare now able to be conducted from a distance, the British government was keen to embrace the new technology and, with it, the development of guided weapons, in order to deter future aggressors.

Britain looked to its Commonwealth territories late in 1945 in order to find a partner and a suitable site for a proving range because of the unavailability of suitable sites at home and the need to ensure safety.

A large tract of arid land in the north-west of South Australia was chosen following extensive inspections. The one-time Salisbury Munitions Factory, built between 1940 and 1941 to service the demands of World War II was selected as the project's technical base. http://www.dsto.defence.gov.au/page/356/

There have been rumors that there was a 'craft' being stored there but has since been moved to Pine Gape.


Can you tell us who funds the facilities in Australia?
If they are US facilities the funding, overt and covert, comes from the US.

Just how important globally is Pine Gape to the over all picture that you have painted re: UFO etc?
Pine Gap is a very strategic facility covering numerous aspects besides their openly stated remit, including Echelon.

Thanks for waiting for me. Take care.

Jim

Cheers
Jim

[THEWATCHER]

Would you be able to give some information about the Chimera programs?

any one in particular?...................

Chimera (genetics), a single animal organism with genetically distinct cells from two different zygotes
Chimera (plant), a single plant organism with genetically distinct cells from two different zygotes or from a mixed-species callus
Chimera (paleontology), a fossil which was reconstructed with parts from different animals
in paleontology, a taxon composed of the fossils of several different species but presumed to be from one species
Chimera (virus), a virus containing genetic material from other organisms
Chimera (protein), a hybrid protein made by splicing two genes
Chimera (EST), a single cDNA sequence originating from two transcripts
Chimaera, a cartilaginous fish related to sharks
Chimaera (genus), the namesake and type genus of the order Chimaeriformes

[THEWATCHER]

Will you say something about Rh- bloodlines?

we could but perhaps we feel much has already been said about that, too much at times

[THEWATCHER]

Exactly. According to VA and others, they are somewhere in New Swabia/Antarctica oder South America.

Interesting indeed:original:

[THEWATCHER]

How about conscience, do Watchers have anything of that kind or is it irreversible damage of supra personality condemned to darkness of Echelon database .

Are the others posing here under the same name suffering the same syndrom and proud to annouce that to the world ?

With one little suspicion the whole army can be undermined, i re-mind you.

In Truth :original:

What about conscience? We all have one to a lesser or greater degree.Can you elaborate please on this 'syndrome', and proud of what precisely? Be overly cautious and suspicious and you might just miss the bus:original:

[THEWATCHER]

Retrievals? As in collection of the milab victims from their home? Transport?

What if the milab victim were already in the facility, on an exam table, wide awake, what would a Psi-op be called upon for?


No, no, not as in milab abductee, rather as in hardware/software retrieval...........crashed (unlikely) downed (more probable)

[burgundia]

we could but perhaps we feel much has already been said about that, too much at times

so maybe you could say more general things about Rh- blood type. Was it created for specific purposes? if so, what? what is the genetic line of people with Rh-?

[thuras]

Interesting indeed:original:

Since English isn't my mother tongue, I might get it wrong, but that wasn't an answer to my question.. Or was it? :original:

[Agape]

What about conscience? We all have one to a lesser or greater degree.Can you elaborate please on this 'syndrome', and proud of what precisely? Be overly cautious and suspicious and you might just miss the bus:original:

Conscience...higher cognitive faculty of mind allowing every intelligent being to doubt, to reschedule his own preconcieved ideas , in order to achieve perfection and wisdom.
Conscience refers to 'vertical' processes of your mind, self-born evolution of human genome.

Whilst your claims in this thread refer to evolution genetically altered to achieve higher level of multidimensional personality perfection,
the law of quantum saturation suggests that natural vertical evolution in beings of your type are inhibited.

Multiplicity of personalities might be referred to as 'syndrom' ( collection of symptoms ) according to modern psychology trends.
As you've yourself suggested that Mr King uses at least 3 distinct personality types, while stating at the same time it's someone else speaking for him in this thread,
we may consider you one of his alter egos and we'd not do any logical mistake by doing so, since the probability of imposing his claims to another persons mouth is about the same as its intentional reverse.

Now, on more serious note, where is your bus taking us to, any suggestion ?
What kind of action do you expect from thinking public overwhelmed by facts here disclosed , public terrified and unprotected ? Are there any protective intentions coiled to these information efforts from your side ?

:smoke:

[Kari Lynn]

No, no, not as in milab abductee, rather as in hardware/software retrieval...........crashed (unlikely) downed (more probable)
Private PM to you please.

