The Catalyst

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Tango

Sooo... How many that have seen and picked something from the video ?

This is the disease Morgellons, people... transhumanism with connections to the Nazi's, Project Paper Clip, Eternal Life and change of genetics. Wow, Not like in the beginning the group Would have caught this...

The discovery of what the ' Kundalini ' is, how it could be involved and showing the symptoms that are present. Perhaps together we can look at everything and than with Morgellons one learns never to say this is it---next minute it changes.

I'm trying to understand your point here. The video contains images of some kind of filaments. Are you saying you believe those are images of Morgellons?

Whether they are or are not, what if anything does that have to do with the "light encoded filaments" that Marciniak is describing? I assume you understand that she had nothing to do with this video. The narration was lifted from the audio book rendition of Bringers of the Dawn.

What's the "discovery" you're referring to, and what does kundalini have to do with the rest of this? Also, if there's something about "kundalini symptoms" that you'd like to bring up, why not just say what that is instead of instructing us to Google it?

Marciniak's information is about the only channeled stuff that I halfway trust, and I know enough about her to assure you that she's not getting it from the CIA. Using this excerpt of dialog she channeled 20 years ago to draw this association is really a stretch.

In this I agree with you...the fact that you can draw these kinds of conclusions and get no reaction does say nothing (good) about this forum.

[Anomaly]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

I'm trying to understand your point here. The video contains images of some kind of filaments. Are you saying you believe those are images of Morgellons?

Those ARE images of morgellons fibers and nano-crystaline devices that emerge from sufferers bodies who are going through what's being called by an advocacy group as 'morgellons'.

Whether they are or are not, what if anything does that have to do with the "light encoded filaments" that Marciniak is describing?

when put under UV lighting the morgellons fibers auto-fluoresce

What's the "discovery" you're referring to, and what does kundulini have to do with the rest of this? Also, if there's something about "kundulini symptoms" that you'd like to bring up, why not just say what that is instead of instructing us to Google it?

the 'lesions' and fibers are what is sensationalized in the media about morgellons.
What's not covered as much, is the crawling sensaitons, the muscle twitching, the deep muscle vibration feelings, the chakra-location pains, the hair moving like static electricity on it's own, wilting hair, heat/cold sensations, massive involuntary bodily jerking motions, severe cognitive imparement in a 'brain fog'

all of which.
ALL of which...

are symptoms of the millenia old reported 'kundalini awakening'
link - Kundalini Symptoms
link - Google Search for you

Marciniak's information is about the only channeled stuff that I halfway trust, and I know enough about her to assure you that she's not getting it from the CIA. Using this excerpt of dialog she channeled 20 years ago to draw this association is really a stretch.

In this I agree with you...the fact that you can draw these kinds of conclusions and get no reaction does say nothing (good) about this forum.

2012 DNA shift = Morgellons.
morgellons = an ugly name for kundalini on steroids, humanity's metamorphosis.

nobody said it was gonna be all pretty flowers and rainbows, at least in it's initial onset...

skeptically ask a caterpillar how it feels when in it's pupae..ask it what the hell is it doing in there.... I'm sure if it could talk it'd be like

"uuggg leave me ALONE man! I feel like **** and I look like a monster and I'm busy changing my entire physiology so why don't you go hypothesize about what's happening to me while I change and you don't.. and you can come to whatever self righteous conclusions you have, without actually experiencing it... and when I'm done, I'll fly off with beautiful glory while you stare with your jaw hanging open."

I'm saying the thought is that kundalini has a large part to do in the metamorphic change.
Whether something like a virus is causing people to produce the fibers, or the fibers are being accquired from the environment has yet to be seen.. chemtrails point to that conclusion.
either way, the kundalini symptoms are present, and they're in overdrive.

many morgellons people have no Idea what kundalini even is.
or if they do, it's from like, two paragraphs they read about it on the internet.
the general lowbrow approach is that it is something native to Hinduism, whereas the truth is the exact opposite, as it has identical paralells in the Christian Holy Spirit, the Feathered Serpent of Central American Tribal Gods , Barakah of Islamic Sufism, The Uraeus of Egyptian Mythology, Caduceus of Greek Mythology etc..
It's basically a physiological energy that is triggered and causes a metamorphosis of psychological and physical change.
We're seeing it in overload now.

I could write more on it, but i'll save that pleasure for the person making the movie on it. More people need to catch on to what the hell is actually happening, instead of blindly believing every sensational word spread through the fear-filled doomsday alternative media, hell, the sensationalized fear filled creepiness of the mainstream media even.

here's a trailer of that movie actually..



peaces

There's a lot of information on voice to skull technology on this older thread, including the letter (below):
Are you a victim of Voice2Skull technology?
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8620

Also, I think a similar kind of impairment technology has been used since the 1980s on the unsuspecting public, ca Greenham Common no nuke days.
http://www.geocities.com/adrian9999999999/greenham.htm
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Psychotronic Weapons Letter To Senate Committee

(The following letter is alarming and vital to the understanding of how far the issue of psychotronic weapons and projects aimed at controlling American citizens and people everywhere has progressed. This letter is dated February 9, 1994. The organization involved is no longer available at this address below. Ms. McKinney is said to be occupying a much lower profile these days. Nevertheless, this is an important document to consider)

Association of National Security Alumni Electronic
Surveillance Project P. O. Box 13625
Silver Spring, MD 20911-3625


February 9, 1994

Chairman John Glenn
Senate Committee on Governmental Affairs
340 Dirkson Senate Office Building
Washington, D.C. 20510

Attention: Mr. Chris Kline

Subject: Involuntary Human Experimentation with Non-Ionizing Radiation

Dear Mr. Kline:

Senator Glenn's publicly-expressed outrage that this government has (once again) been found to be engaging in brutal forms of involuntary human experimentation, and his demand, in effect, that any and all forms of this type of experimentation be exposed was heartening.

A large and growing number of people in this country hope that the Senator's expressed outrage was sincere, and that your Committee's investigations are not simply a means of diverting attention from complaints centering on this government's long-term role in involuntary human experiments with non-ionizing forms of radiation.

Now that the Departments of Defense, Energy and Justice have openly admitted that directed-energy weapons systems do indeed exist, complaints of experimentation with these systems can no longer be ignored.

As stated to you during our telephone conversation last week, this Project is focused on complaints concerning experiments with non-ionizing, so-called "non-lethal," directed- energy weapons, surveillance and psychotronics systems. In bringing this to your attention, I am representing the interests, currently, of some 100 U.S. citizens, who are the subjects of both vicious forms of overt harassment and concurrent directed-energy harassment.

The enclosed copy of Microwave Harassment and Mind-Control Experimentation is a preliminary investigative finding, only. The accompanying Supplement furnishes an update on the current status of this Project.

I am also enclosing copies of letters exchanged with, and directed to the Department of Defense, the Department of Justice, and the Food & Drug Administration, which are self-explanatory. I am also enclosing copies of two articles concerning John Alexander, of the Los Alamos National Laboratory's Nonlethal Weapons Division, which I will address below. Also enclosed is a letter to a woman in contact with this Project which addresses some of the effects of long-term exposure to these so-called "non-lethal" systems. Just as a matter of interest--DoD-sponsored "hy'e" in the media to the contrary notwithstanding--non-lethal weapons systems can be incredibly lethal.

They are not gentle systems, as this government would like for the public to believe. Questions which need to be asked by the Committee on Government Affairs, as a preliminary, are as follows:

1. By what formal means are U.S. Government agencies, to include the

Department of Defense, prevented from testing "non-lethal", directed-energy weapons, surveillance and psychotronics systems on U.S. citizens under involuntary circumstances?

