Vegetarians or Vegans?

[Morgan]

To add to the B12 discussion, I have read in multiple many (non-MSM) books/places that the B12 levels they state as 'normal' on blood tests are not only INCREDIBLY vast in range (I think the labs I go to say 200-800?), but also many alternative health professionals will tell you that 200 is WAY TOO LOW. Most people start to feel low energy and other symptoms of B12 deficiency before ever dipping below that level. (I was one of them.)

Additionally, the "healthy" or "normal" levels on the blood tests are actually 'averages' or what have you of the samples blood labs take from people. (Check out books by Sherry A. Rogers MD for more specifics. She's an allergist who became anti-pharmaceuticals and now treats people by looking for causes, recommends supplements, saunas, etc.) Now use logic - who gets their blood tested most often, sick people or healthy people? And who is more likely to be vitamin deficient? Dr Rogers basically states that the levels medical labs use for 'normal' are too low for people who want to be genuinely healthy.

B12 is only found in animal products, or, I am told, in fermented foods. Bacteria can produce it.

Looking for a supplement, aim for B12 in the form of methylcobalamin. (The cyanocobalamin is not absorbed as readily.)

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Now I want to comment on being vegan/vegetarian. I was vegetarian for 9 years and vegan for over half that duration, until becoming severely ill. My diet wasn't ace, but I was more nutritionally informed than probably 90% of people. I was deficient in all kinds of micronutrients and found to be allergic to literally ALL grains (yes, even spelt and the alternative grains).

I switched to a meat, veggie, and fruit diet. My health has recovered considerably.

So my 'beef' (ha) with this 'vegetarianism is more spiritual' is that - what do I do? With my allergies and other health experiences, I barely survive on a vegetarian diet, nevermind vegan. There has been much research into epileptics and other health conditions that show some people/health conditions do MUCH better on ketogenic or high protein diets.

So what does one say to my sector of the population? We won't ascend because we can't survive on plants alone? We will never progress spiritually because our ill health requires us to eat animal sources of protein?

I totally 100% support vegetarians/vegans, and I would be one were I in a different situation. I just find it hard to believe that my spiritual advancement would be blocked because in this incarnation I have conditions that require me to adhere to a particular diet in order to function in society.

I don't mean to cause any trouble either, and I love this thread, but I had to speak up on this. Vegetarianism, done with some knowledge, is absolutely healthy and ideal for people who are suited to it.