[THEWATCHER]

so maybe you could say more general things about Rh- blood type. Was it created for specific purposes? if so, what? what is the genetic line of people with Rh-?

Apologies, we were not sure if you requested our take on this or wished to simply know if we had knowledge of topic

[burgundia]

Apologies, we were not sure if you requested our take on this or wished to simply know if we had knowledge of topic

if you can give a straight answer...

[Ara]

Rh Factors: Are You Positive or Negative?

Scientists sometimes study Rhesus monkeys to learn more about the human anatomy because there are certain similarities between the two species. While studying Rhesus monkeys, a certain blood protein was discovered. This protein is also present in the blood of some people. Other people, however, do not have the protein. The presence of the protein, or lack of it, is referred to as the Rh (for Rhesus) factor.

If your blood does contain the protein, your blood is said to be Rh positive (Rh+). If your blood does not contain the protein, your blood is said to be Rh negative (Rh-).

This Rh factor is connected to your blood type. For example, your blood may be AB+ which means that you have type AB blood with a positive Rh factor. Or, you might have O- blood which means that you have type O blood with a negative Rh factor.

It is particularly important for expectant mothers to know their blood's Rh factor. Occasionally, a baby will inherit an Rh positive blood type from its father while the mother has an Rh negative blood type. The baby's life could be in great danger if the mother's Rh negative blood attacks the baby's Rh positive blood. If this happens, an exchange transfusion may save the baby's life. The baby's blood can be exchanged for new blood that matches the mother's.

Excerpt from An interview with Alex Newald:


Yes basically I was concerned for my health and I actually had a medical check up immediately after that, I passed with a clean bill of health but one thing I did find that I had a rather rare blood group... Well I was a rhesus negative blood group which I had never heard of before and I started to do some research.

And I found out over the course of the last few years that people with Rhesus Negative Blood have certainly been having more strange interactions with what we might call Interdimensional Entities than those of the most regular blood group, so for whatever the reasons there's a tie up there with something in our past

A few years back I asked Dr Dan Burisch if Rhesus proteins were evident in the J-Rod's genome. He replied "No".

Apparently Rhesus proteins were eliminated from their genomic tree as a result of many generations of tinkering with their own DNA.

Interesting to note, the "time traveling J-Rods" reportedly traveled into Earth's past and began tinkering with the 'then' human genome of certain people. ( Possibly those humans tagged within the survey at the time.)

All the Best
Ara

[iainl140285]

Quote: Should an incident ever be immenint and to the Watchers knowledge would they advise the public?
That would depend on which type of incident you refer to, local, national or global?

Lets say a global event for instance, possibly a falsified event. ET or otherwise, ie. false terror attack. A false ET event surely couldnt be in your favour if they are portrayed in a negative light?

If joe public wanted to, could they request contact? :lmao:

Who watches the Watchers? :mfr_lol:

Will the Watchers at any point in the future be in a position to provide an alternative evidence to dialouge? The phrase a picture says a thousand words springs to mind :thumb_yello:


Best Regards
Iain

[Agape]

if you can give a straight answer...

You are not a monkey, but our common human ancestry crossbread with animals since when they started to eat them.
First human beings eat only vegetable...

Ask who were these 'first human beings' ?

........................

But since they 've started to consume other entities, they've accepted all of their biological information in their blood, therefor you can find their various traces right there.
Later on, some 've also mated with those animals, for sacrificial reasons so to say and created human-animal hybrids.
The Rh monkey protein and many others comes right from there.

There were also other, more advanced , intelligent species and beings creating offsprings here and helping this civilisation from inside.

Man is the most responsible for his own mistakes here,

but then again, ask , who is the first man, who is the real you , biological you , the dominant identity. Those who know already, they don't have to ask :naughty:

[THEWATCHER]

Information input due shortly, seems synchronicity abounds too:original:

[Ara]

Originally Posted by Kari Lynn http://projectavalon.net/forum/electric/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=131428#post131428)
Retrievals? As in collection of the milab victims from their home? Transport?

What if the milab victim were already in the facility, on an exam table, wide awake, what would a Psi-op be called upon for?


No, no, not as in milab abductee, rather as in hardware/software retrieval...........crashed (unlikely) downed (more probable)

Barry et al,

Could a psi-operative interface with the downed/crashed craft's system to retrieve data/ information?
Are they used to communicate with the occupants? To retrieve information from the occupants as well?

All the Best
Ara

[THEWATCHER]

We shall continue with the buffering of The Watcher for the time being and responding here on his behalf. The Watcher has health issues that prevent his attendance here. Private messages to The Watcher will have to remain pending until such time he can respond directly. We thank all here for your kind patience. Other matters are being attended to which require time away from the monitoring of this thread. Responses to previous questions have not been forgotten nor will be neglected......simply on hold temporarily.