2. By what formal means are U.S. Government contractors and sub-contractors prevented from testing "non- lethal", directed-energy weapons, surveillance and psychotronics systems on U.S. citizens under involuntary circumstances?

3. Why does the Energy Policy Act of 1992 fail to prohibit involuntary human experimentation with non-ionizing forms of radiation?

4. How many members of Congress and of the Administration have investments in firms which are engaged in the development and testing of directed-energy systems?

5. Why is Los Alamos National Laboratory, a Department of Energy agency, engaged in the development of "non-lethal", directed-energy systems?

6. Why is John Alexander--a 30-year US Army Special Forces veteran with a long-term interest in the "psychotronics" (mind-control) aspects of directed-energy systems-- regarded as being particularly qualified to direct the Non-Lethal Systems Division of Los Alamos National Laboratory?

7. Why is the Department of Energy (and John Alexander in particular) in the business of promoting "non- lethal" systems as tools for law enforcement, and as weapons systems for the military?

8. Why are these "non-lethal" systems being kept classified?

9. Where is the test data on the efficacy of these directed-energy weapons, surveillance and psychotronics systems being obtained, and who in Congress, specifically, is overseeing those experiments?

10. Why is the Department of Defense pushing for an increase in the numbers of Ground Wave Emergency Network (GWEN) towers in this country?

11. How many satellites launched under the auspices of DoD, the National Reconnaissance Office, and the Central Intelligence Agency are engaged in the surveillance of U.S. citizens" And how many of those satellites qualify as directed-energy emitters; i.e., as "amplified communications" satellites?

12. What federal constraints have been placed on the construction of microwave towers and other antennae arrays in this country; and what assurances do U.S. citizens have that emissions from those towers and antennae arrays are not being used for involuntary human experimental purposes?

14. Who in Congress is overseeing the construction and use of microwave towers and antennae arrays in this country?

15. Why is it that complaints by U.S. citizens concerning directed-energy harassment and experimentation are being ignored?

16. Since Ms. .Susan Patrick Ford, of the Department of Defense, appears to be unable to answer the questions posed in my letter to her dated November 18, 1993, can you answer these questions?

In sum, Mr. Kline, this is a problem which Congress can ill afford to ignore. There are many angry people in this country who are fed up with these experiments. (Not all experimentees are kept effectively isolated.) A number of experimentees recognize the rapidly burgeoning numbers of microwave towers and antennae arrays in this country are a part of the problem--a level of recognition which, indeed, may have prompted the destruction of two major "communications towers" in Chiapas, Mexico, shortly prior to that government's decision to close the borders to that state.

A lawless government spawns a lawlessness, generally. It is apparent to me that this country is merely "testing its wings", so to speak, where lawlessness and chaos, at this stage, is concerned. Creating more prisons and hiring more police is not the solution.

The U.S. Congress--and Senator Glenn's Committee, in particular,--is in a position to ensure that no government agency, surrogate or otherwise, has a license to run rampant over the human and civil rights of citizens of this country, and that this government, once again, learns to adhere to the principles which were the basis for this country's creation.

Please do let me hear from you concerning the foregoing.

Sincerely,

JULIANNE MCKINNEY

Director, Electronic Surveillance Project

http://www.raven1.net/mck2glen.htm

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Anomaly

I could write more on it, but i'll save that pleasure for the person making the movie on it. More people need to catch on to what the hell is actually happening, instead of blindly believing every sensational word spread through the fear-filled doomsday alternative media, hell, the sensationalized fear filled creepiness of the mainstream media even.

OK, Anomaly....thanks for all the info. For some reason I've pretty much ignored most of the Morgellans stories up until now. I read through a couple of the straightforward Morgellans sites, and I'm having serious doubts about the connection you're making here, but it's an interesting twist to say the least. There would be a stronger case if anyone with Morgellans was actually awakening instead of just suffering. The worst of it is physicians and researchers calling the victims psychotic because they can't figure out what's wrong with them.

Originally Posted by no caste

There's a lot of information on voice to skull technology...

I don't doubt that this technology is out there or that it's being used, but it's not an explanation for the phenomena of channeling and it's nowhere near an explanation for Marciniak's Pleiadians...or the information they've presented.

Originally Posted by Anomaly

how the hell do you embedd youtube videos on this site??

Good luck with that Anomaly, you're lucky you were able to get away with using the word "hell".

[Anomaly]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

OK, Anomaly....thanks for all the info. For some reason I've pretty much ignored most of the Morgellans stories up until now. I read through a couple of the straightforward Morgellans sites, and I'm have serious doubts about the connection you're making here, but it's an interesting twist to say the least.

there is no 'twist' here. it's not a personal opinion. I'm taking facts and comprehensively comparing them in an analytic fashion, and peppering it with my own commentary on the logical conclusions that any rational individual would come to, after fully researching the subject at hand.

saying it's a 'twist' on the phenomena.. is like saying literally...
"he's trying to put a spin on it where it is exactly what it was 5000 years ago."
whereas kundalini awakening has a set of symptoms, and people experiencing those symptoms, who don't know what kundalini is, made up a new name for it, and someone saying that it is a 'twist' is like saying "oh that's clever how you actually are telling people what it originally was called before it was renamed"

it's like someone being 'curiously bemused' that someone would ever explain the common Dog, as a "Canis familiaris domesticus"

like they'd say "ooooh you've got an unusual spin on that 'Dog' concept there buddy.. heh.. well I don't know about THAT *chuckle*"


note: the people calling this thing the 1600's black-hairs on the back disease spell it 'morgellons' (not 'morgellans' with an 'a')
it's named after the area of France where it was reported: "Morgellons" which was at the time pronounced "Mor-jell-ee-ons" but is now pronounced "morg-el-ons" ("morg" as in a hard "G" as in "the morgue" where people go when they're dead.

I'm not picking on a typo.. we all have them, I'm just saying, if you were doing research on a subject and actually trying to really understand it, you need to know the proper spelling in order to properly search the web for relevant information.

There would be a stronger case if anyone with Morgellans was actually awakening instead of just suffering. The worst of it is physicians and researchers calling the victims psychotic because they can't figure out what's wrong with them.

ok.. lets take a step back and look at what you're having a hard time understanding.

take the term AWAKENING as we're using it, a 'kundalini' awakening, as a spiritual awakening, resulting in a literal physiological change.

what do people usually relate a 'spiritual awakening' to?
We usually imagine: bliss, happiness, calmness, understanding, mental peace, tranquility, love, etc.. right? I mean in our current modality, we usually imagine this. We hear of people being 'born again' in church, or 'reaching enlightenment', or Brahma-Nirvana, illumination etc..

this is all good and well, under certain circumstances.

circumstances being, that you were expecting this new modality, this new frame of thought, and the resultant physiological changes within your body.
If, prior to your awakening, you wereFULLY informed and educated on ALL the physiological and mental/emotional changes that were to take place upon this enlightenment, this 'kundalini awakening' and were financially, mentally, emotionally and most importantly, physically prepared for the changes, then no doubt, with the help of educated and experienced gurus or spiritual leaders, you would find yourself walking that bumpy transformative road with considerably less trauma, confusion, and frustration, than you would have if you HADN'T been prepared on all of those levels.

If you were under full awareness of the physiological changes that occur in the later stages of the kundalini transformation, as written by the Hindu Saint, Sant Dyanashwari, then you would have not been surprised as your body took these major steps through the metamorphic process, as you went through them.

You'd have prepared yourself financially, taking some years off of work, knowing that through this transformation, you wouldn't be able to function at a profession that demanded a significant amount of cognitive effort, because you knew that during the transformation, there exists the physiological changes in the nervous system, and brain, resulting in unpredictable and frequent periods of 'nirvana' or 'thoughtlessness' or what is being termed through the 'morgellons' perception of this as 'brain-fog'.

This nirvana or thoughtlessness, is an actual goal of meditators and spiritual aspirants during deep meditation.

Yet when unexpectedly experienced unwantingly, during a high stress job situation, is interpreted as the complete opposite, an obstacle in your efforts of doing your job, and perceived as 'brain-fog', literally a complete 'blank moment' where you don't remember what you were just doing, and what you were about to do. No past, no future.. pure NOW

If an entirely new body was growing underneath the surface of your existing body, and the kundalini energy was flowing through your Nadi pathways, connecting your chakras, and you were entirely unaware of the knowledge of what this was, and by only being knowledgeable with the pathetic excuse for an education of the current western educational system, then there's a high likelihood that neither you or your doctors would have any realistic frame of reference to compare this change to, let alone, understand it.


So

Place Patient A in an environment where they are taken care of and helped by knowledgeable people who understand this, and inform the patient beforehand as to everything about this kundalini/christ energy, and they go through the physical growing pains smoothly, with the aid of the proper time tested ancient ointments like:
myrrh, (eucharist annointment oil known for it's anti-inflammitory effects) frankincense (known for it's calming effects) and rue, (known for it's anti-spasmotic effects, ceasing muscle spasms) ....
...and they go through the emotional/spiritual changes with as best aid and from other wise and compassionate leaders as possible.

BUT...

Place Patient B in an environment where they and everyone around them are completely uneducated in the matter, having ZERO knowledge of the metamorphic process at hand...

and you have a recipe for absolute physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual suffering.

zero medical help from skeptical and money-addicted doctors...
the vast majority of whom, will not even look at what's going on...
the select few who do look, completely unaware of kundalini transformation,
or if they are informed, it is to a very slight degree, based on modern new-agey rumors and descriptions of the modern commercially advertised superficial aspects of kundalini ie: "kundalini yoga" etc..
never going back into ancient scripture and understanding the actual PHYSICAL changes that occur in it's advanced stages.

so along with the recipe of absolute suffering...
...you also have the recipe for a potentially revolutionary expansion of awareness of an entire culture based on skepticism and greed.
IF the men at the TOP of the religious and medical organizations of the current modern world recognize the actuality of this stage of human evolution,

believe it or NOT...
there are 2 entirely different camps of understanding surrounding these specific "set of symptoms"...


understand.... that there are TWO groups of people in this world experiencing the exact same symptoms.

one group researches their symptoms at the onset, using say, google..
and by the luck of the draw comes across kundalini forums discussing how to get through the twitching, vibrations, magnetic and electrical sensations, psychological changes, chakra sensations.. , seeing light flashes, hearing buzzing and exacerbated tinnitus, skin changes, massive bodily detoxification as toxins are pushed out of the skin (black specs)

so they talk with people that know how to deal with it.. and they get through it with help from those people. gurus that are completely knowledgeable on kundalini awakenings... etc.. and they follow that path.

never once perceiving the "crawling sensations" as a parasite.
and therefore never once having the need or desire to reach for a microscope, to discover the fibers.
never once thinking it's a worm in their head, never once clawing their flesh away in a desperate attempt to relieve themselves of "whatever is in them"
taking the proper ancient remedies that relive the overstimulation, and itching.

now..
the other group by the un-luck of the draw of their search query string in a search engine, come across morgellons boards and join the thousands of people of the 'belief' of it's nightmarish depiction.. the horrid abominable perception of what it is. sucked in like a whirlwind vortex into desperation, malady and for many, death.
thinking the crawling is a worm... or parasite or bug.. clawing their skin away.. buying expensive microscopes to put their scabs and bodily fluids and waste under in order to somehow comprehend "what is in them"
thus all the sensationalized media focus on "the gooey bloody morgs" on youtube videos etc..

all a point of reference.. all based on INFORMATION.. all just two separate perceptions of the same phenomena.
one educated to a certain extent on the actuality of the phenomena...
the other completely ignorant of it.

both camps actually know very little of even the existence of one another.

I don't doubt that this technology is out there or that it's being used, but it's not an explanation for the phenomena of channeling and it's nowhere near an explanation for Marciniak's Pleiadians...or the information they've presented.

if you had no idea of what sound-to-skull technology was...
and you heard voices in your head telling you they were from a distant planet, and they spoke in beautiful compassionate ways, about knowledge that was making sense to your current belief system, then how could you distinguish what you were experiencing as anything other than "channeling?"

if you were completely aware of sound-to-skull technology was..
and you began to hear voices in your head, there's a strong likelyhood that logic would point you to the conclusion that it's most likely sound-to-skull technology.

see... (the simplest answer is probably the correct answer).. Occam's razor... works, but only according to your current frame of reference, and understanding.
occams razor works based off of your currently available information.

this all goes part and parcel with knowing about kundalini before it happens to you.
if you don't know what kundalini is and it happens to you throghtraditional means or other methods... you're gonna go nuts and make up a name for it. it's just that simple.

i you know about sound-to-skull technology.. or telepathy.. and it happens to you.. then you're cool.
if you DONT know what those are... then you're a crazy person that "hears voices"
(the voices tell me to do bad things mommy) etc...

OR .. you're a channeller.

sound-to-skull technology IS channeling.
channeling IS sound -to -skull.
you could call it sound-to-skull channeling for that matter.
anyone channeling comprehensive information to someone else's brain, would use sound-to-skull technology, or an equivalent method that communicates decipherable language directly to one's brain.

imagine an entire civilization that uses the advanced biological evolutionary technology of their brains to communicate telepathically...
do they even have a need for the term "chanelling"? it's the same thing as them talking to one another.

so the real question is :
was it a human governmental agency using that technology to channel information to her?
or was it extraterrestrial (possibly human extraterrestrial) individuals using that technology to channel information to her?

either way.. the information she was given in 92, is happening in people's bodies and minds NOW and has been since around 2001, when an old name for a disease in the 1600's that was described as huge black hairs coming out of sick coughing children's backs was put on the changing bodies of current people.

Marciniak reported filaments on and in the body transforming the body physically as the spirit developed within, to a higher level of consciousness, accompanied with tiny nan-shapes that worked with the fibers.

you see the exact same thing happening 10 years after she was given the information.

whether it was earthly humans or extraterrestrial humans that gave her the information doesn't really matter when you think about it..

it's the fact that she began to present the concept to people so that when it happened.. (NOW) .. people would have a FRAME OF REFERENCE at least, to begin to understand it.

do your research and you find that not only are there fibers and nano-shapes... and "new nerves" like she says..
but the people also experience all of these very unique set of symptoms found nowhere else, except for the kundalini awakening symptoms, which correspond with the nadi nervous system and the chakras.

Whether Barbara Marciniak agrees with what's presented in that video or not, is irrelevant. Isn't the whole point of channeling information, to be as UNBIASED and UNOPINIONATED as possible? I mean that's what discerns the actuality of whether it's CHANNELLED or not right??? whether it's coming from someone outside of you, or if it's coming from your OWN mind, and opinions.

so her opinion on the matter is irrelevant.

if we ARE to take the stance that the information that WE received THROUGH HER .. FROM someone ELSE... as cannon... as complete truth..