[THEWATCHER]

if you can give a straight answer...

Straight answer, very well. A great deal of research has been quietly undertaken by interested parties since Paperclip. We are only prepared to publicly state on this range of topics that the research community should focus their attention on two specific cases from the 1960's. These two case reports continue to be thrown into the mix of unknowns but in fact were two R&D instances from NASA. These being the 1964 Socorro case and the 1965 Kecksburg case. We shall say no more on this. German research was frantic during the 1930's and 1940's culminating in various advanced technologies which were not completed, the work continued on these varying technologies in the late 1940's. This is all we will say.

[THEWATCHER]

Quote: Should an incident ever be immenint and to the Watchers knowledge would they advise the public?
That would depend on which type of incident you refer to, local, national or global?

Lets say a global event for instance, possibly a falsified event. ET or otherwise, ie. false terror attack. A false ET event surely couldnt be in your favour if they are portrayed in a negative light?
Once open contact has been established the public will see for themselves the races currently interacting here on this planet. There is much more to fear from your own governments than hostile OPI at this time.

If joe public wanted to, could they request contact? :lmao:
That has been the case for a very long time

Who watches the Watchers? :mfr_lol:
LOL, indeed, more Watchers:original:

Will the Watchers at any point in the future be in a position to provide an alternative evidence to dialouge? The phrase a picture says a thousand words springs to mind :thumb_yello:
What exactly have you in mind?


Best Regards
Iain

The Watchers

[THEWATCHER]

You are not a monkey, but our common human ancestry crossbread with animals since when they started to eat them.
First human beings eat only vegetable...

Ask who were these 'first human beings' ?

........................

But since they 've started to consume other entities, they've accepted all of their biological information in their blood, therefor you can find their various traces right there.
Later on, some 've also mated with those animals, for sacrificial reasons so to say and created human-animal hybrids.
The Rh monkey protein and many others comes right from there.

There were also other, more advanced , intelligent species and beings creating offsprings here and helping this civilisation from inside.

Man is the most responsible for his own mistakes here,

but then again, ask , who is the first man, who is the real you , biological you , the dominant identity. Those who know already, they don't have to ask :naughty:

Those that know do not speak of this they simply smile knowingly

[THEWATCHER]

Barry et al,

Could a psi-operative interface with the downed/crashed craft's system to retrieve data/ information?
Are they used to communicate with the occupants? To retrieve information from the occupants as well?

All the Best
Ara

Hello Ara, ah yes, The Watcher stated more than once of someone here whom was very astute, very much on the ball, we take it as being you.:original: Exactly so Ara, exactly so. There have been occasions when situations have arisen whereby Psy-Ops have faced off troops from more than one nation in the recovery of downed craft and the retrieval that followed of data.

[THEWATCHER]

Will you say something about Rh- bloodlines?

No, this is an area that has been corrupted and contaminated

[THEWATCHER]

In the UK should public disorder occur on a nationwide scale the UK government could, could, implement 'Warden', a system of controls very much like the US Martial Law controls. This is deemed unlikely but perhaps it is good to know such systems are readied, just in case.

[Alterego]

If joe public wanted to, could they request contact?
That has been the case for a very long time

Are you in a position to elaborate on this?

Thanks

[Agape]

Those that know do not speak of this they simply smile knowingly

Unless you encourage OPEN dialogue between those who know , it might escape you what they know and we might all 'miss the bus' at the end..

There had been endless tabus proclaimed over certain type of knowledge for millenia, quite simular one we're here for right now,
and those with knowledge were condemned to smile , not dare to speak and to teach the masses something that was not truth at all.

OPI don't dare to come near to those with weapons in their hands, feeling threatened and threatening ..wish there appears palpable change in attitude from you who proudly call themselves WATCHERS, so you' be able to accomodate ideas and beings of benevolent character if they ever wish to speak .

:cup:

[THEWATCHER]

Unless you encourage OPEN dialogue between those who know , it might escape you what they know and we might all 'miss the bus' at the end..

There had been endless tabus proclaimed over certain type of knowledge for millenia, quite simular one we're here for right now,
and those with knowledge were condemned to smile , not dare to speak and to teach the masses something that was not truth at all.

OPI don't dare to come near to those with weapons in their hands, feeling threatened and threatening ..wish there appears palpable change in attitude from you who proudly call themselves WATCHERS, so you' be able to accomodate ideas and beings of benevolent character if they ever wish to speak .

:cup:

We freely speak of many things, as we expect all others here to speak freely