...then we know what to look for when looking for the signs of 2012 DNA shift right?
we know to look for instances where people report filaments ON and IN their skin, accompanied by tiny shapes.
we know to look for signs of spiritual changes that have to do with the chakras and nadis, and a new nervous system..
this is what the information says.

so when we see those thigns... filaments on and IN people's skin.... tiny shapes in and on their skin..
and all of the age -old symptoms of chakra openings, kundalini spiritual awakenings...

we see all those thing sin what's uglyishly labelled as 'morgellons' ... we see all those things..
but somehow we cannot .. for the life of us.. see that that's exactly what she described it as.

we're somehow supposed to wait until ANOTHER situation arises.. where people experience filaments on and in their skin, tiny nano-shapes in and on their skin, spiritual awakening symptoms...
we're supposed to wait for another manefestation of that that is some how the same but presented in a way that somehow is easier for use to identify it as such?

could someone please explain to me how Marciniak's information about the signs of the change... would be presented to us in a way that is in any way different than what we're seeing in 'morgellons' ??? I mean go for it.. get imaginative.. just don't deviate from what the Marciniak information says.

we're supposed to wait for something identical to morgellons.. but somehow.. prettier...? .... I don't get it.

It's in front of our freaking faces.



anyway...

when you wake up out of a long sleep, some people feel refreshed.
when you wake up out of a long sleep abruptly...
some people are VERY GROGGY..

a spiritual awakening is not all flowery and blissful 100% of the time...
especially when you live in a world where this type of thing is not taken seriously
and the LITERAL physical transformation involved, spoken of i Hindu religious scripture is UNHEARD of in the west.

now .. on the fibers.. whether these are produced by the body to PERFORM the change, or accumulated from the environment from chemtrail spraying, or BOTH, i don't know.. more study needs to go into this.

maybe since we are passing through the galactic plane approaching 2012, we encounter more and more of this material in space, and as we discover this, we are led to believe the opposite, that it is being purposefully sprayed on us, as part of an evil plan, completely reversing our perspective on it in the first place?
someone else trying to take responsibility, or make us suspect they are perpetrating it, so that the truth of the phenomena and it's origin is completely obscured based on our initial conclusions we are presented with to form our collective basis of thought on it as?
there's that "photon belt" theory, that we pass through a certain mass of substance or energy at 2012, that changes our DNA..
you think that process is going to be pretty?
if it is real, then you think the mainstream news is going to present you happily with all the facts, just like they happily present you with all the 'facts' about UFOs, alien presence, origin of mankind, etc?
Or are you going to be presented with a scary and confusing prospect, so that you have only that information to use in your pondering of the subject?
Or your current understanding of the subject is only biased by mainstream thought, OR grassroots 'research' on the subject?

New-Age ideas about the DNA shift are there. It's a centerpiece of the whole ascendancy concept.
you think it's going to be pretty?
maybe it would be if we actually understood the change before it started to happen.

is what a caterpillar turning into a butterfly "pretty" while in a cocoon?
is a tadpole with consciousness who's growing legs and loosing it's tail looked upon as a monster by fellow tadpoles who have not begun the transformation process yet?
do hypothetically conscious 'tadpoles' worship frogs, and have no idea that they're going to one day turn into one?

if the new age culture actually honestly believes in their heart that human beings will ascend into a new level of consciousness, of perception, then they have to consider the fact that with new consciousness, and perception, there needs to exist the literal biological technology behind obtaining that perception.

we use our eyes to see, our ears to hear, our skin to touch our brain to perceive these sensations of what we can understand as reality.

to literally SEE MORE, we need new eyes, to HEAR MORE we need enhanced ears, same goes with skin, nerves, and the core of our perception, the brain.
it's not going to magically happen with the current 'hardware' we have in these human bodies.
I'm not talking about man-made borg-like 'band-aid' primitive clumsy "additional prosthetic cyborg enhancements"... sure those ideas have arisen due to our imagination and technological prowess, and discussed at length in scientific reports and modern entertainment, so we "get the idea"...
...but there already lies within us the latent potential of biological technology that allows us to perceive the absolute.
This is 'kundalini technology' this is the 'krystos', the unlocking of the what, 90% of DNA that our current public is told that is 'latent' or 'inactive' ? this insultingly labeled 'junk' DNA?

you think that the truth about that DNA is supposedly going to be released to the public just like all of Tesla's technology was? just like all that recovered UFO technology was?

if you understand predictive programming, and understand why specific Hollywood productions hint at or blatantly present before you, what's really happening, in works of what we call 'fiction'.. then question why the modern mythology of super heroes is so commonly shoved into our collective consciousness.

would one presume that people with unlocked DNA, who have passed fully through the transformative process, the metamorphosis into the "REAL ADULT" version of the human body (as opposed to it's NYMPH stage = our current bodies) ..
would one presume that those who have achieved this, would be only capable of feats that we can currently achieve, be they athletic, mental, spiritual?

One can only imagine what Jesus or Krishna or Mohammad or Buddha were actually capable of.

Yogis speak of kundalini awakening in it's fullest sense, as granting abilities like pure communication ie: telepathy.. (speaking in tongues)
telekinesis - moving inanimate objects with one's mind.
levitation - defying gravity as Jesus did while walking on water, or Dyanashwari and his brothers did as they levitated a stone wall.
healing the sick.. as Jesus did,(possibly through some nervous-system harmonization of biological energies that harmonize with the sick person's cells promoting their cells to re-align into a modality of their rightful operation, as opposed to their misaligned "sickly" malfunctioning operation.

I'm not accusatory in the powers that be repressing this information, in that they desire people to remain in suffering for eternity.
I'm more of the thought that in order for us to experience this change, we have to personally understand it on our own level, through our own research, through grassroots communication and exchange of learning about it.

What I mean is that, like with anything that is personally experienced to it's fullest extent, in order to derive the most rich meaning from the process, one has to experience it for themselves, an not be force fed a dish of pre-perscribed and possibly agenda-biased info about the most important information you'd ever know.

governments can discover and allocate all such information, but the method of it's dissemination, is through personal challenge and personal discovery.. not hand-fed baby-spooning.
It's not something you get to hold your parents hand through.

It's tough and ugly and lonely, and rough with suffering, and that's what makes the end result so rewarding.

This is not to psychotically say "oooh yeaah suffering is GOOOOD .. you neeed it to experience happy flowery blisss"
This is to say that there IS going to be suffering during a paradigm shift such as this, and it needs to be expected, especially when there is so little understanding on the common level about it.

The suffering related to what's currently being termed 'morgellons' is 99.9% caused by other people.
The philosopher Sartre once wrote that "Hell is other people"
This is quite literally the profound truth considering this situation.

The majority of suffering involved in this is emotional hurt, sadness and absolute depression, mental confusion, anguish and frustration, directly caused by other people who do not understand the situation.
Family members, friends, spouses, all viewing the sufferer's behavior in their reaction to what they're going through as neurotic, delusional and paranoid... generally falling into a "mentally ill psychosis" conclusion.
This leads these people into isolation, relationship dissolution, joblessness.. (yes even before this economic meltdown hit.)
And I'm not talking about your average "relationship breakup" type thing that happens to millions of people daily.
I'm talking about long term relationships falling apart, fathers and mothers completely disassociating themselves from the sufferer.
Life long friends that these people have grown up with and spent almost every day of their life with....backing away and leaving their friendship.


COMPLETE SUFFERING... all based on what?

INFORMATION. (or lack thereof)

so compounding the spiritual and emotional changes that are taking place, the deep seeded emotions from past trauma, rising to the surface from this kundalini process, the muscle-memory of physical injury rising and circulating once again before it leaves...
on top of that.. you have not aid by your fellow man...
but complete neglect and punishment.

But enough time has gone by, enough suffering has been experienced.
People are killing themselves by the hundreds because of lack of truthful information on the subject.
All of the information out there on the subject that's been circulating is abhorrent, grisly and nightmarish, and for one suffering through it, that information obviously amplifies the psychological perception of the phenomena into that which one can only imagine as absolutely unbearable.

If an entire species is to go through this transformation, then there is going to be a select few who are part of a 'first wave' of this.
Their experience will be like no others, because they are met with ignorance, suppression, skepticism of the highest degree, and worst of all...

NEGLECT.

I would think, if we are of right mind and heart, that once we begin to understand all of this, it's connection to religion, it's ultimate manifestation, that we begin to aid in it's occurrence, instead of lethargically pass it by as some strange thing that we don't know much about, even though it has exact parallels to everything we've been hoping to see happen to us.

How can we, as loving individuals who hope for our ascendance out of this confusing and dark world full of suffering and inequity, how can we, as people that want this to happen, let this go on, watching the first of our kind go through the changing process, and ignorantly squabble about it, while they die?

Our species is changing, and we look at it like a disease, and we look at it as crazy people.

If you began to change, and the mental effects during it caused you to not be able to work, would you want others that know about it to help you?

If you began to change and the physical symptoms caused you to have so much pain and anguish that you couldn't deal with even daily chores, would you not want people to understand and help you through it, instead of just seeing you on TV crying out for help?

put yourself in their shoes.. the first among us changing...

and we waste idle time while we could be putting together funding, and facilities for them to go to...and hiring the most knowledgeable on the subject to be with them 24/7 during their change.

I for one am going to put my time and energy into making such a thing exist.
I hope you join me.

As loving spiritual people, we do not just watch our own kind suffer on television, being thankful of the fact that "that's not me".

we should see them with kind eyes and think " if that WERE me".. I would want someone to help me.

and modern medicine has completely proven 100% for almost an entire DECADE now.. that they are completely incompetent in aiding these people.

so we no longer have that crutch of thinking where we can say "well it just needs to be studied more, it's ok we can wait"...
I'm sorry but that is just not acceptable.
Especially for those who are going through the most horrible thing imaginable: changing into a higher level of human, without knowing that's what's happening, and without anybody helping them in any way let alone.. the proper way.

Imagine what the world would be like for us if they fully changed.
Imagine how they could improve the world for those who haven't changed.
Imagine how they could help US to change.

If we want them to help us when we change, we had better start helping them change first.

I wouldn't want to be on the butt-end of a ******-off evolved human who was mocked and laughed at while they changed, while friends of theirs that were changing died around them... while nobody helped.

You think an enlightened being might not feel wrath for injustice and inequity around them?

I don't know about that. Do enlightened transformed humans just sit in the middle of a battlefield ...invulnerable to death, and just watch everything happen around them? all the torture and suffering?

Or do they take action and correct what they see around them?

I'd be wary about where you sit when these people fully change.

Did you help them when they were crying out for help?


This is not to sway a bunch of blind believers into thinking "oo yeaaa we're gonna have super humans around us so we better be nice to them or they will hurt us"

This is to understand the very real nature of human transformation, and the coming explosion of what we've termed as 'supernatural phenomena' on the horizon.

This is the meat of the matter many of us have been waiting for.

If you look forward to the ascensionary DNA change and higher consciousness and all that is written in ancient scripture about what we're posed to change into... then understand the literal and actual reality of it, what to look for as signs of it's manifestation in order to recognize it, get past your disbelief, and discern how you can be of help, because if not out of mutual compassion in helping, then out of self interest, because you'll want the help if and when you go through it.

I recommend the former... mutual compassion. but that's just me.. I'm weird like that. :P

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Anomaly

.
saying it's a 'twist' on the phenomena...

Excuse me, I did not mean it in a disparaging way. I don't know who you are or anything that you know. Tango left some cryptic information in his obtuse yet overbearing manner, then you added more "google kundalini symptoms" instructions. Sorry, but I did not see the "Comprehensive Theory on Morgellons and Kundalini" in those links and I have no way of reading either of your minds. I'm fairly deep into web woo-hoo and this is new to me, so it must be new to a lot of other people as well. I'd suggest, to both of you, that you first present your hypothesis, then get comments rather than the other way around. Either that, or try not to be so offended with the reactions you receive.

Originally Posted by Anomaly

I'm not picking on a typo...

yes you are

Originally Posted by Anomaly

take the term AWAKENING as we're using it, a 'kundalini' awakening, as a spiritual awakening, resulting in a literal physiological change.

I would not expect 'awakening' to be "brain fog", but rather clarity...at least eventually.

Originally Posted by Anomaly

Place Patient A in an environment where they are taken care of and helped by knowledgeable people who understand this, and inform the patient beforehand as to everything about this kundalini/christ energy, and they go through the physical growing pains smoothly, with the aid of the proper time tested ancient ointments like:
myrrh, (eucharist annointment oil known for it's anti-inflammitory effects) frankincense (known for it's calming effects) and rue, (known for it's anti-spasmotic effects, ceasing muscle spasms) ....
...and they go through the emotional/spiritual changes with as best aid and from other wise and compassionate leaders as possible.


one group researches their symptoms at the onset, using say, google..
and by the luck of the draw comes across kundalini forums discussing how to get through the twitching, vibrations, magnetic and electrical sensations, psychological changes, chakra sensations..

Do you have links to these forums? That would be better than the broad search links you posted.

Anomaly, I get what you're say here, but you did not address my question, you turned into one of semantics. Let me rephrase it: Who has gone through this alleged Morgellons/Kundalini transformation and what is their condition now? Are they healthy and beyond "brain fog" and the physical symptoms? Where is the evidence, beyond these conjectures that this unpleasant condition is the onset of a human evolutionary change?

I'm far from being a die hard skeptic. I try not to limit myself to belief or disbelief, but you have not made a case, only a theory without much to back it up. If you guys want to sell this on a public forum, it's up to you to present the evidence, not for the rest of us to research it ourselves.

Originally Posted by Anomaly

if you had no idea of what sound-to-skull technology was...
and you heard voices in your head telling you they were from a distant planet, and they spoke in beautiful compassionate ways, about knowledge that was making sense to your current belief system, then how could you distinguish what you were experiencing as anything other than "channeling?"

so the real question is :
was it a human governmental agency using that technology to channel information to her?
or was it extraterrestrial (possibly human extraterrestrial) individuals using that technology to channel information to her.

No, that is not the "real" question. Yes this technology is present. Yes the CIA is using it. So what? You don't know my "current frame of reference". By yours it seems that interdimensional communication is impossible so there must be a material plane answer...therefore your razor is different from mine. By my measure your conclusion is not the simplest, it is simply the easiest one that fits into your paradigm.

I've been with Marciniak when she was channeling. It's as if she has an open circuit to some other intelligence, not just when she'd performing, but all the time. One of the reasons I respect her is because of all the channelers, she seems to have been able to detach from the source of the communications and keep herself, herself. Also the information she's presented, at least at the time of the presentation, was far more expansive than almost anything else that was available.

Not that I'm into it, but do you suppose that the Urantia Book was written by the CIA and delivered by brain to skull technology? You can't just write off the sources of all channeled information this easily.

I'm not such a hard sell, but you have presented a volume of opinion and conjecture and very little evidence here. When you're discussing this kind of far flung material and then get out Occam's Razor to make your point, you lose me.

Originally Posted by Anomaly

could someone please explain to me how Marciniak's information about the signs of the change... would be presented to us in a way that is in any way different than what we're seeing in 'morgellons' ??? I mean go for it.. get imaginative.. just don't deviate from what the Marciniak information says.

I've never envisioned the "light encoded filaments" as Morgellons. Perhaps it's a fit, but maybe not. I would be interested on her take on this, because I'd assume that she has intuition to go along with it. It does matter what she thinks about it, because she felt the meaning while she spoke those words.

I'm not sure what's going on here in this thread, but it seems like some kind of set up. Tango drops in his vague suggestions, and when they're questioned, you hammer it home with a rant. That you're convinced of your theory is clear, but the evidence to back it up...while it may be there, has not been presented. No links, no documentation, no quotes from newly evolved survivors, just a whole lot about how sure you are that your conclusions are the only ones possible.

I wasn't the one who brought up the CIA, but this seems more like a psy-op than a discussion.

[Anomaly]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

I would not expect 'awakening' to be "brain fog", but rather clarity...at least eventually.


Do you have links to these forums? That would be better than the broad search links you posted.

http://www.kundalini-support.com/forum/read.php?2,82
http://www.kundalinisupport.com/supportforum.html
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=1017
http://www.kundalini-support.com/forum/list.php?2
http://www.yogaforums.com/forums/sho...47&postcount=7
http://www.yogaforums.com/forums/sho...65&postcount=7
http://www.aypsite.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2146
http://www.kundalinisupport.com/symptoms.html
http://gnosticteachings.org/forum/in...hreaded&start=
http://kundalini1.ning.com/forum

kundalini awakening personal stories -
http://www.siddhashram.org/e199404k.shtml
[/quote]

Who has gone through this alleged Morgellons/Kundalini transformation and what is their condition now? Are they healthy and beyond "brain fog" and the physical symptoms? Where is the evidence, beyond these conjectures that this unpleasant condition is the onset of a human evolutionary change?

If you guys want to sell this on a public forum, it's up to you to present the evidence, not for the rest of us to research it ourselves.

I think you're just really freaking lazy and you don't want to add anything constructive to this conversation, you just want to sit there and be entertained or educated without doing your own searches in order to benefit yourself and others. It's just like you're like "nnnno. uh-uh. gimme."

That you're convinced of your theory is clear, but the evidence to back it up...while it may be there, has not been presented. No links, no documentation, no quotes from newly evolved survivors, just a whole lot about how sure you are that your conclusions are the only ones possible.

well here is some info for you.


Inner Seed Of Human Evolution

PROPOSAL FOR A SCIENTIFIC INVESTIGATION INTO THE BIOLOGICAL MECHANISM BEHIND HUMAN EVOLUTION

A New Human Body (a lady's transformational experience currently updated monthly)

Kundalini - The Divine Possibilities in Man


I'm not trying to sell anything. Even an idea. I'm not here to convince you.
I'm here to discuss it with other people.
To discuss the apparent arising of mass kundalini awakenings through some sort of biological trigger. Primarily in the states.
Kundalini is not 'native' to Hindu scripture but finds it's parallels in the caduceus symbolism of Greek myth's Hermes, the Egyptian Uraeus, the Snake in the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden of Eden, Moses' brazen serpent, the feathered serpent of Central American lore.. The Wyrm of Nordic lore etc etc etc...

You can let the reality of the situation pass you by, and not do your homework, and not research it on your own, or wait for that person's movie to come out and enjoy it there..

There will only be absolute tangible proof when the first people to complete the change actually do... and I don't think they will until Christmas of 2012 (3 days after the alignment on dec 22nd (not 21st).. (Christ was in the tomb for 3 days)

Until then, if you believe Marciniak's information, then what I would recommend you do, is be as spiritually, emotionally, mentally, and physically prepared for the change, if you are genetically predisposed to change in one of the first early waves of people that are changing.

Or if you're ready, you can read about how to actually purposefully unlock your kundalini through yoga, meditation and diet, and/or White Tantra orgasm-less meditative sex... (actual alchemy.. transmutation)

but i would recommend you NOT do it if you are not prepared.

You can't just write off the sources of all channeled information this easily.

I'm not saying that she wasn't channeled from aliens.
I actually HOPE that's where the information comes from.
the fact is that I don't know so I can't make my mind up about it. The information weighs favorably in my mind, on both sides equally for it to be one or the other... malevolent OR benevolent human Gov sources, or authentic compassionate aliens.

It doesn't matter to me whether that information came from CIA or aliens.
(it would definitely be cooler if it came from aliens)
What matters is if the information was given to her for a specific reason, then all I can think of is that it was given to her in order to prep people for those things to actually happen.. which it is.

I've never envisioned the "light encoded filaments" as Morgellons. Perhaps it's a fit, but maybe not.

So we wait for a different situation where filaments are on and in the skin, with tiny nano-shapes and the sensations of new nerves growing in our bodies.
One that's exactly like that.. but not called morgellons by a lady in New York.
THOSE different ones.. will be the Marciniak channeled DNA shift filaments... not these 'morgellons' ones.......that come with nano-shapes and crawling sensations and chakra opening sensations... but a different identical set of symptoms..
so we have to wait for morgellons to go away completely..
then wait for the exact same thing to come back, and hope that nobody calls it morgellons again, so that we can let it match the imagery she presents in the chanelling exactly.. like it does with morgellons.. but also be exactly to your personal imagination's depiction of it. (however deliniated from morgellons description that may be.. which should be difficult.. I don't know how you do it.)

I wasn't the one who brought up the CIA, but this seems more like a psy-op than a discussion.

the CIA doesn't only do bad things. they just get exposed for their 'bad' things more often than anything 'good' they do.

and no I don't work for the freaking CIA.
at least not to my knowledge.
maybe I am doing something unknowingly in alignment with their agenda concerning human evolution by disseminating the truth here.. .

either way... I'm not getting paid for it.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Anomaly

I think you're just really freaking lazy and you don't want to add anything constructive to this conversation, you just want to sit there and be entertained or educated without doing your own searches in order to benefit yourself and others. It's just like you're like "nnnno. uh-uh. gimme."

I will look at the links, but I don't need the ridicule. You're the one with the hypothesis, and it's for you to present the evidence, like you apparently...finally, just did. And don't tell me to do my homework, I do my homework, but it's different than yours. Everybody's is a little bit different. Then, if people are cool, there's a forum here for them visit so we can share the information.
This thing that you and Tango are doing...dropping hints and expecting people to research your fave subjects, is BS. You don't seem to want to discuss, unless that discussion revolves around an agreement to your central premise. Even this thing with the links kind of sucks. I asked you specific questions, which you answered with links. Why not just answer the questions? You had no problem filling the page with your rant.

This is not a mainstream topic, and I do know this since I go through about 15 alternative news lists a day searching for articles for a website. I'm not saying the Morgellons/kundalini connection hasn't been there, but it certainly hasn't been prominent.

Originally Posted by anomaly

So we wait for a different situation where filaments are on and in the skin, with tiny nano-shapes and the sensations of new nerves growing in our bodies.

Marciniak said nothing about filaments on or in the skin or about nano shapes. She talked about light encoded filaments, which I have always taken to be made of light, not flesh, and pertaining to the light body, though in turn affecting the physical form. Also, it seems that if her information source was as interested in informing as the Pleiadians are, they might have mentioned a side effect as debilitating as Morgellons. That would have been an important component of the story.

After I get done digesting your links, I'll respond further.

[Anomaly]

Originally Posted by sun-toon´

This thing that you and Tango are doing...dropping hints and expecting people to research your fave subjects, is BS.

I don't even know Tango.

Marciniak said nothing about filaments on or in the skin or about nano shapes. She talked about light encoded filaments, which I have always taken to be made of light, not flesh, and pertaining to the light body, though in turn affecting the physical form.

wrong. watch the video again.. that catalyst one.
she says "filaments ON the skin and corresponding filaments IN the skin (or body)"

she also says you will be implanted with a shape... then goes on and describes the specific shapes.. and the video shows pictures of the shapes that come out of people who call it 'morgellons'

Also, it seems that if her information source was as interested in informing as the Pleiadians are, they might have mentioned a side effect as debilitating as Morgellons. That would have been an important component of the story.

yes she DOES - she says something like "you will see a disease wipe across the planet that has to do with memory loss and the nervous system because some people's body's and minds will not be able to handle the change"

again.. RE-READ Marciniaks' work.. or watch the catalyst video at the beginning of this thread and listen to what she says.. she says exactly those things that you just said she doesn't say.

here.. watch it again and understand.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Anomaly

watch the video again.. that catalyst one.
she says "filaments ON the skin and corresponding filaments IN the skin (or body)"

Well, I went one step further and checked it against the text. It doesn't seem to be from Bringers of the Dawn at all, but from some other version of the same channeled information. I suspect that it's been cut and reassembled to make it work with the images, and to say what the video maker wants it say. There's nothing really wrong with that, unless it's creating a false paradigm....which is what I've been trying to discuss.

From Bringers of the Dawn:
The light-encoded filaments are a tool of light, a part of light, and an expression of light. These light encoded filaments exist as millions of fine, threadlike fibers inside your cells, while counterpart light encoded filaments exist outside of your body. The light-encoded filaments carry the Language of Light geometry, which carries the stories of who you are.
The light-encoded filaments are like rays of light that hold a geometric form of language. They come to you from a cosmic database and hold information.

Originally Posted by Anomaly

she says something like "you will see a disease wipe across the planet that has to do with memory loss and the nervous system because some people's body's and minds will not be able to handle the change"

And so you're sure that this what's happening with Morgellans? Unlucky people who aren't handling the change, instead manifest it as a disease? You can say that, it makes a certain amount of sense, but I don't think it's what Marciniak's Pleiadians were referring to when she spoke those words. In any event it's very thin evidence upon which to build your case.

Bringers of the Dawn is about many things, almost the least of which is the light encoded filaments. It seems logical to me that if the Pleiadians were predicting that the Morgellans disease would come into the world and lead to the physical and spiritual transformation of humans, that this would have taken up a larger portion of the text, or that they would have been a little clearer about it.

Originally Posted by Anomaly

here.. watch it again and understand.

Originally Posted by Tango

See they Stopped learning in school.
They want the teacher to give them the answers so they can re - gurg - itate it on a test... I'm sorry this happened.

OMG...do the two of you have to be so condescending? There are no teachers here, and that includes you Tango...maybe in particular. It's just the blind leading the blind. In that process there's no place for dogmatism, smug self-righteous posturing, or bullying.

Anomaly, I looked at your 15 links and the video. There was a lot of information on kundalini awakening, but I saw nothing tying that to Morgellans. If there is something in all that which does so, please cut it out and paste it into this thread. If you care enough to get your point across...and you cared enough to put up all the links, etc, why won't you just post one plausible piece of evidence, beyond your own assumptions and conclusions, that demonstrates this?

It would almost be better if you just came out and said "I have an intuition". At least then we'd all be on a level playing field and could actually discuss your intuition. When you present this kind of story as fact, then become dogmatic about it when someone simply asks some questions, you're doing yourself, and your worthy cause, an utter disservice.

[Moxie]

I too checked out every single link that is posted and cannot find a correlation between Morgellon's and Kundalini... not at all...
and I was sincerely taken in interest toward this. Regardless, I'm still intrigued!

And Tango, I feel strongly that you are talking to your self as well as we, your audience when you wrote:

"You pooor man.... And, THAT is WHY you don't give Answers."...[**(you mentioned that you don't give answers)...]

"They GET mad at you.... Attack you.... Do you really NEED
all the negative energy"
(you are concerned w/being judged)....
" See they Stopped learning in school.They want the teacher to give them the answers so they can re - gurg - itate it on a test... I'm sorry this happened. YOU DON'T Even KNOW ME..."
Trooly, Tango
***
Tango? You are justly OKAY, okay? You are welcomed by me to write on... I'm listening and paying attention.
nite nite... tho I'm not tired... I bid you a good nite!

What life does to people, it's not always pretty!

[Tango]

Thank you.... Happy you understand...


Dances outta Da Rooom.... [In my Mind]


Trooly,


Tango

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by Moxie

I too checked out every single link that is posted and cannot find a correlation between Morgellon's and Kundalini... not at all...
and I was sincerely taken in interest toward this. Regardless, I'm still intrigued!

I'm happy to see that I didn't just miss something obvious in those links...and I agree with Moxie, I'm also intrigued and still hoping to find out more about this. I'm not a materialist, or skeptic, but I like to have a little evidence (and not necessarily scientific) before I accept something as a statement of fact.

I was most distressed by the apparent acceptance of the assertion that all channeling is "brain to skull" transmissions, and comes from the CIA....and maybe more so (though I didn't mention it before) that the CIA is ever involved in good things. :>) OTOH, the brain to skull thing may account for at least some of the channeled crapola that we seem to be buried in these days, though how it could be much worse than what's flowing from rogue astral beings, I don't know.

solarflare: Do you have any links attributing dental sealants to Morgallans? I ran a seach, but found few results.

[Carol]

Originally Posted by Moxie

I too checked out every single link that is posted and cannot find a correlation between Morgellon's and Kundalini... not at all...
and I was sincerely taken in interest toward this. Regardless, I'm still intrigued!

And Tango, I feel strongly that you are talking to your self as well as we, your audience when you wrote:

"You pooor man.... And, THAT is WHY you don't give Answers."...[**(you mentioned that you don't give answers)...]

"They GET mad at you.... Attack you.... Do you really NEED
all the negative energy"
(you are concerned w/being judged)....
" See they Stopped learning in school.They want the teacher to give them the answers so they can re - gurg - itate it on a test... I'm sorry this happened. YOU DON'T Even KNOW ME..."
Trooly, Tango
***
Tango? You are justly OKAY, okay? You are welcomed by me to write on... I'm listening and paying attention.
nite nite... tho I'm not tired... I bid you a good nite!

What life does to people, it's not always pretty!

Aloha Moxie. I just want to say what a fabulous avatar - a dancing tree! How delightful.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Anomaly

how the hell do you embedd youtube videos on this site??

Since the recent changes to the forum. You just copy the weblink address and paste it in your post and SHAZAM! Its there, no codes, no stress.

Cheers.

[Anomaly]

Originally Posted by Luminari

Since the recent changes to the forum. You just copy the weblink address and paste it in your post and SHAZAM! Its there, no codes, no stress.

Cheers.

that's the first thing i tried.. it doesn't work for me.
I have all of these checked...

Show your signature
Automatically parse links in text
Automatically embed media (requires automatic parsing of links in text to be on).

still not working.. could you post the vid here plz? thnx

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by Anomaly

could you post the vid here plz? thnx

I tried, got this message when I clicked on your video preview link:

The URL contained a malformed video ID.

Sorry, you'l need to find it again.

[Anomaly]

Originally Posted by Luminari

I tried, got this message when I clicked on your video preview link:

The URL contained a malformed video ID.

Sorry, you'l need to find it again.

ok here it was missing a dash and an 'I'
thnx

YouTube - BACKFIRE Documentary Trailer 1

[Luminari]

YouTube - BACKFIRE Documentary Trailer 1
oh wow it really doesn't work here.

Sorry Anomaly, Ive been posting videos on the lounge thread today no problems at all. Weird.

[Tango]

I Don't give ANSWERS... You must Find Them....

Told the Kids that.... Or, Judge...... For, You will Judge Me...



Trooly,


Tango

[Tango]

You pooor man.... And, THAT is WHY you don't give Answers....

They GET mad at you.... Attack you.... Do you really NEED

all the negative energy.... See they Stopped learning in school.

They want the teacher to give them the answers so they

can re - gurg - itate it on a test... I'm sorry this happened.

YOU DON'T Even KNOW ME...


Trooly,

Tango

[solarflare]

Morgellons goes away as soon as the tooth sealants are removed from the teeth. There are three sealants that were used extensively in dentistry. These have now been banned, however, who's managing this. Probably no one. Remove all fillings and metal from your mouth and replace with diamond lite by a dentist that realizes how this will prevent problems in your health. Finding a dentist who understands this will take awhile but it's well worth it.

[Carol]

Thirty-two years ago I had a kundalini awakening following 10 years of teaching yoga and meditation. It was spontaneous and lasted for years. In no way is Morgellons related to a kundalini awakening. It is nano-technology run amuck and in the first research papers I read some were getting it from bottled water in Europe. Odd but what the article identified. These nano particles take on a life of their own and can be cured by taking a bath with Colorsafe Bleach PLUS Alfalfa tablets. Refer to the following:

http://www.loveforlife.com.au/node/4578

MORGELLON'S DISEASE - AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE???
Thu, 05/15/2008 - 00:20 — Arthur Cristian
AN INSTANT CURE FOR MORGELLON'S DISEASE???

Forwarded from Oxyplus @ yahoogroups.com Sunday, 22 April 2007, 11:09 a.m.

http://mms-central.com/MMS-stories.htm

. . the Morgellon's disease of today is a totally NEW disease. The fibers are red, blue, white and other colors. These fibers DON'T BURN AT 1400 DEGREES F !.

We now know that Morgellon's disease is caused by some kind of nanotechnology. The fibers are grown by miniature machines. Maybe they escaped from some laboratory. (See article by Dr. Hildegarde Staninger)

Have a Bath with Sun powdered laundry detergent with Colorsafe Bleach PLUS Alfalfa tablets.

These seem to combine to produce something that is lethal to the machines. This cure for Morgellon's disease was discovered by accident.

This testimonial is from the person who discovered this cure: (Daisy Baleen) Posted on Health and Healing @ Yahoogroups.com

I have been Morgellons sufferer for over ten years. Recently, I discovered, quite by accident, something that is literally making it disappear from my BODY. I have experimented with various "super baths," filling the tub with hot water and putting in things like lemons, baking soda, dish detergent, laundry detergent, alcohol, etc. Well, one day about four months ago, I was filling the bath and I was pretty dirty from housecleaning so I put some Sun powdered laundry detergent with colorsafe bleach into the water, just a tad, because it really cleans the skin.

Anyway, I left the bathroom for a minute or two and heard a crash that sounded like one of my cats getting into something. When I returned nothing seemed amiss, so I slid into the water for a soak.

Everything seemed normal until the bubbles parted, and I got the sight of a morgellons sufferers' lifetime dream: those black and grey specks MIGRATING OUT OF MY SKIN AS FAST AS THEY COULD IN DROVES BY THE HUNDREDS FROM EVERY SQUARE INCH OF MY BODY!!

And even as I saw that, I also noticed several large oblong things "dissolving" in the bottom of the tub. I picked one up, and it was an alfalfa tablet. Then I noticed the bottle on the counter next to the tub was overturned, and about 25 of them had fallen into the water! They were the cause of the migration of all things Morgellon out of my skin in a fantastic migration for about an hour!

Brown flecks, black specks, fibers, white patches of fibers drifted off the surface of my skin like No Problema, see ya later, something I had NEVER BEEN ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH WITH ANY OTHER TOPICAL AGENT.

THE MIGHTY ALFALFA HAS SINCE CONQUERED MORGELLONS IN MY BODY. The scabs are gone, the fibers are history, the patches of fibers are all taped to a piece of wax paper and about to be sent off to a research lab that has requested them."

With respect to channeling.. I don't trust it and this is based on my own experience as a channeler as well. Raylen said herself that she was a target of mind control and her book (which I purchased and read) goes into detail as to what was dictated to her during her channeling sessions over several years. I find her channeled story full of false data but do suspect she was used as a tool to help set up a new age religion. In the upper spiritual dimensions there is no sex (male or female) and there is no ego. Yet the story is written with lots of sexist ego type of behavior of supposedly very evolved spiritual beings. Ego is a third dimension necessity to deal with the challenges of this type of life experience and to learn to set aside if one wishes to travel into the higher spiritual dimensions.

What I do see is lots of misinformation sadly floating around. The key is to go inward and allow spiritual self-discovery to unfold. Through the practice of yoga (which is designed to also stimulate the chakra spiritual centers) and meditation one grows into a deeper understanding of what the real truth is.

What I will share from a personal observation... when someone hears voices - beware. God or knowing is a flash of insight and experienced as direct knowing. It is not a conversation where dialogue goes back and forth.. that is more of an ego interaction often between the conscious and unconscious mind.

When one has access to the upper spiritual dimensions information is often obtained much like the sine waves when they cross each other. It is with intention one asks the question and either spiritually positions oneself in the multiverse to obtain the answer or seeks the answer within dreamtime at the unconscious level.

As for alien interactions.. my own limited experience was telepathic and they ask the questions so quickly that the information seems more one sided going from self to ET. They have an ability to access both left and right brain hemisphere functions and pull all personal experiential information out just as if one was unreeling a film strip. They also have the ability to control various brain functions releasing serotonin creating a sense of euphoria, blocking information in or out. They can even pull up past lives. There are no secrets when one is scanned and all is revealed.

As for the DNA changes, this is already going on and I recall not to long ago one of Coast's guests speaking about how her DNA was already altered. There are new research information out with respect to children being born who never get ill and even where their blood exposed to AIDS don't get it.

As to why some DNA is already change is open to speculation. Some is just genetic evolution but I do wonder how much is alien assistance.

However, we do know that the Gamma radiation bursts from the center of the galaxy may play a roll in this as well. Meanwhile, many different Yogic Masters of the past and present have acquired numerous paranormal abilities through their spiritual practice. Telepathy, bilocation, teleportation, material manifestation, healing, transferring consciousness from one physical body to another and levitation to name a few. So with intention and hard work one can achieve DNA activation on one's own without outside help. However, one does benefit from working with a spiritual master who has already achieved these different spiritual abilities.

Just a side note.. orbs are beneficial and also enhance learning.

One other thing. When one is being scanned, the connection can go both ways. What I learned is that these ETs are also on a spiritual path and some of us here are further along then some types of ETs. The ET type that scanned me did not have access to the higher spiritual dimensions as they could not recreate the spiritual frequency I had experienced in the past on a number of occasions.

Perhaps we are all on an evolutionary spiritual path. Some further along then others. What matters is not to judge. Use discernment and avoid judgment seems to work the best.